Seeking Derangements - SD 496 - Big Back Pro

Episode Date: May 6, 2026

Hello Seekers! Ben here, today Jacques, Hesse, and I nominate our dream cast for a Rachel Dolezal biopic, discuss the new Michael Jackson movie, and hear from Jacques beautiful queen of a mother. Yes, she's making her damn debut on the podcast!

Hello, everyone, welcome to Seeking Derangements. This is the free episodes. If you like for you here, go subscribe to our Patreon for weekly bonus episodes. That's patreon.com slash seeking arrangements. Jock and Hess are here with me. Hello, DeVos. I'm here. Hello.

Hello. We're here with you. Mom, I'm not talking to you. I'm recording. Don't yell at her. Be honest to your mother. Don't yell at her. Why are you recording in your family living room?

You can't go to a bedroom? Because my internet screwed up. I told you all that twice recently. What do you mean? Why am I recording from my family living room? Are there no bedrooms at your mom's house? This is next to the modem. This is closest to the motor.

This is the most distinct internet at your house, honey. I've been trying to fix the internet. It's not some easy task like you are imagining. I don't know why you're yelling at me. Because I want to drop it. I don't want to hear about this and that. Welcome to work, Devis. Welcome to work, Diva.

Hello. Welcome to work, Dio. Hello. Hello. Well, hello. Sorry, it's not, it's not anything personal towards y'all. It's been a lot of frustrating errors. Well, it's personal when you start yelling at us.

I take full accountability, and I'm really sorry for yelling. I'm sorry. I understand. I wasn't going to say it, but I will say it. And you guys were right, and I was wrong. And I should have gotten a new computer. That's all it takes. That's all it takes, Mr. Consulate.

And I'll tell you this much, you better buy a new computer soon, because RAM processors are about to face a huge shortage, and the prices of computers are going to skyrocket. Go get a MacBook Air for like $800. I'm going buy a Backbook Pro if I can. I can't afford it. I need a Big Back Pro if you know what I'm saying. I need the biggest Mac because...

I want you all to put this into perspective. I have four terabytes on my MacBook Pro, and I've already used three of them. You need to be deleting files. Or just get an external hard drive. Yeah. It doesn't work well with DJing. External hard drives and DJing are like,

well, girl, you might not need a new computer. Well, put on non-DJ. Yeah, put non-DJ things on the external hard drive, like stuff you don't use every day. That's why your computer, your computer's not breaking. Your computer just probably has no processing power left because it's maintaining three terabytes of mixes.

Yeah. Well, no. It's no, no, no, no, no. It's, I don't know what's wrong. I'll just say I straight up don't know what's wrong right now. Yeah, just take it to a place. You don't think anything to do with the 3 terabytes. Oh my God.

Shut up. I can't have the comb. Okay, my. I can't have the cum. I can't have the cum. Jog's mom is trying to feed him cum. Just poured a hot glass of cum. Mom, I told you.

I know, come on. I'm recorded. Don't embarrass me. But my friends again. Her computer, I'm using her computer. connected to her phone. I'm getting a phone and she's covered in Cumb. No, there's no fucking

come. Stop. I don't want to shout Oh, she's getting a phone call from her Fred named to come. She's working upstairs. I do not want to shout comb and my family home. Can we please turn it down? Go record in the Jock Shack. That is not a feasible place to even go into. Well, I'm not a feasible place to live and you live there.

When I lived there, it was more than feasible to live there. there was a working airc unit. The floors were clearer. There was a whole upstairs, and there was no raccoon or bug infestation. No, there is. I, um...

Hey, Hessa. Speaking of... Hey, sweetie. Speaking of, uh, of, uh, come, I saw a very funny video, uh, on, on Twitter of Nathan Lane, like, before he was out as gay. Like, it's him backstage in a,

Broadway show and he's like it looks like a Sean Cody video in here. That's what he said. Before he said, that's so fucking funny. But I mean, he's always been obviously gay. I gotta Google him. I don't know who he is. He's like a musical theater actor.

He's one of my favorite guys. He's insane. Yeah, I mean, the Birdhouse guy. That gay, this, you're like, oh, you're not gay, then you should have surgery to make your face more masculine. He should get MFS for sure.

Yeah. I keep seeing all of these fucking videos from these Turkish and British plastic surgeons and the things they are doing,

mostly Turkish, the things they are doing to men in Turkey. They're giving them little Anglo pig noses. They're making them look so fucking giving them

eagerly noses. Oh, girl. I've talked about it before on the show, but this makes me want to go like protest, like anti-abortion

activists saying your baby could be Einstein. Don't kill it. It makes you want to do that. That nose could be my boyfriend. Is that like a common thing that the anti-abortion people say, like, your baby could have been honest? It's part of their rhetoric, which is just like your baby could be, you know. You could cure cancer, because the one I've seen a lot.

Yeah. Your baby could next could be the next American Idol. Do you guys think there is a cure for cancer and the government suppresses it? I think that now that, now that RFK Jr. is in there, I think that's impossible because he would give it to us right away. Because it would probably be something like, you have to eat nine green beans a day, no more, no less. You have to trap a pigeon at the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport

and rip its head off with your teeth in front of a crying Mexican family. Who's begging you to stop? Did you see that? He caught a pigeon at an airport. Did he really? Yes. He caught a bird at an airport, and he's holding it up, like Ozzy Osbourne did right before he bit the bats head off.

Oh, my God. He's like, I can add this to my creatures. I'm sure they've come for him. I'm sure they've come for him, but why hasn't PETA fully tried slamming his ass? Well, Peter doesn't do shit anymore. Peter's a, yeah, PETA is like fake. It's a PR stunt company. Yeah, it's like two millennial like women being like,

maybe we can get a Sydney Sweeney to go topless. right. It's literally a PR company. Yeah. Oh Lord. Jack, do you need, are you going to be okay? You keep fidgeting and looking around. It looks like, well, it's also funny, you're recording, I'm in a situation, I'm in a room I shouldn't be in. And that's all I'll say.

And I'm looking out the window to see if a certain landlord is about to walk into his painting studio. Can y'all hear that noise? That's right. Hannibal Burris. Hannibal Burris. What, Jack, what noise? The cell phone, dang. I don't know how to, my mom's computer has everything. No, we can hear it.

Do I need to teach you how to mute notifications on a MacBook? No, I didn't even know this shit was open. There's like, can you read her text messages for us at least? Dear, dear, shog, you have been such a disappointment. Why do you have to come in the afternoon? Someone's texting that to your mom? Oh, I was reading, I thought you said to read my text messages from her. No, she didn't say that.

