Sense of Soul - Consciousness the Source of All with Dr Howard Eisenberg

Episode Date: August 14, 2023

Today on Sense of Soul podcast we have Dr. Howard Eisenberg. He has a diverse and accomplished background as a Neuroscientist, Physician, Psychotherapist, Professor, Executive, Author, Management Consultant, Corporate Trainer, Public Speaker, & Executive Coach. With over a half-century of research trying to discover the truer nature of reality and our place in it. He is the founder & C.E.O. of SYNTREK® Inc., and is a con­sult­ing and train­ing spe­cial­ist in per­for­mance enhance­ment & col­lab­o­ra­tive intel­li­gence. He is inter­na­tion­ally noted for his pio­neer­ing exper­tise in Change Management & Innovation.  Because of his painful concern about the accelerating breakdown of our world – the increasing mass insanity & looming existential threats, Howard felt called to share what he has recently discovered about how reality works and the related reasons for our current plight. He’s joining us to share his findings about the underlying explanatory pattern in his book, that serves as a global wake-up call – “Dream it to Do it: The Science & the Magic”. It provides the breakthrough PROOF - scientifically, logically, & experientially, for the ‘primacy of consciousness’ as the underlying ‘Source' of all!  This is a very powerful book by a long-time explorer of the various realms of consciousness. It's a spiritually and scientifically integrated book of revelations. From the ancient wisdom traditions of antiquity to the leading-edge research in quantum mechanics and neuroplasticity. It also explains the reasons, and the solutions, for the history of human conflicts and the rapidly deteriorating ecological crisis. It is a user-friendly manual of initiation into the underlying mysteries of our existence that explains how reality works. Learn more here: https://drhowardeisenberg.com Learn more about Sense of Soul Podcast: https://www.senseofsoulpodcast.com

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monthly circles, and much more. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sense of Soul, we have Dr. Howard Eisenberg. He has a diverse, accomplished background as a neuroscientist, physician, psychotherapist, professor, author, management consultant, corporate trainer, public speaker, and an executive coach. He has spent over a half century of research trying to discover the true nature of reality and our place in it.

He's joining us today to tell us about his book, which serves as a global wake-up call. Dream It to Do It, The, and experimentally for the primacy of consciousness as the underlining source of all. I am so excited about this conversation. So welcome, Dr. Howard Eisenberg. Hey, how are you? Really good. I'm just switching modes. I was just doing psychotherapy with a patient a few minutes ago. Coming back to the here and now. Are you good at that? Like transitioning from one energy to the next? Well, you'll be a good judge of that, won't you? I would imagine you are.

How are you doing? I am good. I really appreciate your interest and this opportunity. I think I shared with you, this is a deep call. It's not my choice. So I have to go with the flow. It's heavy. It is heavy. I know for myself, since I was little,

I've always been one that, I guess I didn't realize it at the time. I wish I would have known that maybe I was carrying the weight of the world unconsciously. Well, unfortunately, I'm carrying it consciously. So, you know, it's hard enough with very serious just everyday life and yeah obviously the changes we're going through in so

many ways in society and the climate just on that level alone it's almost yeah uh you know beyond people's coping ability and arguably it might be sadly but for, it's the world. When I trace back the dots, I can see experiences and choices I made when I was a young child, but you could argue now that it connects in terms of a path. Yeah. One of the things that I thought about, do you know the book, The Boy's Life by Robert R. McCammon? No, I don't. Or the author. Okay. I'm going to read this to you then, because it reminded me of you. Okay. Already? I had to, because it was such a calling for me to read this to you. So I wanted to set my memories down on paper where I can hold them. You know, I do believe in magic. I was born and raised in a magic time in a magic town among magicians. Almost everybody else didn't realize that we lived in that web of magic connected by

silver filaments of chance and circumstance. But I knew it all along. The world was my magic lantern and by its green spirit glow, I saw the past, the present, and into the future. You probably did too. You just don't recall it. See, this is my opinion. We all start out knowing magic. We are born with whirlwinds, forest fires, and comets all inside of us. We are born able to sing to birds and read clouds and see our destiny in the grains of sand. But then we get the magic educated right out of our souls. We get it churched out, spanked out, washed out, combed out. We get it put on the straight and narrow and told to be responsible, told to act our age, told to grow up for God's sake. And, you know, we were told that because the people who were doing the telling were afraid

of their own wildness and youth. And because the magic we knew made them ashamed and sad of what they had allowed to wither within themselves. I'm sorry. It gets me emotional. Thank you. But I've been crying too. Yeah, you've got a resonant chord there.

As we talk, because I want to keep my composure so it's meaningful and not a distraction. But this is very powerful stuff for me. Yeah. Does that remind you of yourself when i read that too it caused me to tear yeah what i do know of you and what i have listened to and i think that it reminds a lot of people of themselves you know that's one of the really nice things i've heard from some readers just spontaneously that are reminding those things from their childhood how they experienced and thought of the world they didn't say it in a way like oh it just brought

back a childish memory but no the opposite way more like it brought it back to life to being more relevant being important to you know to live in and work with so that was that was really something i enjoyed hearing from people. Yeah, I love to just watch kids, right? And just see how free they are. They don't doubt their experiences. They don't question their experiences. They're just free to be in awareness and present. Well, Bible tells us that, right?

You must be as a child again, tend to the kingdom of heaven. Or in Zen, you know, beginner's mind, Zen mind. What were you like as a child? What was I? Were you a magician? Well, you know, I was saying to you as we were starting up today about connecting dots, you know, realizing in hindsight, there were things I was playing with that normal kids don't do and my parents didn't know about or if they did they did not you know sanction such or encourage it so i didn't grow up with magicians in that sense

although you know there were experiences at times with people i can't frame in words that connection like for you and I, I know, we're not working at this. It's just natural. So I really can thank you for this. I also want to, if I can, in our discussion, you can ask me anything,

and I mean that. And just from what you felt called to share with me, you get me. But what I want for people is for called to share with me. You get me. But what I want for people is for them to understand the teachings. It's not about me. In fact, it's really hard to have time these days for me.

I mean, extra time. But I'm already working with another book, and this one's on controlling the ego. Because I think that's what's screwing everything up on so many levels. On so many levels, on so many levels. So it's going to be very practical.

