Segments - 581: Born Rick (w/ Charlie Bardey and Natalie Rotter-Laitman)

Episode Date: February 27, 2023

In this episode we discuss posture, bangs, and financial fitness with Charlie Bardey and Natalie Rotter-Laitman of Exploration: LIVE!, a podcast joining Headgum Wednesday, March 8th. Listen to new episodes every week on Spotify, Apple, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts! Follow Exploration: LIVE! on Instagram and Twitter. Follow Charlie on Instagram and Twitter. Follow Natalie on Instagram and Twitter. Advertise on If I Were You via Gumball.fm.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum original. Hello, if you're listening to this podcast before September 27th, 2024, we're doing a live show in Philadelphia. You can still buy tickets at headgum.com slash live. Hope to see you there. Nice. Try one more where it's clear that I'm like the star. There's a reason I didn't have you say anything. Yeah.

Because you're nervous, you're skittish, you're stuttering right now. right now i'm a little so i don't want you in this ad at all i don't want to be steamrolled but i know i won't be recording one in fact for you asking that i'm going to keep this part in don't this part is now edit this part out but let's do one clean ad no you will edit this part out you will absolutely edit this part out. Tell you what, I'm going to say my fucking social security number. So you have to edit it out. Okay. Let's hear it. 091-3662.

Now you have to edit it out. Keeping it in. But we'll see you guys there. No, no, no, no, no. Stand up. No. Dance for us. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, take your shirt off. Get comfortable. Have this wine. Thank you. Lovely. Then come home, give it fire, you would try They'll put their sparkle right back in your eyes And what could you do? Well, for one, they will make fun of you Like no other podcast would do That was great, but we should choose shorter theme songs

when we have new guests, I think. Because they didn't know how long it would last. Yeah, it's just uncomfortable. I didn't want to interrupt it because I felt like I wanted to respect the work of the production. But how long would you say that lasted? An hour?

An hour? Yeah, it was 90 seconds. Oh, sure, sure seconds i fell asleep and then how long was i out for kind of thing it's kind of like how a two and a half hour movie feels like 10 hours but like a 90 minute movie feels like it just flies by exactly so a 90 second theme song might as well be an hour yeah 60 seconds it's fine two and a half minutes uh anyway thanks to henry giles yes for writing that for us great thank you it makes me want to listen to mac demarco wow so you knew that was a mac demarco

parody yeah well having never listened to mac demarco before i could sense it was mac demarco right just from the vibes listen to mac demarco yeah would you say you knew what song he was parodying yeah probably good good times yeah oh good times by mac demarco yeah yeah it's called no other heart oh that's right yeah i think good times was it's like the track right before that was yeah that's actually a really cool name for a song i think good times no no no other heart good times is like a beach boy song i imagine right that was back when they didn't name any songs yet. Because it was like Mozart's Fifth Symphony.

And then they were like, oh, we can title them. Like, let's call it Good Times. This one's like the fun one. This one's the sad one. Now you have to have really unique names. We're here with Natalie and Charlie. That's right. I nailed it.

That was easy. It's easy because you don't have weird names like well Amir thank god I mean if that happened to me I'd be I would just be like hey I'm here with and then point to you yeah I'd go Amir nice all American names and you are

you guys are hosting a podcast called Exploration Live that's coming to HeadGum that's right that's why we're here and it's exciting to HeadGum. Yeah. That's right. That's why we're here. Let's say it. That's why we're here. Let's say it. And it's exciting to have you guys here. Thanks.

We're excited to be here. The podcast already exists, but it's coming to HeadGum in March. Exactly. That's right. Yeah. Right now we're kind of more independent in each other's rooms.

Wow. Indie is actually, not to like urge you guys to leave HeadGum, but isn't Indie kind of cool? Indie is a cool vibe. No, and we're considering leaving. Really? Yeah. Because you guys to leave HeadGum, but isn't Indie kind of cool? Indie's a cool vibe. No, and we're considering leaving. Really? Yeah.

Because you guys haven't joined yet. Yeah. No, but we're just keeping it on the table. Yeah. We're excited to leave. Yeah. Well, it's been amazing. Yeah.

It's been such a crazy ride. To see the corporate side of things. Right. And then be like, that's not for us. Yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah, we were Indie at one point. Yeah. And then we sort of sold out. Yeah. Then not for us yeah exactly right yeah we were indie at one point and then we sort of sold out then we were indie again then we were indie then we

started head gum is which is like sort of kind of indie yeah yeah yeah india then you become the suit which isn't cool either what can you do right um we can't wait to be the suits yeah and honestly we didn't really we couldn't wait to sell out in a way Well, cuz it was like we were so into the idea of being indie and then it's like we're like, okay Who's gonna do like the mixing and like producing of it? Yeah, we have to do that. Oh, that can't work Yeah saying indie is cool. Yeah being indie kind of sucks Yeah, cuz then you have to do shit. Yeah. Can you imagine us like on the board? No.

And that's what we were doing. Right. Mailing air checks to an advertiser. We used to have to do that. Yeah, you would, we would cold email like Frank and Oak. Yeah, our two buddies. Here's our traffic stats. Can you send over copies so we can run an ad?

Wow. Yeah. It was so indie. It was so indie. But it was indie in a not cool way so i would like fill out tax paperwork yeah nobody tells you that that's part of indie right 1099s are as indie as it gets yeah but that's not fun indie no no and by the way we're not rocking with taxes we are we are there's always one person that does sorry we are. No, we are. There's always one person that does the taxes.

Sorry, we are. We're like, we are not doing it. I'm like, we are it. That's right. You need one person to do the taxes. Amir was my you.

Yeah, exactly. Well, I like to stay in my feminine power with my dynamic with Charlie in that I don't look at numbers and I have more of a nurturing mother. But you wear the headphones,

which is a masculine role in our relationship. I do wear the headphones. You're watching the levels. I am, and I have more of like a nurturing mother but you wear the headphones which is a masculine role in our relationship that's true I do wear the headphones you're watching the levels I am and often I wear the headphones and I'm watching levels and then the pot

will listen back and it sounds horrible oh I see so you shouldn't have been doing that so I'm more playing pretend in my headphones and I'm like

who is watching no it's not plugged in no you guys are also being audited right yeah no yeah so the taxes aren't

going well either no no no we're actually you're audited right yeah no yeah so the taxes aren't going well either no no no we're actually you're actually taking on a sinking ship yeah your debt is now

our debt yeah you told the agent that you don't fuck with taxes no we don't that was sort of the first red flag

right I said that on a podcast yeah that was my issue this one yeah all this stuff you're saying

is actually pretty scary to me and I know it's jokes but then every time you're like you're being audited i was like like what do you know no no it's not we're not being on 2019 if i'm ever audited you guys will never see me again yeah we're toast it's a black box right there's no yeah we can't get the expenses alone if we got audited i think the auditor would give up. They would just be so annoyed with us not able to find anything. I mean, I log into Citibank and they're like, we only got like 18 months of records.

