Sense of Soul - Harmonizing the Divine Masculine and Feminine

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

Today on Sense of Soul we have  Rachael Jayne Groover International Speaker, Spiritual Mentor, Expert in Mindfulness & Meditation, Best-Selling Author of Powerful and Feminine and Divine Breadcrumbs. She is also the Founder and CEO of The Awakened School, a program that helps world-changers create their vision through cutting-edge educational experiences.
The fundamental aims of all of Rachael Jayne’s programs and presentations are to accelerate spiritual awakening, presence, lasting peace and to raise global consciousness. She is the creator of the Art of Feminine Presence® and Art of Masculine Presence™ training which has been taught worldwide by herself and more than 300 certified teachers.
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Hello, my soul-seeking friends. It's Shanna. Thank you so much for listening to Sense of Soul podcast. Enlightening conversations with like-minded souls from around the world, sharing their journey of finding their light within, turning pain into purpose, and awakening to their true sense of soul. If you like what you hear, show me some love and rate, like, and subscribe. And consider becoming a Sense of Soul Patreon member, where you will get ad-free episodes, monthly circles, and much more. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sense of Soul, I have Rachel Jane Groover. She's an international speaker, a spiritual mentor, an expert in mindfulness and meditation,

a best-selling author, and she is the founder and CEO of The Awakened School, a program that helps world changers create their vision through cutting-edge educational experiences. Rachel Jane's programs and presentations are to accelerate spiritual awakening, presence, lasting peace, and to raise global consciousness. She's joining us today to tell us about her newest book, Unshakable Inner Peace. Get off the mental and emotionalercoaster for Good. Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm super excited to hear your story. And if you want to start telling us where you're from, obviously you have a beautiful accent. Thank you. Yes. Well, I am from Melbourne, Australia originally. So that is the accent. And I've now got 23 years of living in the US. So my husband always says you got to go back to Australia more often and brush up on the accent because you're losing it. And but I have my sister here right now. She's hanging out. So I'm brushing up in that way. But yeah, I lived in Melbourne, grew up there.

And I just loved spiritual development and personal growth from a very, very early age, which was great. But it was also very hard because when you're trying to have conversations about, you know, how you create your own reality and God and spirituality. And you're watching Oprah in Australia before anyone even knows what, who Oprah is. And, you know, it was hard because people would say like, who do you think you are? You know, having these talks because I was, you know, 16, 17, 18, really, really interested in those kinds of things so I had some just feeling like I did not fit in that I was different and and I was you know I mean most people were just drinking and smoking weed and whatever at you know high late high school and then through the 20s I tried to kind

of be normal but that never worked and I, what drew me over to the US was how much personal and spiritual development and conversations and courses and programs and teachers were here. And there really wasn't anyone back then. And we're talking 2001 when I decided that I was going to move. So it's a long time ago and there just was nothing. So that was a big reason why I moved. And the other reason why I moved was because I really wanted love and I was having a very hard time attracting a beautiful, romantic, passionate partnership in my life. I just had terrible luck with guys and it just wasn't working and I felt the intuitive pull that my man was living in America

and so I was like okay I'm gonna head over there and you know a lot of times people say oh my gosh that must have taken so much courage I was like that's the least amount of courage that I've ever done. I mean, I have had to pull up my courage pants way more since moving countries, not knowing anyone because I wanted to escape. I wanted to try something new. I felt stuck in Australia at that time and just needed something fresh. That was really exciting. But when we got here, when I got here, everyone was saying, just do what you love and the money will follow and just do your spiritual work and become a coach and all these things that were so new back then. And I'm like, okay, okay. And I did. And the money didn't follow. I didn't know what I was doing. I had previously been a singer full-time. That was my

career in Australia. And so I'm like, okay, I'm not going to sing anymore. I'm not going to teach voice or music or stop my songwriting. I'm going to become a coach, just a spiritual mentor, whatever you want to call it. I was making $350 a month for the first two years of living, going through every part of my savings. I was living in a volunteer house. It

was not a level of abundance. So I know what it's like to really want to start something and make a difference. And it'd be really difficult to do that if you're trying to make it as your career or as your job or as your business. And so through that, I learned that I've got to really learn to get people's attention. And I wasn't very good at that. I was good at that if I was on a stage, but I wasn't good at that any other time, definitely not with the men that I wanted to attract and, you know, always had good friends, but they would

