Sense of Soul - Exploring the Mysteries

Episode Date: July 20, 2024

Today on Sense of Soul, we have  author David Gaggin. He has a BS in mathematics from St. Lawrence University, a BS in electrical engineering from Penn State University, and a master’s in electrical engineering from Villanova University.He spent seventeen years as a design engineer and technical manager at Boeing, where I was responsible for designing automatic flight control and avionics systems. After Boeing, he spent nine years in the U.S. Government’s Senior Executive Service (SES) with the US Army directing avionics and command and control R&D. During this period I also co-directed joint Army/NASA laboratories at NASA Langley and NASA Ames and was the US Army’s representative and U.S Government lead on the Avionics Committee for NATO’s Advisory Group for Aerospace Research and Development. He then created and was the CEO of Cobham Defense Electronics Systems (CDES) Corp, a subsidiary of Cobham, plc, for 15 years. When he retired CDES had become the world’s leading military microwave subsystem company. After writing The Endless Journey, he created and was the host of The Common Sense Spirituality Show, which ran live for 2 years on W4CY radio and also had a weekly podcast called Aspects of Spirituality.  Today, he joined us to share his new book, Our Eternal Existence: A Metaphysical Perspective of Reality, it takes the many disparate scientific, religious, and metaphysical principles into account and answers the questions: Who are we? Where are we? and Why are we here? In so doing, it provides a much-needed ethical philosophy to guide mankind - and a personal methodology to improve our lives. www.davidgaggon.com Visit Sense of Soul www.senseofsoulpodcast.com

Hello, my soul-seeking friends. It's Shanna. Thank you so much for listening to Sense of Soul podcast. Enlightening conversations with like-minded souls from around the world, sharing their journey of finding their light within, turning pain into purpose, and awakening to their true sense of soul. If you like what you hear, show me some love and rate, like, and subscribe. And consider becoming a Sense of Soul Patreon member, where you will get ad-free episodes, monthly circles, and much more. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Hey, today on Sense of Soul, we have author David Gagin. David received his BA in mathematics and his master's degree in electrical engineering.

He spent 16 years designing and managing flight control systems, avionics, and cockpits for the Boeing company. He then joined the U.S. government's Senior Executive Service, where he spent nine years in various director positions for the U.S. Army and NASA's Electronic Research Laboratories. He was the CEO of Coppin Defense Electronic Systems Corp., a company that founded and grew to the world's leading defense microwave corporation. He was the first employee and at his retirement, he had over 3,500 employees and a million dollars in annual revenue. However, throughout his business career, he spent his spare time seeking questions to answers like, who am I, where am I, and why am I here? He's joining us today to tell us about his newest book, Our Eternal Existence, a metaphysical perspective of reality, where he takes the journey to answer

those questions. Please welcome Mr. David Gaggin. Hi, Shanna. Hi, David. How you doing? I'm doing good. Thank you. Where are you? I'm in Colorado. Where are you at? I am on Sanibel in Florida, a little island off of Fort Myers.

Nice. Well, sometimes nice. Hope you don't get no hurricanes over there. I got beat up real bad a year ago. Real bad. Finally got my house back together only a couple weeks ago yeah it took uh it took a year took over a year to get everything going again i'm very excited to talk to you i listened to you on on somebody else's interview and i saw that early on in your journey you had to run into many lives many masters yeah right

me too that was one of my first ones too he he got a lot of people thinking no question about it yeah it was a very easy read right so it was very easy yeah you know and very and very believable yeah you know he wasn't trying to prove anything he was just trying to figure out what was wrong with what was her name kathy or whatever it was katherine yeah yeah but you know i have it i have you know i feel like my hang up and i think what was so awakening to me is i really came from a very catholic background and i i'll be honest i didn't have the brain of an engineer so i didn't have to get through that. But, you know, tell me your background and, you know, how did you come into this?

Well, you know, it started when I was when I was in high school. My father, he would read all kinds of interesting stuff. He loved to read. And he'd give me things like Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision. And I'd read this, you know, I'm maybe 14, 15. And he said, what do you think of that? And I said, you know, Dad, I really don't know. And then he'd give me another one of his books.

