Seeking Derangements - SD 505 - The Talk Got Too Real w/ Nicole

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

Hello Seekers! Ben here, today Nicole joins us to discuss losing her virginity to Jacques, their Facebook Marketplace beef, rehab'ing snakes, Madonnas new music, and the nature of plastic surgery. Watch Nicoles music video I Want Santa To Fuck Me

Yeah, I just did. Amazing. Doc, is your started? Is your audacity is going to shut off two minutes into recording? Have you restarted it? It's not, I'm trying to get it to pick up my microphone right now, so I'm restarting it.

We can hold until you're ready. What's up, Pessa? How's it going? Good. Okay, I got it now. I just had some soup. Period, bitch. This bitch just had some soup. She just put some hot leg.

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We have Nicole joining us today. Hello, Diva. Hello. I feel like last time I saw you was in, I mean, there are all these people I kind of know from New Orleans. And then I recognize their faces and I like have a like kind of drunken like fondness towards them. it's because every time I talk to one of you guys, I'm just kind of like browning out and partying. But I think it was Marty girl, like two years ago I saw you.

At poor boys? At poor boys. Yeah, poor boys. Yeah. It was, and I think Jacques was maybe there. I was there, definitely. Everyone that's part of the whole implosion of that time was there. And so I was like, didn't know if you hated me. Because I think at this time, Jacques was afraid to talk to me at the time, though.

Chuck was afraid to talk to you. I was like, Chuck, I love Nicole. I'm going to go cue with this bitch. I love Nicole. Talk to her. She hates me. She hates me. And I was like, I actually don't care how she feels about you.

I like her. And she probably hates you for good reason if she even does. Well, I didn't even hate him. I just was upset that he messaged me wanting my dresser on Instagram when I was so mad at his roommates about them trying to kill my pet snake. And then their friend's girlfriend or whatever giving me. accidentally a freshwater pearl necklace and taking it back. Okay, I didn't know the freshwater pearl necklace things.

But I do remember specifically trying to buy a drawer. I didn't know, I didn't know the drama that had happened. And then I got dragged it to their bullshit. Of course, Jock's communication style is very like, Give me now. Give me now. Dresser. I respect the snake. But fuck that snake anyway.

It was just escape and get into the, fucking under the fridge. One time it was missing for like three weeks, and then it was doing circles in the bathroom. There was something very wrong with that snake. Many times. It's, like, friendly and, like, loki and really chill. What's the snake's name?

Sneaky. That's not what I named it. That's not just a great name. This is a pair of roommates that Jock used to live with in New Orleans, who I personally will not say anything bad about. I think they're both very nice. You know what? Neither will I.

What the fuck off? They've hosted me many times in New Orleans. They're very sweet, but I know Nicole and Jock you both have would seem like very strong feelings about these two. Nicole, can you tell us about the drama with the snake and how that gets to this, to Jock being deathly afraid of you at poor boys. Yeah. I wasn't deathly afraid because I did see her like, you were quaking in your fucking boots. You were quaking in your crocs. You were freaking out the whole night about a voice.

No, that's not. You're making it way to bigger a thing. Give the floor to Nicole. Give the floor to Nicole. Should we start with the snake or should we start with when Jacques and I met and lead up to the snake? I think we should start from the beginning because there's a lot. Yeah, the reason I'm on the podcast is that every time it's brought up that I've been mentioned on the podcast, I know, you know, Jacques is who I lost my virginity to. And then, and then Jacques tells me, oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know it for like It's been at least 10, 12 years

Yeah, I'm very sorry, Nicole It's been longer than 12 years You should be eligible for a certain financial compensation Right It's been like 15 years Wait so how did that happen, Nicole? We met at karaoke and Jock looked very different

Jock was He was sweet thin, full head of hair and we were both drunk and he was friends with my roommate at the time I introduced you to your roommate at the time Oh okay so yeah so we just met that karaoke

I brought him home And you were of age just to be clear We were both of age Okay she's not 16 I'm 16 and then we had like um i like bottomed black out in my sunroom that was my bedroom and then like woke up the next day and was like wow i guess like i had anal sex um never described to me this way i never knew no and then jock was like in love with me immediately but i was like why is jacques sleeping in my

other roommate that he doesn't know his bed and like being like i do know her i know her didn't love me. You didn't know Colleen. Huh? You didn't know Colleen. No way. I didn't sleep in Colleen. I don't know if it was the same day. Very soon after, you were just like, I walk in the room and you're like in bed with her and I was like, I don't know. And so anyway, I was in that way. Let Nicole tell her side of the story, John.

My side of the story. Jesus. You're silencing women yet again. Shut up. Not you. So then I, of course, was standoffish and weird. And then at some point it was like, I think Jock you were there when like Cassidy and everyone came over and we were like painting in the living room. Right? Nicole is a prolific painter, incredible painter. Prolific.

Yeah, something like that. So then suddenly I was like, okay, now I know all these like alt gays from Lafayette or whatever. And they were sweet. And you had someone to, you had something to compare Jacques to and you were like, okay, this one's not. normal. No, I wasn't digging through. I was like, he's French. I was like digging through this and swam and taking like old screenshots and being like, he's French. Look when he was 16. He's French. He was hot. Jock was, albeit never my type. I used to be a number. When he was a twink, he was, he was like arrested. He's an artist. He's like a bad boy. But then it all

kind of quickly was like, he's just an alcoholic. I miss too. And then I think I sort of became friends with his friends. And then there was like a second time at like a house party when I tried to like a block party, whatever, and I tried to like connect and he was just like obnoxiously drunk and doing everything wrong. Right.

You know, and I was furious as him. True, true. I mean, it is how I acted. So then I think we like went to like, we hung out. I got picked up in a car and we like went to that like Frosty's burger type place. Frost top.

Frost top. And I was like covered in like full body tanning oil, like leaving stains on everything. And we like had like a somber moment in the booth where I was just like, I think we were talking about sex. I was like the last person I had sex with was Jacques. And it had been like a year or something. And I was like, oh. I did it.

I did it once and then decided to never do it again. Oh, God. So then... So then, leading up to the snake, I just had had several pet snakes in my life. But then I get so stressed that I'm not providing enough for them and that they're, like, not happy.