I'm like, okay, so what happens if they want to see shit from 2019? They're like, where were you then? I don't know. I can look on my phone. I obviously stole the money. That's what I was doing. How much do I owe to make you go away? You're like looking at your camera roll. You're like, I went to a taco place in 2018 if that helps i didn't take a picture of

the receipt but maybe they still have it it's not healthy to live in the past like that so yeah you under oath i'm already worried about 2024 taxes and you guys are fucking bringing up old shit yeah right i look forward. Yeah. Speaking of looking forward, Henry Giles says, if you use this song, please wish my friend Patrick a happy birthday. I mean, this is just,

he's giving us too much credit or kind of taking advantage of us. If it's possible, could you please use this song on the episode that will come out on February 13th? Because that will be as close to Patrick's birthday as possible. I guess no promises. We can't do that. We can't do shit on Henry's

timeline. After we record, it's beyond our control. We're like, fuck, okay, we can move stuff around, I guess. We're here with guests. Is it possible to move your podcast up? There's no way, right? Yeah, of course. So you guys will have to record just to make... By the way, it'll still be a birthday message.

We're still saying happy birthday, but he just wants it to come out before. Before the birthday. I guess so he can get absolved of giving any other gift or something. Yeah, I think you can hold the boundary. We will play the song, but we will do it on our timeline. Whether that's February 23rd or... By the way, I don't even know if february 13th is a monday our episodes come out on monday i bet i oh it is a monday yeah henry did the

research okay monday yeah you know valentine's day i know that's a monday because valentine's day is a tuesday wow i'm very keyed into love and the dynamics that love how do you know that valentine's day is a tuesday um it's it's not a fun story i'm gonna be i'm gonna i was gonna go to la with jill but then she had she like got a meeting for monday and she's like but i'll fly out tuesday and i was like okay and then she was like and so i'll be there for valentine's day so now i'm aware that she's coming to la on tuesday love is so beautiful like the logistics of it there's no way that like the meeting had nothing to do with it but somehow she's flying on

valentine's day right it's just like oh my god which is actually so romantic like i'm getting on a plane oh my god well the meeting is like a date with another guy but still it's it's romantic just that she makes time for both of us and the flight is a spirit airlines flight with two layovers that'll get rained out in

dallas stewardess i'm sorry that's not the term anymore And the flight is a Spirit Airlines flight with two layovers. That'll get rained out in Dallas. Maybe the stewardess. I'm sorry, that's not the term anymore. Flight attendant? From the 50s, yeah. Maybe the broad who brings the drinks will wear a little heart. Smoking a cigarette. You could say stewardess. Okay, maybe the stewardess will wear a little heart glasses.

That's what I was going to say. But this is like also your thing of like, like the way you really know you're in a relationship is because that's you have someone to text when you like like take off and land oh yeah and that's really like the relationship thing and when you're not in a relationship you either text no one or your mom yeah that's natalie's joke and idea that's really well boarded taxi yeah my mom gets those texts and she's like okay let's be dating you can just text me tomorrow and say where you are made it right exactly yeah right we deplaned yeah he's like shut up my back hurts. All right, queen. Go off. Waiting for my bag.

They made me gate check. I don't care. I love it. So this is If I Were You, the only advice podcast on the internet hosted by Jake and I. And usually it's just me and Jake. And today we have two very funny guests with us. We rarely have two guests. Yeah. I know. Well, We rarely have two guests. Yeah.

I know. Well, I would, yeah. Because, well I know the podcast, but also because when we came in, we were like, where should we sit? And everybody was kind of like, well, we've never had two guests before. And our studio is also shallow.

Yeah. Yeah. People were pretty stumped on it. Yeah. We're at capacity. Yeah. But that's fine. God forbid there's another guest right wanders in right now

There's no way we'd be toast. They'd have to be small and sit very like yeah, or we could do laps Yeah, that's cool. And we do labs those microphones and laughs laughs and laughs. It's a cool idea for a podcast amazing party theme Podcast is a funny party theme to everyone you're sure. Everyone's laughed and you're making a podcast the entire time. Everyone's like talking. Everyone's doing a Squarespace ad read and stuff. Yeah, it's like Harry's Razors, blah, blah, blah. This is also unprecedented.

We got an email from somebody whose entire question is in the subject of the email. Oh. Usually like pontificate and wax poetic in the body of the email. It takes a long time to read. We got one succinct little question in one email subject. It's actually from a lady who we don't want to out because we're going to give her a fake name.

Charlie, what should we refer to this lady as? Samantha. That's classic. That's too sweet. That's really good. It came to me so easily. And it felt really right. I think you were channeling.

I like my eyes go white. Samantha. The question is, my boyfriend is probably addicted to weed. Is that bad? Oh my God. Is that bad? Not bad. Not bad.

Yeah, I think not bad. Not bad. Not bad. Not bad. Addicted to weed though. That's really good. That's actually incredible. That's a really good sign.

That's amazing. Wait, it sounds like you bagged a chiller. Where's the problem? Are you guys weedsmans? Getting high like every day. Yeah. Wow, you really did turn 40. Are you guys Weedsmans? Getting high like every day. My God. You really did turn 40.

I'm a cop. You're a Weedsman. Weedsman's actually really new. Really? So you might be like 17. Oh, damn. That's dope. Do you pass the dutchie on the left-hand side? Puff-puff pass style?

I do smoke, but like a little less lately. But I also often worry that I'm addicted to weed. I can talk to this girl. Basically, don't leave him. He needs you. You start crying?

He's trying to tell you. Just because someone has a relationship with you, you still need someone to text when it takes off. Right. I remember when I was in high school, potentially when you were two, it was all like,

you actually can't get addicted to weed. I was about to ask. And that kind of changed a little bit. Right. I, by the way, have had periods in my life where I'm like, maybe it's not like quote addicted, but it's like,

I am doing this too much all the time every day. And that is maybe not amazing. We're getting into sem like, I am doing this too much all the time every day. Yeah. And that is maybe not amazing. We're getting into semantics, whether my body is chemically feeding for it or if I just literally want to do it all the time. Right. Exactly. Because, I mean, yeah.

Well, don't people, like everyone reacts to weed differently too. Yeah. Like it makes me more anxious, so I don't really like it. But there's a lot of anxious people who smoke and aren't anxious. Yeah. So like that's. It calms them down. Yeah.

That's somebody that I would want to be addicted to weed because they're addicted to being more normal around me. I kind of split the difference. Be addicted to chilling the fuck out. Are you addicted to just being cool? Yeah. I split the difference on that and I'm anxious, but weed makes me more anxious,

but then I still do it a lot. It's kind of a different way in between that. No, I'm like that too with like coffee makes me more anxious and I don't ever stop drinking that. No, for sure between that. I like that too. It's like coffee makes me more anxious. Yeah, exactly. I don't ever stop drinking that. No, for sure. Yeah. I don't know. Every day though, would you get high every day?

I have at times. Every day. Like my iPod stuck on replay. Replay, lay, lay, lay, lay, lay, lay, lay. Yeah. That should be your last joke. You should die. Do you guys know Iaz?

The song Iaz. It's called Replay. I have advice. Oh, yeah. Whoa, this is also unprecedented. I just came up with the idea of like someone had a problem. Like, why not actually give sort of some ideas? I usually feel too uncomfortable to go for it.

By the way, I'm going to overstep. Well, it sounds like the problem is that you're not feeling connected when he's smoking. And so maybe you need to be a little bit either more involved in it or find a high activity to do together. Get into a puzzle. It's like, is the problem that he's getting high all the time? Or is that when he gets high, he's like watching commercial compilations on YouTube without you? His life is perfect. Your advice is to get high as much as, if not more.

