Sense of Soul - Becoming a Free Master Builder with Occult Author Lon Milo DuQuette

Episode Date: June 21, 2025

Today on Sense of Soul we have Lon Milo DuQuette, also known as Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford and by his neo-Gnostic bishop title of Tau Lamed, is an American writer, lecturer, musician, and occultist, best known as an author who applies humor in the field of Western Hermeticism. In 1972 he began pursuing his interest in mysticism, particularly the work of Aleister Crowley. He is on the faculty of the Omega Institute for Holistic Studies in Rhinebeck, New York where he teaches The Western Magical Tradition.  Since 1975 DuQuette has been a National and International governing officer of Ordo Templi Orientis, a religious and fraternal organization founded in the early part of the 20th century. Since 1996 he has been O.T.O.'s United States Deputy Grand Master. He is also an Archbishop of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, the ecclesiastical arm of the O.T.O. He has since published 19 books (translated in 12 languages). Many of his books have been dedicated to analyzing and exploring the works of Aleister Crowley. His current book is The Tarot Architect : How to Become the Master Builder of Your Spiritual Temple . https://www.lonmiloduquette.net Order his book here Check out his music here: https://www.reverbnation.com/lonmiloduquette Visit Sense of Soul www.senseofsoulpodcast.com

Hey Soulseekers, it's Shanna. Journey with me to discover how people around the world awaken to their true sense of soul. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sons of Soul, I have Lon Milo Duquette. He is an American author, lecturer, musician, and occultist. He is a national and international governing officer of the Ordo Templi Orientis, one of the most influential magical societies of the 20th and 21st centuries. He is currently the Order's United States Deputy Grandmaster and is an internationally recognized authority on Tarot, ceremonial magic, and esoteric Freemasonry. He's a bit of a Renaissance man known for blending humor with deep spiritual insights. He's written extensively on Western esoteric traditions,

particularly focusing on the works of Alastair Crawley and the Turow. And he's joining us today to tell us about his newest book, The Turow Architect, How to Become the Master Builder of Your Spiritual Temple. Please welcome welcome Lon Milo Duquette. I'm excited to talk to you. Oh, this is a good book. Oh, I'm glad you have it. Yes. It's an honor to have you on Sense of Soul and I know my listeners

are going to really appreciate you and learn a lot. I'm going to be your student today. That means I have to learn from you. I've been recently studying the tarot along with the Kabbalah, but not in one book. So thank you very much. You're welcome. They go together well. Excuse me if I pronounce it Kabbalah. They go together well. Excuse me if I pronounce it Kabbalah. I know it's not correct, but I'm not sure anything is correct. So I'll just pronounce it the way I've done for the last 50 years.

The magic of Kabbalah, if you want to use that term, is that it truly is the blueprint of absolutely everything. It is the common denominator of everything. And the structures like the tree of life or the cube of space. All of those are just kind of like roadmaps to show you around a miniature working model of existence. I know that's a bit… I could say a miniature working model of the universe, and that would be correct too, or miniature working model of the cosmos, and that would be correct too. But it's more than that. It's a miniature working model of the cosmos, and that would be correct too. But it's more than that. It's a miniature working model of existence. It's the machinery. And ultimately, each one of us is a reflection, is a shard in the great holograph of the totality of existence. In Kabbalah they say, well, we're made in the image of God. Okay. Well, hell yes, we're made in the image of God. We're, you know, a direct reflection.

But it sure doesn't feel like we are the reflection of a perfect singularity. You use the tarot as an example. When you buy a tarot deck, many times the publisher is knowledgeable enough to put the cards in order. Like the 22 trumps, 0 through 21, and then you got the four suits, you know, with the ace, and living inside the ace is the four court cards, like king, queen, prince, princess, and then nine small cards, two through tens.

