Sense of Soul - Be Brave and Be a Change Maker in the World

Episode Date: March 22, 2024

Today on Sense of Soul podcast we have Maria Pavlova, aka Masha. She is Masha is a speaker, coach, and multiple-time #1 International Bestselling Business Author, as well as CEO of the 24-hour Pause for Peace: A worldwide concert uniting hearts with music and love, guided by future generations, working through PEAC Institute, a Nobel Peace Prize-winning non-profit.  She recently co-authored with her hero, Dr. Joe Vitale (The Secret) and submitted a chapter as a co-author with James Redfield (The Celestine Prophecy) and Ken Honda (Happy Money: The Japanese Art of Making Peace With Your Money.)  Having paved the way to overcoming obstacles, transitioning from a complete health collapse to traveling to India and holding hands with His Holiness, The Dalai Lama. Continuously achieving the seemingly impossible in record time has earned her the title, Masha “Ms. Yes I’ll Take the Leap” Pavlova. Masha is on a mission to unite heart-centered individuals as well as organizations to create personal, professional, and social change, working locally while thinking globally. Her recent project is massive, in collaborating with other like minded souls, a Global 24-Hour Pause for Peace: A worldwide concert uniting hearts with music and love, guided by future generations, scheduled for October 2025. Taking a first step to a world where peace is not just a hope, but an everyday reality.  Learn everything and more at her websites below: http://connectwithmasha.com https://www.24hourpauseforpeace.org Follow her journey on social media  @connectwithmasha Learn more about Sense of Soul Podcast: https://www.senseofsoulpodcast.com Check out the NEW affiliates! https://www.mysenseofsoul.com/sense-of-soul-affiliates-page   Follow Sense of Soul on Patreon, and join to get ad free episodes, circles, mini series and more! https://www.patreon.com/senseofsoul Follow Sense of Soul on Social Media! https://www.mysenseofsoul.com/sos-links    

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monthly circles, and much more. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sense of Soul, I have Maria Pavlova, and some know her as Masha. She is a thought leader and innovator, a speaker and coach, and she's also a multiple-time number one international best-selling author. Masha is on a huge mission. Not only is she helping people break through the glass ceiling, her purpose has also turned global, putting together a 24-hour pause for peace worldwide in hopes that this is the

first step to not only just have world peace for 24 hours, but to make that a reality every day. And this beautiful soul is with me today, and I can't wait to share her with you. So please welcome Masha. Santa, hello, hello. Hey, how you doing? Good. Busy, busy, the good kind of busy. I feel like there needs to be a different word for that. I so understand what you're saying. Okay, we need to come up with a new name because I feel that way

too. People are always like, how are you? And I hate to say just busy because I'm like busy in a good way. Yeah, there's got to be a different term. Like improductive doesn't feel flowing enough. Like it feels like it needs that completion element and the progression element, but also needs to be like with peace and self-care. Yeah. Well, if you think of a name, will you please let me know? Because busy just sounds chaotic.

Yeah. And there are times that I do spread myself too thin. It's what led me in the hospital. It's what broke my body such a long time ago. And I would like to find a different word other than what I was using in a very unhealthy space. It's triggering. Yeah.

To a person who has moved through that and came to a place where they have a conscious life. Being busy does not sound conscious. No, no. So it needs to have that conscious element. Yeah. This is going to, this is going to be marinating. Tell me a little bit about you. Tell me your story. How did you come to where you are today? So I feel like everything that I have in my life has been just placed in front of me at the right time. And I feel like I've been taken out all of the situations going all of the wrong paths. It's like, nope, nope, nope. Course correct. Here we go. I was born in Soviet Russia, Soviet Union, technically. So

during the Soviet Union, just past my anniversary of coming here 24 years ago, just found my home here continuously over and over again. And interestingly enough, and I have, you know, the immigrant story, all of these things, and life has been bringing that back up. However, my life has really been looking at the pinnacles of me, who I am, what has really been in my awareness from a very early age is what I now will define as neurology, psychology, physiology, how people work. How do we problem solve? How do we risk minimize? How do we take somebody who is, for example, putting like complaining in their life

