Sense of Soul - Free Yourself From Fear and Anxiety

Episode Date: September 23, 2024

Today on Sense of Soul we have Anxiety Expert Daniel Packard, U.C. Berkeley Mechanical Engineer and CEO of Full Liberation Technology. Daniel spent 8 years to reverse engineer an innovative internal process that gets you permanent change quickly, working with thousands of people spanning over on 5 continents and over a million dollars of research and testing, Daniel and his team succeeded in reverse engineering an innovative process that solves any type of anxiety permanently – with an astounding 90% success rate. Daniel believes RESULTS MATTER…his no change, no charge 6-week program. His clients only pay at the end of the program…once their anxiety is fully resolved. Daniel is with us today to explain the real reason your fear and anxiety won’t go away and the breakthrough discoveries his team made that will help you understand why being free of anxiety is not only possible, but can even be simple. Do you want to be free of fear and anxiety permanently? Schedule a call with Daniel here: Book a free consultation call with Daniel: https://www.danielpackard.com/
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Hello, my soul-seeking friends. It's Shanna. Thank you so much for listening to Sense of Soul podcast. Enlightening conversations with like-minded souls from around the world, sharing their journey of finding their light within, turning pain into purpose, and awakening to their true sense of soul. If you like what you hear, show me some love and rate, like, and subscribe. And consider becoming a Sense of Soul Patreon member, where you will get ad-free episodes, monthly circles, and much more. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. With us on Sense of Soul today, I have anxiety expert Daniel Packard, UC Berkeley mechanical engineer and CEO of Full Liberation Technology. After years of searching for a way to rid his

anxiety and fears, Daniel spent eight years working with thousands of people spanning over five continents and over a million dollars of research and testing, Daniel and his team succeeded in reverse engineering an innovative process that solves any type of anxiety permanently. Daniel believes results matter. His no change, no charge six-week program has an astounding 90% success rate. Daniel's with us today to explain the reason your fear and anxiety won't go away and how being free from anxiety and feeling safe in our daily life is not only possible, but can be even simple.

Hey, Shannon. nice to see you. Daniel, thank you so much for coming on Sense of Soul. I can't wait to share you with all of our listeners. Well, thank you, Shanna. That feels very nice to hear. It's an honor to be here. And I love the title of your podcast and any audience member, hello, audience member

that's listening to this means that you are aware that you have a soul and you're gaining a sense of soul. And what I'm going to be sharing with you over the next 45 minutes or so is actually a way to really be free of the things that hold you back through healing your soul very, very quickly. And so your audience already understands the importance of the soul. And I'm going to share with you a perspective that's going to accelerate or enhance your ability to heal your soul so that you are free of what holds you back. And I stress that because your audience, I'm aware they're listening to other podcasts. I don't consider that cheating. I know there's 2.5 million podcasts. And what we do is very innovative. And I like to be clear what we do up front so your audience knows why to listen, why give me your

time. And it's because if you struggle with anxiety or perfectionism or people pleasing or procrastination, low confidence, overthinking, usually there's a lot of tips and tools out there to be mindful of it, to be aware of it, to manage it, but it's not gone. And so what I'm going to be sharing with your audience is an understanding of how to heal the soul really, such that you address the root cause such that you are free of this and be free of it quickly. So that's what I want to share with you. So if you want to spend your lifetime exploring your soul, understanding your soul, peeling back the layers of your soul, but you're still doing the stuff, then there's tons of podcasts to go listen to. If you want to understand how to heal your soul quickly, such that you're free of this stuff, such that you're

the happiest, best version of yourself, that's what Shanna and I are going to talk about. And I'm so excited because you keep saying the word free. And every time I hear it, it's like I get so excited because who doesn't want to be free from anxiety, especially right now in the way the world is. And I was talking to you prior to getting on and I asked how you were doing and rooted was your answer. And I loved that you're very anchored. And, you know, just to start off, Daniel, can you tell everybody like how you got to where you are and how, how it is that you came into this program? I mean, you haven't always been in this position. I wake up every morning grounded and anchored and calm and it's permanent.

There's no ups and downs. There's no, I don't have to meditate. It's just my default state. And when people hear that, they go, how the heck? That's impossible. Well, what we did is innovative. So I get that it seems impossible. But also we got here because I am an engineer and people really get confused. They're like, wait a minute.

This is the soul. It's feelings. An engineer. You're not a therapist. By the way, it's just so nice to see you. Every time I talk to you, Shanna, my little heart opens up and I just feel so happy. So I just wanted to share that. We've had some good conversations. Okay. So the passion of our company and our focus is results, meaning permanent results and fast results and measurable results. And the reason that matters to me is because growing up, my dad was a scientist. And I remember

being about 10 years old. And he said to me, you know, anybody can have a theory or an idea. But it's the person that gets results that you know, knows what they're talking about. He said, results matter. And that always stuck with me. You know, anybody can talk, but who's getting the results? And as a young kid, I became an inventor. I liked inventing things. I don't know if you remember, but in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, he had all those pulleys and things and I was that kid that would invent things. And I loved it.

But the satisfaction is you design something and you build it and then it gets a result and it's very satisfying. So I went to engineering school to be properly trained how to look at a complex problem, break it down to its mechanical components, and then you design a prototype and then you test it and you get results. And it never works in the beginning. And then you're trained, how do you refine a prototype to get better and better results. So the good news was I had a passion for solving things and getting results. I was trained to make machines that work and get results. And I'm good at it. I love it.