But again, so you can ask me anything, and I still mean that, but I want them to take back a definite understanding of reality, hopefully a good part from what we actually discuss and share, maybe for some in the book. I don't know if you know this, or I shared this with you by the way to show you the level that's being called now it's not my choice so as you may or may not know I'm just shy of 77 in a few more weeks you know arguably I should be retired or into you know comparable semi-retirement because of something I experienced which I guess we'll get into if you want to because that's maybe a good one, how I finally understood how reality works. I mean, that's the bottom line. And in a way that I can explain to others, which I do in the book and in my podcasts, because it has

spiritual context you'd appreciate with sort of a revelation of sorts. People in the more scientific frame might call it an insight. In any case, it was very, very powerful, and everything changed after that. But again, the bottom line from what I'm trying to convey to people is that we're working with literally the wrong model of reality. See, with all of us. And that's why we're in this mess, because our understanding of how the universe works.

Now, I've been studying the Gnostic Gospels for a long time now, so I've been deep into spiritual text and ancient text and all kinds of stuff. The two things that really were coming up for me that have really sink in is one, you know, in the garden. Starts

in the garden, you know, the story of Adam and Eve and choosing to eat from the the tree of knowledge and you know what it's in my chapter one is it there you go perfect and then the other thing is i decided to pick up plato's book you know what else is in chapter one plato's republic yeah like really cave i only wrote two notes and they're right here. One's that and the other's that. So, you know, when we realize, knowing and a realization of who we are and where we are, right, has really been the theme of my year so far. This is something, and I'm glad that you wrote a book to teach this. That's what I find remarkable because it can be a very, very long journey to discovering this because we have so much to shed.

So your second book is even better because it is the ego that gets in the way. And it's critically needed, but I'm so consumed with what I'm doing. And as I said, I do have a tendency at times just to go perhaps off too laterally or too, you know, in detail or repeat. So feel comfortable to rein me in because I'm not a linear thinker. I'm a non-linear thinker. Well, I'm a seeker, so I'm seeking information. So I'll listen. Well, it's obviously blowing my mind, too, which is the resonances, you know, that you're sharing with me that so connect. And when you ever look at chapter one, which I still get to read the book as a book.

And by the way, as an aside, because you may not know this, it's also as an audio book, but not narrated by me. Okay. And many people, you know, have given me a comment over the years that have a pleasant voice and, you know, so do it. I did not want to do it because I didn't want it to seem like it was about me. And the message which you appreciate, my understanding and advice going forward to more wisely deal with their challenges and opportunities, is more a feminine message than a masculine message. I also

didn't want it to be so sort of culturally confined to, you know, I'm in Canada, North America. So I sought out someone who would give a different frame of reference to broaden, hopefully, the appreciation and the awareness in the public, because this is for the world. It's global. I call it a global wake up call. I mean it that way so i chose a british woman professional voice artist former bbc trained news announcer for some reason british came to mind

and i wanted someone to speak authoritatively because it's a serious subject but in a comfortable way to listen to not robotics you know the ai versions that are so at first actually my advertisement because i put a sort of a an addition call to the world was for a male but the second or third reply and sample that came from about 60 people was from a woman who was this this woman i eventually you know took on and I listened to her audition piece, and I really liked it. And I told her at the time, actually, I had advertised,

I was looking for a male announcer. However, I was really impressed by your treatment, and I will keep you in mind. And I had about 60 other males of different ages and maybe even cultural backgrounds audition. And I kept thinking, oh, she's got the voice. So that was very interesting for me. And then they also have connected with, it is a feminine message. Yeah, it is. So it's funny, you know, the circuitous route.

I want to think to share with you back to the call of this because even that was just coming to me. It was contrary to what my thinking mind was planning. Because I felt such an urgency in this once I had that experience, as I said to you, that gave me that revelation of how things work. Then I felt

almost immediately the call that I have to speak out and share it. I had already an awareness of certainly the imminence of global climate change. I already had an awareness that we had extensive chemical pollution throughout the planet. I already had an awareness that it was causing some genetic changes in various species, including the human species. So I knew that because I'm just generally aware,

not just as a doctor, but I read a lot, general science as well. But there was another element to it. It was more like precognition, premonition, foreseeing, and it's still happening and it's pretty horrific. And it's all just happening as I envisioned it. It's, again, so uninvited. And again, apologize if I lose composure here.

This is getting more powerful because the signs of this are becoming so much more obvious. Anyway, I felt an urgency to write this down. It was partly like a channeled experience because there were certain ways of phrasing things, examples, metaphors, that I'd never thought of before. So that even when I subsequently look at my own book, or listen to the narrated audiobook version that come from me, it's weird. Nice, but, you know, weird.

And plus, kind of the personality of me, the voice, the teacher that comes through, is so different from my first book, which was a half century ago, Inner Spaces, Parapsychological Explorations of the Mind. That was an academic voice. This is more from the heart. I knew of some publishers that are in the genre, that's kind of New Age, so I reached out to them directly,

not through agents. I was going for expediency, but in a reputable way as well. And I was told kindly that even if they approved my manuscript, because I asked them this question up front, how long would it take from submitting my manuscript till you have it out to the public? They said two to three years, best case. Now, as you may not know, when you submit a manuscript, even if there's interest, they still often send it back with questions and revisions. Oh, can you give us another sample chapter or rewrite the intro? You know, some things like that. And then they may accept it.

And then it goes into their production schedule. And I realized, no, we don't have time. So I started exploring. I knew nothing about it. The self-publishing space. And I found a company that I thought seemed reputable of what they're really doing, not by customer reviews, but like some actual examples I heard of some of their online presentations and some of the blog write-ups and

so on. They seem to know what they're doing. So I hired them on to help me with the hardware aspect of it and getting it online. And I asked them how long it would take. And they said a year, which is much better than two or three years after the manuscript is accepted. In this case, it's not from start, you know, one year. And I said, that's not good enough. We have to do better. And they said, well, if you do everything like exactly as fast as we can process it at our end, you know, hopefully we can, you know, knock that down a couple of months and in my mind i'm thinking no we have to do better from the day i started the official manuscript to the day it was online and amazon was five months and i typed the whole manuscript myself with one finger

that one and no choice i mean it seems like the younger generation aren't the ones who need it as much because they already have this higher consciousness more naturally. One of the people I also start off with in the beginning is Greta Thunberg. Wow. In my chapter. You know, I have kids from two different generations. And the younger generation, I'm like, where did you come from? They're teaching me.

