Sense of Soul - Conscious Transformation

Episode Date: July 22, 2022

Today on Sense of Soul Podcast we have Neuroscientist, Fatima Nathan PhD. She is both a spiritual person and a neuroscientist. She covers neuroscience from a materialistic and mainly non-materialistic standpoint.  She is the author of the book "I Am You... And You Are Me" (here), she is the designer and creator of of the Tarot deck, Shades of Gold. She believes that it is important to address such a topic from an Asian woman’s standpoint and highlight the importance of growth, expansion from a soul perspective. Fatima spent years blinded by a 3-dimensional matrix, encompassed in chasing worldly things. Despite achievements, she felt unfulfilled and was constantly in search of a bigger meaning to LIFE. She questioned, and one fine day her eyes opened to the endless possibilities of the Universe.  Her mission is to share essential knowledge with everyone! Encouraging you to take a chance and choose your transformation journey! Connect with Dr. Nathan at: https://www.fmna1808.com/ Follow Fatima’s journey on Social media! IG:  https://www.instagram.com/consciousness1808/ FB:  https://www.facebook.com/Consciousness1808/ Visit Sense of Soul at www.mysenseofsoul.com Join our Sense of Soul Patreon!! Our community of seekers and lightworkers who get exclusive discounts, live events like SOS Sacred Circles, ad free episodes and more. You can also listen to Shanna’s new mini series, about the Goddess Sophia! Sign up today and help support our podcast. As a member of any level you get 50% off Shanna’s Soul Immersion Healing Experience! https://www.patreon.com/senseofsoul

Welcome to the Sense of Soul podcast. We are your hosts, Shanna and Mandy. Grab your coffee, open your mind, heart and soul. It's time to awaken. Today we have with us Fatima Nathan. She is a spiritual person and a neuroscientist. She is the author of the book, I Am You and You Are Me. She is also the designer and creator of the Tarot deck, Shades of Gold, and she seeks to spread her light to the world. She also believes that it is important to address such topics from an Asian woman's standpoint and highlight the importance of growth expansion from a soul's perspective. Mandy's not with us today and we'll miss her, but I am so excited to have Fatima join me from Singapore. Nice to meet you. Hi, nice to

meet you too. So what time is it there in Singapore? It is about 9 30 AM.m on a saturday ah oh my gosh almost exactly opposite because it's almost you're experiencing night now that's right and yeah oh that's amazing well i'm excited to talk to you yes am i i align with a lot of what was on your website and what I've heard you talk about because you know I deep dived recently through the Gnostic Gospels. Yeah. The Pistis Sophia I've been studying it for like the past year and that kind of even just more cracked me open in understanding the different dimensions of our consciousness. Right. It's a very hard concept to like wrap your head around especially when you have to recondition in a different way i mean i have generational thoughts and perspectives especially in my family are very deep deep-rooted catholics

and i had saw that in doing ancestry work that was so very deeply rooted but you know it really was this question that one time somebody asked me and they said how much of what you believe in have you been told to believe in and of that how much you have you actually experienced right And I was like, uh, love. That's true. That's true. That really started me thinking that I really hadn't experienced anything for myself and everything that I believed in was based on faith. But during this whole Pista Sophia thing and researching that, it was such a long journey of putting together allegories, really.

You know, within a story, within a story, within a story. Yeah, yeah. What I did during my awakening that I was led through to meditation without even expectation, including me, I was raised as a very staunch Catholic. My entire family they're based in Malaysia and they've been in Malaysia for like 40 over years and I did have some concepts like going to Sunday school and everything but I always felt it was a requirement and there was so much more along the way as you grow up eventually when you're at the teenage years you tend to fall off from this belief and you're like no at the moment it doesn't suit me it doesn't feel right and through my meditation I actually delved into all the main four religions.

So there's, yeah, there's Buddhism, there's Hinduism what's in the books and take from it, it just tells you one thing. And it's all about forgiveness, love, peace, healing. Yeah. There's no separation either. No, not at all. And at the end of the day, when you truly understand that and practice that for yourself, you do that to everyone without even wondering whether, oh my God, today I met a stranger, but he deserves a smile. He deserves a love, a hug. And what better way to do that? So I go on to practice that from

whoever I live with my house. So Julie is actually my personal assistant, whatever I run, and she connects and liaises with all of y'all so that we'd be able to get the necessary done. And she's actually my really good friend, who's more like a family member to me. So I always start with who's in my house. What better way to start sharing all these things you've learned than practicing with the person right in front of you before you head out and do the rest. And one acceptance is that I was grateful because my family was very accepting and understanding about my process. They were always there. But I guess everyone has to forgive where they can't change and move on.