And I'm worried that I'm like, I'm going to run away. I have to, like, sell everything I want to move to New York. Right. So there's these two gays. Creatures. One who I have... Nice young men. At one time was, like, obsessed with, in love with,

or whatever the way that it goes. The blonde one. And then his, they're both blonde, I think. And then his, I wouldn't call that other one blonde. heinous, gross boyfriend who I didn't like it all from day one. But somehow, Jacques was talking last night about how I just, like, said to him, like, you are like an ugly, chunky fag,

but the soul of a rotted old woman or something, and to his face. But we recovered from that. We recovered from that because then I was, you know, I'm over at their house like playing with the ducks and like this duck has like a big open wound and this duck missing a leg. But I was like they love animals. So then at some point when I was like, I'm going to pack up everything I own for like the fifth time of my life and just like cut my losses and get out of here. I totally know that feeling. Someone should take foster this snake and they were showing interest in the snake.

I love the snake. I had this gorgeous, lush, tropical setup for the steak. The tank was on a piano stand. I had a special light. There was like, you know, it's all happening. I'm spraying it. Very Coke dealer, kind of like a big snake. Yes.

And I, you know, there's live plants in there. I'm missing it three times. There's like a whole schedule. The snake setup couldn't have been better. And so one day I was just like, they were over and I was like, do you want to take this snake for a while and see how it goes? So they did. and then, I don't know, weeks to a month go by,

and I'm over at their house for some reason, and I see the snake, I see that the water bowl is just a dried up green crust of algae. I look amazing when I do this. She's splitting her eyes right now. Miley Cyrus. And the snake is like, I can see how dehydrated it is, like the skin and the scales,

and it's just like suffering. I'm like, what have I done? Because the whole point of transferring the snake was so that I didn't have to feel guilt and shame about, like, even though it's providing such a good environment for the snake. And now it's so much worse. The snake's going to die. I'm losing it. The gay boyfriend who I hate isn't there. And of course, the gay who's there can't take accountability at all.

And he's like, it's the chunky boyfriend's job to take care of the snake. But he's on vacation with his family. So I, he's like, call him. I don't want to be responsible. So I call him. And he's like, Nicole, don't. don't talk to me right now and hangs up. And then so

like... How big is this snake? How big is this snake? It's not that big. It's like less than three feet long. It's it was a manageable snake. I've met that snake many times. From my advantage here it seemed pretty happy but that's all to say snakes. You know, shit. No. You weren't subscribed to herpetology magazine. Can I just say really quickly that a snake that has tried to

escape three times and escaped three times successfully. It wanted freedom. It wanted out. Okay, fair enough. I don't know anything about snakes. I will just say... Look, I'll tell everything about it. I plead the thing.

I like the roommates. Shut up. I like the roommates. I think they're nice. No one's... I'm just... The roommates were nice. I liked them.

That being said, you called... The roommate who I will... The boyfriend who I'll now say is actually pretty spelt. You called him. and he was rude to you. Well, he was just bloated in the face because he was an alcoholic. It's not that he was like thick.

Okay. So he was rude to you on the phone about your snake. Yes. He was dismissive and hurtful on the phone about my snake. Why, wait, couldn't why? I'm sorry if this is a rude question, but couldn't you just give it water while you were there or is it more about it? No, no, no.

It's about, they need like humidity. They need, snakes don't, I mean, they do drink water, But it wasn't like the snake was going to go, oh, thank you. Like, it was a mess. It was a mess. All the plants were dead. It was dry as a bone. They lived in Africa underground.

They need, like, humidity. Yes. And I will say that house, I mean, I've stayed there many times. And this is due to all three of them. No offense, no shade to the other two. All shade, all offense to jock. It was very much giving opium den twink dabbed out opium den. There were like seven couches, ten rugs, dabbed.

Wax, weed, lighters. No. This is in New Orleans. This is uptown New Orleans. Okay. The environment,

I would say, was hostile to all forms of life. Yeah. Besides those who are, those forms of life, which are addicted to marijuana. That being said, you crashed,

well, did you crash out on him? Did you respond? Like, fuck you, what's going on with my steak? To which one? The boyfriend. No,

because he, like, hung up on me. Or I hung up. It was just done. So then with the other one, I'm like, so the one in person, I'm like, so, do I now have to take this snake home? Like, and he was like, no, he's going to freak out if you take it home or whatever. And I was like, well, I also don't really want to take it home because I had a perfectly healthy snake. And now I have to rehab this dying snake.

Like, I don't actually want that. But then, like, you know, no one wants to take on a rehab snake project. No. So then he drove me home. and we're in like five o'clock traffic and we're just sitting there festering and I'm just so devastated and disappointed and then I'm go home and I'm like trying to figure out if I'm going to go steal this snake or whatever I'm like using I'm using photos I've taken of the ducks to trace the GPS location to figure out where their apartment is because I'm like I might need to go get it because

Chris stops after that crystal or oh it's fine Chris brisco stopped responding to me he just completely goes to me, wouldn't respond, and hasn't since. Wait, you didn't know where there... You didn't know where the apartment was? I mean, I know generally where I was, but I don't... You shouldn't have it written down in notes. Yeah. Yeah.

I would have to just walk around uptown until I saw ducks, but I found the location. But so then, okay, so now the snake stuff's done. But not too long after, or perhaps even days later, I posted like, I'm getting rid of this gorgeous dresser because I'm, you know, I'm moving to New York or whatever. And Jacques just responds like, hey girl, I want the dresser, love the dresser. And I said, and I was like, you know, Jack had nothing to do with it. But I'm like, you live in the dead house or the dead snake house.

Oh, he was there. Yeah, I'm like, I don't know if he knows about this or not. But I'm like, I don't dare you message me wanting more. Oh, you guys just want to take, take, take, take all my shit. Right. You want to take my stee? You want to take my dresser. But I didn't know.

And Nicole and me figured this out way down the line that I had no idea about what it was going on between them. You know, they don't figure it out that I had no idea. We were brainstorming, putting her thoughts together. And we realized I had no idea what was going on in my life. Well, you know what? You know what? Medell, a little fast forward, little side note.

Me and Nicole reasoned, figured out everything because we, were both in New York at the same time we're walking through this random spot and where do we slam bodies into each other? Mr. Kiwis! This is the clip that Milo sent me. This is the only part of... I've ever heard this podcast.

I've just heard the clip where you say that and Ben said oh, you ran into a Tranny in Bushwick. Big deal. Sorry, Nicole. A classic Benbit. I mean, I would have loved to have run into you in Bushwick. I miss you. I would love to hang out with you more.