My mom is super supportive and sweet. Yeah, your mom's, I love, I fucking love your mom. Can you just mute the notifications on her? I just I just I just I just quit it I just closed I just I'm just receiving my mom's I'm just receiving my mom's full text message and call log I just took her off the grid fuck it's my y'all killed killed I killed I killed I killed I'm sured well speaking of death and icons being killed spirit airlines is shuttered it's going to destroy all of our fucking lives I'm gonna say that much can I why I don't fly spirit airlines I mean

you guys you don't fly you guys fly all the time girl yeah yeah I flew a $93 one-way flight to New York on Spirit Airlines for New Orleans. It honestly is so fucked up to do this to the American people. I'm not even joking. It's insane. And it happened because they had to declare bankruptcy because like Delta was trying to buy it and the government was like, well, this is a monopoly or whatever. I don't know. Elizabeth Warren had her like, you know, little grubby, you know, oaky paws in it. And of course, I don't think that should, airline should be a monopoly. And I agree that Delta shouldn't have been allowed to acquire spirit, but I'm like, so now there's just no budget airline anymore. And airlines are doing this thing now where they actually don't give a fuck

about economy passengers. They don't make money off of economy passengers. They make all of it, because it's like the Delta model, Delta, Jock, it's okay. Can you just... No, it's fine. I'm just here. I'm sorry. I'm not hearing it. Yeah. But Delta did this thing where like they realize they'll make more money off of like selling a premium experience. And now, all of the airlines are just trying to replicate that model where you charge a little bit more for extra leg room or you have your lounge or you have a fucking credit card line like Delta Airlines does and because you make a lot more money within a premier set of customers

no one gives a fuck about economy and it's going in in five years 10 years flying will be prohibitively expensive for a lot of people and it'll be they'll go back to being a damn luxury because they're gutting yeah it like already is prohibitively expensive, you know. For me, has some. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I can see the...

Fuck the American people. I want to travel. I think anyone who travels often enough over the last 10 years can notice the immense difference by two to $300 per flight

of how much you end up paying. And I was one person to never pay for the add-ons, extra seats. And then now I'm forced to do, I've completely switched. And I'm like, yes, I have to have an aisle seat or I'm going to be uncomfortable. No, girl, I would do the thing.

I think it was Virgin Airlines, the like crazy. Not wasn't Richard Branson. It was someone else. I don't know. One of these guys, Ryanair, I believe. Oh, the CEO. The Irish. The CEO is like, we're thinking about having standing room only flights, but it'll be super cheap.

And this is also them just like completely, you know, just turning. us upside down and throwing all the chains out of our chains change out of our pockets but i would fucking do it i would go on a standing room only flight yeah the more i think about it yeah the more i think about it the more i'm like you know it might be nice to like be able to stretch your legs and stuff i mean even even if they threw me in the cargo as long as i had something to hold on to like like in a bus stole away fully i don't care you know what i'm talking about the little the things in the As long as I have that to grip too. And also, let's not forget, Spirit Airlines was yellow because they were the taxis of the sky.

And how are we, what are we supposed to just, we've already thrown away traditional taxis. Now we're going to throw sky taxis away. I just think it's a slippery slope. We're going to take away all of the affordable. And what's next? Water taxis. Water taxis gone. Well, now it's like, okay.

Venice. Underwater, bitch. Look, just think about this, this way. anything that is cheap and enjoyable is now up for destruction. Family dollar. I mean, it's literally so true. I mean, I don't know about family dollar, but when it comes to like spirit being shuttered,

I think the options are just going like full luxury. It's whole foods or family dollar. That'll be the future. It already is. Yeah. Do you guys, when I was for the, for my other podcast,

the scam on Trouble in River City, uh, there was a, we discovered something very funny about like the origin of dollar stores which is that the concept of a dollar store of like everything being super cheap was invented by con men

to like get people to come into a store where like there someone was like playing three card Monty on a table. Really? So that they would be like yeah. He was gambling racket. You could get all this cheap stuff. Yeah like you could get all this cheap stuff

but why don't you put a few dollars extra dollars down on this game? well you're here. It's ingenious. Step right up. This really is ingenious. And now you go in and you gamble whether or not you're going to like accidentally smoke meth with someone like with some gas station lady. There are a lot of spiritual gambols you make when you walk into a dollar tree now.

They were like, wait, actually it's actually profitable just to sell the this cheap stuff. Like we don't have to do the game in the middle of. Family dollar and dollar store are getting sued across the U.S. Because of various stores having different pricing set than. other ones that obviously doesn't reflect the dollar pricing. And you know shit is

fucked up in the world where the dollar store can't even sell things for a dollar anymore. Well, they've always I mean, even, I used to go to the dollars year all the time to buy crap when I was like a teen and I mean, things weren't even a dollar that. Well, like candy and like shit, you know. Code hangars.

Whatever I was doing. Randot hangars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just total crap. But anyways, I mean, truly ripped to Spirit Airlines, it's sad to see it go. Allegiant Airline, another completely bunk airline. I Fly is probably going to fucking go under soon as well.

When you were saying earlier that Delta Airlines was going to take over, I thought that it was like Breeze or Blue, whatever. JetBlue is also not doing what. No, I read, when I was reading the article about today about Spirit Airlines, I was reading that JetBlue was the original person that tried to acquire. Yes, exactly. And then something about the Biden administration blocking it. It's because it would be, it'd be basically like a monopoly of sorts, as I understand it.

It's like you can't allow these major mergers to happen. But all these companies already like, I mean, I think, now Spirit Airlines is gone. Right. The thing that annoys me about it is like it is already a functional monopoly and that they all basically, it's, they're like cartels. They run. They price fix. It's like we already have this monopoly. And this is also why I fucking hate Elizabeth Warren because she's like,

I stopped a monopoly from happening. I said, no, you didn't, bitch. You're actually, you're mistaking the forest for the trees or whatever, you know? Yeah. Shut up, whore. I hate you. And they, uh, and like airlines are like, you know, it's the same thing that railway companies did where they're like, okay, like, we'll have this hub.

So like these will be our destinations. You guys have that hub. You can have this destination like this one. They just like decide in advance. Because like, can Elizabeth Warren say something about maybe, why doesn't Elizabeth Warren try to fucking save Spirit airlines. Like, can't we bail out Spirit? Didn't we bail out all of these airlines during COVID?

Like, I just don't know. I'm just like what. There has to be something more that you can offer than just, then the result being the only like budget friendly airline shutting down, you know? Even the secretary of defense was like bitching about like how, you know, the Biden administration could have bailed them out and prevented this. And then it's like, what the fuck are you doing to save our cheap flights going to, you know LA or you know where I mean this is gonna decimate self the South Florida

economy yeah the amount of people who just like work for Spirit and like it's gonna be crazy Florida is gonna be fucked because of this yeah Fort Lauderdale goes down it was I have a friend in St. Croix in the Caribbean like off Puerto Rico she's stuck there because Spirit was the only airline that service St. yeah yeah so all the people were just they were just fucking stuck And Spirit didn't even tell their staff. They literally just like flip the switch off and people are stuck. So let me comments on that.