Yeah. From the past. The past is from experiences you can learn at the present. And the present is to build what you're trying to build for the future. That's right. That's what it's about yeah it's really about nothing else exactly so yeah I have to ask you you know being a neuroscientist someone was talking about you know the fear of God and all this and I said how would there be

a fear of God exactly but God does God doesn't have a brain, right? Because if he did, I could see maybe, you know, then he would have an ego. But wouldn't fear of God, wouldn't that demand of follow me, I'm going to judge. Isn't that all ego that we've created with our brains over experiences? I don't think that God probably has an ego. What do you think about that? So what I would say for that is exactly this. God is has an ego. What do you think about that? So what I would say for that is exactly this. God is forgiveness and love. Why would you fear that? If you fear it, then you already start to realize you have a self-limiting belief in yourself about a lot of things in your own personal life. And that's a reflection on how everything looks like to you.

So when it comes to terms of aspects of neuroscientists, a lot of people who interview me ask me this. And I always tell them this. The mind is to understand by those who can tap into it, the connection between consciousness, which is the mind and the heart. And that's truly it. And science has done a lot to try and prove the best of the best because they try to get more people to practice it as a therapies at places where they treat people but at the end of the day I always say this and I truly do believe this science cannot answer every single question spirituality does that and things, as you would know, are meant to remain a secret by the

keepers who seek it. And that's all of us. That's right. It's not all meant to be figured out. You know, and sometimes I even worry that the wrong people will even be able to tap into the power because they could use it for evil or darkness. I don't remember what the documentary was called, but it was talking about how this, how the marketing started like back in the fifties when we're smoking and they literally, it was all about mind control and all of this stuff. And,

and I just was like, wow, we are a bunch of sheep. So we're unwiring all of these conditions and we're having to really go the consumerism of all of that. Oh, my God. I mean, literally, they have a national day for tacos or for hamburgers. I mean, they have something for everything. But yet we're not honoring just the simple accomplishments or transitions in our life. But yet we're celebrating all of these ridiculous things.

Right. I always say this why would we just go so far to see what science is done we see it every day with politicians all around the world and everything you gain that knowledge and you put it out there there's gonna be a balance between good use and misuse. There is no way. So I always tell people this. At the end of the day, yes, it's unwiring your brain. But in order to unwire your brain, you got to believe that you are not limited to follow what everyone believes in the past. It remains that your idea is to rebuild what you understand, be unique to you, rewire that brain of yours, and start your transformation journey. And no, it doesn't take a day or a year or two years.

It takes years and it's continuous. i've had a gazillion awakenings yeah and with that comes resistance right which helps us grow yeah so when you are awakened you're also very conscious to all around you with nature and and everything. Surroundings, yeah. You know what they would say in a layman's term, everybody becomes more mindful of everything that's happening around them. Why is it happening? It's definitely the next answer that we all would realize if we were more mindful and conscious about our surroundings. So in Singapore, where I am now,

today is extremely hot but the evening or tomorrow it will rain so heavily with thunder and lightning and that's not normal so you know there's a drastic climate change and yeah that's not great yeah Yeah, we had on Dr. Robert Horowitz, who he's a specialist for Lyme disease. And what he said, you know, and I know this for a fact, because we've had ticks here, what he says that because of the climate change, we're having these diseases and viruses and COVID and all these things that can survive in an environment that otherwise it hasn't been able to. I mean, we're literally doing it to ourselves collectively. Yeah. Everything that happens is our mistakes.

There's nobody else to blame. Yes. Understanding that I do have a collective responsibility because I am one with all of this yeah yeah so when you become more conscious when people become more conscious what happens is there were the faults that we are all creating A lot of people say, why would God do this for a natural disaster? Why would God send COVID? Yeah. And I think the statement is, let's figure it out and put, why would man do this?

