Sense of Soul - A Jungian Understanding of Transcendent Experiences

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

Today on Sense of Soul podcast we have Dr. Susan Plunket is a New York State licensed clinical psychologist and author, with a private practice in New York City. She received her Ph.D. from The New School for Social Research in 1989. With over thirty years of experience, Dr. Plunket specializes in working with individuals, couples, and families, and has extensive clinical training from Bellevue Hospital, New York Hospital, and The Postgraduate Center for Mental Health. Dr. Plunket’s favorite aspect of her work is interpreting dreams using a Jungian approach. She is passionate about exploring the psychological, spiritual, and paranormal realms through her writing. Her first book, When Every Breath Becomes a Prayer, delves into Jungian dream analysis and the numinous experiences that arise from emotional pain. Her subsequent books, Mission from Venus and The Wanderers on Earth, venture into the fantasy worlds of the Fifth and Sixth Dimensions, reflecting her belief in a vast web of consciousness that connects us all. In her latest work, Paranormal Perspectives: A Jungian Understanding of Transcendent Experiences, Dr. Plunket shares her own paranormal experiences, offering a unique blend of psychological insight and spiritual exploration. She has also served on the Board of Trustees of the Jung Foundation and is currently on the Advisory Board of Quadrant, the Journal of the C.G. Jung Foundation for Analytical Psychology. For more information, visit her website at www.susanplunket.com www.senseofsoulpodcast.com

Hello, my soul-seeking friends. It's Shanna. Thank you so much for listening to Sense of Soul podcast. Enlightening conversations with like-minded souls from around the world, sharing their journey of finding their light within, turning pain into purpose, and awakening to their true sense of soul. If you like what you hear, show me some love and rate, like, and subscribe. And consider becoming a Sense of Soul Patreon member, where you will get ad-free episodes, monthly circles, and much more. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sense of Soul, I have Susan Plunkett. Susan is a Jungian, a psychologist, an author, and for over 30 years, Susan has been in a private practice working with individuals, couples, and families.

She has served as a member on the Board of Trustees of the Jung Foundation and is currently on the advisory board of Quadrant, the journal of C.G. Young Foundation for Analytical Psychology. And she's joining us today to tell us about her recent book, A Jungian Understanding of Transcendent Experiences, the first book released in a series called Paranormal Perspectives. Susan has joined us before in 2020 when she shared with us the Mission from Venus trilogy, and she became a huge part of my journey, actually, and I can't wait to share this with her. So please welcome Susan Plunkett. Hi, Susan. Nice to see you.

Good to see you too. How are you? Feeling very good. Excited to talk about your new book. Thank you so much for having me on. So years ago, I think back in 2021, we had you on, Mandy and I. So Mandy's known for podcasting, but I'm writing a book and you're actually in the first chapter of my book. Wow. I'm so honored. You were a part of a timeline of synchronicities that led me to writing my book. You're at the very beginning. So you knowingly helped me along my journey. And anyone that's listening who is a long listener of Sense of Soul may have listened.

I have a mini series. One night I found myself with no kids around and the television right in front of me, which is a rare occurrence. So I picked up the remote and was scrolling through and I found a movie called Dinner with the Alchemist. Well of course Alchemist stuck out to me as I love that book. I clicked on the movie and I see that the movie is set in the 1800s in New Orleans. Of course again caught my attention and the two main characters were Marie Laveau and some character named Saint Germain. You're Marie. You can help me. You're famous. My grandmother is famous. I just have her famous name.

Voodoo and alchemy. We should be rivals, shouldn't we? I don't see why. Even when things feel hopeless, a ray of light shines for you on the least expected. Of course that got my attention because i have the great voodoo queen marie laveau in my ancestral tree as an aunt however i didn't know who the saint germain character was but i think that this movie was placed divinely before me. St. Germain was known in this movie as the vampire of New Orleans and his occupation was an alchemist. Later on that same night, I was editing a Sense of Soul podcast episode with Susan Plunkett. She had channeled a series of books and she's also a Jungian, but she

mentions the move from the third dimension to the fourth dimension is about the amount of love you hold in the form of violet light the violet ray and the Kohana the violet ray is Saint Germain if you hold enough violet light you are in the fourth dimension many beings on earth are already in the fourth dimension. People doing things like sense of soul. Did I just hear that right? Did she just say Saint Germain? What are the chances that I'm watching this movie and then only 10 minutes later, I'm editing this episode and she mentions Saint Germain. I started to do a mini series and then that turned into a book. But you just kind of pushed me into, who is the Saint Germain? Do I guess I have to searching more?