You know, if Dolores Cannon's theory of her three waves and a time where we would need this assistance, do you believe in that kind of theory? Of star-seated help, of a consciousness from maybe the future or from another place you know it's part of my teaching right and my understanding of how reality works the reality i speak of is the most fundamental and absolute of all realities and when you start talking about the possibility of other alien worlds whether they've seeded us in some way or not,

either in a physical sense or otherwise played with our DNA or whatever, that still doesn't go back to what's the ground of it all. So that's where I'm at. So many people go off in tangents, the spirit guides, nature spirits too, for some people, literally, as you mean, like with Findhorn up in Scotland. And then there's all these very complex systems, whether it's working with your chakras or in the Kabbalistic thing with all that formulaic thinking. The weird part about what I've come to understand,

it's both so much simpler and more profound than all of those things. But if we understand why we're here, why we're in this mess, and you understand why, then you also start learning about how we change it. And in my book, I give not just, how should I say, intellectually conceptual explanation or instructions, I give detailed ones. How to take back control. How to get back on track, how to get back into balance, how to get back into connection.

You know, a lot of people have found my book amazingly information dense, like nothing they've ever seen before. Aside from it being so provocative, it is obviously saying we're living the wrong reality. There's so much, you know, you gave me a couple of things, as you mentioned, interesting enough, points, you know, getting a conversion, you know, Greta, the Place Republic. There's so much in there. I don't know if you realize this is a short book. I don't remember exactly how many it is, 120 or 30 pages. Not because, you know, I didn't have the time and I'm rushing out.

People are so distracted right now for various reasons. Some, they're in denial and don't want to deal with everything, like heads in the sand. Some are just oversaturated, overwhelmed. And some are just, their minds are caught up in these smart modes that make them dumb people as they've always gotten smarter, these theories and all that stuff. So I wanted to chunk it down in a way that would be much more adjustable. One has 10 chapters, but they're all short chapters.

They're all with, from my point of view, powerful and meaningful titles, not just something that's entertaining. For example, the title of my first chapter, as you may or may not know, is that title is Things Are Not As They Seem. So in the very first chapter I deconstruct reality, right out of the gate. And in the second chapter, which gets to my point about the core of all this, is the only thing you can absolutely know. That's the title of it. The only thing, the only thing you can absolutely know.

That's powerful. Yeah. And then at the end, I give again, back to meditation. There's a lot of confusion out there, as you well may know, with meditation. I don't mean in terms of just simply different techniques and gurus and so on. Even people's understanding of what it's like to really work with meditation, of what to expect. So many of my patients who start out, as you would imagine, get frustrated right away, you know, I can't do it. I say, well, it's the nature of our mind to be busy, monkey mind. What you can learn is to not be so caught up in all that drama.

It's not that you quiet your mind as it is, nothing's there. That's not the nature of the mind. We have to have something in a sense to have a mind, to have awareness, which again, I get into my book. But I try to teach people about the inner resources we all have, and all of us with an exception, where we have different levels of awareness that there may be something else there, and different levels of ability to connect with it, let alone be a portal for it. But we all have, I call it, as in the, amphibious beings. Amphibians like frogs and salamanders, they can live on land or water. And two, like dimensions, I use that symbolically.

And so right now, you and I are in this so-called physical, academically I call this consensual reality. This is what Shakespeare calls, we're all players on the stage. At this level. And this goes back to one of the key things I've written in my book. Everything comes from imagination. Everything. So anything we can imagine, anything we can have, create, find.

So aliens, you can find them. Multiverses, parallel universes, you can find them. Time travel, you can find it. Carefuliverses, parallel universes, you can find them. Time travel, you can find it. Careful what you invite into your life, though. You know, things like the Ouija board and so on. You know, with today's technology, we've advanced to this place that actually has really put us back because when I think about how the Native Americans saw the world it was not that long ago either so in a very short amount of time and I mean I have to blame technology really yes we've advanced technology and when I would go back to trying to understand the world I was reading

within the Gnostic gospels, I was like, I felt like in some way they were more advanced. And so here I was time traveling in my mind and my imagination going back. I was surprised. It was a world I hadn't seen before. And I was like, they knew this. And we don't know this.

Well, back when I said smarter phones, dumber people. So, first of all, I look at our Bible as being in code. And one of the things I have, I think, done done in my book too, is decoded the Bible. There's much disagreement, as you may or may not know, about what is the Bible. So not only is, for example, the Catholic Bible different than,

as you may know, the Protestant Bible, or the Mormon Bible, and so on and so on, but it may shock you to know that within Christianity alone, there are over 40,000 denominations in the world of just Christianity, let alone all the wrong practices for what once was known in a wiser way. I go back and I look at what is in common to all of the major religions, what's in common to the indigenous teachings in different parts of the world geographically. And what is in common, in a sense, is what kind of rings through a signal

and the rest is like noise, you know, corruption, distortion. And that's what I mean in part by decoding it, because then it correlates once you understand the Bible. And I quote a number of very powerful New Testament quotations to explain how it so connects. It's not in any way antithetical as with anything science or religion, you know, or like polar opposites or hostile as they regard each other. It's not like that. No, the opposite, but science infused, not contradicted. Now coming back to the other part of it, Mike, as you said, we're kind of in a mess now. Yes, and you blame technology.

You're correct. The population of our world here has no idea the monster they have allowed to be unleashed in just the last several months with AI. Almost suicidal mistake that humankind has allowed, the way they've allowed it. I don't want to go too much into that, but if we just take the other aspects of it, why are we having global climate change? We understand that. Why is our environment so poisoned with chemicals and even microplastics now everywhere in the world, including in the Arctic. Why is the sperm count of men around the world going down? Meaning the ability of the human species to reproduce itself in the world were populated,

maybe in jeopardy, can't be taken for granted. Why are we having so much societal breakdown? Why within even what we considered educated, progressive, stable countries like the United States. Why is it so fractionated now? Vulnerable. Why is it so scary as opposed to feeling secure? What happened to the good times?

What happened to the future is better and better? The Russian war, that level of aggression. There's no obvious good reason that most of us can understand beyond someone's personal ambition. If you want to think in typical terms, which I don't, but of, you know, a devil, Satan, a very interesting and powerful weapon to sort of disrupt all of the good in humanity

would be developing something like this. Smartphones. Because we are more and more connected but disconnected. With some very special exceptions like we're able to enjoy now, fortunately. But for many people, no. It's just distraction. You're out of reality. You're out of the here and now.