Yeah, match up, match up. Sounds like you're behind a little bit. But that's kind of it. I feel like every single problem is that you're not addicted to it. Right. All the problems that come into our show can be solved by communicating. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

That's, and like, that's exactly, like, communicate, connect, find a way that the boyfriend can still smoke weed and you can be fine with it. Right. Maybe he's like like it's like he needs the time to smoke weed alone. He also needs to smoke weed with Samantha as we've established. So maybe he needs to cut something else like school or like something else. Taking up too much time. So quit his job.

Arriving to work on time. I'm picturing him 15, by the way. Yeah. Let me just instead look like I don't know how he's intaking this weed, but, like, if it's edible, you know, there's a difference between, like, I come home and he's, like, sitting on the couch, like, ripping a bong. Yeah. Right? Like, and the whole place smells or whatever. Right.

But if he just, like, eats a gummy or something. Yeah. Maybe she won't even know that he's having it. Right. Yeah. just like eats a gummy or something yeah um maybe she won't even know that he's high right yeah i feel like there's a dynamic too where it's like my boyfriend is is addicted to weed it's like okay that's like a boy who's like you know what you're thinking like it's like okay well he's not he's not being a man right are we feeling that you need a man friend, sister. I want him drinking a scotch meat.

Literally, what do you mean? And yelling at the radio. My boyfriend is addicted to weed. It's like, okay, well, he's not providing. Right. He's playing video games. No, exactly. He should be an alcoholic.

He needs to be doing cocaine. He needs to be going to work. Adult drugs. Yeah, I feel maybe there's a gender dynamic where it's like, if he had a high power job and weed was helping him maximize, all good. High power. Right.

Exactly. He needs to be going to business meetings, coming home after several martini. You need to be Don Draper. He needs to drive home drunk from the city to the car sale. So we saw the two options are find a way to connect while he's high or have him develop a drinking problem. Yeah, it's hard to do alcohol and weed constantly at the same time.

You sort of have to choose one lane. You have to pick a lane, which is sad. It sucks. It's very sad. It's awful. There have been times in my life where I've really pushed up against that limitation. Oh, yeah.

You're getting both. Again, freshman year of college, I was like, let's see what we can do with this. People always say that it's like one or the other. You were a double major. Yeah, I was a double major. With a minor. Very boundary breaking, Charlie. And people really respected it.

Of course. They were like, wow, you can really have it all, huh? Where did you go to school? Yale. Wow. You can really have it all, huh? Where did you go to school? Yale. Wow. Let's say that. Well, I went to, I'm just, we can talk about how I went to Yale, too. You didn't go to Yale.

Well, not, I grew up in New Haven. Okay. And I went to, yeah, I was like in the Yale, I feel like we both spent time in Yale campus. Yeah. What college were you in? Wait, whoa. Silliman. Silliman.

Oh, very nice. You know what that one is? Yeah, Silliman. There's Trumbull. There's Danbury, I think. Yeah. What is? Dorms? Yeah, whoa. Silliman. Silliman. Oh, very nice. You know what that one is? Yeah, Silliman. There's Trumbull. There's Danbury, I think. What are the dorms? Yeah, I attended all of them. You went to those dorms?

I went to, not recently. Not recently. But I did, yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Actually, I think my mom went to Silliman. Really?

Yeah. Or maybe Brantford. We'll talk. Yeah. Let's talk offline. This is all checking out. Yeah. You're saying like as a high schooler, you would go hang out there? No, as a college student. really yeah or maybe brantford we'll talk yeah let's talk this is all checking out yeah you're saying like as a high schooler you would go hang out there as a no as a college student um i had

a job uh at chapel sweet shop which i think was not around by the time you got there no i don't know about that ice cream store on chapel street though sounds amazing though yeah right near the starbucks yeah it's an amazon fire stick store now so It's an AI chat bot selling you Amazon. Oh, that was there when I was young. Yeah. It's even sadder. They were never able to rent the space. So another store down the street just has mannequins with dresses in it.

So the store itself is an advertisement to another store a block away. The downtown area there can be kind of grim, actually. And they try to hide it too like yeah the patagonia store just closed and they just like boarded it up with like a picture of another store and they're just like there wasn't anything here it's here now but yeah kind of relax about that yeah patagonia is going under are they really i. Oh. They were too good to the environment. They need to adopt the Zara model. Right.

Yeah. That's great. You actually weren't asking. You said it as a statement. Right. No, I remember that. But I thought, yeah, I don't know what I thought. That's awesome.

You were testing. I was testing, yeah. You said a thing and you were like, I wonder if people are going to be like, right. Of course we know. I actually thought everyone was going to laugh hysterically. Pretend I didn't say anything. That's my expectation. And then you guys followed up and I was like, why is this happening?

I was like, why is this happening? I was like, why is this happening? I was like, why is this happening? I was like, why is this happening? I was like, why is this happening? I was like, I wonder if people are going to be like, right, of course we know. I actually thought everyone was going to laugh hysterically. Pretend I didn't say anything. That's my expectation. And then you guys followed up and I was like, why isn't it looking at me? I was concerned because I loved how it was going. Alright, let's take a break. Thank some sponsors, pay some taxes. We'll come back with more questions

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the results. It's G-U-M dot F-M slash S-E-G-M-E-N-T-S. Cool. Sorry, I have to spell it out for some people. Yeah, you do. And we're back. Hey, Natalie and or Charlie, do you guys have any? Oh, it's a lesson mom I'm coming gross sorry about that and you guys made that one I didn't know that was

that actually was Mac DeMarco himself okay yeah that was Adam yeah yeah anything you guys. Anything you guys, any wisdom you guys have to offer?

Well, I don't know. I mean, you went to Yale. You obviously have your shit together. Where did you go to school? Northwestern. That's also really fucking good too.

Jesus. Thanks guys. Damn it. I was hoping it would be like where Jake went to school or something. Where did I go to school? I don't know. Fucking Moravian

or some small ass school in Pennsylvania. I never graduated. So you can say I just dropped out. Yeah. Yeah. I go to school? I don't know, fucking Moravian or some small-ass school in Pennsylvania. I never graduated, so you could say I just dropped out. Yeah, any unsolicited? Yeah, well, this is something that's, like, kind of sincere, which is my advice is I recently stopped sleeping with my phone in my room, and I

got, like, a little alarm clock. And it actually is amazing. Yeah. Because I have really bad, like, impulse control. Always grabbing where you think your phone is, and it's not there anymore. Exactly. Because I really bad like impulse control. Always grabbing what you think your phone is and it's not there anymore. Exactly. And so instead I spend a lot of time scrolling in my alarm clock. Kidding.

No. It's impossible. That's a good joke. Thank you. Mine, mine. Dibs, dibs. No, I want a dibs. Dibs, dibs, dibs, dibs, dibs, dibs. All right.

She got it. She got it. Seriously. And you guys, I said dibs. Yeah. She did say dibs. Let me try it right now I'm scrolling on my alarm clock

the head gum happy hour tonight yeah oh yeah good opening well may the best man win wait so you raced to get it out

so when do you where do you put your phone and then like how much time do you spend in your room before you pass out I like put it in the living room

kind of before I go to bed and then I like you know go to bed and then I like you know go to bed and I read like two pages of a book and then try to fall asleep yeah fitfully for like an hour and being like I wish I had my phone. Let me check my text, maybe there's something on there. Yeah and waking up must be better too because you're not instantly Yeah and you know the thing is like I had such a hard time waking up because I'd be on my phone forever, and now I wake up pretty easily

because I wanna check my phone. And I'm like, I gotta get to that thing. Let me get that thing. That's really smart. Otherwise you're just grabbing it, you're like, for the first 48 minutes of your day, you're just like, ugh. Exactly, it's like really not,

it was really like I was late all the time, and now it's an amazing incentive to get up. No phone in bed is a good rule that I definitely will not do. Totally. That's a really good rule, yeah. I sometimes do phone and laptop in bed. That's really good. Phone, laptop.