It was followed by many other synchronicities with Saint Germain. But yeah. Both synchronicity and alchemy are such Jungian words. Right. Jungian words. Yes. Totally Jungian words. Yes, Master Saint Germain. He's the Kohan of the violet ray of transformation. And also in the age of Aquarius, right?

He's really connected with this time and bringing forth this new age of transformation and technology and the divine feminine. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. My whole book is about seeking Sophia. I mean, and it's nothing but synchronicities. I didn't seek any of it. All of my journey was just like I told you.

It'd be like one thing and okay, I'm supposed to know this. It was just like that. A lot of synchronicity. Yeah. I guess he just wanted supposed to know this it was just like that a lot of synchronicity yeah i guess he just wanted me to know who he was he wanted you to know who he was and i think a lot of times he hangs out in his temple in the etheric realm over the ural mountains in central europe not far from Ukraine. And I write about that in the third book of the trilogy, which is not this book, because Gavin got this idea to do a series,

and he asked five of us to each write a book for the series. So I started writing what I was writing to write this book. It's called Paranormal Perspectives. And mine is the first one out. But there will be four more, one of which Gavin is writing. Different topics in the paranormal. So there are five so far. And I bet there will be more. He will keep this series going.

They tumble out every few months. Gavin's will be out next summer. There'll be a whole series. And mine is about, among other things, alchemy, the alchemical vessel. That's what the ancient alchemists used. That's what Jung was studying. And alchemy is about transformation, transmuting in the old days, base metal into gold, but transmuting human flesh into spirit is really the alchemy. And the master in charge of alchemy is Saint Germain. Of course. He's the master of transmutation, the violet ray. His ray is the violet ray. Hence this book is kind of like in those tones, purple and violet. That is, wow.

That's a lot of synchronicity with what you're doing. Absolutely. And another part of my journey was discovering alchemy and it was through synchronicity as well i was sitting in the backyard i saw a sun and a moon and they were equal in my backyard i didn't have to move my head and all of a sudden it came to me it's like you know they're this polarity the sun is masculine right and then years later i end up finding some random book I don't it was written by was it Rosicrucian called the alchemical marriage and they have this picture of the sun and the moon well in my experience after I was having this aha moment a dove flew above my head. And I actually got a picture of it because it was one single dove. And so in that alchemical marriage piece that I read, that was from, I think,

the 1600s, it's depicted male and female standing on sun and moon with a dove in the middle. Amazing. You were supposed to write about this. are two alchemical marriages one is the masculine and the feminine the sun and the moon the male and the female whatever kind of body they're in even if it's two gay men one will be each principle and the other alchemical marriage is conscious and unconscious what we're conscious of, what we see, and the unseen, the unconscious, which gets made conscious through symbols, the sun, the moon, the dove. So there's two great alchemical marriages, masculine and feminine. Within each person, your external feminine marries your internal masculine and in

a man the other way around so it's about alchemizing these energies opposites yes with wholeness wholeness the whole is masculine and feminine the whole is conscious and unconscious it's beautiful that you got all these signs and symbols perfect not knowing not knowing any of it so this my whole journey is like that this is how i learned but it was all about being present right had i not been present i think i would have missed it all you wouldn't you might have missed the sun the moon and the dove absolutely would have i would have missed it all. You might have missed the sun, the moon, and the dove. Absolutely would have. That would have been a lot to miss. Yeah. Pretty beautiful and very powerful. Your dreams probably give you some information too. My dreams? Yeah. Literally. Perfect. And that's how I fell into a lot of Carl Jung's work as well, because around every corner,

there was synchronicity message from the dreams. And it always was leading me back to the work of Carl Jung. Exactly. That's why my book is a Jungian understanding of these paranormal things. And I have synchronicity in here too, of course. I mean, he was such an amazing soul. There's an abundance of knowledge in his work. Yeah, there's so many people with knowledge.

You respond to him and I respond to him. Other people respond to different people. But he was a gift. I feel he was a gift in my life and your life too. Will you share with our listeners today a little bit about that? Yeah. You shared with us back in 2020 how special Carl Jung was. Would you mind sharing that story just to kind of give us a little background? Yes. I love to talk about Carl Jung. Carl Jung is my mentor, my healer, my inspiration,

not just in my practice as a psychologist, but just the way I look at my life, the way I try to recognize things like synchronicity, alchemy, signs and symbols in the world. I went on a pilgrimage to Carl Jung's, both his house and his tower. You know, he had a regular house where he lived with his wife and his five children. And he had an office there and he saw patients there. And they mostly worked on their dreams. But he was always working with the patients for them to become whole, to become, by whole he meant,

to become conscious of the things that they weren't admitting to themselves. We all have secrets from ourselves, stuff we don't want to know. And a lot of the process of therapy in a Jungian analysis is getting to know things about yourself that you keep hidden from yourself so anyway he was doing that work in his office but he had a need for another place for what he called his number two personality.

