Sense of Soul - Compassionate Consciousness - SHE has Risen

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

Today on Sense of Soul podcast we have author Sally Patton, Ed.M. Child Development advocate who worked for children with special needs for over 35 years. Between 2002 and 2013, she wrote about and conducted Involve workshops on ministering to children with special needs labels in faith communities and on spiritual parenting of atypical children. Sally expanded her spiritual awareness through a deep contemplative practice involving nondual mystical texts and teachings about our truth as divine beings inhabiting physical bodies for the purpose of embodying compassionate consciousness. She now writes, consults and conducts workshops on women's spiritual and transformational journey to reclaim our divine feminine essence in order to dissolve and heal lifetimes and decades of patriarchal conditioning. In this episode she share’s the journey behind her new book, Life Is a Song of Love, where she draws upon channeled non-dual teachings from Yeshua and Mother Mary, combined with a variety of teachings from many faith traditions and spiritual paths, to answer a unique call to be an emissary of Divine Feminine Compassionate Consciousness. The Holy Mother has returned to heal into wholeness the division between feminine and masculine energies, necessary to end thousands of years of patriarchal domination. Sally helps women wake to the strength of the Mother within, embracing the sacredness of all life on Mother Earth. Visit her website: www.embracechildspirit.org 
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monthly circles, and much more. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sense of Soul, we have Sally Patton. Sally is an author and child development advocate who has worked with children with special needs for over 35 years and has wrote several books on child development and has conducted workshops or ministering to children with special needs labels in faith communities and on spiritual parenting of atypical children. And over the years, Sally expanded her spiritual awareness through a deep contemplative practice involving non-dual mystical texts and teachings about our truth as divine beings inhabiting physical bodies for the purpose of embodying compassionate consciousness. She has conducted

workshops on women's spiritual and transformational journeys to help them reclaim their divine feminine essence to heal lifetimes and decades of patriarchal conditioning. And she's joining us today to tell us about her new book, Life is a Song of Love, where she draws upon channeled non-dual teachings from Yeshua and Mother Mary, combined with a variety of teachings from many faith traditions and spiritual paths, to answer a unique call to be an emissary of the divine feminine compassionate consciousness. This book is an intimate transformational journey interwoven with archetypal journey of every woman on the spiritual path to undo the internalized patriarchy. Well, if that's not right up my alley, then I don't know what is. So I'm excited to have

this conversation and to share Sally Patton with you. Hi, how are you? I'm good. How are you? Oh, I'm so excited about this conversation. I know it's going to be amazing. I'm looking forward to it also. There's so much synchronicity I have to show you. You and I were going back and forth, you know, trying to get you on. And during that week, I was for no reason at all. Okay. I do art. I'm always creating something and I'm writing a book on the goddess Sophia. My journey is all about the goddesses that kind of led me there. It was all synchronicity. I didn't seek any of it. So it was really a divine journey. I'm creating this picture and I have no idea why. None. I mean, kind of a little bit off of a dream that I had years ago, but it was just random that I was doing it in that moment. And I've seen this picture before, but I wanted to create it myself. And one day you and I were messaging and I said, you know, I need to go and look at her stuff because I started to feel a connection as we were going back and forth.

You know, the divine feminine is truly something else because I find this to be a regular occurrence, I would say. You know, it's pretty darn amazing. Okay. Can you see my screen? Yes. Okay. Do you see this egg? Yes. Yeah. Look. Oh, we'll see. I don't even know that. So I had made this the December 6th. Yeah. And I want to say if we go back to our messages, it was right around that time that I hadn't seen the cover or is this is on the cover of your book? Yes. Yeah, the snake is going up instead of down. Oh, it is. Okay. Is there a reason? Is it because of the Kundalini yes is that also so if you google gnostic eggs or or fake eggs they're one in the same thing you will find similar things but the snake is usually going upward okay sorry to take up that

time but i just i knew it was important i and then i started to read more and look into more about your book. And I was like, Oh, okay. This meeting is created by the divine. It definitely feels like that. I'm so pleased. I know. I'm so I can't wait to hear about your journey. I just had to share that with you. Lately, my most favorite thing to do is to hear how people fall into the Divine Mother because I know for myself that was not something that I easily accepted. I had to fight against all these conditions because I grew up Catholic. Yeah. Of course, the Catholic Church did preserve the mother in one form, which has been helpful for a lot of people that at least she was there in that form. At least in the Catholic Church, Mother Mary had a place, even though she's a lot more than what the Catholic Church assigned to her. However, the Protestant churches didn't really retain Mother Mary.