Yeah. Totally agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. Another realization that I've had this year is that the divine feminine is rising. But do you feel like I do that women have, we've gotten very masculine and we need to embrace the feminine energy and find that balance. I think that it's the change that's going to eventually balance out. And hopefully we embrace the women that we are and the goddess and all of the many different

transitions that a woman goes through and to honor these things how do you feel about this feminine rising yeah so like everyone before they start their journey they're very egotistical in the sense that everything we think about is us us us, us in the wrong way. One of the things was, I was more, I would say, have the tendency to be masculine in the sense, the characteristics of masculine, okay? And as I was awakening in the journey, I truly became, for an entire complete moment feminine and I was showing the characteristics of that like more creativity more nurturing like cooking I love all of that generally I do but then when I encompass the both of understanding of divine feminine and divine masculine through a lot of medications so people say oh the dark night of the soul when you experience one or two oh it's forever

the difference is you learn you don't sit down in it you know the lesson you express the emotion at that time and you move on. Yeah, faster. So from that, I became both. So it's beautiful nature and they are one. Actually, it's one. It just becomes you. Yeah. So that's what I think. Mandy, she had a near-death experience.

And so the book that she read, someone had given her a book after she had that experience. And it was the book by Evan ways, it's like they have a marriage now. I do Reiki and it's undeniable what you actually experience, right? Talking more about experience and beliefs again. Yeah. It's, you know, we are mult-dimensional yeah whether you can prove it or not for myself working with people and what I do and my found to do and I keep on discovering things like I can't prove any of it but I can also tell you through experience I feel like I do have proof because of my own experiences. I have validation often. Like I figured out over the past, maybe five years with like probably over a hundred or so clients that when I would take them into that theta brainwave, because that's when I felt like

they were only receiving and they were rejecting my energy. So after a while, I figured I have to bring him down to this place. This is all just trial and error, right? This isn't something I was trying. This is from experience. So I get him down to this place and then I'm like, now what? Well, after a while, I started to just close my eyes and guide them. And it would start with just a body scan to like relax them. But then all of a sudden, because I'm very visual, I would imagine

the sacred healing space. Right. But what I noticed is that after over time was that I'm just going to use general names, but say, Jenny, every time she came, went to the same place. And then Joe would come, he was going to the same place. It was nothing like Jenny's. And then Dana would come and she would see the same things and have the same guides show up. And I wasn't keeping notes because I'm real bad at soap notes. And so I started to notice this.

And then I was like, wow, not only are we all unique, but I think I'm tapping into their sacred healing spaces. Where they're going to meet guides and angels. Sometimes people have the same guides. Like I have this one girl, every time we go into the space, she's got just like this pagan, like, like summer solstice. Ah, beautiful. Yeah.

You know, it's always something very unique. Then they would start saying to me, all right, Shannon, you got to bring me to my old tree that reminds me of my dad. You know, I'm like, oh, okay. So, you know know this tree now right right some people aren't visual so they're having me bring them through it which why are some people

visual is it just kind of like how some people learn visually yeah so how it works is this some people if you hear it they actually it's everybody has a different way it's just that we are put into groups of whichever way and it's as basic as learning how's the best way they learn as a child most people work with i will develop my own images some people work with saying it out loud so they remember it or work with it and stuff like that. It works better to tap with people in this sense because you're going somewhere else who actually can imagine. Eventually they'll get it and they'll head that way. So you can't force, which you also know, anyone to go that way. And I do agree with you that there's many different routes.

And we are multi dimensional. Okay, so a lot of what I do as well through experience only is this for the past, let's say, four years, I've been doing this and building more and more. And how it works is when I heal someone, it started off with, I don't know I'm doing it. I don't need a special area or whatever the person has to just be around me at first before I started to learn I don't even need to be there yeah right energy has yes yes just start with that so what happens is I realize that whenever I'm doing this I feel like oh my, oh my gosh, why am I so tired? Because I didn't have control over it yet, right? I didn't understand. But as time progressed, I realized that the person was starting to heal very fast. And by the second day, they had completely removed so much as a simple thing, like a really prolonging cough that was irritating them, a really bad gastric that was disturbing them.

But if they didn't continue to work on it by themselves, it was bound to come back. We can only do so much. Like there's got to be something more. So what I started to do was energy work and how I do energy work was at the moment I do it with myself only because I'm still want to learn more about how much I can expand for other people and I realized that I do it through tai chi and yeah and I do it with my eyes closed so I learned balancing and stuff and how you use the energy fields just to focus

not with your mind and you'll still stand and I realized I was in a lot of different realms many of them started here on earth in different states countries and I would be like what's going on nothing yet and within two days believe it or not enough, the news would either come out on CNN or on our local news or we'd hear about it and we'd be like, and I would have said the exact same thing. So you were learning to trust yourself because you didn't know yet where it was coming from and after that it was much easier to accept and I always say I'm learning every day I never stop learning that's why I never have notes I never look back it's like you trust enough your body remembers it because then it's open to give you more you have to keep learning if you just practice practice the same thing and trust yeah it's self-trust yes because I mean the thing is

