Sense of Soul - Living in the Flow

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

Today on Sense of Soul we have Guy Lawrence, he is a consciousness coach, retreat facilitator, and host of the Let It In podcast.  Through his Live in Flow workshops and retreats, he's helped people around the world break free from the limitations of the 3D world and live from the intelligence of the heart. He bridges science, ancient wisdom, and practical spirituality to guide others into deep states of healing, clarity, and alignment with their soul’s path.  From plumber in Wales to coach, speaker, wellness advocate, and entrepreneur transforming lives across the globe from his base in Australia. If there’s one person who knows what it means to become ‘unstuck’ and create a soul-filled life, it’s Guy! https://www.guylawrence.com.au Visit www.senseofsoulpodcast.com  

Sense of Soul. Hey Soul Seekers, it's Shanna. Journey with me to discover how people around the world awaken to their true sense of soul. Now go grab your coffee and open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sense of Soul, we have Guy Lawrence. He is a conscious coach, a retreat, facilitated. and the host of Let It In podcast.

Guy is helping people around the world break free from limitations of the 3D world and live from the intelligence of the heart. He bridges science, ancient wisdom, and practical spirituality to guide others into deep states of healing, clarity, and alignment with our soul's path. Please welcome Guy Lawrence. How you doing? I'm very well, thank you. Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you too. So you're in Australia. I am in a town called Port Macquarie, north of Sydney. Yeah, it's a nice place. Congratulations on your podcast. I've just been looking through it. You've done a lot of work I see on it. You know, you too. You probably know as a podcaster as well, things can get a little busy. And, you know, I also have children. It's hard for me to sometimes slow down because I've always been, go, go, go, go, go. It's challenging. Yeah, I hear you. It's a dance. I mean, I have a five-year-old and an 18-month-year-old. So it is chaos at the moment. And I run, you know, full retreats that are five days long. And I do events and we have online platform. I do retreat sometimes too. And I teach Reiki. And I love those moments that I can put myself into those spaces. And so that's why I don't mind doing it at all. It's true. But, you know, there's, for me personally, there's such an acceleration of energy that's happening and shifts. There's a constant having to be in an allowing as things that are not serving anymore continue to release. And so it's constantly like this. And the mastery, which I'm forever learning, is to really be present with it and not fight it at all in any shape or form. Yeah. Yeah, that is kind of hard to be in that spiritual space and then move back to the chaos. Not that family life is always chaos, but just life in general and the world and the state that it's in. It's very challenging, but at the same time, I find it very grounding. Like, I've run now, I believe, 28 retreats.

And yeah, you know, and we tend to hold space 40 people. And also when we do one-day events, we hold space for up to 100 people that come, you know. So there's a lot happening here in Australia and what we do. And when you get in that energy and that expansiveness and it's like conducting an orchestra, if you like, that we're all starting to come into a certain resonance and harmony that then allows us to start to, I guess, bring forth what has not been certain. us. But once you start to bring it to the light and to a frequency, it will then dissipate and let go because we've brought it to our awareness and the larger part of ourselves can

acknowledge that and let it go. And that's how we evolve. So in terms of what you speak to, coming back to that chaos, I love it in some ways because I feel there needs to be a deep grounding in the sense of why we hear what's life all about and how do we show up in all aspects and dynamics of our life fully to the best of our ability. For me, that's where the true spirituality lies. It's what we do during the day with our eyes open, not so much what we're actually doing in our practice. I agree with you. And you know what? It takes a lot of presence. You know, awareness is where my journey started. Share with me how you got there, because I know I grew up not even knowing this witness. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I remember

learning the word metacognition about 12, 13 years ago thinking, what the hell does that mean? That sounds so fancy. So it's a neuroscience term of being the witness. It's a fancy word for awareness, metacognition and a cognitive awareness to oneself. But I grew up in the valleys of Wales. And I don't know if you've ever been to Wales. But it's a beautiful landscape. But it's a very challenging landscape as well. And it was tough.

Like when I was growing up, there was no yoga studios around. There was no talk of spirituality or anything. Like it was a very foreign concept compared to today. I grew up in a recession, and I grew up on a council estate, and it was a hard life. I had loving parents and family, but it was hard, honestly. The weather was wet all the time. It was cold all the time.

