Sense of Soul - Discover Your Soul’s Song with SomaEnergetic’s Tuning Forks

Episode Date: May 10, 2025

Today on Sense of Soul I have Chyla Walsh and Coby Cranman, partners in love, life, and sacred service. As stewards of SomaEnergetics—a vibrational healing company rooted in sound and frequency — they are devoted to awakening consciousness and elevating the collective vibration. Chyla is a mother, yoga teacher, and founder of Female Rebels, guiding women into deeper purpose through embodiment and sacred practice. Coby is a lifelong musician and visionary entrepreneur, weaving the healing power of sound into everything he creates. Together, they hold space for a vibrant community of soul-led beings, offering tools, frequencies, and remembrance for this great awakening. Embark on a transformative journey into sound therapy. Whether you're seeking personal growth or expanding your practice, the journey is yours. Whether your looking for Solfeggio Tuning Forks or their Soma Sound Healing Training, at SomaEnergetics, they are passionate about creating tools that resonate with your body, mind, and spirit. They are deeply committed to the quality, precision, and performance of every vibrational tool they craft. Each product is carefully designed and made to support your journey towards healing and balance, without compromise. Let your intuition be the guide into your Sound Healing Journey. SomaEnergetic’s is a Sense of Soul affiliate!!! Highly recommended!! USE CODE: SENSEOFSOUL at checkout! https://somaenergetics.com/?ref=219 www.senseofsoulpodcast.com Sense of Soul is listed on Feedspot as a Top 10 Spiritual Podcast and Number 1 Spiritual Awakening Podcast, and is ranked in the Top 0.5% Globally of podcast around the world by Listener notes. https://podcast.feedspot.com/spiritual_podcasts/ https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/sense-of-soul-shanna-vavra

Hey Soul Seekers, it's Shanna. Journey with me to discover how people around the world awaken to their true sense of soul. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart and soul. Make sure you check out my last episode with David Hulse. He's the founder of Soma Energetics. He suggested that I have on today's guest Kyla Walsh and Kobi Kranman. They are partners in love, life and sacred service. As stewards of the Soma Energetics, a vibrational healing company rooted in sound and frequency. They are devoted to awakening consciousness and elevating the collective vibration. Kyla is a mother, a yoga teacher, and the founder of Female Rebels, guiding women into

deeper purpose through embodiment and sacred practice. Kobi is a lifelong musician and visionary entrepreneur weaving the healing power of sound into everything he creates. And together they hold space for a vibrant community of soul-led beings offering tools, frequencies and remembrance for this great awakening. And they're here today to enlighten all of us. Please welcome Kyla and Cody. Well thanks guys for coming on. I'm super excited to have you both. I had on David Hulse, the founder of your new company, Soma Energetics, and we talked about vibration and frequency,

and he told me about the two of you. And I also recently had on Sigmar Berg, who created the LoveTuner, which is a mindfulness tool of sound that you wear on your neck, that when you tune it, it's 528 hertz. That's awesome. But I love that these things are becoming more widely spoke of.

Now you can just wear it around your neck. I mean, I went as far just recently, I'll show you guys. This isn't something that you usually take around with you, but I got a didgeridoo. Oh, they're so cool. I love that. You know why I love it? Because it reacts with my body, right? Frequency. Yeah. Let's talk about this, Solfegeo. You know, I was sharing with David something that I had fallen on. He's my study with the Gnostic Gospels. And I went back into the Bible trying to make connections to some of the things I was reading. And I discovered the story of King David, you know, as a boy, he played the liar. And,

you know, had he never played the liar, he would have never been King David. I mean, this really was his in. And he had older brothers that would have been more chosen appropriately to go stay with King Saul, but it was because King Saul wanted someone who played the liar. And when he would play it, it would summon these demons and these energies, these negative energies out of him. And so he made him live with him. And so I thought that was interesting. So I was like, what's up with the lyre? So I did some studying and I want a lyre by the way. I don't know why I haven't got one already. But yeah, it is the sulfegio frequencies. Oh, I did not know that.

That is really cool. Right? Interesting. Not new, this is not new. So, you know, I mean, if it's summoning, you know, spirits and negative energies, this is how they described it. God, I did more study on the ly. The liar goes all the way back to some of the most earliest gods in mythology.

You know, like Mercury had one and in the land of Ur, the king had a liar. They knew that there was something special, very special about these frequencies. Wow, that's so cool. Hey, we need a lyre too now. That's all amazing. I want to learn so much more about that. The one thing I did hear about the lyre was that they have, and maybe they had different tunings too, that's possible too, in different eras because that instrument was around for

thousands of years. It was also, I know around Pythagoras time, it was tuned similar to our tunings now with 12 tone equal temperament, which means that's not to get too wordy with it, but when you play a piano, it's an octave, which is a double or a half of a vibration, divided into 12 notes. But it's kind of compromised so that you can play in different keys. So it's not exact math. They kind of fudge the numbers a little bit. So it's close to perfectly harmonized math, but it's a little bit a few hertz off here

and there, which is okay. But when you go back in time to the lyre days, they had it very specifically tuned to a particular scale. So you weren't moving around scales. And so the way the math worked, everything was in much more perfect harmony. It's still gonna be cool. I'm a musician, so I love all the frequencies. I like when things are a little off sometimes because what's happening is it's creating binaural beats. So every time you have something a little out of tune, you have a new vibration that is in between there that's creating these binaural beats. And so your brain

actually hears the two original notes and then it hears a third note which is like a wobble sound. Whatever the speed of that wobble is, affects your brain. So your brain entrains to that wobbly note. And if you have multiple things out of tune, you can have a really complex, like lots of binaural beats happening in a single song or a single chord even. But it's just at a certain point, maybe it can become too much. It could just become too complex or too much noise.