blow out a lot of the time, like what happened there? And I'd feel abandoned a lot of the time and all of that kind of thing. And so, yeah, it was realizing that I wasn't very good at sending a signal that I wanted people to see me as. There was some disconnect. And in coaching, it's like authority, learning how to own your authority and relationship, at least with the masculine, strong, confident counterpart that I was trying to attract. I needed to be in my feminine, which I was not. And so that really led me down the road. I think it's for everyone. Our own curiosity or confusion, you know, what the hell is going on here leads us to our biggest revelations. So once I started really learning the feminine presence work

that I taught in Art of Feminine Presence in the book Powerful and Feminine, that was really the first work that I got well known for. We've had 13,000 women go through that program. We've been in many different countries. And so that was so healing for me. I met my husband, so much changed from me being in my feminine. And then I think the other part was understanding how to be in my yin but also in my yang as I was trying to build a career as a thought leader and as someone who could impact a lot of lives. That's not just about being, oh, I'm in my feminine right now. It takes a lot, as you know, right? As you know.

And the last six years has really been about sharing my story of spiritual awakening. And even though I've been on the path for a long, long time, something happened in 2018 that really changed everything. It was a year of immense and profound deep spiritual awakening that stuck. I'd had blissful, ecstatic moments of seeing and oneness and all of that before, but it would always kind of snap back into, oh, now you're back in your little trigger world and comparison world and all of that. And it really, that whole suffering stopped in the 2018 because of some big things that happened. And so I'm really passionate about sharing that with people

because so often people think it's not, oh, I can't do that. You know, it's for that guru. It's for all men, you know, or like I was just thinking I've got to go to India and meditate for 1,100 years or I've got to go through many lifetimes to be anointed for this liberation of the mind and of the body always being on alert or being triggered by other people. And found out that I just was very mystified about the experience of what awakening or

enlightenment or end of suffering actually meant. And through my last book called Unshakable Inner Peace, it was this conversation with this guidance of voice that was telling me all the ways that even though I'd been teaching it for a long time, I was missing some big key points, and that's why it wasn't really sticking in a way. And I don't know if those words relate to you or your group, but your listeners of moving through the gateway of, yeah, we're on a growth path and we love this conversation, but we still know something hasn't

completely dropped in because the seeking mind's going and and the grasping minds going and that was all there it was loosening but then literally over about five six day period the mind went silent wow and it was a little discombobulating in the beginning because i'm an ambitious you know doer who and I'm like I'm not hearing anything like am I ever going to want to do anything ever again and just unpacking the ego as something's occurring that's obviously not the usual me the usual ego me this is so so interesting. I can relate. And I think that I spoke of this recently because we're constantly growing. We're students for life. And so it's so unpredictable of where you're going to go next, but there's yet always this next. And so I think the seeking, like you said, for myself, I was diehard seeking Sophia. In fact, that's even the name of my book is Desperately Seeking Sophia.

I was so in it, right? And my brain was constantly going, I was learning new things, and I was so like wowed. And then all of a sudden it stopped. It was almost like I was on this carousel and then all of a sudden it just stopped. And I was like, what? What's next? And I'm almost looking for the next and then realizing it is this space that is the next. Yes. And just to be in that space. And in the space, there is no next. It's the only place where there is no next. Because when we say, what's next?

What's next? You know, our mind, not us, the essence of us, but our mind is so conditioned for what's next. And we're in the space. It's only through that experience. Can we experience what people say of like, there's no time. There's no time is an illusion, you know know and there is linear time on this human plane but when you're in the space you know yeah there's no next and when you can hold that for you know longer periods of time

the mind can only disengage from that need for next the the need for it, the addiction for it. Right. I know. There's always this wanting to improve yourself, right, or wanting to be more worthy or wanting to have more information. It is so true. We're constantly seeking. And we are in a world where the balance between the masculine and feminine is so tricky, especially for women,

because we have to meet people where they're at and not many people are at that balance. Right, right. Exactly. And how do you witness a balanced person in the masculine and feminine? How does it look or feel to you? Right. You know what? Actually, that's changed. It's kind of interesting that you say that. I was challenged to write or to do some art for someone and it was to make a dragon. And she just wanted me to feel within and create this. And so I created this beautiful feminine dragon. I mean, she was so beautiful. She had flowers and she was glowing.