I played rugby, and the drinking culture is ingrained in that because you had nowhere to go. People go to pubs. People just do these things. So it was very 3D, if you like, the three dimensional density. But there was always a part. part of me now looking back that was almost my soul speaking to me. I was even aware back then I was asking question. Why are people doing things that they're unhappy about? Why do people just go to the pub every Thursday, Friday night, drink beer and complain about the world,

complain about their lives and actually not take ownership? It's like there was an unconscious cultural thing that tends to happen. And I never understand. it, but I found myself in that world. I only knew that world and it was very easy to get caught up in that world too. So what came out of that was, especially my teens as a man, rugby, I played a lot of rugby and it was the only thing that really kept me on the straight and narrow by being able to channel this frustration, this anger, all these emotions. I had no idea of how to deal with as a as a 16-year-old kid, if you like. And then I ended up working on a building site as a plumber, which I didn't even know what plumbing was. And it just, it was like

honestly, Sean, it was like a cauldron, a pot of pain that was just building and building within me. But I think it was happening because I was aware enough to ask the questions, like why? None of this makes sense. It really did not make any sense to me. And by the time I was 20 years old, I had to, I ran. I just left Wales. I left it all. I put my job. I quit my rugby. I quit my girlfriend. I wanted to get engaged. Everything, I just freaked out and left. And I ended up working in London and then I traveled and backpacked and sort of went soul searching, if you're like. But during that time, all it did was create more pain. It actually created more loneliness, more isolation, And it was like I was withdrawing inward thinking, I don't know if I can swear on this podcast

or anything, but I'm screwed. I am messed up. The world sucks. What is going on? Why do I feel lonely? And I felt insecure. I felt all these emotions that I couldn't even articulate at the time. So in hindsight, though, that was my training ground that I had to go through to really

have a, to go into these depths of self, because once I started to understand that there's trauma, the body has memory, there's a whole energetic, spiritual component to us that is recording everything. And if we are willing to look in and start to communicate with our body and actually treat it more like a vehicle we're in as in I am this body, but there is part of me that is so much more expansive, that's using this body as a vehicle to experience life, then it started to really give my power back. Penny started to drop that there must be more to all of this. And then if actually I'm not my thought, I'm not my feelings, I'm not even my body, then who am I? What is this game all about? And I think that was the first, once those

pennies started to drop from an analytical point of view, it's like, well, how do we, how do we do that? Because I really feel my mission now is at this stage in my life, is that I've experienced, like I've just turned 50, right? I've experienced a lot. I've built businesses. I've gone through a lot. and it's for people to truly start to understand that they are way more than they think they are. We are way more powerful beyond belief. Not that it's all roses, rainbows, unicorns, and spiritual highs. It's actually the opposite.

When you stick your hand up to the universe and say, I'm in, it's like buckle up. It's challenging. But through that pressure, through that molding and sculpting, there really is a diamond, within us. If we're willing to keep chiseling away and unearthing that potential, then it's incredible what's possible. And I feel like we're living in such a unique time on the planet.

Like I've been around long enough to have seen the shifts and changes and what we have access to, information that we have access to. But more importantly, how we then can take that information and start to embody it and have real visceral experiences that don't speak to this from just an analytical point because we don't get anywhere from our heads, but actually this expansive states of consciousness and awareness that can really start to demystify the very simple thing. And it all starts, like you said, with awareness. If we're not aware, if we keep narrowing in our focus and fixating on the things that are in our peripheral vision, if you like, because of the state of we feeling and thinking,

we're always going to perceive that particular part of the world that is reflecting straight back at us. And it's not until we start to expand that awareness and actually start to start looking from a soul, heart, soul and spiritual level, this vast, vast vantage point. Can we start to see the bigger game of play here? And then we start to see the whole chess board

instead of the one or two pieces that we keep trying to manoeuvre. And that's when we can really start. to make the shifts and changes. Wow. So kind of started with you just being curious. And I think that that is very important. You know, I learned years ago that the word heresy met choice in Greek. And right now is a time that we can choose. You know, we have lots of choices. We've got the freedom to think for ourselves and to really get to know thyself. And I see this grand awakening happening. You know, it's why people listen to our podcast, right? And why people are coming to your retreats, you know, because they're curious. They're curious to know. Curious is my superpower.