Or he'd give me Aku Aku for Easter Island. And he'd, you know, so he'd go on and on. And he gave me all these books to read. And I thought, gee, what the heck's going on? So then, you know, then I never did figure it out. But then I ended up going to school and, you know, I had to make a living and I did that. But all that time, I, you know, I kept wondering, what's happening? What's the, you know, what's going on in life? So I started reading things like, and he got me started in archaeology and anthropology. So I started reading that.

And then, and then, and then we, you know, I went on and I just started reading and reading and trying to figure out what was going on. And in time, I focused myself down to, you know, who am I, where am I, and why am I here? It's always been a passion of mine. Life's mysteries. You know, for the past, well, three years, I've been reading the Gnostic Gospels. Yeah, I've read those. Have you tried to get into any of the old Hindu texts, like the Bhagavad Gita and Dhammapada, which is more of a Buddhist text and the Vedas and such like that? Very interesting stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. And I've also been recently reading some of the Sumerian texts that they've translated. Fascinating. Fascinating stuff. Absolutely fascinating. Your brain will blow up sometimes. Well, you know, it's funny because, you know, you're seeking, right? And you're searching for things and you find them piecemeal. And then, you know, sometimes it seems like it might be a

good answer. You don't know what the answer is going to be because, you know, you're not trying to do this for anybody else. You don't have a, you know, an end thing in sight. You're just trying to figure out what's going on in life. And sometimes you find things and a piecemeal and some of them seem, well, maybe this isn't all that good. I wonder why I may find something that's not so good out there and then you keep going and then you then you say well wait a minute this this this isn't you know quite the way i i saw it first time so you you you can you know you struggle with these things and and so you really don't know until it starts coming together and it takes a lot of coming together. And nobody can do this for you.

You have to do it yourself. You can't, you know, I write these books and, you know, our eternal existence will point you in a direction to look and to help you find things. But you have to find the answer. You have to, you know, you have to do it yourself. You have to take the journey.

So true. And I almost felt for the past few years, I actually stopped reading other people's stuff because I really, really truly felt like there were so many outside influences that I'd get, you know, screwed up and how I was discerning things because I, you know, so I just had to shut the world out so that I could really truly experience it and have it be my truth, whether it was right or wrong. I don't know, but it was mine. Yeah. Yeah. I understand that completely. It's not an easy journey. And especially if you're brought up heavily in any given religion. And I think Catholicism is one of the toughest ones to work your way through. For me, you know, I was an Episcopalian, you know, and that was an issue.

And of course, science, you know, tells you all kinds of things that aren't true. But they, you know, so you've got to battle through all of that stuff. But it's doable. It's very doable. You just have to commit to it and work your way through it. Sounds like you were open to seek beyond, you know, what our conditioned brains have been taught. I was born to do this. I was born to seek. I talked to the Michael entity who's channeled by Shepard Hoodwin, and I asked him, what life did I have

that was as close to this one and had the most influence on this one. And he said, you and your daughter, interestingly enough, were professors in Hungary around 1500. And your daughter taught math. And today she'd say, you must be kidding. I taught math. And I taught something like sociology. I'm not sure what it was. But he said, you knew that what you were teaching was wrong, but you didn't know what was right. And I came back in this life.

And I surely had more lives in between, and I did. But this life, I came back because the information is more available to us. So you can find out what's going on back in the 1500s. You really, you know, it was really very difficult to understand what was going on. So I, you know, so I was kind of born into it. I've had, you know, I've had other experiences as I went along the way. My wife died six years ago. And that was a lot of things fell into place and such like that changed in

both my life and my family's life. So as you can imagine, so no big early on, I was pointed in this direction. And that was basically how I started out. I love, I love the individual journeys. They're also very unique and purposeful. You know, like I always think to myself, I'm not one of those mediums that can, you know, like connect with your wife while maybe I'd be able to, you know, but I don't try. I feel like my journey is more collective and more like universal and not more, not as individual. So, but, you know, I've, I've known, I noticed this, you know, after talking to, you know, hundreds of people that were also unique with, you know, what we're here for.

