Sense of Soul - Chakras with Shai Tubali

Episode Date: June 14, 2021

It was our pleasure to welcome on Sense of Soul, Chakra Expert, Shai Tubali, an international speaker, author, and spiritual teacher. Shai is a leading authority in the field of self-development and self-empowerment. In his writings and teachings, he skillfully combines psychology, philosophy, Yogic traditions and Eastern thought and practices, into powerful processes of inner transformation. Shai has written 23 books, which have appeared internationally for the past two decades in five languages and have been published by major publishers. He is a leader in the field of chakras and the subtle body Shai also founded the Human Greatness Center, an international center in Berlin.  Shai joined us to talk about his journey, the chakras and his book, The Seven Chakra Personality Types, which we did our Spring book club on. He brought so much wisdom and this is one of our favorite episodes ever! We recommend The 7 Chakra Personality Types, as a fun, great way to learn about yourself, others and the chakras. Visit his very informative website, https://shaitubali.com Check out Shai’s youtube channel. Check out Shai’s new released book 7 Day Chakras. Please give Shai 5 Stars and Review!!  7 Day Online Workshop Check out Sense of Souls  777 Chakra Journey where Mande and Shanna walk you through the 7 Chakras in 7 days, with 7 min daily meditations and more. ONLY $27.77 https://www.mysenseofsoul.com

Welcome to the Sense of Soul podcast. We are your hosts, Shanna and Mandy. Grab your coffee, open your mind, heart and soul. It's time to awaken. Welcome. It is our pleasure to have with us today the international bestselling author, Shai Tabali, chakra expert, spiritual teacher, authority in the field of the kundalini and the subtle body system he joins us from berlin where he runs a school for spiritual development and holds seminars training setsings and retreats since 2000 he has been working with people from all over the world accompanying them on their spiritual path he has written over 20 books on spirituality and self-development, including Wake Up World, a bestseller in Israel, and The Seven Wisdoms of Life,

a winner of the U.S. Best Books Award and the finalist for the Book of the Year Award. And all of his books hold the power to alter your perspective and guide you through a transformational journey. Thank you so very much for being with us. Thank you. Thank you. I'm delighted to be with you. I really apologize for the tremendous delay in the midst of the PhD research, along with full-time work. The combination is problematic. Yeah, that was was covid so everything is delayed as well yes that yes i was given your book a long time ago this book the seven personality types i was given that by a friend a while back i loved it so much and i always recommend it to like my new students or anyone who wants to learn about the chakras

because it's a great way to learn the chakras and to learn about other people as well. Thank you so much. That's really, really encouraging to hear. It's good to know that we will also be able to have the conversation on the basis of your familiarity with the book. Yes, absolutely. I have to be honest with you. I had no idea what you looked like or how old you were. And it doesn't matter. But when I hopped on last night and was doing some more research on you, I saw that you are the same age as Shanna and i and i was like oh my god this man has written 20 plus books and he is the same age as us what did you start writing books when you were like two oh my gosh actually since i was 18 yes i had written before I embarked on a spiritual journey and started developing all these methods and systems. So quite depressed.

You had to get lost first to find yourself like most of us, right? Exactly. Okay, good. Well, then I'm glad you're just, he's as normal as we are, Mandy. So let's talk about that. On Sense of Soul, we've taken our pain and made it our purpose. Can we just start from like your childhood and your upbringing and then talk a little bit about that pain turning into your purpose? Oh, wow. That's a question. First of all, this is a very profound point. Turning pain into, I sometimes call it turning pain into dharma. Turning pain into our teaching. In our greatest pain, this is our greatest teaching.

Eventually, when we become teachers, what we teach is our transformed pain. Or transformed struggle. Or transformed life theme. What we teach is our transformed pain or transformed struggle or transformed lifestyle. So yes, I would say that in my own case, it was a lot around belonging, the sense of belonging or not belonging at all. And ever since I was a child, I had this kind of peculiar feeling of not being so much a part of the world or society or the culture I lived in. Religion, everything, even the body, felt so unfamiliar, almost foreign.