It's very superficial. It's often not even authentic, close to it. you're purposely putting in doctored photographs you're purposely putting in false news about your updates i can buy likes i can buy you know people that post and i won't do that but those things exist because some people unfortunately do that and you just don't know even Even reviews as you know can be faked. So there's so much distortion out there and so many people have no idea that they're totally captured by it. People think social media is free. It's not free, it causes your attention. But broadly we have been, as we've forgotten the religious teachings, has been becoming more distracted and enamored, addicted

to working with the world in a more material way, and increasing levels of sophistication of being able to control and modify things in a material way, as the so-called alchemists of old, but with no understanding of the implications, the consequences of what we're doing, and not even generally being concerned about it, as opposed to the indigenous teaching here in Latin America, called the law of seven generations, which was to think out in advance as best they were able to, but to purposely do this as a process. What might the impact be of some of these changes we're considering making for our tribe? If we move our camping grounds, if we go to war with this neighboring tribe, if we relocate, whatever, change what we're seeking to feed on, whatever the reasons might be, but they would think it out.

How do we think it will affect the children of our children and their children and their children? And we do the opposite. We're into short-term thinking, expediency. We're driven more by fear and and greed as I unfortunately see people. And as we get more into fear, as people are, fear is blinding. They're even less able to see more clearly

what needs to be seen and changed and quickly. So we live in a fear-based society. Fear and greed. There's almost still those two strong things. A lot of people, whether they recognize it or not, still greed drives a lot of their decisions.

I look around my neighborhood. I live in a suburban area in Colorado. It's beautiful. It's what everyone would have ideal to raise a family. And then just like, we're all like, what are we doing? We're all running around with our heads cut off to keep up with the Joneses. And we live in these cookie cutter homes that we're all struggling to pay for.

And our kids are living the dreams of society, conditions of the world. And we're all stressed out. We don't even remember half the things we did in a day because we're just like running, running, running. That lifestyle caught up with me. It turned into pain. It turned into mental illness and consciousness. Are you kidding me? To be able to be present and even just have a conversation where I'm listening to you

instead of thinking about what I'm going to say next is something I had to retrain my brain to do. And it took me like a decade. But you did it. But it took me like a decade. But you did it. But it's much of the world. It's almost like I speak a different language than a lot of people. I know, and that's part of why

you saw some emotionals in me too, because this is so important and it's so hard to get people's proper attention. Again, I should be retired, as I say, or semi-retired, say i'm not so this has been very costly financially for me too the money i had to put into producing it the way it is right now and the time i'm devoting to it where i have no income and i have a second book back on ego i want to get out too but as exhausting as it is uh i think if i end up being the only voice, and I pray I'm not,

I have to still do what I do. And a spark can ignite a fire. And, you know, we don't have too many fires out there right now. That's not a good metaphor. Or maybe I should say a lighted candle can light the way in the darkness. Maybe it's a better one. A lantern covered light. But it is a real challenge. Even helping people become self-aware that they're not aware.

I say that to my patients that one of the things to strive for in stress management, personal stress management, I think you'll like this, is for your mind and body to be in the same space at the same time. That's on this level, right? But again, mind and body in the same space at the same time. Another way of saying, you know, in the here and now, but maybe a little more, you know, tangible to keep in mind that way. Yeah. And you know what? That is presence, right?

That is presence. It's presence on this level. On this level. And then if we're on that level, we're also going to be calmer, you know, because we're not carrying stuff that other people carry. We're depressed or angry. And we're not carrying the overwhelming anxiety that we're taking catastrophically. And we're not carrying the overwhelming anxiety,

thinking catastrophically, and we're not overwhelmingly influenced by peers or social media. So it's such a calmer state, thinking is clearer. And when thinking is clearer, in a sense, and when we're less in our own way in terms of ego, you know, it's a neutral at this point, then we're potentially more open to access our inner intuition. Put it in more tangible terms,

wisdom of the heart. I explain in my book, and I hope it makes sense when I talk to you about this plane of reality and another level, the ultimate level. I mean, they are very real. As I used the expression before, we're amphibious beings.

We can exist in either and both dimensions, in and out, so to speak. For some, it doesn't seem like choice. Some of us have learned it can be choice. And that's again part of my teaching, you know, for others to learn. So such understanding, it's actually an experience

and work with it right away. If we become aware, from there, what's the next step after that? Dream it and do it. Yes. Let's do it part. Okay. So everything I said earlier, without exception, everything comes from imagination. And I don't want to make it scary in a way where people are going to think, well, it's all imagination. Nothing I don't want to make it scary

in a way where people are going to think, well, it's all my imagination. Nothing else is real. I'm not speaking to that level just yet. Okay, so all our technologies you were talking about, all right, and even at a more basic level, just machines, if you want to, you know, go back to something that wasn't so high-tech, which

was still industrialization, though. All those things. Airplane, the bicycle, pharmaceutical drugs, iPhone, computers, Internet, all of that came from imagination initially. All of it. And in the book, I actually show an example. Some of the most famous inventors of our modern era even shared openly they would come through through a dream or through psychedelic chemicals it wasn't by doing extensive laboratory experiments even einstein genius that he was he began yeah and einstein though began at 16

imagining writing on a beam of light. That's where it started. Where he learned about mathematics and physics. And yes, Tesla had a deep interest, as you may know, in the Vedas and the ancient teachings of India, the sages. And he had a phenomenally vivid imagination. He could not only imagine inventing some device, he could imagine constructing it in his mind, running it like a simulation

to see how it would operate, and then decide to find a procedure or not. Most people don't know this stuff. That's not how science was taught. So if it all comes from imagination, go back to the how and why. Well, why is it all coming from imagination? And how

is it all coming from imagination? And it's like all the imagination, like common imagination. Yeah, that's what we're getting to. It's not just our level, but where we're individual egos, personalities, characters on the stage.

So at the deeper level, and this does relate to your question, if I can stay on track, we have what we somewhat call, if you want, God consciousness. In the book, I use the term universal mind. I'm increasingly more comfortable with the word just source, capitalized, the source, our source. The source is pure consciousness.

