Sense of Soul - Gnosis of the Holy Sophia

Episode Date: June 15, 2024

Today on Sense of Soul Podcast I have two amazing souls who mean so much to me, Daniel D. C. Morse and Diana Marie Kelly. Dan is a depth psychotherapist an Gnostic scholar the author of the wonderful book “The Divine Spark Within: Excavating the Mysteries of Sophia and the Deep Christ.” In this book, Daniel Morse, presents a long-lost Creation Story featuring the tragic and heroic Goddess Sophia. According to an ancient portrayal of human origins, this heavenly emissary played a key role in seeding into us a Divine Inner Spark. Diana his life partner also shares his love of Sophia. She has been receiving the initiations and empowerments of Sophia through the prism of Mother Mary and Anna, the grandmother of Jesus even before her own birth. These initiations have led to Diana becoming a voice of the Holy Sophia. She is a loving and conscious mystic, and has been a spiritual healer for 30 years. In addition, Diana is an experienced teacher and speaker as well as a priestess specializing in spiritual preparedness for conception and birth. Diana is a Teacher of the ancient Holy Womb Chakra System and specializes in life-changing emotional healing and Lightbody Activations. Together as a fabulous Divine Masculine and Feminine team, share their love of the Gnostic Holy Sophia. They are on a mission to raising consciousness on the planet and as a guide in helping us to reclaim ourselves as the fully realized Light Beings we are!  http://thelightofsophia http://thesophiaproject.net Learn more about Shanna and Sense of Soul www.senseofsoulpodcast.com You can watch this episode on Ethereal TV to soon!  

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Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Hey, it's Shanna. Today on Sense of Soul, I have two very special guests, Daniel Morse and Diana Kelly. Daniel Morse is a deaf psychotherapist and a Gnostic scholar. He's also the author of The Divine Spark Within, Excavating the Mysteries of Sophia and the Deep Christ. Diana Marie Kelly is a spiritual teacher, mentor, and healer. Diana is a teacher of the ancient holy womb chakra system, and she specializes in life-changing

emotional healing and light body activations. Both Dan and Diana have been a huge part of my Sophia journey. Together, they have taught beautiful courses on Sophia, and I have learned so much from both of them. And it's my honor today to have them with us to bring to you Gnosis of the Holy High, Sophia. Hi there, Shanna. How are you doing? We're good. Really good. A lot of my listeners have probably heard both of your individual episodes, but Dan, it's been a long time since I've had you on.

So just to remind everybody who you are, I had you on, gosh, it's probably been almost two years ago. Fairly shortly after my book was published. Yeah. And you got one of the earlier copies. I did. You're right. The page popped out on you from the bridal chamber. And it was great because it was like, yeah, maybe you shouldn't read all that other stuff. You know, just get to the heart of it. So yeah, so Dan Morris in Northern California, grew up in the East Coast in

Massachusetts. And we both have fled, Diana and I have both fled the East Coast to come to the land, to the wild, wild west here. And yeah, I've just been on a journey, I guess, a psycho-spiritual exploration of sorts where I professionally got into the depth psychology and Jung and went to the Pacifica Graduate Institute and became licensed and have been a therapist for many years. But then there's also this other sort of side to me where I kind of try to keep the two separate to some degree, because my spiritual side can be a bit out there. And I'm trying to maintain professional personas. But less and less, because the two are increasingly becoming intertwined. And since a younger age, having a real interest in the

name Sophia, as a sort of a generic goddess of wisdom, who I turned to as a sort of a beacon, where I wanted to hold on to the purity, might be a word, and the innocence that I experienced as a child. And that my connecting in on that deeper child self that is always there, it's not just a child, ultimately led me into studying the Gnostic texts, where the name Sophia was a kind of a guide into this excavation, as I call it, into the texts, the early Gnostic texts, but that also dovetail with the Kabbalah and also some of the Sufi and Persian mystical traditions. So my book is really an outcome of years and years of research and work. You know, I recently moved out of my storage shed and I've got all these old journals and papers

and I found an old book and it laid out the whole outline of the book just right there from like 10 years ago. So it's been, you know, incubating and working me. It's a living myth. The creation story of Sophia is a living myth that is just a tremendous meta story that I think is so relevant and so valuable in this times. The class that you did on Sophia, I heard you say, we need a new myth.