I'm going to be in New York July and August. We have to key. Yeah, you live in L.A. or what are you doing? You're always looking for a studio in New York. I'm kind of just fully nomadic at this point. I'm what they call tri-coastal and homeless. But, yeah, I was looking for an office. I need to rent an office while I'm in New York, but it hasn't really worked out.

so hopefully I'll find something. I have a picture. I want you to bring up Ben. This is the last time or the first time I've ever had drag makeup done and it was Nicole did it. Do you remember this? I don't remember that at all. Wait, where did I do it?

In my house? Yes. Yeah. I'm seeing a little preview of it. It's extremely disturbing. Let's let's all take a look at it. Nicole, prepare for some traumatic memories to come. I don't remember that. Nicole. Yeah, we're here. Yes.

Yes, sweet. Yes, it's good. I love it. I love it. I love it. You look like V for Vendetta with a green wig on. You do look like V for Vendetta with a green wig on. Yeah. It was a different time.

You know, we were free to be ourselves. It looks like a lot of cream makeup. There was a time when I would do a full face of all cream makeup and not set it and just go out and it would just evolve. The cream era. Yes. Doc got a couple of those. The cream rises to the top. Dollant, the cream always rises.

I don't know. Jock, you look beautiful. Did you do drag in this? Or was this just for fun? This was just like at her apartment, like a thousand years ago. I just love doing makeup. It looks good. It does look like Jock had a lot of fun.

And is that your natural hair? Is that what you still look like, Chuck? Yeah. Shut the fuck, you fucking bitch. You fucking bitch coming out. I like how close. The eyebrows are together. Yes.

You don't see that anymore. It's very Mediterranean. Yeah. You don't see that anymore. No. Jock, you look kind of Lebanese here. It is kind of, it is kind of levantine. Oh, my God.

So, hey, look, maybe let's get back to Nicole. You were mad at Jock for trying to steal your dresser for Facebook marketplace, which fair enough, because he has a very alarming kind of messaging style. Yeah. And in general, you know, demeanor. So then we're at poor, poor boys. Jock is like, Nicole is mad at me. He was saying this to me.

He's like, Nicole's so mad at me. I know she's going to be there. It's not, please don't talk to her. She's going to be so mad. You're exaggerating. I just didn't want. Did you yell at Jock about the dresser, about asking for it? I asked for the dresser and then I got yelled at.

And so I was like, okay, fine, whatever. And then I told our mutual friend Cassidy. And I was like, she hates me. I don't understand what's going on. And then Cassie's like, I don't know. I don't know. The problem that I tend to have, and I'm having it currently all the time,

is if I have, like, a huge outburst where I teach you the difference between right and wrong and, like, scream at you, it doesn't mean that I'm even really, like, bothered by you or upset. Like, thank you. Yeah. I'm just saying it. And then, like, when I was at, I was, I don't remember who told me, but someone was, like, Jacques's terrified of you. And I was like, I don't even know why. and then like it didn't you know like I was like because of the dresser thing

Transphobia Literally literally They're more aggressive Then then tranny's a kind of mug So we ran into Jacques in Kiwis and then I think I added him on Instagram at his request He took a photo I got her numbers He didn't add me back

So then a little bit later I unfollowed him And now he followed me but I don't follow him Don't follow him back. Don't follow him back. He doesn't deserve it. Why do you? I didn't mean to not follow you back and I'm sorry. I'm sure you didn't, but I'm just saying like there's a lot of hard rules in this life and I'm abiding by them and.

Yes. Yeah. And someone's got to teach him. I respect your decision. I put, I also uploaded the screenshot of the last time that we, we saw each other. I don't. Which was August 24th. Don't look at it.

We don't need to see photos of incidents. Yeah. This is an audio medium. I just was sorry. I'm just being autistic. Jacques's messaging style is concerning at least and baffling at worst. It's like the last text that Jacques sent our group chat for the recording. Nicole says she's here in the link.

So am I. Where y'all? It's like Jacques and you were in here and he forgot that he was also in the room. and I just added at the very end also I'm here too Nicole says she's here so am I no it's a kind of rapid

just like frenzy spilling of so much information that is there's no punctuation it's really hard to tell what that's like jazz it's about the things he doesn't say but now you guys are friends now everything's now everything's fine now we're best friends again

you don't have to follow him back on Instagram I will and the snake alive who knows Alex told me that the snake, that they went and bought a humidifier and the snake was live, but this was years ago, so who knows. How long does a snake live? So long. So long. I'm going to tell you right now, if it made its final escape, it's doing well.

Because it's eating rats, it's getting moisture. Yeah, honestly, it would have done better just outdoors in New Orleans than in that. Yeah, I mean, New Orleans is not a hard place to be a, you know, feral snake. I would have dropped that thing in... I miss New Orleans. I want to go so bad. I might do... I might winter in New Orleans

because they have that. They like closed down a lot of the Airbnb's and those like Airbnb landlords are now doing like long term, like I guess long term rentals. You can get like a place for like three months for like pretty cheap. I want to go do that this winter.

I want to go in Jock's pool. Dah. Well, that's L'AWR. The abandoned house. It looks like an abandoned house's pool, but it's filled with Wollinsk's pool. but it's filled with water. Yeah.

Have you gone in your pool? Yes, I go all the time. I swim all the time. You have a pool in the house you live in right now? I have a house with, I have almost... Where do you live? Who do you live in life yet? No one you know this guy, Ethan, but he's moving out because he's getting married.

But then I... Excuse me. I have this bedroom. I have a front room. and then the room that the guy's moving out of me and the landlord's girlfriend are going to split that and she's going to use that a few times a month as a music teaching studio. And then I'm just going to have it for myself. Do you love it?

This house? Yeah. I mean, I travel. Yeah. I mean, I travel a lot. Okay. Okay. Are you happy?

Are any of us truly happy? I've never heard of you. Are you happy? Are you happy? and your in your New York Havel? I am, you know, I am today. I wasn't yesterday, but I am today.

Your police looks nice, Nicole. Are you, like, in a new year? I don't live here. Oh, okay. Wait, where are you? I'm in Williamsburg. There's a sleeping dog right there. I'm dog sitting.