So our sense of God being all-knowing, all-powerful, that's sort of what it means to and being the source of all, but it's both more simple and more complicated. You can't have consciousness, you can't have awareness without something to be aware of. So it's not like God, out of the generosity of goodwill, heart, altruism, created us just to share and let us experience what we experience no wasn't that selfless to speak no and i don't want to show any i'll use the word source more than god because it has so many different connotations to it and i i mean you're respectful and the book is deeply respectful of religious texts so again for consciousness to be conscious, for awareness to be aware, you have to have something to be aware of. When we are bored as humans, come back to a more simple level for a minute, and we have nothing particularly to do at the moment.

We have to wait. We're in a waiting room or something or whatever, or waiting for a program to come on, you know, line on screen, whatever it might be, or waiting to clear a line at the airport. But when we're waiting, again, we're often, as I said, not present, usually not. And so, yeah, we're caught up in the news, and again, our fear and our greed. But also, we daydream partly sort of intentionally to the Lord. So the source consciousness both needs, as I said, something to be aware of and sort of speak i want to overuse a human term it's sort of bored so it needs to dream up not just something else to be aware of but with some unpredictability some randomness so i don't think, for example, people's belief in fate and karma is correct. I mean, if you believe that way, you can make it happen to yourself, so to speak. But do I really believe it is correct, that it is

an enlightening and helpful notion? No, I think it's wrong and somewhat backward in that regard. Okay, so, in a sense, our whole existence ourselves the other people we're aware of in the world the animals the plants uh the inanimate parts of nature you know the sky the sun the moon all of this is dreamed up by source by god, all of it. And going back to Shakespeare's expression, we're all but players on the stage. So there's a truth to that. However, when you understand how reality works,

which is what I'm teaching in this book, you can improvise. You're not stuck in that same play and that same role. Back to your question now, what they're doing. Okay. So if this is all in some ways an incredibly complex dream existence, and yet reality is a dream. So it's not like this is just a dream, you know, and we'll wake up and have reality. No, the deeper reality is a dream so it's not like this is just a dream you know and we'll wake up and have reality

no but the deeper reality is a dream and it's multi-level multi-dimensional and just like with water for example those of us who've had the experience of swimming and perhaps trying to swim underwater and perhaps being comfortable swimming underwater without wearing goggles or snorkel gear and just experiencing nature for a while with eyes open. I've been blessed with that opportunity, some of us. It's almost like that you can do in your mind. You can dive into a deeper level without special protection or drugs.

Because it's always there. We're used to living on the surface. And the model I try to explain of reality in part is that to explain how we can have these two levels and be amphibious beings is the model or metaphor of the waves of an ocean. If I took a photograph of an ocean, not a fixed still photograph, and if I blew it up, I could point out if I was talking to someone, this wave as opposed to that wave, and we

could agree that one of these waves is much higher than some of the other ones, and some are more narrow, some are more wide, perhaps. But if it's not just a fixed photograph, if it's a video or real time and we're at the ocean, the waves come and go, it ebbs and flows. So at a certain point of time and a way of looking at it in an isolated way, it seems that these waves at the top are separate from each other.

And you can say, yeah, they are, and I can see it. But if you have the more expanded view beyond just the tips of the waves, you see they all come from the same source, the same root, the same source. Now tying this into the Bible. When Jesus said, I and the Father are one, but the Father is greater than I, it seems illogical. How can both be true? Well, if Jesus is a big wave, we're one with the ocean source, but the whole source, the whole ocean, is still larger than the one wave. Jesus also said,

We all have that ability. Back to your question on the doing. So one of the things I also teach explicitly in the book in terms of instructions are both the phenomena and the techniques for lucid dreaming, sometimes called dream programming. For most of us, dreams are things we just experience spontaneously, sometimes unpleasant, sometimes perhaps even extremely unpleasant, nightmares, which children have to deal with usually more than adults do,

but even adults still have them, sleep terrors, sleep paralysis. There are adults who have those experiences. And sometimes they're fanciful, just things, excursion on our mind, so to speak. But they're usually just, things just happen. Even though they're based at some point on past experience, something we just read, something we just watched. But it's not something we produce on demand, is my point. And so most of us think that's how it has to be you just can't control your dreams

and the official teaching is that you can't but they are spontaneous there's argument about it's just random stuff that goes on as the brain is metabolizing and adjusting or is it like for you and stuff, now it's really symbolic and deeply meaningful in that way

but in lucid dreaming by contrast you are able to intentionally like Freudian stuff, now it's really symbolic and deeply meaningful in that way. But in lucid dreaming, by contrast, you are able to intentionally modify, change, choose your dream and how you dream. And you can do things that otherwise you could not do. There are cultures like the Senoian Malaysia and the ancient Aboriginal culture

of Australia which still exist. And in Australia, the Aboriginals refer to it as the dream time. And to them, there's other dimension in a sense, where you're really aware you're in the dream and working with the dream. Not just, you know, experiencing it, doing, having a sense of agency. They call this dream time more real. And they are right. Like what you said before, you know, when you look back at some of the older teachings,

it seems they understood better how reality works, our place in it, how to live the good life or a good life. And we lost that. And work together. Yeah. Work together. And that's why I also, I mean, you know, I just gave you some examples within the Bible of how it's so convergent, this understanding.

But I could do that, too, with the Vedas of India. With, you know, the Buddhist texts, the indigenous teachings. So, right. You know, I have to ask you, Howard, because, you know, dreaming is, like, my big thing. I mean, because, and I always wonder wonder, just I definitely have a good imagination. Someone had said to me, I don't know where I heard this, that like there's it's actually a shocking like only maybe like 30 percent of people can actually see what they're thinking. Yes, visualize. Right. Well, I don't know if it's 30%, but it's true.

Not everybody can visualize. Yeah. I think it's much higher than 30 though. I was shocked, you know, and even hearing that it, you know, cause I,

I bought, I'm very visual, you know, and my dreams are very visual. And I, some of the things that have happened in my dreams, one, I wake up sometimes, I don't know which is reality at first.

Yeah. Like. Or which to choose. Yeah. Yes. I actually had this one where I woke up twice and I felt that in between was a break and then I had to go back. But also I'm taught things sometimes in my dreams that Shanna doesn't know those things. Yeah.