It's a certain mindset and passion. So I knew how to make machines work, but there was nowhere in engineering school where they taught me how to make life work. So I could design a robot that played ping pong, but I was anxious. I was insecure. I was a perfectionist, a people pleaser, a procrastinator, horrible, low self-esteem, low confidence, overthinking, you name it. I had it. And I just knew there was a better version of me that existed, but I didn't have access to it. And so like your audience, I go looking for help. I went to therapists and psychologists,

spiritual teachers, lived in ashrams, did the retreats, the videos, the apps, the meditations for 10 years. And I, you know, I had tips and tools to manage it. I had insights and awareness. It was all better, but I wasn't free of it. It was still the same old BS every day. It was better, but I wasn't being that person I wanted to be. I wasn't as happy as I wanted to be. I wasn't fulfilling my potential. I wasn't

showing up for the people I cared about. And it was 10 years. And I just had this awareness where I went, this is crappy results. It's completely acceptable in this industry of spirituality and psychology and coaching to spend years and years and years and never get to the root of it. But as an engineer, let's be honest, this is not good results. And I looked up at the heavens to whoever's up there pulling the strings. And I said, like, what do you want from me? I was pissed. I said, I just spent 10 years and I'm still anxious. I'm still insecure. I still care. What do you want from me? And I was being rhetorically angry. I didn't expect an answer, but I got this transmission, this voice that basically said what my dad told me at 10, which is results matter. And I saw that this trillion

dollar, I called the improvement industrial complex, a trillion dollars is spent globally on therapists, psychologists, spiritual teachers, and coaches. And they're well-intentioned. They're teaching tips and tools for awareness, but they're not getting great results. They're not getting people free of this. And. They're not getting people free of this. And they're certainly not getting people free of anything quickly and systematically with guaranteed measurable results. It's not scientific. And I said, well, I'm an engineer. We're problem solvers. We're inventors. And this industry needs innovation. It's mostly just regurgitation. Some of the most stuff that people do is good, but it's old

technology. Meditation is like 5,000-year-old technology. Modern psychology is 100-year-old technology. They don't innovate. It's the same stuff over and over and over again. Now, it's not bad, but they're not innovating, and we're not getting results. People want to be free of their patterns. So I started my own research company, Full Liberation Technology, with the goal, the mission to see, could we engineer, could we reverse engineer a system such that all the tools and the instructions are in one place. And if you follow the steps, you get the result. The result of which is that you are free of this, the anxiety, the procrastination, the people pleasing, perfectionism, the low confidence, the overthinking, the self, it's gone. Now we didn't know if we could do it. I just, the engineer in me said, we got to solve this problem. The planet is in pain.

People want to be free of this stuff, not always be learning about it. And it was hard. It was not easy, but that's where the engineering comes in is we are problem solvers. We are very focused, unrelenting problem solvers. Edison, that's a certain type of person. Most people go, okay, well, at night it gets dark and then we wait for the sun. And Edison says, no, I'm going to create a light bulb so it's light at night. Most people just wouldn't care. He cared. How many prototypes? A thousand. Most people would give up around 10 or 15, but when you're an engineer, you go after a solution and you don't give up. It's a certain mindset and that pays off. It took us eight years, a million dollars in research and development. We worked with 3000 people. I worked with addicts

in South Africa. I worked with monks in India. I worked with entrepreneurs in Europe and it was a lot of work, but that's what engineers do is we innovate through solving. And we developed a system, a six-week online system that has all the tools in one place and all the simple, easy to follow instructions where you can't fail. If you follow the steps, you get the result. And the result is that you address the root cause and you are free of what's holding you back. And because we care so much about results, we do not ask our clients to pay at the beginning because we haven't gotten you a result yet. Like, why are we charging you? We only charge our clients at the end when they have clear, measurable data. And we know that because we have a set of measurement tools

and you're measuring. And so you only pay at the end when what you're struggling with is gone and not coming back. And we do that because it's the right thing to do. And my dad said results matter. So that's what we do. It does seem almost impossible,

but I've gotten to know you and I believe in you. I do. You mentioned getting to the root problem. Can you talk about what you feel is that root problem and what we can do to address it? 100%. And it's important that I share that because it sounds good. Hey, be free of what holds you back in six weeks. Everybody wants that. But everybody also has been over-promised and under-delivered by coaches and therapists. There's shiny language, unlock your infinite potential. And so people are very skeptical when they hear someone saying, hey, be free of this,

because there's other people saying be free of it, and they're not backing up their results. They take your money, and people have been burned. So I want to explain why this is even possible so that you realize this isn't too good to be true. It's just that the experts weren't willing to put the time in to solve this. Also, they're not incentivized to solve it. The money's in the management, in the band-aids, in the constant coming back of retreats and therapy. I'm an engineer. I want to solve. That's my satisfaction is seeing our clients be free. That's my payoff, not the money. There's people making way more money than we are, but I get to look in the mirror knowing we are truly giving people real freedom.

And going back to the whole, it sounds too good to be true. I get that. And you said that you believed me, which felt nice. And just so your audience knows, so what we offer is a six week program, but you did a 90 minute sort of mini course that we do. That's sort of a sample. It walks you through our methodology and there's a technique that you do at the end where when you apply it, your symptoms go down.

And from your perspective, can you share to your audience your experience and that sort of this isn't too good to be true. You got a glimpse of it and this is real. Yeah, I was very surprised how far I was able to go within just that 90 minute training. I mean, I went far back to find a root cause of something that was happening presently. And had I not done that exercise, I felt complete peace. I did feel freedom and was surprised that I was able to get that kind of healing so quickly. You just said so many things. One, I'm wonderful.

I'm glad you felt it. Thank you for sharing your testimony. And B, what you just shared is the result of that eight years of hard work. First of all, you know, a lot about personal development, psychology and therapy and what was in that 90 minute training. You weren't seeing nobody seeing it's so simple. The experts missed it. And that's the innovation. It's so simple. The experts missed it because it's a one layer deeper than we're being told to look. But secondly, you know, you've just in that exercise at the end, you felt that that freedom and that's it. And that was just in a five minute exercise. So can you at least see in what your experience that you had in that 90 minutes? Can you see that a full six week program

with more tools could get you completely free of this? Did you kind of get a glimpse of that? Yeah. And I felt like I got a taste of what could be even more like this was just one thing. And I realized there's so much more, you know, and it really helped me. It was divine timing. I, my daughter is 25, okay? Bought her new house and is moving out. I'm excited and I want to celebrate her transition, but there is this holding on and it's something that I've always done. And so this is something that came up for me

and I realized I'm not very comfortable with transition or change. Beautiful. And thank you for being honest with what you're struggling with. And is it fair to say that even though I'm an engineer, the work that you did in that 90 minute training was about the soul?

Yeah. People say the soul matters, but we're trying to give people a new way of approaching things, which is simple, mechanical and results-based. We want to focus on the soul, but we also want the mechanics and the strategy to get you free.