So the screens basically, every, there was no employees at any terminal. There was no warning. There was no email sent out that said, your flights have been canceled because the company is folded. The only way that you could obtain this information by searching it on the news before it had broke was going to the physical air pit air spirit location. The computers literally read. like, sorry, Spirit Airlines is out of business and there is no longer any customer service. So how are the fuck or any, is anyone going to get their refunds? On top of that, I was like trying to research.

How are people going to get refunds? How are people going to refunds? And they're like, well, they're going to have to go through the Baint-RUPSI filing and get money from that. So you can just do a chargeback with your bank. It's pretty simple. I mean, it's annoying for sure. but if I mean as someone who does chargebacks and yes I'll say with complete legitimacy you can just tell your bank that a charge is fraud and contest it especially if you didn't

receive service and you will get the money back but anyways let's talk about a different fraud um A24 is producing a Rachel Dolazole movie I'm it's just such uh it's so it's such bullshit that they didn't tap us to write this I mean even just tap you Also, I haven't verified that. I literally saw a tweet that could have been a joke tweet from like poop crave or something. Okay. Well, let's write our, I think, like, how should we open the movie? Let's do our script for-

I mean, I really, I don't know if either of you guys have seen the Netflix documentary about her, but I actually thought it was like, um, her, her, like, true life story is really interesting and that she had a bunch of black adopted children and, or a bunch of black adopted siblings and her parents were like racist and like borderline abusive to them. So it's like of course that kind of trauma can result in her kind of freaky vibe and the weird decision she's made in her life. But I found it to be I found it to be like a pretty empathetic person all around. And I mean, think about what was the when did the dole's all thing happen? It was like 2015.

I think even before. I mean think about think about how much more just like overt racist the country's gone it's now that is now just like completely tepid she was in spokane and she was working for the nbacp like i she by no means was like an actively racist person and sentiment of course what she did was it's delusion not cool it's delusion it's complete delusion it's not like i want to say that like i understand like that it's her story is probably very offensive or whatever to a lot of people but like if you think about it in the most like psychological, mental, whatever kind of way, clearly this woman is delusional and mentally ill beyond belief that she truly, it was like a belief in her head. I mean, I'm, I'm prepared to say

something more racist than Rachel Dole's all ever said, which is all of my black friends love Rachel Dolazole. I don't. Why is that racist to say? Because I'm, you know, the sentence, my black friends. Yeah, yeah, that's true. But no, my black friends are literally like, I, I haven't. They think she's, like iconic. And I think she's insane, but it's like, I don't know. I think there's a goodwill there for her because it's like, well, the, given how much race is a part of her psychology. Yeah. It's kind of interesting and almost heartening to see someone so obsessed with blackness, but like in a positive way, you know?

Because like anyone else who thinks about black people as much as Rachel Zold does is like an extremely racist person. You know, like, oh, this is a white person obsessed with blackness. That is like, I don't know. Not necessarily like, overtly racist or violent. And nor is it like, it's not like a cloying fetishism

that you see with white liberals. It's some weird third thing. And I think that's why she's so interesting. Yeah, it's so hard to pin down. And it's like so complicated. It's like, you know, she transitioned. She racially transitioned. So I'm like.

Like, what am I supposed to do? I'm like, look, in a lot of ways, and I know a lot of people would say this is wrong to say, but she was really brave to honestly. Period, girl. Okay. Civil rights leader, Rachel Dole is all chuck. No, let me just say something. She literally believed that she was transracial. Like, there was no doubt in her mind that the blackness had gone from one person into her white body and she had become black.

She now does admit that she's white. I don't know if she really believed that. I think it was a stunt. It was her being crazy. It was her thinking she would never get caught. I thought it was beyond her thinking that she was ever going to get caught. Because I think that in her core, she really believed that. I think it's something she did cynically, but I think it's something,

I think it was a cynicism that was rooted in needing to, like, overcome or reinterpret her early childhood trauma. And let me say this, too. You know what? The director of the movie Soul Man, where the white guy gets. into blackface in order to get the African American scholarship to get into Harvard because his dad, his rich dad won't fund his Harvard

scholarship. That didn't age well. And people will never forgive that director. And Julia Lewis, Dreyfus barely escaped that without a scaife. Or being the... Scaife?

Whatever. Scratch. Unscathed, I think, is what you were trying to go for. But, y'all, she got scaped. But, But if we look back now to Ms. Doazal, I mean, she's an only fan, successful. She's always leading people. I constant, the way that when I see her social media, she looks like she's making money.

It doesn't look like she has stopped making money. She looks like she's been very successful. She was doing really bad for a while. Yeah, I guess Only fans. I mean, you don't do that. Well, sometimes, look, let me just say something. It might start off as an act of desperation to claim the last. last bit of money. And then it turns into something that's a lot of money. I mean, people make a lot of money.

For a while, she was, she like lives in like tempi Arizona and was like doing hair out of her house, you know? Yeah, I mean, if, yeah, she's very crunchy on, I feel like her, her, her, she's crunchy and she's kind of sexy now. So let's, let's get to what the Rachel Dolezal A24 movie would look like. And who I have an, open, I have an actor's suggestion just to start off of who would play. Okay. And I had to bring up her name. Woviki. Well, that would be hysterical. Oh, wait.

That's my choice. I'm drafting Woviki. I want Aaliyah Shakwat. Also iconic. Okay. Because she does have to be white. She has to be white, but with a hair texture that could be misinterpreted. Imagine the discourse being like, y'all casted a white woman to play Rachel Dolazol when a black woman, when black actresses are everywhere.

I was like, wait. Actually, imagine the idea of... They should cause to Mexican and make everyone mad. I like the idea of them casting a black actress that they have to, in the scenes that it's revealed that she's white. Honestly, it should be a black actress with white face. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Absolutely.

Oh my God. They should... Wyand brothers. It's kind, yes. So Woviki works. It's kind of during that A24 is doing this because they'll make it like really sleek and like, I think, stylish. And maybe... Also, this is definitely probably fake, a fake story that you know.

Almost certainly. But it would be so good if they just gave this to the Wayne's brothers. Okay, how's this? Okay, the opening, of course the opening, it's got to be Yacoub, right? It's Yacoub and he's scheming and he's like... Yeah, the prelude. Like a space obviously. Yeah, yeah.

The origins of Richmond told us all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Yacob getting bullied and he's like, it's like, it's like, zooms in on his fists and he like is flexing it and he's like one day and then it cuts to the future rachel dolazol is uh cutting someone's is giving someone a fade in uh tempe arizona scokane um yeah spokane in spokane washington uh there's like a line of white people and they're all going they're all leaving with fades with lineups um you know uh and then a general shows up and is like, Ms. Dolezal, we need you one more time for one more mission.