So that's the push pull of music is trying to find that middle spot where we're talking to all the complexity happening with our life and our brain, but somehow maybe soothing it or harmonizing it too. It's like this big conversation that can happen in one song. our life and our brain, but somehow maybe soothing it or harmonizing it too. So it's like kind of like this big conversation that can happen in one song with our nervous system. It's amazing.

You already spoke with David. So, you know, he is such a wealth of information and his wisdom that he has researched and things like that. But I also really love his channel that he has, because he's so connected and he's able to really bring information through in a way that, for me personally, is so nice to digest. And so a lot of the learning that I have with Silphesio is through David. And in the Soma Energetics Phase 1 training, he goes into a lot of this. Everybody knows from Sound of Music, do re mi fa so la ti da. It keeps going. But the

Silphesio from a long time ago and like you're saying with the lyre, so this is after that. So at somewhere they probably pulled from that information. So, it's kind of, that would be an interesting cross point to look into. The chants came into the Roman Catholic Church. And so, it was actually, ut, re, mi, fa, sol, la. And that's actually where our solfeggio, we do six. And that was information that David felt called to keep it to six. And we just actually created an extension set so you can do nine if you look into, you know, OOT and what it was in Latin and we have it on our site because this is all David, but each one

has, you know, information from the Latin translation. I know with the 528, the Mi fork has to do with transformation. So we do hear about it as love, but it's also the transformational solfeggio frequency. I'm very visual, so like the 528 for me is like butterfly energy. So that is transformation, definitely, but what transforms us is love. That is the core of what is going to us transform, obviously, love for ourselves, love for others, love from those who love us. But I like the way that David explains it, that these tones, they were in the Roman Catholic Church, but they were taken at one point, right? I love that you're into the Gnostics because there's wisdom that is beyond what we're really tapping into today that has been here. And I think that's very powerful. That's where the Gnostics come from.

They're not new, although a lot of people are newly hearing of them right now in this timeline and this lifetime, but they're ancient and this wisdom is really kind of being brought back forward. Yeah, so anyway, the Sulpheggio frequencies, I think of them and Kobi was kind of speaking to this. As David says, oftentimes people will find one of the frequencies, if not multiples of them, dissonant. It's not like, oh, I like this. And I think the 528 is very like, oh, I like this. It feels really good. Like butterfly, like look at the butterfly. And I'm a bit too old to, I like that. I'm a vegetable too. I like that. Yeah. Okay, good.

I can see things. I'm like, okay, I'm going with it. So the 528, and you have the Love Tuner. So you know that frequency, same thing. It's kind of like, this feels good. And so I often tell people it's a great starting point to the frequencies. But some of them will jar people, you know, they'll be like, ooh, it's introducing a frequency that they might actually need, but doesn't

feel so good because it's not there right now, and so it might kind of disrupt. You're so right. You know, I wore Moldavite for years. I had no problems with it. There was a time I took it off, and I think it was for like a massage or something, and I didn't put it right back on. When I went to put it back on, like a month later, I couldn't. I mean, like I was ripping it off of me. Like, I mean, it was bad.

It was like, it was so much energy, I just, I couldn't take it. So I was like, okay, well, you've served your purpose, and like, thank you for, you know, being with me, and that I couldn't take it so I was like okay well you've served your purpose and like thank you for you know being with me but I can't wear you anywhere. It's so intense. It wasn't intense though for for me for like two years I wore it like no problem so interesting but I also wanted to ask you I was thinking about when you were talking about, I know that you do yoga and well, you probably both do then, but you know, I love to sometimes chant. That's my, my yoga is more Kirtan yoga

and the Ra Ma Da Sa Se song. There's something about those tones. So you're speaking my language, my lineage of yoga that I kind of came into, it's not what I trained in, but is bhakti, and that's something to be devoted to. And then in my female rebels, which is my other business, we do mantra as part of it. So we do the chanting. And I pull a lot from the bhakti tradition and then also from Kundalini because I really love those mantras. So the Ramadasa, Say So Hung, that is one that I

know from Kundalini. And when we met David and Tim, my connection point was definitely yoga first and foremost and frequency and chakras, but was the chanting. And I would speak to them about that a lot because what you are able to do with your own vocal cords and Jonathan Goldman, he's amazing, he speaks about this a lot with toning and chanting. Your own voice is one of the most powerful healing mechanisms that you have. Just humming is healing and there's studies about what humming does releasing nitric oxide. Humming is so powerful for little babies, right? They love to hear the hum. The vagus nerve.

The vagus nerve. Yes, exactly. And so we take it a little bit deeper and we go into these mantras which are activating different parts of the chakra system and bringing energy usually up, right, into the upper chakras. And so we're allowing some of the more dense energy from childhood, from past life to move upward. And obviously we're allowing some of the more dense energy from childhood, from past life to move upward. And obviously we're using our voice. So this already is in the upper chakras. You're vibrating a lot around your third eye.

The crown is just, I mean, you can feel it. If you tap in when you're chanting, you're like, oh, okay, this is what I'm doing and this is what I'm activating. And this is why it feels so good. So a hundred percent yes. And I say, I think a lot of times people are like, oh, I don't want to do too much or I don't like, do I really need the crystals and the Palo Santo and the yoga? And I'm like, it compounds. It all builds on each other. And so when the forks came into my life, I was like, Ooh, oh, this is like another access point, another way to layer and have like a new story and a new information.