Something else that came up that you might find is interesting is I really connected with that my body knew this for the past week prior because I was really feeling nauseous and I didn't know why. I hadn't connected it until I didn't feel nauseous anymore. Once I was in that peaceful place. So thank you. You are welcome. And also at the end of our conversation, I'm going to tell your audience how they can get

that training that you experienced. This is all yummy. And your audience is thinking, okay, this is great. But like, what, what, what is it? What is it? Ayahuasca? Do I unlock a ninth chakra? I didn't know I had, do I dance on glass? What do I do? No, no, no, no. I'm going to give your audience an inner mechanics lesson of what's actually going

on. It's much simpler than we've been led to believe and leads to an actual solution. Okay. There's a lot of theories out there on why we struggle childhood trauma, society, chakras, mindset, synapses. There's all these theories and there's truth to them, but all those truths don't necessarily lead to freedom in a short period of time. So when we designed this program, it said, look, we can't just have an idea. Results matter. We want permanent results, measurable results, fast results. And not all theories lend themselves well to that. Like if you hire a car mechanic and your car mechanic says, oh, you have a power issue. Okay. I mean, maybe that's true, but like, what do you do with that? Do an affirmation to the, like, what do you do? The word power, it's abstract.

But if the mechanic says, oh, you just ran out of gas. Oh, well, that's actionable. We can either put gas in the car. It's solvable. So this is a solvable understanding of why we struggle so that you can be free of it. So what we saw, first of all, when we approached this is we need to simplify what's going on because I must have

learned 10 theories on my symptoms. There was mindset, there was trauma, there was synaptic pathways, there was therapy, there was, there were all these theories. And I said, you know, not only are they all these theories, none of them are leading to a solution. If you really know what's going on, usually you can simplify things, usually. So we said, let's try and simplify this. So the first thing we did was we simplified what's going on. And what do I mean by that? So it feels like, and we are taught that we have multiple problems.

Anxiety, procrastination, people pleasing, perfectionism, low confidence, as you said, holding on to things, sabotage, negative mindset. We're sort of taught, oh, you've got this problem. And there's multiples. And what we saw is you don't have multiple problems. You have multiple symptoms of one root cause, which is fear. You can call it anxiety. I get it. But really, you're just really afraid. And you call that high level of fear, anxiety, but it's fear. That's a simpler explanation, fear. You could say you're a perfectionist, or you could say you have a fear of making a mistake. You could say you're a procrastinator, or you could say

you're afraid to start and finish things. You could say you're a procrastinator, or you could say you're afraid to start and finish things. You could say you're a people pleaser, or you could say you're afraid people won't like you. You could say you have low confidence, low self-esteem, or you could say you're afraid to be your true self. On and on and on it goes. If you look at what you think you have, you can see, oh yeah, there's just a fear underneath. Now, that's not that big of an insight. Now, it is a different way to approach things. Because even though your audience can say, yeah, that makes sense. And it's not like they didn't know they have fear. However, they buy books on procrastination, they buy books on overthinking, they buy books on letting it go.

They don't buy books on fear. So you're not, you're always at the symptom level, which makes it hard to solve it. Now people know about fear, but even when you go to a therapist, a spiritual teacher, a coach, here's what they tell you to do with fear. Overcome the fear, face the fear, change your mindset around the fear, see that it's a limiting belief and it's false evidence appearing real. Now, that's fine if you wanna manage the fear. I went and spent $3,000 on a one-week retreat where I was gonna be told how to overcome the fear. I knew I was afraid and insecure.

So they showed me in a certain situation all these tips and tools to overcome the fear. So the fear was there and I could push through and overcome it. Okay. Not bad. So the retreat's over. I'm in a situation, the fear comes up. Instead of letting it win, I use the tools. I apply the tool. I overcome the fear and I make one incremental step forward. Okay. But guess what? The next step, the fear is going to be there and it's going to be there and it's going to be there. So it sounds good. Overcome the fear. Yeah. One problem. The fear is still there. If there's a mountain in between you and what you want to do and someone says, overcome the mountain.

Great. The first time you overcome the mountain, the mountain's still there. So you got to keep overcoming. It's exhausting and it's never gone. And we saw nobody was trying to get rid of the fear, solve the fear. And as an engineer, I said, that's just more efficient. Now we didn't know if we could do it, but we said, we got to figure out where's all this fear coming from such that we could be free of the fear. If you're free of the fear, then the symptoms of the fear, the anxiety, the procrastination, the people, all that that goes away and it doesn't come back. The reason I'm so centered and calm and I don't have anxiety, procrastination, people, any of it, it's gone, is because this program solves the fear. So can you see from an efficiency point of view, if we could solve the fear, then you could be

free of the symptoms? Yeah, if you didn't have it to begin with, to be able to manage, you wouldn't have to manage something that didn't exist. You wouldn't have to manage it. And can you see that all the things you've learned, all the experts you've had on, all the books you've read, can you see that for the most part,

they give you fear management? Yeah. Yeah. So to your audience, the reason your fears are still here is not because you're weak or broken or cowardly or have a negative mindset. It's because the root cause of the fear, the experts, for whatever reason, didn't allow you to solve. That's why it's still here.

It's not your fault. It's that people didn't try to address the root cause, but we did. So do you want me to explain to you the root cause, but we did. So do you want me to explain to you the root cause of fear that makes this solvable, Shanna? Heck yeah. Do you think your audience wants to hear? Do you think they want to be stuck in a hamster wheel of fear for the rest of their life? What do you think they want? No, I think we all want true sovereignty from within. Woo, sovereignty. That is a great word. All right. Here's how you can be sovereign from fear. And I am not speaking about this hypothetically. Every morning I wake up,

no matter what's going on in my life, I can feel a bit of stress. I used to be terrified, insecure, couldn't leave the house. My fear is gone. And from that place, I'm authentic. I'm open hearted. I do not care what people think of me. I do not need to be perfect. I don't, I can't procrastinate. There's no fear. And the beauty is it's not just me. This we've systematized this sovereignty, systematized sovereignty. That has a nice ring to it. All right. So here's an explanation of where's the fear coming from that you experienced in that 90 minute training that somehow the experts missed. Okay. So here's intermechanics lesson number one. We are taught that fear is a problem of the mind.