And a lot of times the publisher is hip enough to put them in that order. Well that's how things really are. The universe is already just operating just perfectly. It's well-oiled. It's doing just fine. But it doesn't seem like that to us. Okay? Like our defective powers of perception have shuffled our deck. Okay? We're attempting to deal with our imperfect powers of perception in a perfect cosmos, okay? And that's what makes the flashcards of every aspect, every component of this perfect working model of the cosmos. And biblical Kabbalah, they sort of liken that to King Solomon's temple. Okay? The idea of King Solomon's temple was to build a house that would accommodate the presence of the true and living God Most High. I think that's the one they use for that. In other words, a house

to contain everything, God's house on earth, you know, and how can you do that? How could you build a building that could house something that's everything? And it's like God is a giant tuning fork, okay? And the power, the essence of God is this big vibration, this single vibration. Okay, you can call that the word if you want. And it's like this huge, huge vibration that is holding, creating, sustaining, destroying everything always.

And it's that note, let's say it's a B flat. I don't know if it's a B flat, who knows? But it's God is a giant B flat. If you could just build a perfect tiny tuning fork that has the same properties in it, that it vibrates its own little tiny B-flat, okay, if you would hit it. It doesn't do a C or a G sharp, okay, it's a B-flat. If you make a tiny, perfect B-flat tuning fork, it sets to vibrating, to the great B-flat. Does that make sense? Yeah. So the big B-flat that's holding the universe together is going

mmmm. And if you could make a duplicate, a replica, a miniature B-flat tuning fork, you don't even have to hit it. It's already vibrating in sympathy with that. So King Solomon's temple was building the tiny tuning fork. That's how you get God to come into the sanctuary. That's what's lightened up the Ark of the Covenant and all of that stuff. So can you see in that allegory, that story, because I doubt whether there was much history connected to that tale, but myth is better than history. And that's the idea.

And that's sort of the idea behind even the title of the book, The Tarot Architect. It's having the tarot help you build your miniature tuning for it. I have a mini-series that is a private mini-series and I did a whole episode on Solomon's Temple and it was a lot about the lyre and the frequencies of the lyre. Yeah, so that's interesting. I just thought about that. You're always in the music business. No, I've been listening to your music all morning. Oh, really?

Oh, you poor thing. Oh, no. And no, I even was sending it to all of my friends and I was like, listen how good this song is. So, I love it. Thank you. It's funny that we're on the subject of Solomon. You know, part of the story was the builders of King Solomon, the workmen, were what is commonly thought

of as evil spirits. Really? Demons. Yeah. And it's really not like that. And neither are evil spirits. If you're thinking so small that you've got little goods and little evils, then I guess what's seemingly destructive is evil. But the whole thing about Solomon and the Solomon story was, okay, he inherited this gig. He was an unlikely inheritor of the throne, you know, because he was raised in the harem and was

sort of a wild rock and roll guy, you know. But nevertheless, he inherited the kingdom because David wasn't allowed to build the temple because he was too bloodthirsty. The Mason says, there's too much bloodshed. God said, we'll have somebody else build it. But Solomon, who was like an artist, OK, he was he was an artist. He was a singer. He was a poet. Yes. So he's not he's not really a dictator. He's he's not a general or he's not he's not a general, or he's not a bully, or a politician. He's an artist. And he inherits this huge job to build a miniature working model of the cosmos that is the tiny

tuning fork to the big tuning fork of God. Okay? A house of building that houses God. You know, that's all you got to do. It's a big job. So, but instead of, of him calling up building contractors, for before he meets with, yeah, with business people, you know, before he does that, before he brings on advisors to tell him to do this or tell him to do that, maybe some of his dad's old advisors who were, how did that work? You know, yeah. Instead of that. The story goes, he entered into the presence of God.

Now you can say, well, we prayed. Well, yes, you could call it that. He entered into the presence of God, because if he was going to build a miniature working model of the cosmos, if he was going to build a house for God, why go to anybody else for advice? Story goes, he entered into the presence of God.