He said, we all have two personalities. We have a number one, which, you know, we're aware of, you know, it carries on in the world as children works, but we have another person. He called it our million year old being, but of course it's far older than a million. It is our eternal self. And when he was little, he called them his number one and number two. He was aware of this from childhood. When he grew up and became a psychiatrist, he called them the ego and the self. The ego being what we know, basically, we know a lot about it, how we present our persona and run by the ego. And then our self with a capital S, which has lived millions of years is only temporarily in this body. We're just using this like a, you know, of clothes a little uniform we're using we're wearing

i call it a meat suit a meat suit whatever we want to call it and it's wonderful and it does so much for us it you know it allows us to be in the third dimension but he felt that to be to live To live a full life, to waste a life, and not understand that you are an eternal being of light would just be very sad. And he wanted to concretize a place for his number two, his capital S self, to live. So he built, mostly with his own hands, a tower. It looks like a medieval tower on the shores of Lake Zurich, across on the other side of the lake from where his number one lived. And that's where he would go to write, to be alone, to think, to be his eternal man. And it took some time to switch from one self to the other. So he would, when he first got to the tower, like if he had an extended two week or longer vacation from his patients and his family, he would just sit by the water with a stick, making little rivulets along the shore, letting the water flow into the rivulets, maybe moving a few stones, just letting go of the number one personality and allowing the number two to emerge. And then when he felt he was fully present as his eternal self, then he would pick up his pen

and write all the things we read, you know, all his like volumes and volumes of work. This is not coming from his ego, this work that we read. It's coming from his eternal million-year-old man, his self. He never said, oh, my work is channeled. But there was probably some of that going on, although he never said that. He didn't like it when Freud called him a mystic. He didn't like that at all. But in fact, he was quite mystical. But he was striving to be seen in his world, which was just slightly post-Victorian, to be a scientist, to have his ideas be accepted. And I think now they are widely accepted. And that's why I've named this book A Jungian Understanding,

because I have looked at myself. This book is a memoir. It's a memoir of strange, occult, transcendent, by transcendent, I mean, feelings that lift you out of yourself as a human being. Like you seeing the sun and the moon and the dove. You weren't looking for them, but you were able to be present and see them. That was a transcendent moment. Many moments in life are transcendent. Hopefully we don't miss them. In any case, I look at 19 different transcendent moments from just before I incarnated till age 75. And I look at them through the perspective of these two selves, Jung's number one and his number two. In other words, my ego self and my eternal self, which we all have. You know, when we're little children, we are very authentic. Then there's too cool for the room by teenager years, and all of us. And also, like, a lot in our 20s, like, we're ego driven, we're trying to like,

figure out who we are, where we are in the world, because we do have that job. It is our job to find a way to survive and to launch out from our family and make a life. We're in the third dimension after all, part of us is. But at the same time that's going on, behind the scene is your eternal self, which most people do not start a conversation with until mid-30s, 40s, 50s, sometimes later. We're lucky if it begins in our 30s. This book is about my conversation with my eternal self, which was going on when I was little. But then I shut it down, got ego-driven. So there's the arc of a life, which I believe most of us have from authentic child blurting out what they see and think until school, parents, the adult world says, you know, get with the program. We're in the third dimension here. Behave, sit in your chair, do your homework, you know, all those things we have to do. So we like lose

touch with our eternal being. And then we have to kind of find it again. Some people find it through a serious illness, through a near death experience, through being attuned to the sun and the moon in the same sky. We find it in different ways, but it's a rich experience as you get more mature you have the whole arc of your life to where you go back to being more authentic I think at my age now 76 I'm much more authentic than I was at 35 probably not as authentic as I was at six or three. But that's okay. I still have an ego, I still have to function. But I see it more. I see when I come from a stupid place of ego. You know, and I try not to judge it. But I notice it. So I think we all have an arc. And this book is my arc. And I hear the beginnings of your arc, as you find yourself as a writer, as you don't miss the symbols

of what's happening in your life. And Carl Jung, certainly from childhood, knew he had a number one and number two. And I don't think he, like me, I lost touch with my number myself. I don't think he ever did. I think he was aware for the whole arc of that because he was a special more awakened human being than I am so but I think it's a wonderful goal to have in life to wake up and know how profoundly powerful and divine every human being is you know i walk in the street and i live in greenwich village in new york city and every person i pass homeless fancy whatever they are and i think to myself a form of god you are god you are god you are god god is disguised in every moment.