You know, change your mindset, change your scarcity thinking, quiet the negative, scary thoughts in your head. It's called mental health. It's got the word mental right in there. They give us pills to get the neurotransmitters in our brain. Usually when we meditate, we're trying to quiet our mind. So we're told that fear, stress, worry, doubt is a problem of the mind. Now, the mind is part of it. The mind can say some scary,

nasty things. My mind used to tell me I was unlovably ugly, which just ugly is mean, unlovable is mean, but unlovably ugly, it's really mean. But my mind used to tell me that, that I feel insecure and scared. So it seems like it's a problem of the mind. So the mind is part of it. However, your fear does not originate in the mind. The scared mind is not the root cause of the fear. It is a symptom of where the fear is actually originating, which is the body. Now people say, well, aren't they connected? Yes, they are connected, but it's a question of which one's first. And it's body first, mind second, because that's the way we're mechanically wired. Our mind is a tool to get the body what it needs to stay alive. So you feel hunger in the body first, then your mind senses the hunger, then your mind figures out where to get food. That's how they work together. If you're in the jungle and you hear a sound in the bushes, you will feel fear in the body first, then your mind senses the fear, and then your mind kicks in saying, oh, we have to deal with this threat. And your audience, and you probably know this, have you

ever noticed that when you feel calmer, usually your mind is a bit quieter, and usually when you feel more afraid and anxious, usually your mind starts a bit quieter. And usually when you feel more afraid and anxious, usually your mind starts spinning. That's because your mind senses the fear in the body and thinks there's a problem and starts freaking out. Oh my God, am I the problem? This needs to be perfect. What do people think of me? And then we get stuck in a loop. I call it the spin cycle. So our data and research showed that while the mind and the body are connected, fear doesn't originate in the mind. It originates in the body and spreads to the mind.

And this is very important because, A, we saw where it was actually coming from, so we could develop a program there. But two, this is why nobody's solving their symptoms. So to your audience, the reason you still have overthinking and these negative thoughts and the mean thoughts, and you can't shut them off, there's nothing wrong with you. You are not broken. The experts, while well-intentioned, had an incomplete understanding of what's going on and they sent you to the symptom. And I don't care who you are or what you know, you can't solve something at the symptom level. And that's why your mind keeps going banana pants, to use the fancy Latin phrase of banana pants. It's not because you have a weak mind or a negative mindset. Your body, which I'll explain, is feeling fear.

And then it spreads to the mind because that's the way you're wired. So inner mechanics lesson number one is that fear does not originate in the mind, but starts in the body. And that's where our program starts. And from that 90 minute training, Shana, did you sort of see that the fear originates in the body first and spreads to the mind? Yeah, I think that's why I was trying to say that I literally even connected with that nausea that I was experiencing like the week before, because it was that nervousness that was causing me to be sick that came up during the session. And it was like, oh, this is what that is. So I'm glad you had that insight, but isn't it problematic that as much as you know, you didn't even know, you weren't really aware of the actual location of the problem. That's

how confused we've gotten from this improvement industrial complex is we all just got sent to the wrong, we don't even know where the problem is coming from. No wonder people are stuck with these patterns. The fact that you, somebody that does this podcast, knows as much about human beings and has done as much work, and you were like, oh, the root cause of the problem, I was in the wrong place. That is sad that a bunch of engineers had to figure that out. This should be common knowledge. But therapy is, I just don't think they care about results. You know, the father of modern psychology was Freud. He was a chain smoking cocaine addict. Like that is not a good sign that the father of that industry didn't even solve it. So anyway, I just say this. I'm not here to disparage the experts. I'm here to wake people up and say the experts don't understand this well enough.

And it's leaving you confused and stuck in these patterns. And then we think we're broken. And they think what we do is too good to be true. What we do is not too good to be true. It's what the experts sell is too inefficient to work. So I must say that had I known to do this and to really connect with myself in the way that you had me, I wouldn't have probably looked to Pepto-Bismol and to, you know, I was looking, I was like thinking there was something wrong with my gut physically. And I, and I was looking for an answer. I was trying to manage it rather than get to the root of it,

which you had me do. So thank you before I twerp my stomach anymore. And I really truly feel much better since. That makes me so happy to hear. And the engineering, the fact that you got that from just even one exercise for five minutes. Efficiency, baby. Results matter.

Just 90 minutes. I mean, if you can do that in 90 minutes, I can't imagine what you can do in six weeks. Yeah. So the six weeks, just to be clear, what you did was 90 minutes. And again, I'll give that program here. I'm going to let your audience at the end. If they're interested in our work, book a free call with me. And once they book a free call with me, I'll send them this 90 minutes at danielpackard.com.

That 90 minutes, again, it's not the six-week system with all the tools and the instructions. But again, just the fact that you experienced that in 90 minutes with one tool is kind of showing that all the tools that are designed to work together and the simple steps. But again, the reason you got those results so quickly is because it's just true. It's just the experts miss this. It's not fancy. People think, how do you solve it? They think it's complicated or we use Harry Potter's wand. No, it was a simple thing that the experts missed. And there's historical precedence for this. Because when I was starting my company, I was inspired by the story of Florence

Nightingale that my mom told me about when I was a kid. And Florence Nightingale was this British nurse in the 1850s during the Crimean War. And she sees more soldiers are dying in recovery than in battle. And that result is problematic to her. So she goes to the experts, the generals and the doctors, and she says, hey, I don't, she was posh and British, so she probably didn't go, hey, but you know, in her smart British way, she basically said, this is a real problem. And because they were experts, their legacy thinking, they told her, look, this is just war. Don't worry about it. Get back to your job, which is that legacy condition thinking, like, don't worry about it. Don back to your job, which is that legacy condition thinking like,

don't worry about it. Don't innovate. But she did care and she paid attention because she wasn't an expert. She was free to just pay attention and look for things that the experts sometimes miss because they're busy regurgitating what they've learned. But she saw, oh, this is infection. And all we need to do is change the bandages, open the windows and move the soldiers away from the toilet. Simple thing that everybody missed that dropped the death rate by 99%. We're always treating symptoms. And because it's all symptoms of one root cause, when we work with clients, clients come to us usually for one or two things. But because we're addressing the root cause, they start to see these improvements in all these other areas. Because when we basically feel fear, that's just going to show up everywhere.

It's hard to be loving and afraid. It's hard to be authentic and afraid. It's hard to be present and afraid. So this happened a month ago. A woman named Joanne, She was from Vancouver, BC. Lawyer, successful, smart. She had anxiety, perfectionism, and procrastination. And, you know, she was successful.