I think I retreated to the world of books and book writing in a very early age. I remember myself when I was 10 years old, I was writing frantically essays on the meaning of life while not even understanding what it was that I was writing. Then I became also a journalist in several newspapers. But that sense of non-belonging, I think, accompanied me for many years until the age of 21, when I felt that this kind of strangeness or foreignness needs to be resolved once and for all and then somehow you know how it is somehow as spiritual books began to to reach me and there started my journey started in india with several spiritual teachers and interestingly or not surprisingly i now teach the whole point that my teaching is about the experience of belonging, being a true part of the world, a true part of your body, agreeing to work with the actual materials of your life. But also, of course, while retaining this sense of non-belonging in the sense that we are also spirit essentially

that is also kind of like what we discovered it was like we're looking and looking and looking for this more and then when you get there it's actually the less then in that less it's a space where you can then connect to everything so it's like one of those oxymorons less is nothing nothing is more you know until you experience do you really understand but it is hard to explain in words yeah i agree yes this is actually a moment of truth, I think, because if there is a psychological part in us that wishes to escape the world, then we would, in a way, take advantage or exploit this free part of our consciousness

to only, let's say, fortify the wall that separates us from the world. And this is exactly, it's a very delicate point to encourage people to use the state of freedom of inherent freedom of their consciousness to actually return and embrace the world you see because if you're free then you're fearless if you're free you cannot be damaged you cannot be ruined right so when i'm talking about this with say someone who has no idea right they're like what the hell are you trying to say i'm not getting it one of the best ways i can actually help somebody see this is by trying to get them to understand that we are a multi-dimensional being. We are energy. We don't just, we're not just this meat suit. We have

energy and energy is everything. And so it's one of the things that I'm excited to talk to you about because this is something it seems like really lit a fire under you to figure out and put this into words for people to understand. This sense of being a multidimensional being. Our energy body, our subtle body, the centers that we have that then connect us with everything else. Yeah. How did you become aware of that? It all started extremely innocently and without any ability to name any of these experiences because it has started as a very powerful form of of spiritual awakening actually that the one that was that was quite uncontrolled i didn't understand my first teacher wasn't very collaborative in

explaining to me what it is that was happening and that left me quite perplexed and even overwhelmed for for several years that was in my early 20s. Wow, for years? Yes. Yes. And I certainly didn't know that what was happening was a Kundalini awakening. And that what are all these movements in the head and movements in the spine and so on. I even ended up going to MRI examinations over and over again. I see. I see. Yes. And then the doctors always say you have nothing. It's psychological. So then I was blessed enough to come across a real yogi,

an American called Dr. Gabriel Cousins. And Gabriel Cousins is a Kundalini expert. He had been actually initiated by the yogi Muktananda, Swami Muktananda, who was the student of Bhagavan Nityananda. When I met him in my completely overwhelmed, down-founded state, and I described to him this condition, he looked at me and he immediately knew everything, knew what was happening. And then with him, he enabled me to understand to give names to everything then i realized because this is a

tradition the nityananda tradition is their expertise is in kundalini awakening specifically that's all they do it's all about about energy transmissions and the profound knowledge of the Kundalini. And this actually led me eventually to my own expertise, to my own life work that culminated in all these chakra books and Kundalini books. And now I think that nothing that anyone would tell me about Kundalini symptoms that could shock me or leave me without the ability to please give some reasonable answer or some reasonable advice. So that's good. Because, you know, this path is pretty confusing. Yeah, Shannon, I definitely felt confused. And that is another reason we started sense of soul, because we didn't want people to be alone in their awakening. You know, she, like she said, had an MRI, I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia. And so was she, we thought we were going crazy. And we were so lucky to have each other. So that's why

we started Sense of Soul so that if there's someone else out there, we can be there for them. Can you explain a little bit in detail what a Kundalini awakening is? Sure. Well, I think it's pretty known that traditionally there is a sort of tremendous reservoir, tremendous, unbelievably tremendous reservoir of life force that resides at the very base of not exactly the spine, but the base of a subtle spine that is traditionally called the sushumna or the central column. Now, this life force is usually ordinarily minimally pumped up through the central channel and is spread throughout the subtle nervous system, providing life force also to glands and to organs and to nerve plexuses. But mostly, the most important element of this life force,