This is my part-time, full-time job is a couple times. A couple times I walk this dog. And dog, Dogs, you don't have to keep them moist. They can be dry. A dry dog is even better. I mean, even if the dog had to be moist, I'm great with animals.

I would keep the dog moist. It's moistly. The dog immediately. Actually, this dog has been through a lot, and she has a reoccurring tumor on her vulva, and she has to take Benadro. So she has some needs, too. This is crazy. That is intense.

She was like a trapped in a backyard dog, and then she was. got kidnapped to save her and then i think it's called rescued she was yeah she was rescued to save her that girl went to Bali on vacation and fell in love and never came back so she had to get rescued again oh my god this poor dog not falling in love and she's got little clipped ears she's like a tiny pit bull can you give us a little visual is it possible just to get that one of Pipples get such a bad rap. I love Pipples so much. Cissy. Cissy, come here.

Come here. Come here. Good morning. Good morning. I like the French Bulldogs, too. I love French. I love French. So my friend in New Orleans is looking at over 10 baby ones right now.

And they're so open. Oh, she's gone more of that. Good morning, too soon. Oh, she's so sweet. She's so sweet. Oh, my God. What is sweet? She loves the camera.

She loves the camera. And the camera loves her, darling. Darling, what a beauty. Oh, my God. Pipples get really such a bad rap. They're so sweet and so nice and so lovable. And I don't even think they look scary. I think they're not scary.

There are some that can be scary, but this one looks fine. She, like, roots around, like, a pig and she sounds like a pig. Right. I love that. Moose around like a pig. It sounds like one too. She's a pig. They were bred to babysit children in like Victorian England.

Is that true? That's true. Well, why are they so vicious then? Why are they killing everyone? Because of those Victorian kids were so ghastly and evil. They were so haunted. My friend is taking care of 10 French

baby bulldogs and they look so stupid. fucking adorable. Those are like Facebook dogs. Like those are for sale for $4,000. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the French economy is insane because you can make a lot off of like designer franchis. Frenches that have long hair, Frenches that are.

Yeah, my mom has one with long hair. And so all of these men, same thing with microboleys. I've talked about this on the show before. But it is, it is insane because it's just entrepreneurialism. It's like a hustle. It's a hustle. and it's mostly for like low-income people who would otherwise be like committing crime or whatever. I mean, it's a huge ethical question, but particularly when it comes to like Frenches and microbullies because these are dogs that they need C-section to give birth.

They're oftentimes born with certain defects or grow up to have a lot of health issues. But they're so cute. But one, they're so cute. And two, like, it is a way for a lot of, I don't think it's. necessarily good or maybe it shouldn't be encouraged or whatever, but many things in the economy shouldn't be. And I think a lot of these people who are like Frenchie breeders don't care about the dogs, but they care about providing for their families are not being impoverished. So I'm like, you know what, do it. Breat the Frenches, breed the fucked up little micro bully dogs. It's not

great, but it's better than them being forced into some kind of economy that could end up with them being in jail or victim of some kind of racial crime, like racist, um, criminal. criminalization, et cetera. I think it's totally fine. I encourage it, and I think the dogs are cute. It's like, you know what it reminds me of is like in old movies when there would be like a guy who's poor, but

he has a bunch of pigeons in a big cage on his roof and he like takes care of him. Jacques, everything okay? Just filled something because he's surrounded by 10 people like per usual, which is amazing. The talk got too real. The talk got too real and he

lost it. Nicole, are you a Madonna? Are you a Madonna stand? Um, no. No. Like, not at all. Did you see her new music video or her new... I couldn't watch it.

I couldn't watch it. Hannah sent that they, she had the lasers out of the butthole thing that Peaches did like 15 years ago. And I do think that's fun. But Madonna at this point, like I'm saying this. I'm like worried that Madonna's going to hear this. I'm like so worried that Madonna's going to hear this. Girl, she's not. I loved Madonna like hard candy.

Madonna was when I was like, I'm all in on Madonna. I was obsessed with Madonna. American Life is like my favorite album of all time. I'm obsessed with it. But I think Madonna is like whack and strange. And watching her like do this in Times Square and everyone, I was like, I'm so proud of all of my gay friends who made it there. No, I didn't go.

You're proud of your gaze. I had to go to a movie premiere. You're proud of your gay's gay period. You're proud of your gays who made it to Times Square to see Madonna kind of right around. I'm proud of them for going. I think it's amazing that they went. But I think everyone who shared video of her as if what she was doing wasn't disgusting. I'm like confused.

And I wish that she could find a way to, I'm not shaming her for being old, but she's doing something that like doesn't, like, don't try and do it that way. Do perform in a different way. She's slithering like a slug on the outside of a window with her leg grappling on, hanging along the side as if, like a window cleaner. and it was just foul. It didn't look sexy. It looked like a, it looked like a dementia woman crawling out of her hospital bed.

And it was like really tall, like dreamlike little walls in her bed that she could have been hearing because it's Madonna clearly doing like exactly what she wants to do in some way. That being said, I think it was embarrassing and kind of desperate. But that's who she's just been for the past 15 years, you know? I don't think it was. I jacked off to it many times, okay? I jacked off to it a hundred times and I was paying attention to her mostly and not

anyone else in the video. I'm looking at up, Richard E. Grant Benedict Cumberbatch. Yes. Argo was in it. Odessa DeZion, whatever the fuck her name was in it. Adesia Asian was in it. A bunch of Andy Cohen's friends

were in it because I saw him commenting being like, oh yeah. When she did Madamex, she did maybe more than one song with Maluma, at least one song with Maluma. Maluma? Yes, Maluma. I took a pill and had a drink. That video is so beautiful. She's got like a Marilyn Manson weird thing happening.

And then she's having a beautiful wedding. It's all like fantasy. And I was like, it's whack what she's doing with the eyepatch and the Madamex and the type. greater, but I'm like, I'm, and the vocals are terrible, but I'm like, I'm so here for this. I like it. I like it. Like, what you're saying, you know, she's doing exactly what she wants, and I love it. She seemed like she was having fun.

I'm happy that she did a video where Mickey Blanco is like burning on a cross, and she did a video where she re-create pulse Orlando where like someone comes in with a gun and kills everyone at the gay club. And I'm just like, girl, like, and these songs are terrible. They're terrible. Yeah. She does not have a. single song where she has to be doing all that from the

Madame X. So then I was sort of just like, I don't know you nasty bitch, I don't know. And then, yeah, ever since then, I'm like, I can't think of anything that she's done except for have a huge puffy face, which I did do. I did too.

