Sense of Soul - HARVEST The True Story of Alien Abduction

Episode Date: October 26, 2020

One of our favorite episodes yet!! We had the honor of interviewing Gavin Davies with JB Hunt Publishing! Three time best selling world wide author! Podcast, host of The Paranormal Chronicles podcast. His paranormal reports have made national and international news. His investigations presented in book form have sold over 125,000 copies and have been number 1 bestsellers in 7 different countries. Gavin joins us to share with us his newest book, Harvest: the true story of Alien Abduction released Oct 30, 2020. The chilling accounts of a woman from Pembrokeshire in 2009 who believed she was abducted by aliens and the terrifying events that followed.  Check out his website theparanormalchronicles.com! Follow him on Instagram and Facebook! The Paranormal Chronicles!   Visit www.mysenseofsoul.com  

Welcome to the Sense of Soul podcast. We are your hosts, Shanna and Mandy. Grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. A few months ago, Tandy and I surprised. Our email was filling up with amazing authors who we were so inspired by. Authors like Colin Holland, David Ditchfield, Rena Kimmerslingham, Carol Obley, just to name a few. Again and again, one email after another came in from John Hunt Publishing, and we became most familiar with one particular guy who we knew as Gavin. However, little did we know that we were exchanging messages with a brilliant and very talented worldwide three-time best-selling author. He himself hosts a podcast as well called the

Paranormal Chronicles Podcast. He created a website called paranormalchronicles.com back in 2013, and his paranormal reports have made national and international news. His investigations, presented in book form, have sold over 125,000 copies and have been number one bestsellers in seven different countries. He lives in Pembrokeshire, West Wales, and studies hauntings of the 19th century. Today, Gavin joins us to share with us his newest book, Harvest, The true story of alien abduction. The chilling accounts of a woman from Pembrokeshire in 2009 who believed that she was abducted by aliens and the terrifying events that followed. It is a pleasure and with much

gratitude that we welcome Gavin, also known as GL Davis. It is so amazing to meet you. I'm like, you guys are amazing. Thank you so much for all your hard work. All my authors just think the world of you. They love you to bits. Pleasure to meet you both, honestly. You too. We feel so blessed to meet these freaking amazing people.

And we have learned so much from them it's unbelievable absolutely grateful to you so thank you your book has like affected us so i'm brutally honest and raw and um at the very end where i said sleep well, I screenshotted that and circled it and sent it to Shanna and said, fuck you, Gavin, fuck you. My husband used to always say, you know a movie's good or a book's good if you can't stop thinking about it.

And I couldn't stop thinking about it. And it was intense. It was fricking scary. It was raw. I felt sad for you at one point. I felt sad for Susan at one point. I felt connected. I felt like I was walking through it with her at one point. Like, and then I loved how humbled you were and authentic with sharing that, you know, you've been diagnosed bipolar. It was awesome. I will tell you that I have a love-hate relationship with you right now, and you're not even aware of it.

I love you for blessing us with so many amazing guests. And then I hate you for scaring the shit out of me. And then I love you, and then I hate you, and then I love you. Most people feel that about me, if I'm honest. Really is a pleasure though. And we're so excited to have you here, like in to see your face. And we were talking about this book this morning and just, it's brilliant. It really is. Even as scary as it is, it's written so well that you really feel everything thank you so much like i'm really overwhelmed anybody's ever written a book will know how terrifying it is to put it out there

you have mixed emotions part of you is excited you know i'm a writer and the other half is people are going to hate on it and you know that's a tough pill to swallow and everybody and I mean literally everybody has read Harvest the Truth Story of Alien Abduction have pretty much said what you both said and they've had that same experience they felt very drawn in and it's a melancholic experience for a lot of people one of my blessings and curses I didn't know I was bipolar everyone else in the world knew I was bipolar. I just needed the diagnosis. And I spent my entire life living in a world of ups and downs thinking everyone felt like that. So even though it is incredibly damaging to me and people will never fully understand, one of my best friends and a fantastic author today, Paul Anthony Wallace, author of

Escaping from Eden. He checked in on me this morning and he was like, Gav, do you know what you've written is amazing. But he says, I'm so glad you're not doing it anymore because I can't even imagine how this affects your mental health. Not trying to find arrogant or better than I am because I'm not. I'm a really humble guy. I'm just grateful for the opportunity. I don't see myself anything other than just a bloke. You know, I'm just a guy making my way through this world i'm not anything more than that i really get into the emotion of my subjects it's easy for me to do i'm very empathic that way and that i can feel their pain their anxiety their fear so if for example as mandy was saying you've got those feelings of despair sadness anger frustration that's because when

i was writing it i was here bottled up in my room feeling those things taking it out on myself hating myself feeling alone feeling terrified too scared to go to bed with a light out for seven years i've done three investigations now i've've done Haunted Horror of Haverford West, Go Sex, The Violation, and now Harvest, The True Story of Alien Abduction. And I don't think people will fully understand what I've given to it, but I can't give to it anymore. I'm 45 now next month.

I've had a mini stroke. It is what it is. I'm not moaning about it. If anything, it slowed me down. I had a mini stroke and been diagnosed with bipolar. And guess what? I want to love and be loved. I want to stand in the sun and the light. You know, I don't know, maybe I'll have kids, but certainly pets and spend time with my friends and see their kids grow and make new friends like you both, you know, and work with my authors. That is my goal now. For for seven years I stood in the dark and it's a rough rough

place when you're meant to be ill oh I just adore you thank you so much for being vulnerable and sharing that thank you for giving me the platform you two are so amazing I was listening to you both today right you were so kind and generous and supportive to my authors my authors love you and if people say what do you mean his authors I'm a publicist for john hunt publishing if you got a book out there guys get in touch with me at john hunt publishing and these two shane and mandy mandy work so hard and they treat every guest as if they're like the set and come in a christ they give them the red carpet treatment they understand them they promote them they understand them and that's where you you guys do really really well so you understand what our authors convey whether they've been run over by a train and their arm came out whether

they had a chance encounter with paulo coelho whether they can speak the dead people or whatever the case or in tune with the divine consciousness you guys guys get it. You guys are vessels. You are like angels walking amongst the earth. And your mission is to spread this to as many people as possible. You're doing a great job. I feel the same. And I can relate to a bipolar diagnosis. And also I'm in recovery from alcoholism.

I know those dark places. I know how it feels when you're so invested in something or someone else when you, you know, Shanna's an empath as well. And we take on people's emotions. I feel like you literally sacrificed yourself and your soul to get stories out there for people. Thank you as well for your vulnerability and, you know, authenticity about your struggle with alcohol. I was, I was an alcoholic for three or four years and, you know, authenticity about your struggle with alcohol. I was an alcoholic for three or four years. And, you know, I sobered up and thought, oh, I'll start writing.