And maybe we've already gone through, you know, some of the other things in our past lives. No question about it. Everybody's got a story. And everybody has, you know, a certain plan, a uniqueness about them. And every life is different. And it's interesting. And you're never sure what that life is going to be like. Even though you do a detailed pre-life plan, your soul does anyway, and, you know, lays it out for you. All it's doing is it's saying,

okay, here's what I would like you to experience in this next, in this next life. But it can't control you. No consciousness can control any other consciousness. So we come down here and we forget our life plan. So we come down here and we do our thing. And we have our soul keep nudging us towards our plan. But our soul also says, hey, you know, you will experience what you want to experience, and I will work very hard to make that happen. So a lot of things like synchronicity and such like that, it's not dumb luck. It's my soul working with somebody else's soul, and maybe a lot of souls working together to make things happen. And it's not fate. It's a lot of hard work by the spiritual community that helps us have the life we want. Well, they must be busy on my end. They're busy. They're busy. Over the past few years, I feel like it's just been my higher self

like setting it up. And that's what your soul is. That is your higher self. It's interesting how the personality is created. You know, every personality is different. The soul creates the personality, but every personality is different that it creates. And we have a ego, if you will, and it's not the way we use the term ego, but it's a piece of our consciousness.

And that consciousness is focused on the physical plane. And then you have a subconscious, and obviously the subconscious, which science knows, and most people know, I think it runs our bodies and keeps us operating and alive. But also we have in our subconscious all the other egos that we had from all our past lives. And then you've got your inner self or the soul. And that's really who we are. So every time we come down here, the soul builds a different personality. And what it does is it looks at what it wants to experience. And this is what it's all about. It's not the lessons you learn, it's the experiences that you have. And those experiences teach us the lessons. So what the soul wants to do is it doesn't want

to say, okay, I want you to learn this. It's I want you to experience this, and then we'll add that to all our other experiences, and then we'll see if we can figure out what the heck's going on. So what the soul does is it biases the personality. So you end up having a perspective that is different from any of the other personalities that have come before you that the soul has created. So, you know, for example, I like to use the example where, you know, we right now, you know, conservatives and liberals are supposed to be, you know, we're, you know, opposite, right? And, you know, and everybody thinks that their view is exactly right. Well, you know, you, if you're a conservative now, you were either a liberal last time, or you will be a liberal next time, and vice versa. There is no right, there is no wrong.

It's just how the soul wants to experience things in this particular life. I do believe in contracts and soul families too. What are your theories on that? Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. We do have, we make a, as I said, the soul creates a pre-life plan. And then what you do is you say, okay, who am I going to work with? So the soul goes around and tries to figure out who wants to work with me? Who wants to be my parents on this thing? And who wants to be my spouse? And who wants to be my child?

And who wants to be my friend? And who wants to be my child and who wants to be my friend and who wants to be my antagonists? You know, because we, you know, our antagonist may well be our best friend, you know, in the spiritual world. And the antagonist may say, yeah, I'll come down and be the jerk in your life because that will do me good. I will learn things. And so forgive and forget, I say, you know, when, you know, when things don't go quite as well as you'd like them. But yeah, I don't think there's any question about it. And we continue to work with many of the same, the same souls, various personalities on these souls, life after life after life, and which is one of the reasons that we can't, we can't remember and we don't want to remember because

you know if if your child was your mother in the last life you know how you're going to deal with that you know so well i think she was actually in our she could well be uh but it's very difficult to deal with if you if you have a different relationship with these people but you're i wouldn't be surprised i wouldn't be at all surprised. It's real funny because my youngest, I have four kids, 26 to 11. And my youngest child, my oldest daughter and I, I mean, from a very young age of hers, we said, my God, it's weird. She mothers us. I mean, and she still does. There's just this

sense and my oldest daughter and I both get it, but she's also the first person in my life when she was four that ever sent me in the direction of really truly researching past lives because she told me that one time she was an old man named John Williamson. You know, does she still remember it? No, she's 11 now. What she does have though, this is, so she told me that she was from New York. She told us from New York and we actually kind of laughed it off at first, but then she was giving more details.