I'm not saying she copied me. I'm saying I get it. But she's going to hear this. She's going to hear this. And I like the video she did where she did her own, like, 72 questions where she just ran around her house, her, like, you know, with the horses. And, like, every third question she'd answer sex.

Like, no matter what the question was, it was, like, sex. And she was, like, manic and it's after dark. I loved that. I was like, that era, I think that was still Madame X, I think. And I was like, I can, this, this is like an old lady having fun. But now it doesn't feel like that anymore. Well, that's like what she was doing poppers. Yeah, I love the iPad.

She's completely insane. She's totally just like lost it and is probably demented. But I like that she is like really just refusing to, because she's like, I'm with a faggots and with the drannies in the bathroom. I'm doing coke and I'm sucking cock and everyone's fucking me and everyone's fucking and dancing. That to me is so played out for her. But I like that she just like hasn't changed it in any way. And it's like the one note she knows how to play.

It could be funny. I don't like that she got the big fake butt implants. The big thing Goddip pants was when I was like Oh my God Like Those are real to me You know

Well and Jennifer Lopez Just got her boobs done like a year ago And they looked lovely But I'm like oh my God Jennifer Lopez Who is like The hottest old lady there is Like

Wanted She like had to get bigger boobs It's just like I'm like I'm just like an insane person Who like has had a bunch of surgery because, you know, what else am I going to do?

But I'm like, these people who are, like, rich, famous, like, ladies who are supposed to be the most confident women in the world having surgery? It's like, girl, this is knocking me down. And it's Jennifer Lopez at least looks good. Madonna looks so insane. And I'm like... I understand she does look a little bit better than she did. Well, she was out there was a while... She had, like, sepsis or whatever.

Yeah. I think her booty got infected. I'm sure. I think her whole body got infected. Well, you're right. It's because it was her whole body. I mean, that's the kind of things that happen with those people who are like overly obsessed with plastic surgery. Talking about transgender women, Josh?

I'm thinking about cis women right now, particularly I'm thinking of Mary Magdalene, rest in peace, but St. Sebastian Pickles. She had infected ass from her. Jesus's girlfriend, Mary Magdalene. She was like a full body modification person. Yeah, but her ass had been filled so many times that at one point her ass was rotting and infected. Wait, who is this? This is like an Instagram person who was just like doing shock effect. Like, yeah.

That's, I know what you're talking about. The girl who had, she tattooed her eyes and she tattooed her eyeballs. She died. Yeah. She died of either like overdose or suicide in Thailand. Well, that's, okay, so that's... It's different. We started that 10 years ago or whatever,

where there's the kooky people who aren't trans who have crazy surgeries. That's fine. It disgusts me now. I used to be fascinated with it. But what I'm realizing is the whole allure to celebrity, my whole life has been that celebrities are not regular people who become famous, There's something different about them. And then, and then, because that's how celebrity, like, was before we had social media.

You know, like, you see them and they were already famous. Yeah. So to me, I'm like, they don't have, they don't drink the same water as us. They don't, like, they don't live the same life. So then to realize, like, what, A, I plan is like. They're just as insecure. They're just as insane. They're just as, like, susceptible to, like, trends or whatever.

One, there's as susceptible to getting a botched butt implant. Yeah. I'm like, I'm in New York and I've had like four surgeries in the last year for free and like, right. You know what I mean? I'm like, period. Well, so I'm just like, I'm like, but nothing, you know what I mean? Like, did I have like better face work than, um, name any celebrity?

And like, isn't that bizarre? Because I'm not, I'm not, um, well, you look great. And you don't look like you don't even look like you had work done. Well, that's what I mean. I'm just like, but. So does that mean I'm born? the same innate thing that makes my life, I shouldn't be drinking this water.

You know what I mean? It's like, it's a kind of, you know, a disillusionment of celebrities being like human in some way. The idea that Madonna went and had surgery. Right. On her butt. I'm just like, it used to be like, wow. I think I honestly, I think I just know more about surgery now

because I've done it a bunch. But I was like, for a while, I was just like, you know, someone got a boob job. You don't think about like they've got scars and weird shit happen. Oh, yeah, they're sewn up their back. It's crazy. I mean, I've never had surgery.

I'm really like kind of afraid of not like going under the knife or having my body like chopped up or whatever. I'm not like precious about about that. I don't really care. But what I am scared about is like if it is botched or if you end up just looking weird, there's like a permanent symbol of like how. insecure and how deeply, deeply vain you are. And of course, I'm a gay man. I'm extremely vain.

And it's almost like my vanity is the one thing that keeps me from getting surgery because I want it to remain being not so obvious. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And the risk of surgery is that all of a sudden you are marked as a deeply vain, insecure person in the face because you're, saliva glands got cut out when you're getting bucule fat surgery and out your face

you're just pooling and, you know, like perma, puffy. So I don't think I could ever do it. I'd be too afraid. Well, I think, yeah, I don't think surgery should, plastic surgery should be illegal. I'm like, probably. I agree. If I see someone now who's having surgery,

I'd just block them. But like, I do, I did last night. But I had to do it. You know what I mean? Like, I think some people told me not to do certain things, which, whatever. It's not their body. No, but, but

you know, after I got my face done, girls are messaging me about it and I'm telling them, don't do it, girl, just don't do it. Like, you're beautiful. Everyone else in the world is beautiful, except for me, I had to do it because I'm so disgusting, but you guys all look great and fine, like leave it alone. Surgery is immoral and mad and wrong.

Don't do it. You're haunted. Yeah. I have an appointment I've had like an appointment for a while I keep pushing it back I'm like I don't know maybe For Medicaid FFS

I mean I can cut this if you don't want to answer But is that what it is? No it's I got finally I finally got a new Health Insurance No I thought you had FFS No

No I see you look great What was it for? Yeah. FFS. But yeah, I, I keep pushing it back because I'm like, I don't know, maybe I should. Maybe like, you know, like it to just, but sometimes there are those educases that make you think, oh, maybe I should. Such as recently, Rosie O'Donnell.