which is the spiritual consciousness, or our cosmic being, remains dormant. Now, what happens is, when we begin to even aspire to reach a heightened state of consciousness even in meditation even in a retreat to leave the world behind even if momentarily what happens is that this life force is steered and sometimes some of it is released through the central channel. So whenever it is released through the central channel up all the way to the higher energy centers, to the, we can call it the nerve plexuses, the subtle nerve plexuses, which exorcist which we call chakras what happens is that we begin to experience a bliss and and states of like unity consciousness a dramatic shifts of our identity a departure from the

personal sense of self to to a cosmic, and so on and so on. Sometimes this goes wrong. What happens is that if you imagine it like a trunk of a tree that has many branches, sometimes the energy goes up, but then it begins to diverge. It begins to move to the secondary channels. And this is where we begin to experience what we call kundalini crisis oh you see so so a spiritual teacher with an expert in kundalini's role is to guide or re-guide the kundalini through the central channel because if it reaches all the way to the top of the head, nothing can go wrong. It's only health

and ecstasy and unity and liberation. Wow. That is beautiful. You said that so good. Thank you so much. I don't know if you remember, Mandy, but I remember where I was. I was taking my kid to preschool. Mandy and I had a list full of symptoms we were doing at the same time, which made us even more feel crazy. I'm like, what? Why are you feeling what I'm feeling? And then I said, I'm looking for the symptoms. I'm trying to self-diagnose us, you know, symptom checker on md.com or whatever.

I'm trying to self-diagnose us, you know, symptom checker on md.com or whatever. I'm trying to self-diagnose us. I was going to figure it out, but I'm like, shoot, I keep on seeing, seeing all of our symptoms under some kind of Kundalini or Kundalini. I didn't even know how to say the word. And I was like, I don't know what that is, but sure does seem like we have a lot of those symptoms too. Other people have said it on like this blog. I don't even know where I found it, but it seemed that other people were searching for answers too. Like, what am I experiencing all of a sudden?

Am I dying? Literally at some point I thought for sure I have a disease, a cancer autoimmune disease is what it really felt like. My body was attacking itself in some way so once you're able to connect it is this energy you know rising through me are you able then to embrace that and do the symptoms ease a little bit or is that just part of it i would say that if we become able to control the this kundalini, because the whole purpose of the spiritual journey, whether we are conscious of it or unconscious of it,

is to be able to become masters of Kundalini. Because you see, at the beginning, this is like riding a tiger. It's so wild and untamedamed and you need to learn how to guide it consciously to know what is actually happening to understand what happens when it reaches this particular chakra and where are the knots because there are certain certain areas and when kundalini reaches these areas it begins to push very strongly forward or upward and and we experience pain and and all kinds of disorders so in my experience the more

you understand the process and the more you are equipped with the right techniques that are not not techniques that push it very strongly because k Kundalini is not something to push strongly, to persuade. If we begin to force it to shoot upward, we can actually create a severe imbalance. Again, this kind of branching out of the energy. There are techniques. You see, what is happening nowadays is that we are experiencing it so naively without any traditional context.

We don't have spiritual masters. We don't submit ourselves to culture, to traditional context. I didn't do that. And I don't feel that I could fit into a specific traditional context. But at least we need to derive from these traditions, the knowledge and some of the basic techniques to be able to master this energy. I think everyone should know that.

I think it's so fascinating how everyone can have a kundalini awakening in totally different ways. So for me, it came through a near-death experience. Near-death experience. Yes. Now I want to interview you. Okay. Someday you can. But why is it that some people have this and some people don't? Oh, that's a big mystery it's it's actually similar to asking

why do people become awakened and other people they devote their entire life to meditation and and are still sometimes unfortunately stuck in in the same patterns unable to break to make any significant breakthrough well here is again this is a big mystery i actually believe it does have something to do with past lives with the fact that some of us already had experiences perhaps in traditional context for instance and then when we come to this lifetime we just need to be reminded so but but then when we are reminded it is it is without any context with so so we don't understand so much what is happening but everything is happening so fast. And it feels more like memory resurfacing than an actual learning. Oh, I experienced that. I know what you're saying. And I'm like, how is this happening? But it is. Why is this coming to me? Why is this happening? Why is this available to me? Why am I manifesting?