But what was interesting is even today, she still has a love for New York and wants to go there, but we've never been there. We have no family there. And I've even heard her tell her friend, City Park, isn't it so beautiful? Or not City Park. What's it called? The park there. Central Park. Central Park. And I turned around and I said, and this was last year. or not city park what's it called uh the park there central park central park and i turned

around i said and this was last year i said how do you know that it's so beautiful we've not been there you know but she's mentioned stuff over the years and you know really there's no explanation there's something in her even that she's unaware of. Ian Stevenson, you've probably read him. I haven't. Okay. He's very interesting. He's done a huge amount of work on this. And his book, he did this, he was the head of the psychology department at the University of Virginia. And his book was something like where biology and reincarnation meet. And he did a lot of studies on small children that remembered their past lives. And most of them were in countries that believe in reincarnation. And the kids would remember the families that they lived with, the house and such.

And this is when they were small, like three, four years old, and they'd be bugging their parents to take them. And very often, they would be towns that were fairly close to where they were living. So the parents would finally, to get the kid off their back, take them over there. And once the kid got into the town, would recognize where to go, recognize the streets, take them to a house, go into the house, knock on the door, go into the house. The kid would know everything about the house. The kid would know who the people were, where everything was. And eventually the people that live in the house would say, hey, you know, we had a father or a mother or whoever died a few months before your child was born.

And therefore, we think that this is the reincarnated. And what happens is, you know, if you're going to come back, it's unusual that you would come back that quick. And generally you don't. You need to do a lot more planning and such like that. But if you have a burning desire to come back, if there is something that's left undone for you, whether it's a karmic ribbon or whether it's taking care of somebody or whatever. You can come back, and some people do. But he found that every one of these children forgot, by the time they were teenagers, almost all of them had forgotten the experience. And by the time they were done the teenage years, not one of them would remember. So it slowly went away in their mind. Now the relationships, you know, if they

went to the family, the relationship would stay the rest of their life. But the memories of the previous life would have gone. She liked classical music from a young age. She still does have talents and she had more of a belief system when it came to Christianity than I had ever actually taught her. I mean, there was one point I taught Sunday school and yes, we were very deeply rooted Christian, but by the time she came around, I was more open and was not really practicing a religion per se. And she would often say stuff and still does. She believes in prayer and has all these things. And I'm like, where did you get this from?

Yeah, right. No, she sounds like an old soul that has showed up in your life. Interesting. How about your older kids? They have a similar type of insight? Definitely my daughter. She's a Pisces. She was born on 222 99 at 555. Okay. Yeah. She's definitely in sync with that, but she would rather be a normal person. I have a child. At least now. Yeah.

For now, but she can't get away from it. She knows, you know, that she's very, you know, intuitive. I have a son who's on the spectrum.

And then I have a son who, yeah, he's working his way in life trying to figure it out. So I think he thinks that he believes in all of it, but he also wants to know. He's also questioned me before. Why did I teach them so much about being a Christian before and having that be so important? And then now I'm switching it up on him. And I said, well, and it is unfair. I chose his belief system before I was born. Yeah.

Well, you did, but he'll turn into his own self. And we all start out with certain biases. And it's up to us to work through them and decide what's right and what's wrong. So there's no harm done. It's just, you know, he's got to learn to deal with it. And he will, you know, he'll grow up. We all grow up. What's interesting is, you know, he's got to learn to deal with it. And he will. You know, he'll grow up. We all grow up. What's interesting is, you know, I've had several past life regressions. And he is the only one of my children that was in one of them. Oh, is that right? Mm-hmm.

So none of your other children were in any of your previous lives? Not that I've, well, I'm sure that they were. Okay. Just on the particular life that you looked at. Yeah. Did you have a contract with them and with any of your kids in this life or don't you know? I would say that I absolutely do. Because my youngest daughter, I know that I have a contract. I know I have a contract with her dad. I've known him since second grade. He was my first kiss. Okay. My son, he was on the spectrum. I mean, anybody that has a child or a sibling who is challenged in any way is an absolute blessing in your life because i mean there's

nothing more closer to an angel on earth they have very little ego yeah yeah it's uh you know you chose you choose that and that was the experience that that he chose for this life. And you never know why. And he probably won't know why until he dies. But that's the experience that he wants to have. You know, a fairly advanced being. Because not anybody will choose that, you know, choose that type of difficult situation. You know, David, there's a really amazing woman I met years ago.