on a regular basis and saying, well, you have a choice. You can either choose to accept what is in that case, that will look like not complaining. Like you can make a conscious choice to stay where you are, or you can make a conscious choice to change. And people say, well, that's risky. And then the next question is, if that's the route that you want to go, then how do we minimize that risk? How do you actually create what you want? And so, and I remember doing this as a kid and I would piss my friends off, my family members. They're like, okay, just, just stop. Like you weren't, nobody asked you like seriously. And I was told I wasn't smart enough. I was told, you know, this isn't something for me to follow. I was starting too late and you know, all of the things. And I was told I wasn't smart enough. I was told, you know, this isn't something for me to follow. I was starting too late and, you know, all of the things. And so I believed them

at the time, went down the creative path, became a photographer, was told that's not a career. So I needed to be more serious, but not as serious as that over there. So I went into graphic design and funny enough, that was the first pivot point where life was like, nope, and took me out and put me back in photography. I was still in school. I started getting photography jobs. I started my own business, had the opportunity to grow that very fast. And interestingly enough, photography was my cover. What I was doing behind the scenes is really recognizing challenges that in that case, women were having that were coming to me for having their kids photographed, but then wouldn't get in the photos because of the things that were coming up for them.

And so I learned to solve for that piece, build an entire business from it, and was really having this transformative experience where the woman would come in. We would create this elaborate process, which again, I learned later that it's NLP, used all of the senses, essentially where we were anchoring the person who she wanted to be in all of her facets into this process. And then the photograph would really capture that. So she would have something that would trigger those new patterns and help alleviate the old ones, help step away from the old ones. Loved what I was doing and then at the same time there was always this little voice that was nagging at me from the back of my head about doing something more doing something bigger changing the world and it would scare loving daylight out of me so I'm like nope it's not gonna not even gonna look there we're just gonna stay with the busyness because that's what success is and you know it got to the

point where I was by that definition successful so I was booking three months out I was consistent I was charging premium it was amazing I was having the time of my life and yet it was at the expense of not paying attention to my body not paying attention to this bigger purpose not paying attention to my everyday life because it looked like oh I don't need another weekend you know I can work through this space. I can, you know, I can go to sleep at three in the morning. I can wake up at seven. That's fine. Oh, that busyness again.

Which, you know, isn't that funny? The word business is busyness. Gosh, we need a whole new vocabulary. That's the goal. The whole new vocabulary and the way to think about it, right? Yes, more importantly. Oh gosh, I'm like if i could if everybody in the world can hear this because this relates to business owners this relates to

individuals like i don't it doesn't matter where you are in life and what you're doing you need to hear this because there's a voice that calls for us always it's always there regardless of how much we mask it up right and i was i say, unfortunately fortunate enough that it got to the point where life was like, okay, enough of that. And so end of 2019, I ended up having an emergency surgery. It's so funny to me that there's an ambulance. I'm talking about this. I ended up in the emergency room. That was a great sound effect. Yeah, it was out of nowhere. And because I had a sudden pain and they said at the time, actually, it was like, oh, it was your appendix, right?

You need an appendectomy. And interestingly enough, I woke up in the hospital and the pain was still there. And they're like, oh, well, that's normal. And then I started developing more symptoms and like, oh, well, that's just, you know, that's just the anesthesia wearing off. And things kept getting worse and symptoms kept developing where all of a sudden my hand stopped working, where all of a sudden I couldn't hold a cup of tea or my phone in my hand. And then I went to get up one day, my legs stopped working.

So I just fell over. And my body slowly shut down over the course of a couple of weeks, a couple of months, just symptoms kept developing where all of a sudden the life that I knew how to do, I couldn't physically or mentally or emotionally do anymore. It felt like everything was just gone. And it was that point where everything is gone. And at first, it seems like all you have left is the feeling sorry for yourself and the sadness and the grief and everything that comes with that, the reasoning, the trying to understand, the anger, frustration, all of that. At least for me, it was every single morning, it's like, this is all I have. This is all I have. And every single day, it's like, it's getting kind of old. I'm getting tired of always feeling like this. And

I'm starting to wonder at that point, is there something different I can choose? I can't use my body. I can't do my business. I can't, can't, can't, can't. Okay. So what can I do? What is actually here? And for me, it was like, oh, wait, I have this big vision. Okay. Well, I don't really have much else to do. I don't really have much to lose. So let's go. Let's try this. And at the time, it looked like the application of this vision was towards businesses. It was towards solving this thing that happened to me to make sure that doesn't happen to anybody else. So creating business solutions, because something that people don't talk about in the business

world is we talk about the numbers of businesses failing, right? What we don't talk about is the fact that those numbers haven't changed in over 30 years with the evolution of internet, with the amount of coaches, with the amount of access to resources, the numbers of business failures haven't changed. So every fiber of my being said, this is the starting point. This is the testing ground. This is where you get to start putting yourself out there and putting these concepts out there. So I gathered an incredible team. We started going at this, created an entire program, created an amazing, amazing business structure, business solution.