So we kind of lost the one representation of Mother God, in a sense, in organized Protestant religions. However, she's back in force. She is definitely here in her many forms, the Mother God in her many, many forms. And why we're going through this awakening right now is because the Mother God finally returned to the face of God for balance. It's really quite a wonderful time to be alive, even with all of the violence and conflict and all of the stuff that is just sort of rearing its head at the moment. Which is so why we need that. Yes. And it's why it's happening that the mother got returned because all of that energy for everything that had been hidden beneath the surface has brought it up into the light so that it can be healed. And that's pretty much the purpose

and why this is all going on right now. We have to hold on to our faith and trust that this really is a healing experience rather than going backwards, feeling as if women are losing all of their rights and all of that kind of stuff. It feels as if we're going backwards, feeling as if, you know, women are losing all of their rights and all of that kind of stuff. You feel as if we're going backwards, but, you know, patriarchy is holding on like a little bit.

As you're saying that, I had this vision of, I have four children. And there is always like this thing, you know, you better not mess with that. I'm going to go tell your dad. I'm going to go tell your dad. I'm going to go get your dad. Right. Like if you're, you know, the kids are being bad or whatever, you threaten like that father, like I'm going to go get your dad. But when things are too out of control, it's the mother that comes in and calms that chaos. Yes. When the discipline's gone too far or it's too hectic or there's fighting or whatever, the mom can come in and be that balance and be that peace. Yes. Some moms. Yeah, true. There is this evolution. I know my daughter and I have been healing the mother-daughter patriarchal

wound now for years, and we're still doing it. So many. And, you know, I had a loving mother, but she also had her issues. And of course, I'm 73. So my mother, she would have been 103 now. She had been conditioned just like all of us to stay silent, to be the nurturer, but never really allow her wild, creative self to take hold and be the power that she could be. And that conditioning, you know, that came down to me also. And then of course, I was the generation, you know, the 60s and the 70s, where the feminist movement came alive. And so we thought we could do it all, right? Because that's the conditioning, if you're going to be with the men in the work world, you have to play by their rules. You can't be the creative, wild wisdom woman that has fierce love on her side and rocks the boat. You can't be that, at least in the 70s and the 80s. And that conditioning got

down the female line to my daughter, Sarah. Right. Is she a Gen X? She's 38 right now. The thing that's happened is that my husband, Rick, died in April. I'm so sorry. And so we are still within this grief process. Yeah. But the grief process has cleared out so much stuff that she's still healing what she thought her inner child needed and she didn't get from me. So it's required us to be totally, completely honest with each other, which at times, it's rough, but it's the only way through. The only way through is to be totally and completely honest about our feelings. Because for so long, both men and women were taught not to deal with feelings. We were supposed to shove them away and they got shoved into our shadow place, which is held by the inner child. And so the only way out is the complete honesty and self-love. Which wasn't taught to us. No, it was not taught to us. And self-love can only occur when we completely embrace

all the feelings that we have instead of shoving them away. So that's what's happening with us right now. And I tell you, sometimes it's like, oh, gee, are we ever going to get through this? But I know we will. And we tell each other we love each other all the time, even when we're having a hard time with the healing process. It's so funny. I was just talking about this with a client not too long ago. I work mainly with women, but I'm open to working with men too, and I have. But most of us women are healing that mother wound because they're healing their mother wound

or didn't even know that they needed to heal that. Yeah. And it's important that the women do it first because we do have that capacity. We know that wisdom is inside of us, that even with the thousands of years of trying to suppress the divine feminine, we actually do know it's still inside of us. And I think those of us who are on any kind of spiritual journey start to access that inner wisdom. I have learned that,

you know, women became the prime purveyors of patriarchy, conditioning, because they had to have the women do that. We were the ones that give birth. We have the children in that we needed to be well-conditioned so that the tool I consider patriarchy, a tool of separation consciousness. Absolutely. And so that never could have happened if women's powers hadn't been suppressed. Joan of Arc just came to my mind just now. Anytime there was any kind of strength in a woman, it was feared. Yeah. They were suppressed. They were violently killed. Many women ended up on the cross,

just like Yeshua. And of course, burning and all that did happen. It may be not terribly well known, but it did happen. We have that memories in ourselves ancestrally, but also from previous lives. Yeah, strong. So there is something that is really, really changing in women right now. It's amazing. I love it. I just love, especially your generation, my daughter's generation, and then even younger. It's amazing what is happening. And those children that are coming in now,

they're coming in for the full purpose of seeing us through to the awakening transition of Earth to the fifth dimension. They've been my greatest teachers, for sure. My children have been my greatest. And the younger they are, the more fans they are. I know you have four children. Two girls, two boys. A nice balance. I mean, after all, that's what we're after, right? We're not after, we just want to heal the distorted masculine. The divine masculine is needed just as much as the divine feminine.

I've learned that, yes. And it took me a long time to even understand what the divine masculine was because I'd been so conditioned. Everything that I thought was positive energy had to belong to the feminine energy, right? I felt that way too, because I was like mad, right? There's a lot of anger coming out still from women. And it's a good thing. The anger is a good thing. All emotions are good things. They're just emotions. And the anger helps us get in touch with stuff that we've shoved away into the shadow. It brings it up. And it's necessary so that we can turn our anger into fierce love, which is very much the divine feminine is the fierce love. I mean, Kali Ma is a wonderful example of fierce love.