That'd be cathartic. Like, that helped. So me and you have got very, very similar backgrounds. And I think you should give yourself a lot of credit. And next time you look in the mirror, everyone listening out there, I want you to look in the mirror and just look at yourself in the eye and thank yourself for getting you to where

you are in life the world ain't an easy place i think that's pretty safe to say wherever there's aliens are not interfering with us as well the world is a very hard place and in fact here we are now smiling and sharing knowledge sharing love sharing peace i think that's a testament to just how great the human condition is. And if more people were like that, then the world would be a much better place. But we got a long ways to go before we leave. Tell us about Pembrokeshire. Pembrokeshire, West Wales is beautiful, craggy, isolated county hanging off the side of Wales, right? It is geographically very very large

and it's surrounded with beautiful beautiful coastline very rugged coastline it's got 58 beautiful beaches one of them is in the top 10 on the planet and it's very agriculturally based place population we're probably looking around a hundred thousand apart from the refineries there's very little industry here unemployment's quite high opportunities aren't very high we don't have a university we've got a college not a lot going on here and we've got the milford haven estuary which is the second largest uh natural harbor in europe and along the side of that then you've got all this industry like uh refineries you know your texacos and shells all being at lng gas and in the evening you've just got this skyline like something out blade

runner just jet in out fire and smoke and lights in its own way even though it's very hazardous to the environment it's very very beautiful and yeah it's just a beautiful beautiful place it is very difficult in the winter it's very bleak we don't have huge shopping malls and the big franchises down here in halford west we've got a cinema with two screens yes count them two screens um so like there's not a lot happening so when i was a child my main escapism because it wasn't very sporty apart from cricket uh was was reading you know reading and lost in my imagination and playing on my spectrum computer you know so so that's pembrokeshire if anybody's on instagram follow me on instagram it's the paranormal chronicles It's the Paranormal Chronicles. Everything's the Paranormal

Chronicles. Okay. Head over to Facebook. You'll find me there. But if you head over to Instagram, the Paranormal Chronicles, there's loads of pictures of the coasts. Just so when people read my books, they can go to Instagram for a totally different experience just to see what it looks like down here. Very beautiful place place a lot of the places that you've researched and in your past books are places that are kind of close to you right yeah uh Haverford West the actual house from haunted horror of Haverford West I actually lived in I actually owned that and that was a berserk time in itself. It's typical blissful beginnings, me and this girl, both worked for a newspaper. We bought a house, ordinary townhouse in this very, very old, you know, 900,000 year old town of Hafford West.

Got a big castle in the middle, big walls, bridges, quintessential old looking place, right? So we bought this house and within a few days it was just appeared to be profoundly haunted so my first foray into writing was a self-published book which then became incorporated into the public published version which is haunted horror of half west where very quickly everything descended into some kind of chaotic surreal jumble and the book was heralded as a very raw kitchen sink look at a haunting there was nothing sensationalized no spinning heads pea soup yeah people climbing the walls it was just about the decay mentally and of the relationship as this haunting took hold of us and the argument I present because all my books I'll

never say to you are this is a ghost this isn't a ghost I'll give you all the information let you decide was did the relationship fall apart anyway and everything was perceived there was something going on around us or do you flip that and we fell apart because there was something in the house with us. So that experience of that house left me very, very broken. That's when I became an alcoholic. I kind of made every mistake a guy can make at that age. And it took me a long time. It took me another 10 years nearly to land back on my feet and get back in the saddle, sobered up and try to have a very productive life with that account with my own personal experience in halford west uh people came forward to me and said do you know that book you wrote yes we know where you lived and we're like no you didn't and then they sat

there showing me the deeds and all the information and all the evidence that they lived in the exact same house from 1989 to 91 and And they had this horrific haunting. And then we started piecing all this together. And from the time we could to the time I left, we had all this information. And it was heralded as one of the most comprehensive studies of a haunting in of the modern era and in a list that included Stephen King and Faust Haunted Horror of Halford West was heralded as the scariest book of all time I'm scared to read that one then and I book I kind of book ended the book I started the book with my own descent into madness how I tried to take my own life how i was

an alcoholic and how i'd kind of overcome all of that and kind of left the house alone and accepted it for what it was to having to go into a brand new study then present in my study again with what i've learned finalized with a 40 page 40 page section on explanations on everything that could cause a haunt in from psychological to hallucinogenics to gas cell signals all the way through to time travel to dimensional beings so people were reading this book and they were terrified because they were like if this is real real this is terrifying and if it's not and this guy's made it up that guy is seriously effed up yeah there's nothing wrong with him and i'd love to take credit for making these up but even i don't think even i could make that up i think that's how we felt about your recent book but i wanted

to ask you in pembrokeshire there's this welsh triangle ufo flap what is this what is this so basically pembrokeshire we've set the scene as large geographical location and if we go back in time to the late 1970s you got to think it was even more and i don't mean to be disrespectful to people of pembrokeshire i've described to you we've got very little here, we haven't got a cinema, like we haven't got like a big box complex and all that stuff, right? So if you go back 40 odd years ago, you've got to think we didn't have, it was very, very backwards here in Pembrokeshire. We certainly didn't have things like internet, wasn't invented, phone lines. You know, I remember as a kid having to go to a neighbour's house just to use the phone. It was a very, very, very isolated place, very beautiful,

very isolated. So in the end of 1990, sorry, in the end of 1976, so I was only one, I was born in 75, a couple of UFO reports emerged in the Pembrokeshire area and then on February the 4th 1977 in a little coastal town called Broadhaven beautiful little place but holiday makers go there all the time there's a little village next it called Little Haven and it's got a little pub and every other summer Jack Nicholson is often seen there having a beer he he frequents a lot of famous people frequent Pembrokeshire because it's isolated and beautiful. Isolated, yeah. So Broadhaven was just a little village and it had its own little school.

And on February the 4th, 1977, 16 pupils aged between 9 and 11 claimed they saw what they believed was a silver shaped cigar with a dome on top struggling to clear some trees in a neighbouring field. Obviously the children were very perturbed, upset, worried, enthusiastic. So the headmaster, Ralph Llewellyn, he sat all the children down in exam condition and said, right, draw what you have seen. And all of them pretty much drew the same thing, which was like a cigar shaped object, silver with a dome flashing lights behind these trees now one of the admin staff one of the support teachers she saw it as well but everyone was told they've seen a sewerage truck you know like a maintenance truck in a field that's what they saw so she went to the sewerage work which is only it was very close by

and said look were you guys in one of your trucks by our school and they're like we'd never get there we could never get a truck there and that news story made international national news i looked it up it's still there you know you've got to think that you know this is the middle of nowhere this isn't roswell or rendlesham this is a big big case and what followed was pretty much five years of non-stop ufo sightings activity experiences to give you some of the choice ones they're like i do cover a lot of it in harvest the truth of alien abduction but to give you like the really juicy ones because it is like halloween is that one family in particular they got this very creepy looking farmhouse up on the cliff

and it's pretty much surrounded by jagged coastline and the sea and you can see it's called uh it's called ripperston farm and this family the coombs family lived there and it began when pauline coombs the mum was driving her younger kids she's driving home so you've got to imagine come dark country lanes no street lights you know i've got mobile phones and all them gimmicks right and she's driving down this red ball came and just started chasing the car the car just died and she's driving down this red ball came and just started chasing the car the car just died and she had to free wheel it all the way to the farmhouse and which shot off and that incident fried the tv it fried the cooker it broke everything but not