Now, I know a lot of people don't like that word God, so use creator, use quantum field, use energy field, whatever word you want to use. But there is nothing that doesn't come out of the quantum field. We humans create it all. We are gods creating this reality in the third dimension. It's not helpful to think this all the time, but the truth, I don't know ultimate truth, but what my thinking now is that this is all a projection. The third dimension is a projection

from the quantum field and we keep it going. All of us keep projecting it. But if there was not a single human left on earth, not one, there would be not the reality we see. Even if the dogs, the cats, the dragonflies, the alligators, the elephants, the monkeys, the birds were all here. The reality we perceive wouldn't be here because they don't perceive the same reality. A dragonfly has 60,000 eyes. We know cats and dogs don't see the same reality we see. There's overlap, but it's different. So only humans see this reality. Just yesterday, my daughter said on the way home, it was last night, my mom got a new kitty.

And she goes, isn't it interesting that, you know, we all speak different languages, but yet we try to understand each other, you know, animals and humans. But she said, I wonder if they're thinking like what we're thinking. She was so in that perspective. I love that because, you know, that's very deep, but it's still that childlike mind. It's the childlike mind wondering what her grandmother's cat was perceiving. What does the cat perceive? It's a very interesting question.

You know, once I lived in an apartment with a fire escape on the back of the building and i had a cat then that i can hardly speak of now without weeping because i loved him so much his name was ernie and he was sitting on the windowsill and all of a sudden I saw his head like jerk over and I thought what there are no usually any people back there because it was the fire escape so I go out and I lean out the window there was a guy with a mask higher up on the fire escape like a catlar. I don't know how they got the name cat burglar, the way they jump and climb. But the cat knew that that was an aberration, that that should not have been there, which is so wild. The cat knew it shouldn't have been there.

And the guy downstairs was a cop. So I went down and told him that the, because he said, well, there's been a cat burglar in the village. It was wild that Ernie, the cat, saw him and understood. I did the same thing with my dog. I have a Labrador retriever and two cats. And when he sees something unusual, he reacts. They understand what's unusual for them it's amazing even though i know he doesn't see the same colors i see cats don't either and they have they have many more

of the things that see detail and we have many more of the things that see color i don't know which cones and rods i I mixed them up. But their perception is different. And not only that, two humans walking into a room see roughly the same room. Roughly. A gold couch, a Persian rug, whatever. But it's not exactly the same. It's not exactly the same. It's not exactly the same.

The last time you were on, we talked a lot about the series that you mentioned, and it was, we were talking about time and space. And I remember Mandy and I just getting off going, oh my God, we're going to have to go back and re-listen and re-listen. It was such a hard concept back then. Now it's not to me. It's so interesting how when you do finally get something, like, oh my gosh, I got it. Like the light bulb goes on finally. And we also talked about the different dimensions, right? And that's been something that I've noticed about myself is that the more present I am and the more conscious I become and more conscious of my unconscious and right. And, and even the subconscious, right. I'm, i'm in a different dimension and so when i do walk into a different room if i am more present i am paying attention to things i've never seen ever because i was too busy to stop and see so it's a totally different room yes it's what we bring to the situation

like we are in the third dimension when we're talking. We're both present in the third dimension where we accept the ideas of time and space. We accept that time exists and space exists. But ultimately physicists tell us there is no time. There is only one moment. And that is this moment. But we can't live that way because we have to pick up our daughter at school at three and we have to get to the dentist at 11 on Thursday. So we, our brains would explode if we perceived everything happening at once. So we spread it out on like a timeline, Monday to Friday, Saturday and Sunday, so that we can, in this body, in this, as you call it, meat suit, the way we were organized, the kind of senses we have, visual, olfactory, taste, touch, we're attuned to this environment.

We're attuned. And that's why kids lose the magic, because the more they're here, the longer they're here, the more attuned they become to this environment. So they block out everything else because we're actually, according to science, blinking in and out of multiple realities, but we block them out and we focus on this. And that has helped because our visual perception is so strong that we focus on this and we block out other dimensional realities which are overlaying this. For example, like seeing someone who's just died, many people can do that. They're not blocking it out because over there is really right here. So if you can manage not to block things out, you see a lot more, but you don't want to get flooded. You don't want to be seeing all dimensions at once because we do have work to do in this dimension. We came here. We had the great privilege of coming here.

So we want to experience this. But ultimately, quantum physics tells us time does not exist, that there really, in fact, is nothing. Not only is the table mostly not solid, there is nothing. Even an atom, we now know, is not solid. Everything is energy. It is just energy organized in different ways by various perceptual systems, human being only one perceptual system, dragonfly being another, mosquito, dog, horse. Susan, you're such a good teacher. That's why your episode always stuck out to me, because the way that you present this is actually tangible to me. Yeah, I've had great teachers. Carl Jung.