But now I'm just like, okay you thank you sugar daddy as some people say thank you universe you're you're just so amazing I could seriously I want to talk to you every day of my life I just I'm like I'm sitting here everything that's coming out your mouth is hitting my soul so very hard you know sometimes I get a little sick of talking about the chakra so much because it's what I do for a living but our listeners don't get a lot of it daily you know teaching it and so I sound repetitive I think is what I don't like so much but our listeners don't get a lot of this I look at the chakras as a almost like timeline of your life what do you mean by by the timeline of your life so I think of this development almost like you talked about the tree you know the roots and so, you know, you come into this life, right? And your connection, and boy, did that whole root thing get me? I had no idea that was coming. But as you're going through your own energy system, your own, almost like your evolution of your soul. And like you said, if I think that the Kundalini energy is rising and it stops on those blocks or

those nudges and having you bring awareness to that space, I mean, it could be past life stuff. It could be inner child, you know, something happened to you when you were younger, but, but it's almost like this it's a guide for you to use to heal not just this body not just this energy and this life but your soul's evolution do you agree yes definitely definitely i i i i consider chakras to be our inner roadmap. Yes. Roadmap for both our psychological development,

a complete psychological development, complete emotional maturation, and the complete spiritual transformation. But it also, I would say that the chakras contain what I call the seven lessons of life, the seven lessons of the school of life. So in a way, we need to be good students and to study all these lessons, one after another, but also simultaneously

because it's much more complicated than that. We cannot predict what lesson should appear or should be responded to at each point of our development. So then if we study, if we study all of these lessons very thoroughly without avoiding, we eventually become graduates of the school of life. But this is so, so in this sense,

I treat chakras as as sort of seven teachers or seven masters yeah oh wow i love it thank you so before we jump into the chakra personality system i have a question for you okay how did this system and this information that you've lived your whole life dedicating to the system you built, how did it come to you? Was it a download? Was it you getting out a piece of paper and figuring it out with your ego and your mind? Was it something from above that came to you in a dream? How did this information come to you?

Well, some methods, they actually come in in a dream for instance but but this specific one i i would say that that it came it was just just as you said it was it was downloaded just like that because uh i started i started entering, delving into the chakra system. This is where I wrote the first book, The Seven Wisdoms of Life, which is more of an introduction to the lessons, to the seven lessons. But then what happened was that,

in a way that was downloading and observation, observation of people and of myself, I came to realize that the chakras have a personal or individual aspect that actually never been explored. Not profoundly for sure. This reality was verified again and again and again through people that I know. And then what was funny was that I started, after diagnosing or analyzing people in this way, I started realizing that people were actually simply playing out this pattern so they're they're being their chakra personality type in such a convincing way and predictable way I finally had no doubt that this was actually our reality, our human reality. And, you know, just for our listeners, the seven main chakras go up and down that shishuma. And the shishuma is almost like a hollow reed

where your energy is going to flow on a good day. And your chakras will spin and transmute energy out to exactly the amount it's supposed to on a good day. You know, I have found that the energy of the heart is that is the one energy that is so big and so powerful that can connect to everybody else. Well, I will first ask you whether you identify yourself as a heart chakra personality. I thought I was. And here's the great thing about your book is because I assumed 100% that's mine. But guess what? I was actually yogi.

I was actually the crown chakra with heart as my second. That's wonderful. Wow. Wow. Okay. That's wonderful. Wow. Wow. Okay. So that's highly spiritual. It's also very balancing to have the heart as your second, because that means that you forever retain a bridge, keep a bridge that connects you to the world.

