Sense of Soul - Ancient Plant Medicine and Modern Therapy Luxury Retreat

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

Today on Sense of Soul we have, Gerard Powell. He is an author. leading conscious entrepreneur, thought leader, a philanthropist and a public speaker whose mission is to transform lives. The Science of Allowing Abundance Through Honesty. He is also the founder of Rythmia Life Advancement Center in Costa Rica, the "go-to" facility for a spiritually awakening experience. For years, Gerard was living the "American Dream" as a multi-millionaire who had it all. Yet, deep down, he knew he was missing something and the more success he achieved, the more he fell into darkness of depression. Through he’s own personal crisis, struggling with drugs, alcohol and thoughts of ending it all, he was initiated into the journey of self-transformation. He traveled the world and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in search of every healing modality he could. He then turned his pain into purpose and was inspired to create Rythmia, through a powerful encounter with plant medicine he was transformed and liberated him from a lifetime of suffering. Gerard now spends his days living at the resort and guides each guest seeking their personal transformation. Over 94 percent of the guests, have reported that they received their "miracle.” Gerard (Gerry) Powell is a philanthropic entrepreneur, author, and inspirational speaker. He is the founder and CEO of Rythmia Life Advancement Center in Costa Rica, the largest medically licensed facility in the world to offer ayahuasca (indigenous plant medicine). Gerry is an expert businessman skilled at starting, growing, and selling companies for profit. His path brought him all the financial abundance he could imagine, including selling his last company for $89 million in 2004. Although Gerard was wealthy, he was plagued with darkness, addiction, and sadness. Finally, after years of fruitless therapy sessions and rehab, Gerry was brought back to light through plant medicine and metaphysics. In gratitude for the plants, he has devoted his life's work to bringing people closer to the wonder of metaphysical plant medicine. www.gerardarmondpowell.com https://www.rythmia.com www.senseofsoulpodcast.com

Sense of soul. Hey soul seekers, it's Shanna. Journey with me to discover how people around the world awaken to their true sense of soul. Now go grab your coffee. Open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sense of Soul, we have Gerard Powell, leading consciousness entrepreneur, thought leader, philanthropist, and a public speaker. whose mission is to transform lives.

He is the author of the bestseller Truth Economics, the science of allowing abundance through honesty, and the book, Shit the Moon Said, a story of sex, drugs, and ayahuasca. He is also the founder of the Rhythmia Life Advancement Center, the go-to facility for a spiritual awakening experience. Located in Costa Rica,

it is the largest medically licensed facility, in the world to offer ayahuasca, and he's with us today to share his journey. Hi. Hi, how are you? Good. How are you doing? Good. Thank you so much for joining me.

Very glad to be here. I was so excited because I have had a hell of a last 30 or so days. And I haven't really been podcasting. I've had to cancel a lot of people. Yeah. Where do you live, Shanna? I'm in Colorado. And in what part there?

So I'm like southeast Aurora. Oh, nice. And how are you doing you? Okay. I'm doing okay. My partner is in the hospital with Cespice. Oh, Jesus. It's been a long road.

Thank goodness for the tools that I had prior because it's really helped me get by. And I think that is so important for me to continue what I'm doing so I can share that. beautiful that's beautiful have you been here no but i really wish i would it should be my guess come now come now and it can really make a difference at times like this this is the times of the greatest growth are what i've seen in people the greatest growth are in times like this if they have very hard times yes yes you know and i and i know that your journey also has kind of a pain to a story as well. Yeah, rough, rough times. Tell me about you. I'm really a regular kind of guy that had harder upbringing than than average, but not horrible, like nobody killed anybody or

anything like that. So I had a challenging upbringing, and I was a challenging kid. I had, you know, ADD before it was diagnosable and, you know, I was getting thrown out of schools left and right. And always in trouble, always in trouble. I ended up getting kicked out of all the schools of my area. And so, you know, I left high school in the year before senior junior year. And I never graduated. And as it turns out, I was okay at business. I became a millionaire in my 20s.

And back then, a million dollars was a lot of money. This was in the 80s, yeah. and I took a company public, and I, at 43, I sold a company for $90 million that I was the largest shareholder in and the founder and all that. I quit working at that time, but all the problems in my life that have been with me that whole time kind of bubbled up. I call money the great accelerant, yeah? So whatever problems someone might be experiencing, if you throw money at it, those problems become very apparent.