Sekhmet. And we kind of made Mother Mary into this sweet kind, but she's not. She's fierce. She has that fierce love. She has to, right? That mother bear. I can't imagine, you know,

watching my son alienated and called a liar and being crucified and all the things. That would be horrible. The only times in my life I've ever felt like true angers, you know, when someone's attacking my child. Yes, I went through similar. The thing about Mother Mary is she is so much more than what any of the organized religious churches have made her out to be. And she is here in much, much greater energy than ever before. I mean, Mother Mary is just a manifestation of the Mother Sophia God. She is her avatar, I guess would be the best word a manifestation of the Mother Sophia God. She is her avatar, I guess would be the best word to use, is her avatar.

So I still go through periods of just admittedly fear and despair. And then I have to bring myself back to the inner. Because when we truly have compassion for ourselves, then we can have compassion for all of those people who, and a lot of them are men, who are so gripped in the fear of losing control. And when we can have compassion for them, it doesn't mean that we forgive their actions. We just have compassion for them so that we do not fall into the kind of anger that's

based on fear and hatred. Does that make sense? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you said that beautifully. I feel like that's been my journey for a long time outside of even understanding the divine feminine. So it was just the healing of the self first in that, you know, and not even, I had no idea where this was going to go, but you know, my journey started with that self-love and that self-trust.

Self-trust is a big one, I think, for women. It's huge. Yeah, not needing validation from outside of you. Yeah, that one is really huge. And something that continues even with me, I lose my self-trust periodically, and then I have to center myself in my contemplative practice. And I have a labyrinth that I created, which is why the labyrinth became the metaphor for the heroine's mystical spiritual journey. That's amazing. Please tell me, what does it represent? So the labyrinth often gets confused with a maze.

But the maze is the patriarchal construct. It is deliberately created to get people lost, you know, and often can lead to violence and hurt. But the labyrinth is a unicursal path. It folds in and out, and it always leads into the center. The thing of it is, if you follow the path, which is very clearly marked, it always leads into the center. But it feels like it goes in and you're almost there, and then you're led out again. And then it folds and may take you out to the furthest point,

and then it starts to fold, and then it starts, and then eventually it ends up in the middle of your heart in your womb so the labyrinth is like a mandala and it represents the womb of the holy mother of mother god and it also is a representative of our path, a spiritual path for both men and women, right? Because no path is straight. That's the divine feminine, the interweaving, the back and forth. That is the divine feminine. We bring everything together. As in our journey, sometimes we feel like we've gotten close to our hearts and awaking and then

all of a sudden, whoops, we're let out again. And we fold in and because there's more for us to learn. The cycles of the moon, right? Yes. There's always more to learn. I mean, this is one of my biggest revelations in my spiritual journey is that there's no final big boom ending. I kept thinking early on, like that, get this figured out, right? Yes. Everything would be great and fine. But the thing of it is, even when we are not in these bodies and we transition on into our soul state, we are constantly expanding and learning. It never stops.

It never stops. This is why I can't end my book. How did you finish your book? I just thought as soon as you're talking about the labyrinth, I'm like, here we go again. I'm going to have to add that into my book. Yeah. Well, and I had a very close conversation. I sometimes can channel.

It's not a regular thing. And the whole book was very much of a transmission. My awareness was very, very high. And one of the things about The Labyrinth, and I'll get to that question, is that I was supposed to write the book the same way. And my other two books, I wrote an outline. You know, you follow an outline. You follow a map.

You know, that's how you learn in school. You have to... And this time I was given in a meditation with Kuan Yin by my inner child, the blank book with the title, Life is a Song of Love. And I thought, oh, great, but no thanks. I just really didn't want to write another book.

It's true to be known. I was very content on top of my mesa. I'm pretty isolated and I'm an introvert and I'm fine, right? But eventually I became very aware that this was something that I couldn't resist, that this was something I was supposed to do. This was I'm an emissary of the divine feminine. This needs to be written. But I didn't know what. And very early, the message from Mother Mary was, you're not to write an outline.

I spent a lot of time trying to write an outline, and it just didn't work. I had no idea what was going to end up in the book. And she said, just write, just write, because it'll eventually fold in like the labyrinth and interweave and it'll eventually turn into an entire book. And toward the end, the second to last movement, I think it was. I had a very wonderful sort of humorous conversation with Mother Mary and I kept saying, I don't know when the book will end. Me too, I've had the same conversation.

And she said, oh, the book will end, but you won't, You will just continue. And that's true. I eventually did come to a place where it felt like I was supposed to stop. I didn't know in the beginning. And the thing about the interweaving, I actually wrote the finale, what I call the finale. First? Before I wrote the finale, what I call the finale. First? Before I wrote the prelude.