And so, where are they coming from? Source. That goes back to something I shared, again, on the real source, for example, to what have you been getting spiritual about it, of all the major scientific inventions, going back to Tesla, as you mentioned correctly, as we had an example of this, it didn't come from them. They opened their minds. They allowed a connection to come through, like, you know, if you want turning on the internet, you know, to shoot in. That's what was happening. The most fundamental inventions were documented to have occurred that way. There's something called the periodic table of elements, which basically is our understanding of the whole chemistry of everything, like how everything's built in the atomic level, so to speak. And the understanding of that arrangement and interrelationships of different elements,

it came to the person who developed this mental health as a dream. He tried figuring it out. He agonized to try and work it out. He could not. And he gave up and had a dream. And in his dream, it was just there, like a revelation. It did not come from him. And he doesn't blame it did, to his credit.

So I always say this because I think it's funny because some of the things that I've received, and then I'll find out, whoa, like, this is a real thing. Like, they wrote about this in ancient texts, and I had a dream about this. You know, something like that. And then I'm like, this is so strange. I mean, I'm nobody. Well, and I say that I'm nobody special, but I know that I'm special. You know, I'm just a mother in a suburban area, you know, podcasting from her room.

You know, I'm not a scientist or. No, but, but you are in a skin suit doing an earthwalk yeah but you know it was just it seemed to me that you know back when you know they sainted people for the things that maybe all of us should be doing yeah you know what we should be doing in fact that sort of expression it's not even so complicated no i mean to begin with it it's recognizing our connection with each other and everything so we're not going to be competing mercilessly let alone purposely wanting to hurt others we're not going to rape our environment. Everything would change just from that alone. That's that recognition.

We all really are ultimately connected and one. And the reason it's such a mess is because we're so distracted away from that truer reality. Do you think intentionally we've been distracted? I mean, it kind of seems like the church had power now the church loses power and now we have technology that's gaining power yeah i call you know what they call modern science and technology scientism yeah that is a religion so one religion replaced another religion based ultimately just on belief, unquestioned belief. Because if people, for example, do research as parapsychologists do in psychic phenomena as I have in my past, many years ago, and my first book was on that subject of parapsychology and psychic phenomena explicitly, they're usually ridiculed by the mainstream scientists, you know, as being into pseudoscience, or they're being naive and

fooled by trickster charlatans. Such a, you know, a rejection, and therefore there's a lot of fear of people to publicly admit, let alone publish a book or do research on it, even publicly admit socially at times in the meetings, that they have an interest and they do find this, you know, something of valid interest. Many have approached me once I'm my next so you know stuck out there um but wouldn't do it themselves and i understand again back to the fear thing um but there's there's you know i try to look intentionally back to the doing uh on this level, for flickers, signs of good things, in such darkness that we have right now around us, and increasing, sadly.

And there are people who previously didn't have any particular interest in even reflecting on questions like I also put out in the introduction of my book. What is reality? Why am I here? What's it all about? Many of us never ever think of those and we're all discouraged both from a religious point of view and scientifically and even entertain such questions, maybe psychiatrically. Don't question it.

Just, you know, fall in step. But I think there are people in just different areas because of the internet. And since the pandemic, one good thing has come out of it. Everything has mixed, you know, aspects to it.

But a lot of people are online and connecting online all over the world. They believe it's not a counter in part the societal trend, unfortunately, again, as we see in the us but

many other places as well uh divisiveness and you know separate nation even for example the uk pulling out of the european union it's not only you know uh in america uh sadly um so that and even the you know the increased uh incidence of racism and prejudice and understanding violence. Just all different signs, you know, a breakdown because of disconnection. So people just have that fundamental understanding, not on faith. And I try to explain in such a way that it will not be on faith, but they'll understand. Plus, I also teach some of the ways you can experience it. And let's go back to some simpler ways.

So first of all, for us human beings on this level, on this stage, what are some ways we can get out of this kind of distraction, trance state? Look each other in the eyes. You know, the old poetical saying, the eyes are the windows of the soul. Something to it. You know, I could say, saying, the eyes are the windows of the soul. Something to it. You know, I could say, again, as I have distinguished different, for me, different levels of reality.

So in this, again, familiar, consensual level, physical levels we're talking right now, the back of the eye tissue, the retinal tissue, actually is brain tissue. So in a way, neurologically, you could partly argue, argue well the brain is kind of closer to you know the eye um but i don't think the brain is at all the source of consciousness that's a whole other you know discussion if you want to have it it's more like it's dreamt up by consciousness so it's a relationship but but not cause and effect of people thinking it would be the other way around well if it was i wouldn't be retraining it for the past 10 years well there is neuroplasticity so we play with that level you know that um just like computer programs can be modified so can the wiring in a sense the connections of the brain cells neurons be modified we call it neuroplasticity so even if you bought

into that model that still could be possible but there's other things you know you do you know what i always tell my kids because you know i i've struggled with adhd especially because i'm so busy right i probably haven't multitasker i'm the half-ass multitasker but whenever my kids are like oh you didn't hear me or I told you this. So we just kind of made a deal. If you have something important to say to me, you need to come make sure that we have eyes. And then, you know, I hear you. Yeah.

And then if we have eye contact, too, and we are communicating with someone, you know, it's just a smile. People used to do that to strangers. Sometimes, you know, you pass them by, you know, or nod your head. You don't say that so much anymore to strangers, right? Oh, you're so right. And as we get more and more mechanized with, you know, automatic checkouts and all these things, and ordering online, we're removing humanity even without the AI part, which, again, is a whole other level of disaster that has not been planned for in terms of thought out what its implications are

and how to deal with it. So we're being less human. And it's so true. Come back to the positive because ultimately my teachings are positive, ultimately. I mean, I am waking people up to the reality of the horrors

of the mess we're in right now. I understand why, but also I get out of it back to the doing, which I very much honor that aspect of it. So, the eye, I say contact when you're out and about is one of the most immediate things you can do

to start helping us connect again. And try to have, I explain in my book about soft eyes versus hard eyes. Try to have open eyes. Try not to be so afraid that someone may look at you and turn the wrong way

and you'll draw attention that's unwanted for whatever reason. You remind me how you've learned so much from your own children. When we're out and about and you see maybe babies in a baby carriage or a stroller,

let's say as pedestrians on you know walking by babies will often instinctively look towards the eyes of strangers and sometimes smile and some strangers it's really funny if you do like a kind of camera thing of this will be looking and noticing the baby's eyes will enjoy it and smile and turn or even smile first and they have this like contact i love those moments yeah but there's a lot of people who'd be like afraid of that like you know it's awkward but if we got more comfortable and realize it connects us on a soul spiritual level or just physically and if i'm going to come back now to the conventional levels i call it we've been taught that the head brain is a source of consciousness,