I love it. Yes. When you said that, I was just here. Yes, yes, yes. It totally is. And it's through that invoking curiosity, it's so easy to really get caught in our mind in this mental space and really shut down and start asking the wrong questions. Why does this keep happening to me? What is going on here? We get caught in these loops that really close down potential and possibility. If we truly are vibration and frequency and photons of light dancing that are vibrating so fast that it's forming particles and atoms that are coming together that creates structure and form allowing us to experience life. If that is true, why wouldn't we want to be more curious to know what we truly are, where we come from, what makes us up,

and are we in collaboration with something far larger than our mind can even comprehend or perceive? because I've held space now, honestly, for thousands of people, thousand, and I've seen it all, and I continue to see it all. And there's some things you wish you could unsee. I'll just joke him, but it's like, when you have a realization that doesn't require the mind that actually is coming through beyond a five senses experience, but can be so visceral, so clear,

So connected, so immersed in this source of field of energy that is a primordial pulse, that is a quantum field, that is the zero point field, that is God, that is the universe, whatever label, the matrix, whatever label you want to call it, it's like this vast ocean. And I heard this beautiful analogy the other day. If you think of a vast ocean and then out of the ocean is given rise, there might be these starting to float that you could call them icebergs you could call them different forms of structure and all we fixate on is the small forms of structure and we actually forget that there's this vast ocean of information that is given rise to that form and we are part of it and once you have

these deep understandings not from an analytical but from an experiential but from an experiential moment of this divine connection, it changes the game completely, completely. All of a sudden, everything you do, you start to become more consciously aware and you start to want to make a different choice because you realize there's more to this game than complaining about the price of petrol or politics or who's in power or what's going on and this fear-driven propaganda that is constantly propelled at us that is keeping us in such a certain state that we feel disempowered.

It takes our power away from us. And it's always been that way. And the moment you start to lift the veil, you peek behind the curtain and realize it's just one large theater of pantomime that is playing out. And we're part of it. And we actually have a choice what happens if we decide to let all that go

let that crazy just let it go and start to become very curious of the bigger things that connection to source can life really be more synchronistic can it be more in harmony with the laws of nature the earth and the cosmos

can I surrender into that flow of life that is constantly wanting to flow through me every single moment that I'm alive with every breath, with every pulse. But I've been so conditioned to be in a state of resistance, of fear, of shut down, that I'm not even aware that that flow is wanting to flow through me. And it's like trying to hold a river and you've built a dam. And it's just pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing. and the universe, life is going, I want to flow.

We want to flow, just let it flow. And then one day we go, it's all part of the story that the mind has done to protect ourselves. And as we get curious and start to look at what is actually causing those resistances, what have I conditioned myself, my thoughts, my feelings, that embodiment to my trauma, my pains, my inherited traumas, what's come through ancestrally,

there are so many ways you can look at these things and as you just let them go, it just allows that flow to go. And then the more we can start to live from the heart, which to me is the center of our body, it's the center of our soul, it's the center of the universe, it's all knowing, it's ever present.

The mind should be subservient to the heart. not the other way around yeah and it it will i promise you i've seen it way too many times with people once that light bulb comes on once they have an experience once they have a mystical experience or something or actually feel trauma leave their body or a pain or a grief that they didn't even know was causing them to be thinking or feeling or acting in certain behavioral patterns for most of their lives. Once that starts to release, then it's like, wow, holy moly. You see behind the curtain, then you go, what else is there? What else is in the way? What are the things in my resistance to? Where can I take this to? What am I if I start to surrender into life from an allowing

place and go with it? And I know it's hard. I got two young children. We're a company. we employ people I'm out there in the world I'm in the cold face when we hold space for people and I get it it's challenging but at the end of the day the way I see it is

what else are you going to do are you going to continue to resist are you going to continue to push complain be the victim how far is that going to get you before you break down completely And then from a broken down place, how much harder is it going to be to want to start to really create and let in the changes that you want?

I feel like we're in this little condition small box that we've created. But you can easily bust open that box. And I feel that once I did, there was no putting me back in that box either. Exactly. And why would you want to go back in the box, right? but if all you know is the box it is scary I get it

when I broke free from my I guess my environment of Wales and this is not bagging whales by the way I still go back there I love it it's beautiful it's just the set of circumstances I had chose when I come here

I guess and I'm living and that box was all I knew and it was terrifying to leave that But the pain of staying in the box felt greater than stepping in to that unknown. And the only way change occurs is by creating change is by stepping in the unknown. Possibilities lie in the unknown. If we keep doing from the same thing, from the same level of mind that created it in the first place,

that's insanity. That's what Einstein said, right? It's also epigenetics, is it not? You know, you're changing your environment. exactly exactly so when i stepped out of the box for years i was still thinking what the i am i feel worse off i feel this is just ridiculous this is just getting harder because i hadn't really had a guide a mental structure to really start to take me and go start going in this direction.