Joseph Campbell really was one during his talks with Bill Moyers many years ago, was saying we need a new myth. And that the myth is something that can unite us as a global village. I was doing some recent reading on Jung. and he's also saying that essentially the figure of Sophia is something that can, it's bringing an old story into the new. And life is literally is seeding the new, the new humanity, the new culture that we're so also working towards building here. Sophia is a very significant figure in the depth tradition that we can turn to. So, of course, Diana has her own very profound relationship to Sophia. Yeah, I love the dynamic between the two of you because you both have a piece of my brain, okay?

Because my need to know part, Jan, you have helped me and I definitely recommend your book because it's receivable. Like I could sit and read this whole book and get it and understand where I might have to go to thousands of books over here to get all of that information so it's all there and I love it thank you for that it all really well yeah I mean for me where I was at I mean it would it just helped my brain so much thank you and then Diana my spiritual side and experiences, I really connect with you. And I love that we kind of both came into this journey, as you know, from the class. And in 2014, when she came in to San Francisco, I went to my room in San Francisco, I felt like, you know, I have felt since that time, this responsibility to help seed her back into the psyche of humanity. And so that's what I, you know, want to succinctly call my mission,

but to be a voice for her. And that's here on this podcast and in many all small ways, big ways, whatever, wherever it's called. You know, and I also love you and Dan went on kind of a pilgrimage last year to France. And, you know, throughout your journey, all of those things kind of like bloomed when you were there in France. I was aware of that these images that are found on the earliest of the Gothic cathedrals around Paris seemed to suggest the creation story and the mythos of Sophia. That the coronation in particular was a motif that I think as far as we know arose out of these early Gothic cathedrals. There's no real earlier images of the crowning of the Virgin, as they call it, the coronation of the Virgin. And this sort of has led to a thesis and our exploration into

the role that the Templars had at the earliest stages of the development of these cathedrals and what they were tapped into, having come from Jerusalem, potentially with texts that are associated with this mystery tradition. And so, we were looking at the various cathedrals, especially around this coronation theme. And we went to Rheims Cathedral, the cathedral that many of the French royalty were crowned in their coronation to become kings. But we had this experience. Yeah, I had the experience of sitting in the seventh row from the back on the left while you're sitting looking at the altar and had the like a band I'll say feel like it was tightening around my head like a crown and then a burning on the inner interior a really like a bad sunburn it felt like I was getting and then

the energy began to move down but at that point I think by the time we left rhymes it maybe had moved down to a little bit below my heart chakra. And then I had different experiences going to different places until finally at Avebury in England, it went back. But there were so many peak experiences on that trip. I mean, with Shatra, the goal was to be walking the labyrinth. It's only open on Fridays and not every Friday. So we planned the trip around being able to walk that. But I just cried at Shatwa.

And right before that, we had been in London and we had gone to the first Templar church in England. Am I right about that? It was the Templars built their primary church and location in London that is now in the, it's called the Templar or the Temple, the Temple Quarter, the Temple Region of London. But there's a Templar church, it's a round church and there's effigies. And there's a whole story about the Templars coming to England right after, right around 1128, 1129 during this whole period after they came back from Jerusalem. And this is the beginning of the rise of the early Gothic cathedrals. Anyway, you were saying? So, you know, we were there first, and then we went to France, and we went to Chateau Cathedral.

And the impact, I was tapping into so much, but I think just great reverence and honor for the Templars for what they brought back from those excavations in Jerusalem and how all of a sudden after that, all these cathedrals started going up and having a lot of these images which were coded or encoded that primarily Dan was decoding. But, you know, it was so profound. And we spent, in that square, we spent like 48 hours, I think. We didn't leave for at least 36 or 48 hours. We just spent there. We didn't use the car or anything.