She was functioning, but she wasn't happy at work. She wasn't present at work. She was anxious at work. She would then come home and she wasn't fully present. And she said, I've tried everything. I've done the retreats. I've done the meditations. said, I've tried everything. I've done the retreats. I've done the meditations. I've done the energy healing.

I've done the incense. I've done it all. Management. And she said, I met somebody at a party who did your program and said, it's gone in six weeks. She said, there's no way you can do that. And then they said, they only charge at the end when you get results. And she said, wait, what?

How do you? Nobody does that. And they said, they do. And she said, wait, what? How do you, nobody does that. And they said, they do. And she said, well, I got to check that out. So she came and we started helping her. So her procrastination, and again, we measure everything and people say, how do you measure this? So anxiety is easy to measure because three times a day, we have an app and you just track. We say from one to 10, how anxious are you feeling? And you just measure it. So we have three data points per day over six weeks. And we can track that your anxiety or fear or worry is going down.

But procrastination, we measure how long does it take you to get started? That's one of the emotional biomarkers that we track. So it took her on average 90 minutes to get going per project. By about week five, that was down to about nine minutes. Her productivity each day in terms of the number of hours she spent doing what mattered to her was at I think about 70 minutes a day. And by about week six, she was up to about five and a half hours per day. Again, we can measure that and track that. But also her focus. People who procrastinate sometimes start and stop and start and stop. They have trouble focusing. So her focus time went from, oh, you're raising your hand? I'm raising my hand. Yes, I have definitely.

So it's not that you're not motivated. It's not that you lack focus. It's that there's a fear underneath and you keep starting and stopping because you're basically, there's a fear there. Her focus time went from, I think on average, it was about seven, I think it was seven and a half minutes at a time. And it went up to 90 minutes in any given moment. So a that's the type of results that we get. And that's how we measure things. But also, she said, I gotta tell

you. Now that I don't have the fear, my heart is so much more open. I'm a much more empathetic, loving mother. I'm much more fun at work. I'm enjoying work more. My husband is thrilled, happy wife, happy life. And she said, I'm just much happier. And I'm just the loving person I've always wanted to be. So she didn't come into the program to be a more loving wife and mother. She came in for these things, but because it's all connected to fear, you know, you get these other benefits. We don't charge you extra for like other better results. I'm happier. But yeah, when I think about my procrastination, it's usually because I put down my own things and sacrifice my own projects and stuff to help others, you know, and so that's how that happens. So that's a good point. There is an overlap between people pleasing and procrastination.

Because if you have a belief that, oh, I need to make everybody else happy first and my needs and dreams are secondary, you have less motivation to focus on you. So there is an overlap. And actually, when we track procrastination, we also track people pleasing because they're related. These symptoms do show up in people slightly differently. It's all caused fear, but how that fear shows up does change from person to person. So some people come to us and they'll say they're a procrastinator because they are procrastinating and we'll see it's. So some people do have what I just said. Absolutely. they'll say they're a procrastinator because they are procrastinating. And we'll see. It's so some people do have what I just said.

Absolutely. I say I have a fear of failure and I'm afraid if I finish the project, it won't be good enough. I'll disappoint people. So I'm not starting the project. So I can't finish the project and disappoint people. I'm sure your audience can. That does exist.

But you're not a procrastinator. You're a people pleaser and you're not even a people pleaser. You're just afraid that you'll let people down. Does that feel true? Yeah. I guess no one would actually ever probably say that I was a procrastinator because you know, I'm very creative. I have ADHD. A lot of people are diagnosed with this nowadays. I do kind of believe there's a root cause. Remember what I said, we don't have individual problems. We have different symptoms of fear. So what they do is because they don't know how to address the fear or want to, it's more financially incentivizing to call it a problem or disorder and then treat it. Attention deficit disorder. Okay. If you're afraid,

can you see that that's going to affect your focus? A hundred percent. You're so right. I had a client a year ago come to me and he said, I've got anxiety. I want to do this program for anxiety. I mean, I love the fact that I only pay at the end when it works. That helps with my skepticism. He says, I also like that you back up your results. He said, but I have ADHD. Will that affect my ability to do the program? And I said, no, the program is dead simple. It's easy to follow. You experience that in the training. It's really simple. There's nothing fancy. Now, I didn't say anything because until I have data and results, I keep my mouth shut. But I, in my head, I said, I bet you he doesn't have ADHD. I bet it's a symptom

of the fear. So he went through the program. We spoke week five of the six weeks. And he said, I just woke up for the first time really since childhood. And I didn't have anxiety. And my mind was quiet. And I can't thank you enough. And I was like, you're welcome. You know, good job to you. And I said, hey, by the way, how's your ADHD going? He said, it's funny you mentioned that. Yesterday, it was like gone and I didn't know why. And I said, I know why, because you didn't have ADHD.

You felt fear and your mind can't focus. He said, holy crap. I was like, I know. He said, I was on medication for 20 years for ADHD and I didn't have it. I said, no. My oldest daughter and I have talked about this many times. If we got control of the anxiety,

then you had control of the ADHD or if it was vice versa, however it worked. But they've always been connected in our lives, in our experience. Absolutely. And anybody with those symptoms can tell you, yeah, when I'm more anxious, the symptoms amp up. People have the data. It's just they're confused by the experts because they're not told what's a symptom and what's the root cause. But anybody can start to go, hey, wait a minute, he's right. I think this might just all be different symptoms of fear. The reason this is sort of groundbreaking is because unless you can address the fear,

what's the point in knowing it's the fear if you can't solve it? So at least when they tell you it's a symptom and they give you symptom management, at least it feels helpful. But like, screw it. Let's address the fear. So here's where the fear is coming from. Okay. It's not the mind. It's the body. Now here's why this is good. Cause the body is simple and mechanical. People don't understand the mind. There's like a hundred billion neurons and synaptic pathways. Nobody understands the mind yet. It's, it's like deep ocean, deep space, the mind, they're just beginning to understand it. And these people who go on podcasts and talk about neural pathways and all this stuff, I'm sure it's true.