And the voice in the back of my mind is going, you're getting stuck in the weeds again. You're getting stuck in the busyness again. And I realized I don't do well at managing. I don't like managing people. That's not my superpower. My superpower is getting these ideas out there because so much needs to change in this world. And it kind of took me out of that space to some level and it dropped me in a space where actually funny enough this time last year i was in india and i got a chance to sit with his soul in siddhali lama i got a chance to meet with the royal family i got to hear stories of people who are doing things that my heart and my soul knew were possible my brain didn't believe it and here these people are in front of me doing these things. And so again, it felt like I was standing at this road. I can either keep going this way,

keep feeling sorry for myself, keep doing this thing, keep playing small, or here's this opportunity to actually make a difference, to continue expanding and changing the world, stepping towards a change in the world. And so as soon as I did, it's like everything became easy. So today, interestingly enough, and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it because I feel like I'm just an everyday person. I am no different from everybody. And I heard people say that before and I didn't really believe it. It didn't really resonate because I'm like, oh yeah, you're right. You know, you sure. Yeah. You were just like me. Sure. And now it's like, I'm like, I am. I'm like, this, this was me. This is me now. And right now the project that I'm

working on, for example, we're working on 24 hours of peace. We're going to have an event for 24 hours where we're going across the world, all 24 time zones, we're getting nations to participate. And the idea is to call the world out. The amount of conflict we're having in this world right now is absurd. The amount of deaths from that conflict are absurd. The amount of grieving that the country, our country right now, the people here, the people across the world are in, my country at home is absurd. Again, we have a choice here. Every single day we have a choice to do something about it. And it got to the point, I haven't been able to admit this, this is actually,

I feel like I'm drowning in the grief and I'm trying to do something about it outside while ignoring it. And it's like, why don't we stop ignoring and do something? What can that be replaced with? What can 24 hours give us? What can that be replaced with? What can 24 hours give us? What can that recognition give us? What can we replace it with? What kind of cultural awareness for that particular event? We're going to do music. We're going to put the youth leaders and youth music out there. Right. And the goal is to have 24 hours where countries sign off for peace. And you might sit there and think, oh my gosh, that seems so big. That seems so absurd. And yet, as soon as I made that decision, the next person I spoke with, she goes, oh, I did that in 2020. So, you know, what's interesting too, is I keep hearing you keep

mentioning choice. You know, we have all these choices yet we're not choosing to do anything. And what we do choose to do a lot of times is somebody else's dreams. So, you know, just wondering why are businesses continuing to fail or why is there so much hate in the world? What is making them choose, you know, to go that route? If they were conscious, you know, they wouldn't be making those choices. However, the word choice is heresy means heresy in Greek. That was the root of the word. And so we are only moving into a space where choice is an option. And we're still battling with those other voices that are telling us we're not good enough. We're too small to do this something that I feel like has such a bed wrap. And I've experienced that side of the ego going like, oh, that feels icky. I'm watching this person doing this

technically good thing, but then you're seeing other parts of it and you're like, oh, well, that doesn't look right. And I think that we have a mesh. We have so much both in our vocabulary, as well as in our interpretation for ourselves. We have these concepts that we've't meshed we have so much both in our vocabulary as well as in our interpretation for ourselves we have these concepts that we've enmeshed and made law it's like we've built this thing out of legos and we said this is how it is regardless of the individual lego pieces so for example if we think about choice we can take apart so many words like this that are currently being used um uh the woman actually i just mentioned rebecca she's incredible she's a noble peace prize winner uh absolutely

amazing woman she's like she's our age like she's absolutely amazing and she brought up this this point based on the work that she's currently doing she said we stopped we're using the word empowerment we started using the word agency because in empowerment, I'm still giving something to you versus agency is something you internally have. So I feel like what we're being called to right now, I think this is how we can all participate in, again, regardless of where you're on your journey, is start thinking about a concept. Let's say you are, again, let's say you're a business owner let's say you still have a job that you're in full-time or part-time as you're trying to transition i've had i cannot tell you how many times i've heard this story recently where you go i'm about to

step this lot step over this line and this is what this means i'm going to one of the stories i just heard of this incredible mom and daughter team. And I mean, their whole conversation is about mental health. So important, so relevant, personal to me. I'm like, I want to see you out there. I want to hear you out there. This is such an incredible message that you have, especially how you approach it. And I was talking to the mom and she goes, I know what we're about to step into. I see all the possibilities. And that means that our mental health is going to get challenged. We're not going to have any time for ourselves or each other. We're not going to have this, this, this.