Dude, this is so crazy. This is so like me. This was not like me. Not like you. Yeah, this was me finally just saying, okay, I'll give up. This is trust. I'll just trust that it'll all turn into what it needed to be. And so I did live the, and it sounds like you are too, I lived the book while I wrote it.

So there were things happening all along the way, like this beginning work on the Muttler Daughter Picture Art of Wound started before I actually started writing the book, but I had no word for it. Then I had a word for it. And then I realized that all my movements led up to it and all my movements led from it. Same. I never had the words either. I was like, what is happening? What is going on?

I didn't know anything about any of this. And I'm like, what? That's a thing? Like, wow. It does. And that's why it is expansive. You're so right on that. And thank you so much for even validating that for me because, well, first of all, the labyrinth thing, that's huge. And I actually saw at the bottom of, I don't know if you know Diana Kelly is, but I had her on and she also, she's more in the Gnostic Sophia as well, but she has a labyrinth of her website. And I meant to ask her about that. I just saw it recently and I didn't, but. Have you managed to lock one? No, but I looked one up. So of course my podcast is very divine. So anything that's going on in my life, usually I'll have a guest. So it's just been like that, the synchronicity with my podcast and my guest. And I had a guest who came

on, she wrote a book about labyrinabyrinths but she didn't connect it to the divine feminine but she was telling me about them and i was like wow i said i my favorite movie is the labyrinth uh you know it's david bowie and you know growing up that was my favorite movie it still is one of my favorite movies and yeah but you do you get lost right and it's there's like this anxiety so I was very intrigued by you know this practice that she had with the labyrinth and so I looked up we have a really amazing one here in Colorado but it's far from me where are you at I'm in Atticue New Mexico which is an hour from Chama which is right on that Colorado border. Yeah, you're not our neighbors.

We'll have to figure out how to get together. Well, and if I ever go to this labyrinth, it is that way. And I want to say it is on the property of the very first Catholic church in Colorado. Oh, it's possible the Catholic churches have embraced the labyrinth because they came through Mexico. Yeah, I could see that. Well, in the San Luis Mountains,

you know, that's actually named after the French because they owned, you know, all the parts of Colorado right there. And it's named after St. Louis, which was the first king that was sainted i feel like everything is hidden in plain sight it is it is and there are actually labyrinths everywhere now are they oh yeah it's really caught on i need to find one because i almost thought about creating one in my backyard right well there's plenty of stuff online on creating

labyrinths okay just make sure you get the one that folds in and out is a unicursal path into the center right because still people will use the word labyrinth or labyrinth team to describe getting lost and in court you know and all that kind of stuff but the true labyrinth you can't get lost there's absolutely no way to get lost, which is true of our spiritual journeys. When we decide to go in, there is no way to get lost if you are tapping into your inner self, your inner soul. Yeah. I definitely felt a little lost at first as I entered into what I felt was so unfamiliar to me. You know, reading the Gnostic Gospels and saying, Whoa, Jesus is like a freaking Zen master.

What? Who's this Jesus? And Mary Magdalene, she's a seeker like me. Yeah. But it was so unfamiliar. Well, it is unfamiliar and yeah it can feel as if you're getting lost when you're in the labyrinth because you think oh i'm almost to the center all of a sudden whoops you fold out again and that's just life that's why it's a good metaphor because our lives do fold us in and out of our center all the time.

And we do fold in and out of fear all the time. And that's helpful to remember. And also after you've experienced it enough time, you realize that when you fold out into fear or whatever is going on, that you always will return to your inner self. What I found was that I kept coming to new perspective. Anytime I was seeking, you know, I, there was the seeking that, I mean, in fact, my book's called Desperately Seeking Sophia, because there was this, I felt like a spiritual sleuth.

Like I was an investigator and I was going to figure this all out, right? Kind of like you said, I thought there was an end game too. I was going to figure it out. But really you're right because the only thing that kept happening was I was evolving and everything was expanding. My beliefs were expanding and I wasn't turning away from even my beliefs. In fact, they just were becoming more rich and more of my own experience rather than what someone had told me to believe. Yeah. My other suggestion would be to do a little more research into the Gnostic egg.

I know, obviously. Because it was a clear indication there early on for you. And, you know, the egg is the representative of the cosmic womb. And then the snake and the owl are always associated with the divine feminine, because the snake sheds its skin, it's always rebirthing itself. It's always transforming itself. And then some snakes have poison, which can be an alchemical process of transformation. And my book cover, by the way, was done by my son. Oh, I love that. My book cover has a rose and a lily in the mouth of the snake.