And those people explain the mind and cognition. And if you take this vitamin, it helps. But you know what they don't offer? Solutions and results. So they tell you about the mind and neural pathways and building neural pathways. But then do they have a program to help you be free of this? No. So it's more information, but it doesn't solve anything,

partly because the problem's not in the mind. It's in the body. And the body is much simpler and it's more mechanical. There's skeleton and ligaments and arteries and valves. It's mechanical in there. And the body's made up of systems, skeletal system, dental system, the coronary system, the skin, it's all systems. And engineers love systems because every system has mechanics. And we know once you understand the system, you can understand why things malfunction and then how to repair it. So we just said,

what system in the body is creating all this fear? So take out the word fear, take out the word anxiety, use the word nervous. Okay, let's just say everybody's feeling different severities of nervousness. Okay, I said the answer was simple. What system in the body do you think is most likely

malfunctioning, making everybody feel extra nervous? Do you think it's the skeletal system, the coronary system, or wait for it, the nervous system? That's amazing. And we, I mean, we might as well be calling it the fear system because that's how we've been living. Amen, Shanna. Testify. Yeah, it is the fear system. So the answer is it's the nervous system, which doesn't that just make sense? Modern psychology has had a hundred years to figure this out. Okay. They say it's a problem of the mind.

There's a system in the body that has the word nervous right in the effing name. The whole planet is experiencing different symptoms of nervousness and after a hundred years of anxiety on the rise addiction on the rise suicide on the rise insecurity on the rise the experts are still like no man it's the mind no experts it's really not it's the nervous system which should have been a clue because it's got the word nervous right in there. This is not a theory. Results matter. The six-week program that we designed focuses on the nervous system because the nervous system is your body's threat response system.

If your nervous system is healthy, you feel a word that everybody wants to feel. It's probably one of the most important words out there. When the nervous system is healthy, you feel the beautiful word, which I feel every day and our clients feel every day, and that word is safe. Let me say that again. When your nervous system is healthy, you feel safe. When your nervous system is unhealthy, you feel like you're under attack, you feel unsafe. So the fear we're feeling, the nervousness we're feeling, it's not even fear. It's that our nervous system is out of whack and we feel

unsafe. When you feel unsafe, it gives rise to fear and nervousness. And then it gives rise to anxiety, procrastination, people pleasing, ADHD, all that other stuff. But at the root, can you see that everybody in different forms and ways just feels unsafe underneath? Yeah. At the end of that 90 minutes when you did the exercise that helps you feel a bit, did you feel a bit safer and more grounded? Oh, yeah. And was it simple and mechanical that what we guided you through? Very simple. And I can't, all of this is,

it's almost common sense. It's just, we've been programmed to really feed the systems that actually make money off of all of this to tell us to do this and this and complicate it and confuse us. Thank you. That's this is my frustration is that this thing we discovered, it's innovative because

we innovated. But what we innovated was the simple thing that was sitting right under everybody's nose. Exactly. It's common sense. Now, it's not common sense because the experts have been confusing us away. But what Florence Langell discovered was not fancy. It was simple, sitting right under the experts' noses. But the experts didn't want to see it because they were experts looking in the wrong place. So this is common sense. It's just we want what we're training. People have said sometimes, like, oh, are you worried if people steal your technology? No, we don't. We're sad this isn't common sense. We want this taught in schools, in prisons. We want to give the program away.

We see ourselves more as a humanitarian organization because if we could get these tools to the world and because it's an online program, it's scalable, we could be helping millions. And if the whole planet felt safer, the anxiety goes down, the violence goes down, the judgment goes down, all the isms go down. It pisses me off and it breaks my heart that the experts are missing. This happened two weeks ago. A guy said, my anxiety is so bad that I can't leave the house and I can't play with my kids. And he says, I wouldn't do it, but I've thought about taking my own life because I'm not living and I can't show up for my kids. And I said, I get it. I've been there. It feels hopeless. And it's hopeless

because the expert sent me to the wrong location. He's like, oh my God, you're right. It's the body. I said, I know, and I said, what if we could help you feel safe? He said, I haven't felt safe since I was a kid. I said, I know. Welcome to the club. He said, I could feel safe. I said, yeah, and he said, I'm skeptical. I said, be skeptical. Just try it. If it doesn't work, you don't pay. So he did it. This was about week four. His name was Andy. He's from Ohio. And he reached out just crying.

He said, I woke up this morning, and for the first time since I was a kid, I felt safe. And he said, and I know it's because of the program. It's not temporary. It's permanent. And he said, but also, I had my energy back today for the first time. And I went out and I played with my kids for the first time in two years. And he said, you didn't just give me my life back. You gave my kids their dad back. But he said, I can't believe that nobody told me this. This is so simple.

And I was like, I know we got to change it. So that's why I'm coming on podcasts like this. So I appreciate your platform so we can get the message out. Daniel, it is exhausting to be in that mind frame of being, you know, constantly like overthinking it and coming into this, like you're trapped in there somewhere. I've been

there before. It's horrible. There's also the pain that your body expresses after being so tense all the time, right? Where was I? Oh, okay. So I went on a roller coaster this past summer and I hadn't been on a roller coaster in probably a decade. I've avoided them. But my daughter wanted to go on like her first big roller coaster and I was going to be sitting next to her, I promise you. And I just remember how tense my body was like the whole time, right? Because I'm afraid, right? And I'm hoping that we stay on the tracks. And I get off and I'm just like, I finally just let go

because I felt safe. I was on the ground, right? My muscles let go, right? My mind let go of the fear and you relax. It's just almost like our nervous system is working overtime all the time and we're on roller coasters unknowingly, you know, holding that. It's exhausting. It's exhausting. I lived it. It takes a lot of energy to be afraid. Not only does it limit you from your potential, you're not meant to be afraid. You're meant, if you see nature videos, the lion comes out, the antelope runs away for about five, 10 seconds, and then it chills out. Antelope was afraid 24 hours a day, the antelope runs away for about five, 10 seconds, and then it chills out. Antelope was afraid 24 hours a day that antelope would be exhausted. We are exhausted antelopes.

There's no lion anymore, but our nervous system doesn't know that. It's redlining all the time. And we are not built that way. If you feel unsafe, it creates this just ripple up because we're built for safety. If you feel unsafe, that's what's going to take your priority. You're going to stay in the comfort zone. You're going to be afraid all the time. That's going to win. I don't care who you want to be, what book you read. You cannot fulfill your potential when you're afraid all the time because that fear is very

strong and we are wired to let the fear win. So that's why everybody's not functioning. It'll give you compassion when you say, oh, why is that person acting that? They're stupid, they're crazy. No, they're afraid. And when we're afraid, nobody acts the way we're designed to act.