long later that same family they were being harassed by whatever was going on saturday night they're in their living room they're watching tv british tv had free channels at the time we didn't have cable and satellite and all that good stuff it's free channels come around midnight it would just go to you'd have the national anthem and static right so there they've watched a saturday night film the tv's coming to a close the dad's like half asleep in the sofa the kids are there the wife's there the dog is there on the floor and this huge seven foot spaceman in a silver suit came to the window the dad panicked so he threw the dog outside and the dog just ran off and then the spaceman just glided off and the police came down and they said they've investigated rapes and murders but they've never seen a family so

terrified as that the dog the poor dog was so terrified they had to put it down it was never the same again so this whole family was victimized and there's a lot of conjecture and speculation and what was happening their cattle was transported miles within about 10 seconds there's lots of weird stuff going on and i started investigating that end of 2014 wanting to know a bit more information because some people have said to me they'd lied and made it all up and other people said they'd lied at the time but they didn't see anything because they were told by what they believe may have been men in black I know this is crazy to shut the f up or words to that effect. That's where my investigation began, which linked the past to a very contemporary

and very terrifying modern experience happening to a young woman living right here in Haverford West. I just finished a book called Ghost Ex of Violation, which was a study into spectrophilia, which is the phenomena where people believe they've been sexually abused by ghosts and spirits. People might have heard of incubus, succubus, things of that nature. So I spent a long time with a lady in Pembroke Dock, which is another coastal town down here in Pembrokeshire, and interviewed her, her son, her family, her ex-boyfriend, spent time at a house, brought in a female psychologist and we nearly got we really got into the brass tacks of what could cause this feeling of spectrophilia we discussed earlier about how i really relate and really feel a lot of emotion with my subjects i'm not here for a fast buck i'm

not here to judge people i'm not here to sensationalize their stories i'm not here to profit from this in terms of like i'm on netflix or anything like that i just want to offer people catharsisism and give them the opportunity to tell their story in their words and i will do my very best to do that and let people decide for themselves if it was true people buy and go sex the violation like it was the hottest porno mag in time and i was was like, why? This isn't erotica. This is brutal, depraved. The scenes of sexual abuse are horrific. When you spend months dealing with subject matter of paranormal sexual abuse, like, I mean, really depraved stuff, really, really bad stuff.

How do you sit on the sofa wrapped up watching a friday night movie with a bowl of popcorn with all that stuff in your head so i wanted something that i was interested in but wouldn't be as taxing emotionally mentally on me but as god or whoever it is decided that was not to be the case and so harvest the true story of alien abduction, was accidentally born. Yeah, next time maybe you need to research Care Bears. I always wondered about Care Bears. You've got to watch those Care Bears. I know what they get up to at night.

I've seen what they get up to in those dark alleys. Well, and you know, I kind of vibed that this was an interest of yours from a young age that you were kind of sparked by a teacher who read a book. And then your father even said to you, I loved what he said. He said, Gab, if ghosts and aliens do exist, doesn't that make the world exciting? And I love that he said that to you because he took that fear out and it seems like he kind of implanted like make it fun make it curious and you just ran with that well it's funny again something I missed out which you've picked up on that book so 1977 to 1982 all this weird UFO activity was going on in Pembrokeshire so in 1985 I'm 10 years old and we're in school

it's a Friday afternoon I remember like it's yesterday I could it was a sunny day we're in class and Miss Eustace that's the name of our teacher we used to call her Miss she used to read a book to us so it could be like Roald Dahl you know just a kid's book you know you know kids book and one one week she just decided she was going to read this book called the uninvited by clive harold which was the documented account of what happened to that family in 1977 to 82 so i'm sat there like like just my i'm just terrified i'm absolutely terrified so i went home you know wait what kind of teacher reads 10 year old imagine she's passed away now right miss hughes was one of the kindest people ever i i had a really really tough time in school but there

was two teachers miss hughes and miss reese they knew there was something in me and they didn't know and miss reese used to sit me down and she used to talk to me about why I couldn't read right and she understood about dyslexia in 1985 and she taught me to read she'd help me decode the images one-to-one that is like wow if it wasn't for her I wouldn't be here now Miss Hughes was great and I was like what why would you do that to us so I went home my gran i loved my gran so much oh what an amazing woman the perfect woman like everything was unconditional love labor of love just the kindest sweetest woman ever and she lived to be 97 i was very blessed to spend a lot of time with it i told her you know miss read us this book i'm shitting myself i doubt i swore i would have got a clip

from the gran i would add a clip around the ear if i'd said that and my dad was working he's working very hard he's working in a cheese factory he'd come from the ref he'd work in a cheese factory packing cheese and he'd come home stink the cheese and the member i just lying in bed just terrified that these aliens were going to come and get me so my dad came in he's like what's up and uh i said mess read us this book and i was crying he's like you know he's sweaty he smelled cheese all he wanted to do is eat and have a hot bath and all and he said have you ever seen a ghost now when i was four i had an imaginary friend we used to live when we were traveling around with the ref we

lived in this uh old mill i had an imaginary character imaginary friend at this old mill and he was in a top hat and he had a waistcoat he smoked a pipe and he's me and him got on really well until people I lived with saw him and it turned out that he was a very well-known famous ghost seen at this house right he's still seen it to this day but I didn't know you know oh he was your buddy until you realized he was well yeah like and then we left we left anyway I'm like so I can't remember but I used to chat to him all the time be following him around he'd be babysitting me probably teaching me poker you know teaching me about drinking gin and uh chatting a prostitute I don't know he was a hell of a character this guy

from his from his real life history. And my dad said, have you ever seen a ghost? And I said, yeah, I think so. And he said, did it ever hurt you? And I was like, no, this guy was cool. And he said, have you ever seen a UFO or an alien? And I remember when I was about seven, which would actually tie in with the end of this UFO flap. Me and my dad would walk in a dark lane. We saw this big light just come under the clouds and then just shoot up. And it was a big flash. And we ran. I remember my dad holding my hand and we ran and ran and ran. And he said, were we frightened? And I said, yeah. And he said, no, no, we weren't frightened. We were just, we just were in a hurry to get home. I was like, we were, we were crapping it then. But he said exactly what mandy said that if there are ghosts and aliens

then we need to explore that we need to find out more about it we shouldn't be scared and he said it was a very pessimistic chat at heart and he said it's the living that will do you more harm than the dead the next day i'm there reading books and i'm i went on my first ghost investigation when i was 11 to a haunted old house investigating a white lady and i remember some boys had seen a white lady running naked through the bramble and it was like that moment when you realize who the wizard is in the wizard of oz that that behind the curtain moment one of the boys i said panic he said oh my god i can see her oh and when i looked there was an old bag or sheet caught in the brambles and it was fluttering if you were running scared it looked like somebody was chasing you and then that's when i saw behind the veil that there is explanations

to everything there is a possibility not i'm not saying everything isn't real i'm just saying a strong a suggestive mind and the will and want to see something will make it happen right so then can you tell us what was so believable and i actually just can you first just share with us who susan was how you became acquainted with her and how did her story become believable then to you so when i was investigating ufo flat but late 70s and 80s i put a call out for people to come forward so i could interview them so i had an email off of a lady uh we'll call her susan that's her pseudonym she wants to remain anonymous i met with her and she was a young woman very very attractive, very tall, very elegant, very articulate, very intelligent, dressed, you know, baggy joggers, baggy hoodie, very inconspicuous lady. She didn't want to be noticed.