It's like, wait a second, who made these rules? Why is that law? Why is that what this has to mean? And so what are the rules that you're setting up for yourself? Because again, for me, it was like, well, this thing seems really big. It's too big for me. I'm out, right? It's too hard. Or it's going to take too much time. Or, okay, yes, I'm in. And oh my gosh, this is going to be challenging. Oh my gosh, today's going to be challenging. Oh my gosh, I'm so tired. It's like, well, wait a second. Are you really though?

Like, is this, isn't this the same thing that you say every day? Why are you making this a rule? How can you separate those things out? associate ourselves with that part with that internal part that tells us those things because it's in their minds right i'm not good enough i'm to this i'm not enough of that i'm not worthy i'm who am i to and it feels internal but is that really you it's a it's not it's a mechanism it's and it's not bad it's there to protect us and yet again every single day you wake up you have a choice every minute you have a choice and as soon as you're conscious of that aware of that you can say is there something different and maybe it's not choice maybe it's is there something different that's better for me right now is there something

different that's in that's actually in my alignment is this still right yeah i do want to ask you i'm just curious you know you still being involved in your christian religion yeah how do you remain so open and continue to seek which i'm hearing from you place of possibilities. And sounds like you have the freedom, I guess, to be able to explore inward. How do you remain in a structured religion in being so open? Or has religion evolved as it should? I think the answer is yes. Both. are yes interestingly enough uh my partner is a Lutheran pastor so we have we've been having these conversations a lot because he's also very very open and part of it has to do with my upbringing uh I had a the priest it was a really good friend of the family and interestingly enough he had two PhDs one of them was in theology one of them was in physics so he was looking at faith from both sides and a lot of my experiences

early on were such that my the traditional faith did not explain a lot of things that were happening to me so I sought outside of myself and sought outside of my faith going somebody's got to be experiencing and talking about these things that are occurring that I don't know what to do with at the same time I notice and anytime I notice something that comes up as a block as a challenge or something where I shut myself out from information I'm like well why is that what is inside of me that's reacting to this really so lots of self-inquiry that's right yep and noticed actually, I love that you brought this up. A long time ago, there was a person who continuously tried to challenge my faith and, and it would get me

really upset and get me really frustrated. And I didn't really like him asking those questions, even though in any other sphere, I would be all in, I love, you know, critical thinking. And I was like, well, what is actually responding to this? And what I recognize, I think this is a root in a lot of how we act in religion or even outside of it, where there is a fear of being wrong. And because of that fear, at least for me, it was this, like, if I just can keep this bubble contained, this is my truth and it's closed and no information can get in or out because God forbid it's going to get challenged and i thought that was faith and i think to a lot of people this is you know their

world views are in that little container and what you don't recognize is if you open your hand if you allow that space to come in it actually expands you actually are able to find your truth easier because i was able to identify the fact that my faith was again, internal. It was inside of me. Nothing that you can tell me or say or do outside of myself can shift that because I know what I believe and you can believe whatever you want. So all of a sudden that challenge back and forth, what you believe doesn't challenge what I believe all of a sudden, because that bubble isn't a closed little space anymore. Right.

So it allows this expansion that's infinite, which is, again, if we talk about the Christian belief system, and actually a lot of others, God is infinite. Right. There's this infinite space. At the same time, it's unity. It's the oneness. Right. So all of a sudden you take that same structure and you apply it to yourself. You say, I am oneness.

I have this oneness inside of me. I have this point of reference that is true to myself. And yet everything else also exists. And if I can apply that to everything in life, it's like talking about conflict resolution. That's it, right? That's it. My truth is truth and everything else exists. That's right. And no one can take it from you when that has been your experience to be your truth,

where I think that that fear does come in is when you start to think, am I living my life off of what I've been told to believe rather than my own experience. I mean, I deeply rooted Catholic, you know, for generations. And I couldn't tell you that I experienced any of it to be true. I only was told that that was the truth. So therefore, it really wasn't my truth until I saw inside and then experienced that truth for myself. And then there was nothing to fear if anyone did challenge me because it was my truth. You said that you've met the Dalai Lama, which is incredible. I'd love to hear the story. But I remember when Thich Nhat Hanh had said in his book, Living Buddha, Living Christ, he said that we should eat from all of the fruits.