A shelter. Yeah, just like walking there in and out of the cathedral, watching, you know, all sorts of things and experiencing all sorts of things. But I think we were there 17 days. I think I cried 16, 15 years. The whole time. that there is lots of evidence in the architecture all around Europe and in these areas that the Templar had known about at least the Pista Sophia because it kind of shows the story in many ways. Yeah, it's essentially reverse engineering, seeing the images and beginning to sort of try to trace the story of what might

have happened. And there's no proof here. It's a thesis really, but the timeline seems to line up. Saint Bernard was a very key figure in Paris and in France as the primary bishop or cleric who was key in both the origination of this new architectural development called Gothic and the formation of the Templars. Bernard of Clairvaux was essentially the patron, the religious figure that helped to establish the Knights Templar. Just the origins of the Templar, really a group of people who were connected together by family that I think somehow got wind.

Once the crusade got into Jerusalem and the Christians sort of took over it from the Turks and they reclaimed it and then they could go there. The Templars, nine of them set themselves up in the Al-Aqsa Mosque area, and they were very likely doing these excavations for like nine years. They came back. And when they came back, there was a kind of an explosion of a renaissance that was spurred. And part of it was these Gothic cathedrals. And also, by the way, the Kabbalah. This is the region where in Troyes and the Grail legends, these were all being spurred out from this early 12th century.

And so it's the images that were put on the Gothic cathedrals, especially in the front entrances and the doorways and the tympanum, these archways. And they can posture as images to Mary, Mother Mary. But Mother Mary, we think, was a kind of a cryptic stand-in for Sophia. There's another theme, especially found on Notre Dame in Paris, the amazing, high, beautiful, gorgeous cathedral in Lille de Paris or Lille de France, the island in Paris there, and Notre Dame. And so, there's two figures, a synagogue and Ecclesia. And synagogue is a very dramatic image, you know, supposedly representing the failure of Judaism. And she has a woman and her crown has fallen and she has a snake wrapped around her head. And with the snake's head on top of her head on her crown chakra hissing,

she's looking down. And then on the other side of this doorway, this central west portal, the main entrance to Notre Dame is Ecclesia, you know, it's supposed to represent Christianity and, you know, the rise of the church and the triumph of the church. So she has her crown on, she's holding a grail, a chalice, she has the staff. And we think that based on a reading and a sort of unpacking of that whole central doorway that it's the Christ emerges from the region of the right down into the region of the left to rescue the fallen Sophia who's been trapped by the iconic snake reptilian or whatever, you know, that the lion headed snake figure that is talked about in the texts and that she is restored and rescued. And we think that the Templars knew this story, and that they were cryptically, you know, sort of weaving it in

in a way that it could wasn't easily decoded. And yet, it's so here we are, that actually to decode it is an incredible validation of the value, the significance of this mythos of Sophia and the Christ Sophia, who are the, who is the Christ and Sophia and all excised out of the Bible and Christianity. Just, they said, no,

we don't want any of that. And also the guy who translated the Dead Sea Scroll, he also saw texts were actually coded in a way that they were used backwards. And that when the Knights of Templar had said, they asked him under terrible torture, who are you worshiping? They said Baphomet, which is Sophia in that code. Yeah, it was a code that they used to cryptically send messages. And some suggest there was one interpretation of the Baphomet, say a worship of some head that maybe is identified with Sophia. But I think it's also the Templars were really connected with Mary Magdalene

and the divine feminine, and they really were protectors and champions of the restoration of the feminine. You know, Dan, there's often times as well, and I think you shared a picture when you guys were there, I don't know which church, but a lot of times goddesses and also gods in many different cultures are standing on top of a lion. Right, right. Yeah. Which, of course, in the Sophia myth, Yaldabaoth. I think we have to be very careful as we're delving into ancient goddess traditions. I have to say that there is an episode on Gaia focusing on the Gnostics, and we're very uncomfortable with the conclusions that they draw and the approach that they take in delving into the Gnostic themes, because they go into the Sumerian texts. And they're saying the Sumerian texts sort of preceded

and are feeders for this Gnostic tradition. And based on my understanding that the Sumerian texts with Enki and Enlil and Inanna and the lion, this goddess in this tradition is often sort of has a lion and the goddess connected with the lion on the gates of Babylon, I think is there's Christ came from such a tremendously high level of source creation, you know, his Christ self, his high self was so highly connected, he was seeing it on a whole other level, beyond the Sumerians, whoever the Sumerians were, you know, three, 4000, 100,000, and whoever they were with their ziggurats, and that cosmology of the Sumerians feeding into the Greek cosmology in the 12 of the Pantheon, and all of that is different from the high holy pranoya, the source goddess, Holy Spirit emanation, and the consort of Sophia and Christ, and the seeding of the