I'm looking this up. So I didn't see if there was a Rachel. I googled Rachel Dolezal movie, and it came up with the 2018 documentary, The Rachel Divide, which I think is the most hysterical name for the Rachel Dole's All. I mean, it's a great name. I would love to watch this movie and know more about how I should be feeling. Apparently, Maya Rudolph is in this documentary. The Rachel...

We were all reading fake news. I mean, Maya Rudolph would be a good pick by racial. The original tweet was sent by Ohio Jesus. Okay, so it's... The original documentary features, the Rachel Divide from 2018 features... But that would be... I'm sad now they're not making it. And I really wanted to see the 824 Rachel Dolisol movie.

I'm not even joking. I know me too. The Rachel Dolosol's all 824, Biobic would be so funny. Can I please? Who else should they make a movie about? Can I? Well, there's the, there's, go ahead, John. Sorry, I just have to read you this insane.

The documentary, the Rachel Divide from 2018, has the most insane cast, particularly Meyer Rudolph, Tamar Braxton, John Stewart, tomorrow Maori. So they couldn't get Tia, but they could get tomorrow. They have Whoopi Goldberg. And then finally, we have interviews from Franklin Dolazol, all her son. as well as Esther Dolazol her mom Yeah, it's just people

commenting on Rachel Um Tomar Braxton Could you imagine Wait, what if she had She had a black boyfriend That she was having a kid with And the kid came out and it's

The kid is white And the guy's like how What did you do? Literally my mom You cheated on me My mom being so depressed When we came out white Um

Yeah I mean Okay well the movie's not happening anymore That's so sad Well we can still write it ourselves. Well, I do think like 824 treatment, it like starts with like... Yacob. Well, Yacob. Okay.

And then, I mean, do you think it should be a sympathetic betrayal? I think they would... Of course. I mean, yeah. It's got to be, I think, I'm thinking like... All the 824 movies set out to make any villain or any disliked person likable. Well, it's like the...

Everything is just chockful of like anti-hero narratives now. it's like it's getting exhausting yeah right in my mind it would be like sully um excuse me but uh yeah i think uh there should be a scene where she's watching soul man in the theater and she's shaking her head like no this isn't good um she's watching white chicks and writing down notes yeah yeah yeah the idea of her accepting her white identity and then being like, I'm fully not going to present black anymore. And then just watching the movie white chicks and taking notes being like, oh, this is how they behave.

I did see a clip of her, some interview she was in. And she was like, no, I'm white. She's like, I'm white. She also, of course, fully set this, like, while wearing cornrows, which kind of, you know, opens up a different conversation. Actually, you can somebody, like, kind of makes her a little bit more problematic. Yeah, yeah. okay well what's up with the hair

and everything else that's happening Rachel it makes more sense she's just like you know I think there's a blanket there's one thing she has to defend instead of there being a bunch of discrete Can I say now though that I feel like people don't

really they're not enraged by her anymore and she's just a spectacle well yeah yeah yeah well yeah she's mentally ill enough that we like what what are we going to convince this woman she's not black she's still wearing the cornrows.

Well, it seems like she knows it. She knows. She might be saying on these interviews, she says, I'm white, but she, she's got her fingers behind her back crossed. And then as soon as she leaves the studio, she goes, I'm black, I'm black, I'm black, I'm black, I'm black, I'm black. Like 15 times. I'll be, she, it's like Terminator.

She's like, I'll be that. She leaves and comes back and comes back in a different outfit. All right. Well, this is getting embarrassing because I just looked at the tweet I sent you guys and it's like we should talk about this and it's so clearly fake now that I look at it. Yeah, it's just a gay guy. It's literally just some gay guy. It's just a gay guy on account.

The name is Griffin. Let's be honest. I don't know what's wrong with me. If there was a edgy art house movie style creation of the Rachel Zolzal story, sadly, sadly, A-24 wouldn't take it and then neon would end up being the company to produce it. Yeah, and then it would be like an I-Tanya type thing. Exactly. I thought the minute I tried to understand, I was like, what are this good documentary biopic that I could base with this. Well, Michael Jackson is kind of getting that true. That's an 824 movie? No, it's not, but I'm just trying to pivot us away from the fake news that I felt.

Okay. Well, yeah. Have you guys seen the Michael movie? Oh, I saw. No, I haven't seen Michael. But yeah, Jacques, it seems like something you'd be really into, like being like he's actually innocent. Yeah, do you, what is your theory on Michael Jackson's allegations of pedophilia? Do you think he's guilty? So I'm going to say first off, I've never seen the Neverland documentary because it just seemed is upsetting. And I'm, okay. First things first, growing up in eighth grade, I had a best friend named Camille Young. And she was a Michael Jackson super fan. Camelian was the name of her friend. But she was a really nice girl.

I should, you know, she's nice. She wouldn't deny this at all. because she was a die-hard Michael Jackson fan. She was such a die-hard Michael Jackson fan that she... She's canceled, by the way. Stop. Stop. Stop.

Eighth grade, liking Michael Jackson. Well, she was a little bit older. She was maybe high school. Oh, it was even worse. Okay. Okay. Anyway, listen, listen. So she flew to New York to go meet up with other Michael Jackson super fans

for them to go to the different locations that Michael Jackson's filmed music videos. and, you know, and the rhetoric that you hear from the Michael Jackson super fans is that the children that made these, these, like, claims have these connections to producers. Like, one of the main defendants against this case was, like, a producer that Michael Jackson had a beef with. I'm more likely to believe that something really did happen

to these children, I guess, just because of you hear it. Wait, so are you implying that you think Michael Jackson had a estranged, um, bereft producer who set him up to face these allegations? That is what when I was growing up, when I was hanging out with this Michael Jackson super fan that I got the idea of, but then obviously... Okay, so a 14 year old girl told you was fake and you haven't changed your position sentence. That's not what I said. That's what I said. I originally was at... So what do you currently think?

It's hard to say. It's truly for me, hard to say what, for so many years, Michael Jackson's a didler was a joke. For so many years, it's like this back and forth, is it real? Is it true? Is it real? Is it true? I was scared to watch the Neverland documentary because maybe there was seemingly concrete evidence one way or the other. Seemingly.

Also, I'm just going to be... You like the not being sure. I'd rather be a cliffhanger. I'll never stop listening to R. Kelly, Maryland, Manson. Even some ditty songs, I'll be missing you. It's flame, it's fire. Right, but whether or not you listen to it, I think that's kind of besides the point.