is you could tell yourself no that was just a coincidence I mean come on and then they get stronger and stronger because when you're mindful right And when you're present, you see it and you see it all day. And you're like, how can this possibly be a coincidence? Yeah. It's not. Yeah. So I always say this is no coincidence in life ever. So when I say I, when things happen, I still happen I still go like oh wow did that just happen

and I'll be like I can accept that yeah well let's talk about synchronicity because yeah sure I mean I feel like synchronicity is one of the coolest things in the world I mean I used to get so freaking excited I would record the whole thing I couldn't wait to tell everybody. Now it happens. So throughout my day, all day, that it's just become part of my guidance and part of my flow of my day every day. And I'm like, okay, cool. That validates everything. Okay. I would be very worried if it stopped. Yeah. So true beetle, I experience it every day. And synchronicity is what happens when you're open, when you trust, right? And you have intuition built and you trust your intuition. So you're guided only by that. happen to you like in what you know is gonna happen avoid that area or you just see like a sign that says that and not only that but you start to be able to know what the person in front of you is gonna say before they said it right just like you said about the news yeah yeah and synchronicity is only actually meant for the person experiencing it. The messages are

in there. You get to decide what you do with it or how you would later put it out to people if you have to. Right. Yeah. So that's how I believe synchronicity is. So I just recently, like I said, going going down that gnostic road that i was going down just to study it and understand it one of the things that i came across was i kept seeing in this hebrew alphabet the bob yeah and then okay of course they only have 22 letters in their alphabet so of course you're going to see bob a lot but it's in yod hey it's in Sophia so what my last name is Bavra so of course the B-A-B is gonna stick out to me B means unification it means you know like bringing together the past you know it's everything I'm going through and I'm like holy shit you know and then I'm like Roz like sun you know the god you

know the god of sun and so I'm just like oh my gosh this is so divine my last name's freaking you know kind of explaining what I'm going through then i find out that my first name meant the um possessor of hidden wisdom which is the piss of sofia i was like oh so i swear to god you know what came to me like the only and actually i didn't ever even put too much thought into it because I just accepted that that is what it is I'm like boy that was so smart of my past life self to put that together for me to divinely be able to discover that when the time was right yeah I did that I did that to identify you to be open to those messages that you've been carrying all this time

from past lives right yeah yeah my middle name is Megala okay and my mom named me that's an Indian yeah so Megala but and I asked my mom why did you name me that? She said, we were sitting on the bed, me and your dad, and we were thinking, what name shall we give her? So she gave it to me based on this. We're not Hindus, but she's from India originally. And she said, we give it based on this goddess whose name was Mani Meghalaya. And she had a pot of gold and it was always filled with wealth but she always wore like mother teresa and she would walk out and all that wealth she just gave

and gave and gave and gave never expecting in return and the pot would never go empty so I was like okay and you named me that and she was like yeah because at that point I didn't understand but growing up I realized that I was built to sustain myself enough in order to start by just giving, not accepting. And so that was one synchronicity. And then the second was both my zodiacs in astrology, in the Indian one and in the Western one is Leo. Okay. Yeah. And I always used to wonder, what is that?

What is that? So I always was someone who was determined and courageous back in the egotistical days I'm still determined and courageous in a much more balanced manner but the link was that when I spend a lot of time reading through what I was reading, I always said, why have I since the age of five always remembered and touched on Egypt? It always stunned me. And I was like, that's amazing. And even when I was going through my awakening, I still read more and more on Egypt. And as I meditated, I always kept seeing the Giza. And I said, there's a connection. And through meditation, you get to see a lot of things. And through someone who I know very well, and she has her own business as well she does past life

progression and after you've finished everything I said now I'm ready she came into my life because I held a transformation event with very nice people who I knew back then who had interviewed me and we still keep in contact and they agreed to do a day each for an hour just to speak on any topic that they want and they were willing to do it for me for free and so I said wow okay I asked her let me do this with you and I'll do the necessary to give you what it is. And through the process, it was really easy to go through it with as little guidance as possible because your mind is already open. You just lead yourself through the journey. It's like to be different. We just have to be open to it and that's when you realize that's when you practice certain things like reiki it's like remembering right remembering