This is what you need. I was hungry. I was like the energizer body running around. Like I was prepared to do anything. Anything. Just show me the way. But for whatever reason, that path didn't really come at first. And in some ways, I'm grateful because it's like I kept running into that wall, that wall, that wall, that wall, that wall, that wall, that wall.

like the fly, you know, just trying to get out of the window. And it already needs to move two inches to the left. And you can just, let's just meddle along and you go straight out the gap, right? But we just, you know, and that's what it felt like. And but slowly but surely, because I'd made that decision, I'd burned my bridges. And I almost feel sometimes that is what's required. We live in such a comfortable world. my world was not comfortable for a long time.

It really wasn't. I'm talking when I was living in Sydney, I was earning enough money to pay rent and eat. That was it. And I had a push bike. And I would cycle every single day to get around. I would cycle up and down the hills to go to work where I worked in the fitness facility of the gym

because I was trying to build my first company. I didn't know how to build a company. But I was just trying. in and I was outside of the box constantly. And it was that discomfort that propelled me forward. That really started to allow me to get that momentum. I would see from particular vantage points because I was starting to lean in much more to meditation

and just starting exploring breathwork and different modalities that you would see people and I could feel, they've like I could feel them quite often there's a deep sadness or emptiness or loneliness never expressed and everything was kept external let's look at our phones let's listen to our iPods let's keep ourselves distracted let's focus deeper in work let's focus more on gossiping let's focus on the media that's for whatever it is it's all external noise that keeps us in the box totally and I believe until we actually make a declaration to ourselves to the universe and raise a hand and say I'm done with the oak I don't want to be in that box anymore

I'll do whatever it takes I'm ready because that's when we really start to bring to the surface what is actually in the way? What are those resistance? What is the illusion that's keeping us small? And unless we go through a rites of passage, unless we go through this exploration of self, we're never really going to learn, I don't feel. We're never really going to have a depth of understanding

what it is we are evolving into without, I guess, that pressure that comes with the terrain. It's like going to the gym, you want bigger muscles, you're going to put them under load. You want to get fitter? But the long-term benefits of that are phenomenal, right? you know there's so many and it's the same with the spiritual gym so yeah i feel like when i became conscious or awakened new eyes new glasses i couldn't understand things right i couldn't believe some of the things i'd agree a lot of the things i believed and you're right when you say that the heart is the center of that because you can't turn away from children who are starving

you know, people that are hurting each other and the pain of the world as well, the separation. And then you go deeper, my goodness, I am one with all. How did I never notice this tree? I didn't have anybody either to guide me. And that's one of the reasons why I started the podcast because I felt at the time there was not enough information that I could find and I was hungry for. it as well. And also I wanted to share with people that it's not always easy. Because once you do become aware and conscious of the world, there's a lot that comes with that too. And I did feel like

because I was one with all, I had a responsibility as well to humanity. It wasn't just my journey. And I still have many journeys that lead me on the path of new wisdom or healing. or whatever and I want to share it right because it's not just for me it shouldn't be kept for secret societies or only the highest of the church or whatnot this wisdom the ability to heal by self and reclaim your power like you did i agree with everything you said you know once you start having these experiences that you just want to share it you want to support others i got frustrated because here I was, so that when I was in my last company, it was the first time I'd achieved anything, if you like,

from a materialistic thing. Let's say that, right? And it became a multi-million dollar company. And I was kind of like, this is really strange. I'd never experienced earning money, let alone being able to go and buy Ducati or do different things, right? And at the same time, I had a full, awakening. So I had a full of condolini awakening. I didn't know what was going on. And then I

started having beings turning up, three o'clocking in the morning. Because I could just, my body would just start vibrating. My energy would expand. And all of a sudden, I was getting these direct healings and communications. I could probably share that on here, as pretty as that sounds. This was happening in my world. And I'm thinking, what is going on? Like, come on. Are you serious? Like, what? So all this stuff was happening. And what was happening was then it was bringing more shit to the surface, more trauma, more

things like, oh, and having to sit with it, be with it, and let it dissipate and ride with it, more of meditation. And what was clear to me was, guy, you've got to start creating space and letting people know that all this is possible. That was clear as day. Now, I'm knee-deep making, you know, we just made a $100,000 decision with new manufacturing and different things. And I remember thinking, and my business partner, I were just button heads now because I'm clearly falling apart in his world, but all I'm doing is becoming the butterfly in mine. And it's all falling apart.