It's like, what do you actually think? Like, do you... I'll be honest. Do you think these kids are clout chasing? No. I think one of them was provably. I mean, that's kind of the thing. It's like when you are like a towering

cultural figure and are of course immensely wealthy like Michael Jackson, all kinds of people have it out for you. All kinds of people want your money. You also have the leeway to do so many horrible things to people because you have all this power. I think, I mean, yeah,

I think he was touching kids for sure. Yeah, for sure. I mean, he had like a special room for it in his house. Right. And it was like, you had like hidden rooms filled with children's toys. My heart goes out to those child victims, not or any victims of any pop star. I just, I also like music.

Right. You're stuck in this like 2016, something about like separating the art from the artist thing scarred you. I'm not talking about listening. I don't, the whole idea of whether or not you could listen to someone's music is like so retarded and stupid to me. I'm like, who fucking cares? It's not even litigated by people anymore. I feel like people like, you know, it was only a few years ago

that I was told to turn off Michael Jackson at a restaurant because it was not family appropriate based on the fact that it was just such to me that's just such fucking bull. Look, let's put it if everyone in a room. Well, what song was it? Want to be starting something.

It was an unreleased track called I love touching little kids that Jock found and put on. It's a hot. It was produced by Sophie. No, I'm just kidding. Right. No, it's just like, I just don't

I hate if anyone ever is like yo why are you playing this this is inappropriate yeah no I don't want to that's that's so stupid I'm more just like yeah people don't do that though no one's doing no one's been doing that anymore

like that's yeah what's happening it's kind of gone completely the other way around and now people are like actually like you should play his music because he's so innocent that like everyone should be

playing his music and that seems to be which is being proven by this movie kind of going gangbusters at the box office. Well, also, for context of the new Michael Jackson movie, there was an entire plot line that discussed all of his allegations of child abuse and, you know... In a new movie?

The new movie originally... I don't think of all originally was cut. Originally featured all of this entire... They really went after the kids. No, they included both sides. and really put a lot more detail into the allegations. And there was a... I don't believe that.

Can you just hush your little movie mouth? Let me get there, baby. So I was reading that the estate and the Michael Jackson estate and the people produced in the movie had a meeting about three-fourths of the way done filming and editing the movie. And they were like, we cannot allow this movie to be produced. if it is going to include the details and references to the allegations.

So in order to release this movie, you're going to have to cut those scenes in that content. I mean, I'm sure something like that probably often. I don't think that's true at all because his son is in the movie, right? Playing him or something. It's his nephew and it's and also there was.

So it's not like they're like, oh, we forgot about the nephew's like, all right, time for me to talk about my allegations in this scene. All right, let's do it. And then, like, went home one day and was like, yeah, we filmed the allegations scene today. And the family member being like, oh, shit, that, I forgot the main important thing about Michael Jackson. We forgot to tell him not to put that in this movie. So we should go.

I think that they in the beginning even have the stipulation to not include it to even a certain degree. And then the degree that they even included in was too much. I'm just telling you what I read. Sure. I mean, I bet there were probably some negotiations where they were like, we can't even reference this obliquely. I do think, though, just like in general, like people, like, the rehabilitation, if you could call it that, of like Michael Jackson's reputation is, I mean, one, there's just so much money to be made in rehabilitating his image and continuing to make

movies like this. I mean, his family probably needs a little bit of money. I don't know. But I mean, like, there's a lot of financial interest in rehabilitating his image, but on like an audience end, I just feel like, especially like post Epstein, I think people are just like, part of it is like a willful ignorance or like a desired ignorance. and whitewashing of stuff like this because I think maybe like mainstream audiences are just like it's hard to contend with the idea

that like child abuse is something that is endemic to like all power in the United States. I think people are just like what cultural icons can you celebrate if like top to bottom they're all, not all but most of them are like

sexual abusers. If people wanting to believe in the culture we live in. I'm letting them off the hook for that. Of course, it's like, I don't believe in the culture, you know what I mean? But like, I understand why people are just like, I want a feel good Michael movie because I love Michael's music. And, you know, I don't want to have to think about how everyone on the television is a rapist. Yeah. And I think, like, part of it in their minds, there's this like disconnect of like, you know, well, even, you know, like, regardless of that stuff, he was still a good guy.

And they don't, they can't square that circle. So they have to just like ignore all of like, they, they have to like ignore all of the, the allegations and stuff or just like downplay them or be like, yeah, that was like, you know, that stuff is not true. And even if it is, like it's not that big of a deal. And because everything is so strat, like, uh, stratified. and everything's culture war now. It's like it has to form these two, like, distinct sides.

They're fighting with each other about, like, what, you know, is he's either good or bad. And there's no gray area at all, like, which is very odd. But it seems like it's from the other side now, you know, like a kind of post-woken. No, for sure. Also, if you just take the wokeness out of it and just, don't even think about you know. I'm sorry, I don't even know if it's woke to be like Jackson, Michael Jackson

was a pedophile. Okay, okay, okay, okay, listen. Maybe one of the main things about any celebrity ever. The most well-known thing about any celebrity in history. When I say remove the wokeness from it, if you are in a inebriated or lucid state or like some kind of state where you're like just free to receive sound without thinking about where it comes from, or to give it your most primal response.

You put on a wannabe starting something in a room full of people, regardless of their political or their judgments about Michael Jackson or because he's a pedophile, whatever. It's not the music is scientifically proven. to get you bogeying and to get you grooving. It's like, regardless. I'm gonna be honest, I've never been a huge Michael fan. I just find that hard to believe. There's not a...

I've been more of a Janet fan. Love, Janet. Love, love, love, Janet. Velvet rope. Untouchable. Rhythm nation. Wait, you really can't, you can't find a single song by Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson is doing it. No, I love. There are a bunch of Michael Jackson songs I love. It's human nature. I've not interested. I've never, like, put Michael Jackson's music on. It's so just like white people, wedding to me.

I'm not saying that in general. I'm just like in my personal life. It's just like I associate it with like being old and like, I don't get it. And like when it comes to like music like that, like yeah, I prefer Janet. You know, Michael originally wrote I want to be starting something for Latoya Jackson. And then I love how she's looking. I love her. She's so cute.

She's kind of slaying right now. cute. She is like, like, she looks like a 1920s cartoon. She was like a skinnier Whoville. Yes. Yes. She looks amazing. Cindy Lou. She's so cute. I love Latoya. Well, you see Janet was not at the premiere. Because she doesn't want to support the, I think that, I couldn't.

Imagine trying to be his goddamn sibling after everything that has happened. That's got to be difficult. Well, I mean, because they were all abused as fuck. Their dad, right? The dad, which apparently they also, don't put that in the movie. Actually, Joe Jackson was a good guy. I was going to ask, like, how do they portray Joe Jackson? Like, one of the most

evil men? Like, yeah, yeah, literally, like, kept them in, like, dog cages, basically. Is he just portrayed some kind of, like, hard scrabble, like, visionary father? Like, he's portrayed, like Venus and Serena's father.