And a iPad. iPad. You're basically sunning with blue light. You have two Apple Watches as an iPad. Cucumbers. Both vibrating on your face. I always think about what my dog must think of like me just like walking around holding a brick. Just like walking around staring at a candy bar.

Yeah. Sitting down and looking at this thing. My dog notices. It's so funny. Like he's so engaged. We're like, we'll play with each other, you know, throwing a ball, whatever. And then I start looking at my phone and he just like, and I'm still throwing the ball. Like I'm doing.

And he's like, no, you're not present. Yeah. He punishes me for that. He like where are you yeah he knows oh okay so we can't have eight minutes of fun without yeah okay is it that important what's going on on instagram it always is instagram it's not like anything i'm not like responding to anything interesting. Natalie? Yeah. Okay, my advice is, I think like when you're like at dinner with someone and you're trying to figure out what to talk about. That's good. You should play a game.

Oh. I'm a big game person. And I feel like. Did you say you're a big game hunter? Yes. That's shooting big animals, right? Yeah. I love to shoot like a lion or a deer or like an elephant or a giraffe.

Cecil the lion was you. You were on that trip. Yeah, I killed Cecil. That's awesome. And that's how I got this podcast. Yeah. And what we do on the podcast is we talk about Cecil dying. Right.

Week to week. Is that the one who Jimmy Kimmel cried about? Yeah. Okay. That was funny. That actually didn't work for me when he cried about that lion. Okay.immy kimmel cried about yeah okay that was funny that actually didn't work for me no no he cried about that line okay yeah yeah he cried about both he cried about both the sun the sun that was like shout out yeah yeah yeah what's an example of a game you can play at dinner okay i like to play this game where it's like i'm gonna think of someone that we both know

and then you play 20 questions to guess who it is. Oh, that's fun. And it's fun because it has some gossipiness to it because they're like, are they funny? And you're like, no. Oh, that's good. Like, guess who, but with personality. Or like, do I want to fuck them? And you're like, I think yeah. Oh, interesting.

I think you do, like that. So that's kind of fun. That's a great game. Yeah. Better than your shitty ass fucking one. What was it? What did you say? On alarm clock or something?

Yeah, I take it back. You said throw your phone in the dumpster? I read that in a promoted ad under an article that was like ways to sleep better. That's where I got it from. I'm going to say this on the podcast. Wait, I'm going to go back to that for a second because I did something where I bought a sun lamp. Do you guys know those? Is that the one that gradually gets lighted?

Yeah, it gradually, like the sun rises. If you set your alarm for like eight, the sun from the lamp will start rising at like six or whatever and then you're supposed to like wake up and then i started wearing an eye mask the sun gradually rises i do not see any of it and then i wake up with my alarm clock shocked to be awake i think when my unsolicited advice one time was an eye mask. Do you wear one? Yeah, I do. It changed the way I sleep.

It's amazing. It's so good. It's like my first week. Oh, yeah. So do you remember your first week? I do remember my first week. I used to get up and I just thought that I like, oh, you know, I wake up and I have to pee in the middle of the night.

But I never actually do now. Wait, literally? That's exactly what I'm experiencing. Yeah. But you don't have to pee anymore in the middle of the night because you're wearing an eye mask? Well, it turns out I thought I was being awoken by having to pee. Right. And I was like going to be like, okay, I'm not allowed to drink water after five.

Like I was about to do something drastic. Yeah. That's dangerous. By the way, that's exactly when you need water. Yeah. After five. That's when you need to do both. And then, but then no, it turns out it's like you're just kind of awake already

because it's like the city is not somewhere you're supposed to live. Right, you wake up then you notice. Yeah. Yes, that's definitely true. Okay.

Literally, that's such a slave for us and I wish you guys could connect. Yeah, I'm not really an eye mask guy. But maybe you need to be. You have a Kutramantho.

You have a grind guard. I love my grind guard. Oh, then fill out the whole picture. I want to block every single possible orifice. Actually, I've been doing breathe right strips too. Oh, really?

Were you going to get tested for a deviated septum? I did. And I did get tested for that. And what'd they say? My septum is not deviated whatsoever. Really? The issue is my nasal cavity valves or whatever. There's not a lot of opening yeah they're small and

constricted so you're trying to snatch this so breathe right strips is like a way of like expanding the curtains does it work uh in theory it should but i have to practice nose breathing during the day so that i breathe through my nose at night because i breathe through my nose during the day and then so at night i'm just like mouth open breathing wait i love when they're like it's like in theory it works it's like yeah yeah and in scientific yeah wait so you breathe i don't breathe through my nose during the day you don't no and so your mouth is open right now it's kind of like open slash talking slash i'm getting enough air yeah as i'm like living my life i'm a mouth breather.

That's correct. And then when I try to look around, sometimes when we were at dinner last night, I'm like, is anybody just sitting with their mouth closed just like this? Was anyone? For like an hour straight? That's normal, right? Like you would die.

I would die. I would die before I sniffed. Let me ask you nose correct breathers because that is what you're supposed to do. During a movie, mouth closed the entire two hours straight. Literally? Like this?

For sure. I think so. I think that's what I'm doing. Never airing it out. There's no bad breath. You're never just like... I actually don't know. You know what I mean? Like maybe. There's another thing

you don't pay attention to. Tongue posture. I found out recently you're supposed to have it resting at the top of your mouth. Resting at the top? How does that even work?

Doesn't gravity lower your tongue to the bottom of your mouth? That's interesting. Resting at the top makes your mouth closed all the time. But like that's not

resting for me then. They need to be maybe tongues are actually like helium filled. That's a. Resting at the top makes your mouth closed all the time. But that's not resting for me then. Maybe tongues are actually helium filled. That's a game changer. My life is new now. You're supposed to have your mouth closed and to have your tongue resting at the top of your mouth. I'm really scared to be thinking about my tongue right now. What's the consequence?

But try it because it feels right. To be tongue at top? It's just a better way to breathe. I don't think there's that much room in there for it to be like a distinction between top and bottom but i'm always right i'm letting gravity do the work mouth open wait do you know like what the consequences are for doing it wrong there's there's consequences to mouth breathing yeah it's like um snoring snoring and like poor sleep it's funny because it's like all these things that i don't have but like

i maybe i'll develop one day oh but you don't have any issues right now like gum disease because like you're constantly breathing out like air in and out of your gums yeah and then at night like sleep apnea because your mouth is open right you're not supposed to sleep well but i like sleep very deeply you're like a miracle yeah they need to study you yeah but yeah breathe right strips like open it up and it's like i'm not gonna wear them all day and then practice nasal breathing during the day but i should maybe when i'm at home and then it convinces your brain that's like this is okay some people to teach themselves how to breathe with their nose

at night tape their mouth shut. Oh yeah. I actually, yeah, exactly. I actually saw a TikTok that was like, if you don't even think you're a mouth breather, tape your mouth shut and your life is about to become amazing. I'm curious if I would die. I bet I'm watching movies,

like a mouth open the whole time. I bet. Yeah, but I- You said that now and I'm like, that sounds actually kind of right. Like I'm watching like- At rest. Oh. That would be watching. At rest. Oh.