We should have a fruit salad. He loved fruit salad because why should you only choose from one fruit? To be open to understanding and respecting and loving others regardless of what their beliefs are inside of them, that only keeps us in that little tiny bubble you were talking about and then we are not able to expand and have that oneness with the world yeah there's a place in india that's called the golden temple and it's the most one of the most sacred spaces in the sikh religion the most interesting well there are quite a few interesting things about it it's stunning like it's it's the it's such an incredible place the energy there is just it's the level of spirituality

of presence that you feel walking into it they have incredible kitchens where they feed anybody with no questions asked and like it's just these massive holes these like the kitchens are huge you have these massive pots of like all kinds of food and that's extraordinary and the thing that kind of really challenged my thinking was they had so many representations of different faiths in the same place worshiping together and part of me said okay well i can see somehow right i can at least fathom christians islam um coming in uh jews coming in like basically having all of this compilation uh one guy here right then you put hinduism in where you have many gods yeah in their faith in their theology and then you put buddhism in it so you have all these people and yet they're able to not just coexist but also worship in the same place

without conflict. And to me, that was extraordinary. And again, it was one of those moments where, what are the rest of us doing? How can you find so much peace in yourself that you're not challenged by the beliefs of others, and maybe even expand your own faith, the understanding of your own faith by that experience? Well, and it's like this, you said earlier, if you can figure that out and you're more focused inward and you're also open to receive and appreciate what others can bring into your life and into your business, into your relationship and stop trying to make everybody like you, which we're also unique and divine purposely here with

many different gifts. I mean, I can't imagine just having a team that only did what I did. What good would that be? Yeah, no, please. Thank you. Just one of me is good. Hey, listeners, so sorry for the interruption. but I wanted to tell you about my newest affiliate in the Network of Lightworkers, Janine Lo. She is one of UK's top Chinese astrologists. If you want to know what's in store for 2024, then you can schedule a session with Janine. Go to the Network of Lightworkers on www.senseofsoulpodcast.com and click on Janine and schedule your Chinese astrology reading today. It's the year of the dragon, so lots of luck and opportunities are coming your way. So go check it out. Now back to our amazing guest. It makes sense.

Yeah, absolutely. I think it's such an important message i think there's a space where i found a challenge in myself for myself where i'm having to untangle this worldview that i've received that i've built that i've you know that continuously comes through and then you have an experience that happens that challenges that right there is again being from russia having friends in ukraine having friends in russia having family back home it's this like grief this helpless feeling and i love that you had neil de la walsh on on your podcast because one of the things that he said that just like it hit so hard and he brought it up again. You know, it came up again with what's happening in Israel. The point that he made about Hitler.

It's something that it's like when I was reading his book, I'm like, okay, I can at least allow that to be in my reality, even though, where on one side of me, I have this self-aware, this, I feel like, expansive self that I've become, that I really love, and I enjoy, and I feel like that's the whole me, and then there's this part of me that is looking at the situation back home and going, I can't apply the same belief system to that. I don't understand. It doesn't make sense. How can both of those things be true and i feel like there's an invitation it's not all about it's it's that both can exist and you can choose the one that you choose to follow the way that the lenses you choose to see it through because on the other side of that there isn't a giant evil them right which is strange because it feels like that you look at the

horrible things that are happening and you're like them the thing that naturally happens to us for whatever reason is that we divide this this is the us this is the them and yet there's a person on the other side of that that and i've seen people on the other side of that and you look you look at them as a person and you hear their story you're like oh well that kind of makes sense and there are you know contexts that we're missing there are things that we're missing that don't by any means and i don't want to make this sound like it's something it's not it's not an excuse by any means right for for horrible things and in my mind i'm thinking what would happen if i were to find myself in that situation again putting myself not not just in the shoes of of some of

the worst people and going what does my life have to be like to make these choices what would have to change in my life and in my society for these things to change and to shift because we can't break those barriers by simply trying to go straight at them because physics law of physics says force is met with equal force right we can't we can't just force our way through this and if we can apply that us that's expensive that aware self to situations that are challenging us that are at the core of our beings i think that's when true growth and true change can happen because we can approach things with a lot more kindness and perhaps come up with a solution that's more people-centric and will lead to more of a resolution versus just, again, this is the us,