I saw clips of the movie, and I saw one clip of the dad interacting with Michael, and it didn't seem like they were portraying him in this excuse me, and this absolutely like, you know, perfect bite or anything.

I mean, I don't think they went in as hard as far, probably. I think like the dad had to have been sexually abusive. I mean, I've very least physically abusive. That's very likely. That was an allegation that was commonly brought up in pop culture or something.

I mean, I'm sure. I love, whenever I think of Joe Jackson, I think of that TV interview that he did one time. where his ringtone goes off in the middle of the interview, and, like, guess what his ringtone was? I mean, it's one of his kids' songs?

You would think, right? No, it was the sound of a duck quacking. Oh, I've seen that clip. I was so fucking funny. Yeah. Well, when boomers have, like, when boomers have a random-ass ringtone, you know they're fucking psychotic.

Like, the train one. Mm-hmm. Oh, my God. Yeah, the train one is crazy. Those are the scariest boomers of all time. They're so lucky. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure.

When a boomer has the alarm sound as their ringtone. I hate that one so much. It's because they've been screaming their whole lives that their ears are so deafened. They need a nuclear alarm siren to let them know their child is calling them. Oh, can I, this is the last thing about separating the artist and the music place. Like, we're not all going to stop listening to Crystal Castles. Again, I know one's saying this anymore. This is such an...

Yeah, no one says that anymore. It's such an outdated... It's just funny because I know you're... You personally are, like, traumatized by whatever the hell happened in 2018 when people are like, you can't listen. Kanye. Yeah. There's been six years. It's like the only, like, I can tell it makes you anxious.

I've had six... You were like, the whole world is against right now. I've had six years of DJing over the last... I've been DJing for 12 or 11, but I've been... DJing for... long enough that I've seen every kind of response and especially in the last five or six years

people are like you can't play this, you can't play that you know like well if they hire you for an event they probably just don't want music they don't like you know. Yeah but it's one thing to say like oh this is you know this is something that we can't play but then like to give me like

a list of rules you know like one restaurant was like we don't want you they literally said they were too scared I knew what they were getting at, but they were like, we don't want you to play any. This is a place I used to work out. They literally told me they don't want you to DJ any hip hop or rap because we have one black employee that would offend them. And I was like, do you understand how that sounds?

Well, did they say that to you? Yes, they said that to me. They said that to me before I played an event and I was just like, I don't. the way that they phrase... Well, I don't think that's like a normal thing, though, like, right? Like, because you say you've DJed a ton of events and is that usually like... No, but there's the ones, the times that people make specifications of what I cannot play or can't play. What was the worst thing someone told you you couldn't play?

That you got so mad at. Well, I was told that I had to play chaperone and got fired from that lesbian wedding. So that was... That pissed me off. I can't even look at those dikes in the street. You tried to play happy birthday Donda for 25 minutes. And they were like, can you turn that off? And you're like, oh, so now we're woke.

Lesbians didn't let me play Heil Hitler. No, they didn't let me. This one wedding said don't play any Kanye West. And I was like, you know, I love Kanye West. I have no problem not playing. But that's a fair request. That's a fair request. You've been hired to play a wedding.

I feel like, you know, it's kind of, you know, it's not like, you know, they wouldn't like. kick you out of a club if you played a Michael Jackson song or something, you know. Well, that's another thing. There's time where I drop, I'm sorry to say it again, want to be starting something in a DJ set, and I get this cue from the, in Denver, cue from the sound guy going like this. Again, what year was this? What year was this?

Six years ago, five years ago. Right. Just, you know, it just is so, I think. I remember during this time. One, like one sound guy making a gesture to you doesn't equal like... A cultural movement. No, but it's multiple times. It's multiple times.

He could have been like kidding or something. Or he himself was just like a crazy woke tart. But it's like, even in this moment, I remember being like, this is not real. This is all online discourse stuff. And it's, it's metastasized into this idea that there's like large scale cancellations about people like playing Michael Jackson or whatever. And it's like, that's totally fake. I remember at this time I was living with this

crazy psycho woke tard named Markin who was pretending to be Latina this is Denver 2016 Oh I remember her I was just thinking about her earlier when we were talking about Dolosol

One of the fake lesbians who left twice in my life I have evicted a lesbian and found Well they moved out What was the Hispanic culture thing

that you tricked her into thinking it was real Or like a word or something? She was the type of person to... Oh, gasoline. You said it was about raping children. I told her, she was the type of person to be a loud mouth about like,

actually, you know, this person has allegations and I can't believe you're, you know, like that type of bitch, which I just ate at the time. I was like, just shut up, whore. I told her daddy Yankees, for the context of she was also pretending to be Latino, not at all. I

told her that Daddy Yankees Gasolina was about needing to put gas in your car to have sex with underage girls. And then I don't know. I mean, she must have at some point,

I'm sure, she very gladly offered this information to anyone, any Puerto Rican she heard listening to that song. And they probably, it was a total Karen to them.

I did not find out if that ever transpired. I would have paid, I'd pay literally thousands of dollars to see footage of her, like, her confronting an Uber driver. He's like,

no. He's like, what are you talking? about us literally. The guy, he's like, oh, okay, sure. Her child's put on a different. Yeah, I would love. Like, he's like, oh, my God, my life is in danger.

I need to change the song. This woman is insane. She's pretending to be Latino. Yeah, no, for sure. Oh, my God. What are you doing today, Jock? You're going to hang out with your mommy? I came here to do this.

I have to go ship some packages. I have to go pack another package when I get home. I need to go finish some paintings. I painted five backgrounds of paintings last night, and today I'm going to go and fill them in with the actual paintings. Cute. Let's see. I've got... What are you painting? Is it your regular style? You got some commissions? I have one commission that I need to do. The girl came and saw me in New York to DJ, and she was like, by the way, could you please finish my? my dog commission.

And I was like, yes, yes. How long is it been? Not long. Not too long. But I was like, but I was like, but yeah, I have to do that. I have to make some designs for my clothing brand. I thought I was I shut down my clothing brand and then got really inspired over the last two months and really trying to work on my next collection.

And I'm going to try to exercise today. I'm trying to be. Were you going to reds? No, I'm going to roller skate. but I've been trying to roller skate at least once or twice a day again, like back on it. I'm trying to be healthier.

Guess what I bought? Yes, honey. Guess what I bought when I went to the grocery store for groceries? A fruit. Lettuce, olive oil, vinegar, tomatoes.

Okay. I'm going salad. I'm going salad in. You could make a better, you know, you can make a delicious salad. Oh, I know that.

You don't need to just eat lettuce and tomato. I know, but for me, for a while, I need to pull back. I've been eating, behaving well with my diet, but I want to even pull more. No, but I'm saying you can put like maybe,

what about an onion, maybe some feted cheese? Yeah, arugula. Get some arugula in there, you know. It doesn't, this is so like 1950s housewife, which is just like, I'm eating healthy, which is iceberg lettuce and tomato. It's mixed greens this time. It's not Romaine or iceberg.