Her name's Heidi Rome, and she wrote a book about her nonverbal child who's on the spectrum. The doctors told him he had the brain of a five-month-old. And so they treated him as such until technology came around and he could learn how to use the text on the iPad. And this boy not only did not have the brain of a five-month-old, but knew universal truths. I mean, wise beyond. And she asked him one time, you know, is this life harder than you thought it would be? And he said, it's just longer than I thought it would be. But he even told her, I chose you. Yeah, that's highly likely.

And she chose him. A situation like that, it wouldn't be a one-way street. The parent would have chosen the child before, you know, before either one of them were born. Well, I definitely feel like my son has been a blessing for all of my children, you know. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Compassionate people, you know, because of that. Well, this is a hard life, you know, and, you know, we are considered the, you know, because of that. Well, this is a hard life, you know, and, you know, we are

considered the, you know, most of the angels consider us valiant crusaders because, except for the archangels who have probably already had had a life, most of the angels aren't sure that they want to dip their toe into this water. And they're here, they're working with us, they're supporting us. But this is a very difficult place to live. And I'm not just talking about Earth, although I think Earth is one of the most difficult. The physical field is a very difficult place to exist. And we do it because we want to take a shortcut. We're trying to evolve and we want to take a shortcut and we can learn so much in such a short period of time, but it's a difficult task to do it. So the more evolved you are, the more interesting your life and your existence can be.

So we've said, all right, we're going to give this a try. And we've been doing it for a long time. And, you know, and we'll do it for a while. And then we'll say, hey, maybe, maybe I'll try something else. Maybe I'll go run a star or maybe I'll do something else. So you can do other things. But this is a very difficult period for all of us. And because there's so much that we learn and learning is, you know, it's not an easy task. Right. There's always challenge with that. Always challenge with it. My thoughts when I first picked up the Bible and read it with new eyes, thinking angels are aliens. The ones in the Bible probably are.

I'm sure you sound like that. I think, yes, the Bible has, if you look at, you know, you're reading the, you know, some of the old Sumerian texts and what you'll find is in those old texts, basically the book of Genesis is written in those texts. And they told it differently. They said, you know, they didn't use God with a capital G, they used the gods, which were plural, with a small g. And so, you know, there was obviously somebody that, you know, supported them. Sitchin, I think, does a nice job on, you know,

on trying to, you know, analyze all of that stuff. You know, I asked Michael Ennedy once, I said, how old are the pyramids? And he said, you know, he says, you know, it's not as easy as it sounds, David. It sounds like an easy question, but it's not quite that easy because of time and so on and so forth. But he said they were built about 17,000 years ago. And I said, who built them? there was another ET type of race that supported and provided the technology to have them built.

So yes, I think that's absolutely right. I think a lot of the Bible talks about ETs. ETs have been very strong in our past. They're here now. You want my personal opinion. I think they're the reason that the government won't talk about them. I think they tell the government, don't talk about it. We don't want to come down. I think they're scared to death of us. And they're scared. It'd be like you wanting to say, well, I think I'll go live with a pride of lions. And you wouldn't because you'd be scared to death of the lions. You could kill the lions if you wanted, but that's the last thing you want. But you also don't want to live with them.

Well, I don't think the ETs want to live with us because I don't think they trust us as far as they can throw us. I think they're trying to evolve us and help us and study us along the way. But and they're certainly not hostile to us. And in fact, I think we're if you could argue that we were some of their children. So, you know, it's an interesting situation that we find ourselves in. So another angel that, and correct me if I'm wrong was is seth seth is not an angel no oh he's not seth is a uh he's a uh causal entity you know we have like i've been setting like seth as in adam's son seth totally different seth the universal consciousness or the tower god if you want uh created uh he creates universes

one of the things he does and they do and they created they have they created this universe which is based on seven and it's a and and we have the seven fields of creation and and the seven fields of creation one of and the seven fields of creation. One of them is the physical field, which is what we're in right now. Then there's the astral field, which is where we go when we die. And we kind of go back and forth between the two.