And then the other part of that, there are people that maybe are nervous to chant, maybe they're like, I don't know if I'm doing this right. Maybe they don't have access to their voice. It might take them a little while to get nervous to chant. Maybe they're like, I don't know if I'm doing this right. Maybe they don't have access to their voice. It might take them a little while to get used to it. The thing with the tuning board that's so cool is like, it is foolproof. You know, like you are not going to do this wrong. You activate it. You get your sound.

You get to work it in the field. And then just start to tap into your intuition. So such a nice tool that someone doesn't have to get too lost in the monkey mind. Right. Am I doing it right? Did I say it right? It's like, here's the frequency and it's not wrong. Like you've got it now, just enjoy it and let it move where you go. So yes, totally. So my neck literally was about to just break. I look like a rapper or something as you were talking, because I am so much in agreement with you. You know, I remember I

took the shaman class learning how to journey and drum journey and all that good stuff. And there was a girl in our class that was allergic to herbs. Like it's specifically like sage and stuff like that. And so we couldn't use anything like that. So what we used was sound, you know, we used, well, we specifically used a shaker. But in doing I was curious about that, you know, I was like, you know, sound, I mean, and it was amazing. I've actually tried out with some of my clients before where I've shaked over them instead of like giving them like a protocol of Reiki or something

and their chakras opened, boom, like that. And I was like, wow, what is this? And I'm gonna tell you right now, I really do what you're tuning forks because sometimes I'll take a bolt, not this one necessarily, cause this is like a full moon bolt, but I have a smaller one

that I'll use sometimes over clients. And I noticed that when I'm using it, sometimes it'll stop over certain energy centers, and then it'll keep going. And I, over time, you know, over hundreds of people I'm working on, I realized that this sound was straight up letting me know. Just, this was a tool that I could use, but I was always scared I was gonna drop the freaking thing on my client, which some of these bowls are super heavy.

I haven't done it yet, so thank God. But I love to use it, especially if I'm having an area that's a little stubborn. And so I'll test it with sound to tell me, like, are you open? Are you closed? Are you balanced? It works. Yes.

Wow. That's so cool you do all that. We didn't know coming into the call that you're a practitioner too. This is cool. This is, so it works as like a pendulum. What? Okay. Stop. I want that. What is that? Let's you not drop it on your client too, which is really a plus. So you can read the sound, but also the pendulum motion through the chakras and anywhere.

This is called the soma swivel. Okay, yeah, and I do use a pendulum. And this is so cool. It's made by a great guy, but he and his family make these by hand. They invented them for soma. He was a practitioner and he was like, this is what we need. So these are, you know, hand at someone's coffee table here, you know, in North Carolina. Amazing. Yeah, isn't it? I mean, you know, it's a community. I mean, there's a community of

just amazing people. That's one of the things that really surprises us every day is we wanted something new for our livelihood while we were working on existing businesses that we both have and sold one that I started a long time ago. But while we were working, it was kind of like speaking of butterflies, again, we didn't want to crush the butterfly with some of the things that specifically Kyle was doing with her women's work. It just felt too precious to kind of like, okay, we need, so we need a lot of revenue. Let's, let's, you know, let's do sales first.

You know, it just didn't quite work. So we were looking and we found this business that looked like a, oh, it's a commerce business, it's a tuning fork business. And it related to what we were each doing, but we had no idea the depth to which it related and all the depth that it was just perfect for us. And it was a new art form for us to learn our healing practices. And now we're learning from the community. So we just did a class on Sunday with Tony and Tony is a master teacher with, with Soma for 15 years. And he's just brilliant guy channeling spirit all the time.

You would love him. Yeah. So energetic. And so we were students in the class that we hosted two days ago, learning more about this art form and healing work. You should show her this. Oh yeah. I keep holding this.

You show it off. Cause this is a tiny. The tiny, I always say the little baby tuning fork. It's so cute. Also our 963 is really cute. It's another tiny, but not quite, but these are the angel tuners. And there's three of them in a set, but this one you can get by itself, but this is 4096 Hertz.

And this is clearing. This is a clearing tool. So to me, this has been so monumentally big in my yoga classes because it's great to have Palo Santo, but, and I really like Palo Santo myself. Sage lingers a little too much in terms of people coughing on it. Same thing with incense. I'm like, I learned pretty quick, but even Palo Santo will make some of my students cough. And so I have to like do it way before they come into the room, clear it out. So this is a crystal tuner and you activate it on a crystal.

So this is a quartz crystal. It's beautiful. It's very high pitched. It literally is is angelic. And this is the 4096. So you can run it like out before class, I'll clear myself and I'll run it through my field and I will hear if it stops. If the sound really quickly, you go again, keep clearing and keep making room. I use it to clear my crystals, clear my card decks

that I work with, the Oracle cards and things like that. So I clear the tuning forks after I do a session with somebody or on myself. So anything that you wanna reset, yourself, your tools, your space, this is such a- You should probably use it on me more often. You were saying a bit ago how sometimes there's a dissonance. What do you feel about that?

Because I mean, I've come to the point in my life that I kind of lean into uncomfortable places. I hold chaos rather than running or rejecting. I love fear, right? That's just where I'm at now. And so me, if I was getting something that was like, ew, I probably just now would investigate it. I would go further with it.

I would test the waters. It's interesting. I'm actually learning and Tony spoke to this a little bit for the most part. Let's call it like 70% of the time. I think I would say I welcome it to not for myself. I'm like you. Okay.

So I'm like, lean in. I don't like this. Oh, let's see more why. Let's go behind the curtain. Yes. For clients, depending on where they are in their journey, if something doesn't feel good to them and they're like asking to not hear it, you have other options. And so I do think it's kind of interesting, like, okay, invite them to be okay with the

dissonance. But then we have been learning a lot from our teachers, again, like our community is just teaching us so much that there are some clients where that dissonance is not necessarily something you want to kind of like push the edge on. They don't have to go to a point of being uncomfortable. There's been a few people I know that if they're on the spectrum, Asperger's, specifically just one person I'm thinking of that did not like the frequencies. So my invitation with her was to work with the body tuners, which are behind me.