And for the record, I love Romaine and iceberg. And there'll be cucumbers, too. I just like, I know that I've said this about seven years, six years that I was going to get healthier, but I'm actually doing some stuff right now. Period. I believe you. I'm happy for you. I also, my brother was just, sorry I to interrupt, but my brother was just in town and everyone kept calling him skinny and being like, wow, Zach, you look so skinny. Oh, so the same. He looks like, oh, everyone's like, God, your brother looks so much skinnier. And I was like, and I'm talking to my brother. He says, I haven't lost a single pound. Let's just do Ozempic. Get on Reda. All the dolls are on Reda. That's Reda.

OZempic is amazing. Reda is a GLP 3 instead of a GLP 1. So it's like advanced, works quicker. It targets your fat. And more like, it targets semi-combin. I'm going to stand up again. It targets you an example. It targets it.

You're fat. You're fat. I'm going to show you all an example of one of the only reasons I'd like to get skinnier. Because I, first of all, I want to make an example. Me as a doctor. My impression of a doctor, my impression of me is prescribing Osepic as a doctor.

You are bad. I want and need my, I want and need it. Giving someone prep and like you gay. Chuck, no, get on Reda. Have angel money. We honestly,

We should do this for the show. We should do an angel money. I'll pay Angel money for this. Angel, if you're listening, hit me up. Granted, Jock is down for this, but we should do Angel Money kind of... GLP off? Well, I was going to say she's like a personal trainer for you for injectables. Yeah.

Angel Money's injectable school for young women. I'm so sorry. Wait, this is the biggest... Literally. Edit class at the Angel Money Academy. This already sounds like... Because I've lost so much weight in, like, my doctor. was like, wow, you've lost a lot of weight.

I was like, okay, this is already such a challenge for me, because if I have to get rid of my size 36 pants and go back to the size 34 ones that I don't fit in, the size 36. Go, just wear belts, two inches would be fine. It's just a belt. Every time I do something is just such a big deal.

This is such hilarious. Might as well just get fatter. What happens you to get fatter? Then you have to buy bigger pants. No, but like if I can maintain just this kind of same fatness, I don't have to, two XL fits feels good. Such fat logic to me. It's so funny.

Everyone is always like, well, what do I do about my wardrobe? And it's like, what do you do about the 10 years of your life that you're sacrificed? Well, I'm going to stop. I'm sorry for being fat. You're not being fat, but it's all true. It's all reasonable. I mean, period. Community member co-sign. Okay? No one can cancel me. And I'll say it again because I thought about it enough recently. I even thought about quitting weed or temporarily at the very least.

about. The thought about quitting weed temporarily at the very least. It's such a funny sentence. Because I remember you saying I was think, I thought about, the thought entered my mind that maybe I should stop. I'm thinking about thinking about it at some point. Because you said your friends had an intervention for you about it. No, no. I said my, I said that someone close to me.

All my friends were randomly mentioned it at a, at the same time. Someone close to me. Someone close to me brought it up and was like, why do you have to do someone? I do think it's a genuine question that you should ask yourself and you should consider at least cutting it back. I think cutting it back, I think the one thing that really is negative towards me and all of the types of weed is the weed pills. I think the weed pills. Why don't you just say no more weed pills? Just start somewhere. It doesn't have to be everything or nothing. Like this is also keeping with the iceberg lettuce and tomato logic of it all. It's not like you have to be

eating buckets of mac and cheese and then a diet is iceberg and tomato you're setting yourself up to yo yo you need to find something you need to find a middle ground that satiates your hunger for both food and weed and be happy in that room because that will last much longer than the kind of binge and purge of it well i think my yeah i think the amount of food that i want to consume has gone down i think that i've been eating less in less and less over the last two months three months on top of that, I think I've been starting to get back to exercising. On top of that, I think if I just want... I've been hearing that I've been getting back.

Chuck, I'm proud of you. You know, it all starts with an intention, and I am made by no means perfect. I have plenty of issues myself. I'm speaking from experience. You're pretty healthy, though. Well, I mean, you know, I... Physically. Kind of, like, you know.

You're level-headed, too. It's not like you're like some kind of crazy... I mean, truly not. I'm not trying to talk down to you. I'm saying this all out of love him because I care for you. But I am happy that you are considering making some big life changes and I'm here to support you. Look, I'm going to announce this right now. This is going to be Jacques Gonsal and summer of changes.

You can expect new projects, new, new experience. You should make your fitness journey into a series. Because then the audience can help keep you accountable. Yeah. I think that's one thing. I've started working on a new. music career. I'm coming back to not, not

what does that mean? I'm not just going to be DJ music. I'm back to producing music and I'm working. I'm working on my entry. It's either going to be. You're going to sing? No, not exactly. Eventually I'll be so cool

if you became a singer. Eventually I'm going to include snippets of me talking and but for right now I'm starting off with club. Listen, listen, listen, listen. in the middle of the song. Interjecting on your own track. Wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Y'all just got, that's how I'm going to release the mix. Now you got me. Stop, stop. Listen to this part. Listen to this part. Stop. Okay, I'm literally going to go. But look, y'all, it's going to be like, I've been building up all these loops and

samples of different songs for over 10 years. And now I have all these files saved and I'm ready to. repertoire. I'm ready to... Those three terabytes. I'm ready to make edits in club tracks and I want to be... I want to be popular in the music scene, not just... I don't want to be just a DJ that just DJs. I want to be a DJ to produce this. I think you can do all of the above. I believe in you diva. Alex is teaching me everything I need to know. I think to start, you should probably get a computer that works. There are $800 MacBook pros. I bought one a couple years ago and it does... I mean, I had to get a new one since I started video editing, but for everything I was... doing that was like audio based granted i wasn't working with music but it's just to say there are like cheaper macbooks out there and again i would get it sooner rather than later because the ram chips or whatever the fuck i i hear all that i am not recording anything on my own computer i am uh going for this job i have a studio that i'm going to record these out and like

so that's going to be coming out soon i'm working on that we're talking about the podcast that you're we're talking about the podcast where you're going to Boogiety's studio? Well, it's Alex's studio, I think. Apogetis. Yeah. So, yeah. Period.

So, yeah, that's pretty much all. Will you tell your mom I said hi? Absolutely. I miss her. Ma, Ben and Hessa said hi. Does your mom want to be on the podcast? Thank you. I also do say hi.

Go bring the mic to. Go bring the mic to her. It's not going to. She's up. Let me. They were just saying hello, mom. Can you, are you busy? We don't just come say hello?

Tell her to come say hi to the listeners. They love her. We're not, it's not video. You can just say hi, it's Shok's mom. Yeah. Come, come closer. Hi, Val. They're going to come see.