Number one, God was surprised to see him. Whoa! You know, what do you want? He said, look, I'm supposed to build this house for you, okay? And it's got to be absolutely perfect. It's got to be the most perfect replica of existence. Yeah, I can't do that, you know. I was a liberal arts major, you know. I was, you know, I can't do that.

And in anything that I do do, I got to do it just the way you would demand it to be done. And as this kind of story goes, God goes, first of all, let me stop you there. That's the coolest thing anyone has ever asked me in eternity. You didn't come, you know, into my presence and ask me for riches or gold or women. and ask me for riches or gold or women or... You ask me for my wisdom. And of course, us Kabbalists are saying, well, wisdom is number two on the tree of life, you know, it's above the abyss. Wisdom is the reflection of God. It's the two that's the reflection of one. And understanding is number three, okay? They go together. They're not even one, two, and three. There's just one thinking about itself, okay? Timomorphic. Yeah. It's a Trinity unit, but we digress.

God said, now that's the coolest thing that anyone's ever said. That's exactly what needs to be done. Okay. You're so cool. Not only that, I'm going to blend my wisdom in your little tuning fork, okay? And it will help you along the way. And you've got it, you've come. Not only that, I'm going to give you a couple of secrets. Hey, listeners.

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and made to support your journey towards healing and balance without compromise for your sound healing journey. Go to Sense of Soul Podcast.com and look for soma energetics under the network of lightworkers. Now back to our amazing guest. One of them is the blind forces in the universe that most everybody since Adam have considered to be evil because they give you trouble. They're part of the big scene here because okay, because the universe is a big complex thing and it's constantly creating, sustaining itself, and destroying itself, okay? And part of that wrecking crew and part of the resistance to the universe sustaining itself, are these just wild and crazy untamed forces, blind forces, but they're part of the cosmos.

They keep, they do the heavy lifting in the cosmos. And the only thing that makes them, they're like heavy machinery in a construction yard. They're like bulldozers and steam rollers and things like that. You need them to build things. But they have to have an intelligence that controls them. They have to have a trained operator. Otherwise, if you leave your steamroller on unattended all night, it goes through town and smashes everything. And people say, oh,

there's an evil demon steamroller. But God told Solomon to look, these guys do the heavy lifting in the universe. And as long as you're vibrating with my wisdom, you can have them help you do absolutely anything you want. I'll give you an entire wonderful, potentially wonderful labor union of demons to help build the temple. And this is part of the foundation of magic. That's why they call it solemn-onic magic, because they're only evil spirits when they're uncontrolled, undirected. The whole time I was listening, I was seeing those tarot cards popping up in my reading. These things we see... The power, yeah. And those spirits, 72, 72 is a big number in Kabbalah, 72 classic Solomonic

spirits, one for the day and one for the night, are assigned to the 36 small cards of the tarot. Excuse me while I refer to Duquette. Here is the Two of Cups. Okay. Now, in the book, I've got our Tarot of Ceremonial Magic in black and white uncolored. And part of the book is encouraging you to color your own complete deck and customize it. Stick your own stuff on there, you know, make it yours.

But all of the 36 small cards, the twos through tens of the four suits represent 10 degrees in the zodiacal year, like zero degrees to 10 degrees cancer. And that's like roughly June 21st through July 1st. And it is assigned venous in cancer. That would make sense. Oh, there is such a tight anal retentive chart

There is such a tight anal retentive chart that makes sense of why Venus is assigned to it. And it's easier just to show it than it is to describe it, so I won't even get into it. But see these sigils right here. It's that one right there is The day spirit the day literally Goetia demon Okay, and that's that's Buer and the one for the night is

Bifrongs now if left unattended, those guys sink ships and cause wars and everything else. But if controlled by someone whose finger is stuck into the light socket of above, okay, they do all sorts of cool things. Not only that, but these guys uncontrolled are already running amok in all of us. The idea is to get them under control and give them real jobs to do. 72?