You know, another great teacher is Deepak Chopra. He's been a great teacher for me. Of course, my non-human teachers, who I talk about in this book, most beloved teachers I've ever had, were never human. One was Munkah. And one day I said to Munkah, he was channeled by this woman, Pamela Austin, like, well, didn't you go through this when you were a human? And he said, my dear, I've never been a human. I've never been a human. And I didn't think to ask him what the heck he was. So I was in my late 30s, early 40s when I was receiving a lot of information from Manka. Then when I got in my, I think it was in my early 60s, my father was dying. Back when I was in my late 30s, my father had been ill,

and I was asking Manka, would he be okay? And Manka said, yes, he's going to be fine. He's going to be here a bunch longer. Not even use the word bunch, but if you want, I will be present at the moment of his death. So fast forward 25, 30 years. My father's dying. He's 88. And he dies.

And I'm by his bedside the last week and i'm talking to an intuitive the next day there just happened synchronicity would have it be a psychic fair as i'm leaving the funeral. And so I go back the next day and she's amazing. And she says, oh, your father's here. And I was talking to my father then. And he said, she's the psychic said, he's saying golden angels came for him. And one of them was sent by you with the initial M. It was Manka. And And then I realized Munkah wasn't a golden angel. How did I never know this? All those conversations. I mean, he was brilliant and he was funny. Oh, was he funny? Saying things to me like, what would you do with all your free time if you stopped criticizing yourself for a minute? But he said also brilliant things about the ego and the eternal self. Very like Jung. Very like Jung.

I still read Manka. I have all the transcriptions. Back then, years ago, everything was just taped on tape recorders, but then typed and transcribed. And I still read them every morning just for inspiration. So I've had teachers, you know, human and non-human. And so I'm just so lucky. That's all I can say is I've just I feel like one of the luckiest people alive to have had great teachers. Some were in books. Seth speaks by Jane Roberts, a great teacher, the raw material, the law of wine, you know, I have studied it.

Yep. Raw material. Raw is wonderful. Raw is a cool character. He's very cool. He's very cool. He's very back from you. He's like a little machine-like, very different than Seth. And of course, very different from Munkah.

Well, Munkah was personal to me. These are great teachers. If people are looking for teachers, they should read the Ra material. They should read Smith Speaks by Jane Roberts. There's wonderful stuff out there to read and when you start down those paths I think other teachers appear to you Deepak Chopra every day puts a little few minute talk on Facebook and Instagram he's awesome he's awesome so there's so much if anybody wants to get into this stuff.

I might have told you in our first interview, but, you know, I've really only had like one kind of quote unquote spirit guide that I knew of that wasn't already like an Archangel Michael, which we talked about in our episode back then. But I learned of him through dreams, meditations, and also through mediumship, kind of like, you know, it was all merging. And he's a monk. And he wears like a friar. And it took me a long time to understand who he was. Because he's mute, he doesn't speak to me. But I hadn't seen him in like two years because I've been deeply in my study with the Gnostic Gospels. And so my book is called Seeking Sophia. And Sophia has been really- A lot of same wisdom. But I had a dream about him this past year. And I saw my mute monk and I said,

oh my gosh, I haven't seen forever. I'm super excited in my dream. And I'm like, aren't you my spirit guide? And he turns around and he spoke to me for the first time. And he said, no, you're my spirit guide. Oh my God. And I was like, wait, what? Couldn't, and I tried to go back, tried to go back because I was like, I need some understanding here. What do you, you know, I'm this dude's spirit guide. Like I must be a deadbeat spirit guide because I haven't seen him in a while. There's no such thing as time and space. You're not only your current personality. You're existing simultaneously in many dimensions.

So it may be your sixth dimensional self that is his spirit guide and when you're in a dream you're not in your body first of all we leave our body every night he may be have been talking to the you which is your sixth dimensional self or your fifth dimensional self and that is his spirit guide you simultaneously exist because there is no time as all your future selves as your most enlightened self so one of those selves is his spirit guide since you this self you are not conscious of being a spirit guide he would just show up and and i said, well, he must be my spirit guide. And I actually did have an in-between life where we talked to him

and got his name as David, or I can call him David. He called me by my spirit name, which was Nia. Did you do the life-between-life regression? Yeah, I did. That's wonderful. I write about that also in here. You did? Oh, yeah.

I did a life between life regression. And I saw not only my sister who had died, who had monks when she was dying, but Carl Jung. And Carl Jung gave me a teaching. And I write about that in here. It's fantastic. There's so much synchronicity between us that you also did life between life regression. And did your monk wear a brown hood? What was his?

I'm picturing him. Okay. Yes. So, and I have had many dreams of a man in a brown hood. Yes. My younger sister, she was at home on hospice. She said to me, she was a little delirious. She said, who are all these people in the brown hoods and cloaks? And I didn't want her to be frightened. I didn't know. I didn't see them. I couldn't see them. So I said, they're monks.