She was very tall, but she used to round her shoulders to make her look smaller. You know, her hair was tied back into her hoodie. So we sat down and I had this impression that maybe she was talking to me on behalf of maybe older relatives who had been around in the 70s and 80s. But very quickly, it seemed that it was about her and that maybe her interest was maybe these things had been real and hadn't left. And there's a feeling out process then between her and I of is there enough substance here for me to warrant more time and also for her do i trust this guy enough that he's not going to just plaster this all over facebook with or to the sun newspaper tabloids and socialized newspaper and all this right so there's this like kind of side eye in each other to work out now

people who've read haunted horror of half the west go sex violation and now this harvest the true story of alien abduction i've only worked with about three or four people in seven years yet i get dozens of requests every every week every month so just to put the context some of the stuff i get um anybody, I don't want to be dismissive or put anyone's experience down, but you have to look at it from my point of view. What are your motivations? What are you telling me? Right? So when people come to me saying, can you get me on daytime TV? Can you get me on Netflix? Can you get me a film? How much money will I make? And then as an example, two people who do a bit of work for

me from time to time i just let them go through all the emails for me and they sift through the name billy and ash they'll probably be listening they're great i love them in a bit thank you for all you do i will see you soon keep safe they showed me an email where a woman was hoping i could get her on like you know the oprah show because she claimed she came home from work early and her husband was home and she called her husband's name and he didn't answer but she could hear like the shower going so she went upstairs knocked on the shower door so husband no answer she opened it and claimed there was an octopus in the bath and a skin suit by the side of the bar her husband was an octopus living inside a suit i'm not going to deal with that i'm sorry but i my my response was have you got a photo

and the reply was oh no he's not very photogenic well if he is a squid or an octopus or some alien being that's probably the least of his concern so like like, I do get stuff like that. I wonder if her husband is really handsy. I think it'd be great. I think if a guy had like eight tentacles or whatever, I think that'd be loads of fun. That would be amazing. Yeah, my husband could do the dishes while he fondles me and mop the floor.

You know, yeah. Is there any mad scientist out there? and swap the floor. There's any mad scientists out there, if you could contact Mandy about maybe getting some tentacles attached to her husband, that would be great. But if you are some kind of serial killer, please ignore what I've said. And so I sat down, I had this feeling I'd process with Susan.

And one of the signs I really, really look for is whatever I'm feeling is how this subject this potential subject is feeling she was hesitant she was ashamed she was almost embarrassed it was a lot of questions like how would you deal with this you know what is your experience what is your procedure and what she really did commend me on was my sensitivity, nonjudgmental approach, my ability to convey fear. So people say to me, what did she want out of this? And I believe she wanted it to come out the paranormal closet.

She wanted catharsisism. She needed to get it off her chest. And above all, and you've both read Harvest, the true story of alien abduction, she wanted to give a warning to everyone who reads it. And I think because you're such an empathetic person, even though that's a curse and a blessing, which we talk a lot about on this podcast,

I think an empathetic person is probably the only kind of person she probably would have been able to talk to someone that could have understood and really felt it with her can i ask you both a personal question right because a lot of people ask me this right did you feel that i was like enamored to her during the investigation at all so much so that i almost wonder if there was like soul merging almost. If you are a real empath, right? Like I will take your physical symptoms, your anger, your stress, your happiness. I will feel every bit of it.

And if you're not protected and aware, it can be very dangerous. You know, sorry about that. You like that boob shot you just got yeah i feel my face i was like i was like holy hell okay thank you very much thank you i've been on my own for 90 days i i need to i need to lie down after this my phone just fell right into my chest okay i went like i literally felt i went like this and i went whoa i had to hold i had to hold on i had to hold on oh i i know because her boobs are as big as like a massive ufo oh no i'm happy with that that's made my day yes but i mean i've even been diagnosed with

other people's you know symptoms you know actually not that i would disagree with anyone's diagnosis i just wouldn't doubt if your diagnosis were changed over time I don't know where she's gone she's gone now she's dancing this has never happened it's like being at a disco I love it it's great uh I felt like we were dancing and that was awesome in a good way yeah that'd be great news you think so gavin i would love to talk to you about this on the side and just share my own experience and what i'm feeling about that thank you thank you so very much anything you know i'm very open i started doing yoga i walk six miles a day eating better sleeping which was something i never did before i'd get

about three or four hours sleep a night for about 30 years. Sleep is important. Just don't let it define you. But yes. So with Susan, what did you feel? It was very difficult because I had to make sure there was a boundary, but it was undeniable how beautiful she was. And when you see a beautiful woman or a beautiful man or a beautiful piece of art, a beautiful car, whatever, like that shot just then, I couldn't hide my reaction that just happened and i was like this is a beautiful woman i can't help that so i had to make sure this boundary was in place by the end my heart just broke for it and the letter like pours your heart into this woman and you genuinely just wanted to help her. And I felt that.

Paul Anthony Wallace, the author of Escaping from Eden, I was talking to him today. He's a very, very good friend. He said that email, that final letter from Susan to me, he said, like, what happened? And I remember it vividly. It was, I believe it was like January 2019. I was finishing up the manuscript and I was at my dad's there's no heat and I was all wrapped up and I had the cold and all and I stopped and I just cried and cried and I sobbed like a little kid for so long because I thought just because this book is finished her journey is what I want people to do is i want people to read harvest the true story of alien abduction right and i'm inviting anyone who reads it to be an investigator and i want your

interpretation i want your experiences i want your theory so the more of this we have the more we can understand because it's a very strange read there's a lot of imagery there's a lot of surrealism involved that maybe we're not supposed to understand because it's coming from a much much higher level but just to think that Susan whether this is real or psychological she still has this she is still out there in Australia now with this fear with this burden with this curse but she believes that they will they will just come back whenever they want and take her and one day there isn't there's going to be nothing left of it based on what she saw on a spacecraft and it's really really sad like if i found out like i've met you guys today obviously we've been communicating

via email for a couple of months now i love you guys that's honestly genuinely amazing people right and i mean that like the work you do is superb and like if i found out already if one of you was like you know what gav we're going to be gone we won't exist in five years time that's going to break my heart how very sad and so just for the listeners who are like what the hell are we talking about can you just kind of give a just kind of summary of what happened to susan she was abducted this is her true story of alien abduction and it's pretty insane yeah like to to understand the impact of this right and i again i don't want to be judgmental against anyone but there's some people in life their life is very very ordinary nothing's really happened they may have been let

down by people maybe even been victims of abuse or marital abuse parental abuse whatever the case is okay and they're desperate for something to happen to them they need to feel special whether it's angels demons demons, ghost spirits, they're psychic, they've got mediumship abilities, aliens, whatever. And I'm not saying that that might not necessarily be true, but there are people out there longing, wanting for this fundamental, profound change to happen to them. Susan was not one of those. This is a woman from a career background, a professional who was going places she had the silver spoon and the silver platter presented to her she had a trajectory marked out a road map where she would go from the family study all of that would be paid for her and then she would go