Wow. And I sent it to her and she loved it at first and came back about a month later. She goes, you know, I had this, I don't remember if it was just like an aha moment. And it's going to be a masculine robust dragon and I was like no really like no wait a minute and like okay okay you know she's you know she's the one who wants this and she says still I want you to feel into it but she did throw out some colors and so like I do it and I'm not really aligned with it I'm not really feeling to be honest with you like like I was almost angry I found like this anger inside of me I'll be honest it was very telling this was like a huge like lesson that I learned

so I create it and I send it to her and I even showed someone a listener who is a man and he was like well wow that's menacing looking and I was like really and I showed her one yes the masculine dragon I sent it to her and she goes well you got the robust part you know it was interesting because although she asked for a masculine, robust kind of dragon, I, right, made like a Putin dragon. I made this dominating, menacing-looking dragon. But she really, truly, if i would have thought about wanted a divine masculine dragon right this was her purpose you know this was something i had not thought

that i had this within me but that was very telling for me so i had to sit back i had to sit back. I had to get into that divine masculine energy and not the Hitler, Putin kind of dominating, you know, ego, masculine energy. And it was a totally different dragon. And it's interesting, you know, the robust word. And what was the other word she said? Masculine and robust. Masculine and robust. Masculine and robust. Right, right, right.

Yeah, like the robust or strength or power and all of that is so, it's been so linked to the masculine for so long. And such a fearful thing too. I just was feared of it. It made me scared. Right. Yeah. And that's like your aha of like, wow, there's a lot of energy there around the- How I perceive that. What the masculine is. And yeah. And for me, I mean, I've done a lot of healing around the

masculine. I think when I left Australia, it was very, you know, oh, guys are losers and this and that and blah, blah. No one's going to be able to meet me. And since meeting my husband and having amazing relationship with him and meeting friends, like a lot of my best friends are men. And they're just so beautiful. They're so beautiful that they're just as flowery as the but very in their masculine for sure and which is what I had to do you know yes you know I had to think of those men yes yes and you know what makes me as a woman robust is the flowers that you drew in the first one. That's robust to me.

Robust to me is flexible, joyful, not so attached to an outcome. Wow. You know, like if I can be that, I am way more robust than this has to happen you know this is what is going to work in my business this year or in my relationship or like it's softness and people don't realize that true power becomes more and more soft more and more soft, more and more soft, more and more spacious, whether you're a man or a woman. And so I have over the time, even though my first book is called Powerful and Feminine, which is exactly the reason now you're saying this, right? That's the reason is because people weren't putting them together, those two words. Like warrior goddess.

Yeah, yeah. Why does that have to be masculine? Why can't that be a powerful feminine aspect? Exactly, exactly. So that was the powerful and feminine was happening, but because in the spiritual awakening process, it's all about unwinding. it's all about unwinding. It's all about unwinding. It's not about contraction and robustness as far as, you know,

the muscles contracting and the mind contracting to focus on something. Like that's all earth suit stuff. You know, that's all human dimension, which is very important, right? We do want to get a stronger sense of self. But no true freedom is coming unless you lose the sense of yourself and that you need to be a certain way. Yeah, it's so amazing because had I not done that, I mean, I have been going around saying, oh, I understand the divine

masculine and feminine and that coexisting, but here deeply within me, unconscious to my knowing that came out and it was such a great teacher. Yes. Yes. And I often use in my work, the words yin and yang now instead of divine masculine, divine feminine or feminine masculine because- It's a lot shorter. Yeah, exactly. And people, they'll put all sorts of definitions still on what the divine feminine and what the divine masculine is. And to me, everything is part of the divine and the divine is moving through everything. So to kind of section it out, there's the feminine that's not divine

and the feminine that is divine, it's just never resonated with me, even though I feel the intention of why people use those words, like a real genuine intention of what they mean by that. But as I was teaching Art of Feminine Presence, which is the feminine work that I do, and now I do teach Art of Masculine Presence, which is one of my favorite, favorite things to teach in the whole year is the Art of Masculine Presence.

It's just me and a group of men doing the work. And it's so incredibly empowering to see them so thirsty for this kind of work that I've been doing with the women for like 13, 14 years, not thinking that really the guys would want to do this kind of work. But what I was seeing with the women is, yeah, they would say, oh, I've been told I'm in my masculine because I'm too direct or I'm too bossy at work or I'm too this or that. And I would look and be like, I am one of the most direct people I know. And would you call me in my masculine? They're like, no, not at all. It's just, it's a strength and I'm bossy when I need to be and not when I don't need to be.