And I was a horrible person. I was addicted to drugs, alcohol, horrible relationship style. I was constantly with new and different women and just not good. My family relationships were strained. I was a bad person. But I was a good business person. And, you know, it's interesting because we're always looking at our worst parts to become better. But I lost my will to live because I thought, you know, who has this much money and hates their life?

And I really did. I hated my life. You know, when I would wake up, I'd be like, oh, not this again. You know, like I just thought if there was a God, I saw all the time pray. If there's a God, I won't wake up tomorrow. If there's a God, I won't wake up tomorrow, you know. And, yeah, and it just got all over the place. And so one thing led to another, and I went to passages, which was a rehab center in Malibu, California.

And I met a great doctor, Dr. Jeff McNary at that place. and he became my therapist for the next, I guess, 17 years. We're 17 years at it now. But in those first few years, I made very little progress. And one day I told him I was going to kill myself and he said, you know, you can't do that. And why don't you take a vacation? I took a vacation. And on that vacation, I met a woman through the serendipitous thing.

and she came and visited me there and told me about a friend of hers who tried this one type of plant medicine and he sounded just like me she said he was an asshole he was you know not good with women you know problematic

alcohol drugs the whole thing and she said he went to this place and a way it transformed his life and I didn't believe it but I was out of options. You know, I was just out of options, and I had spent the better part of $700,000 on rehab therapy, the latest thing, you know, this, that, and the other thing,

help things to, because I thought that might have been the issue and whatnot. And the whole thing evolved to a point that I ended up going to this plant medicine place in Costa Rica And in one evening of a seven-night stay, in one evening I saw why I was the way that I was, and I forgave myself for who I was. And that started this process that is still ongoing, but it was the turning point in my life, was this place. and I had this the most amazing ceremony. In a follow-up ceremony to that ceremony, this, what I believe is God, came to me and said, said, hey, you have to do this for other people,

that your life wasn't a mistake, that I've put you through all that so that you could do this, and, you know, I choose you to do this one particular thing for me. Uh-huh. And I said, yes. you know, because, like, for the first time of my life, I was okay with being alive. Uh-huh. So life was, it was okay.

And, you know, over the next 12 years, whatever it's been since then, that was in 2014. So, yeah, 12 years. You know, since then, I don't do any drugs. I don't drink alcohol. And I did for a long time. I continued to drink alcohol, but less and less. Every year until there was no more. I don't smoke cigarettes.

I don't take any kind of pills as addicted to cigarettes. I don't take any kind of pills as addicted to pills. I only take supplements and some stem cells and things like that. But nothing of a medical nature at all. That's not true. I take a stomach pill for cholesterol. That's all I take. That's prescribed.

So my whole life has gone through this. radical shake-up. And, you know, I continue in this journey to learn more and more and more and to hopefully evolve and to become a better person. When I say a better person, I don't mean like getting a star from God. I mean by becoming a beneficial presence to others. That's what I call that thing. And, you know, that I've learned so, so much initially. My burdens were so much that I went into this joyous phase. And then the burdens of life catch you again.

And how this life that we live, I'm 62 now. But the life that we live like, we start to understand that all these parts are part of us and that all of them are beautiful, even the hardest, darkest, most challenging. That was the, God, I'm talking a lot, but that was one of the things that I would always pray for, because I felt so beat up.

I would pray for ease. I would pray for comfort. I pray for like ease in ease and when will it stop. And the thing is what I have come to learn that these cycles of awareness and then we go down a new road and that road brings pain and that pain is on purpose and then a new awareness. And it's a constant thing. And if you can be aware of it when you're in it, there's a peace and a joy and a satisfaction that can happen in all parts of it. It's just not the sleigh ride, but it's carrying that sleigh at the hill and falling down and hitting your face and being rejected and being made fun of for falling. And like, this is all part of it.

It's all exactly what, like, there's not a doctor in the world. who could write a prescription that's more accurate for your evolution than your own life. It's this beautiful prescription, and it's hardest on the days that it's hardest. But if you can be aware of it, while in those hardest of hard days, it starts to become super satisfying. So I always talk to people about like satiation feels like I never knew like you could get drunk so they're so drunk you saw three people and it wasn't drunk enough and you know, make so much money that you couldn't spend it. But I found out you can always spend it. It just was never that I couldn't have sex through it. I couldn't get money and have that do it.