on into a very very professional career you know i mean like top level career this is from a family they didn't talk about ghosts and bigfoot and yet he's a were they had no time for that they had no interest in that whatsoever they were religious to the degree that she called it her duty so they would go to church for christmas funerals weddings christenings that kind of they weren't a religious family they weren't not saying philosophical but they were very much based and rooted in the rationale of life so when susan was in her early 20s she was studying she'd met some friends at a university in a neighboring county and they were having an hour and hour weekend they're having a girls weekend

in a farmhouse right here in Pembrokeshire West Wales just the four of them slumber party ryoka fire you know sweets food just girls who work hard just having a bit of downtime so they're there in this farmhouse in the middle of nowhere. They had called up before for some lads to come and visit. And I mean, lads and boys from the pub were going to come down. They weren't loose women. They were very focused on their careers, but they understood that there was leeway just to relax and have some fun. OK, before it is like judgments. So Susan, she went upstairs to go to the loo to get to the house this farmhouse is a very long track and once you're on that track you couldn't turn you were committed you'd have to come all the way down turn in the farmyard turn around and go back up so she sat on the toilet and she sees this car

coming down and she thinks it can't be the boys already because they're 20 minutes away is not enough time's gone somebody must have got lost I believe the car lifted up off the drive and as she noticed this everything went pitch black and then a huge beam of light shot in from the skylight above and she said she was just sat there on the toilet you know bum was hanging out what's going on and even at that stage she didn't think anything was going on what she thought was there's a power cut there's a light above us now in pembrokeshire because we're such a big county we often get these helicopters uh skimming along the power cables checking or they're working so she thought well maybe the the car coming down the track was a van with one of those cranes on

the back checking power uh the lights went out helicopter so the lights all came back on there was no sound nothing she went downstairs all the girls were lighting candles their power had gone their phones had gone one of the girls said where have you been and she said i went to toilet i've been like two or three minutes she said no you've been gone 15 minutes and she said no no no And when they did get their phones rebooted, they'd been gone about, she'd been gone about 10 minutes. So the boys who were supposed to be coming down, they didn't come down at all because the car broke down.

What happened to them is not related to what happened in this farmhouse. Otherwise, there would have been an epidemic all around the county. So next to the farmhouse is a barn, but the bottom floor is a garage, as you guys say, and the top floor is a cottage for holidaymakers. It's very nice. Susan had bags eyed that she would stay there with the friend's dog, and the others would stay in the house. Now, the reason she wanted to stay in the house was because she smoked. She smoked cigarettes, and she didn't want anybody to know because it was a big no-no in the profession

she was going to be working in smoking was bad so she was a closet secretive smoker so all her friends went to bed admittedly everyone was a bit tipsy there'd been a couple of bottles of wine drunk Susan went over with a dog she stood in the front door she had a cigarette and then her and the dog went upstairs she locked the front door this barnyard conversion dog went upstairs. She locked the front door, this barnyard conversion. She went upstairs, closed that door. The dog got on the bed. She went to the loo, brushed her teeth, went back to bed. It was like early in the morning, like two o'clock in the morning. She had this horrific dream that there was people in the room with her in the dark.

She thought she saw like a being. Then the dog started growling at someone. And she saw the dog leap across the room. And there was a blue flash of light, a scream, a blue flash of light, and then the dog, she could hear

whimpering. And then there was these huge columns of light came through the ceiling, again like before, but much, much more intensified. And the last thing she remembers that night was a very large bulbous smooth black head next to her face so she woke up and just assumed this was all a dream she's had this horrible nightmare new place new surroundings eating something funny drank too much whatever the case so the only evidence that something had happened

was there's a glass of water broke on the floor, which anyone can do while they're sleeping, having a bad dream. And the dog wasn't there. So when Susie went to the toilet, she had severe period pains, severe cramps, severe pains in the small of her back. She had a nosebleed, horrific diarrhea. There wasn't a dog. So she assumed her friend had come over to get the dog earlier when she woke up to let it out for a pee to do its business so she went back into the farm house and her friends were all in bed she said oh did you come and get the dog and they're like no no what do you mean they all started searching for the dog and that dog was never ever seen again. Poor dog. I know when you start, when you just, if I just told you that story now but if there's no beginning or end

that there's no context and it's oh yeah maybe you know maybe she had a bad dream the dog escaped you know he ran off big countryside he got lost he fell in a swamp he fell in a bog he got hit by a car okay but it's what happened to susan and it just continued and continued she was what she was described here and her kind of boyfriend on off boyfriend was buzzed by a huge ball of light of fire like fire and glass and the night she claims to see that there was over 16 witnesses claimed they saw the same UFO, the strange anomaly on the estuary in Pembrokeshire.

People in cars saw it, fishermen saw it. So that tied up. She's having these strange dreams. And three of them came back to back. And it was almost like whatever these beings were doing some kind of cerebral testing on us, some psychological testing. There'd be a pattern, very surreal pattern of events very surreal and she'd be interviewed by someone the first time was her by a dead grandmother who would ask her questions saying referring to my friends and susan'd be aware that behind her there

were shadowy figures and i'd always end up with a severe pain in the back of her head going through her eye and then the second time she was interviewed by a younger version of herself she places this around seven years old and the younger self was telepathically asking questions like if your mum and dad were in a fire who would you save susan would be making these very quick thoughts in her head like what what kind of super questions and these dark voices would say but she couldn't say oh she'll say with dad and she's like no i never said that i never said that one of the questions she was asked if you were raped would you enjoy it and susan imagined this horrific violation and these voices behind her were saying um oh she will and then on the third night of these

strange events there's so much to unpack you know i, I can't do you justice, but you need to read the detail on this, was that she was shown this huge apocalypse. She saw the Milford Haven Asteroom fire, ships turning and rolling and boiling hot water, steam, fire, people melting, raining ash, black skies, you name name it hell on earth and susan to this day doesn't know if these beings showed at the end of the world as we know it or catastrophe in pembrokeshire and then the people say well a lot of people have ufo abduction cases say but they are showing apocalyptic visions to either say you need to fix your planet and wise up and start respecting it or two whatever we do to you is futile because you're going to kill yourselves anyway i wanted to share with you something i thought of and i don't know if maybe you heard some more details about some of her dreams that would maybe coincide with this, but myself and other people all dream about the same place.

And it's not at this earth, definitely in another planet or something. It's this very sleek place with like this, an escalator, you know, one of those things like in a terminal. Yeah. And there's these wings. And we know that on the other side or at the end, there's like nothing, And we know that on the other side or at the end, there's like nothing.

It goes down forever. And in my dream that I have, and this has been reoccurring for many years. In my dream, I'm looking for someone. And I'm scared. There's not a lot of people there. In other people's dreams, there's other beings. And in my daughter's, she's afraid. And she's hiding. and I think maybe I'm

trying to find her when I realized she was having the same dream in the same place I was like holy shit so even a dream interpreter that we had on he actually knows of this dream and he and another have actually lucid dream to this place to try to get some more information but i don't think i'll be doing that i'll be trying not to go there anymore after your book because yeah i'm afraid of the tall aliens i kind of i'm not afraid of the short ones because i've had like an experience with a short one you had an experience with an alien being can you share it are you happy to share well I had this like entity of something in my house you know for months there was this one time where I was laying in my bed and all these stones moved next to me and I was like all right put my hand down and just kind of closed my eyes

and I'm very clairvoyant and all I saw was like a little you know short being peaceful and loving but has a very neutral energy which I've never experienced before I've seen two other times I think that being in energy sessions with other people it's a very small very small like just very peaceful being. Doesn't really speak or anything. I've got some good news. I've got some good news for you. Okay, good.