And people would put ambition as masculine and not feminine. I'm like, what crap? You know, and it gets then people, which I saw women get very yin because they were in their divine feminine and now they're way too yin. Very little structure, very little ability to finish something, very little ability to focus. And so I like thinking in three levels, the pure consciousness or pure awareness, pure presence, which is not masculine or feminine, obviously, then yin and yang. And it's the balance of these two things in our life that we're wanting,

that happiness comes from that balance. That's why people are saying, well, how can I harmonize that masculine and feminine within me? It's because we know there's a balance. But there's another level which I would call masculine feminine, which is your sexual essence within your earth suit, as I like to call it. And I've got a female body with a dominant sexual essence as feminine. So when I'm in my feminine sexuality, just as an energy, energy running, where am I in my body, that kind of thing. But I'm in my feminine with a balance of yin and yang, oh man, the corners of my mouth are way up, right? But if I'm doing that balance from my masculine, the corners of my mouth are down.

So it's not actually just the balance of yin and yang. It's can you balance that out, know that you're not divine, feminine, or masculine, and also be in your dominant sexual essence, which is your life force, which is your vibrancy, which is your attractiveness, the magnetism, all of that. And it happens that when a woman who has a dominant essence of feminine, she's way more present when she's in her feminine sexuality, she's way more happy. She's way more connected to the room, connected to other people.

And the same thing is for men, that I do this exercise where everyone's in neutral, then they go to masculine, they go to feminine. And all the women, almost all, because there's always some women who are in a feminine female body, but they have a masculine essence. That's their dominant. Often gay, not always but most women who think oh i'm just naturally masculine aren't it's a shell it's it's a protective shell but there are some that's just that's what they are they're masculine is isn't is dominant but when we do

this practice you'll see all the women when it comes to the masculine, they all look angry and the men are like happy. They're just like walking around confident and happy and looking at the other guys. And the women are like, and then when we turn to the women and the feminine, the men are like, what? And the women are just, even if they had struggled with being in the feminine, they're like, I'm going to live in this place. So you're bringing them to a place where they're consciously deciding, I'm going to shift from masculine to sexual essence standpoint.

Not the yin and yang. So I'm not saying, you know, all be ambitious and flowy right now. Right, right, right. all be ambitious and flowy right now. It's just, we have this process where they can feel more into their body and their energy field. What feminine, how the feminine runs energy through that. And then how does the masculine run energy?

Okay. I don't know if I am more masculine or feminine. How do you figure that? Yeah. Do you, do you mean what your dominant would be and then how much? Yeah. So I I've just been doing it long enough to know that your dominance is definitely feminine. It is strong. Yeah. Okay. Right. strongly mother yeah okay right but no i'm not a mother it just doesn't it just it's not it's just most women go neutral or go masculine more than they need to because for all different reasons but no you are highly feminine so but you know what in the past few years though i've been heavy in the divine feminine because i've been studying the divine feminine which is probably a big part and what's interesting is i used to really call on

you know because this is all conditions right but i used to really call on anytime you're scared right you call on archangel michael you call on jesus and they've stepped back and i always because people would say oh you know don't you call an archangel i haven't really and actually the past few years i haven't called on any um angelic teams or anything i've really been just listening to my higher self but in that i connected more with the divine feminine than i ever have yeah and yeah i have no problem on calling on like a divine feminine energy for protection which is so not anything i would have done before yeah absolutely and just because someone has a dominant essence that is feminine doesn't mean they're embodying that or living that

okay right like i can just so it's two parts you know as you were saying like energy that you're putting off in the world exactly so so you're both you know you're definitely both your feminine is dominant and you express it you embody it you like it's not shut down where a lot of times a woman will come to art of feminine presence and it's shut down it is they are walking around neutral like asexual and you see it all over the place women particularly you know our the awakened school is our community and most of our clients would be like 40 plus. And so they've had a few decades to get the feminine beaten out of them, particularly at a time where it wasn't really honored back then. You know, if you think 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80, I've got a client.