I couldn't have notoriety do it. Nothing would do it for me. And yet, understanding these cycles and then helping other people. So when we go from, I Need Relief, changes in that moment. And when we can remember these things and like being aware, people talk about awareness all the time. And I never even really honestly understood what the hell they were talking about. I didn't get it, uh-huh.

But for us, if we can be aware of these cycles and know where we're at, and sometimes I get caught in this cycle, and I'm thinking, how fucking bad is this going to get? You know, am I near the top? Like, is this who, what the hell who's walking through the door next? I got, you know, what problem is in the process of exploding? But when I catch myself and I realize that I'm in the process and I allow it, then I go right up the hill and go over the thing. So it's like that and helping others are the two big things. That's what's provided the greatest relief for me, you know?

Yeah. I share that mission as well and that I have learned through my challenges. And you know, it's so interesting how you said when you can catch them. that because it's something I've been saying a lot lately. You're right with life's challenges and when you're in the chaos, it's easy to get lost in it. But if you can catch it, if you can catch that thought that goes by that says you don't matter or you're not doing enough, if you can catch that if you really become the witness of it in that moment, you've won. You did right then. Right then. and you've regained that power instead of surrendering to the chaos,

you're in the driver's seat again. So true. So, so, so true. And I love that. I love that you, like, that's part of what you see and you recognize. Because this pattern recognition stuff, you know, and I wish somebody taught me this when I was younger, you know, it's just so crazy that we teach children every thing.

but that, like, just to, that you're going to be doing some stuff that you're going to continue to do. And when you see it more than twice, pay attention, like, simple things you could teach kids that at least create recognition of these things, you know? Yeah. I've been working on that with my youngest daughter. She's 13 and 13. I forgot what it was to have a 13-year-old daughter. I had had one before. She's now 20s of six, but I've been telling her to catch those thoughts and to speak to herself like she would her best friend to catch those negative thoughts and to love that part of herself. Yeah. That's amazing stuff to tell. And I think kids get an idea that from the media usually advertising and things like that,

that life should be, you know, rainbows and rocket ships and shopping sprees. And like the real truth of it is that life doesn't even happen there. It happens in the grit. All of the good stuff is in that grid. All of it. Amazing. I know any time I'm faced with challenges, I'm like, okay. What will I learn from this?

You know, it's almost like climbing a really tall mountain to find yourself sometimes at the bottom of the next one. Yeah. Knowing that you are only getting stronger with each mountain and only looking back to see how far you've come. Yeah. I really do believe that even the real chosen, it's like the Christ and the Buddhists and the Dalai Lamas and all these people. people. Not one of them had an easy call of it. Not one of them, right? The Chinese proverb, right? May you live in interesting times can be like translated to say, hey, I hope your life is fulled with challenges. Because of life, an easy life, I don't even know if anybody, anybody ever gets one. I haven't seen them. I don't know why this is popping up for me, but it's just on my soul to ask you. I used to ask this question a lot, and I haven't in a long time.

But one time I asked Neil Donald Walsh this, and he really killed it, so I'm going to challenge you. If you had to describe your soul today, how would you describe your soul? So I want to say something. I've had 352 plant medicine journeys. The more that I do, the less that I know. So the more that I do, honestly, the less that I know. I know that these certain things are reinforced by it, but the rest of the mysteries are mysteries and they will be mysteries during this lifetime for me.

But the origin of the soul or what is the soul, I don't know what it is, but I know it's characteristics, right? It's the thing in me that was here before me. It's the thing in me that'll be here after me. It's the thing in me that's in common with everybody else. I have uniquenesses. My handprint is different, and my iris print is different.

My proportions are different. But my soul is like. So the thing that makes us all the same is that thing. And it's such a mysterious and odd thing that, hey, I've never been born, I'll never die,

that I'm the temporary thing, but me is not. Uh-huh. Like this thing, and it's hard to get, but you see it a lot in plant medicine. You see that if the soul was notion and we all are carrying the cup, that's the thing. It's the exact same water that you have. When I read the Constitution where it says that everybody is equal, I completely disagree with

that because on earth, we're naughty. You might look prettier than me. I might be a better baseball player than you. Our IQs are different. Our bodies are different. You know, LeBron James is 10 times the athlete could ever be, so we're naughty

but our souls are. And this is the thing. And so if we're here and our souls are here, if our souls are a higher vibratory entity than us, and we're all part of that

and that is the same, then all of us are created equal. That is where that, I believe, comes from. So the sole thing is interesting one, you know, but it's something I see out there often. I'm going to tell you an anecdotal story. So I sometimes go down these rabbit holes with the medicine, that, you know, if everything is good in my life,