That would be watching a way of water. Oh my God. Actually, can you breathe through your nose if your mouth is open? I think it only exists when your mouth is closed. No, dude. You don't know anything about the nose. I don't know how it works. Can you?

Like we can. We can. We can. Your tongue has to be closing. You can't have an open mouth valve and then you decide nose. You can. Okay, so keep your tongue at the bottom of your mouth so that your airway for your mouth is open and then try to breathe through your nose.

See, this is your pivot to an ENT. Cut off and then it goes through your nose as a secondary. I'm sorry I was saying you were wrong. No, I like it. I like to be wrong. But we'll talk after the podcast because that was really fucked up. Alright, enough

about our noses and mouths. It's mostly your noses. And my mouth. Should we play one of your games? Oh, yeah. And do you do it on dates is my question. Well, it's fun when you know the same people.

Right. And I don't, I wouldn't play a game on a date because that's like, on like a first date because that's like, loser shit. Yeah, I know for sure.

For sure, I was going to say, I was going to say you're a loser. No, I know. But I wait till I kind of trap someone a little bit more and then I'll roll out the games, yeah. But you do even simpler games. We'll be like waiting in line for something and Natalie, it'll be like, what number am I thinking of? Yes. Oh, wow.

One of my friends and I during COVID, like early, early lockdown played a game over text that was what number am I thinking of? And all the texts are like four, no, 74 like this any number yeah actually you play a game you like to guess people's birthdays yeah i'm a good birthday so why don't you try to guess oh okay is it astrological at all for you or i don't know anything about astrology okay so it's really i'm strictly numbers scientific i think astrology is kind of a hoax but like my ability to nail down sort of vibes that I'm getting is absolutely real.

I've seen it get close many times. That's cool. Have you ever actually gotten one? So I didn't think I have until recently. I went to a party and someone's like, we met before because you guessed my birthday correctly. Whoa. Yeah. And I'm like, wow, I don't even remember that. I bet you could guess a lot of things about that person then right if i already if i'm getting a vibe

yeah oh now the pressure's on yeah august 5th that's yeah okay just that warm up that's a warm up i deserve a warm up yeah you do your like closest friends and family and you're like almost right okay I'll start with Natalie yeah

obviously yeah what if I'm totally wrong I know what a bad I'm nervous about like the shape you were just making with your mouth

yeah well I'm that was off I was just breathing it's okay okay I'm I'm sensing

I know you're gonna get it right okay really yeah I can tell Jesus I don, okay. I'm sensing. I know you're going to get it right. Really? Yeah, I can tell. Jesus. I don't know why I'm feeling it. Are you going to say yes no matter what? No. No.

No. You wouldn't do that. I'm like going through the months over your head and I'm trying to see which one fits the best. Yeah, you're going to get it. Really? No, actually. That might throw you off.

Yeah, because it's sort of a long shot. Even getting the month is kind of rare. I don't think it goes with me that well. Oh, I see. Because I was not getting a summer vibe. You were not. I was not. Okay, you're right about that.

So it's not the summer. Because I was thinking I'm actually super summery. I would never guess July 15th for you. You wouldn't. I would not. Exactly. Yeah, that's totally not her. You're really good at guessing what someone's like.

Not. What someone's like. Okay, so you're actually good. Because I was thinking like, okay, I'm kind of like peppy and sweet and like amazing like he's gonna get the summer no you're dark you're right yeah yeah yeah no totally not like totally right yeah but like sort of winter adjacent kind of like uh november 11th no shoots and not really at all. You cry a lot. You don't even get me. I really thought. November 11th.

What is that, fucking bettering today? Oh, you think I'm some Thanksgiving idiot? You want to guess? Let's see who's closer. When she said it was incongruous, I was thinking October. Oh, interesting. So October 8th was the one that was in my head. But now it feels like it's a spring thing.

Oh, interesting. Well, I didn't like that face. Let's go October 9th. No, sorry. It is a spring thing. What the fuck? I was trying to knock it away. That's why you don't like taxes.

Oh, my God. When's the tax day? Exactly. That's why she's never done the taxes, because she's celebrating her birthday. I'm too busy. I'm going to fuck the fuck up. No, you guys. This sucks. It's March 24th. March 24th. That's a good one. done the taxes because she's celebrating her birthday April 15 up. No you guys this sucks. It's March 24 Yeah, I don't like it that much yeah, that's a good one actually my brother is 324 right around there all right

That's right moving on to Charlie Now this one's tough Really I want you to get it like perfectly spot on including my day god could you imagine that's what I want I'm not exactly sure

myself June 4th no just out of the fucking blue but there is something about that that is right holy shit

alright Jake with that in mind that might be a little bit actually hard to let's go it does did you not know holy shit she didn't know i knew the month i don't really know people's birthdays yeah and i know yours is one of two days right we just said it yeah it's gotta be now i know january right or july six whoa really close that's really close really

yeah wow it's because it was the four it was the four yeah and you actually yes you totally got 6th. Interesting. Really close. That's really close. Really? Yeah. Wow. Because it was the 4th. It was the 4th. And you actually, yes, you totally got that. You guys are smart as fuck. That's the New Haven stuff going on. That's that Yale rubbing off on you growing up in East Rock. Okay, can I say the actual day? April 11th.

April 11th. So you guys are close. Yeah, we are. We're both. Yeah. I actually get a little like Aries. Aries. Very good. we both are yeah when my birthday ends and it's time for charlie to start talking about what he's going to

do for his birthday it is a little hard for me yeah that's like when you have to throw the christmas tree away yeah like i'm like so it's really fucking over well it'll be also like now they will do like a fun bar thing yeah for her birthday and i'm like yeah i don't want to do like a bar thing for my birthday yeah right it's intense and like one day my birthday was like rainy or something

and you were like I really hope mine doesn't rain and I was kind of like well you don't always get like exactly what you want like I was just like

there's not enough turnover time for me to cleanse the palate and be like I can I'm ready but then there is by the time it comes

yes I do love your birthday yeah well yeah it's okay it's always sunny we never do a boring bar thing yeah and I'm ready, but then there is by the time it comes. I do love your birthday. Yeah, well, yeah. It's okay. It's always sunny and we never do a boring bar thing. Are you guys the same age? Like when you turn that age?

No, I'm a year older. So you turn an age and then he's not even there. And then I'm like, you'll see. Well, actually what happens is usually Charlie's like, I can't believe I'm this age. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm older. I just had turned from that age to the next one already. Yeah, I'm like, call me when you're 28 like what the fuck i turned from that age yeah exactly already yeah i'm like call me

when you're 28 what the fuck yeah i think you'll be turning 27 soon yeah yeah so no problem yeah yeah i thought 27 was old yeah i do it was awesome i do feel like because then you still got several years in your 20s yeah so far away from death Several. So far away from death. Totally. You're super close to death. I'm 40. Yeah. Yeah. That's good.

That's midlife, would you say, right? 40 is what I thought old people died at when I was 27. They used to. Yeah, they used to die. They should be dead.

But now, I mean, God forbid, we're going to live to be like 260. Yeah. We'll be begging for death. Yeah, I read that the first person to live

to be 500 is alive right now. Are you serious? Yeah. They know who it is, too. She's adorable. It's some 400-year-old nurse in India. She's fucking... She's in perfect health.