I'm like, will you run it? Yeah, I will. Here's one too. But yeah, I'll. Okay. Yeah. So I saw a picture of you on your website where you actually were holding it up to your forehead,

to your third eye. Yeah, that was the Ohm tuner. They're weighted. So the weighted, just real quick aside, and then I want to answer this question too. It's so good after you're done. But this is a weighted tuner. So the weighted tuner sends about 80% roughly of the energy through the stem into the body or you know the the energy that is the body you know it's important to keep reminding us all of

that and then when they don't have the weight about 80% of the sound comes out of the tines so it's more it broadcasts bigger into the space, the auric fields, the etheric field, the space, it also goes into the body. But if you're trying to get through the denser energy of the body, you use the one with the weights, they also tend to be lower frequency, which is what Kyla was about to talk about was that the higher frequencies were bothering someone. So. Yeah.

So will you hand me the 528? Yeah. When you said 4,000, I was like, that might be intense for a lot of people. My son who is on the spectrum would not like that. Yes. And see, so for four people in that, you can clear your space before he comes into it, but the crystal tuner always being very mindful

to not have it near the ear. So it's not like a close up auditory experience. You can hear this in the front, from the front of the yoga room to the back. So I don't do this. Yeah. Nice. Because a lot of the tuning forks don't deliver sound quite as far. They're more than working one to one or a couple people in a circle.

But, okay. So the sulfeggios, I'm just speaking specifically to them. So this is the 528. And then the body tuner, which Kobi was explaining has the weight, has been brought down two octaves. So it's still solfeggio, but it's two octaves lower. So this doesn't have the, like the love tuner doesn't have that beautiful higher sound that might not feel good to some people's auditory response. This is like, I always say it's like a bumblebee.

It's like, so it's a hum. It's a humming. And you can work with it. You can place it and have it go on the body, but you can still work. So these are energy tuners. You can place it and have it go on the body, but you can still work. So these are energy tuners. You're working in the energetic fields. These are body tuners. You're working on the matter. Kobi just explained this. You can still use the body tuner in the energetic field.

So you don't have to place it on them if they don't want that. And they're used for both. Right. And one of our teachers was saying also dogs are sometimes sensitive to... They are. The body tuners around them. The cats, they like the higher sound. The horses like the higher sound.

Oh, I bet. Right. Not the dogs because their ears are... I can see that. Those little royal kitty cats. This is a new way for you, you can work with those clients and that you don't have to say, okay, well, there's nothing I can do for you.

You can still work with the dissonance, but in a softer way that they're not gonna be like, and because you don't want them to feel like that, that's not healing for them to be tense. Right, right. And I know some people who hate binaural beats, right? They just, they can't do it. It gives them anxiety. But you know, it's funny when the dog, this little pup, she's got the highest bark ever. It sounds like one of those fake dog barks,

but she makes the bowls in my room all sing. It's crazy. And I'm like, what? Yeah. Like all of them at one time. That's amazing. Maybe she has like the perfect pitch. I've never experienced that with my other dogs, but they've got that really deep, woof, woof, woof. Hers is like, like I said, it's almost like a toy. Well, the animals they know about the healing, you know, they're not in their brain as much, I presume. Like a cat, the humming is healing. The cats heal themselves all the time with the humming. And so when you're sick, they come to comfort you, but they're actually putting the vibration on. There's all these stories about people, the cats coming to

even this specific spot that's wounded, curling up right there and purring all night. And dogs too, they like lay, they know when you have an injury, they lay on it. Yeah. My little dog always knew when I was pregnant, like every time. It was so amazing. Well, this gets into another thing that, so science is, you know, again, catching up and we have incomplete, I think information from the science side about what's happening, but science is now seeing that when someone has a loving, healing energy, they're producing

more photons that we can measure. Those biophotons are affecting the DNA because the DNA is not like a chemical like we were taught in high school. It's actually an energy coil that's like an antenna receptor and transmitter. And based on those photons, the DNA actually restructures the photons and the photons restructure. They're having a conversation. So one of the things that's cool, whether it's bowls or tuning forks or whatever it might be, just two people sitting in a room together and one person giving that loving energy. That's why just sitting at someone's hospital bed is so healing or their bedside. But going even further with that as an intention with healing,

there's more of this stuff that we can now measure scientifically that's being transmitted to the person who's needing it. The instruments just allow a channel for that. So like Reiki, you just use your hands, but you have that sort of technique. The technique kind of gives us a grounding for the healing energy and a channel for it. And you can use tuning forks, you can use bowls, whatever, but it's a way for people to channel that healing energy that is simple. It doesn't have to be complex.

You don't have to have really sophisticated techniques is my point. You can go as simple or as technical or as elaborate as you want in the healing, but it's just showing up as the main part. You know what it reminds me of, Cody? It reminds me of like, and I don't know if you guys both can relate to this, but there's nothing like your mom's sandwich for some reason. Is that not true? So true.

Yeah. As soon as I got pregnant, all I wanted was my mom's food. It is so much love. And especially when they're making food for their kids. There's those photons, right? There's that. Yeah, exactly. But did you want to go back to something about the dissonance? I know you've heard-

I'd love to. I so appreciate you going back to that. So, because as a musician, you know, I call myself a musician. It's an identity, you know, label, but, you know, it's, I'm obsessed with making music. Let's put it that way. I mean, just a quick aside there as I'm on the way, the journey of that, I think it's important to mention because depending on where people are in the music path, it took me a while to understand. It was a night I was playing live at the Kirkwood Ballers Club in Atlanta, Georgia, downtown. And Randy threw the event.