So that's beautiful. Oh, yeah. I love what you just said mandy's actually was heart and her main one was uh throat and and that is mandy mandy has taught me so much about being vulnerable i see i don't shut up i need to listen more your book was so fun So that's what was so great about it was that Shanna had our coffee and we're sitting in her house and we were going through the book and taking the little test and we're giggling and we're laughing and we felt like we were part of

the book. Like it was a really fun activity for her and I to do. I mean, it was so fun to do this. This was years ago when we did it. What's really interesting is that my partner, his strength was on the completely other end of the spectrum. He was rude. And I thought, how interesting, how interesting. That's's my struggle that's always been my struggle not anymore believe me after years I'm good there but that's interesting how we attract people in our lives possibly where to balance us did you do you find that to be true definitely definitely Definitely, definitely. There are also some combinations that are better than others. Otherwise, because if they are too contradictory, there can be easily a conflict or a tremendous misunderstanding. Yes. But it is, of course, this is also related to our secondary types

because they can balance our type to a degree that we would be able to eventually engage with somebody who belongs to a very different or even opposing chakra type. But yes, we do come together also as friends, by the way, not just as our colleagues, in ways that balance or help us enjoy the other's expertise. And I'm not talking about professional expertise, but expertise in life. You see certain skills, certain inclinations that we lack.

On the other hand, we also find ourselves attracted to people who share to a certain degree our shadow or our challenge yeah because because chakra types they also have their shadow they're they're they're more difficult learning and they're and and also they're more those things that that they would not like to, that they would like to suppress or to look away from. Yeah. Yeah. So let's break it down for our listeners.

Let's talk about those seven. If you could just run through the seven different personality chakra types? First of all, we should remember that the principle is that each individual has a sort of a soul print, which is a major chakra that guides or gives shape to his or her personality. So there is this major chakra, and this major chakra determines the way we perceive the world, the way we interpret the world, the way we determine our values, what is most important to us, what is not important to us at all. And also our greatest challenge or our greatest friction with life is determined by our major chakra type. Then there is a secondary chakra type which determines the way of our expression in the world,

how we are going to fulfill our capacities, what is the way we are going to manifest to use as our main form of fulfillment in the world. And then there is also a supportive chakra type, which is a very powerful skill. Now, this doesn't exclude the fact that all of us can have a variety of degrees of other strong chakras. Because sometimes people get almost insulted and then they say, why can't I be all the seven chakras? Why should I put myself in a small box? But in the real world, we cannot be all of these personality types

because we must manifest or embody certain aspects more than others even if we are completely open-minded and completely broad in our perception so even great spiritual teachers they have their major chakra type now that we understand the principle we can briefly explore the personality types and and please stop me for questions if you want no because i i feel to my ears you're you're great i i'm learning a lot okay so first the root chakra type personalities that's what i call the builders and the builders they constitute the majority or estimate them as 40 percent of the world population just for fun it's not an actual statistic and they are obviously

most grounded personalities they are routine lovers they love to indulge in details and they take pride in their understanding of details and in their ability to diligently, but very slowly and very patiently work through life's details and build life structures. So they are not very humorous beings okay can you give us nick can you give us an example of someone that all of our listeners will know that is a builder oh my god first name that comes to mind is confucius the the chinese master yes okay because it was all about teaching morality and conduct and respect and you you mentioned before ancestry respect to to the past and to tradition the feeling of of building very slowly on the solid foundations of the past you see so they love territory they love family units they love belonging to great traditions and they feel very confident when they rely

or draw on these sources so i think this is enough for one, right? Yeah. So then there is the sacral chakra personality type, which I call the artist. The artist is perhaps the exact opposite. It is a completely lighthearted, actually almost careless, irresponsible, fun-loving, pleasure, spontaneous, uncommitted type. And they have a very poetic soul. They are capable of perceiving life's beauty in an extraordinary way.

And that's why many of the most famous poets or singers belong to this to this type so is it like so it's like a gypsy soul you can say that yes because they like to to to wander the earth without being a part of anything right so even if they create a family or they partner with somebody they still want to feel their independence that they cannot be put into any kind of what they consider to be a prison you see because they want to be like butterflies so they're very enjoyable and very artistic and humorous so that's the sacral chakra type. Of course, this is like brief history of everything. Oh, yeah.