It's kind of like, oh, that's not okay. Or it's not safe. It wasn't safe to be feminine because that would attract unwanted attention. First generation for single mothers. So next, we had single mothers for the first time prior to that. It was looked down upon if you got divorced. So all of a sudden the mother had to move into that masculine energy exactly exactly yeah yeah and in some ways it's not been politically correct to be too feminine true you know like oh floozy or a you know fly or whatever lots of different reasons why it's disconnected and so the work is to either

bring them out of that neutral habit or out of their masculine habit that is creating protection. It's all about protection. They're just protecting themselves in a way that's not making them happy. So because of these things that have been kind of, you know, that women have had to face in society and cultures, it's almost like this became genetic. You mean ancestrally passed down? Right. it's almost like this became genetic you mean energy necessarily yes down right yeah i mean i don't i i can't say for sure that i know that to be true that it's genetic but it would make

sense it makes sense for sure yeah because of the environment that you're in. So your actual epigenetics will conform to that. Yes, yes. But even if it didn't, the culture has told us this day after day after day after day after day. So either way, if it's both or just one, we have gotten whammed with weird definitions of what feminine is. True. And what masculine is. And what masculine is. Absolutely. Absolutely. Masculine has been criminalized big time. Most of my friends are white male. Some of them are African-American, but most of them are white male. One of them is Hispanic. And so the white

males are like, I just walk around the world right now, just waiting for someone to tell me I'm the problem of the universe, you know? And I'm like, that's just so sad because the men I'm staring at, I wish they were running the universe because they're amazing, you know? So it's just a weird time and hard for them as well. And I think people are listening going, huh, maybe I am more neutral. Maybe I'm more masculine. Maybe I'm more feminine. You want to make it practical to just ask yourself, what's not working right now?

What's not working? Is it something in a relationship with the masculine feminine that's not working? Is it your health that's not working? Is it your health that's not working? Is it your stress levels, your career, your ability to get people's attention, whatever it is, and work from there. And then you can, like we were saying before, if something's not going right, we usually really commit to our inner work. If it's just kind of learning, oh, yeah, yeah, reading this book and reading that book. And for me, it was the two main things in the beginning. It was, I don't have a man and I want one and I want an amazing one. And two, I want to build a business where it's easy to be seen and be remembered

and make an impact. And that wasn't happening either. So I used those two things to become a guinea pig of how do I become spiritually centered and magnetic to that which I want. And so all the practices that I now teach came from me being the guinea pig of going from that wasn't happening to that is happening on huge levels now that I never, ever dreamed about, never, ever dreamed about. For those listening who don't know me, I'm talking about going from $350 a month to we run a multimillion dollar a year company now. I've traveled the world many, many times. We just opened our own retreat space where we do many multi-day retreats there. And that was a big renovation of an old church in our Loveland area. And there's a lot going on that I never would have had the energy for,

never thought I had the life force for. I'm a massive introvert. So these practices really, really work because I'm the first one to go through them. And it just is night and day, the life I used to live to the life I live now. Where are you located? We live in Loveland. Perfect name. Colorado. Exactly. Oh my name Colorado exactly oh my god I'm just down the street from you I'm you know I'm in Aurora Aurora yeah that's so we took a church we took a downtown historic church and we renovated in it into a sacred space for our retreats and for our thing so it's called Casa Sagrada, which means sacred house in Spanish. I want to come see you. Oh, totally. I'll send you some dates and you'd be my guest. You would be totally my guest for one of our things. Yes. That's so lovely. Okay. That's exciting. But I never thought in a million years, you know, you're not really taught that the spiritual journey is about truly finding.

Well, you're not in Christianity. Let me go back. I was brought up Catholic. I was brought up Catholic, too. You understand that you're not taught this balance. You know, I mean, and the Mother Mary is the best you're going to get when it comes to feminine energy. Yes. And they've failed to tell her full story.

And so I just, and Mary Magdalene's, well, it's not big time, but I've been studying the Gnostic Gospels and that's really all it is, is the talk of like consorts and the crystal Sophia, that masculine and feminine coming together. And, you know, really having that dance of like Sophia's falls, and then Jesus helps her find her light, but she is the ultimate wisdom. And so there's like, there is like this dance that I was finding. And so it was something that just fell into me through ancient scripture, which is so amazing, which was Christian scripture. But yet it was taken out. So there's been so many things against us passed down from generation to generation