Yeah. Looks. Rosie McDonald's looks incredible. She got a facelift. She looks amazing. Oh, she got a beautiful face. I heard her talking about it because she was like she was flying in for the Tony Awards and she was talking to like E.T. or something. And she was like, this is the first time I've had paparazzi waiting for me at the airport in 15 years. And it's because they want to... She feels amazing. She feels amazing. Can I... She did kind of say the same thing you were saying Nicole a little bit where she was like, this is a, I'm ashamed to have gotten this. But yes, I don't look fucking beautiful now. Yeah. It's such a funny way to like... message it but she got she just got the lower um like deep plane face yeah because she had like

pooling around her like right it's she doesn't look that different and that's kind of no and that's you have to do it you have to you have to you have to the tiniest sort of like the most minimal thing even though lower deep plane is like extremely invasive it's right it's not the whole face pulled back you know yeah it's it's like it's a classic trans uh the like trans thing of like your friend getting FFS and then be looking exactly the same right. Yeah. And it's so fucked because they, for me to look, I mean, I know I don't look

exactly the same, but for people to tell me like, you look pretty much the same, I had like, you know, eight surgeries on my head and they peeled my whole face off and you know what I mean? But it's like, right. Everything's minimally invasive now. Like, you know what I mean? like a minimally invasive like full getting a vagina thing like it they just say minimally invasive because they use like a robot to do it or something but I'm just right yeah they use a boss using robot you're still like my face off for this minute right right

right it's like it's crazy because like even for like cis men now particularly gay men it's like this surgery is so normalized like going to turkey I saw this video of this gay guy this absolutely heinous faget design LA just brain dead gay who had a completely intact hairline like not receding at all you know just like there and he went

he was like I'm going to Turkey mine is like push back further than his but that's just because my hairline is set back he his was like this basically like more squared up than mine he got a hairline he went to Turkey and he got it put like two inches down where hair was never growing to begin right it wasn't a hairline restoration

He got a head-shrincing surgery, essentially. Because he just moved his, and he looks crazy. And I'm just like, this is so, not to feel like such a boomer, but it's so unhealthy. It's so unhealthy and crazy to be, to have this kind of suite of plastic surgery available at all times for people who make just enough money to just to afford it. My old roommate flew to turkey to get his hair treatment. And he looks good now, but it was so disgusting. the growing process. It was like,

ugh. And it would be funny. You know, his whole head swells and scabs. And he couldn't shower for days. And I was just like, you know, what I'm picturing is,

you know how, like, there are those pictures of like, oh, flying home from Miami and it's all the girls like kneeling on their plane seats like they,

because they just got BBLs and they can't sit down on the plane. I'm picturing a, a guy flying back from Turkey. He clearly, just got hair plugs, but he's kneeling on the seat in the plane. Like, he just got a VBL. I'm sorry, I can't sit down.

You do see pictures of that guy's flying back in Turkey, which they're all just, you know, they have the giant advantage. I support, I think it's fine to do that. They can go ahead and do it. I, you know, it's not exactly a sign of the healthiest culture. You're not having sex with gay guys, Hessa. You don't know what it's like to have

sex with a gay guy. All of a sudden, the, like, standard is you have this, like, crazy hair lines. it impacts me directly, bitch. Okay, okay. Can we circle back to Rosie for just a second? Yes, please. I think, I think we've just come up with the-

bitch. Hello. Look, I think we should, we ought to take the route and actually we should FFS. She should get the entire trans woman medical transition thing done to her. She has a vagina. Well, everything besides that. you know, everything to increase her feminine image.

She should become a Porsche, like, Ellen DeGeneres type's wife, lesbian. She should fully feminize herself out of a way that people have never seen her, ever, completely changed that potato into a French fry. And, I mean, I think she could have a better future than she's struggling to have right now. I think she's beautiful, I guess. If you had unlimited money, plastic surgery, what would you get? I want to look exactly like Margaret Robbie.

So you would transition. Margaret Robbie? Yeah, well, he also calls her Rosie O'Donnelld. Rosie McDonald's. She calls me. Or I would like to look not Asian, but like really sad. Like sad looking like that Asian guy from too much the Lena Dunham show with the, he's like the Asian rocker guy.

Yes. You've become an Asian rock star or a woman. I like how sad he looks and he does have hair. So I guess I would actually get the hair. But I want a version of the surgery that is so expensive that you just put the hair. You want surgery to make you look sadder? This is what you're saying. Well, it would look like a beautiful kind of sadness.

I don't know. you know people think adrian brodie is pretty looking but he looks sad all the time he so you are if given the option of getting any surgery your option would be i would get one that makes me look sad that puts more beauty into my sadness basically i kind of would like to be able to flip back and forth or maybe look like cameron russell from gladiator that might be nice russell russell Russell Cameron Russell Crow Russell Crow

I would get a I want a beard But I mean Beer transplant technology It's like all insane I don't think I can pull it off But if I could look like drag jock With a beard

I would be I would want to get a beard I would look like drag But it helps especially as you get older As a man because it like hides Any sagging on your neck Have you tried monocidal? You can put monocidal on your face

You can put it right on your face? You can put it right on your face I'm like so T-Biles do it all the time It looks so bad You have to just unlock your body's potential Really? Does it dry?

Does it dry? Because isn't it, is it monocidal like super harsh? Doesn't like dry out your skin? No. No? Maybe I'll try monoxidil. Give it a whirl. You're going to love it. Period. I used to have the tablets, but they didn't really do much. I guess I got to get lighter.

Go to Costco. Get the drop. don't get the phone. Jocke, do monotra, like, in a, in like, a serum dropper? Yeah. Okay, maybe I'll try that. Thank you. You might get me snatched.

It's going to be fun. It's too late for me. Don't you think I would look better with a beard? I would probably stop looking like such a, like, lesbian. Oh, I am so... If Ben gets a beard, I'm going to get so mad. I think you look great, then. I think you look good, but don't get a beard.

You're going to look like... You know how you always dress like a pie. once a year, you're just going to be looking more and more like that. I would love to look like a pirate. I feel like it's sexy. A pirate is the sexiest thing you can be. One of them. Johnny Depp pirate?