this is them, and now we're just in conflict of trying to resolve this because I know this is wrong. You cannot dissolve conflict by killing each other's children. It doesn't work. Like when you said them, that's what I pictured. I pictured all of these people who didn't have a choice to be who they are. A lot of them didn't have a choice even to sign up to defend their country. They were born into this. They didn't have a choice and them is innocent i feel like there is a truth in me that says that already here it's so close people want to change and there's a lot of fear around this there's a lot of uncertainty around this and thankfully again i've one of the best things i've ever done for myself is surround myself with people who are

doing this work out there and who have found that success already so i can't so that voice isn't able to grab onto anything because like well look at what they were already able to accomplish so it kind of quiets that down but i think that if we're able to again take a pause think about what we have what when we are ourselves are in conflict if if it's just us, if we simplify the equation, right, if it's us and us in our head, and we're in conflict, or if we're looking at a child, and they're having an expression of internal conflict, they don't know how to express this, right? The outwards expression is violent, or aggressive, or chaotic, or whatever that is, what is the thing to do? What can you do in that moment? If you try to

prove something to that child, nothing's going to happen. It's just going to make the situation worse. What you got to do is you have to pause. You have to have a break in that process. That process has to have breathing space. And then what comes next, that almost becomes irrelevant because that first step is so important and critical. else can be built out later but learning to have that pause is essential for our own selves and if we can apply that globally if we can apply that to global individuals a global prize yes i believe that we have a chance because enough people there are so many we think about these limitations but the reality is there's there's so many, we think about these limitations, but the reality is there's so many resources, there are so many people who want to help, there are so many organizations, companies, governments,

like every single communities, societies that want to change, that I think if we pause enough, and we are able to bridge those gaps, if we're able to bring all of those pieces together, not have them doing individual efforts, but instead bringing together and saying, hey, what can we collectively achieve? We're all on the same page. Our means of getting there might be different. How we talk about it might be different. The words that we use about it might be different. But the reality is that we all want good. We all want the best, whatever our interpretation is. So if we can get on the same page about that, I don't think that reality is too far away, that reality of peace, because as soon as we have internal peace, the external balances itself out. So what I'm hearing though, what balances that out to me and from what I've

learned over the years is in that pause, finding compassion and love and patience and all those things, that's all very divine feminine attributes, which this world is strongly led by masculine egos. And that is success. what us smaller people, you know, have had as a model to strive for, which I think is hopefully changing. I mean, you look at Elon Musk, certain big companies were going to decide not to market for him. And he told him to fuck off. You're not going to control me. You're not going to manipulate me, you know, blackmail me because you're not going to have control over me. That was huge, you know, for someone like him who I don't see with a ton of ego, you know, being successful, that's huge. Whether you like him or not, that's something to strive for in the world

because we have enough of the other yeah yeah absolutely i was listening to a podcast that talked about this but they're talking about how there's a difference between not caring what anybody thinks because then you become you know narcissistic and like that's like that's the bad thing right or if you don't care who's what specific people think because it's about it becomes about it talked about how it felt like a lot of what i heard from for example brené brown right people who aren't in the arena she talks about this a lot about you know you don't get a say in my efforts if you're sitting on the outskirts of that arena. You know what else I just heard recently that I really liked that I'd love to know what your thoughts on this is.

To make money, you know, say you say you want, you know, this is your goal to success, you know, say if it is money. It's what you do with the money. I mean, are you putting back into the world, you know, to create a better world for the future with that money, you know, or are you just being selfish and buying and buying and buying all of these things that you can't even take with you? Yeah, I have a theory about that. for some reason i think in triangles i think in threes i feel like there's a power behind it oh yeah and so i feel like and this is of course oversimplified but i feel like any human being or any entity so when i say entity it could be

a person it could be a business it could be a country it could be a nation it could be a person, it could be a business, it could be a country, it could be a nation, it could be a society, culture, whatever that is, right? There's an entity. So there's a either a person or group of people. And I feel like there are three main points. We're going to call them money, mission, and message. Money could be any resource. So it doesn't have to be actual financial resources. It could be any kind of resource um mission is what impact are you creating out there and how does it reflect on you internally what does it mean to you how is it in alignment and then there's the message of how is it getting out there how is it being put out there how are people receiving and hearing it and reaching it how is this message reaching individuals and I feel like all of us sit in one comfortably, right? You have people who are really great at making money,

but they feel disconnected from anything else. There are people like myself who are like, if I can eat and breathe and pay my bills with mission, let's go. Challenges. I try, it doesn't work. Right. And then there are people who do all of the talking and, you know, like they'll just talk and talk and talk, but they're not really connected to anything. And we can sometimes, you know, fairly easily expand into a second. So for example,