72. One for the day and one for the night. And not only that, they share their roommates, their decan roommates, with the 72 angels of the shham Furesh. So if you feel uncomfortable rooming up and hanging around with Goetian spirits, just say, well, bring your friend the spirit of the Shimham Furesh along with us. And those spirits are written right above them. So we've got the dates.

Oh, and there's a Nokian magic thing that goes with this. I need those too. Oh my God. How could you have lived without these? I don't know. Today, today. Okay. You get those from Magical Omaha. Okay. You get those from magical Omaha. Okay. Or not just go to magical Omaha tarot cards.

And okay. So I'm with you. I mean, I have decks, I love them because they're beautiful. You know, I connect to the art. But then I have decks that aren't so beautiful and I'm not really sure what it is about it, but they've taught me the most. You know, yeah, but you know, one of the things that I did during my journey is I felt called to design my own deck. I never did anything with it. I just have it. But I was following just this, I was just leaning into,

and I love to do art. And so each card became its own journey. Of course. It's a universe in itself. It's a complete universe in itself. Every tarot card It's a complete universe in itself. Every tarot card is the same tarot card looked at at a different angle. Yeah. Oh, I love that. There's so much. And I've also learned just,

because I'm a recovering Catholic, I've learned to question many of the things that I've been told and learn by experience, right? And also see the allegory in many of the things that I've been told and learn by experience, right? And also see the allegory in many of the things and the mythology also and in many things. It's so complex. There's so much, you know, someone once challenged me, what does an allegory mean? I'm like, well, it's a story within a story within a story within a story that has a deeper meaning and then that has a deeper meaning.

It's infinite. Right. It's infinite. Right. It is infinite. It's an infinite Russian doll. There you go. I love those things. Yeah. And I feel that way with the trome, with the Kabbalah, is that as you're learning these, you're going deeper and deeper and deeper. is that as you're learning these, you're going deeper and deeper and deeper. It's true, true. And it's good to look at things as a journey too. But also look at it this way. You are changing. The you that's taking the journey, the you that took the first step has changed before it becomes the you that takes the second step. And it's really easier to try to look

at things linearly, like the climb up a tree of life. Well, yes. Well, I'm now a zelator or I'm a philosopher now here up in... When it's more like the current level of consciousness that you The current level of consciousness that you currently identify with is, you know, Hode or Netso, or Tifereth, okay. It's still you. If people look at the ten emanations of the tree of life as a roadmap and as I awaken spiritually, as I awaken, as my consciousness expands from where it was centered down at number 10. And now I've changed, I've mutated myself.

However, it doesn't have to be through exercises or tarot cards or anything, just life experience. Ultimately, everything between cradle and grave is life experience. And you're now firing on the cylinders of number nine, okay? But you don't leave number ten, okay? Okay, there's a path that goes from nine to ten and you bring your ten-ness up with you. Okay, so when you're nine, you're a ten-nine. When you've raised your consciousness to eight, you're a nine-ten, eight. And those paths that you see drawn on the tree of life, it's like a huge cosmic novelty flavor straw.

God up in number one in Kether is just sucking you up the tree of life and you're dragging your tenderness up to here and your tenderness and nine-ness up to here and your ten-dine-and-eight-ness over here. Does that make any sense? Yeah, sounds very familiar to how I've been feeling. And I love how you said that it's almost like a death in between each one. Oh yeah.

You're transforming. You know what, I have to also go back to a little bit about you were mentioning how there's like polarity involved. And that's something that I have, you know, of course, there's like the feminine and the masculine and the light and the dark. And one thing I had come across, I mean, all my journey was just through synchronicity. I mean, I never seeked any of this. And through synchronicity, I learned of the Gnostic Gospels and Sophia. I read Pista Sophia's first actually, J.J. Hurtok's, and it started there. But what's interesting is that I noticed, or I found something.