So it's like I realized in that moment that if I'm going to help others and really contribute, at a deeper level, then the best way I can do it is by fully surrendering to this. I'm walking my talk and being an example so I can then show others away because this is what I did, not from how many certificates I got, not from being a doctor or a guru or somebody that we put on a pedestal too that feels it's just by being me

vulnerable being vulnerable vulnerable exactly and I had to be vulnerable in my life and own that so I thought okay I'm going to do this and my wife has supported me the whole way she looked at me and said okay

okay just go on so I did I sold out of my company, which took a while. And I had one year at my sleeve to survive before I'd have to get a job because of what I'd sold without changing my lifestyle. And I thought, right, there's my new rites of passage. I'm all in, just like when I left Wales. When I came to Australia, I'm all in.

What do I do? How do I do it? I don't know. I don't know. I got no idea. I genuinely don't know. But when I'm present, it was clear that I have to do this. So why not start becoming more present and actually creating a silence and a listening

and allowing that force to guide you? And let's see where this goes. First thing I did was start a podcast. So I knew this was back in 2000. very beginning of 2018. I'd already been podcasting in my last company on health, nutrition, and it was doing very well.

So I knew podcasting. So I just reached out, I thought, so I reached out of Greg Braden. Sure, guy, I'll come on. Thank you, Greg. I don't have a following. He came on. He knew that.

I was very honest with it. He supported me because I'd interviewed him a few years ago. I reached out of Bruce Lipton. No problem, guy. happy to support so it was like because i'd made these connections in the past and i was vulnerable and i and i was very honest with these people hell yeah i'll get behind you guy so i started recording podcasts because i wanted to just have conversations i'm a

continuous student of life of this work and will always forever will be and through that I just started putting them out once a week. So that's how the podcast was born. You know, it's nearly 400 episodes now. And the conversation has gone everywhere in it. And it continues to explore because I continue to evolve. So do my guests. So do the, and they come back on and we have different discussions

and form beautiful relationships. And I get to share it like you with people. And what I love then, So I started the podcast and it's like, well, what are you frustrated with? I'm frustrated that there isn't a space that can be easily created to create a safe space that will allow people to really dive into this work if they want to. But I knew I only had a certain set of skills. There were other sets of skills that were needed, I felt, to create a complete environment.

And that was, I guess, the business side of me, the entrepreneur. her side of me going, so I reached out to people I knew who I worked still with to this day, Matt, Matt Ovo, who works with sound, because I had incredible experiences on my journey with him earlier and during my awakening process. And then Petra, Petra Brozovic, who works in Croatia. She had, she was a therapist. She worked with trauma. She was training in Joe Dispensers. support team at one point, very well adverse in this work as well. So then I said, do you want to run a retreat? You know, I think between us, it's, you know, I've got enough momentum from what I've been doing

this year and exactly a year to the date from when I left the company. I've been podcasting. I ran a retreat. I'd been running workshops every week, almost every week by myself at different gymnasiums. just saying yes if two people come in i'm just going to turn up and talk let's see what happens drop the ego drop what it is it's all feedback it's the only way i'm going to learn is by getting in there bucking it up if i do and seeing what feedback i get back from people and that allowed me to craft and i was getting 10 15 20 people i had a lot of connections through the gyms obviously

because of my supplement company that had done well before in the fitness industry. And I was ringing and say, hey, can I come down and run a workshop on meditation, put a different spin on it? Sure. So it was by saying yes and action in it, by making the choice, coming up again. I was terrified, Jana, terrified. I can't express that enough.

My old self could keep coming up. guy what are you doing are you nuts what are you doing who's going to buy into this like at terms of who's really going to are they going to believe are you going to be able to create a space where people can really start to connect to that divine self within them and surrender into because the most important thing for me is the the end result what we're after and that is by truly living with that authentic self by by really showing up for ourselves authentically, funerably, truthfully, powerfully, courageously,

all those things that we embody and action on a daily basis. How we speak to people, how we communicate, how we speak to ourselves, how we hold ourselves, how we allow the heart to guide us. These are all qualities that really matter when it comes to not so much having these. divine mystical experiences and chasing and being obsessed by NDs or whatever it is that create that's great and it's all curious but it all leads us back to how are we going to show up

each and every moment each and every day and how do we conduct ourselves so that's how I saw this and I kept bringing it back to me as opposed to the external how am I showing up for myself in this moment. What is my mind doing? What are my emotions doing? Being with it. And it's just like weeding a garden. When weeds just keep coming up and up and up.