He said, I got off stage. I think I was already intuitively playing with the energy. But until he said this, I never understood. I was in my 20s. He said, Kobe, it's all vibration, man. And I think he just knew I needed to hear that. And it was like such a light bulb. Like, wow, you're right.

It's all vibration. It's not just notes and vibrate. You know, I knew kind of knew he just like really drove it home for me that I was just working with vibration. And then it was a few years after that, I was making a song one night that an experience came back to me as a baby that I was actually cut here. I had a little cyst or something on my throat. And I was, so it's before I remember consciously, it was something I was born with.

I don't know what it was, but they cut my throat. It took something out of it. And I had this experience for the first time consciously as an adult and it was as my son was a baby. It was like I was reliving my life through the raising of him. I was going back over it and as I was playing the keyboard and I was singing, I felt my throat and I said, oh my gosh. For the first time, I kind of remembered the surgery and remembered getting cut and all of that

was as I was singing the song, I kind of like realized I was transmuting that energy of the wound, of the trauma, and I was changing it, kind of getting past it as I was playing the keyboard and singing. And I had been doing that since I was 11 years old playing music, but that was the first time I consciously realized that I was transforming my emotions, my being through music. And it took me a while to kind of like really bring that intention into all the music. I still forget sometimes what I'm doing. I get lost in the mind of it. That journey started then. So now we're here and SoMa has been this way to just really deepen that idea that all you have is this tuning fork.

I can't get fancy with trying to pretend like I can play lead lines on my keyboard really well or whatever kind of ego or mind thing that kind of can get in the way. It's so simple that you're just left with your intention and the tone you're playing. I don't think of these tones as dissonant so much, but I have had the experience with the solfeggio. There's a couple intervals that are like, whoa, it's almost like a big stretch.

How you can feel uncomfortable when you're stretching sometimes, it's good. It's like Kyla said, we don't hear these frequencies. They're not in our music now. There's just no reason why you would hear some of these. Some of them are really close to the A432 or A440 notes. They do line up close and they can create a close binaural beat with those. There's some charts that show you can search solfeggio frequencies as it relates to the A432 or 440 and these notes can be dissonant but they're still relatively pleasing to me anyway. They just sound like notes to me and they have harmonics in them so even when you're playing lower tones if you listen carefully you'll hear higher harmonics. And sometimes you think of as dissonance is really harmonically rich information.

So a distorted guitar tone is actually the more distorted it is, the more harmonically rich it is. So it's actually a massive chord that's being played. So one distorted guitar could be represented in some kind of sacred geometry, if it's visual. So is it like when you're trying to control these frequencies, that's more of what we hear like in music generally, is like a controlled tone. Oh yeah. Where your frequencies, the solfego frequencies and these higher ones, these are not controlled. They are almost free like nature.

Yeah. You can't necessarily control the sound of wind. Yeah. And I like the language pure tone. It's pure. Okay. Pure. There's no other thing that it's becoming or melding into. Like when you're working with music, you can go from one note to the next note. It's kind of like you're bending. Yes, I get it.

Pure tone. And David talks about it's vertical sound versus with the bowl, it's circular sound. So think about it. And Cody what you were describing those off tones, those distorted ones, those are more like that is what you're saying. Well there's several things we're talking about all at once that they all relate. So you have like pure tone is like a pure sine wave, like Kyla was saying. And that would be like,

if I move my hand back and forth really slowly, that's like a one time per second, that'd be a one Hertz pure sine wave. It's smooth versus like a pulse that has movement. So a speaker, if it's playing a low tone, it's moving back and forth slowly, but all the higher stuff, it's also vibrating, it's doing all sorts of crazy energetics. It's playing all those frequent, the small ones, so kind of like a pool of water.

If you had big waves and you throw a small rock in it, there's the little waves on top. Yeah. Well, one sound can be that way where it can be really smooth, or it can have all the little frequencies on top of it. And as we have what we call a distorted sound, it has those more information on top of the fundamental notes. So it's much more complex.

So that's really harmonically rich and it gets so dense and intense that people go, ah, that's dissonant. Yeah, not familiar. And they want to reject it because of that intensity or too much information. And that may be okay. There's nothing wrong with that. It might be that I don't want that level of complexity right now. I don't want to work in my closet and see all the stuff I need to organize in there,

like the old family photos and the glow, you know. That's too much for me right now. I want to be in my simple space. So it's more like what we need at different times, just like throughout the day, they say that food can be healing at one part of the day and it can be destructive at another, like I don't want to drink coffee right, but at bed personally, usually, you know, it's better for me in the morning. Right.

So sound is, is that way too, you know, sometimes and get more used to that and they can open up to the density of it and the different frequencies that they're not used to because it can be uncomfortable. It makes you feel things that you don't want to feel. He's very sensitive to sound and that's something that is really beautiful because of his musician nature. He's been like this since he was a little kid. Our daughter inherited that. He didn't like to listen to music when he was really young, which is really rare. So sometimes he can't even tell me what he's thinking

unless I pause my music. Like he's like, could you please pause that? I can't talk and hear that. I'm in this whole other world. Dissonance. And one last thing on that dissonance thing. Okay, I contemplate this all the time. Like usuallyance. And one last thing on that dissonance thing. Okay. I contemplate this all the time. Like usually the stuff I find I can't stand listening to if I'm like just really

having an adverse reaction to it. It's like the hyper tuned music or the, and I'm not against auto-tune. I'm not one of these like I hate auto-tune, but it's just that when I don't like something, it tends to be that it's hyper-tuned where they're locking their voice into this rigid, the 12-tone scale because the auto-tune is going back to that 12-tone scale that we were talking about where it's already kind of off. And so you're like forcing yourself to be in this kind of off-tone scale.