Right. Speaking to Paul Anthony Wallace, right, author Escaping from Eden, right, he believes whether our world governments know or don't know is, you know, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day when we're dealing with such high, you know, sophisticated, really matter at the end of the day when we're dealing with such high you know sophisticated advanced beings okay so he believes there's a cabal of aliens a syndicate of aliens right and they've all got different agreements and agendas right so that is why when we're harvested we're not like everyone in britain's just harvested overnight without you know like these aliens just come they take everything they need and off they go right there's an actual agreement amongst these alien races where you've got imagine

like a spectrum on one side you've got really good spiritually enhancing a really positive experience and on the other side you've got death murder decay you've got people being harvested in their entire tree until they don't even exist under horrific abattoir style conditions right so if you look so i was speaking to someone the other night two people in fact on the same day they're like gab you know like really you know really shocked that these people having these experiences and harvest a true story of alien production because mine was great i feel really i feel like i've been spiritually enhanced. I feel more spiritually aware. I feel safe. I feel protected.

Yeah, because you're lucky that for whatever reason, the aliens that have an agenda to do that have taken interest in you. Now, I don't want to get really speculative. I don't want to go into like the realms of sci-fi, but let's just put into context what kind of stuff we know right there is a battle for the human race okay against good versus evil and when i mean evil when we mean evil in that they have no regard for us it's not about like when a farmer breaks a chicken's head and cuts his head off is he evil or is he just getting food yeah okay yeah

when a farmer is rounding up all all the lambs from the mothers and they're screaming for their mums is that farmer evil or is he just seeing them as a commodity and he's just sending them off to ma or to the avatar yeah so when a scientist is injecting a rabbit full of diseases is evil or is he trying to find a cure preventative or a farmer for us right so when we look at human concepts as evil the alien races that are harvesting us experimenting on us treating us like animals because that's what they see us as right if you're an alien right and just say like, it's a bit daft, right? Alien, he's in his little spaceship, right? He puts on his TV and he looks at the news, right?

Do you think that alien is going to think we are a race worth considering the feelings of? Or is he going to think, oh my God, they are like locusts, they are diseased, they are fighting each other, they are tribal. That's what you'd see on surface level right you're not like that mandy's not like that i know thousands of people like that but unfortunately there are people that would think rather with a gun they'd rather rob than work

etc right now on the other side you have these alien beings like the ones you've had interaction with they know that with just a bit of love and a little bit of guidance we can be that cosmic seed that can spread out across our galaxy you know a tough hardy being right adaptive you know strong emotional strong mental capacity yeah that we are like a weed that we are hardy and that we can thrive and flourish in the harshest environments right and that we will persevere and that we are and again i don't upset or challenge anyone who's necessarily religious but we need to unshackle ourselves from the old ways but this is me saying this now we need to shackle ourselves away from our religions and our dogmas and the ancient texts you know where women were bad and this was bad and other people were bad.

And we got to start thinking our minds, our bodies, our souls, our planet, our galaxy, the universe, our consciousness are all one and the same. And as soon as we learn to work between those vibrations, oh, my God, we are our own energy source. We can create amazing things think about the music the art you know the love the things you hear about the bravery that mums and dads do children go through and they overcome oppression neglect become great human beings and it's up to us now on whether we we all are just the animals that get harvested and experimented on what are we that being that is worth fighting for but we have our place in the galaxy we have our place in the universe but we're not just tribalistic monkey because that's what we do

we can't help ourselves black and white fight gay and straight fight muslim and christian fight and maybe right maybe i'm part of my overall not gender but my motive is that if people read harvest truce rebellion abduction and they're like oh my god united states government have announced twice in the last three years that ufos exist now and i don't know if people have even paid any attention to that whatsoever right maybe we got to stop fighting our brothers in people from different countries right and people whether you're white supremacist or a black activist we got to be in the same foxhole fighting those things from above but coming to our world and taking our women our children our community away from us and doing

disgusting things and until we wise up right there's two ways this is going right there's two ways right we're going to run this planet into the ground and a couple of us are going to live on mars or we can all reach and radiate and realize our worth and each other's worth and work together and say to our governments right whoever these aliens are coming into our planets right you need to shoot them the fuck down because i don't want my daughter taken i don't want my kids taken right so like you're american right you guys you've got very strong nationalistic pride okay if chinese north korean or russian aircraft were just flying into american airspace willy-nilly would would you sit back? No. If those same people, those same nations were abducting your children,

your family, your mothers, your grandmothers, your people in your community, you would go to war. So the difference is now, A, our governments have got to tell us the truth about who these alien beings are, dimensional beings, where these objects come in from. We need to know the truth. We need to stand up to them. And we need to embrace a more peaceful way of life because at the moment they see us as nothing more than rats. Absolutely. That was powerful. Right now we're about to have an election and we are so separated here by politics, by race, and by all of these things. And it's like we're going backwards. We're not going forwards.

And it's so scary. So if I saw from a distance a country that was weak and not paying attention, we're very vulnerable over here right now. China have had so many military exercises in the last month into Taiwan. And that's not conspiracy, that's news. You can just go to any news site. I'm not a conspiracist, but it seems really weird to me that every nation on the planet seems to be struggling economically and with death and disease with this COVID disease, apart from China. Either they've hidden it up or they have the cure. 210,000 people have died in America. Our economy here in Britain Is on its knees, in France, Germany

The Western world is on its knees Right now, and China's got The time to run military exercises Off Taiwan, that is a lot of chest Beating, you know, and I'm hoping Whatever happens with America, and I mean this I love each and everyone, all of you You're important to me, whatever

Happens now, next month That we can just get over it, move together and walk forward. You know, let's just not waste any time. Whatever the result is, whatever your political affiliation is, we've got to stop now. And we've got to start walking forward because we're running out of time. Yeah, we're running out of time. Holy shit, what are what are we doing right now? like we really all need to become one and that shift that you were talking about is so important and it's happening right now and if we don't change it we're screwed like i'm 45 both you ladies claim to be the same age as me even

though you look at least 20 years younger to pair with you okay and i mean that guys listening you haven't seen these pair you need to have a look at them they're very very nice young ladies right and we're going to be one of the last generations that remember very ordinary things that maybe we we don't appreciate enough that we do take for granted things like walking in the woods sitting on a beach having food the foods we want going to the supermarket and being able to pick fresh, fresh fruits and stuff. Because in 20, 30 years, when that population is like 15 billion or whatever, it will be then. We haven't got enough as it is now. And there isn't a fair system. You know, the people, poor people are getting poorer, the rich are getting richer, people aren't eating. I was reading an article in national geographic that water pretty much exhausted it's it's water basin top level of water they've used

it all for irrigation they're digging up all that sand from the riverbeds using it water india is on the on the verge of a huge huge crisis with water yeah 73 percent of all water on the planet is used in agriculture 20 20 percent in industry and only seven percent is used by us so yeah it's great if you only use a little bit of water when you're brushing your teeth but you need to get your politics right on the people who are killing the environment you know people say oh well i don't know maybe it is all i do know is is massive oceans of plastic in the pacific ocean but you can't deny that that's not a lie it's there going back to your encounter uh shana with with the little being and and these dreams there's a drug called dmt people take that drug and they go to