I'm tired of plowing. I'm tired of weed in this bloody garden. But you know, you keep going because I had, I'd burnt my ships again. I didn't, I had no other option. And it was just through that tenacity. then it evolves. It grows. Your podcast starts reaching more people.

Your work starts having impact. People start telling other people. It starts going through. And then you're evolving as I'm shifting, understanding how to work with energy better, work with other presences that want to come in and work with us with spirit. All these things just evolve. It's all feedback.

It's constant evolving and it's dynamic and it moves and you just kind of got to go, let's see where this goes. But let's come back to the moments. We all forget, you can get caught up on the different aspects of it. Fear can creep in, of course. But ultimately, it comes back to how do you want to live your life? How do you want to leave your legacy? meaning how do you want to impact the world and create a space. I want to create a space for my children and give them opportunities

and hopefully see the world through a very different lens to many people and impact others along the way and hopefully light the flame within them that will continue to have a ripple effect. And it's happening to what impact, I'm not sure. you never really know but it's happening and it's beautiful and I'm forever grateful for it and more importantly I really try and continue to nurture my practices and nurture my surrendering aspects to all of that as these things evolve I align with that I was going to ask you

the name of your podcast but I think you just beautifully explained that letting it in and you had to create space though to do so you know because if you're completely weighed with the outside external world there's no space to allow that in and there you know and i think that the more i healed first the body and then it was ancestral stuff and and i really wasn't guided. I was just flowing with, with, you know, I'd surrendered much like you. And I, I knew I was making this space. And, you know, I think that because the brain wants to just fill it back in with stuff too. You know, I mean, there was that battle, you know, the weeds that you were talking about. And, you know, I just kept trusting and surrendering for no real reason. Only that I felt

that the box was no longer serving me. And so there had to have been something else in this sovereignty that was undeniable. And that was my personal experience that no one could take for me. And also, you know, going to retreats and making time for yourself, which is another big thing, right? The space for self-love. I'll choose, yes, for myself for that space. Sometimes it looks like just outside in my yard, and sometimes it looks like a retreat. But tell me about your retreats.

Yeah. It's interesting that you say that people feel so guilty when they invest in themselves. The amount of people that even come to a one-day workshop, that's low entry point, go, I felt guilty of even taking time out and being here, which is staggering. Live in the flow. Right? And the fact that we give to everything and everyone else because there's an unhealed wound or trauma or belief within ourselves that feels that is the only way we are going to be loved is sad. I've only got here on what I do because I've been willing to invest in myself, that I've actually prioritized where I direct my money and knowing.

that if I invest in myself, it comes back 10fold long term. But how many people are willing to even just put 5, 10% of their wage away every week into an investment that's going to grow long term? Because I think most people now have credit card of 10 grand. I don't know what it is, but it's ridiculous. Like we're living in this false sense of economy, security in life. That's how we're living our lives. And that's coming from a stress response.

Can I also mention that, you know, for the longest time, you know, I know in my family, they were giving a percentage to the church for that, you know, that one day they'd have a place in heaven. Like, make heaven here. Yeah. And invest in yourself. I did not know, like, I don't, I say fortunately, I never grew up in any religion. So I was a kind of a clean slate.

Yeah, exactly. I've had a few people tell me that. And it's like once I went to source, I'm just getting my own clear filter without the interpretation of human. Right. So the retreats for me I've been critical even on my evolution and my journey because when you remove yourself from your environment for a longer space of time, that is critical. I feel because it's so hard to just do it in your everyday action in world. So if you can get some reps on the bar, some spiritual boot camp, if you like, to start flexing those muscles in an environment that inspires you to become the better version of yourself.

That's the first thing. So when you come back, yes, you have to come back into your life. you have to come back into your world. But if you start applying the teachings because you've had enough of a space to develop your edge, if you're like, to start developing that muscle around it. Because we all have an edge. We all have a comfort zone. And everyone's just different.

Like I can certainly talk, you know, work like the decisions I made with create my letter and podcast selling my company and setting up retreats. I certainly couldn't have done that five years before because my edge of my comfort zone was very different to that point, right? But that's through my own self-development of self and investing in myself and putting myself in environments

that is allowing that to grow. So that's why I became so passionate about it. So A, you take somebody out of that environment and you drop them in a whole new, place, world, if you're like. Secondly, you're putting them in an environment with 35 to 40 other people from all walks of life that are actually there for the same reason as you.