And the labyrinth is the background for the egg. Okay. What's significant about the lily? Because I have a whole chapter about Lilith and lily and how this came about. I have a whole chapter on the Lilith in my book, too. A whole movement on Lilith. Me too. Wow. It came from a dream. I had no idea who she was. It was all about a dream. There really are a lot of synchronicities between the two of us, aren't there? So yes, I hope you read my movement on Lilith. I'd love to get your opinion on it, given that

you're also writing about her. She's amazing. And she really was the first woman. I know. The first prototype woman. And I feel like if we would have known her, I mean, what a feminist, right? I mean, really, truly the first woman to use her voice. She was vilified for it. Yes. Yes, she was. Demonized. They turned her into a witch. I know the kind of witch that whenever they get a strong woman, they use the word witch, which was actually a wonderful word at one point. And it's returning to that point. In fact, a lot of people think that it's also the, they vilified her and it's also started the stories of vampires and succubuses and all this kind of stuff,

because she was supposed to suck the sexual vitality out of men. I mean, they did a really good job of trying to destroy her. Yeah. For not wanting to lay beneath. Adam. Yeah. Yeah. I felt very, I didn't know anything about the story. It was really a dream. I had a dream that I was at a wedding and I was getting married and all these men were like giving me gifts and there was something not right about all the men. They were like a secret society of some sort too. And I go back into this dark area of my home, I guess. And it was not like any time that I've ever lived in. It was old, you know, and there was this woman hiding there and I felt very protective of her. And her name was Lily.

And we knew that we had to leave. We heard this man outside say, we need to put her back into the ground where she belongs. And I sacrificed my marriage and left with her. And that was the dream. But I did the art on this the next day because it was so clear and I didn't want to lose it. And I felt like she was like my sister or someone I really was protective of. And it was like that week, someone's on my podcast talking about Lilith and I'm just like thinking about this dream. And so I started my study there with Lilith. And then I was having this rabbi on all the time because he studies Kabbalah. And I was trying to share with him that like the tree of life is so very Gnostic, but yet he didn't know that. So we would share

information and it just was really fun. Our conversations, I really have learned a lot from rabbis. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, there are intersections of truth, mystical truths in all faith traditions. And if we just let go of the forced patriarchal interpretation of all of that stuff, then we come together, which is the divine feminine. It's about weaving everybody together. It's about relationship. So to answer the question about the lily in my book, lily is a symbol of Mary Magdalene. And the rose is a symbol of Mother Mary. Okay, I have heard that.

Now, I do know that my name, Shanna, and the rabbi told me this as well, means lily. Yes, it does. Yeah, actually, I was a lily in a previous life. So it came back to me in many, many ways. And so it makes sense that Lilith is part of that tradition. The Magdalene's, the order of the Magdalene's came from Isis. Isis, okay. The Egyptian leader and goddess Isis. And Hathor was before Isis, she was trained, Isis was trained by Hathor. And they were the great civilization. I mean, Egypt is the source.

And it is from Isis and Hathor that it is a source. And it was the start of the Order of the Magdalenes. So you have a lot of the goddesses are in that Order of Magdalenes. And also Joan of Arc. She's part of the Order of the Magdalenes. I've been thinking about this for the past month. Is there a force that is against us? Not men, I'm not saying necessarily that, but is there something, I guess I'm speaking more of esoteric kind of energy that is against us discovering these things. If you've listened to my prior episodes with him, then you know he has a ton of wisdom to share.

And he's offering Sense of Soul listeners a special discount to take a deep and personalized dive into Kabbalah and the unfolding of your own personal journey. If you're interested, go to MatthewPonak.com backslash Sense of Soul. That's M-A-T-T-H-E-W-P-O-N-A-K.com backslash senseofsoul to learn more and sign up. Now back to our amazing guest. Yes, because part of this is over now that the divine feminine has returned, but we were pretty much part of what

people some people call the enslavement code so many of us have been from other star systems and all kinds of stuff but we ended up on here on earth and i i know that i was in egypt i actually went to egypt in october and had some very profound experiences. Nice. So because we've been part of that enslavement code, which as I said, is now gone, so that this is our last lifetime that we will be here in forgetfulness. And most of the children coming in now will rapidly remember. They may not right now, but they will rapidly remember. And the earth is the focus of much attention right now, because we're doing something that has never been done before. We're becoming divinely human. This is one of the reasons why so many of us have stayed here, to develop and to deepen our experiences at a soul level so that we can create

this there are entities and remember all all entities are unfolded by the source by the holy mother god whatever you call it that are in the fourth dimension that does not want Earth to awaken. It's too late. It's already happening. That is one thing to keep reminding ourselves. It is already happening. It's not going to stop. But there are some entities in the fourth dimension that are working very much with some of our people on Earth who are very much into separation consciousness and the darkness and their souls are receiving all the energy but it's not getting through to them because they are in such fear they have everything tamped down yeah so they're working with the people that are trying