I can get better at marketing myself. I can maybe get better at finance but then to have all three is critical to have complete satisfaction and on the other side of it is this is what i'm receiving but it's also what i'm providing so there's an input and an output factor so can i create a life can i create a world where i as entity, receive all three and produce all three, because then that's balance. Then that money makes sense if it's connected to my mission. And if it's put out there the right way. A lot of times we're putting out far more than we're receiving. And how do we, how do we do that? How do we, it's so interesting because it's so simple and yet it's challenging to implement. is but then in the same it's

you mean you can think about it like with anything you know a lot of people say you know you know for myself this is a big one for me I help everybody but I don't I have a hard time asking for help that's one for me I mean my whole life I mean I could be drowning and I'll just be like I got it you know you could be putting a foot on my head as I'm drowning and I'm like it's good I'm gonna get out of this myself so it is hard to receive but it's so important is it not absolutely is and the interesting thing is is when you because i had that challenge i've been pushing against that ceiling like to the point where it's just i don't know there's no there's

no more ceiling there i will make myself super uncomfortable and do and ask every single time that comes up um which you recognize when you start overcoming that whichever one of those pieces it is let's say again the the asking, you recognize people want to help. Genuinely, people want to help. You want to help. And yet you don't allow that on the inside. The interesting thing is we talk about, there's so many people that talk about all the different blocks that keep us from getting

where we want, what we want, changing the world to see in it what we would like to see. And yet it's when we start releasing these things, even though it's not really about the world,'s about us yeah that's the secret i feel like it always is about us not from an ego perspective but when we have control of our perspective when we clear that space when we're able to access that it opens up not just that piece but everything else it creates magic it creates these series of open extraordinary coincidences that you no longer can accept as coincidence because of how frequently they're happening that back and forth that energy you know give and receive it's a natural way of life

it's natural yeah it's like you're holding your hand out there it's like nope yes yeah you're blocking yourself from that flow that is supposed to naturally happen and it's not a judgment that's i feel like i feel like the next thing that comes up at least for me it always does it's like there's like this judgment there's this voice that says oh yeah i see it's your fault it's like wait wait wait wait that's the part that actually helps keep that part there like let's release that no this is this is fine this is how we normally are it's just coming back to choice is this what you are continuing to choose to do and if so that's okay because it serves you right now the question is can you recognize and choose differently when that stops serving you. And how can I, you know, allow that to come in and giving opportunities for people to help me, especially when they offer, right?

It's not even so much about seeking help. I mean, people often offer help. It sometimes feels like, again, this ring is so close to my heart. It's sometimes, I don't know if there's maybe an element of something to prove, but it feels like if you give certain parts away, like it feels for me, it was always about being a burden. It's like I will be a burden to somebody. I can do this on my own. somebody else and at the same time that part that you are forcing yourself to do or trying to get yourself to do it's something you dislike something out of your comfort zone something that you really like it's draining your energy and yet for that person it gives them energy yeah keeping yourself in that little bubble right exactly again so you're keeping yourself from being a part of the

oneness self-incurrence is so amazing, isn't it? And bouncing it off of someone else, not thinking that you have to take on the world by yourself, a business by yourself, even a podcast by yourself. That's right. That's right. Right. And yeah, I really appreciate you. I love your perspective. I love how you take that pause to step back and say, wait a second, can we find another word? Can we look at this in a different way? Yeah, I love that. Tell me about your books and tell me about your new book. Yeah. Amazing. Oh my gosh. Well, you know, Corey, Corey with Blue Talks community that has been honestly that talking about asks

that has changed everything that like coming to that conference now I can't so it's not it wasn't you know magic it wasn't a magic ball that just like changed everything it was right the 10-year overnight success idea where I feel like enough things have been building up to that point where I showed up and in that weekend on the first day I heard James Redfield speak which I I didn't know anything about that event that I showed up to I show up in the morning a little bit late because I had an earlier appointment and it James Redfield is live and he's Celestine Prophecy is one of my favorite books and I go like oh my gosh, what is happening? Like, I didn't expect that.