The listeners will have to read. It is quite in-depth and amazing. Consider this the teaser. Yes. Even that is fun. Because I think through that, we get a feeling of the rainbow of human society i think that's why the personality type system is such a great key to tolerance and to to our ability

to embrace everyone including people we harshly criticize for not being like us right exactly has nothing to do with race or color or sex or anything it's all energy yeah so the third chakra type yes is what i call the achievers and the achievers i define them as as marathon runners with their mind fixed on certain mountain peaks. They always want to achieve something. Everything is interpreted in their mind, the language of achievement, victory. And this makes them extremely powerful individuals. They have so much energy, but their energy is undirected it's overflowing the achievers they are like arrows they are so targeted in the direction of their goals their

destinations they don't manage very well with their families and with relationships because they're always quite busy and they're sometimes they become workaholics but their ability to overcome and to demonstrate how far a human can go is actually quite extraordinary. So then there is the heart chakra type, which I call the caretakers. And the heart chakra types, their greatest value in life, I think we could guess, is love. They experience that love is why we are here. It's what we're meant to express. And actually, because of their near addiction to love to the experience of love and sharing they very often develop a sort of core dependency or simply dependency and and they

become highly emotional and hypersensitive and they all the time want to to know that they are loved i mean you literally just described me i don't know how this you know i thought a hundred percent this was me it was equal my my totals were equal but when i read the yogi i was like oh that's definitely more me there is a difference between when we identify our major chakra type we feel that it is a very high percentage of closeness to our own innermost experience of life and our end of ourselves and but our second chakra type also feels very close. So sometimes there is some competition that takes some time until our self identification stabilizes. Well, and I think Shanna, the yogi part of you was bottled up in your upbringing. And now it's been unleashed.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I think most of my issues were in the heart chakra but they were earthly things or you know things i was working on you're right it's amazing this book actually really helps you figure this out so what is the next one the fifth chakra speakers yes or the educators all of these are synonyms they are the influencers or the or the speakers the martin luther kings oh yes definitely i have a dream there are dreamers visionaries and they see very far they as if their gaze is turned to the far horizons of human society and the future they are future oriented they always think of what is possible, what is the potential, how humanity could be and how their life could be. They have this kind of intuition

that guides them toward fulfillment of great visions. Now, sometimes visions are too broad or too ambitious and they get caught in their own visions because they experience a painful gap between what is and what could be and that would be a bit confusing because they really experience themselves as if in this vision as if it has already happened so they are very strong influencers and their greatest joy in life is when they know that they have affected someone's life or some people's lives dramatically. They know how to spread ideas and how to express them in ways that many people can understand. Is that one of yours? That's my second, my secondary.

I can see that being your secondary for sure it sounds a lot like actually the next one in some way the third eye yes the third eye is definitely what what I identify myself with the most that's my 100 that's what I see for you yeah for sure so explain that how you think you are okay so ever since i was a child i was an observer an observer which means that i we said that i think at the beginning of the talk that i'd always felt a sort of of a sense of non-belonging like i couldn't be a part of the actual human experience or the part of the body now this is inherent in the experience of third eye chakra type. This is because they are naturally observers.

They look and they aspire to understand. But this actually traps them in a sort of experience of scientists, as if they've become the examiners of their own experience. So there is always some kind of a gap between them and the experience of life. They tend to analyze. This is also their greatest gift, because what they give to humanity is orderly thought and very clear patterns that make people analyze their own experience and follow these patterns for instance you think of freud sigmund freud einstein carl jung oh yes definitely definitely all those who come up with very original systems yeah pro chakra type they know how to spread them

how to interpret them and translate them and give them the right language but but six chakra type they usually come from the world of the academic world they sit with books all day long and spend hours in thinking alone that's definitely my son Do you find that these are genetic traits? Like my husband's like that, and my son is like that. Do you find that you see these personality chakra types through ancestral lineages? Well, I haven't noticed that. That's an interesting thought that I need to examine. Okay, well, I'll do that research for you. Shanna and I will do that research for you. We'll start observing that we'll start observing that we're not third eye yeah we'll we'll send it to you and then you write the book on it okay so we'll do the research we'll send them photo you