the same place yeah you've heard of this place very similar uh there's one place a scientist a lot of mathematicians and scientists physicists they use uh there's one place a scientist a lot of mathematicians and scientists physicists they use it it's one of the most illegal drugs in the world it's not hallucinogenic it's not addictive the shamans have always used it but we're not allowed and they've gone to the same place where they've met these beings and they're like oh hello gavin nice to have you back and they're're just explaining stuff, places of light. Six students did the experiment and all of them had the same vision where they were all on silver tables

with Gray's experiment and on them, okay? So I think that with, because you're very sensitive, empathic, your brain probably operates in different frequencies. What you perceive in as dreams are probably actual visits i think so too i've been i've had another really cool one too where i was on a beach with the little person and there was two moons and he told me about four cycles and i never understood what the four cycles were that was another very vivid one well at the back

of harvest you probably noticed that there was like a chapter on local people's experiences about having stuff i loved how you added that i just would be interested in these people don't know what i'm writing and susan didn't know what i'd be following with uh since then over 33 people have contacted me to say they've had a dream of two moons in the sky. One is our moon. Honestly, one is our moon and the other one is a red moon, which is just slowly turning in the sky. 33 people in Pembrokeshire. What?

No BS. That is fact. I was thinking, and have I actually put it in a book i don't think i have 33 people have had that experience i i contacted our friend who's a dream interpreter right away this was months and months and months ago and i actually i don't think i've even ever mentioned it you know on our podcast or anything it's incredible so what we've got to think is right whether it is inherently psychological so if you're really rational out there and you're listening to us chat right and you don't believe

this that's absolutely fine there is a lot of psychological evidence on how we can all have the same dreams how we can have the same feelings of being abducted someone in a room there you know there's psychological rationale in fact one of the conditions that susan may or may not be suffering from is there's a psychological condition where we feel so guilty about eating meat and the way we treat animals that we develop a deep-rooted paranoia that we ourselves are an animal that is to be harvested or sent to an abattoir right so so do like if you are of that nature i i fully support you to you know to be rational investigator i'm not putting a gun against your head to say this is all real i'm just saying this is what people have experienced these great hosts are sharing with us

but then at the same time i think it is culture inherent in us that we know going back millennia that people are coming from above and they're interfering with us they're adapting us they're engineering us i think that we know we know deep down we are not alone in this universe and we have met our gods we have met our visitors gavin i don't want to be abducted not by any of those people that susan knew so what can we do to protect ourselves what do you think let's do the maths on this right when susan was aboard whatever it was a mothership a factory we didn't really get a sense of where it is just that there's this huge cavernous cathedral place just filled full of women and there was different sorts of harvesting from

scraping at the vagina anus eyes nose mouth to women giving birth on this structure and the baby's been taken away in these bulbous weird sack things falling on them to older women or diseased women being harvested in their entire tree until they basically just sucked from the inside out until there's nothing left if you look at the maths right if you take two people from america every day two women from america every day two from canada mexico go all across the world right there's like 225 countries right that's 450 people go missing every day that's two and a half thousand people a week. That's quarter of a million people a year, right? 625,000 people go missing a year in the United States, of which 1% have vanished into thin air with no explanation. One person goes missing every 90 seconds in the UK.

30,000 people a year go missing every year in Australia, right? I'm really sorry. If these things want to take anybody, you're going, you're going. Because who's going to stop them? What are you going to do? Call the police? Get a baseball bat? Get a guard dog? Get a mace spray? I'd love that. Mace one of those aliens as it comes through the door. The only way we can take action is by making our governments listen, right? We need to say to our government, okay, you've told us now there's this strange unidentified aerial phenomenon

or whatever the new UFO name is. They don't like UFO or flying saucer anymore. It's unidentified aerial phenomenon coming into our planet. Who are they? Who's behind them? What do they want, right? We need to know.

If it is a correlation between missing people and alien abduction and UFOs. We need to know. And our governments. Right. It's never going to happen. But our governments should protect us. They have the duty of care to protect every citizen in America and Canada canada and uk all across the world right nobody should be taken against their will nobody should be harvested or experimented on have stuff shoved up them or part of hybridization programs if this is real which they've told us it is now after 70 years of telling us that these aliens don't exist they've told us and they do exist or these phenomena these aerial phenomena exist we need to wise up we need to be told if this was a race of sea creatures that came from the sea and took you from the beach we'd go down the beach with a shotgun and a baseball bat and a knuckle duster right we haven't even got that liberty of protecting ourselves from these things. And it starts with us talking, asking our government to be honest about it, and for people to stop dismissing it

as if it's a joke. It's not a joke to Susan. It's not a joke to anybody who's had these experiences. If it is psychological, then treat these people with respect and dignity because they don't know what's going on if it's in their mind, right? But overall, we need to start asking questions because how many people are vanishing off the face of the earth, never to be seen again? And as people sat at home, mums, dads, grandmothers, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, children, waiting for someone to walk through that door we've been missing for years. And they ain't ever coming back. And we need to know that truth if we know the truth guess what we'll start fighting amongst each other and we'll put all our energy against those people up there when i had my near-death experience i came back and i was

trying to explain people this dimension i've gone to and i believe i had that dmt released in my brain and a lot of people wanted to take my truth away from me because it was different and it was weird. And people don't like different or weird. Susan had no ulterior motive except for to get the word out and help people. She didn't want anyone to know who she was. She didn't want to be on the front page of a paper. She didn't want money from Netflix. She just wanted you to simply share a message. And I felt that genuine, authentic truth in your book through her. Like I felt in my experience, but people want to take it away from you. This was coming from a true place of her to spread truth and bring awareness to something that is being avoided.

It was fucking terrifying to read about, but there wasn't a part of me that didn't believe it. I'm extremely open-minded as well. But when I read it, there wasn't a part of me that was like, oh, this is a bunch of bullshit. I mean, this woman studied mental illness. This woman studied like how a brain could be capable of creating something like this. She did a lot of work and research. I thought that that was amazing that you added that in too. She's not fucking crazy. You know, Shanna and I talked this morning and we're like, holy shit, it's just being

covered up. I mean, there is some sex trafficking going on, but I have a feeling that all these missing women and girls, there's a lot more to it. You're the second person who said that to me today. Yeah, here's the deal. I just did my ancestral lineage and I'm having some issues with human earth men because they've always taken advantage of women's wombs. Now you got me pissed off at these alien men for whatever. I would never take advantage of your womb. I am a gentleman. I'm an old school gentleman,

but in all serious serious like if we act like animals right we've all heard that saying and if you act like an animal i'll treat you like an animal right and i think that goes now more than ever right let's not be animals let's wise up let's slow down we've been controlled we've, right? Whether it's brainwashed, right? I don't care what color, sex, orientation, height, whatever, right? If you're nice to me, I'm nice to you, right? If you don't like me and you're a bit of a dickhead, then I'm not going to bother with you.