I might say, I might get real wild and say, like, show me the face of God or something wild, you know, just to do it. And one day I asked to see the face of God. And I got put into this operating room. And the operating room had 30 or 40 foot drapes, and it was in the round. And in the middle of this, this thing was a table, an operating table. And when you were in the presence of this draped off thing, The love that you felt, I was crying in my journey because I was just experiencing this love that transcends words.

And when I could focus on what was going on in the operating table, a insect I couldn't describe was like a surgeon operating on a praying mantis. And I thought, I knew you were going to say that. I, like, totally. Is that true? Very visual, so I'm, like, visualized this. And I saw a praying mantas first, and you said you didn't know that, yeah. Wow. Wow.

Wow, you're amazing. So in that moment, and I thought, you know, if these little bugs are the face of God, then everything must be. Every single thing must be the face of God, right? every pen that we hold or tree these, it's all the face of God, all of it. It's everywhere. Yeah, you know what? I also love that you mentioned that of all the, how many ayahuasca ceremonies have you done? 353, I think, is the right number. Okay, wow. That's pretty amazing. But something you said, I can really, really connect with. You said that, well, this is how I was receiving it, that the more you've done, the less you know.

And yeah, you know what I feel? I've been experiencing something similar. The deeper I get into this journey, the less I hold on to beliefs. And so the less I know, actually, in many ways. And I have found just to allow myself just to not hold on so tightly to any beliefs. to any belief because I never know when I'm going to expand or I'm going to change my mind. And I think that right now, looking at the world, that's really something I'm seeing in this difficult. That's a big challenge for people. People are just really right or left, you know, right? Yes. Yes. All these things. You know what I mean? And now, although I have much

respect for for many things and i can pull things out of every single place i i learned from it's like i don't hold on too tightly anymore because i feel like the same as you is like the more i know the less i know interesting right and there's such beauty in the the christian religion there is uh-huh and and and there's so much beauty in christ but when when you take a look at the whole thing And you say, okay, Christianity, there's 35 different types, uh-huh, uh-huh. If you go to any, any tradition, if you go to the ayahuasca tradition, there's nine different types. If you go to the Oboga tradition, there's seven different types. If you go to the Muslim tradition, if you go to Judaism, there's so many different.

And what do they all have in common? They think theirs is the only way. That's what's in common. Uh-huh. And they might be right, all of them. Interesting. So, you know, I've never done ayahuasca. So I've played a lot with mushrooms and other things, but I've always wanted to. And here in Colorado, actually, supposedly, it is maybe not legal.

I forget how. Being criminalized is the word. And so it's definitely something that I feel is such a sacred thing that I would never want to just take it. hey, if I can pick it up from somebody and do it on my own. I feel like, you know, these things need to be treated more as ceremony, right? Yes. Yeah. Tell me about ayahuasca.

So ayahuasca at Rhythmia is different. And I want to tell you what makes it different. Yeah, so number one, Rhythmia has 200 employees. When I first did these medicines, I was invited to other places to do them. The sentence setting is everything. And the medicine itself is, if it's done properly, is overwhelming. Now, to be overwhelmed by the medicine and at the same time, be in a jungle or being spoken to in a language, you don't understand, it can really push it too far. So we created a place where the medicine is the medicine is.

done in a traditional manner, but you have clean beds, beautiful rooms, a swimming pool, great food, yoga, meditation, breath work, class work programming around this one-on-one counseling, group counseling. There's all of this that goes into the week that's familiar so that the journey itself doesn't become overwhelming. Now, I say it's familiar. It's the hardest week's work you'll ever do because you're getting catapulted into a mirror of self, and it's really, really a lot.