you write the book all right deal all right let's talk about the yogis yes yogis are the crown chakra type the uppermost point of the entire chakra system they are also the furthest from from the human experience or from the root chakra which means that they are they are so airy so ungrounded because in a way they are the closest to spirit you see the the sixth chakra type they are already closer to spirit in the sense that they are closer to to mental thought forms to to ideas and the throat chakra type to they are closer to visions so there is a sort of gradation of airiness. So with the crown chakra type, they have always the feeling that they do not belong to the world because they actually belong to spirit. but they feel an incessant longing to return somewhere, to retire from life and be in the realms of the spirit. So when they live in the right traditional background, or when they are supported,

they would probably find themselves going to ashrams or to monasteries or devoting themselves to some kind of spiritual journey or to your closet in your house if that's all you got because you have family always told shanna since i've known, Shanna and I have been best friends since we were 15. And I always told her, yeah, I always told her that I felt like she was a Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa is a good combination of her heart and crown. Yes, yes. Wow, that is strange. Funny, because when I first discovered my inner world, I didn't want to come out.

I was just fine there and desired to stay there as much as I could. I don't think there has been very many days since I started my journey in meditation that I haven't meditated in a day. I mean, if I don't, I would freak out. I don't want to be here all day. And, you know, and then I think back to when I was a child, how many times people were like, you're such an airhead, you're in your head, you know, you're spacey, you're space cadet,

stuff like that. It's actually more difficult for me to be mindful than it is for me to meditate to me it makes a lot of sense because because that's that's the type you see so and that's natural i think for the crown chakra type in my experience that they experience the greatest relief when they are finally able to identify themselves as as such you see because they are the ones who wander the earth the least consciousness of their type or the inclination because it becomes so heavily suppressed this is probably the the most judged

inclination in society. You see, where are you? And you know what else I struggled with during my journey is that I used to say, who needs a body? I don't need a body. I'm a soul. I don't need a body. I don't need an earth.

I don't need to be grounded. Grounded? I don't want to be grounded. I don't need that groundy, hard stuff. I don't need it. I'm a soul. And I didn't want to connect with my body. I don't need that groundwork stuff. I don't need it. I'm a soul. And I didn't want to connect with my body. I forced myself to, I didn't train myself to actually do that

because you can't in this human three-dimensional life live in your seventh chakra, especially not with four children. It doesn't work. I have a question. have you found that there's a certain chakra personality type that has more addiction issues than others oh definitely the ones that have this inclination the most but for very different reasons. So the sacral chakra personality type and the solar plexus chakra personality type. So the artist and the achiever, and for very different reasons. The sacral chakra type is because they like the experience of pleasure

and the experience of climax or experiencing the greatest pleasure or the greatest bliss possible that they want to induce these states you see for you exactly exactly yes to to feel the happiest and then there is the solar plexus chakra type and they are inclined toward addictions because of the intense workaholic lifestyle that makes them look for distractions, but also because sometimes it's simply another form of conquest for them. You see, it's obsession.

Obsession can easily be transformed into addiction. Yeah. So would empaths go under the caretakers, correct? Definitely. How does understanding the seven personality chakra types help you and guide you in life? A lot. First and foremost is self-acceptance. This is, I think, probably the most important element because when we understand that our patterns, both our excesses and our inclinations, they have a deeper origin, a deeper meaning. That this actually means that we have a role in the world and that it is a positive role. It is a sort of embodiment that is essential for everyone else because there are gifts in it this is i think such a great relief it's the feeling of belonging to yourself of being able to

feel comfortable in your own structure in your own pattern and and this also helps you to shield yourself from all the environmental demands and pressures that tell you you should be like us basically this is this is what every chakra personality type tells the other so we hear so much how we should be and then we internalize this should be and it becomes what the problem of non-self acceptance you see non-self acceptance is is always caused by an internalization of social voices so we can actually uproot these expectations or inner internal voices by knowing with confidence and with joy who and what we are. This doesn't mean that you shouldn't change. This doesn't mean that you shouldn't develop or that you shouldn't remove or balance some excesses of your personality type.