these bits and pieces of yourself throughout time bits and pieces of your soul throughout your evolution and they start like awakening and so this is what i thought. So I said, okay, so I can imagine like my past life. I had to remember at some point again, and maybe I evolved a bunch, right. And I'm picking up in this life, but I had to put myself. However, you know, I mean, I believe sometimes that's not for us even, but I'm just saying, you know, I'm like, this is great. So what can I do for the greater good of the world? Right. Before I die, before I die, before I come back to do this again, to have to rediscover my life. So what can can i do do i do i write it down right do i put it in a book like probably mostly all of the authors of all great historical religious books probably we're doing right yeah for them to come back though and and reclaim their light and start all over yeah and so that's why it's like I think it's so important you know that we do

discover our defined purpose so that we can record in some way or even pass down to your children or however it is yeah leave your legacy of that divinity that you are meant for your destiny. Yeah. So it can be anyone that you pass it on to. So it's great that this information is not to be retained. That's why we all awake. We're supposed to share the information as much as we can before we leave because the spirit never dies the soul never dies but the body is gonna go at some point right accept it believe it or not but it's got his shelf life yeah so every day matters every day matters for you every day matters for what you set out to the world so that's what people say they're like, well, if I, if I know that I'm going to come back, well,

maybe I'll just check out because it's not working good. And then, you know, come back. No, you put yourself divinely here. Believe me, you are not finished. There's so much to do. Right. And I was looking at some of the amazing things that you do. And I just got done for the past year creating a deck and it took me over a year to do oh congrats on that thank you but I haven't done anything with it quite yet so I've only printed out one prototype on it but okay gosh I have a story about every single card because there was so much amazingness around it. And it sounds like your deck was like that too.

And so I was looking at your beautiful deck and reading about it. It's so unique. There's hidden messages, right? It's all divine just like that. So everything is very purposeful. Will you tell me about your amazing deck? It's called shades of gold. Shades of Gold. Well, that reminds me of your middle name too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I always say I associate gold to sun. It's the vibrant color that comes out. It's not a color, It's a ball of fire. And so how I created this deck was such that it took me a good three months to put it all together and complete it. And what I did during that time was I said, it is fine for me to limit myself from things that are not the rest because I know if I spend just this three

months I will complete it and I need that time because I was using each drawing to a meditation so they are all digitally drawn so you were receiving symbols in your meditations and like seeing the picture, you are visualizing this and you're like, this is the card. Okay. And I knew exactly what it's going to look like. So I said, what will I do? And I Googled an image and that would be the answer as to what the figure is supposed to look like, which matches the meditation. And I just draw the whole thing different. And so I did all the sketches and completed the cards. Of course, they hold the standard because I want people also to be able to hold some

keys of the original deck of the right away so i have four cards each one of the things i have were unique message cards these are very personal they are drawn just based on whatever i see and how I put it into perspective. And then there are the chakra cards. So the unique messages was about 10 cards. And it's about how each card, if it's picked up by the reader through intuition, the reader holds the message. Love this. Yeah.

And I had a book. I didn't know how I was going to write the guidebook, but I trusted it. And I wrote the guidebook down. They were all messages based on what I received from the card. I explained a bit about how I got this inspiration. And when people contact me after purchasing the deck, they're like, how does it work? Do we follow the guidebook? Then I said, if you're starting to learn something, then maybe you can learn with the starting part of the cards. And you can use the book as a guide. But at the end of the day, the person is the keeper

of the cards information. With everything, right? Yeah, yeah, I teach my classes that way. I'm like, sure, this is the foundation that has been taught but make it your own that's the magic that's the key that's the key yeah if we're gonna follow everything then there's no breaking from the past there's no breaking from what I wrote you're trying to create your own unique self I may have designed and created the card but I'm not the owner of those cards. Everybody is. That's how I did it. That's exactly how we did ours too.

And I swear to God. That's why I said when I was reading over all of your stuff and how you did your cards and in the name of your book, I am you and you are me. One of the things I always say this to everybody is, look, learn that all that difficulty that you talk about, the process is hard and everything, because a lot of people come to me, normal people, and they say, what you've done is so hard. I tried, I tried, and I failed. And I de-my-failed. I said, that's wrong. Every failure is a road to success. Every failure means you try harder. And it's so difficult because for the first time in your life, you're doing the right thing. If it's not difficult, you won't see heaven at the end of it and I said true I am you and you want me it doesn't matter what we

experience of how different our ways is at the end we're still the same same body same blood everything is the same and same existence of a soul that's waiting to awaken yeah yeah it doesn't matter the sex or the gender of the political party or no right the language you know when you're connected with someone's soul i mean words are just man-made right yeah it is it is everyone tells me oh everyone's speaking a dialect or a language. How are you going to understand? I'd say it's enough. If you knew they were willing to talk to you, you guys will know how to figure it out. It doesn't matter what you're speaking. It just gets translated between two people who are having a conversation.