There's a lot of crying. There's a lot of, you know, a lot of pain, you know, because you're transmuting maybe 40 years worth of pain. in a week, but ayahuasca is many things to many different people, but the greatest definition of the word that I've heard is in the Colombian basin of Punta Mayo, where the word ayahuasca, the meaning of it is the vine of the dead. So that ayahuasca event is the death process without physical death. It feels like you're dying. Uh-huh. And it is the death process. And parts of you do die in that event. But it's the parts that, and I hate because it's so cliche,

but the parts that are no longer serving are the parts that go first. I want to comment on that real quick. I had one time here in Colorado, Denver, I'd went to a cacao ceremony. And it was a young Costa Rican shaman. And he was on like a mission, you know. And what he said, I will never forget. He said, we experience our first death when we leave our mother's breast. He really changed my view on that transition being so final and it's so depressing and there's so much grief and all that. And he really made me shift and see it from a different perspective. Very beautiful. I love it too because, you know, that's what it is. And the real good stuff on Anahuasca happens and it's scary is when you leave your body and you're looking at your body and you're going.

you know that process removes the fear of death from your normal life so so like when you die and you know that that this thing keeps going and i really believe that subconsciously until you have a death experience you're almost all of your thoughts are controlled by the fear of death. And once that goes away, if death is not the worst thing that can happen to you and maybe one of the best things, then life can be lived because you're not in fear of dying. And so you get to maybe love a little differently than you would and be vulnerable more than it might make sense. Because when we're in that fear, and that's what I see Lee, people. So when they leave Rhythmia, they're leaving without fear. And that is great. And then that starts a whole new process, right? The life without fear. Okay, so my best friends had two near-death experiences. And so I always feel like I can't completely understand what she's

feeling. So I got to catch up and do your come to Rhythmia so I could be like, yeah, now we're, we understand. I would love the few came. I mean, it sounds amazing. And, you know, is it that, do you believe it's that DMT drop? Or the D, is it the DMT? Can we talk about that? That is. And here's another thing I don't know. So, like, I have done, you know, straight DMT, smoke DMT. And the experience of ayahuasca in a its wholeness is a different experience than DMT isolate. Now, they look a lot of like at certain parts, but there's something in the combination of the plants that make ayahuasca. That feels like I honestly feel that you can, if you're not careful, that if you're spoken 5MEO or something, you can actually do some damage to the light body because it's so much so quick that it's hugely

overwhelming, hugely overwhelming. So what I think is smoking DMT can be just way too much too quick. So the ayahuasca, which is the combination of the two plants and has all of the other parts of the plants in it, is a smoother, more gradual elevation to that point than is the DMT experience, in my opinion. Now, there are tons of what they call psychonauts out there that say, oh, no, smoking the DMT is the greatest thing. And it all depends, too, what your intentions are. So if your intentions are purely to explore, I believe that there's no bounds.

Try whatever you want to try, explore, explore, score, but if you're trying to solve some of the mysteries of the soul or trying to get a better footing in your everyday life, then ayahuasca is a great, I find it to be the greatest of all the teaching plants is the tea of ayahuasca to be great. I really do myself. So I've heard there's, you know, with each medicine or each plant, there is its own vibe, right? It's its own and its own dimension, I would use. And I've also heard sometimes people will, you know, after talking, you know,

hey, this happened to me. Oh my gosh, you saw that? I saw something like that. Can you speak on that? That's one of my favorite things. So what makes Rhythmia kind of cool is that, so you've got to figure 20,000 people have been here. 80,000 unique ceremonial experiences. So we see a lot of commonalities, right? And I'm, you know, what's great about our will to survive,

our earth will to survive is our ability for pattern recognition, right? so like, don't touch the stove, you know, and that, like, I did that once, so we can identify these patterns. And when you see stories that are similar, and I meet the same, people are seeing the same thing and talking to the same being and getting the same story. And, and like, they're all coming back with the same thing. Not all, but I'm going to say there's probably 20 themes out of the 80,000 that are 80% of time the most common. So the same

beings, the same thoughts, the same you know, I'm everything and I'm nothing is a big, big, big theme how you're everything and you're nothing at the same time. I mean, you're huge and small at the same time. It's a real common one. The praying mantis is a very common one for

for whatever reason, yeah. And, you know, these beings, the mother, coming to the mother of the grandmother is a very common one. But the talk is much the same, that all of these little things of life are insignificant, and that this love is omnipotent. It's the biggest thing and that the closer we remain to nature in the natural order of things, the easier our life will be. So when we make false concessions, like whatever doesn't involve love-based natural selection, that things aren't going in a way that they should go. The further we remove ourselves from that, the harder the snapback is.