When we're done with going, having a, uh, uh, reincarnating on in the physical world, uh, we get together, uh, as a group and and and we move on to the

causal field and then and then there's the akashic field which is a little bit different we don't go there that's all about the records and then there's the mental the messianic and the buddhaic and then we end up going back to the to the towel and deciding if we want to do it again or or whatever. Seth is is part of the entity. He is. It's basically an entity of a thousand souls that exists on the in the causal field. And Michael is the same way, the entity Michael. And they just use the name of the last life of their group of 1,000, the name of that individual in their last life. That's the name they take. So when you talk to them, you don't know which one you're talking to but it doesn't make any difference because they all listen they all contribute and they yeah and they answer you they

answer questions for you they're very they're very very interesting very very interesting but they've been on the uh you know in the in the earth's plane earth's field uh and they've experienced that so they have that experience in the astral. And they've all had, you know, each one, we have what is known as a physical cycle. So we go back and forth and reincarnating until we're done that. And then we cycle through the other fields of creation. And that's considered a grand cycle. So they've all had like four or five grand cycles. I think on average, they've had like five and a half grand cycle. So they've all had like four or five grand cycles. I think on average, they've had like five and a half grand cycles. I believe that that was what Michael said. But anyway, a lot of the

people that I talk to and interface with have had 10 grand cycles. I'm on my 11th. My daughter is doing her 16th. My granddaughter, she used me. All the rest of my family is doing their 11th, it turns out. And there are various, you know, there's various ages of the soul as you go through a physical cycle. So do you think that this younger generation is kind of like when Dolores Cannon described the star seeds coming in, you know, years, you know, decades ago. Do you feel like that's happening again, very strongly with the younger generations? I mean, I think so. I, I absolutely agree that we are getting more and more experienced souls. Michael made it very clear that this civilization here on Earth couldn't really stand any more brand new level one souls learning their way up.

So they've cut that off. And the only people that are coming back are the older souls. And so the souls are getting older and older on on the planet so we're maturing as a civilization you read the newspaper and it doesn't look that way but uh in reality we are and there's a lot of people that come in that are coming in now some of the you know the younger the younger children and they'll they'll help us a lot along the way yeah i mean i see this you know, the younger, the younger children and they'll, they'll help us a lot along the way. Yeah. I mean, I see this, you know, I have kids from two different generations, almost three, and there's a huge difference with this younger generations and all of our friends and all my

kids, friends or friends, kids seem to also, you know, just be a different kind. They're less conditioned. They come in here kind of like with a clean slate, like I'm an old soul, but I'm not going to go back to these old patterns and conditions that you guys, you know, once, you know, we're completely imprisoned by, I would say myself trying to do the most and be the most. I find it fascinating. So like, how do you connect with Michael and Seth? Is it in meditation? Are you connecting with them? No, you know, I, Michael is a, I use Shepard Hood when he's a channel and Shepard is fantastic. And he, matter of fact, he wrote the forward to the book. I, I ran into Shepard. I used to have, I used to do a radio show, the Common Sense Spirituality Show, 10 years ago.

And I ran into a lot of very, very interesting people, as you can imagine. And Shepard was one of them. And so I started working with him and, you know, go through him and to go through Shepard. And I would go in and ask him all these oddball questions. Shepard always said, you know, your sessions are so interesting because everybody wants to know about themselves. And you keep asking about how does this world work? Yeah. So he found it very interesting to work with me.

So we became friends. And he still does this. He can give you a life chart to explain where you are in the process and such. He's written a number of books Your Life's Journey is I think the best one of all and I reference it in

Our Eternal Existence but he's the best way to get in touch with Michael and Michael will answer any question you want um and and and then michael will say at the end uh don't take this as gospel this is the best we know don't you know we're still learning too so this is simply the best we know that's what we're telling you seth uh seth went through jane roberts there's a bunch of books out on that. There's some people that say that they can interface with Seth Anity, and he's also in the causal plane.