in society. And so I feel like there is this defensiveness that comes up that does end up being very masculine. And it is because we're having to push back and stand in our space. But can we say that that is not masculine? Can we say that this stance that we're taking, the new voice that we have is a feminine voice? And what would be the difference between a distorted masculine voice from a feminine and a standing in your power voice like you have? I mean, I feel like you're the perfect example of that. Well, thank you. And I think it's the difference. We think of the defending, you know, we need to be able to defend and we need to be able to allow in. And so that's why I love again,

going back to yin and yang. How can I as a person defend so strong when I need? Mother bear. Exactly. And how can I allow in so strongly when I do that? You asked about what's the distorted voice the distorted voice of of defense and strength and all that is is power over and you better listen to me and that's not working and so versus asking clearly what you want focusing on what you want not focusing on what you want, not what you don't want, and being able to ask clearly from that place that honors the other person of who you're asking or who you're saying that that's not okay or that that's not there. You're making, yeah, a clear boundary, but not tearing them down at the same time. And I do a lot, I do a lot of shadow work,

have done a lot of shadow work for myself, where if I feel like I'm going into a distorted voice or, you know, like it feels tense, whether it's masculine or feminine, it feels contracted, it feels tense, it feels trying, you know, and that can look all sorts of ways, trying too hard and smiling and, you know, flatter everybody or trying, and that can look all sorts of ways, trying too hard and smiling and flatter everybody or trying too hard on the, like, you need to do this for me now, otherwise you're gone or whatever. Anytime that contraction happens, I know there's a shadow that I'm not really aware of. And the

shadow for those of you that may not be aware of that word is just the unconscious parts of your personality that you don't really like and you don't want to be. None of us really want to be angry. None of us really want to be overly bossy. So every time that contraction happens, I'm like, what am I being? And it would be defensive or critical or insensitive or something like that. All these words I don't want to be, of course, but I had to pull and go, okay, well, what's the virtue of defensive? Well, yeah, there's many times I need to be defensive. What's the virtue and the gift in being insensitive? I'm not going to take on everybody's stuff all the time, which I was doing.

And I would work through that a lot. I called it the shadow of the month, and I would pick one every month, and I was really dedicated that for over a decade, cleaning up my stuff. Because if that's not triggering and that's not contracting i don't have to try to be the voice of presence and feminine strength right yeah which is so almost going the opposite direction right okay so this is so funny so just this morning and you know how cold it is because you're in colorado yes i i opted to put my trash out this morning instead of last night because I was so tired. So, which is really funny because I used to feel like that was a masculine job. We have roles and that was not a woman's, but so I'm over that though.

But just saying that I did it this morning. And so it was freezing, but the dogs were like, you know, I want to come out too. And I'm too cold to stay out here by myself. So I'm like, oh my gosh. So I sitting out there freezing and, you know, I'm very connected to the nature outside and to the birds and the trees. And I talk about them all the time And I see this huge shadow and I'm just assuming, and I'm assuming it was one of the big hawks or maybe even owl, how big it is. And I don't know what made it so big, but then I'm looking at the tree because it finally lands. It's just this tiny little freaking bird. And I was like, wow. and that's what came up for me I love how nature is such an amazing teacher but I sat there and thought about that shadow self it was

like so scary and I thought it was a predator yes and then there it was sitting on the tree just this happy little tiny bird and it was so yeah this is how I look at it yeah we could just look at it go oh it's only you're just a happy little bird you're not this and it's hard when you're looking at the show because it's not just the psyche but it's the body and it's the nervous system. And a lot of the work that we teach is very about embodiment, nervous system, unwinding, unwinding the patterns, because if it's just unwinding the mind, it doesn't really fall all the way. And so what happens when I'm looking at a shadow, my body just howls.

I feel sick to my stomach. I'm like, really? I am that? Oh God, I am. And so it's like, so I don't want to feel that. I don't want to feel that. I don't want to go there in my mind and I don't want to feel it. And you've got both of those now shaking. It's easy to just go, oh, okay. Don't need to look at that yeah and isn't it funny because that's exactly how I felt at first when I saw that big shadow across my yard I'm like you know all kinds of things like the dogs you know I mean I didn't know coming in low and then when I look and it's just this tiny little bird I was like my body relaxed okay it's a happy little bird. So funny. It's so true. You know, I saw this on your Instagram and I saw that, I know that Bodie Aldridge, he follows you. Yes. Do you know Bodie? Oh my God. I love him so dearly. Oh, wow. I had him on. I had so much wonderful feedback from my listeners,

but he only works with men pretty much. Yes. I really wanted to put that out there, the divine masculine. I felt like he was such a beautiful example of that. Yes. You are from Australia. I'm like, what's going on in your water? Yes, exactly.