When I was reading your stuff, I knew your energy and your soul before we got on. I knew I was going to just absolutely love and align with you because I could sense the energy in your words. There was that connection already before we even spoke actual physical words. It's the energy behind it because I could have read these words and somebody else could have wrote them, but I may not have gotten anything out of them. So I was just telling Julie and I said, this is going to be great. We're just going to connect and be able to speak because you're brought with like-minded people when you're on the journey with the same energy levels and the same understanding and yesterday I spent a lot of time going through

your podcast and a lot of time reading everything and I was like wait a minute this is so aligning and I was like this is definitely happening and it's worth it and the way that you guys have a perspective that's so different on everything aligns so much with what I do no judgment nothing everyone shares and you're able to speak to each person based on their situation so that's really amazing and that's why I really was like it's great it's great what you guys do reaching each other and helping me I learned a lot from you as well and you know you also sharing with me everything it's a podcast of conversation by itself that people will be able to listen to and learn that look these are all happening around us why not me like what I co-create with the universe they just bring it because we all trust right yeah it's all about that because I feel like the more I trust myself, my journey, when I trust nature to show me all the things, you know, the podcast to finally bring somebody on that's going to bring me wisdom.

Then everything starts to feel like, yes, yes. Right. Right. You're just getting all of these go signs. Right. All of these. Yeah. It's a line.

Yeah. So people always ask me, how do you put this in normal words? Well, I'll say, let's look at it this way. How everyone would look at it first. Initially, you know, Nike and Adidas. Impossible is nothing for Adidas and Nike. Just do it. Just do that.

Just do it. And know that impossible is nothing for adidas and nike just do it just do that just do it and know that impossible is nothing there's a reason those statements won those brands that's right and surrender the fear right i mean what are you holding on to fear for oh my god it's non-existent it's only yourself i remember if people told me fear i'd'd be like, look, to be honest, when you reach somewhere, you laugh at yourself and realize it's really non-existent. It's nothing that even exists. That feeling does not exist. Right. Yesterday doesn't exist.

Yeah. It's always today. tomorrow who knows I have a plan but just for that day but who knows whether it happens one day at a time so when Julie always asked me so what's gonna happen later today I'm like the day is now and I'll be like, we'll watch as it happens. It's like kind of like if you were to go to a website that has the 404 or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just not there anymore. Yeah.

Yeah. So what are you going to come down with that information and do in the now? Wow. Well, I think you're such a beautiful person. I just love you. I feel like yes love you too i always tell people the most precious thing anyone has is their voice and speaking truth by itself is the power of women if if one does it a million more would do it and then go on to a million more

and then you you realize that there's no distinguishing line between earth and the man they're the same yeah right so yeah it's so beautiful it's so nice to meet you thank you so much for your time for you thank you so much for doing this truly appreciate this it was fun talking to you oh so fun talking to you I I hope that we do this again and I hope that you get to meet Manny yes I do hope so tell Julie we said thank you too that she connected us thank you Julie can you tell everybody where they can get your books and your cards especially because I'm loving those and your website and anything that you want to put out there right now? Yeah, sure.

So first of all, I'd like to thank you. Please do let Mandy. I wish she was able to be with us today as well. But if anyone wants to contact me, they can contact me on fmn4naturea at gmail.com. Additionally, that's my website, which is www.fmna1808.com. And if you want to go to that website and head towards the shop, you'll be able to see where the cards, the book and more stuff is. Yeah. Just for basic content of what I always share for free. I have a YouTube and you can find out more from my Instagram social media, which is consciousness 1808.

That's all. Yes. All amazing stuff. You are just full of wisdom and knowledge like you and mandy yeah and now it's time for break that shit down So I would like to leave into the world what I give people is everything like this is free. Sharing your experiences and helping someone to transform through their journey. It's all what I do for free. And it's not just unique to me. And why it should be free because everyone deserves the

right to experience it. So my message is to everyone is always be forgiveness and love and continue to spread it in the world. Love and light. Love and light. Thank you so much. Thank you. light love and light thank you so much thank you thanks for being with us today we hope you will come back next week if you like what you hear don't forget to rate like and subscribe thank you we rise to lift you up thanks for listening