There was like a code. I think it was a cipher. The cipher for, if you took the word Baphomet and Sophia and you used this cipher, they were the same. And I thought that was interesting in what was sticking out at the time. This is the beginning of my journey. It's the beginning of my book I'm writing. I saw the first three letters of my last name, which is Vav, and my last name is Vavrah.

I kept following Vav. What's Vav? Even though I do have Jewish DNA, this was hidden, so I didn't realize that. And I'm a genealogist now because of my ancestry journey was so intense. But one of the most beautiful things I've learned through Sophia in Baphomet is, is just what you were saying earlier, how there is, there's light to dark to everything. And I had experience outside around that time, I think the same week where I'm sitting outside in my backyard. But it was the strangest thing I could see the sun and I could see this crescent moon and they were right there. I didn't have to move my head at all.

It was so strange. I just had learned about Sophia and Baphomet in my last name and I'm, you know, the Vav is that connectedness. I learned about that. I've studied the Hebrew alphabet, but all of a sudden I was like, Oh my God, one could not exist without the other. You know, I mean, everything came together in this moment, masculine, feminine. Then I looked up and I had, I took pictures of all this because I'm like, no one will ever believe this. And there was one white dove above my head. And I was like, that's not fair.

And I'm like, what is this? And it wasn't until years later, something pops up talking about something written by Rosa Crucians called the Alchemical Marriage. And I'm looking at this and watching them tell the story and I'm like, holy shit, like the artwork is exactly. And I'm like, how is this? This is my entire journey has been like this, especially with my last name.

My first name means the possessor of hidden wisdom, which is exactly what I've been going through and discovering wisdom as in what seems like Solomon was also a fan of. So I don't know any of this on a academic level, but when I talk to Gnostic scholars, amazing people like yourself, they're like, that is a thing. I'm like, well, why am I remembering these things and having experiences? The only thing I could think of is how it feels

is that I already know. So these experiences that I've had just tap me back into this inner wisdom that's already there. And the more space I make within myself, I know. It's more of a matter of truth is truth. And if you're on a Polynesian island and you expand your consciousness to realize greater and greater purity of the central truth, and if you're in Siberia and you raise your consciousness to greater and greater levels of, I won't even say understanding, apprehension of the truth. How you try to explain it to other people sounds exactly the same.

That's why, well, there must have been missionaries that went from the South Pole to, no, truth is truth. And as your mind expands, it becomes more universal. And only a couple things change. Your god names are, one of them is a tree and the other one is an alligator. It's still the same thing. And it's like one song that everybody gets as they become more and more in tune, everybody starts to hear the same melody. And my wife always says, because she was raised Catholic. And her first years in going to Catholic school, where you went to Mass every day. But she loved it, because they fasted And she but she loved it because they fasted until mass was over, you know, every day. And she's just always a little wispy little little girl. And that got her so high to fast. And it was this kind of a miniature gothic Catholic Church in Columbus, Nebraska. And the incense, it was in Latin, and it was so mystical and wonderful, she just absolutely loved it.

And for the first few years, the priests were just wonderful and the nuns were just saintly. But she had to go to public school. Eventually she got out of it and then things changed. And when we first got married, I said, look, I'll take you to church, you know, every, you know, all, all you want whenever you want, I don't care, you know, I love you so much, you know, I don't care if you're a frog worshiper, I'll take you to the frog ceremonies. And so I just sat there because at the time I was, you know, very materialist, atheist kind of guy. And it was during the Vietnam War, and out here in California, the priest literally, during the homily or whatever,

or whatever literally prayed for victory, okay, not peace, okay. And a bell went off in her head Okay, a big disconnect and she's never needed to go back to mass again. That was it because we were involved in the anti-war movement and such. But it's such a difference, spiritual difference, and a non-Christian, anti-Christian attitude to prefer victory over peace. You know, I don't know if everybody would agree with that, but us at the time. But she always says when we're around non-Christian and pagan friends. And people who are into magic right away thinks that it's cute to be anti-blasphemous and anti-Christian. And she always says,

"'Now don't throw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater.'" Okay. You could almost say that bath water is about a thousand years of Christendom, but don't throw the baby Jesus out with the bath water. But anyway, the Baphomet Sophia thing is something that is so subtle, and you can't actually use your meat brain to understand it, to get it. Okay, that's why it has over the millennia have to be communicated symbolically and let the symbols deliver the message. And this is where saints like the Hindu saint Ramakrishna and Alastair Crowley. It was their brilliance and their biggest stumbling block, because most everybody doesn't get it.