Johnny Depp pirate? Yeah, I would do Johnny Depp pirate kind of vibe. Cacted, sparrow. I would do it and I'm drunk half the fucking year anyways. So I think it could really work. Oh, God. You take what you like. You're going to be so fucking jealous when I start dressing like a fucking

homeless pirate? I'm dressing like Ben said earlier I look like a GameStop employee. I feel like I'm dressing like someone that works at a head shop. Well, you have the kind of lined up O.T that I've only seen on like old Cuban men or white guys who are

too old to have been school shooters who work at GameStop. Or Satan's priests. Yes. Well, I've been looking for the cord, the charging cord from my electric shaver and I'm not going to go buy a new electric shaver. And Nicole, if you had a beautified jock

Because you've had an experience with this You would have been drag What would you do to jog? Makeover I wouldn't Jack's whole thing is looking how he looks Making him look better Would just only make his life worse

He's got to be true to who he is That's actually completely true If you started looking gorgeous It would be like, what the hell? What's going on? Fuck you, what the hell does that mean? Well, I mean like if you got If you turned into Margot Robbie, we wouldn't...

You'd be like... You'd get murdered in 10 minutes. You would be murdered almost immediately. Everyone loves you for who you are, baby. You don't go to... No, it's true. It's true. You're real eccentric and you can't...

You shouldn't mess with that. Thank you. Sorry, Nicole. It just immediately took that the wrong way. I was like, oh, good. Oh, great. I'll never be gorgeous again. Just GameStop fatty.

I mean, I'm said before, I am jealous of your confidence in being who you are. And not saying that this is disturbing. It is disturbing. It is a stay away. This is a Mercer shirt. It says stay away. Do not touch.

I made it for Mercer DJing. But anyway, yeah, I would love to have some. I would be too powerful if I look not. like a fucking tech deck thumb or a kid's a kid's spy kid's thumb you know my identity

should never be challenged period I'm going to plan I'm going to plan parenthood today for a To get FD test? No for like a physical It's like they have this

It's not It's like funded by Planned Parenthood but it's like a weird subsidiary or something But I haven't been to the doctor in so long because I haven't had insurance forever but I'm like, I'm getting old and I need to like get a fucking physical and I'm a little...

I heard that they were doing Botox at Planned Parenthood now. They're doing Botox at Planned Pounder now too. They gotta like make a bunch of money. They have like a huge deficit or something. Period. Yeah. Well, it's because of Trump like defunding or whatever. Okay.

That's well, sure, sir, sure, sure. Yeah. Public radio is doing Botox too at their funding drives. Public radio stations are like, you know, WBGO, WKCR. I'd be willing. to bet that there's so much

trad cat and trad lifestyles going on right now that Planned Parenthood is also just has less business. More people are just keeping those damn babies. I think it's mostly because Trump is like slashing their budget. Yeah, I think anyone who

I don't think anyone's deciding after Trump is elected like I would have gotten an abortion but now I'm going to you know choose to keep my baby and change it, you know. I think birth rates are still falling. Yeah. I'm not saying I'm not anti-birthright. Oh, no. I'm not anti-birthright, you think?

No, wait. I'm anti-birthright. I'm anti-Israel birthright. That's a different. I meant, never mind. It's okay. Oh, Lord. I would know what you're saying. I'm so scared of getting a physical. I hate going to the doctor. I hate going to the dentist. I hate doing all of it. Me too. Really? Really. I know the doctor all the time. I think better than professionals, you know, giving you professional attention. Yeah. That's what I live for. I'm just like,

I'm just like shut up. I'm never going to die. I'm never going to get sick. I'm, none of this stuff will happen to me. And you should die. Wait, why are you getting a physical?

Because I just, I'm joining the army. I haven't had one in like 15 years. Are you getting on a new insurance plan? I have, I probably have not had a physical in. Are you on prepped? No, I don't.

I've never been up. Oh. But it's because I, discerning about who I have sex with. No horrors. Why don't you want to be on prep? I live for it. It makes me sick.

No, that's in your head. No, I feel physical. What are other lifestyle issues are we having that we could take on me? I, someone has attempted to pause me recently, and I'm on pep and prep. You should be on prep. You should definitely be on crap.

I don't need to be on prep. Yeah. But half the time I'm not even having sex with people who have HIV when I'm having sex with women. Or with most pain, it's not like the time. You can get HIV from a doorknob. You can get HIV from a high five. I know.

I does give me a physical feeling, though. It makes me feel like weight. It means you're scared. It's not about a sensation. I'm not scared of the head. Shut up. Shut up. Describe the sensation, please.

I'm curious. You said it feels like weight? It feels like swallowing liquid metal and that it weighs me down more and it makes my body feel more sore. You move like you're underwater after you take a prep pill. But also it's hard for me to distinguish prep and pep because I'm taking them at the same time.

Well, that's what I mean. Like you've, I think you're doing a lot of things wrong here. Yeah. Okay, okay, Nicol. I think you're doing a lot of things wrong. No, you don't. You think I have an amazing, beautiful life. That's true.

And you do. But he's so jealous of anyone and everything. I'm not even jealous of Nicole. I just adore her. Yeah, you don't have to be jealous of me. I don't want, look, I don't want anyone being jealous of me. Please don't be jealous of me. It's been really rough.

It's been a really hard life. Wait, so how's me work for you? Are you there? Are you in New York permanently? Is that she gets more attention than me. I don't even get that much attention. Yeah, I've been in New York for like two and a half years. I've been like roughing it. I don't have a, I don't have a job.

I haven't had a job for two years. I'm just like just doing stuff. I mean, that's amazing. But, you know, I had like a year off where I just had a bunch of surgery and now it's done. And I thought, ooh, I'm going to have, you know, I'm going to have to more time in this just take me easy but then I'm just like life

you know here we are so right right um but yeah every single day I'm like I hate New York I don't leave New York and then I'm like I love living in New York it's amazing yeah it was like that for me too but as long as I lived there I was always doing like

you know as long as I lived anywhere it's like every six weeks I have to go on a trip somewhere otherwise I like literally fucking freak out and for the past I'm like six weeks at home and then I go on like a three week to six week like trip somewhere like New Orleans or I was just in LA and I'll be back in New York but it's also like I'm getting so old that I'm like how long am I going to do this right but it doesn't seem like it's stopping I'm going to be alive for and how long can I just keep like traveling

back and forth and back and forth drifter but I still love it and I don't think it's changing anytime soon but then I'm like wait I'll be 40 would you ever What the hell? Like, that's fine. Then you move to Europe. Then you go to the new frontier. Would you ever move back to New Orleans or do you that's an absolute.

No, no, no. Absolutely. That's an absolute. In New Orleans, why not? I love New Orleans. It's like one of my favorite cities. It's fine. Great, but living there is hell.