to hold on to that patriarchal society like you spoke at the beginning yeah so that there are entities in the fourth dimension that do not want earth to yeah come archons or whatever yeah i don't know i've given up on trying to name them anything i just know they're there they are of god also i actually choose not to focus on those that are because because if i do then i can get lost in the field well so i don't focus on them because i actually know that they're not going to succeed i know that within my heart and in anybody that's doing any kind of listening to podcasts and channelers and spiritual teachers they're the ones that believe all of this comes from within and so they're not trying to tell us

they're just giving us information they're all saying the same thing that we are well on this path of awakening and that these forces that don't want us to succeed are losing ground this is not going to happen the thing about those who are residing in the fourth dimension and i i was just listening to a channeler i've forgotten who who it was actually at this point, but she was talking about that actually, we talk about Earth is making this grand leap that a planet has never made before, of going from the denseness of the third dimension to the freedom and the energy of the fifth dimension, right? But she was talking about that actually we are residing in the fourth dimension right now. It's just heavily influenced still by the third dimension,

but it's now getting influenced by the fifth dimension to counteract all of that. So that actually makes some sense on why there's so many fourth dimensional entities here trying to hold us back. I feel my job is to say clearly in my faith and trust in that all of us are part of this awakening. Yeah, we're one. So that's what I received. I was in the Sophia circle not long ago and um i received i you know i i feel like i haven't channeled um sophia necessarily through any of this but i felt like my higher self was leading me but in this circle definitely i received a message from the divine feminine a hundred percent and this was oh my god i think it was december 6th it was the day that I'm going to have to go back, but I'm almost a hundred percent. It was December 6th, but it was weird, but it, what I received, I, I, I, there's no way

my brain received it. It was really quick. I shared it with the circle, like on the moment, but it was, I belong to no one and i am home to all yeah and that was the first time i felt like i actually received that the thing about channeling is is that especially for somebody i mean i'm 73 so the course of miracles came out in the early 70s. It was channeled in the 60s and came out in the early 70s. I didn't actually find the Course of Miracles until I was almost 40 years old. So channeling started out for people like myself as being like this,

oh, boy, there's some amazing people out there. They're channeling all of these texts from Yeshua and Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene and all of this sort of stuff. And they're extraordinarily helpful. But then as I've been in this now for a while, we are all channelers. We do it in different ways. Some people have that gift of the direct words coming through them. Right. But my book, in a sense, it would not be considered a traditional channeling. But as you said, your level of awareness is very, very high. And that's channeling. That's channeling our soul selves into our bodies.

Like that synchronicity, your dreams, right? All of these things. All of that are forms of channeling. I agree. Yeah. I think people get hung up on Neil Dahl of Walsh or Amari Peron who channeled The Course of Love, which I dearly love. Or these channelers that are on some of the other podcasts that I've seen. We all have our gifts, and we're all part of this great awakening. Absolutely. And we have a purpose.

If our little piece is gone, then the awakening doesn't happen. We are all in this together in one that's creating this awakening. And when you're aware, it just is natural. Yeah. And when you're aware. Yeah. You know, another thing that I'm curious about, I have a son who's on the spectrum, so somewhere in the middle, but he'll live with mommy forever. Actually, we all desire to be more like him because he has less ego. This does. And they actually are the savants of the new awakening. I can see that. Yeah. Yes. And my son has dyslexia and he came in in the late 80s. He's an indigo child. So they were sort of second wave.

And that was my first ministry with the Unitarian Universalist was how to create beloved community for all of the children, even the ones that have special needs labels in our churches. And then I wrote a book called, it was Don't Fix Me. I'm Not Broken, Changing Our Minds About Ourselves and Our Children. It's pretty much for people who have children that have received the special needs label. They don't need to be fixed. And as much as within separation, sometimes labels are necessary in order to get services for our children. Absolutely, yeah. They are not their disability.

That's created by separation. They have immense amount of gifts. And sometimes labels can be self-fulfilling prophecies. Yeah. I mean, I always knew within my heart that they're here to shake things up. Yeah. I was going to ask you about your son. So you two then have experienced that your kids have been your greatest teachers.

Yes. I sometimes say that Tyler was the catalyst for my spiritual journey. Because, I mean, I was on a spiritual journey. But after I had Tyler, and I was working in the field, the disability field already. So I was well aware what was going on. But then I realized that what I really needed was a spiritual perspective on all of this. And I did a mini sermon in my church, and I had so many parents come up to me afterwards. And one woman said, if I can't bring my son to church, what can I bring him? And this is a UU church, if you realize, liberal, which was a good place for me

to do my ministry, because my message was well received. I'm creating beloved community for all children. And what I said is you create beloved community for one or two children that are struggling, then the whole culture of the church changes for all of the adults that still have their own quirks and personalities. And, you know, some of them would, you know some of them would you know be labeled too if they had grown up in a different time absolutely and it's a very it's like a lot of the churches changed dramatically when they just decided to welcome one child that was strong no matter what the struggle was. So yes, in my ministry then, I realized that all of these children coming through that were increasing the numbers of kids in special needs programs and so forth, were here for a purpose to shake up our educational institutions

and to shake up all of the institutions that wants to put them in a box. Absolutely. They got to change. These generations are pretty amazing. These younger generations. Eventually, you know, it's going to be totally different when we're fully human and fully divine. I mean, we'll be communicating not using words people will be doing their passion and what they love they won't be forced to end plus because we're in oneness we have access to all of the wisdom and all of the energy you don't need to go to school to and speak if you know education is created is another institution of part of the system. Historical institution that's trying to condition us a certain way to stay where we are.