Even though you think your shit is so unique, it's just so mine that we all have shit, that we all have the human condition, that we're all falling apart, we're all have highs and lows and experiences. But then when you see that somebody else that is so the most unlikely person that's going to step up and take this on when you've probably walked into the space and just heap judgment on them straight away unconsciously thinking who is that really strange person over there that's doing all those quirky things. But then when push comes to shove, they step up and they embody this full. fully. And it inspires a whole room of people. You just go, wow. If they can do it, I was so wrong

about that person over there. My God, I can see them for who they really are now. Then maybe I can do it too. So that is a critical component. I always say to people, it's like bringing a band together, an orchestra together. So you have all these unique individual notes, instruments that are all out of tune because of the way life is conducting us. We sink to our environment. Our body resonates to the environment we're in. And if we don't have practices that then shift that vibration, we're always going to fall back into that.

So if you can create a space that then we are creating a resonance as facilitators, as the space itself in the nature is this holding space, all of a sudden we're creating a very different we're the conductors we're creating a resonance that then each of these unique individual instruments that have been out of tune if they're willing to surrender and let that resonance naturally flow and we get there via the heart all of a sudden everyone starts sinking into the environment that we are creating and holding and then you're creating a very different resonance and then collectively you're amplifying that resonance.

And through that amplification, we can really start to connect to the field and something far greater than we could ever imagine because we are so in our little small world that we don't even know it's there. And then it's through that connection, through those experiences, as we surrender more,

it can start to highlight what we can start to let go of. And then all of a sudden, when we go home, when the body settles back down, we've actually retuned, we've recalibrated our resonance now at a higher frequency

as we move more to the heart, as we move more to love, and we start shifting the lens what we perceive. But then, of course, we need to continue the practices. We continue to lean in. And over time, that evolution continues.

And then you start seeing opportunity instead of obstacles. Maybe you start making different decisions that come from how you value yourself and how you see yourself. And that's how everything starts to shift. And that's how we evolve and grow. And how you see us. others too. You know, this journey can certainly be lonely. And sometimes, you know, I remember thinking, well, I have maybe one person to tell my experiences too, you know, which is another reason

why I started my podcast. Because, you know, when you first start awakening and having experiences like the one you spoke of, which I've had many of those too, by the way, at 3 o'clock in the morning, too. which is you know why i think being vulnerable and sharing your experiences i mean that's what i've learned that's what being human is you know is sharing whether how weird it is and that's why i like topics sometimes that are real woo-woo or way out of this world normal or the witch next door you know whatever because the more you talk about it you will realize you know that maybe your neighbor does have an experience or is curious,

just like you were. And I think that community is something that is needed. It is that collective energy that we can create together that can literally save this planet. I mean, look what we did during COVID. We did the opposite.

If you could do the opposite, then for sure you could do something good. Totally. Yeah. Community is critical. everyone says it's such a lonely journey and it can be and even when I look back at my loneliness it takes effort you got to leave you have to lean into those discomfort you know areas with it but one thing that always comes out of the retreats is people say they feel like they know the other person deeper than they've known people their whole lives because they're being open

and vulnerable and connecting from a heart sense nobody asks you what you do for a living or how much you earn or all this materialistic shit you you connect at a very different level and you understand by the end of it you start to understand why they might be holding or behaving like they have or doing what they're doing because this because what's been lying underneath and this given space for that to come out so that's it is beautiful like we did a we've started doing like advanced one-day workshops now. So we have our introductory one where people come. And then the advanced is that they have to have done the introductory first or been

to a retreat. And so we held one in Sydney a few months back. And out of it, there was about six or seven retreat participants that had just come back that they hadn't seen each other for about, you know, three months. And all of a sudden there was a reunion and that connection was there. And it was, and it's just beautiful to see these friendships and bonds form and think, wow, that's, that's come out of that creation. And who knows what they're doing and they still catch up on Zoom. I had two listeners who connected through my podcast.