And then Corey talked about, like, what's the difference between the person who gets it and the person who don't? It's the people who didn't get it just didn't ask, right? And then Ken Honda, this is, I'm speaking this out loud. I'm hearing myself speak this. And this will make a lot more sense when I talk about the book and why this is mind-blowing. Ken Honda was the last speaker on that day on friday and he talked about his phenomenal story about his mentor who was like the zigzag leader of japan uh told him to go to another country for a year stay with families that he doesn't know for like a week at a time and again just asking like the idea is to just ask

and something came up got on that stage like i was my hand up and I asked Ken if I can come stay with him in Japan for a week like I almost oh my god I literally felt like I was gonna die like I went off screen after that and like had a panic attack for an hour it was like what did I do that's hilarious yes I mean what a risk you took, right? You made that choice in that moment. I'm just doing it. That's right. And what did he say? And what did he say? He said, yes, he said here, and I got this personal information. And then I, from the same weekend, I signed up for Harvard, speaking at Harvard, I signed up for the second book with Dr. Joe Vitale, which was, again, one of my favorite authors. Zero Limits is one of my favorite authors uh zero limits is one of my favorite books

um so all of that took place um within a couple of days i had the trip to india and uh the so the dr joe vitale book just came out in the fall we hit number one on amazon number one barnes number four in barnes nobles it was amazing oh that's a book with the same with blue talks with james redfield and ken honda so it's like full circle so right now it's on presale and it's just congratulations thank you but that was you taking a chance in that moment to make a choice to ask yeah ask for a little little hand yeah I think that's kind of been the theme of this is to be brave enough to go beyond that voice that's telling you no you could do it it doesn't go away like it's still there every single like right so true getting on this getting on the new call it's like it away. Like it's still there every single, like getting on this, getting on the new call. It's like, it's uncomfortable, but it's being able to say, I now have experience that

this works. And before you have that experience, it's leaning on other people's experiences. It's leaning on my story and your story and, you know, other stories and it's saying, okay, well, if they did it, maybe I can too. And then finding that truth because it's it's there you just have to have the courage to take that step and it's there it is so I have to ask do you still do photography at all I actually was able to come back to it so I went through a healing journey and the India trip actually had my camera on me the whole time so I got to take all the photos oh my gosh and yeah now I still now I have it more of a creative outlet. So I still take on clients,

but on the side of the main global work and yeah, it's a beautiful balance. So tell everybody where they could find you, where they can find your books. And are you thinking about maybe having this global work as something that you do like forever or just a one-time thing oh absolutely absolutely forever it's this has been my calling I think it's um working with my mentor the working title for me is the overseer of infinite projects so um I apply the way I apply

myself is exactly the same but the application can be to an individual or a nation or globally. So it's, it's building processes, it's connecting individuals, and it's bringing that vision and bridging those gaps. But absolutely, always, I can never see myself not doing this work. What is your website? site? So it's very easy. It's connectwithmasha.com. It's M-A-S-H-A, connectwithmasha.com. It has all the information on my projects, the books, how to get on my calendar, getting involved with anything. And if you go to connectwithmasha.com slash gift, I actually, I run masterminds regularly and I have different events. So you can check it out and see what's coming up and join me there. I would love to see how we can break some of your ceilings too. That's so cool. You know, I was thinking before I got on with you and you, you know, going onto the stage, you know, with blue talks. And I was thinking before we got on, I was like, you know, this isn't a stage you're

like coming into my house, right? You're coming into like my sacred space just to have a conversation. It's so different, but both so important and still a space to, to share your story so that you can help other people. I think it's important. Thank you so much. You are amazing for running this. And it's these kinds of stories. I feel like it's this in-home format. It's so amazing because it brings out those real conversations. It's not performed. It's not

pre-planned. It's just, here's my heart. Here's my soul. Here's everything that comes through this interaction with two human beings. And it's, it's extraordinary. And I hope that this really makes a difference in the lives of the listeners. Yeah, I think so. Thank you so much. Thanks for listening to Sense of Soul Podcast. And thanks to our special guests for joining me. If you want more of Sense of Soul, check out my website at www.mysenseofsoul.com, where you can work with me one-on-one or help support Sense of Soul Podcast by donating to my coffee fund.

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