Very much so. Very much so. The fact that my daughter has to watch news at the beginning of every school day is an issue for me. I don't watch the news. I don't watch the news. I don't watch the news either. Yeah. She has to watch CNN 10 minutes of current events. I mean, I, you know, and not only does she have to watch it, she has to digest it because she has to do three questions on it to find stuff in common with her life, what she, something that she's never heard before. So it's, it's,

I just, no, it just doesn't sit right in, in me as a mother, but I mean, what can I do? You know, I can take her out of the school, you know, and, and she just wants to be a kid, you know, she just wants to be with her friends. And only thing is is that she knows how i feel you know and i you know she has her own journey but you know i'm just like you know and the thing is yourself yeah and we don't really we can be empathetic and understand what our children's journeys are, but we can't really know what they are. True. Because we still don't really totally understand our own journeys yet.

Just figuring it out in my 30s, 40s. We're still doing this. Right. Yeah. Expanding forever. Yeah. yes we're we're still doing this right yeah expanding forever yeah and so who knows maybe her journey is to eventually figure out how to take all of this news and transform it into something else right or nurturing who knows or yeah or come up with a a new a new way to share current events where you're not just one-sided or you know maybe we need a middle news well there's plenty of there's plenty of people reporting them other than you know the mainstream media is there to keep patriarchy in place. Yeah. All of it.

Yeah. All of that here. But there. But the reason why this is awakening is happening is that they don't understand all of this groundswell of stuff coming up. That's an alternative to all of that. True. There's many conscious YouTubers that you can find. know i mean i yeah i it you know it's like that technology is you know like both good and bad in many ways yes and we're able to

communicate and i'm able to connect with so many and we're able to spread you know what we've received which is a beautiful thing but yeah there's a lot of darkness in it as well you know, what we've received, which is a beautiful thing. But yeah, there's a lot of darkness in it as well. You know, I also wanted to ask you, this is something that's been coming up for years for me is, you know, I realized in just being very conscious and in my own life that I wasn't always loving unconditionally. I love you as long as you're doing this. Or I felt, you know, it was definitely something I wasn't conscious to. And once I became aware that I was loving with conditions, I really, truly started to understand what real love was.

And the name of your book, Life is a Song of Love. Why did you choose that title? Well, I think, as I said, in the beginning, I was in the middle of meditation and visualization with Kuan Yin. And it was all about the inner child. And I had received even before she gave me the book with the title, I had received some information that I was to write another book about the divine feminine. I already had that awareness and I was, as I said, all I can tell you is that in my experience, resistance is futile as they say. Yes. Although the resistance for us who are connected now with our soul cells and so forth is certainly not like becoming a borg but it does not help to resist what your

heart and your soul was telling because it just delays the things and makes you agonize more. It just really is almost like trying to resist the grief process. Grief has to move. It clears you out. It has to move. If it doesn't move, it gets stuck. So anytime we resist, and a friend of mine came up with, instead of resist, use the word allow. Instead of resist,

allow. So that's what I eventually did. And so the title of the book, Life is a Song of Love. And I did, I looked at the title and I went, well, I don't believe that right now. But by the end of the book, I did. So as as I said life is a song of love and we are a world that has been through tremendous trauma over and over and over again we are all grieving and part of the patriarchal control was to get convinced that grief was a disease that you just did these certain things and you move on with your life and you contend to you to be productive and do all of this stuff to make money for everybody else So, and we, through the grieving and more, there's so much beautiful stuff out there now about the grieving process. That if you allow yourself to go with the grief, and because I'm grieving a lot more than my husband's death. I'm grieving lifetimes of stuff.

And then stuff that had happened in my own life, especially around safety as a woman and the kind of things that men who were unconscious were doing to women. Tons of stuff that I never allowed myself to grieve. And it is a part of life and grief allows the love to bloom. It's something I didn't totally understand.