Yeah. She's still doing gymnastics and shit. God, I would kill you to be your age. Dude. Really? I'm serious. What? To breathe through my nose.

Yeah, plus I'm a mouth breat breather so my teeth will be gone shortly in short order they're already whittling down seriously a movie goes by mouth closed the entire time i believe so tongue and rest on the top perfect posture yeah i think perfect pot posture is one where it's like they're like you're supposed to stand like this. I'm like, if you want to get beat up, like, if you have perfect posture, you look like a loser. Like, who sits like that? Like, be cool. I know, right? Slouch.

Perfect posture means my lower back will hurt in 20 seconds. That's perfect to you? Totally. And they're like, well, because we're at computers, like, we're all slunch, slumped. It's like, yeah, no, we're at computers. Our bodies are adjusting. It's good, actually. Yeah, evolutionary-

This is evolution. That should take off. Exactly. Yeah, we used to run all the time and not wear shoes. It's like now our feet are soft and our backs are round. And our shoes are awesome. And our shoes are amazing. And I have Uber Eats.

And I don't need to hunt, right? No, exactly. Yeah, we're at odds with our evolutionary... Big game hunter. That's right. But that's more for fun and for rugs. Fun and rugs. Rugs with a giant head on it. We should have shown up today with a big fucking lion rug for you guys.

Thank you so much. Oh my god. That is awesome. Like I shot this on the coffee table no no no no and then trying to be like oh this is nothing oh my god this we just got this it's like whatever we have like a million of these at home seriously you're doing us a favor crossbow yeah uh all right let's take another break and we really have to answer questions yeah i want to. This is ridiculous.

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What do you got for me, birthday-wise? What are you feeling? What vibes are you sensing? Oh, September 11th. That's really good. My parents' anniversary. That is your parents' wedding anniversary. Oh, no.

2001, yeah. Really? No. I'm getting stuck on Natalie's birthday, and I want to guess the same, but you would have had a reaction to that. Yeah. Oh, if it was March 24th,

I would have fucking flipped out. I'm not like... That's crazy! Yeah, so I don't... But that is what I'm feeling, so it's clouding it. Okay, but I'm going to say something that. Yeah. Oh, if it was March 24th, I would have fucking flipped out. I'm not like, that's crazy. Yeah. So I don't, but that is what I'm feeling. So I'm, it's clouding it.

Okay. But I'm going to say something else. Okay. And you guessed July. So I don't feel like it's that. Yeah. Or it is that you're projecting. Interesting.

July. Fourth. 21st. No, but it is. There's something right about it. You said July 21st. No, but it is. There's something right about it. Wait, you said July 21st? Yeah.

Okay. Back to me. September 12th. That's a really good guess. Really? No, it's January 18th. So almost my half birthday. Okay.

That's what I was picking up on. What the hell? Wait, and by the way, it was your birthday like a second ago. Yeah, last week. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh, so that's what's going on. That's why they are right now. Yeah, that we could have picked up on your birthday like a second ago. Yeah, last week. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh, so that's what's going on.

That's why. They are right now. Yeah, that we could have picked up on. I got it. Yeah. That puts the math. We can tell you're going through something. Yeah.

So you must have just had this. I've heard it just keeps getting better and better. That's awesome. That's cool that you hear that because I hear you turn 40 and then you start dying. Yeah. Like living, living, living, living, living.

Right. And then your body's like, this is as far as we can get evolutionarily. I think you peak physically. Yeah, you peak physically like more in your 30s yeah you've been on the decline for a few years yeah i mean i'm on the decline you know i have this idea okay that we were just talking about on our podcast that basically like something like when you're on a trip it's like only fun once enough of the trip has already happened that you've made enough memories that

it's like it could be over and then you start enjoying yourself and the rest it's just like you're like okay now we can chill and like have fun and I feel like maybe that's the vibe too it's like okay you've lived enough life you've done it and now you're like okay this is just chill you don't have to wonder about like what it will be

you're like okay this is it you can kind of settle in basically all of your good memories you've made already so now you have the rest of your life to kind of think about how good the trip was reminisce then that's when actually the trip happens cause it's like on the airport on the way back

you're like oh my god remember the trip but then actually something really fun happens and like duty free you know what I mean we did a fun riff there and you end up remembering that too I'm obsessed with when things are over it's like my favorite be free you know what i mean we did a fun riff there that's exactly right that's where i live right now i'm obsessed with when things are over it's like my favorite i love when things have like already happened god bless you wow i'm dying because do you like to reflect on things

because i just like i hate anticipation and while something's happening i honestly don't like it that much i love when things have already happened but that's i've heard the opposite where it's like the planning of the trip is more exciting than the trip itself i have holy shit it's the anticipation and we're planning and it's happening and then it's like we're at the airport and then it's like after that it's like yeah i'm the opposite like i'm all looking forward to a trip even like while i'm on the trip while i'm actively on the trip i'm like we were in italy this summer like riding bikes through italy best thing you could be doing i was like we should go to portugal what's wrong with me that is so funny we should go to portugal it's true that like whatever happens in your brain when you're

riding a bike through italy like if you can't reach nirvana like that's true that whatever happens in your brain when you're riding a bike through Italy, if you can't reach nirvana, that's your issue. Whatever comes to you in that moment, it's too much pressure. Oh my God. To be on a trip and you've invested all of this time in it and then you're there and it's like... It has to be perfect. It has to be perfect.

You're like, I can't capture all of it. I get it. You're like, we need to go to Portugal. We need to go to Portugal. We should go. You're screaming. This is nice, but it's not it. We should go to Portugal. It's like when you get to a restaurant, you're like, this is to go to Portugal. We need to go to Portugal. We should go. You're screaming. This is nice, but it's not it. We should go to Portugal.

Well, it's like when you get to a restaurant, you're like, this is the most exciting part of the day. And then you leave and you're just like, I feel full. I'm not happy anymore. Totally. Wow. It's all about the waiting and the getting there and the being there. Or the drive to Vegas and then the drive away are like two completely opposite things.

Yes. The drive there, when you drive with a group of people. I'm sorry, we have to go to the bathroom. No, that's correct. It's an exciting moment. And then the drive when you leave, you're like, I'm never going back. It's silent in the car. You know what I mean? When you're with a group of people, you're going on a friend

trip, and everyone's like, you have snacks. Whenever I'm in the drive back, everyone's like, even the driver's texting furiously. I'm jumping into a wall. They did that well in the movie Swingers, if you guys have seen that. It's like, Vegas, baby, Vegas.

And then on the way back, they're just like, dead inside. Yeah. During the day and 112 degrees out. All right, another question. Right. Enough already. Yeah. We have to shut up.

I want to. Oh, here we go. Kind of similar to the tax stuff. This is a question from a dude. Oh. So, Natalie, do you have a dude's name oh yeah rick that's awesome rick that's a good name rick yeah although ultimately his name is richard which is not a good name well we have a richer that we love in our life i love richard yeah for sure back. You ever call him Rick? No.

Never have. But I'm interested in that. I don't even want that. Yeah. We'll roll it out. Yeah. Give it a little run. As we know, Rick Fox.

Yeah. And Ricky Van Veen. Yeah, Ricky. We know a Ricky. Are those friends or singers? Singers. Singers both. Both singers.