It's not natural. It's not natural, but it's like the most correct kind of music. It's like the way that they're doing the chords and the sound. And some of it I love, you know, like I don't like this subject matter, but like the weekend is such a, he's got such great melodies and his voice is so, and that's like, you know, new pop music. I think it sounds amazing. I love the way it sounds.

And then I'll play it. There'll be the next song and I go, why I just Why can I just not stand this? I just think it's interesting to note that sometimes the stuff that's most corrected I find the most dissonant and the stuff Yeah, a lot of bendy Ness and like old country music where they're twanging into the note I find it's yeah, you know, like it's like, oh. From the South too there. Okay. Okay. Are you guys familiar with Sean Johnson and the Wild Lotus fan? Yes. Love.

Yeah. So, you know, Sean's from Louisiana as well. He's from New Orleans. He released his last album, Mystery, on my podcast, like two years, three or two, three years ago. Love him. But you know, he had told me one time, I think it might have been in the podcast, but he sent me his album to listen to before he had released it. And I'm singing these songs and I felt very connected to some of them. But I remember him talking to him and saying, I have no idea what I was singing last night, but I just love it and I love to sing it and I want to listen to it over and over and over.

And he said, you know, sometimes when we don't know what we're singing using a different tongue, we can't reject it. Like it's what your body, your soul needs. It means maybe you are love, God is love, you know, whatever. But if you heard that, you may reject it, because we're so in our heads all the time. So if you sing it from another tongue, it's just the vibration. That made so much sense to me.

It really isn't about the words. In fact, I am like the worst when it comes to singing songs. My kids are like, what are you singing? It doesn't say that. And I'm like, oh, I comes to singing songs. My kids are like, what are you singing? It doesn't say that. And I'm like, oh, I've been saying that for years. But it's not about the words. It's about that frequency and how you're resonating with it, isn't it?

It is, yeah. And I have an album in tongues I'm working on along with 10 other albums that I need to finish. But what I found there was the brain was making words that had several meanings at once, whereas our words are just, they're confined to like a desk. Right? What is this desk right now? We're doing this conversation on it's something else.

It's a, this is a whole like channel where we're talking. We have tuning forks on it and electronics and water. So the tongues allow us to get outside of the confines of our words. And then so it's like the words between the words. And so the soffeggio, that's the notes between the notes, but it's uncomfortable because you're in uncharted territory. So when someone's speaking in tongues to you, it would be very disconcerting. You know, and I think there are people that are really brilliant that, unfortunately, in our society or on the streets, because they have that mind that they might come up to you and be creating connections with their words.

And you can either kind of try to be with them in it and not be scared, or you could say, well, you're freaking me out, I got to go. When we're outside of the boxes, we can get freaked out, music can scare us. We just get scared as humans easily, we're skittish. Anything we don't know or we can't explain, we fear it. I'd been working on the Gnostic stuff, learning a little bit about the Hebrew alphabet, studying it, which I had no knowledge of prior. And it

was the Hurtaks, J.J. and Desiree Hurtak, they translated Gnostic Gospels. And one of the first ones, the Pisces Sophia, that I fell into. And they also wrote the keys of Enoch or JJ, her doctor. He's a social scientist, he's amazing. But he and his wife suggested I chant my last name. So my last name is Vav-Ra. It is Chexabakian, it's also Vav, is the six letter of the Hebrew alphabet. And Ra, of course, son of God,

and a lot of people actually add Ra to their names to connect with that Egyptian energy. So they're like, you should be chanting your name. And they have like an entire album of where they chant the names of God, the different names of God. And so I've been chanting my name for years now since they suggested that. And then I ended up finding out that it's also a Sanskrit word that means hidden. Which I was like, wow, but it's so powerful to chant.

But like you were saying, there's something hidden within these sacred sounds. there's something hidden there. There's like a meaning there. There's like how you can connect love, right, to 528. Like what are the other things that are connected to those other frequencies? My connection with the solfeggio came from the chakras. And so that is how we work with them. And so when I think of the translation, and it is on our website, so the Latin translation, what that directly

translates to, and then how that connects to the Silphagio frequencies, which is where I think a lot of other people are getting that information. But I think it's kind of been, as all information is, it's like one person kind of finds it and unlocks it and then it's regurgitated and repurposed. That's everything for the most part. Like everything's coming through and then someone's repeating it in their own way. So when you see what the fegio frequencies relate to, that is where that information is coming from. So like the OOT, which is the red fork. I think it's interesting too, OOT, root, but this is like liberation. And so for me, how I remember it, and I think everyone has to find their own way of kind of like connecting the dots. The root chakra, safety, stability, home, and I think of the root chakra a lot working

with fear. And so liberation, right? And fear, you could also have like the opposite of fear, could be courage, the opposite of, but I liked the sense that this is like liberation. I just say that, you know what came up for me the minute you said liberation it was just like this and I don't know why was Lilith. Lilith she is a goddess she's the first like female liberation if you want to say that was hidden she's a dark mother and I also think of virgin. Yeah. As soon as she said liberation, that was my next thing because actually the word virgin actually means like independent woman. And so I think we can resonate with different things. Yeah, like Virgo energy, right?

That's what the virgin is Virgo. And so a lot of people, they think of perfectionist, right? Because we've regurgitated things sometimes to the point that's all we remember. Are you a Virgo? I have, I'm Virgo rising. Me too. I'm a Virgo? I have, I'm Virgo rising. Me too. I love it.