I've read their books, and maybe they can, maybe they can't. I don't know. So even though Seth is not an angel, he's more of an entity, he and Archangel Michael are still the same frequency in the same dimension? I don't know. I don't know what the Archangel Michael is. I've never interfaced with him. Okay, so it's not Archangel Michael. So, no, this has got nothing to do with the Archangel Michael. The Archangel Michael is an angel, and they have angel souls.

They have different souls than we do. We have sentient souls, and angels have angel souls. And when they come back, if they want to be somebody at our level, a humanoid on this planet, they'd have to have a sentient soul. Dolphins have sentient souls. Are not connected to Christianity. No, nothing to do with Christianity. Gotcha.

Nothing to do with it. It's conditioned in my brain. Exactly. That's the first thing you would think. Aha, this is a Christian entity that's appearing. Well, it's not the case. But yeah, you can absolutely understand why that would pop into your head. That's what you'd relate it to.

That's a good lesson for me. They're just names. And like you said, just given the names of the last. And, you know, my dad's name is Michael. I mean, he's not Archangel Michael. Right. He did get money on St. Michael Day. Him and my little brother would both get money.

And I would say, when's St. Shanna Day? This isn't fair. Thanks so much, David, for coming on. I appreciate it. And will you tell everybody where they can get your book and where they can find you? Yes, I have a website that it's davidgagan.com. So you can go there, you can read about the book, you can get the book. And the book is Our Eternal Existence. It's a metaphysical perspective of reality. And you can buy it on, and the website will take you to Amazon. You can get it at Amazon, you get it at Barnes and Noble. And also, if you're ever in the Florida area, I have a metaphysical center. I'm the host of the Sanibel Metaphysical Meetup Group and we try to get together

and talk about these type of things every well I try to do it every month but I don't get around to calling the meetings every month because I got so much else going on but anyway

you can if you go to my website davidgagan.com and that's Gagan G-A-G-G-I-N if you go to my website, davidgagan.com, and that's Gagan, G-A-G-G-I-N. If you go to my website, there is a way to contact me. And if you would like to discuss anything and do anything, and also, obviously, to attend the meeting, I can tell you how to do it. But the meetup group is free. It's it's everybody is welcome. And not only can you come, you can bring your friends and so on, so forth. So so that's that's basically it. Again, it's it's our eternal existence.

And my my first book was The Endless Journey. and that's available at Amazon as well. It is an endless journey. It is an endless journey. There's no question. It's an endless journey. And it's a great journey. It's a journey where we can, you know, and it's a self-directed journey. And what people don't realize is that, you know, we get a lot of help, we get a lot of advice, but ultimately we make the decision. It's up to us to do whatever we want to do. We chose to come to this life. And we choose to have the experiences that we want. So, you know, if you want to grow and evolve, which is the main reason that we're here, you know, that's, you know, that's what you do.

That's, that's your choice and how you do that. It's your choice. I love that. I love that you also bring together community because I feel like you can't just go and talk to your neighbor about this. So it's good to have, you know, people to bounce this off of. Yeah, you're right. I, I spoke last Friday, I spoke at the Sanibel Rotary Club, and I thought, well, I wonder how many people here are, you know, so I, you know, 60 people there. And I said, how many people know what metaphysics is? I got about three hands. So, but there was a lot of people that were interested. And but there's a lot of people that,

you know, they're not ready yet. And that's fine. You know, all you can do is just try to reach the ones that are ready. If you have a meeting and you call it a metaphysical meetup meeting, then people that understand what that's all about, they're the ones that show up and then you get, you know, 98% of them are interested. Thank you, David. You have a wonderful holiday. Thank you. You too, Shanna. I enjoyed talking to you. All right. Many blessings. Thank you, David. You have a wonderful holiday. Thank you. You too, Shanna. I enjoyed talking to you.

All right. Many blessings. Thank you. Thank you. check out my website at www.mysenseofsoul.com where you can work with me one-on-one or help support Sense of Soul Podcast by donating to my coffee fund. Thanks for listening.