She said, oh, oh, oh, that's right. That's right. They're monks. So then later in the day, I'm sitting by her bedside reading aloud to her, and I come across a passage in a book explaining who these monks were. And it's in here, but I would have to look it up. But what is your soul name? Nia?

Nia. Nia. Mine is Sonam. And I received this name in the life between life regression. No way. Yes, because it was the Michael Newton process. And the psychologist said, what's your name? And I blurt out Sonal because I'm really over there.

I've never heard this word before. I didn't know how to spell it, how to write it. So now you and I know we have our ego name. And then we have our capital S, our soul name, our capital S name. And interesting, we both got them in the life between life regression. Not that many people do the life between life. They want to find out about other lives, but they don't necessarily because you have to go to your last death tag on go over which seems great to me like a shortcut to get there but that's so interesting that we both got our names

and they're softer these names but i do have a recording of it and how i said it under hypnosis was more like me. Yeah. It was a little element. It's like, so no, so no. Wow. So interesting. I write all about the life between life progression in this.

I was weeping through the whole thing. Were you, I was just so touched. I was just weeping and i didn't want to come back i felt so loved in that space yeah more than i mean i've done past life regressions and i and i remember definitely feeling emotion but it wasn't that loving emotion this is a different space between life it's just a different space who the life between life. It's just a different space. Who cares about these other ego lives?

I want to see the extreme. Who are we when we're just an oval of light or just consciousness? Well, really, our true self is pure consciousness. It's no body at all. It's just pure consciousness. It's no body at all. It's just pure consciousness. We don't need a form. What happens when you die? Your essence is consciousness, which does not need a body, which we know from astral

travel. We know from dreams. We're all over the place. You know from just experiences of mental journeying that you don't need a body your consciousness just hangs out near the body yeah it's so it's so beautiful so when is your book going to be done and ready for us to read so i've never really been a channel you know most of my stuff has come the way i told you, which is, I guess, channeling in some way. But I had never, even my study, I'd been so deep in Sophia for about three years.

And it was the same week as the war broke out in Israel, in Palestine. And I was in a circle, it was a Gnostic circle, and just prayer. And at the end, I received in a circle. It was a Gnostic circle and just prayer. And at the end, I received something very specific. And it was so quick. And I blurred it out and shared. But it stuck with me for weeks. It was, I belong to no one. And I am home to all.

And it came very, very quickly. So the very next week I was having Neil Donald Walsh on and I've had him on before and I tell him what I received. And, you know, of course, I'm like, I had a conversation with a goddess, not a God. And he said, I dare you, I dare you to write your book. And if you do, I will write your forward. I had already, I had already, you know, been doing that mini series. And so all it was, was really taking already what I did and putting it into words. But I felt like Susan, my journey was never ending. And I'm sure you can maybe understand this. And I was like, it's either going to be a giant book or I'm going to have to turn it into a series or something.

A couple of books. Yeah. Just get the first one out there. Just edit and get the first one out there. You just have to bite the bullet. That is a great thing because he just, his work was practically channeled or was channeled. His books were wonderful. I remember years ago reading his books.

Yes, get him to write the foreword. So just take a chunk of it and get it out there. I spent the summer at Oxford University in England learning how to write at my age. You did? After I already have four books out, yes. This is a good book. I will say this is my best book. But I wrote a one-page article, What I Learned at Oxford Summer School. And it's like six techniques. I'm just going to send you this. It's one page. And it's really the essence of what I learned at Oxford. And I wish I knew

it before I wrote anything. but it's okay going forward. If I keep writing, I will be a better writer just from these techniques. I mean, the major thing they drill into you at Oxford is show, don't tell, just show the thing, like describe your life between life regression and what it felt like and you know don't tell oh I did a past life regret what I think that I probably am more of a writer like that because I am I'm more visionary so you know even you know spiritual gifts and stuff usually that's why it was so interesting that I I heard very distinctly I belong to no one. I am home to all. And it was a feminine voice, right? But usually everything I receive is through my vision, through imagination,

through my dreams, through physical synchronicities, right? It's always vision. My best friend, well, Mandy, you met her. She's very audible. She hears and I always get so jealous because I'm like, I that's so amazing. I wonder what that feels like. Or I get a knowing. But that was so amazing that I heard that and I it stuck with me for so long. You're God, you're divine. You are home to all. Know that you are divine. I mean, what else does that mean? You are home to all. Right.