which again, it does not, and I explain in my book why it is not. There's not even a theory that it could explain how it could be, by the way, when you really look at it. Like it's so not the source of our consciousness, of our mind, but still playing with the physical level. We actually have three brains, and science only, currently medical science and the public as they know it in the West

only recognize one brain, the head brain. We also have a heart brain. We also have a gut brain, the microbiome. But let me just come back to the heart brain because it relates to the doing. Unknown to most people, sadly unknown to most of my medical colleagues even, the heart brain has its own nervous system,

has its own neurons, its own nerve cells, like the brain has, has its own memory system. The heart has more nerves that go up and control brain function than the brain has nerves that go down to control and modify heart. The heart can also secrete the love hormone, oxytocin. The heart is like an intuitive channel, a source. So we came more from the heart. If we had more good-hearted intentions,

if we sought out warm-hearted people, if we sought to be warm-hearted, if we saw the wisdom of the golden rule, of course, do what others have and do what you do, because we're all connected. But even coming back into the conventional level, if we talk physiological and medical terms, the discoverer scientist of the concept of stress,

Dr. Hans Selye, at the end of his life, came to the realization that one of the things that could best help us cope with stress, and these were less stressful times a few decades ago when things seemed normal, the old normal, was to be more concerned and considerate of the needs of others, what he called the ostracic ego. Here's the weird part of it, though.

It seems counterintuitive. If you're stressed out, it doesn't seem obvious to you at all, or even possible, that if you're stressed out it doesn't seem obvious to you at all or even possible that if you take on now the additional task burden responsibility help out someone else in need how that could possibly help you but it does because one is shifting your consciousness is shifting your focus more into like being passively with what you're experiencing feeling overweight or overwhelmed by and into the doing and empowering and you're helping someone else and it's also creating a connection for both of you close to the source so it's not so complicated in a way you know like i mean the challenge for me is we live in such a distracted world people are so fearful people keep wondering

it was a hidden agenda you know like in my cases clearly told you, I still don't want this to be about me. I want to share my teachings. I want to explain them if they're hard to understand. And the book is not an easy read. I didn't design it for easy. I designed it to be accessible. I don't want it to be really accurate and comprehensive. And user-friendly in a way, there, Pete, that isn't just something else you understand, but gives them the tools. And right away. The tools.

That's what we need. We need to fill up our toolbox. My dad died at 64 with not one tool. And why did he die? Because he needed a new heart. He had so much stress and didn't ever have a tool. It's one of the reasons why I do the things I do. Good that you do.

And those go back to choices we make in life. Some people's heart hardens when they lose someone, or even a job, or something just doesn't go well in their life, it hardens them. Even though they may lose the angry God. And it's still the wrong direction. Part of the Buddha's teaching comes in here, the wisdom of

non-attachment, letting go. In mindset, I try to teach my patients both that it's a choice, and the wisdom of non-attachment, letting go. You know, in mindset, I try and teach my patients both that it's a choice and the wisdom of choosing a cup-half-full mindset, as I'm going to call it, as a cup-half-empty one, or a can-do mindset, back to the doing. So I very much strongly believe in that. And although the concepts and examples I give in my book

for some people, starting from scratch, so to speak, may seem woo-woo and pretty far out, almost all of them, as you might imagine, I've personally experienced. And so I know at two levels. I know it experientially and also intellectually. And I don't just know it. I've been able to work with it well i know that we all

can can reach that place we become aware you have to be aware first yes so and that's you know i i playfully have signed my name off in a couple of emails with new people that's just you know awakener i don't know what else to say. I mean, and as, you know, I've said in the blurb of the book, I've written it as a global wake-up call. And I guess the main thing,

wake up. God, wake up. Yeah, desperately. If we do, can we stop some of the things that... We can stop the trajectory, which is hellish, where we we're going and hell is not something as some people thought biblically you experience you know after you die if you've been a bad person no no unfortunately it can be in our so-called present and we're

heading right in that direction very quickly ai i told you, is one of those accelerators beyond people's even imagination. How much is it going to accelerate this in the wrong direction? With the current way that people are working with it, in fact, it's also been so anyone can unfortunately take advantage of it right now for the wrong reasons. But the main challenge, yes, is the awareness. And I think the timing is critical. So if I'm able, in terms of what I'm trying to do, to wake up the world quickly, what is quickly? Months? I don't know that we have years.

I don't even know if we have months, but it's not a long time frame. And to stop this madness coming back to this delusion of separation, get over that right away. Stop competing. Stop exploiting. Learn to cooperate. Choose leaders who are wise,

who are not doing it for their ego, not for power, not for their fringe benefits. It's like servant leadership, going back to the Bible and Jesus. Not having people work for you. No, you're a servant leader. As a leader, you're a servant of the people.

Your job, your role, to do what's best for everyone else, not for yourself. It's the total opposite of the leaders that we have right now in so many ways. In government, in arguably some institutions, in the academic institutions, and in companies. It's not aligned with what it could be aligned with. If we stopped this dependency on this illusion of controlling things and were able to get out of the illusion that technology will solve dependency on this illusion of controlling things and brought up and we're able to get out of the illusion that technology will solve all eventually even global climate change or the you know climate issues we're having

in terms of air quality but the forest fires recently that again is the wrong path and if we stop doing that and we look at things like regenerative agriculture, and we look at how can we cooperate in ways we've never explored before instead of compete. What can diversity of people from different cultures, different races, different age groups, what can they contribute to our broader consciousness and value? Greta Thunberg, if I understand correctly, who I have great appreciation and respect for, was supposedly on the spectrum,

was essentially put in more abstract terms. She did have a period where she got very depressed about the mess adults were making with the environment and the prospects for her when she would grow up and became apparently rather was drawing mute for a while and then she found source she found her voice a voice that was heard around the world she's not even i mean she's from swedish english isn't her first language she spoke in english the world hurt her she mobilized millions of youth around the world to go into the streets so when we have that realization that we tap into a different level it's phenomenally empowering

and it can be quick but we need that awareness that awakening first once you're in that awareness and consciousness you can't walk past someone and not care that they're on the street. You can't look at the smoke. I mean, I can barely see the Rocky Mountains right now. But you can't not see these things. You can't. Well, you know, for you or I, but not for many others. For example, I'm in the Toronto area up here in Canada. And just like a week ago, we had the worst air quality in the entire world, the entire planet, from forest fires in northern Quebec and Ontario.