I'm very grateful for my Virgo rising. I think it keeps me grounded for the most part. Yeah. Okay. Here's what I'm noticing in all of this, like so rich, like we've just talked about so many subjects. And I mean, I'm going back to the Hebrew letters and your name. And I was just talking to my cousin who just moved to Israel and he's from Israel, but he moved back.

It's been a lifelong endeavor for him. It's such an endeavor because he also has epilepsy and so extra intense for him to make that, that courageous move to get there. And he's just loving it so much. I mean, he, I'm like, I'm ready to be there with him. He's like, everything's so inexpensive and the food is all fresh and there's no chemicals and it's just amazing fresh food everywhere and it's spiritual and family values and the way the sun comes up and the birds and it just sounds

lovely, but he was telling me that there's all these, so Avraham, who's the father of the Judeo-Christian Muslim traditions, who was apparently very powerful, but just a very significant for humanity. So his name is actually Av, I'm forgetting now what Golan just taught me, but he taught me that Ra was in it. So, and then Mom is like mother, father, and then there's an anagram to it. So everything is anagrammed and goes back and forth. And then each letter, I was listening, got to listen to your guest with the rabbi and how you were talking about each Hebrew letter, which so I'm mostly of Jewish

tradition and heritage and some Native American too or whatever we want to call it, the original people here and Choctaw and Cherokee. So the connection also, I too want to learn all the depth of each letter, all the meanings, but like Moshe Hashem, Hashem is a word for, is another word for God. And it's an anagram. It's about listening. So, cause Moshe had trouble speaking, but he was a very good listener to God. So that aspect, there's aspect, there's just so much density. And then you're talking about that and we're talking about how the meanings behind each fork and how different people relate to it. I relate to the sound. I don't hear words. I don't hear the meanings in that way. I just feel the frequencies. And like, if I'm working on Kyla, I'm not doing

tunings for others other than just my mom and Kyla so far and the kids a little bit self, but maybe one day. But when I'm working with her, I'm just sort of like feeling her energy and like what she needs and kind of moving things that don't have words or meanings to them. But it's really cool that people, I just can't even remember it. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Once she talks about it, I guess right. Yeah. We all receive differently, right? I always say that, you know, I'm very visual, you know, I wish I could just, you know, hear messages and pass them on and be so amazing, you know, but we all receive differently. You know, they really think that the first language

was sound, like in the word yod-heh-vah-heh, right? That's one of the reasons why I started to research Hebrew alphabet, because I kept seeing the vov and hearing vov. And then you also think about how, and I've heard this in many, many cultures, when something was so sacred, they said you weren't allowed to speak it. You weren't allowed to speak the name of God.

They didn't allow us little minions even to speak of it. Now we're at a time where we're reclaiming that as our right, as part of the divine. That it is okay for us to be in that resonance. You're making me think like it wasn't you were forbidden or you just actually can't do it. You can try but maybe or maybe you would just explode into light if you tried to really sing the full name of God. You would just evaporate into it. That's pretty amazing. That's pretty amazing. That's definitely interesting.

But yeah, I could totally drash with you guys, which is what I love to do with the rabbi. This is a very hard topic for like someone to wrap their head around. And I think that what my goal is in my podcast and for my listeners is that we normalize these things. That we talk about them in a way that your neighbor can understand. Thank you for that and thank you for having that intention. I brought that intention today too. I was like, it doesn't need to be complex because it can feel kind of dense and then someone new coming to that information is like, wait, I'm trying to unpack this and it's too tight.

So just little pieces, little fragments and hearing about it in a way that's like, oh, okay, I can digest that or okay, that resonates with me or oh, like little tidbits. And that's what people are craving. And I do believe that there's a large, very, very large group of people right now that are craving to feel kind of like their invitation to step in and that needs to come from a place that they can relate to even if they haven't done their yoga teacher

training or they haven't been playing music since they were a child. There's people that are, they are, they're craving it, they're wanting to just be a part of it. And so they're waiting for their invitation of something so simple and, you know, like this little tiny, like it's a little baby and it's digestible. And I can do that and I can, I want that. And I'm so grateful that you're doing it in that way.

So thank you for having that intention on your podcast, because I'm sure that's being felt by everyone that's listening. Yeah. Yeah. I could feel that just finally got a chance to listen because I picked Mansi up in Philadelphia to your podcast. And I got that feeling too. I was like, wow, this is just so accessible and finding the commonality in things.

Like I heard you talking with the rabbi again, how the alphabet and the alif bet, right? And you look in Hindu culture, there's some idea that actually one of Abraham's sons or multiple actually kind of went that direction. And another branch of the tree, well, it obviously is, we're all branches of the same tree. But specifically that we could even include the Hindu tradition as part of the fabric of the other traditions that we think of. Yeah, it all goes back to the sound. I think is where we really come together and where we can relate to each other. That's why music is universal. It doesn't matter what language they're singing in. You can feel it. Laughter is universal.

It's a sound that we all understand. Tears, crying is universal. It's sound and yeah, I feel that like we're all kind of connected on those very simple sounds and vibrations. Our system, our brain, everything is just mirrors the cosmos above so below that we're, it's all just a continuum. In the beginning, there was the sound or the word.

Vibrative across. It was a vibration, so movement. So we're basically like a particular vibration that creates our physical form or spiritual form. Our voice is created by these vibrations. So if you take that one step further, we're actually, every one of us is a song. So we're trying to remember what our actual song is so that we can create that out of our life, right? Don't die with your songs still in you. Yeah.