divine form that this cosmology seems to have originated from this deep Christ, I call him, this Christ figure who's spoken about in the Gnostic texts in a much more elaborate way yeah so i think we have to be careful when talking about imagery associated with the goddess in this gaia tv show they're like they showed they quote unquote have sofia linked with this sort of reptilian goddess figure and it's like whoa wait whoa wait a minute no let's let's hold slow down here it was surprising to see for me too because that's not my experience and i'm sure it's not your experience right you know i watch things and i do it just to find out you know what people say or whatever but when it comes down to like philo sofia the lover of sofia it is a deep love that i have and i know that you share that as well. Yeah. And there's a lot of

people I'm sure who have negativa, which is something we talked about in the class that you guys held that negativa, which is also a lesson learner too. Sure. Absolutely. It all is right. All the cauldron for firing of the diamond. I think Diana's voice is working to anchor this Sophia energetic and this Sophia vibration here. And we've had the pleasure of being part of different ceremonies and classes and recently the Easter ceremony where Diana called in Sophia. Tell me. Tell me.

Tell me. Does she have a message for us? Yeah. And I know I said this before we actually got started. I do feel that there's just so much going on. We're at such a critical point on the planet. During this Easter service, which Christine Michaels puts on, she was also in the planet. During this Easter service, which Christine Michaels puts on, she was also in the

class. But what I said was my original message from her, my first message from her had to do with what she said was people will need their mother in ways that we cannot yet understand. And this is 2014. So here we are 10 years later. I was left, even though she didn't specifically say, you know, sometimes, and I'm sure you're familiar with this, like, I almost feel like I get an impression. It's not so much the words, it's like what I'm left with. And she seemed somber. And the impression I felt was that it was going to have something to do with the three Abrahamic religions in the Middle East. And here we are, right? And I don't think that any of us as bad as things are, the Middle East has been a region of in crisis for literally

1000s of years. But this is like a new level that we're in. I feel on the one hand, I see it as a ground zero for the awakening or breaking hearts open of humanity. And on the other hand, it's like, it's so much suffering. It's so intense that I want to say, can we hurry up? Can we hurry this up and get this process over with? So more, we don't have to keep suffering this and especially the people that are there on ground zero really going through the suffering. So, yeah, so it's the mother that is the common ground between the three Abrahamic religions. Yes.

Mother Mary, definitely. I mean, at least between Islam and Christianity, Mother Mary figures prominently in Islam. In each of the three monotheistic religions, the mother has been, we've become disconnected from the mother. So hence, we have patriarchal gods, you know, Yahweh, and then, you know, and Allah, where in the name of God, atrocities are there all over. And we have to be very careful talking about this because people's relationship to God is so important. And each person, of course, has their own right and their own relationship. It's a very source. And she is found in the Shekinah of the Jewish mystical tradition. She is found in the Sufi and the Persian Ishmaelian Gnostic system that's promoted so beautifully by Henry Corbin in his books and Ibn Arabi. There's, Sophia is so strong in there.

And then of course, in the Christian tradition, Sophia, you know, we have to sort of like dig down earlier phases of it to sort of reclaim her. But then there's also in the Old Testament wisdom, you know, who is wisdom? And I think the Song of Songs, an article on my website, sophiaproject.net, analyzing and unpacking the Song of Songs, where it's the Shulamite who's longing for her Lord, you know, her light of lights. And they superimpose that it's Solomon. But I think it feels very, it's part of this whole, I think,

this flourishing of a new myth that emerged out of first century. Wow. Okay. So Diana and I had talked one time about flame of the dove because you have even this vision of this and you know it kept coming up even the different symbolism that has represented Sophia, even the owl, because you guys mentioned you guys have an owl that's been hanging out with you. You know, she's kind of that goddess of the night that navigates in the dark, you know, in Dan's book, that divine spark, right, within all of us.