Now, the question is, why is the nervous system malfunctioning and how do we repair it quickly? Some people say, well, of course my nervous system, look at what I grew up with, or of course my nervous system is blown out. Look at social media. And it, no, that's what we're told. People know about the nervous system. We're not the only ones that have brought it up,

but people think that the nervous system is malfunctioning because of all the pressures of life or social media. No, that ain't helping, but that's not the root cause because we have clients that came to us having horrible anxiety during the pandemic. And they said, well, of course I'm anxious. Of course my nervous system is blown out. It's a pandemic. And I said, I know that's how it feels, but there's another reason your nervous system is blown out, which has nothing to do with the pandemic. And they said, well, again, it's no risk to try it,

so I'll try it. And we had people the calmest they'd ever been during the pandemic. So here's what's going on. This is the missing piece that nobody saw, that we saw that makes this all possible. And again, it's simple. So we're going to do a little role play to explain why the nervous system feels unsafe.

This is the root cause. This is what's causing it. It's not your past. It's not the present. It's not society. That's not helping, but that's not the major contributor to the unsafety. What we discovered is there's a direct mechanical link in the body between care and safety. And I'll show you what I mean.

Okay, we'll do a little role play here. Let's say we're friends. Let's say for a while, I'm just really horrible to you. I'm mean to you. I'm critical to you. When you really need me, I am nowhere to be found. Everybody else is way more important to me than you. And you get the scraps. You're dead last. When you're struggling, I don't empathize. I criticize you and tell you there's something wrong with you and you can't rely on me. If I treated you that way for a while,

would you feel around me safe or unsafe? Unsafe. Was that complicated or simple? Piece of cake. Yep. And we know this. The people that don't treat us very well, we don't feel safe around them

because they don't care for us. And that is because when care goes well, we don't feel safe around them because they don't care for us. And that is because when care goes down, it breaks trust. When you don't trust, you feel unsafe. So this is the inner mechanics of human beings. Low care breaks trust. When you don't trust, you feel unsafe. Does that feel simple and mechanical? Okay. So if somebody over time consistently treats you with low care, you will not trust them. When you do not trust them, you will feel unsafe around them. That's not a negative mindset.

That's not your past. That's not social media. That is their low care breaks. Trust leaves you feeling unsafe. Now, is it fair to say that you are in a relationship with yourself? Yeah. We're relating to ourself every day. Is it fair to say, and I'm saying this to you, Shanna and your audience, is it fair to say that sometimes you are not always a loving,

caring friend to yourself? I'm not. Right. And it didn't take you long to come up with that answer. Everybody says, nope. I'm too hard on myself. I'm critical. I beat myself up.

Everybody knows it. So everybody knows that on some level, they're not a loving, caring friend of themselves. That's not new. Everybody knows that. Everybody knows they have fear. What we were not taught and what we saw in our research, it is that lack of care from you to you daily, 10 to 30 times a day over decades that has accumulated to break trust within yourself. And then you feel unsafe within yourself. When you feel unsafe within yourself, that's where the fear is coming from. The root cause that's creating most of this fear, it's not your childhood. Yeah, that was scary. And yes, social media and the challenges of life can be challenging and even scary.

But that's not what's causing most of this high level fear. It's you every day, totally unknown to you. You are being unhealthy and uncaring to yourself. And it's accumulating over time to break trust with yourself, leaving you feeling unsafe with yourself. It's not your past. It's not right now. It's what you are doing to yourself every day. And you don't even know it. That's the hidden root cause. Can you give another example of what care would look like? Because I think when someone hears care, they may just think, I don't know, like going to get a massage, which is amazing. Well, it's a very good question, because when I bring up care, people say, oh, I do care for myself. I meditate. I go on hikes.

And that's true. That's a form of care. What we found was that there's 28 forms of care that ideally you should be doing every day, but we don't know to do them. And the average person on average naturally probably does about four, but because we're not taught, people can't do all 28. And when people book a call with me, I'll send them that list of 28. And when people see that list, they go, oh my God. Oh, you're right. I'm not doing that. So here's one. Here's one that people wouldn't think of low care, but that does leave to the

unsafe feeling. Okay. So here's one. Are you familiar with the concept of deflecting compliments definitely something that I've been working on not long ago someone had sent me one of my listeners and she became a friend sent me a dozen roses and all I thought at first was oh my god I hope she didn't spend so much money on this

god they're so beautiful but she shouldn't have you know and it wasn't until my son said to me, he said, why did they give them to you? And I was like, I was taken aback. I was like, I had a hard time almost even just saying, because she appreciates me. We are not taught how to take very good care of ourselves. We're conditioned to treat ourselves poorly. You didn't even know you were doing it.

They shared it to you, but that means for a couple of decades, you've been doing it and you'll probably still keep doing it. You gain some awareness and maybe you'll get better at it, but these patterns don't go away. So even if you are getting better at receiving compliments, there's no way you're

allowing all of them. The point is you and your audience already probably knows, yeah, no, I don't receive compliments. And when you gain that awareness, you probably went, oh. Now, what you didn't know, because nobody figured it out, there's a direct mechanical link between all the times you didn't receive appreciation and feeling unsafe. Can you see that if you don't even understand that when you're not a loving, caring friend to yourself, it's building to create unsafety, you're always going to feel unsafe because daily you're just unconsciously doing it. You can't stop it. At best, you can manage symptoms. So the downside is we saw a direct mechanical link between care, these 28 ways, and safety in a person. And it is little daily acts of unhealth from you to you that have been building over time, keyword over time, that are leaving your nervous system and you feeling unsafe. And as long as you continue to do

these little acts of unhealth daily, they continue to break trust and leave you feeling unsafe. And there's nothing you can ever do. It'll just stay there. The best you can do is manage it. That's the bad news. However, if we want to turn this around quickly and create a healthy nervous system, why is it good news to find out that what's causing the unsafety and the fear and the nervousness is little acts of unhealth every day building up? Why is that such good news is because it's completely possible and doable to shift from little acts of unhealth to little acts of health. is because it's completely possible and doable to shift from little acts of unhealth to little acts of health. Yeah, it's doable. There's no awakening. There's no enlightenment.