You're like Bodhi. You remind me of him. Well, that's a huge compliment. I will tell him that. I speak to him usually once every couple of weeks. He's just amazing. He lives there on the ocean and is an amazing spiritual teacher and works with men. And he knows all of the art of feminine, art of masculine presence practices.

And there's a big integration in the work that we do. But he's with the men, which is really phenomenal. Oh, my God. I just feel like full circle with you. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I mean, I've been thinking about him throughout this conversation because my interview with him, he really held a beautiful space for me. And I had no idea I was going to go through the things I did in that interview, but he held the space for me. And it was, I think during the time that I was making the divine

dragon, the divine masculine dragon, when I was really tapping into that, because I think a lot of it is that unwinding, like you said. There's a lot of reasons why I made that dominant dragon and not the divine dragon. And those are the shadows within me that I had to face. But it is all about the spiritual awakening is so shocking, I think, to people because we don't have a balance, and it's just like it can be very, very scary to unfold. Absolutely.

Yeah. Absolutely. It's scary because we are losing a sense of ourself. Yes. You know, like the mind does not let go until, you know, the soul, the highest, it's really willing to not be the Rachel Jane, you know, this is me and all my things that I've got to create and hold on to and seek for and grasp for. And, you know, when I was going through that 2018, I was so scared of losing everything that I'd built. You know, I'd built this business and we had just moved into this beautiful home. We're just a little bit outside Loveland, as you know, like in the foothills, just like one or two little ridges over and we're on 35 acres and it's gorgeous and that dream home.

And, but now I'm like, you know, if I just meditate for the rest of my life, I'm going to lose everything and dah, dah, dah. And so there was just a lot around that and a lot around judgment of others. Cause I wasn't, I'm not famous, but there's a lot of people that watch us and watch what we do. And then I'll be like, wow, I'm going to fail in front of everybody and this and that. And so you had to like, just go toward the eye of the needle and go, am I willing to let go for the outcome of unshakable inner peace that will stay forever and ever and ever and ever. And I was like, yep, I want that now. I want that now. It was kind of the last frontier in a way, even though, like I said earlier, I was evolving so much over the 20 years beforehand. There was

really a few key pieces, which I write about in my book, Unshakeable in a Piece, is about that five days of what happened and how the ahas were just so thick and fast around receptivity and how important that was and losing a sense of self and what did that even mean and my fear of judgment and all of that. It was like I was being coached. Maybe like Bodhi did for you. I felt like I was being coached, maybe like Bodhi did for you. I felt like I was being coached through

this five days from a voice that was definitely not my own. It came through, had not come through like that before, had never channeled before or anything like that. It was very clear. It was just for me, coaching me of where my traps were. And after that five days, I was spun into the most blissful, amazing, receptive experience that really has been a few blips on the screen with my husband pissing me off, but, you know, the rest of that, like, it's been just incredible, incredible. So that's the work that now is front of mind, unshakable in a piece of the book, even though the Awakened School, we do have free membership for anyone.

We do tons of classes, workshops that don't cost anything. It's just an easy way for people to see, do we resonate with the groovers? Do we resonate with this? And then those who do, do a retreat or something like that. But yeah, the awakenschool.com, you can get the free membership and we have a Facebook group and all of that. And so even though I'm doing all of that, we run a writing retreat and we have the Awakened Business School. It's the spiritual work that really has got my heart and helping people who have been on a personal

and spiritual development path for decades and still honest enough to go, yes, something also hasn't dropped fully in. They know the seeking mind has still got its hold and to help them through that journey where it is. It's like, no, not that way, that way. And it's such an internal experience that you've got to be very good at noticing what is happening on the inside, which is why I love working with people who have been on the path for quite some time. It's

definitely not like metaphysics 101. It's's you know we've been talking this but we're these big big keys that will make big quantum leaps and so yeah i feel very blessed you're you remind me of myself just this past weekend with um uh i have a it's a private mini series on the side and I'm working on Mother Mary right now and finding out all these things, reading all these ancient texts and stuff. And I'm like, I'm starting to go back to how I felt at the beginning. It like triggered me, you know, and I could feel it rising in me. But I'm conscious to it. And I'm like, wait a minute, do I really, really want my energy here? Right. Or can I just let this go?