That's Wayne. Yeah. Just sing, sing for yourself, sing for your heart, sing for your children. Sing because it's fun for you. Like you said, I just sing because I like it. We make everything that it has to be something that we can commodify or like perform at some point. And it's like, just do it fun,

like play with the tuning forks and just have fun. That's, that I think is the ultimate way to introduce things into your life and to give yourself that sense of who you really are, which is really playful and is really free and is really joyful. And we see it in our kids. I mean, they're so playful. They're so joyous. They're so free, just for no reason. We're really lucky. And I think we feel really grateful for Tim and David for opening this up. Even a few decades ago, this was much, much more courageous conversation to get out into the public.

It was hard to even have a conversation about matter not being, you know, just chemicals. We're at this time where we have everything at our disposal. I mean, it's up to us to just find the things that do make us feel better and make that choice, but we have to remind each other to not be in the stress and the fear. I certainly need reminding all the time. Me too, especially now, you know, we're in the chaos. And so conversations like this just raise my vibration.

My immune system gets stronger and I become unfuckable. Oh, nice. That's a good one. Especially after a conversation like this with two high vibrational people. And then to share with my listeners, such a beautiful tool to use. Tell everybody where they can find you guys,

where they can listen to the sounds and they could purchase and how you sell them. What does that look like? Well, you can go to somaenergetics.com and we also have our YouTube channel. YouTube is Soma Energetics, Facebook, Soma Energetics, Instagram. But on our website is where you can check out the frequencies.

There's videos that allow you to listen to the sound. That's also where you can purchase. So everything is online and we have some amazing kits and things like that, bundles that allows people to kind of start and get a feel for some of the weighted and some of the unweighted and the crystal tuner. So check that out. That's an easy starting point.

And we're accessible. People can call us, you know, anytime we can talk. We are the ones answering the phones and answering the emails. I think first, like Kylo was saying, like what feels fun? What feels like a fun starting point? What resonates, you know?

Are you a yoga teacher that just wants something to replace the palo santo in the stage and do some clearing? Well, that's the crystal tuner. Are you struggling with chronic stress in your shoulders? Well, maybe an ohm tuner is a really good spot or pain management. It can really help with pain and tension or also just like, okay, I want something before I get on my next meeting. Or you can get, like I said, there's bundles where we have stuff packaged together. If you're a Reiki person, then the whole Solfegeo set.

Especially because we talked about it. This is it's in its bag, but the rainbow. I will say these are my friends. They're really pretty. Solfegeo for whatever reason, they became my friends. I really enjoy working with them to reset my energy anytime I'm meeting These are my friends. They're really pretty. Silpeggio, for whatever reason, they became my friends. I really enjoy working with them to reset my energy anytime I'm needing to.

So I also love this as a starting point. Hey, and you guys also train people in this modality. Yes, yeah, we have. So we're calling them now our legacy trainings because they're actually with David and Tim. And I have our phase one that I mentioned, and that introduces you to the energy vitality technique, which we call EBT.

That's to work with the sulfasio energy tuners. And then you can go up from there, the phase two, which teaches you how to work with the body tuners and advanced technique where you get to scan the body, work specifically on the body. And then phase three is with our DNA and our RNA tuning forks. And so that's like another layer. And so it all kind of builds on itself. But I wanted to say that we just did a training that we're going to be releasing soon, which is the EVT 2.0. And so this is kind of our master teacher has been working with the energy vitality technique with the energy tuners for about two decades almost and some of the new ways that he's worked with it. It incorporates some of our newer forks like the Earth Star fork

that's becoming a little bit more popular. See are evolving. I like that. And I've been seeing that in my work. Yeah. Thank you for bringing that up because that's one of our passions. And we feel one of the reasons Soma called us forward to work with her is because of what we want to build with having more education out there, more trainings, and also just bringing the community together. It's as simple or as deep as, want because David and Tim, they just put so much into these trainings.

They're so just rich with information and technique and they're like six hours long and they have 60 something page manuals. So you will learn so much with each of those trainings. But then if you are more the type that just wants to, there we have some little videos on the site and just, you just want to play with it. Yeah. All you have to do, like you don't have to do the training, but there's a lot of people that really want to do it. But also there's a certification element too. So if you want to actually become certified, there there's a certification element too. So If you want to actually become certified, there's a whole path for that. That's awesome

It's a great addition like if you're already doing, you know energy work In fact, as soon as we get off, I'm gonna go throw this out to my Reiki community Because I think it's really cool It's been a great addition and I love how intentional people are because they want to buy from somebody that the energy is behind that item rather than just on like Amazon or from Timmu or something like that. People like to do the Reiki symbols with the energy centers.

We have a lot of Reiki people that love these energies. Wow, so you would just like activate it and then do the symbol. Oh, wow. That's powerful. You can add them into the sweeping and all of that. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

You just sort of put it in an amplifier. Think of it as like an amplifier of what you're doing and then also the intentions, they travel on the waves that the pronounce being made and furthermore, it grounds the person, calms the vagus nerve and all that, so they're more receptive. Yes. It was such a pleasure meeting you both. Shout out your website just one more time to make sure that I got it in there.

You can check us out on our website, somaenergetics.com. You there. See, I do that. Thank you. You can check us out on our website somaenergetics.com. I do that. Thank you. Such a pleasure. It was so nice to meet you. You're awesome. Thank you for what you're doing in the world and for having us. We're so honored. Yes. Thank you.

Love you both. I could sit here and talk to you for the rest of my life. I swear. You too. Love you too. Thank you so much. Great. Talk to you soon. I could sit here and talk to you for the rest of my life. I swear Thanks for listening to sense of soul podcast and thanks to our special guest if you want more of sense of soul Check out my website at SenseofSoulPodcast.com. It's time to awaken.