And there's so much wisdom within all of these allegories. But they're playing out in today's world, which is what I find pretty amazing. I mean, I'm finding, you know, just my simple accounts in the backyard end up being something I found, like I had sent you in the alchemical marriage, you know, totally explained experience I had. And so this is happening. And I don't think it's just happening to me. I just think that I was aware and I'm fortunate to have sense of soul and be seeking in the way that I am that I come across this information, but I'm thinking that a lot of people, if they're able to be present, might also start to see that the divine feminine Sophia is trying to really come into all of our minds and in our hearts. Absolutely. And I think you did make a

reference to one of the things that I did see regarding the Middle East was the flames above the heads and that there was a certain number of people that had to have the flames before this conflict can resolve. There's something like I'm going to call it a heart-mind wisdom, Sophia, you know, and it was, they were being, the flames were being put on by a dove in my vision. Which corresponds to the Pentecost. Yes, which does, it on by a dove in my vision. Which corresponds to the Pentecost. Yes, it's a very classic Pentecost. Paul's experience where the flames came to the heads of each person.

Right, right. As the dove did. Yeah. This is like a critical time and we all know that. And, but I do think it's like, in a sense, Sophia can come through the, the grief, the heartbreaking. Yeah. True.

I know. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. Cause I think there's a lot of people who like reach out to me. What is this? Is this really a possibility that there was a goddess and we were, you know, kept from knowing this? And I'm like, yeah, there questions and are starting to, I mean, my whole household now is a believer of Sophia and my most tough ones around here. You know, it's one thing to read about it in books, but when you start to experience it, there's lots of synchronicity and also hidden in plain sight. That's, I guess, what I see as well. It's like everywhere all of a sudden. That's where this poem by Mirabai, Mirabai Star about the Shakina is so powerful.

Oh my gosh. Was that the one you sent me? I was crying. Yeah. And I had just gotten home. My car almost broke down. I had to come home. And I was sitting on the couch just like taking a breath because I was so aggravated. I couldn't go to my doctor's appointment. You sent that and I just start listening and I just start just like letting it all go. And I just felt better. I felt at home. I think I even said to you and I just started just like letting it all go. And I just felt better. I felt at home.

I think I even said to you and I just start crying. You know, it is almost like that feeling like when you've had a bad day and you just want to run into your mom's arms. Yeah, I've been playing it. Well, when I was actually driving, I believe. I mean, I stopped. I was stopped at a red light, and I was like, I have to send this to Shana now. Like now.

This is where the Shekinah and the Sophia are so intertwined, or there's so many cross references between the two. And I think Mirabai is presenting the more of the classic Jewish interpretation, but it feels like it's been infused with some Kabbalah. The medieval surge of Kabbalah has some beautiful references to Sophia the feminine. That's really where the feminine Shekinah begins to take hold. And the idea of the indwelling presence,

light of the divine within us, that's so parallel to the divine spark within. Sophianic sparks and the Jewish cosmology of the scattering of the shards of light in creation that became the Sephirot, the lowest of which, the Malkuth, in this world, is this feminine presence of the divine light here within us that we are being called to reactivate.

And the idea of tikkun, at least in the Luriak Kabbalah, is associated with the regathering of the sparks. In the path of that feminine and masculine on the tree of life, and moving up kind of Jacob's ladder, and then to the Ein Sof, which, I mean, obviously, Sof, Sophia. It's half of Sophia, right? And so if being equated with the monastic tradition, the ineffable source out of which came this great emanation. So we have behind us this on the video. Yeah, tell me about that. Rose window of Shaltra. Yeah.

If the Templars were onto this cosmology, that this is the great emanation. And in the middle is Mary with the divine child or the anthropos. And Diana had a very powerful experience with that particular window. Yeah. Before going to Shatra, I was doing some breath work. And during the breath work session session I saw that window move and it just went like right and everything just moved like all the pieces moved around but I was seeing it through like a water and then then when they all came back together the water was gone and I

was seeing it clear like you might look at a reflection. This is over your heart? Over my heart, right. But when I shared the experience with Dan, he said that often the Pleroma, which is shown, is depicted by water, which is kind of like it differentiates like heaven and earth, let's say, the different realms. So it helped me to understand what was happening. So at first I'm looking down on my own heart, seeing the image, but it's like you would look at a reflection in water.