It's pure and simple, right? And if we just adopted that attitude, right? We don't have to go out of our way to fight ourselves when there's a very real possibility you're the most powerful government on the planet united states government have said that these weird spaceships are coming into our and gavin thing is is that the whistleblowers are the reason why they're having to finally say something because there's people coming forward and you know that's kind of like with anything it's like it you know we've lived generations of don't say

anything just turn your head and keep walking like if we don't see it if we don't talk about it doesn't exist now you have people who are saying no people got to know about this stuff look at the poor guy Bob Lazar I mean they took away his entire life. And then when they did go back to it, everything he said was real. Yeah, but it's so scary to come out. And I think that it was very brave of Susan, even her not actually coming out publicly,

but just to share her story with you and to make sure, I mean, she even had you sign something to assure that you would write this book. That was very brave of her. And so if she's listening, thank you for sharing your story. And Gavin, thank you so much for putting it out there. We felt it with you. The way you write is brilliant. It's so beautiful that you were able to be that one person that didn't sit there and call her crazy because i've been told that i've been told i'm you're crazy mandy you're making that shit up oh

it must have been the meds oh you didn't experience that you know shanna was that person for me i can call shanna and tell her anything she can call me and tell me she's got a little alien in her bedroom and i'm not going to tell her she's freaking crazy you told me i took it as the most you told me about a near-death experience you told me about aliens and you know i i didn't even bat an eyelid i was like oh right yeah great you know you're our people you know yeah i get it you wrote something i'm gonna read a little bit of it you just wanted to put your heart alongside there so the readers can open their minds explore new worlds feel the fear the pain and i want minds, explore new worlds, feel the fear, the pain. And I want everyone to know that I shun the light into the dark because people should not have to suffer alone or in silence. To aspiring artists, dancers, singers, writers, follow your heart,

follow your passion, create and build. Feel the beautiful energy of creation and don't try and fit into the world. Make the world fit into you. Dare to be different. Stay strong and talk about how you feel. Never feel inadequate or weak if your brain lets you down and floods you with depression or sadness. Reach out. People do care. They will help you. And then you go on to talk about as a child, you, Gavin, have faced some crazy hard challenges

in your life. And when you wrote that, it was so inspiring because I could feel the pain behind your words. And then to think that you've put yourself out there and shared these people's stories, and then you sacrificed yourself to get these stories out there. I mean, you are just such a beautiful soul. And the message, that message just touched me so much so so much that's the first time i've heard anyone read that back to me and it's um thank you i've not i've not heard it i've only wrote it so i think i might touch upon it but that's it that's my last investigation i can't do this anymore it's time i lived i'll write i will i don't know what yet maybe you know there's some parts of my life i think would be interesting um howard hughes

who is um a great uh bbc broadcaster a british broadcaster he interviewed me about haunted horror of halford west and he gave he took me to task he gave me a very very hard interview and he said like I don't know but he said I don't know if you've made it up or not but you've written the best ghost story since like M.R. James like this is the best ghost story in 100 years right he said people will be talking about his 100 years from now and I said it's real in terms of what people have said and all and after the year he said he said look i'm going to give you some advice right he says you've got the propensity for darkness you can convey fear like i've never known anyone he said do me a favor after this book which

i obviously did another one said after this book no more saying they're real just write horror and you'll be a millionaire by the time you're 50 because he said you're one of the scariest blokes i've ever met but maybe i'll have a go at horror i've got a lot you know i sleep with light on but for me for me what i'd, this is great. I'm talking to you. I've been talking to people. I can't believe the amount of love people have had for this book in terms of like embracing it and understanding the message. You know, everyone at Jonhunt Publishing has been so supportive with this. And for me now, at 45, 45 in November, as I said, I want to meet someone.

I want to fall in love and have my evenings not preoccupied with ghost sex and hauntings and UFOs and watch a good film and have lie-ins in bed reading a newspaper with a woman I love and all that good stuff and like I've done my bit now it was never supposed to be like this I wrote the first book didn't think anyone would read it and over 75 000 people read it you know go sex a violation i was getting death threats daily from fundamental christians they know we're going to crucify me slay me do this to me and all i didn't really bother me and like you get a lot of negativity but now i don't know because it's susan i feel obliged to get the story out there and i feel it's been accepted and because it's susan i feel obliged to get the story out and i feel it's

been accepted and whether it's today tomorrow next month next year 10 years what susan is saying won't be science fiction it'll be science fact people will look at that and say oh my god this woman had this experience back then and we weren't paying attention pay attention those things that happen in your sleep, those memories, those visions, question everything. Don't take it for granted it was just a dream because we're dealing with something so incredibly advanced, so incredibly sophisticated. They can control our thoughts, our physics, our time, our perception of time, our perception of reality, right? And they will just come and go into our lives undeterred

for forever unless we start talking about it seriously and ask our governments hey governments why why are you letting people get abducted why are you letting our wives and our children and our husbands get abducted why don't you stop in this and if you're powerless to do that then we need someone in government who can actually stand up for every man, woman and child on this planet. You've got the cojones to put us first before greed, before commodities, put the human beings first. All of us. Thank you so much, Gavin, for taking the time today. We really appreciate it.

We appreciate you. You're amazing and inspirational. And all of those that you've led us to through all the amazing authors, through J.B. Hunt. It's just been a pleasure. We feel very blessed to have you in our lives. Thank you so much that you do for me,

for my authors, for giving us a platform. You're an incredible audience, each and every one of you. I just send you as much love. Please keep safe and now it's time for break that shit down let's win that battle let's win for the side of good don't make them aliens think we're animals and we don't have to be right be the best version of yourself every single day love freely love big be happy and appreciate everything

let's make that difference where can everybody find your book you can find harvest the true story of alien abduction wherever books are sold it's on amazon you can go to john hunt publishing dot com and if you are an author and you're looking to get published, maybe send a submission to John Hunt Publishing and maybe we can start your writing dreams there. Paranormal Chronicles all over Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. And if you want to follow me, I'm Gavin Lee Davis. You can't miss me. I'm on Facebook.

Get in touch. Anyone's got any alien experiences they want to share because I want to collate as much information as possible or if you read harvest the true story of alien abduction and you've got some interpretations ideas you can email me direct at harvest alien abduction at gmail.com that's harvest alien abduction at gmail.com make sure you follow like and subscribe to Sense of Soul Podcast. Keep following, listen to every show they do because it will enrich and enlighten your soul and make you a better person for it.

Oh, God, you are so freaking rad. Oh, my God, I love you. It's a DMT. You know what? You're just such a light. I hope you see that in yourself. Yeah, I'm just a bloke. I have good days, bad days like everyone else, you know uh you're just such a light i hope you see that in yourself yeah i'm just a bloke i have good days bad days like everyone else you know you're awesome you're you're not just a bloke you're an amazing bloke well i look forward to the day when all this stuff

in the world is is healed and you both come to london and we'll go meet reena love to we'll go and grab colin holland secretly alchemist. We'll go and get David Ditchfield. Yes, let's do it. We won't take you near any train stations, though. No. That would be too much. Gavin, thank you so much. Thank you.

You both, you're amazing, right? I love you guys. I'll speak to you soon. Love you too. Bye. Nature boy. Thanks for being with us today. We hope you will come back next week If you like what you hear

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