Amazing singers. Must have bands, each of those men. Ricky Van Veen? Yes. Ricky Fox and Ricky Van Veen? Yeah. Ricky Fox and Ricky Van Ween? Yeah. That's exactly right. Ricky Fox?

I haven't heard this kind of question asked before, so I figured I'd throw it at your way for some input. I'm a 34-year-old guy in the Northeast. Okay. All right. We know about that. Happily married with a baby. Whoa.

Shut up. We're just together. 34, my God. What should I do when I see my friends and family members continue to make poor financial decisions?

Whoa. Sorry, I have an intense interest in personal finance with the goal of retiring early. Sly. I'm helping my parents with their retirement as well. And during a meeting

with a certified financial planner, he literally told them, you don't have to pay me to do anything just listen to your son wow how cool is that this question is a not so humble brag i know it's like in fact i quit my job and your son will do it for me right unless he's already retired anyway i don't need your advice thanks just wanted to share how come other people suck? The principles are simple, but few people have the diligence to see them through. You have to work out, just like in a gym. Save and invest.

You absolutely have cheat days, splurge purchases. But if you do that all the time, you're not really making progress towards your goal and can end up putting on extra pounds, a.k.a. debt. He's comparing it to, wow, a personal physique. How can I help with their financial fitness without coming off as an asshole? Thanks, love, Rick. This sounds like it was from Rick. Yeah. This is major Rick energy.

This guy is not sitting right with me. I'll be real with you. He's Patrick Bateman, basically. To me, I'm like, a weight loss analogy is like one of the worst things you could choose. Because it's like, fuck that. You know what I mean?

You're rich now. He's like, why can't you just not eat and work out in the morning? It's like, because it's horrible. It's fun to spend money more than you have. Totally. So his question is not, how do I be financially literate? Because he is. How do I give financial advice?

Advice on giving advice. Kind of meta. One thing I would say is that anything can happen and that any kind of horrible financial misfortune can befall anyone. And maybe he needs to actually learn from people who are in worse situations than him because you never know.

Wow. He could lose his job, get into horrible car accidents where everything's fine physically, but financially very bad. Correct. And then he's going to be like, oh, I have this all planned out, but now my life isn't going that way.

Right, right. And he's actually a little bit out to sea. Yes. And he's going to then be reaching out to those people who are in that kind of situation. That's a really nice story slash tale, but it'll never happen this way. This guy is just a fucking man. He's too controlled. He's shredded too. He'll never get into a car accident

if he didn't also work out he's rich he's hot does it say if he's 6'4 I think he put that in there because he used to play college football he used to be a tight end when a man and I'm sorry but let me say this but get ready when a man, and I'm sorry. But let me say this.

But get ready. When a man talks about diligence, it's like, go away. You gotta go away because you're being weird and you're freaking me out. Like when men are like, use your mind power to just be disciplined. It's like, well, you're going to build a bomb and you're going to do something weird. You know what I mean? I do think diligence is a weirder word than willpower. Willpower feels like

the capacity to suffer. Diligence is like, I do the same thing every day. That makes me feel kind of uneasy. For a 34 year old to say the word diligence is odd. Totally. He's in the northeast. He's happily married. He's happily married in the northeast he's happily married he's happily married in the northeast i also think he doesn't necessarily possible

red flag it's interesting the mentality of like he has it all together and he wants to what force that on other people that's right wants, he's already doing it with his parents. Isn't that enough? No, he wants to help others. He wants to help. He wants to, he sees people struggling with finance. I guess. Oh,

Oh no, please. No, please. No, please, please. All right,

I'll go. Though I'm aware that I've been yapping. Yeah, no, I will. But I just feel all of the, for all these questions, it needs a woman's touch.

So you guys come back. I think that he needs to be more empathetic if he wants to help. If you want to help, you know, you can't be such a weird guy. Yeah, I think it, I think helping

should come from a place of like not you're doing it wrong, but basically like I am open for business. I, my finances are looking good. I'm really confident in this. If anybody needs help, come to me.

So like all of your help should be incoming, not, I just noticed that you, you leased an Audi? Can I talk to you about that? Yeah, it should have been a car loan situation because you can blah, blah, blah. Yeah, so don't like inject yourself where people, because other people might think they have it under control. And there's nothing more frustrating than being like,

I got this and somebody else coming and be like, you're doing it all wrong. It's also like, you can't actually control other people. And this is a guy who clearly wants to control everything. He wants to control all the things in his life. And it's like, you have to let some of that go.

Yeah. And other people, other people. And by the way, it's like some people make a calculated decision. They're like, I don't want to save money. I don't know what's going to happen in the future. I want to buy $400 pants. Other people, other people. And by the way, it's like some people make a calculated decision. They're like, I don't want to save money. I don't know what's going to happen in the future.

I want to buy $400 pants. I'm going to do it now. Yeah, that's cool. And it's a value system and you have to respect that. And if, also, I've seen people like that buy expensive clothes and I'm like, oh, I think that might be dumb. But then they like sell, they sell them later. Yeah, exactly. People buy and trade.

Or people see, oh, you're wearing $400 pants. Do you want to be on TV or something like that?'s an investment it's an investment in yourself yeah this is the only pair of pants i need for a year meanwhile i buy 76 pants from abercrombie and fitch every two and a half weeks and that's not a better way to do no it's not better or worse um it's worse i think you should just right there where they always are you can buy clothes for nine dollars you can and you just throw them away i think if you just assume that everyone everyone doing something that you think is dumb financially is born rich and that will that will like curb your um right you know your itch to talk to them about it that

will yeah it's like oh my god what are they doing oh they have a trust fund all right that's probably curb your itch to talk to them about it. That will cure you. Yeah. It's like, oh, my God, what are they doing? Oh, they have a trust fund. Right. That's probably fine. Yeah. Maybe this guy needs that thing.

You know when the school psychologist knows that kids won't want to talk to them, so they have a bowl of candy and soda. Yeah. That's cool. Maybe he needs just a hang zone with toys that his parents like. He should get a bean bag. Exactly. Like bubble gum machine. Right. A chill zone. With toys at his parents' place. He should get a bean bag. Exactly. Like bubble gum machine.

A chill zone. Yeah. Get like a little Nintendo that's behind a plexiglass wall with controllers sticking out. Like they have at the orthodontist. You have to play it with gloves. It's what they have at the orthodontist. A treasure trunk with toys. He should give his friends and family like $1,000 each.

He should just be financially really generous. Oh, yeah. How's this for security? Yeah, exactly. I'm going to give you $1,000 each. He should just be financially really generous. Oh, yeah. How's this for security? Yeah, exactly. I'm going to give you $1,000. But there's some strings attached. You want this? Yeah.

I have to write this off my taxes as a gift donation. Right, exactly. I mean, some people are born rich, but it sounds like this guy is born Rick. Come on. I'm serious. Say that. No, I'm serious. That wasn't even a joke.

It's not funny. It wasn't funny. And I'll prove it by not being funny he was actually born Rick his name was Rick we have fun on this show but this guy was born Rick it's his birthday March 9th how fucking powerful is that this guy was born Rick

I do think we should say that free as the Rick Rick his name is actually not Rick I you gave him that name I was Josh so why do you guys do the fake name because we usually want to preserve these people's anonymity but at this point what's out his ass let's fucking dox his ass his email his email is on here do not bleep this shit any person who messages for the email financial advice yeah josh and then his last name i'm not gonna say but it starts with the letter m that's really fucking close and i won't say how, but know that it is like M blank, blank, blank.