And then the water, when that happened, the water was gone. So it was clear. So somehow, perhaps, yeah, that the water as an indication of a boundary. Right. It's either Anna moved into the Pleroma, you know, or the great emanation came through the boundary from the high holy heaven down into this lower dimensional world, into her heart. I love that.

It was really. You must, I mean, you guys are so lucky to have each other. I know. I mean, because like he gets to, you're like, yeah, that's exactly what happened. Exactly. So many times. And I'll be just saying something. Oh, and then this happened.

And he'll be like, well, that's, you know. I could tell Dan's like experiencing it with you though, the way he speaks of it as well. Yes, yes. Yeah. So, and then at Gothic cathedrals, there are these waves that are the, you know, and they mark boundaries in these images, in these, you know, these illustrations, these sculptures on the front of these early Gothic cathedrals. It's a prominent theme. And of course, I don't know, it's like, it goes into God seeing the image, man in the waters. It's in the Old Testament, but the Gnostic tradition sort of brings much more focus and clarity in terms of what the waters mean. Particularly this idea of the 13th aeon as a boundary between the high regions of pure zones of light and the region in which Sophia came in what it seems to be her process of seeding this lower region with vessels, creating vessels, physical beings, a species perhaps, in which children of the light, these high holy

beings can reside, can come into this dimensional reality. Okay. See, that's why I think it's important for you guys to teach this, talk about this. I'm hoping that you're going to write a book together and talk about this. I mean, please, please do. But I mean, because this is the thing. People can go and read and it can be very dark, the things they read. Or it could be very confusing. Very, very confusing.

Very foreign. Right. It hasn't been touched by a gazillion kings and popes and many people it's very hard to read and you can go all kinds of crazy places with pistosophia specifically and actually even you know the apocryphon of john i mean many of the text so you know which i was thankful for to have dan on because i'm thinking what in the heck you know jesus is talking some crazy shit in here about you know but obviously mary magdalene was a huge part of the story also you know another one you know her story hidden her, you know, her story hidden, her story, you know, absolutely fabricated into whatever it's been.

I mean, my mom recently, just last year, I still thought Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. Wow. And so, yeah. And so we tell the story while we just relate to what we've been told, you know. So it was really hard. It's hard to read the Gnostic Gospels from a Catholic put the word heresy on the map, you know, in second, third century. Even the word gnostic is just, you know, it's just sort of makes people curdle. And they don't even know why. And yet, gnosis, you know, is the word that really is the seed in a word meaning kind of inner knowing or coming to an awareness through not just mental process, but through feeling and intuition or connection with the divine. And in my book, I do

work to try to bushwhack my way through Christian history to get to where it appears that the actually the Gnostic system was probably more original, closer to the original teachings of Christ that became packaged and developed in the Orthodox system in the late first century, and of course, you know, the second and third centuries. And you can see how it was shaped by the heresiologists and where Peter became the primary anchor and focus for the Orthodox tradition. And that they marginalized anything having to do with Sophia, having to do with Gnosis, having to do with the unknown God. And it was a campaign to essentially cut out anything that would compromise and interfere with the Orthodox system. That was what we know. Jesus was the simple carpenter and born in a manger and had no education.

And he had three years of ministry and then he died. That's a story we've inherited that has a lot of significance and a lot of meaning. And yet it appears that there's a whole lot going on. And I think we have to grow to step out, you know, to become more mature and not just rely on these simpler tales that have been packaged for us. So what I think is beautiful is, Diana, you've received. I mean, you didn't seek any of this either. So I think it's very amazing, you know, that it's a lot like my journey. I didn't seek any of it either, but you've received these beautiful gifts of how you can use this gnosis. And I've always heard the word gnosis. You know, other people, it scares.

I'd be like, oh, I love that word. And I have beef with Peter. I totally have beef with Peter. I got to use my voice and say that. But, you know, you did an attunement, you know, in the class that I was in, you and Dan's class. And I mean, I was taken out, out of my body. I mean, but I could just listen to you and go out and go there as well. I don't know how Dan stays conscious with you.