You are the unified field. You are divinity. As is every person. You are not this body and this identity. Yes, you can be that here. But you are also home to all yeah else is that but all that is the quantum field and in that quantum field as it seems with all of the things that is happening and what i see in my life anyways, from my perspective, so many people becoming conscious,

like humanity, the vibration is rising. Yes. Yes. We're in a different dimension almost. Yes. There are people that say, shamans and intuitives that say, we're already like into the fourth dimension. I feel that too. I feel a shift even with the patients that I see in my practice as a psychologist, much more conscious, much more open to things spiritual. I don't bring up spiritual stuff. If it's a regular, just if a patient is coming in, they have some issue that they want to work on, we work on it. But when they bring it up, then I know, oh, we can go there. And more and more, they're bringing up

this perspective. And that's what I hope my book will explain these experiences, because many people have seen a ghost. Many people have astral traveled. I don't know how many people have done the life between life regression, but maybe reading about it, they'll want to. Many people talk to dead people, seen dead people, and have come to visit them. All these different experiences I write about and talk about from Carl Jung's perspective are things that we all can have. We all can experience. So yeah, your book too, and I hope mine, will help people see that we can all do these things and life gets very rich and layered and beautiful and joyful i'm not joyful every second either but when i'm not if i'm sunk in a complex or a mood i can get out of it by meditating by just taking a moment and channeling scalar waves, by looking for a sign, looking for that dove.

And everybody can do the same. At the end of each chapter, I have put a little paragraph of a process that anyone can do. I'd love that. It is channeling scalar waves. But there are all kinds of little, each chapter has something connected to that particular paranormal experience, which is a little thing that anybody can do lying on their bed.

Just lie on your bed, shut your eyes, breathe and scan your body. Find the tension and release it. Breathe into it. Oh yeah, there's that neck pain. Okay, I found it it breathe into it oh yeah there's that neck pain okay i found it breathe into it into it i'm just like weight on my chest breathe into it all those are great if you have you could put them in your book too you know most of my journey is through different experiences so they all come up you know know what I mean? And I thought that was amazing too. It was like, every tool I had is in there because... So people reading your book will

get the tools. Your book will welcome everybody to learn what you know, which is a great thing. I mean, I had no idea, you know, what I was doing. And that's kind of like why I wanted to show people that, gosh, if you're just present and you lean into this journey, it really is a hero's journey. I mean, I started out the full, not knowing, but open to receive and to trust, you know, my discernment to everything around me that was absolutely showing me signs and symbols around every corner. And it's fun.

Yeah. When you open to it, when you realize synchronicity is the sign, a symbol. So then you start looking for synchronicity and you start noticing them. Yeah. Everything is conscious and everything is always communicating with us. I kind of pushed everything aside, especially when I went into the Pista Sophia writing and I didn't want any outside influence. And I received it for myself without anybody telling me what this means. What is this?

And so I have a very raw, and then I, you know, I've talked to many Gnostic scholars and even like the Hurtogs, you know, who actually have translated, you know, Pistis Sophia. And hearing then their perspective of what they believe, you know, even a scholar perspective was aligning with me and giving me validation. But there was so much wisdom for myself because I didn't allow anybody to influence what I was reading and what I was going through. I didn't let anyone tell me what that meant out in my backyard, right? I could have shared and people could have given their perspectives, but it was mine. I felt like my,

my capital S. Yeah. There was no guides. Like I didn't see that David Monk for that space. It was like, I literally, it was just me and like my higher self. It was very raw and very authentic and no one could ever take it from me because it's my own experience and testimony. Yeah. I've never experienced anything like it, but, and I'm looking at it, you know, from, from my new perspective, my new eyes. And I feel like it was very Jungian, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Jung wants you to look through those eyes of the eternal self, the higher self, the eternal self, the capital S self. Yes, we sometimes have to look through the ego's eyes.

Yes, we do. To get places on time. And the ego keeps us from getting in a car accident and being spaced out. But when you have the luxury to look through the eyes of the authentic self, the eternal, timeless self, it is raw and beautiful And we all can do it. We all have that self. But we get caught on the treadmill of life. Oh, somebody's getting a promotion. They're getting ahead. They're getting ahead. Nobody's getting ahead. It's a circle.

It's a circle. Don't buy into that. They're getting ahead. You know, don't buy into that. There's something else going on here besides what the ego tells you is going on. And you knew it and you experienced it. You didn't let anybody else tell you what it was. No, people would say, oh, you should read this book because they wrote what you're saying.

I'm like, no, no, no. I know I want to read it, but I can't. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Yeah. The reading, I think, is for, but I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Yeah. The reading I think is for before you're in the process, like all these people that I'm talking about, like raw and Seth, I read Seth in my twenties and I read in my forties. So I actually, the law of one in my

book, there was synchronicity around that of how I came to them. I mean, it's the law of one is in my book. There was synchronicity around that of how I came to that. I mean, it's the law of one. That was the message you got. You are home to all. That is the oneness. There is one being. There is one being, one mind. We are all in the one mind.