Do not bleep this. Something S. I feel like we're playing fucking Wordle with his last name at this point. At, and then it's an obvious one. Wait, so M, other letters S? Can you give us one of the vowels? Yeah, it's U. U.

Yeah. Monks. No. More E's? No. How many vowels? We're going to get the whole thing. Let's get a wordle board up on the TV.

On his Gmail. It's a visual thing. Oops, I said Gmail. I mean, it's obviously a Gmail. Yeah. We all knew it was a Gmail. For sure. I mean, this guy.

He has his finances together. It's like at CNBC. Yeah. No, I don't think so. Charlie just did a joke on our show about his social security number and gave away a couple of the numbers and actually people on tiktok got really close i guess the joke is like my social security number is like so funny and i can't say what it is but i'm gonna give the vibe of it and like ha ha ha and And then like on TikTok, people are like, is it this? And I was like, oh shit.

Like 69 or 20-ish. Oh no. That's close. People are like, well, clearly the first four digits are this. And I'm like, you're right. What the fuck? But like, what could people really do with that? I don't know.

And that's also the other thing. Literally anything. I'm like, oh my God, you can't give away your social security number. Meanwhile, like you guys definitely have it. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. Yeah. For sure.

Yeah, we do. What can I do if i call what and say i'm you and this is my social security like they need more than that right a little bit more it's kind of but i bet all the stuff they need is online for charlie right they also have it yeah your address right yeah they got it your vibe right yeah that's an that my prediction is having a good enough vibe that nobody would want to do that to me right that's the that's the protection right exactly i don't want to feel for me i'm a cool guy no he's being so nice sweetheart yeah let's skip it yeah exactly they probably need your birthday which i also have at this point i made up that little game

to get to know you more exactly april 11th oh my god 1996 I'm so... 1996? Five. Your identity is gone. Shoot. And you're like, I'm tricking you to tell your birthday. And you're like, oh my god, what's the year? I'm like, 1995. And I got you. I'm a mentalist. The last four digits of the social security number are...

I feel like this is how psychics work. They're like, yeah, talking to you a little bit, getting some information. They're like, and the mother's maiden name is... You say it. It's an R. Rick? Close, getting some information. They're like, and the mother's maiden name is... Rick? Close, close, L. That's L, right? L, yes. Alright, so ultimately

don't force your advice on other people, but if they're willing to come to you. Yeah, just, you clearly make it known that you're good at finances. Like with you guys in the show. You didn't find Rick and say, listen, you need to change, just you you clearly make it known that you're good at finances yeah like when people are ready yeah you don't go you didn't find rick and say listen you need to change but you said come to me and i'll help your problem that's right right and i think i think we really helped him i think we really helped him i don't know we semi-doxed him and that's probably we gave out a lot of his

information yeah which also comes to you for advice you're like listen i gave everybody your credit card number that was a literal leak of information you said his first name his last initial the last letter of his last name the middle one his gmail yeah let's just see how financially secure he is when someone steals his identity that's right serves you Oh, someone liquidated your assets? Well, I guess you're not so financially secure. We're sort of the jokers in that regard. That's right.

With a bend towards justice. Yes, exactly. Some people just like to watch the world burn. Do you guys like Dark Knight? Not enough to engage. Not enough to engage. I don't like that. It was fucking overrated, I thought. Same, fuck that

yeah fuck that shit that was that was did you like that or I don't think I saw that I didn't see it I don't think I saw it

I honestly don't think I saw it no I didn't see that I watched everywhere everywhere all at once last night oh yeah would you

really I liked it everything by the way I know it starts like that yeah I didn't see it I was watching Dark Knight last night really yeah I know it starts like that. I didn't see it.

I was watching Dark Knight last night. Really? Yeah. I watch it twice a day. Why so serious? All right. That's it. That's our time.

I think this was fun. Yeah, I did too. I had an amazing time. I had a great time. We laughed. Yeah. Now it's like the retrospective thing of like looking back. Yeah, looking back. Right.

Now we can have fun. Yes. Oh, I wish it wasn't over. We love when things end. If you guys really like the retrospective thing of like looking back yeah looking back now we can have fun oh I wish it wasn't over we love when things end if you guys really like this show you can have it thank you so much

instead of us recording another episode it would be yours going forward you wanna swap pods let's do it that's cute our premise is

it's weak what's your premise what's your premise oh yeah Exploration Live coming ahead what's the elevator pitch? The elevator pitch is we each bring three ideas in,

our three best ideas of the week in. Okay. And what's an example of an idea that you bring in? Like a product, an idea? No. It's like philosophy. The sleep mask, something you bring? Oh, okay.

Yeah, the sleep mask. But we've said a few of them. Like what was the one I brought up? Wait, this is one that I actually want to share because it's feeling important to me.'ve been bringing up a lot but i have this idea that bangs only exist in the um future and the past and whenever you see someone wearing bangs like they're actually a memory of themselves or like a flash forward because bangs really only exist to show the passage of time.

Unless someone has bangs their whole life. This is bombing. I'm only silent because I'm really... It's intense. It's like a stunning idea. Right. I'm floored. I don't think I'm smart enough

to understand what you just said. Okay, that's fine. A lot of people aren't. We should watch everything everywhere all at once last night. It is, right. I'm working on an intense level. I was thinking about one which is like the thing of when you have a group of people who are all sitting down at a table and like the quiet implicit like negotiation of where

everybody sits and like that kind of moment wait and yeah and your thing with that is like when you hang back yeah wait what was it i don't know okay it's really good i i had this experience a few weeks ago at a birthday where i was like as i'm walking there i'm like i know i'm gonna sit next to this person like this person's bringing their significant other and i'm gonna sit next to them and that's not what i wanted but like do i get there early so i can like stake out my seat that's the kind of or is that like leaving me vulnerable because i've chosen enough that you like have some option but not so much that those options win because if you go too early you lose the control right it's like musical chairs i want some settling and you're like okay i'm gonna get all control desires what did you do

i sat down next to one person on my right that I wanted. But everyone pushed all the way, like kind of leaving the entire other half of the table open. So it was like, whoever comes next, I know I'm sitting next to. So I'm just like, well, I hope. Russian roulette. Yeah, I hope. Oh, this happened last night and I ended up, I was the one who.

Yeah, we were supposed to say we didn't want to sit next to Emma. But then when she arrived, no offense, you don't care. You don't care, right? She loves when we talk about it on the show. Yeah. You knew that.

You could feel that. Yeah. Right. But you heard like when you arrived and everyone groaned? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

And then I was like, I'm gluten free. And they're like, yeah, we already told the fucking waiter. Jesus Christ. You are? she's not you are no oh no one is

it was a joke it was a bit and it's funny I'm laughing no you're not no I am I'm laughing hysterically I can hardly get a word out

this is how she laughs oh my god I'm gonna die alright Exploration Live coming to HeadGum yeah but you can subscribe now

even if this episode comes out before it's on HeadGum. So check it out. Yeah, and go ahead. You know what I mean? Go ahead and do that. Yeah, sounds like a great show. Sweet.

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yeah for sure yeah who's Giles Rick Rick Born what do you think

for the title of this episode born Rick I think it's nice I think it's really nice I think it's working I think it's Rick I think it's Rick oh that's Rick

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