Well, maybe, you know, maybe we can, I don't know. Like it really is about the energetic and we want to hold the energetic and maybe we can just take a moment yes the gathering of voices is music to my ears. Speaking me into existence, into hearts

by just saying my name. Being willing to be courageous and brave and ruffle feathers to bring me to my children.

My children who have been orphaned. Intentionally. They are beginning to hear. One by one. They are becoming aware of what's been lost to humanity. And to see how it became possible to get so out of balance. You are each here. And those listening doing your part answering my call

even though it may not seem like a huge undertaking at this moment, the implications are unfathomable. this will be a huge piece of bringing humanity back into balance within themselves with each other, with the planet. And it is a very high calling. My blessings and love

and flame on each of you. Thank you. Yes. on each of you thank you yeah thank you so much so much wind i don't know if you guys heard it like so much that my door was shaking my curtains and then like as you came to an end it it got very still. And I was like, what is going on? And then you know, what came to my mind, Diana, was there's a storm brewing. Oh, wow. Yes. There is a thunderstorm brewing. Yes. And you know, my thunder experience. I think I've shared that. Right. And we also did have another experience of having rain that wasn't present in on the,

on towards the end of a podcast that we were interviewing. That's right. Yeah, I shared that with you. Yeah. So that's just how, that's how she, yeah. I mean, it sounded like rain or a rain stick, maybe, you know, that we get varying degrees of softness and heaviness. Sound wasn't able to be edited out. Yes, yes.

Person editing had all kinds of equipment and is very used to this, could not get it out. So this is the Revelation Project. Revelation Project with Monica Rogers. But what is the connection between, well, you know, of course, Thunder Perfect Mind, which is one of my favorite scriptures ever. Is there other references or what is the connection between? You know, because after you guys, we talked about this in your class, I thought back. There were some crazy thunderstorms that were happening that entire first year of me discovering Sophia, but I never, I didn't know anything about it, the connection until other people start talking about it. Cause Monica, she also had an experience

with thunder, a thunderstorm. So yeah, I think if my, if I hadn't had an experience with thunder, a thunderstorm. So yeah, I think if my if I had had an experience with a thunderstorm, I probably would have never even thought to mention it. I was on a personal silent retreat at a ashram. I was actually Sri Aurobindo and the mother's ashram here. They have a small one here in California. And there's four hours of work a day and then plenty of time to read and study all their teachings and everything. And so that night, it was right, right, like pretty much at the stroke of midnight, I hear like the loudest thunder you could ever hear, then I hear you are embodied. And then there were a few other things, you know, personal to me, but the next day I did break my silence because I was like,

this storm was so crazy. Like it's crazy. The other people weren't necessarily in silence. I'm like, nobody's talking about this. And they're like, what storm? What storm? And I was like, okay, that was a whole other thing. Yeah. So they didn't hear the thunder. It was just this. So yeah, I wonder if we can actually just mention like, what is your, like, how do you receive the message how does how does Sophia's voice come to you do you call it channeling oh yeah so I've never liked the the term channeling so so this is another interesting thing because I do feel like she's here and yet she's here so I I think I think I mentioned this before to you, but I feel like it's what the

French would call a tête-à-tête. It's a conversation. And it's also like, I'm kind of, it's hard, it's hard to say it's, it's coming through me. And yet, like, so I try, I get out of the way to what's to be said. And then, but I did pray before we got on here that I'd be open to whatever she's wanting. Yeah. So it's not an overriding of her own will or her own voice. It's very much of a, it seems like Sophia is very gentle and sensitive to Diana having her own voice.

Right. And that Sophia can come through Diana, but it's not, and she comes and goes, and it's not like she can just sort of, okay, I'm going to channel Sophia right now. You know, it's kind of not quite like that. And so it's more subtle and it's more beautiful because I think because it's honoring Diana's work in the world. And it's not wanting to drown that out with this, oh, big channeling thing. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's so beautiful. It feels very more integrated. Yeah. So awesome. I remember the first time I talked to Dan, he mentioned, he was like, you got to meet this lady, Diana. He's like, because did remember experiencing was like in church before, like when you feel the Holy Spirit come through. And now I really, truly believe Sophia. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I believe, you know, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Yeah. She is. you know father son holy spirit yeah she is yeah well that trinity probably more likely came out of the gnostic tradition the gnostics talk about the trinity far more than the bible there's one very slight reference to the trinity in the bible but in the gnostic cosmology the Holy Spirit is equated with pronoia of the thought. Pronoia means sort of thought that is coming from mind, the masculine. And the Holy Spirit, the dove, and Sophia, the high Holy Sophia, seem to all sort of correspond to each other. You know, Sophia can be a beacon and a guide and a support