I would write about it, but I, cause you know, I have experienced grief with my parents and so forth, but nothing like the grief I've been going through with this and my heart is opening in ways that I had no idea would open I just you know and stuff that I thought I had healed coming back up again. All of this stuff. And it's a gift,

even though I'm spending a lot of my time just crying. But it's a gift. And when we realize that, then we develop compassion for all of those people who have not allowed themselves to grieve, all of that stuff in their lives, but also for those people who are grieving. And sometimes who keep receiving that message that's still pretty prevalent out there that if you don't treat grief like a disease and you're still in grief then there's something wrong with you and that's changing because the only way the world is going to wake up is if they grieve all the trauma that we're experiencing and are still experiencing with israel and palestine and and the ukrainians and the still experiencing with Israel and Palestine and the

Ukrainians and the Russians and in all of the conflict happening. So true. I mean, I truly, truly believe that everything happens in divine timing. And we're not really good on waiting on divine timing. I mean, i know i'm not terribly patient that's something that i that's the lesson i receive over and over and over and over but i do truly believe that also that everything is perfectly orchestrated for our that there are no mistakes they may feel like it That there are no mistakes. They may feel like it, but there are no mistakes. Once I really, truly felt into that and now believe that,

it's very helpful in trusting what's happening in the world. Yeah. That it is not going to end in us blowing ourselves up. It's not going to end in us going completely backwards again and women being treated like slaves. Know that this is all part of the divine timing and that the earth is definitely ready for this awakening transition. You sounded just like a divine mother in saying that. That's right. What mother wouldn't say that? Everything is going to be okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. I feel so very blessed to have met you and to have you on. Blessed too. Thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. I can't wait to sink into your book. met you and to have you on. Bless to. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait to sink into your book. And as soon as mine is finished, I will be sending you this book. I will love to receive it. Absolutely. I will. For sure.

I've been so fortunate to connect with so many other women like yourself. Just feel like I've been so blessed by connecting with you. You know, what did they say? There's many paths to many wells or there's many paths to the well. Yeah, there are. And every, every single person's journey is unique. And it's also why we can have compassion for them and realize i have to do this over and over again with my daughter is to recognize that she's on her own big journey and there's intersections of truth but i can't do the journey for her nor can she make me do the journey the way she wants me to appear in her journey? You know what I'm saying? Right. Yes.

Absolutely. It was what it was. And now we're transforming that into something else. Yeah. Yeah, I feel that way. I've tried to tell my mom that. I've tried to tell my mom that recently. You know, because sometimes she's like, oh, you know, I wish I would have did this.

And I was like, no, it was all purposeful. We wouldn't be here right now. I wouldn't be where I'm at. I wouldn't, you know, you know, it's all purposeful. It was. We all chose who we wanted for our parents and our brothers and sisters and our children and all that. I mean, a massive amount of synchronicities work together to make all of that happen, including the fact that we still have free will. Because sometimes we read into all of this stuff, you think. Right. That's when you're stuck in the labyrinth somewhere.

Yes. That's the free will going, I'm going to stay stuck here for a while. Right. Yeah. Well, thank you so much.. I'm going to stay stuck here for a while. Right. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. And I hope that we stay in touch. I'm going to do some research on the cosmic egg. I'm not going to do research.

I'm actually just going to put it out there that I need to receive what this cosmic egg is to me. Yeah. Remember, the Orpheic egg is often used as the term for the cosmic egg because Orpheus. And also, I think it would be interesting as you are looking into it, why the snake is going the opposite direction for you. For me, you're right. Thank you. Thank you for putting that out there. And I'm also going to try to find a local labyrinth and I'll let you know if I find one.

Oh, please do. Yeah. I know there's plenty there in Denver. Oh, really? Okay. All right.

I'll go and do some research. You go to my website. You will see a picture. Okay. I was about to ask you. Oh, my God. I can't believe the labyrinth too.

Another. And you can make them seven-fold, five-fold, seven-fold, five-fold. This is like the layers into the inward. How many times it folds in and out. Okay. And sometimes people will consider

spirals to be labyrinths. I mean, they are mandala. Right. The difference is the spiral just does this and goes in yeah i i would be very much interested your reaction to my uh movement on um yes yes in fact i you know i have adhd i'll probably just go right to that chapter and then move around wherever it calls me yeah should I start at the end where you started I have done that before by the way oh well you know I actually one of those people that because I read so much sometimes especially if it's fiction I'll like um I think I'll read the ending to see whether or not

I really finished the book. I've done that for sure. Yeah, I'll skip all this other stuff. No, but thank you. Can you tell everybody where they can find you? My website is embracechildspirit.org. And I have recreated the website. I've always, I've had this website for many, many years, and my ministry has sort of been my spiritual journey has changed with the years, but it's still an apt metaphor for what I'm doing now. I did recreate the website around the book now. So if you want a sort of a quick introduction to the book, you can go to the website. Yeah. And then you can get it anywhere.

Books are sold. Yeah. Barnes and Noble and Amazon for ordering. I've been told that the book is in some independent bookstores, but I don't know. I don't know which ones. Very cool. I know you can ask them, you know, if you, if you have one. I don't know which ones. Very cool. I know you can ask

them, you know, if you, if you have one, you know, to get it. Very cool. Well, thank you so much for all that you're doing and for putting this book out. Yeah. Many blessings to you. Many blessings to you. It's been very enjoyable.