One was from Canada. Hi, Mandy. And when I was here, hi, Jess. And yeah, they've gotten together. I mean, just because they connected through listening. to my podcast. And, you know, I don't know about you, but it still happens to me today where sometimes I'll just put on a podcast. And I've had this happen at church too. And they're talking about exactly what I need. You know, when you put that surrender head on, and synchronicity is a

huge part of my journey. I wanted to ask you about that. When you were surrendering and just leaning into the unknown, really, it sounds like, were you following, like, synchronicity and symbolism? Yeah, not so much symbolism. So it was like innate. There was a knowing that I had to somehow share what I've been going through with others. And how do I do that, right? So I remember, when I sold my company, I had, remember I said I have one year up my sleeve to survive. Now, the dance of actually knowing how to be a hustler and go, go, go and make shit happen to actually softening and surrendering and trusting that everything is okay stop pushing this to work but surrender and be with it as it moves right that was for me a real dance a real dance

and it's like so i was continually trying to find this flow knowing to to like get your boots on the ground and went to breathe out and be and So there's this constant expansion and contractions through this year as I was evolving. And I remember, so what happened in my payout? I was getting paid weekly. And I had this date of when the payments would stop the following year. And my business partner rang me up and said, oh, you do know your last payment is next week. And I went white because in my mind, I still had about two and a half months to go.

so I completely miscalculated everything and I thought holy shit and I remember just going for a long walk thinking what am I going to do I hadn't run the first retreat yet it was getting there but I was just in this moment where I was like I'm not even going to pay be able to pay the mortgage shit and and it freaked me out and I and I and I would get up in the morning and I I'd meditate. And I remember I'd connect in like I always do, like I'm doing right now, actually. Just feel it come in and then go, okay, I've been a full service. I'm doing all this. What is going on? Surely there's got to be a bridge here. But I just could not see a way out.

And every morning I think I got to lean into my practice. And then a week later, my business partner rings me again. I was like, oh, because we never spoke. We didn't speak. I said, what's going on? And he said, you're not going to believe this. It's like, well, tell me more. He said, well, I'm selling a percentage of Mike, because it was his company now, right?

So he was basically trying to get a sell across the line to a very big company called Bega here in Australia because they wanted to come in into the health space. and he had spent about six or seven months writing all these contracts out doing all this work doing everything and then he'd come to the very point where they had to sign the dotted line and they had the solicitors into and right on the very last line of the very last paragraph of the very last page of this huge contract said guy lawrence still owns 10% of the company which i did but i held it with thinking they had no value i just that was part of the contract that I did were there.

So all that time later, they said, well, we can't buy it while he still owns 10%. And I said, oh, so what does that mean? And he said, well, they want to make you an offer for your 10%. And I said, let me think about it. I'd put the phone down. And I was just like, oh, my, are you, like my mind was blown. Wow. Mind was blow.

And there it was right there again. Support. And of course I didn't find him on it or anything. I just wanted to have the pleasure saying that let them sweat in it for 24 hours. But it was a clear sign. Support came in. And then that took care of that. It's like when you are aligned, when your vibration is aligned and here you were meditating,

your vibrations getting higher and higher. Yeah. And you're aligned with your purpose. you're calling, you know, there will be, it'll be made, that path will be there. That's right. That's right. And, you know, it's beautiful when that happens. And it's, it's unpleasant when you're going through it. Yeah. But the only way you can really have faith and surrender is by doing them. There's no middle ground. If there's one tip I could leave everyone with today is stop trying to get there from the mind.

Really, really focus on the healing journey and the way will present itself. It's almost like just start walking, relinquish the mind, start getting to know yourself and the way will present itself for you. Really good. Really good way to end this. I love that. It's great advice. Yeah.

So tell everybody where they could find you, where they could find your podcast. and if they're interested in taking a workshop or visiting Australia. Certainly, yeah. Well, we do travel as well. My goal is to get to the States at some stage, but we'll be in Croatia in November with our retreat, actually, in Europe. Yeah. But my podcast is called Let It In,

and it gets a lot of following on YouTube. So that's what, but it's on Spotify and iTunes as well. So that's a rabbit hole. The retreats are called live in flow. So our website is called liveinflow.com. And I'm flying to New Zealand, you know, we're flying in Wellington this week. One of some events over there as well.

Yeah, no, we're getting it out there as much as we can and juggling between family life and doing it. And I take my family on the retreats with me when we go to Europe. So, yeah, we'll be in Bali as well next year. So, yeah, there's plenty of opportunity if people want to come and join us. We've had people fly from the States to Bali as well and Europe come and join us. Yeah, yeah. Say yes to yourself and go.

You know, if you're listening, if you're called to. Absolutely. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. Nice to meet you. You too, Shana. Thank you so much, my lovely. Bye-bye.

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