and a focus of anchoring ourselves outside of the archonic system. That's certainly one thing. But we don't want to lose ourselves in the way we have for the last three thousand whatever years we give our power over to some deity out there you know yeah actually this is the incredible part of this cosmology is is that we have within us this spark which is latent, it's somehow, it's concealed. It's somehow, you know, it's in potential. And we are being called to give fuel to that, to blow air onto that spark. And the spark is the light of the High Holy Spirit, the great emanation, the pranoyma. And the miracle is that we do have this.

But according to the Gnostic system, we've been shrouded from that. We've been told that we don't have it. And it's a threat. No, power is within. And yet, it's in our humble relationship to source that we can also hold to the inner light and bring those two into sort of sympathetic resonance. And that's where we can begin to sort of access the wisdom within in a greater way. There's no dogma. There's no, there's no one book.

There's no, yeah, I see. I'm totally feeling what you're saying, Dan. And thank you for saying that we don't want to go right back into giving it all the way to a book or many books or one god or one priest or priestess because the whole message is to find the divine spark within right there's a beautiful quote from jung about

insofar as we're not able to essentially own our divine child self, you know, that child self, insofar as we're not able to bring that into ourselves, we need to project it outwards. And even if it takes, you know, 2000 years of projection onto the Christ child, that no, no, we need to bring that in. We need to redraw our projection of the divine figure of Christ, Mary Magdalene or whoever, whatever divinity we lose our power to. And yet, of course, Mary Magdalene is a wonderful mentor. It's not against her at all. She's incredible. She's bringing so much to our culture now.

Much more than Peter. Yes. He picked on her in the Gnostic Gospels, okay? A lot. Dan, tell everybody where they can get your book because it's definitely worth getting. If anyone is curious, it's a great, well-rounded book for information when it comes to the history and for the love of Sophia. So probably the best just central receiving area website is sophiaproject.net. Sophia, S-O-P-H-I-A project.net.

And that's my main webpage. And on that, you can have links to the book. You can get my book through Amazon or through, you can order it through local booksellers. And then there's lots of articles on the webpage that refer to a sort of background research articles that relate to the book and also a blog and events and things. Yeah, or events or other things that we're doing, classes. Yeah. Yeah, I can't tell you how and I hope our listeners just felt that you brought forth in that space. And Dan, you always hold this space for Diana and for Sophia so very strongly. And I just, I freaking love you both so much.

It's not even funny. I am. I feel so fortunate to be able to know you and to call you up. If I, if I have any weird questions about doves or whatever, Diana, where can they find you? And what,

like if someone wanted to work with you or if someone wanted to learn more about the things that you do work, can they go? So lightofthesophia.com is my website. And I do work with people individually doing, you know, mentoring, spiritual mentoring, healing. Yeah. The womb chakra healing chakra i've been to india received things there thailand so yes but her sweet spot my sweet spot yeah you know is energy healing work yeah and she does it online as well as in person. And she works with people in recovery. Yes. And very powerful activations. And the ampoula and the crowning ceremony that she does is very powerful.

Yeah. Thank you. Yes. Yes. You guys are so neat. Can you imagine your conversations? They are amazing. Well, I'm glad that Sophia brought you two together.

And just that actually there's very few people that we really like fully connect with around Sophia. And when we talk about it, your name is like right there at the top of the list. You're so, you know, your own personal journey with her and also your work with your Patreon podcast collection. Yeah. And your journey is tremendous. Absolutely. And we would really, you know, encourage people to turn to you for inspiration and insight into Sophia. Yeah. Oh, my goddess.

Thank you so much for being with me. It's been a pleasure. It's fun. Absolutely. Yes. All right. Love you both. Okay.

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