Okay. And the early Gnostics, at least one sect in particular, said, look, we're going to symbolize the Sophia with the ugliest thing we can think of. You know, because if you can't find the light in the darkness, you'll never find the light anywhere. Okay. And so let's just put a donkey head on her, you know. And let's, and that's just absolutely perfect. And the classic Baphometic image is so perfectly Sophia too. And Crowley had it, well, we're trying to deal with Hukma and Bina is what we're really trying to deal with. Okay. And both of those, number two and number three on the Tree of Life, they're above the abyss. There is no opposites

above the abyss. Okay. Okay. There just is no opposites. And there's an aspect that we see in number two that sort sort of fits the all-father expansiveness. But you can't have expansiveness without assuming there's something that it's expanding into. And they're not two things. They're a single thing. There's the expansion thing, and it's

creating what it's expanding into at the same time. And that is number three. Hindus would call that Shiva and Shakti. Ok, Hukma, Bina, Shiva, Shakti. the Crowley calls it All-Father Chaos and Babylon. Okay, and he tried to embody that on a personal level by calling it the beast, the beast in Babylon calling it the beast, the beast in Babylon, and personally me and my scarlet woman in magical operations. Crowley, at least on one level for many years, couldn't operate on his own, he's only a half of something that operates. And if you'll look at his great magical operations, it was always done in tandem with his present girlfriend or his present wife.

The whole book of the lock, just, he didn't write it, it came out of his wife. She wrote it. And I can sort of identify with it because I've been married for 5057 years. And when we're out with company, somebody asked me a question. Nine times out of 10 I turned to Constance and said, I don't know. What do I think, dear? You know? And but anyway, so it's interesting because when I first read Crawley and Levi,

because I was searching for who is Baphomet, who is I had no idea who they were either. In fact, I was like, wait a second. Is that that guy that Ozzy Osbourne was singing about? Speaking of the Baphometic image. But I'm also a Freemason. I'm a 32nd degree Scottish, right, Freemason. And our symbol, or the Kados symbol, and the 32nd degree, 33rd degree, is a black eagle

sitting on a sword, okay, with a triangle over its head. And if you look at that image of the double headed eagle, and you just squint a little bit, okay, you see Baphomet. I do. Now I'm not, you know, trying to imply that 32nd degree masons are all Baphomet-worshipping templars, but supposedly, but supposedly we are, you know. That's what I end up coming up with. Yeah.

Then when the Templars were brutally tortured, they said, who do you worship? And they said Baphomet. I believe that was Sophia. Oh, yeah. And, you know, I think I wrote a book called The Key to Solomon's Key. And oh, you need that book. Okay. You don't have to read it. Just you would just buy it. But Templars. Okay. First of all, the Templars, there were only nine guys for the first nine years, only nine of them. And they were French nobleman's kids. Jerusalem had already been captured by the Crusaders and a little funky little kingdom was set up.