Hi. I don't know if you've ever met my mom. Hessa's got an icon on, but that's what she looks like, mom. Hello, Val. That's not what I look like. How are you? How are you? How's everything in Lafayette?

Hello. We miss you. I miss you. Everything was good. I actually thought about you this weekend at the festival. I missed it. Yeah, Jazz Fest was fascinating this year. Jock told me someone about some DJ drama that happened.

That was in Lafayette Festival. I'm talking about the New Orleans Jazz Festival. Oh, New Orleans Jazz Festival. That's where she goes. She's been going on a jazz fest. This was my 47th year of consecutive jazz fest. I need to make it down. I'm just, you know, I usually come from Mardi Gras.

And then it's like, well, do I go back? And the answer is always yes. should go back. Well, Jazz Fest is different because, you know, you transport into, you're in New Orleans, but then you're in your many own city with only New Orleans food and all kinds of great music. And it's just, it's another. Sounds like a dream. Yeah, it's a dream. Yeah. It's perfect. Sounds so fun. My mom has the most fun year around going to Jazz Fest. It is her, her livelihood and her most excited thing. That is body gras. I'm going to come next to her.

No, like them equally. They're different. She loves all of her children equally, Jock. Besides you. No, I'm kidding. Well, Val, is nice to see you.

Any final comments, Mom? Yeah, it's so nice to meet you. About life, about anything you want to, you want to say? No, life is right. Tell any, if you have any last minute secrets, you want to reveal to the podcast. No secrets.

No secrets. Last minute secrets. Say the most embarrassing thing you can think about me. Yeah. Well, when you peed in your sister's brand new white kids on vacation, and you were three years old, and you were so proud of yourself? Keep going, keep going. Sorry, he, like, filled up, was it, was it, I'll believe her name. Oh, he filled up one of her kids with pee.

Yes. I peed in because I was mad at her. Okay. The worst thing I did was my sister in high school had a big paper due. and I purposely deleted the contents of the entire computer Why would you do that?

It was terrible. It was like a quarter of her final grade this time paper. It's the biggest thing you do in your junior year for this asshole guy who was her teacher.

It's not going to it's a private episode. I forgot his name. It's also not a private episode. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, he was just a jerk. Anyway, so I tell him to get off the damn computer.

It's her term. We had one computer that four of her share back in the day. And he was four years old, four or five. And so instead of shutting it down, he threw the operating system in the trash can. At the time, I had no idea what he did. So she had to go to school without a term paper. I'm waiting at the only Mac store in Lafayette, Louisiana. This is like 1997 and it opens and I'm like, y'all have to help me or my daughter's going to flunk, okay?

Come on, just keep listing. So what happened? Wait, what happened? There are crazy things that I've done over the years that we probably haven't already talked about. Most of them were my fault. Like the time, it was All Saints Day, but Jacques told me it was Halloween and they could dress up for school. This was in pre-K-4. At a Catholic school.

at a Catholic school and everybody was dressed at saints and you know virgin Mary and all kinds of stuff and me and i told the other mom oh yeah jacques said they had they're having a Halloween party jock said he could dress up like Muhammad no they dressed up as power rangers and it was like a prayer i think it was terrible these heathens so i took into a loponde is a Mexican restaurant where everybody goes after They love Power Rangers. You'd say my best Halloween costume was the Elvis or the Austin Powers velvet suit. I don't know.

They were tied. I like the Super Shock outfit I made. Oh, so when I had an eighth grade, I was like, I want to be a superhero named Super Jacques. Mom, can you help me make it? And so she hand sewed a silk cape that said Super Jacques in big letters. And I kept it forward. That's in eighth grade. He had matching shorts and matching.

You had that idea. Matched sock. NMAS, everything. I really lived like a Marveled superhero. I really liked a costume, and I used to really like to make costumes. I've just gotten lazy. I don't like to sew as much. Well, I can see where Jock got it from.

Yeah, that's where Jock gets his fashion sense. Oh, definitely. Get it from my mom. She was dressing me in tiny fur minks with a red beret and then porting me in front of a toy piano and being like, okay, go out and John. Right. So you also made it. gay too.

Any last minute any comments. I hope to meet you in person and Ben I hope to see you again. I'll be back. The one thing for certain I will come back. Whether Spirit Airlines will fly me there or not, I will get to the Orleans and Lofier. Well, they're not flying you there. I have a feeling. And I have a feeling a couple of others are going to go down before.

We were just talking about it. They give up there. Mom, any last minute, super embarrassing, any wild stories you have to tell them, I'll be pleased before. Because we never get this opportunity to really have you on the show. Well, there was the time,

and you were about 10, and they were probably about 8, and Cameron was over, and y'all were playing in the middle of the circle in the front yard, and the dad comes to pick up Cameron, and he goes, can you come see this, please?

So Jacques had all his job, G. I. Joe's. God. And he made this little fort. And they had guns on this naked Barbie doll's hand or something. Oh my God.

Like every, you sound like a serial killer. That's exactly. With Sterling Cameron's dance, Sam. Cameron is also the guy that watched me get lit on fire and cannot look at me anymore in public. Oh, I remember this story.

Yeah. I remember this story. Val was so nice to see you. It's so good to talk to you. You'll have a good day. We love you. I can't wait to meet you someday. Have a great day, Val.

Wow. And everyone out there listening. What a special little treat. Thank you for doing that. Look, what a special guest appearance. I mean, the queen of all. Come on. The people are going to listen to this episode so excited for the ending to hear a little mom talk.

They're going to love them. They're going to. Hey, this ain't TikTok, mom talk. This is mom talking. Talk. Real mom talk. Mom talk. Exactly.

We're not going to Mon Talk. We're going to Mom Talk. Exactly, girl. Everyone out there, if one of more seeking derangements, go subscribe to our Patreon for full bonus episodes just like this one, line the paywall. And until Sunday, we'll see you. Bye everyone. One last message, please. Bye.

Before you cut that sucker off. Please, everyone, I am coming to Los Angeles between the dates of the 26th, the 27th, and the 28th. And I am seeking a show or a chance. to play. please message yay y-a-y-y-y-very-fund one word at g-mail.com that's yay very fun y-a-y-e-v-e-r-v-e-r-f-u-n-fu-f-m-fu-n at g-mail.com I'm looking for house parties. I'm looking for shows. I'm looking for comedy opportunities. I'm looking for recordings. I'm only in L.A. every once in a while, every heartbeat of a moment. And I want to have fun this trip. I want to focus on fun. But if there's an opportunity, then you let me know now so I can base my my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, I some time on that. And I appreciate you all. I love y'all. Also, my, also last, really last minute, my clothing brand is not canceled. I was going to end my clothing brand and now I feel inspired. So be on the lookout for my new collection coming out. All right. Goodbye, everyone.