So, in other words, if I want to create a thing where in my world, I want everybody to bow to me, I want them to be afraid of me and vow to them. Well, if I'm not the person who deserves that, and I'm imposing a non-manual, sense of order amongst others who do that, then the repercussion of that is going to be very hard. It's not going to happen when they all want it to happen, but it will happen and it will be hard. So the further we get away from the natural order of things, the more lessons we're going to learn. So I always try to stay to the best that I can or aware of what that natural order is that all people have value.

You know, forcing a tree to act like a wolf is not going to work. You know, you have to kill the tree and carve it out of the dead wood in order to make that tree a wolf. It's an inanimate, well, it's not gone anywhere. So by allowing people to be what they naturally are, and then for those people to be aware that in order to survive on earth, they might have to bend from their natural order to conform to earth order because there's this celestial order where I don't have to work. I don't have to, I'm going to be fed by the sun.

I'm going to da-da-da-da-da. And then there's the earth thing of, hey, you've got to get out and plant some food and then watch it and then water it and then harvest it and then you got to do all that shit. But that's part of the natural order, too, that we have to work for our food. You know, I get a charge out of people that say, you know, housing is a birthright. Well, it's not. You know, like, if you were dropped into a jungle, uh-huh, nothing is a birthright. You have to go and make your house and you have to go and get your food. You know, like, nobody picks the berry and runs over and throws it in your mouth. You have to go. pick the berries. You know what I mean? There's this. It would be, you know, maybe in the next

life. I don't know. I say that often. That's so true. And, you know, I think that right now, I don't know in Costa Rica, but, you know, here in Colorado, we have all four seasons. And I tell you, nature has been one of my greatest teachers for sure. It can't hold on to those leaves. You know, it has to surrender. It has to let go. I mean, I spend so much time with my trees and watch every step, every day. Sometimes in one day, you know, I've seen this transition into death, you know, just on one branch, you know. It's so amazing. Things happen that fast here in Colorado.

I love that. And I love, I do miss four seasons. I do. I bet. You know, I loved to see snow and spring flowers and that feeling of, you know, that feeling of, of people wearing less clothes, like that, going from shedding like your scarf and your hat and, you know, wearing the T-shirt. Right, got my flannel on.

Yeah, like, I just love that, yeah. And there's just part of me that does miss that. Yeah. You know, I also, speaking of the tree, you know, I mean, the deeper the roots, right? The stronger it is and the higher, you know, it can great. And how much is grounding in being able to, you know, return back into your roots here on Earth after ascending so far sometimes in those journeys? Yeah. And that's one of the great lessons too, right? Because that's what we're doing in our life.

Yeah. We just came from that journey and we got squeezed out into this. Uh-huh. and that's like where what, what happened? I was, I was warm, fed, a new God, and now a sudden I'm on my home. So that's kind of this journey, and that's part of the plant medicine journey, is that, hey, I was there. So I have a great friend that started the Agape Spiritual Center in Los Angeles, and his name is Michael Beckwith, and he's one of the best speakers.

I know he's on my board. And he's really a good guy. This is the thing. And he's a guy's guy. He's like a really great kind of masculine, a beautiful guy. Beautiful. But he always says, look, if you go to heaven, if you go to the astral's, and you come back to Earth, empty-handed, it was worthless. The whole idea is to bring someone.

of that here. So when you bring it down and not. So one of the first things that happens to people when they do medicines, they get, holy shit, I saw God. I spoke to God and you haven't. I know more than you know. That's the first phase of this, right? And they become really, not all people, but some people become very pompous for a short time. And that's not bringing down the highest parts. That's bringing down the lowest parts of it, right? So as we get to do this more often, and we see that this thing that you want to bring is compassion,

the thing that you want to bring is closeness to nature, the thing that you want to bring. Then when you're coming back, and you're taking it here with you. Now that's... That's beautiful. Yeah. I understand that.

You know, it's funny. It's like one of those things where I remember when I first start having synchronities like crazy, I was like, holy shit. I must be like blessed by God. I just letting me like the hugest signs and they were, it was so magnificent. So I understand that feeling, you know, like, how I'm special. This is special. And then you realize.