There's no overcoming the fear. The body, if you don't take care of it, it goes into a state of disrepair from little acts of unhealth. That's what weight gain is. Little acts of poor dietary health mechanically means that you're not burning enough calories and you gain weight. Okay, that's not a fatty mindset. That's not false fat appearing real. That is the natural mechanical consequence of little acts of unhealth. But if you want to lose weight, you don't have to change your mindset.

You don't have to change your mind. You don't have to change your mindset. You don't have to change your mind. You don't have to reframe. If you just move from little acts of poor dietary health to little acts of good dietary health, you burn the fat and the fat goes away. It's simple and doable. That's the big breakthrough. So our program is effective because you have all the tools in one place. That's key. Usually people go getting one tool from this person, one tool from that person, another tool from this person. That's fine for management. But if you really want to address the root cause of something, you need an optimized toolkit that focuses on one thing. When you go to a mechanic, they have mechanic tools. When you go to a dentist, they have dentistry tools.

You need a multiple toolkit that's designed to work together. That's key. But your audience usually gets one tool from this person, another tool from that person. If you hired a contractor to rebuild your house and they walked in and they said, I have a hammer. The hammer is amazing. I love hammers.

But all they had was a hammer. Would you feel confident they could rebuild your whole house? No. No, because you need an optimized toolkit to get one job done. That's not what's sold. Little tool here, little tool there. It's fine for management. So we spent eight years to get all the tools that you need in one place that makes it very

simple and easy to take care of the nervous system and bring it back to health. But the other thing we include in the system is instructions. Without instructions, even if you have everything you need, you can't pull it off. If I gave you everything you needed to make chocolate chip cookies, flour, water, chocolate chips, a bowl, an oven, everything you needed. But I didn't give you instructions. Could you make a chocolate chip cookie? I'd have a hard time even with instructions. I mean, one time I left the sugar out sugar cookies and they end up being crackers. Well, it's a good point because if you have all the ingredients, but you don't follow the

instructions, you can end up with a burnt cracker or a three-layer wedding cake. All the same thing, but depending on the timing, the repetition, the amount, that is key to getting a reliable outcome. So the reason we get this reliable outcome is because not only do you have the tools, but you have very simple, easy to follow instructions. And what it does is it makes it very simple. It's like a diet and you follow the steps and you get the result. And the result is your nervous system comes back to health and you get to feel one of the most yummy feelings ever permanently. You get to feel safe. How much better would your life be if you woke up every morning and your default was

just to feel safe from the inside out? As you can tell, I get very, very, very, very passionate about this. But if you're listening to this, logically, everybody should do this program because we're addressing the root cause. It's fast, it's systematized and it's zero risk to try. That is the best deal on the planet. However, the people that we work with are motivated because everybody's got a bit of fear of change. They have doubt, they have skepticism, but if you're motivated enough, those are the people that we work with. But if you're motivated enough, those are the people that we work with. So if you're somebody who struggles with either crippling anxiety or

situational anxiety and you know how to manage it and avoid your triggers and all that, but you would like to be free of it so that you wake up every morning feeling calm and looking forward to the day and you'd like that in six weeks, we can help you get that. If you're a perfectionist and you know about the perfectionism and you're a recovering perfectionist and it's better, but you would like to be free of it

so that you could just create stuff and do stuff without all that exhausting pressure you put on yourself which allows you to just enjoy it more and create more and be happier, that's what we do. We can get you that in six weeks. If you're a procrastinator and you know about it

and you're working on it and you've worked on goal setting, but what if the fear was gone so that you could just work on stuff without fear for hours per day of what matters to you, get your job done, make more money, be more productive. And it's not temporary, it's permanent. And you want that in six weeks. That's job done. Make more money. Be more productive. It's not temporary.

It's permanent. And you want that in six weeks. That's what we can help you with. If you are a people pleaser and you know about it and you know you should put the oxygen mask on first, but it's been 20 years and you still don't do it and you would love to know how to feel safe. So you're OK making yourself a priority, putting yourself first, not feeling selfish, but seeing it's what you deserve. So you can put yourself first every day, which not only makes you happier, but then of course you show up for the people you care about at a higher level. We can get you that in six weeks.

And people with low confidence, the caring what people think of you, the self-doubt, the overthinking. I used to be crippled by that. Now I do not care. I know I seem confident now, and I am confident now. I truly, on a cellular level, do not care at all what anybody thinks of me. It's so freeing. That's where all this energy and passion comes from. But I was in a fetal position in my house 12 years ago. So it took me a while to get here, but this is possible. So you can be authentic and open-hearted and assertive, not temporarily, but permanently.

So you can be a happier, more fulfilled person. And you want that in six weeks, we can get you that. I like things simple. So I'm going to send you to a website. My name is Daniel Packard. Shanna, what do you think my website is? Danielpackard.com. Danielpackard.com. And here's what you can get. A free call with me. And on that free call, you can have one of two options. Either you can have what's called a next steps call. And a next steps call is where you're going to tell me what you're struggling with and what you want. And once I understand your situation, I'm going to give you one simple, easy to apply next step that'll help you address the root cause so you can move in the direction of being free of

what holds you back, whether that's anxiety, perfectionism, people losing, whatever it is. Or if you're like, Daniel, I don't just want one step. I want the program. I want to be free of this. I want to know about more about the six-week program. Go to danielpackard.com. There's basic info about the program. There is the price of the program, which trust me, is way less money than you'd think, given that you get to be free of this and live a happier life. There's testimonials of people who have gone through the program. There's more information on our no change,

no charge guarantee, which again, you don't pay till the end when you have measurable results. And if you're interested in the six week program on our free call, you can ask questions. We can make sure it's a good fit for you. And if it is a good fit for you and you want to move forward six weeks from now,

whatever it is that's been holding you back could be gone in six weeks. And once you book that free call, I will then send you the materials and the training and that list of 28 things that I sent to Shanna so that you can have a real experience of this for yourself. All for the price of free. I like things simple. Shanna, have I made it simple? You know, I always used to love it. My best friend used to say, she'd say, keep it simple, silly. Yup. And thank you so much for just

connecting me with that moment where I felt safe and free. It was my honor. Thank you. Thanks for listening to Sense of Soul Podcast. And thanks to our special guests for joining me. If you want more of Sense of Soul, check out my website at www.mysenseofsoul.com

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