We used to think of the forest as a wonderful nature resource. And I don't mean to cut down and get wood and pulp paper and all that stuff. No, just beauty of nature and the rawness land of the north and free and all of that and suddenly and we're told this is still at this juncture where we are now the beginning of fire season and i've heard meteorologists say we never again on earth will have a fire-free summer ever again but back to your question, if we make these changes quickly, we can both stop going in the wrong direction. And we're not just going in the wrong direction,

we're hurtling way, way too fast in that direction. And we can do things coming back even to things like forest fires. We can do controlled burns that the indigenous cultures used to know about and respect. We can do more wise for irrigation and for crops that are more nutritious not vanity crops or ones that are just very profitable currently to certain companies we could change everything we totally change the quality of the dream from being a nightmare can we imagine yes i can and i can some people have said to me like how can you do what you're doing?

How could you possibly write a book like that and do these podcasts and say what you say when all this stuff is going on? And you're a rare voice in the wind, so to speak. And I say, because I know from what I've learned, whatever that comes into your imagination, if I can imagine this, and I can, it's possible. And no one can tell me. I don't care what kind of scientist it is or how proficient a philosophy expert they are in logical thinking.

No one can tell me it's impossible. I'm not arguing probabilities here in terms of how possible, but it's possible. You know, one of the metaphors I use in my book, too, again, in that first chapter, it's a pretty loaded chapter, but I told you, there's an unusual amount of information in that book. There really is. It's not padded. It's quite the opposite. So one of the metaphors I use is I learned this with my son when he was around 10 years old.

He was in an extracurricular martial arts class, taekwondo. And I would, you know, show them to and from his class every week, but not be in the class watching him, as was true of most parents at the time, who had busy lives, less busy than that, but busy lives. But then they had a certain point in their course of lessons where they were going to have a demonstration show for the parents. So I did go to that. And I didn't know in advance what they'd be doing i imagine they're doing some

so-called throws and flips and they did some of that but then they did something else which really stuck with me all these years and that's in that first chapter not because of my son but because of the awareness from it and what i want to share other people understand is it's powerful. They took a piece of wood, the instructor held it, you know, in each hand solidly and these kids, they were mostly about my son's age, around 10, with their bare hands were asked to strike the board once and break through it. Now again, these were kids. They don't have strong hands. These are bare hands. This was real wood. It wasn't balsa wood. It wasn't cardboard. Every child there, there were maybe a dozen or so, did it unhesitatingly.

I saw my son after this. I'm a doctor. I looked at his hand. It's like, you know, is it bruised, you know, is it bleeding, does it feel okay, no issue, and I was curious, because I didn't know we were going to do this, and at that point, in a sense, conceptually, I didn't know how they did that, because I thought, first of all, you really hurt your hand, if you had a solid board, and secondly, some of them may not be able to break the board. Just crack it, maybe. But everyone broke it.

So what do they teach you to do? How do they teach you to do that? Tell me they taught them not to hit the board, to strike through and beyond it. So the board represents to me limiting beliefs. They seem so real but it doesn't ever say

have to be a reality back to your doing can you modify it i've done that many times in my life me too i've lived in this one life this one life many lives i've had many careers. I still have some simultaneously going on right now. So I so know. Back to the title of my first chapter. Things are not as they seem, nor do they have to be as they seem. Wow. What an important book to put out right now. Thank you so much, Howard. Thank you for your interest in helping to share this. Wow.

I can imagine a very, very beautiful world. Good. You know, when I saw your website, I had looked through randomly. I'm doing this on my own. This is all new for me. And I saw your website. And I saw your website and I saw your face. Just like you feel calm in part

to share with me what you did when you started. Just felt something special. And it's not something I've experienced, by the way, with any other site. I may have just been, you know,

Googling to search out different sites that are out there. I've been able to enjoy some of my podcasts as opposed to just doing it. And I very much have enjoyed this, like you knew from the beginning, very much so. But I just, I just felt something,

before I knew anything about you, just saw you, visually. And then I just looked I just felt something before I knew anything about you. Just, just saw you visually. And then I just looked into the website and some of the things and even,

I don't know, the typefaces or colors was various things. It just, it felt good. So again, I'm really appreciative of connecting with you too,

not just, you know, having the opportunity. Well, thank you. You know, like you and actually get told that i should think of myself more because many people don't even know the

things that i do because really it's so exciting for me just to provide a space to to share and help people find their light within well maybe we'll do a version of this where I interview you. I'm a friend. It could be good for the ego. There you go. And I definitely would love to have that. Yeah.

I mean. The ego is a good one. I'm already, as you know, just in a natural, resonant way, drawn to you. So if you really want to. No, that'd be so fun. Yeah. I've had a lot of conversations with my ego. So become an expert telling it to sit over there and time out.

Well, the key thing was back to awareness is to recognize we are not our ego. We're not our clothes. Right. We're not this neat suit. Yeah. Oh my gosh, you have been such a blessing to me today. Thank you. I hope I didn't ramble too much. No, no. That's what podcasts are. Rambling. Full purpose. didn't ramble too much and no no that's what podcasts are rambling i have some very conscious listeners who are seeking i sense that from you know yeah yeah they're seekers like me so thank you so much for providing this wisdom tell everybody where they can find your book though though, most importantly. Right now, it's mostly available online. Bookstores can order it from the

distributor, which is IngramSpark, anywhere in the world. It would have to be like a personal private order. But the easiest way for most people would be online with, for example, in the United States, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Canada, Indigo Chapters, and probably internationally, broadly, Amazon. But there may be other online venues I'm not aware of in other parts of the world as well. Amazon Barnes & Noble, Canada Indigo Chapters, and probably internationally broadly Amazon, but there may be other online venues I'm not aware of in other parts of the world as well. So online is the way to get it. And again, the title is Dream It to Do It, the Science and the Magic. And you're the boy with magic. I'm the one who's trying to awaken other people to play with the magic. Yeah, that's right. Thank you so much for answering the wake-up call for the rest of everybody else.

Thank you for hearing me. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for listening to Sense of Soul Podcast, and thanks to our special guests for joining me. If you want more of Sense of Soul, check out my website at www.mysenseofsoul.com where you can work with me one-on-one or help support Sense of Soul Podcast by donating to my coffee fund. Thanks for listening.