In Jerusalem, there was a mini-king, Baldwin, I believe his name was, and there was a mini patriarch, a mini pope even in Jerusalem. And these nine guys come clip-clopping across Europe. Once all of the fighting was over for a while and they had occupied Jerusalem, they go, they immediately show up at the door of King Baldwin and said, call the mini-pope in here because we want a meeting with. Nine guys had the clout to show up at the king's doorstep and have the king have the mini-pope come on over to get in on this. And they have a little powwow of some kind, have some espresso. And at the end of that meeting, they were given the precincts of what they called the stables of Solomon on Mount Moriah, which was the most mythical place in the whole area where creation itself supposedly spit out of the mouth as a giant stone from Dragon Tahum or something. And that's where the stone was raised up and Jacob

slept on that stone. And it was the place where the site of King Solomon's temple. Okay. Now, we all, mostly all of us know, unless we're just really superstitious or ill-informed, or ill-informed, that the historicity of the story of Solomon has no support in empirical history. Right. There's no evidence. But those guys didn't know that. They were given the precincts of what they thought was King Solomon's temple. And for nine years, those nine guys poked around. Not only that, for nine years, those nine guys lived in Jerusalem and talk to people and said, hey, what was your grandfather doing? When King Solomon's temple was built there. What? What are you talking about?

None of that happened. What are you reading? What are the Templars? What are you reading? You know, what are you, or the Templars, what are you smoking? Whatever it is they found, you know, they didn't have to find anything. Finding nothing was such a big thing when there was so much they were expecting to find. They knew that the historicity of what much of Judeo-Christianity was built on was not, there was no historical foundation for it whatsoever. And that could be their biggest secret, that they found nothing when they should have found everything. And the idea that if they pulled the plug on that story, the entire justification for the divine right of kings for every king that was in Europe would dissolve and they wouldn't be holy king of France and

holy king of this and holy king of okay. It would have completely crumbled Western civilization. They went after nine years, they went back and they talked to one of those knights, St. Bernard, and at the end of that, St. Bernard said, look, I'm going to go to the pope with this, and I'm going to set you guys up as an order of your own. I'm going to set you guys up. The pope's going to give you carte blanche to do whatever you want to do. Because if this gets out, okay. Are you serious? Yeah. Are you serious? Yeah.

Are you allowed to tell me these things? Okay, now, it didn't even have to actually historically be that there was no King Solomon's. It's just that they thought that it should. This idea would completely remove the keystone of the entire narrative of both the Old Testament and the New Testament, okay? But because at the time, hardly anybody could read, nobody, the Bible wasn't Christianity, the church was Christianity. The corporation that was the church

was Christianity. And this one little thing could have thrown a monkey wrench in the whole thing. And that's why for the next 200 years the Templars could do whatever they wanted. They become the largest single military body since the Roman legions. They had the largest fleet of sailing ships more than any other single country. Largest financial institution. They were the largest. They invented checking. King. European kings borrowed money from them. And nowadays, they're just like a little blip in the history books. No. They ran the planet for 200 years. And they all got busted on the same for 200 years, you know, and they all got busted on the same same day.

But anyway, they they rode high for a while and there was I'm sure that they were arrogant and abused their their privileges for a while. But the idea that. It freed them. It freed them spiritually, freed them. It freed them spiritually, it freed them mentally. They were no longer stuck with the same inevitability of heaven and hell that the rest of the corporate church

had on everybody. They were the only citizens of the world, Western world, who could travel from country to country without a passport. They were free. Free. I didn't. OK.

And when it came time to literally build as architects, the cathedrals and things, the only educated people, the only people who were free enough to know science and geometry and things like this were at least the echo of the Templars. And it was the masons, the stonemasons, who then became the free citizens. They didn't need a passport. They were free masons. And they could travel from country to country.

But I'm trying to tell you the entire history of Western civilization here. What's so interesting is that's exactly what they figured out was how to be a master builder of their spiritual temple free. There we go. We brought it around. It's amazing.

I'm excited. I'm an artist too. So I look forward to it's a coloring book. Best coloring book I've ever received. Thank you. And please feel free to add your own goodies to it that you think should belong on the on the cards. Try to keep to the color scale though, because those are vibrations of light colors of light. If you don't have a guitar or a pitch pipe or something because each of those cards has a musical note attached to it. I love that. Isn't it interesting how everything just perfectly fits?

I love it. Thank you so much. You have enlightened me big time. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Many blessings to you. I appreciate you.

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