But only if they are damaging. You see? but only if they are damaging right you see only if they're really self-destructive but otherwise we can even embrace with with joy our so-called imbalances or excesses you see for for instance you knowing that you need meditation and sometimes you don't feel like being a part of this world and that's healthy that's how the divine the universe has shaped you and that's a form of divine will to be you until my hips and my legs start aching and then i'm like oh okay fine root chakra i'll give you some energy today and then i'm going back into my inner world but you do and that's what will happen your body will tell you in through pain or whatever that you need balance

and so just that discernment and always listening to your physical body for those messages of your mind body and soul all working together, always just listening and paying attention, being that just observer. And what is it telling you? Where do you need balance? Where do you need attention? Exactly. You've been working on another book?

Yes, a book titled Seven Day Chakras. I can't wait for the new book because the way you explain it is fun and easy to understand yeah i'm just i'm very grateful for you and now it's time for break that shit down and so we we ask our guests leave our listeners with something that's important to you right now in the world anything that you would want to put out there what i can say about chakras a small advice is not to feel that this is theoretical or external system. Chakras are not concepts, are not a concept. And therefore, my advice is that when you experience some emotional challenge in your life, some confusion, some conflict, develop the habit of sitting for a moment, closing your eyes and ask yourself,

where do I experience this in the body? You see, because chakras are our real subconscious. They are the subconscious of our body and of our mind. And therefore, when we begin to be able to detect to locate the area of our emotional challenge we begin to learn to listen to our chakras directly not through books for this is what i call becoming a chakra whisperer it's our ability to then relate the knowledge that we acquire from the books to our direct experience. And this is actually very educational. You learn so much through this practice because you also begin to realize that what you intellectually think that this particular challenge actually belongs to the heart chakra.

But then you listen to it more deeply and you realize that it's your root chakra speaking. God, I have experienced that exact same thing. Uh-huh. Okay, I have one more hard question for you. I'm going to tie it back to the very beginning. Okay. have one more hard question for you i'm going to tie it back to the very beginning okay you said at the beginning that you were on a search to figure out where you belonged after all of these years where do you belong well most deeply in the deepest sense i belong to everything

absolutely everything i wouldn't say that that there is one home for me, you see. The greatest liberation is when you feel that home is everywhere, that wherever you look, you find home. You cannot get lost. And that's also where the division between the spiritual world and the material world dissolves, because you realize that it doesn't matter where you are right now. Right now you can be in a physical body, human body, or in a

spiritual state, but it's everywhere, home. I love that, Bert. You are definitely worth the wait. And I just, I feel so very blessed. blessed I absolutely adore you I want our listeners to find you follow you so where can they go to find and listen to you more well there's an extremely vibrant YouTube channel there's always new uploads videos some of them are very long some of them are very short so that I think the most immediate link there is also facebook page but i would send everyone to the cube channel i love your videos and i loved how you break down the chakras i've loved your videos thank you for all of those they're very well done very, very clear, tangible information. So I appreciate those videos.

You have been amazing. Great delight. Okay, one more time. Tell our listeners the name of your new book that's coming out. Seven Day Chakras. Amazing. Mandy and I made it's called the 777. It's seven chakras in seven days, seven meditations, you know, only seven minutes. And it's $27.77. It's probably one of our most popular courses that we sell online because I think people are looking to understand more about themselves, more about their energy. Yes, yes. It's such a pleasure to meet you. You're such an amazing teacher.

Thank you so much. I can't describe what a joy it has been to get to know both of you. You are, first of all, a remarkable pair. I can feel the way your energies are intermixed, blended in such a creative, constructive way. That's really touching, actually. And aside from that, each of you is a very precious being. And I really appreciate the knowledge, the struggle, the revelation that you have accumulated in this lifetime. It is felt in every sentence and in every expression. So thank you for that. I appreciate thank you thank you thank you goodbye thanks for being with us today we hope you will come back next week

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