Even Schrodinger, quantum physicist, Nobel Prize winning quantum physicist Aaron Schrodinger said, the number of minds in the universe is one. And your message is, you are home to all your oneness, you are in the oneness you are. It's very beautiful. So yes, I think you don't need to read at this point. You need your own stuff. You know, I'm not reading. I will read your book. But we read in our past these books. That's how it helped us to find our way. And it will help other people as hopefully your book and my book will help people.

And then they'll put the books down and get their own raw experience. Yeah. Which is what it's about, each of us to wake up. We each need to do it ourselves. We can read and read and get inspired and see the path. But your path was your path, and my path was my path. And each listener has their path. They can see how Neil Donald Walsh did it, or Eckhart Tolle did it, or you did it, or I did it.

But then they got to do it their way. It's unique to each person, how they find their million-year-old man, their higher self, their eternal self. It's there. It's never left us. We just have to, like, focus on it, learn to focus on it and believe in it. I think, you know what I just was thinking, or I heard maybe even, is you need to go and find your tower and get it done. Yeah.

Build your tower, your space. Do you have a writing space where you always write at the same space? Well, I actually have an office. My oldest daughter just bought her own house and she moved out. And I have been all about it. You should see it's so divine. It is the home of your higher self. divine it is the home of your higher self it will be the home of your higher self which is beautiful maybe we all can't have a tower by lake

zurich but we can all have a table yeah and put things on our table that are whatever we put on our table to or a room if you can have a whole room even more wonderful i'm so excited i've never had my own room yeah it's wonderful yeah space for your eternal being to express herself and no matter if you're writing a book or not it's so important to do that yes have your space if you can you know yeah even if it's writing a book or not, it's so important to do that. Yes, have your space if you can, you know. Yeah. Even if it's just a corner of a room. If you live in New York City, it's more like going to be a corner of a room. But if you have a house, well, then you might find a space.

I mean, I have four kids. I've never been able to have anything for myself. Everything, right, you know, has been them. Super excited to, you know, make this room my tower. But you have how many books? I have, this is my fourth published book, but they're all different. This is my only book where I'm talking directly about my experience of finding my capital S. The first book I wrote, I was teaching myself how to write.

It was inspired, I think, by the death of my sister. And so I talk about my daughter, when she was 16, was possessed. So I had these experiences, but I couldn't own them them yet this was 10 years ago that I was writing this book and I couldn't be as direct and honest as I am in here so I wrote a novel and it's called When Every Breath Becomes a Prayer and it's it's a novel about life in Greenwich Village and some things that happened to the character Georgiana. So I was kind of hiding who I was.

And then I started getting channeled information. So I wanted to, I put it in a story. It was called mission from Venus. And I think that's the book I came on about. And then my God told me, this is a trilogy. This is a trilogy. So I read Mission from Venus.

I said, I want to write a trilogy. Oh, I can barely write. So Mission from Venus. Then the second one was The Wanderers on Earth. And then I was writing the third one and I was halfway through it. When Gavin said, I need a book for my series. Stop writing the trilogy. And now I'm halfway through the third book and I will finish it using my new writing skills from Oxford. But this is raw, to use your word.

I love it. Just hanging out there. Whereas the other three books that are published so far are stories. And, you know, people love stories. I love stories. But I really thank Gavin. Gavin is a major person at Collective Ink Books, formerly John Hunt Books, who publishes my books, for asking me to do this. Because I wouldn't have known to write this. I wouldn't

have had the courage to write it. Because he said, can you do it? And can you hurry up and do it? Stop doing what I was doing and did it. I love Gavin. Gavin is the best, the topper most of the popper most. If anybody wants to write a book, he's so encouraging. I'm going to actually offer my book to Gavin first before anyone else. Yeah. Gavin has helped build sense of soul, sending amazing guests like you. And I'm sure that the rest of

the series i've had them on before i mean i've had hundreds and hundreds of his writers from gavin yeah yeah and gavin i've had gavin yeah from his book yeah well he's writing now he's writing a book for this series paranormal so i'm excited You'll have all five of us on. I thank you so much, Susan, for being a part of my journey and for sharing. I thank you for being part of mine. Really, truly. It's amazing. And I can't wait to see how this whole series goes. I think it's going to be great. Do you have a website? Yes. Susanplunkett.com. Thank you. Thanks for listening to Sense of Soul podcast. And thanks to our special guests for

joining me. If you want more of Sense of Soul, check out my website at www.mysenseofsoul.com, where you can work with me one-on-one or help support Sense of Soul podcast by donating to my coffee fund. Thanks for listening.