And I did, I was able to let it go. There was, there's no reason, there was no reason for me to go beyond, you know, what I had learned and putting it out soon and and it is and I just stopped I could have went forever I could have been like that Shannon the goddess Shannon who goes down that well and never comes out exactly exactly you caught it but what is the purpose of it right so what if I learn more and more of the same stuff because really that's all it is. Exactly. But yeah, you know, I mean, you're triggered. But I was triggered.

I had to follow the trigger. I had to acknowledge the trigger is what I had to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because oftentimes we're triggered and we just react towards the trigger. But I had to really pause and say, what is this? You know, you could feel it in your body, right? I could feel it in my body. And I just had to make a conscious decision whether I was going to go down that

road or I was going to go down that road. Exactly. Exactly. Good choice. Yeah. I know. There's been a lot of big things like that lately for me. And I think it's all about the awareness, right? Which you talk a lot about. Very much. Very much. Yeah. To make that conscious decision if you're not in awareness. Yeah. Yeah. You'll never see that shadow bird in your backyard that looks like a hawk. Right. Right.

For sure. Well, thank you so much for all that you do i just think that we all need right now you know this this inner peace right now it's really hard to find peace outside of you but there is peace within you absolutely it's where one of the traps are is that people go i'm going to find it within me which is true? That's the catchphrase. But we've got to find it where it is and it's everywhere. And it's being able to focus on the peace, the divine infinite peace. And once your mind gets trained, because it is a training, spiritual training, to focus on the peace and know that it is everywhere, then you can't really not be in peace. It's kind

of funny. And so it's not great for political conversations or conversations that go on over things because I'm like, I just, you know, there's hard things happening, but there is the nature of it all is peace. Yeah. It's what they're all desiring and looking for and wanting and hoping for. Well, I mean beyond the human level. But where is the peace? Where is the peace when you know it is? It is. It is.

Then the mind can relax. It is. It is. So you can watch, you know, when it's like, oh, I'm looking for it. Where is the peace? I'm going to find it within me. No, you're going to focus on peace, and peace ends up being everywhere. It's such a – and the mind has a hard time wrapping itself around that.

Right, but it's just like the kingdom is inside of you and it's outside of you if you come to yourself it will be known is spaciousness divine space everywhere or is there a country that it's not in you know is there a planet that it's not in the spaciousness and you learned this in those five days and since that's a trilogy yeah spiritual awakening because there was a lot yes but the first one will be out soon unshakable inner peace the second one's unshakable love which should be out later this year and then unshakable manifestation all right yeah lots of lots we could talk about i know we're on of time. Oh, my God.

Thank you. Thank you so much. You're so welcome. Tell everybody where they can find you and where they can find your book and your AwakendSchool. Yeah. You can go to Amazon. It's the easiest to find any of the books. Rachel Jane Groover.

My first name is Rachel Jane. People call me RJ sometimes as well. And the AwakendSchool.com is a great place to start. A window will pop up to become a free member and we have different meditations and challenges and masterclasses on all sorts of things for people who are wanting an elevated conversation on spiritual awakening, human potential and entrepreneurship. A lot of people have got the side hustle or a side gig or something that they also want to make an impact in the world. And so if anyone's listening and that's your, that's your jam, you'll definitely want to become a member and follow us at theawakenschool.com.

And if you're on Facebook, just look up The Awakened School Facebook. We have lots of amazing people in there, great place to network network and we stream all of our free stuff there and uh yeah so that's that's i'd say a good place and art of feminine presence we've talked a lot about today i'm going to send you a ticket whenever you would like to come up to loveland and participate but yeah that's all over the place if anyone wants to just google art of feminine presence or art of masculine presence actually now, now that I'm teaching that. The fourth year this will be with the guys. That's beautiful.

Beautiful. Thank you so much. I look forward to it. And I look forward to meeting you since you're so close. Yes, that would be so great, Shanna. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for everything that you do. Your sweetness, your softness, your intellect, your wisdom.

You are the full package. So thank you for that and leading us through these podcasts. Thanks for listening to Sense of Soul Podcast. And thanks to our special guests for joining me. If you want more of Sense of Soul, check out my website at www.mysenseofsoul.com where you can work with me one-on-one or help support sense of soul podcast by donating to my coffee fund. Thanks for listening.