I mean, now, you know, I'm grateful for them, you know, very grateful for them. I lean into them. And there is like this an awakening period that we, and I've seen it a lot with people where they have this very powerful gift that they're given. And the ego comes in and says, oh, yeah, look at us, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But it's the oneness that you would eventually understand, like, oh, wow, like you are divine and so am I, and we're all part of the divine. Very true. Super. So I was looking on your website. Actually, I was talking you pretty good this morning and listening to your talks and other interviews. And, you know, I mean, I seriously was like, oh, my God, I would love to go to this place and may I have to put it on my bucket list. Hey, I will be 50 next year. You know, I'll do something special with, I'll gift myself a trip, which I never go anywhere because, you know, my hands are so full. But, you know, doing something for yourself for a week, a week out of your year. Can you believe? Oh, my God, how selfish. Yeah. You know, if I would take some of the money that I've wasted so much on things that really don't serve me. And, you know, spend on my health that could be, like, it sounds like there's been people who have been transformed and lifetime changes at Rhythmia. Absolutely.

Yeah, though, I mean, and this is the truth. So when people leave, they write or they electronically get this survey, uh-huh, and 97.1-2, so 971 out of every thousand people that come through, say they had a life-changing miracle during their stay. And then at six months, 90.22%, so 900 out of every thousand say that this was the week that changed their life. So like this is a life-changing. And when I say that, that includes all medical issues, that includes business issues they're having, a lot of relationship issues, a lot like whatever the thing is that they're having,

because there's no physical issue that is not a response to a spiritual issue. There's nothing I agree with you. There's not. There's nothing I've ever seen. You know, I just told my partner that the other day in the hospital and he's fighting this infection in his body. I said, you know, even though I don't hold on to a lot of beliefs,

the one thing that I know is that we're multi-dimensional. and yes, fixing your body is important, but as is the mind, how positive you are, you know, and that you believe that you can do this, but even more forgotten that we are divine beings that have infinite possibilities that are actually incomprehensible really to the mind and to the body and the people working on you. So get rid of all those limitations. We've been kept in a small box, and we need to bust out of that. I believe you're right. I do. Yeah. And I swear, I'm going to get off of this call today, and I'm going to text my best friend and say, hey, you want to have another close to near-death experience

and go with Mr. Jerry Powell? You, both you and her will be my guest. And I want to tell you, know the funny thing is, is that when we need a break like this the most, it's at the time that it's the hardest to say yes to the break. But that's where we have to overcome to do it. Because if we wait to the time that we can go, we don't need it then. We need it now. We need it when we can't go. When everything's falling apart, that's the time that you're most accessible to it.

That is the time when you're in your deepest, I'm going to say pain or confusion or personal struggle, whatever the thing is, that is the time. Uh-huh. It's not when we've conquered. It's not on this side. This isn't where. This is where. That's when, and that's when nobody can go, except those that say, the hell of it, I'm going. And everybody's going to have to deal with it.

That's right. You said, I'm going to play this for my family. Everyone's sit down. Because if mom ain't good, nobody good, okay? Right. For sure. There's truth in that. There is.

Yeah. You have just lifted my spirits today. Thank you so much. I so needed this conversation. I knew that I did. I'm so happy you had me. And I loved reading you, Shum. Like, loved it.

Thank you so much. I love what you're doing. I love that you, you turned your pain into purpose and you followed the call. And thank you for what you're, it's truly amazing. I really would love to, you know, visit you. I hope that I can. Please do. That would be amazing.

Tell everybody if they wanted to go, where do they go to find out more? Your website, plug yourself. It's www.rhythmia, r-y-h-M-I-A.com. and just go in and take a look and see what we offer and who all comes and I'm sure you'll be amazed honestly yeah I know you've had some pretty big people there I was listening a lot of people coming I was like cool moly yeah but it's a beautiful it's a beautiful thing you know and this is a great time for that so right yeah it's the right time for sure all right thank you so much thank you so much Anna thank you and I'm waiting to

see you here. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be there with my with my little beach hat and everything. Come down. All right. Thanks, Jerry. Hey, soul seeker. Are you curious? Are you hungry to know? Do you have eyes that now see? Do you have ears that can hear? Have you to hear? Have you discovered your sense of soul you're more than you know more than a body more than the thoughts that echo in your mind you've got that sense of soul you are waking turn your pain into purpose climb that mountain and only look back to see how far you come share your story you'll Find you not alone

Find that life within Discover that sense of soul Sense of soul Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Hey, hey, me.