I lived in New Orleans for 10 years. Right. The entire time. Yeah, from Michigan. The entire time I was there, I moved there as like a bit. You know what I mean? I didn't know anything about New Orleans except for Hurricane Katrina and Bourbon Street or Marty Green. I just didn't know.

And so then I moved there and I did love it. But I was like, I grew up being like, the South is weird and gross. And I'm, I should be British. You know what I mean? Like that's how fancy I am. So I became like kind of like a, oh, I'm like a crackhead, you know? And I was like, I'm just doing it as a bit. But for the first five years, I was like, I love it.

And then the second half that I was there, I was like, I moved back to Michigan like four times or something. I was like, I can't do it. And then I would hate it. Wait, where in Michigan are you from? I'm from like southwest Michigan. Like Kalamazoo. Cedar Rapids or Grand Rapids?

I moved to Grand Rapids. I tried to move to each point. It didn't work. But yeah, every time I go to New Orleans now, I keep going to New Orleans for a chokehole. and I love to see my friends every time I go there I'm like when I'm leaving I'm so emotional because I'm like I love my friends here

but being in New Orleans makes me feel cuckoo crazy there is this like perfect you do have an amazing for sure the people I know who've lived who are just like lifers there they do have a kind of manic or like I don't know

there's a certain disposition of people who are like there all the time but same thing in New York like any city It was such a bad fit for me the whole time that I just can't remove. All I have mostly there is like I just feel like I'm going back to like a feeling of really like 10 years of alcoholism or I knew I needed to leave but I couldn't do it. So when I go back there, I was like at Saturn Bar and ketamine and I got too high and I was like, oh my God, I'm like, I'm like, I live here. I live here again and like somehow I'll never connect

with any person ever again in my life and I was just like and that's when I was like I'm in Jazzy's green kitchen having a panic attack being like I don't know keep in mind this kitchen is like architectural digest

type beat TV show I don't know if he still does that or whatever but yeah it still looks like that shout out to them I love that group of people, honestly. Yeah.

I love New Orleans. I love New Orleans. I don't know if I could live there full time. You have a really good group of friends. Your core friends in New Orleans are like sweet good people who like and they and I love that whole. Chokehole is a drag wrestling show that if you

ever get the experience to see it in New York, the last time I saw you perform, the last time I saw you perform was Ladyland. I wasn't. there. I was sitting that one out. Oh, that was a We performed in time square in front of

the world's biggest hot dog. Love that. Beautiful. Oh, I remember that. I remember seeing that. The best thing about the last joke all I saw was it was on the anniversary of 9-11 and they made a 9-11 joke and about half of the audience really audibly gassed

as if it was like offensive, but it was so funny. Yeah, it's a fun time. They booed they booed Caroline Polichick at that show and the Christine Aguilera fans were pissed that she had to

open for Christine Aguilera. We went, we all went to a Caroline Polichick concert in New Orleans right, you know, like when we thought we all loved her and we all kind of just we all kind of decided while it was happening that we just couldn't stand her.

I was like, I love ping. I love ping. I was like, I love I like her previous work. I love paying so much. I did like, I did like, chairlift when I was like literally 19. Yeah. But I do think there's something with Caroline

Polichick. It's also the same thing with Rosalia where there is this really desperate. I don't like either. Well, I have a fondness for both of them. I think they're both like extremely talented and I think they're both like very technically good at what they do. But there is this there is this like really kind of

cloying a theater kid need. There's a simultaneous need from both of them to be very not good musicians, not perceived as good musicians, but cool. They both are desperately, desperately, desperately, trying to feel to appear as, like, cool and cutting

edge and high brow, while also, like, popular. She just wasn't catching anyone's attention. I feel like the whole audience was just like, why is this weird girl singing on and say? It's like, we want to get out of here. Well, and it's so controlled.

It's like they have this kind of, like, they have like a really curated and really controlled image, and sound that like makes sense for like a Beyonce or like a Taylor Swift. People who are like essentially like corporations. Yeah. They're they're doing the same thing and it's like well you can't do that and also you're like all on guard and cool.

Yeah. Yeah. So just be a crazy Indian you know. I believe women. I believe some. I believe. Okay. Okay.

I believe so. Yeah. Um, Nicole, could you tell us about your music pop star life quickly as well as your up your cleaning business available in New York? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that I even want to.

You don't have to if you don't want to. John is asking if you have anything. Just ask me if you have anything. You want to shout out before. Yeah, just my Instagram. My Instagram is unclocally me. Unclocally underscore me. And if you want to contact me to do anything,

I'll do anything for money if you just DM me. I'll do any. As long as it's at least $100. It doesn't matter what I'll do it. So that's the pitch for my cleaning service. Okay, guys. I'll just do it. And the music,

I have music on all this streaming stuff is Nicole's Revenge, but it's like a sore subject right now because I just canceled something I was supposed to do two days when I was going to perform. And I was like, I'm making new music. And then I didn't do it.

And now I'm like, well, I don't want to do it. So, sorry. I didn't know that. No, it's okay. Do whatever the hell you want, girl. Yeah. Well, look, I think everyone should go download I'm having

sex with Santa Claus that's so not even the one either that's that's that's like 15 years old let the girl let the girl pitch her own products rock well can I just say one thing she's been working on her

music for like a hundred years like since I first met you you were a garage band Difa making pop music far yeah you're right everyone listen to my music. Everyone listen. This feels like 2012, 2013 or something

so long ago. Yeah. I mean, I started making music when I was like 14 and I've just been like cranking away it since but I just I just recently in my life haven't reached the goal I set for myself to make me music so I'm just like devastated by myself. You'll do it. You'll do it. You're so talented

that music. Yeah, it's fine. I just I'm just like, I don't want to plug my Santa song, I mean, maybe I should. Go on YouTube. Go on YouTube.com. Garlic Jr. I want Santa to fuck me.

It's really good. There's like a full, there's like a full music. It's actually, Jack, you're so right. There's like a full music video. It's amazing. It's good. It's a classic. It's years before I transitioned, and I look so fished.

I look amazing. Period. Period. Period. All right, everyone, go stream Nicole's revenge. Everyone cower at Nicole's Revenge and Garlic Jr. Cower at her beauty. And we'll be back next week.

We'll be back later this week on Patreon. Until then, goodbye, everyone. Nicole, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Bye.