Sense of Soul - Mary the First Alchemist

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

Today on Sense of Soul podcast we have Dr. Jenny Martin, she is a psychologist, sexuality educator, and visionary guide at the intersection of sex, science, and spirituality. She is also the host of ���Why Didn’t I Know”, a podcast about sex and spirituality.   In this illuminating conversation, she introduces us to the ancient wisdom of Mary the Prophetess—also known as Mary the Jewess and, in some traditions, Mary Magdalene—recognized as the first alchemist of the 1st century. Her teachings, preserved through the Greek Philosopher Zosimos in the 3rd century, they reveal a profound lineage of sexual alchemy that has long been hidden from mainstream narratives. Dr. Jenny shares her groundbreaking work on the Psychedelic Cervix Model, a transformative approach to female pleasure rooted in the unique genital-brain connection. She explains how, through lovemaking or childbirth, women can naturally activate psychedelic states of consciousness—unlocking mystical experiences that have both scientific and spiritual foundations. In this episode we explore the forgotten legacy of Mary the Prophetess and her alchemical teachings. The science behind sexual pleasure as a gateway to expanded consciousness. How the cervix plays a central role in mystical experiences and healing and its impact on women and their partners. Reclaiming ancient feminine wisdom for modern transformation. This is a sacred invitation to reimagine pleasure, healing, and spiritual awakening through the lens of ancient alchemy and embodied science. Learn more about Dr. Jenny Martin and her work at her website: www.drjennymartin.com Visit www.senseofsoulpodcast.com  

Sense of Soul. Hey Soul Seekers, it's Shanna. Journey with me to discover how people around the world awaken to their true sense of soul. Now go grab your coffee. Open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sense of Soul, I have Dr. Jenny Martin. She is a visionary spiritual teacher and consciousness researcher.

She is reshaping our understanding of Western religion as rooted in the teachings of ancient alchemy. Her groundbreaking work stems from decades of research into non-ordinary states of consciousness, biophysics, ancient wisdom, specifically the first alchemist, known as Mary the Jewess. Dr. Jenny has a doctorate in counseling psychology and is a distinct voice in the psychedelic community. She teaches programs on the psychedelic cervix, which focuses on the shift in consciousness that sexual pleasure can produce for women and their partners. She is the host of Why Didn't I Know podcast, questioning assumptions and beliefs about women, sex, and God.

Every once in a while, a guest becomes a friend, and Dr. Jenny is one of those. So it's my pleasure to welcome Jenny and share her amazing wisdom with all of you. Jenny, thank you so much for coming on Sense of Soul. I really appreciate you. I can't wait to talk about the divine feminine. And I can't wait to hear your story. Oh, great. Well, I'm so happy to be here. I just really honor everything that you have done for women and for people and for spirituality and the world. And you're the real deal. Oh, thank you. Appreciate our conversation before this. Yes. I know I feel so connected to you already. Yeah. You know, just to begin, you know, can you tell us like how you. you came into this. I mean, I think we did speak and you mentioned that you grew up Catholic too, I think, is that right? Yeah, I grew, I'm from Ireland, educated by the nuns, strict and all of that stuff. In terms of women in my family, all I saw was oppressed women. Wow. You know, there was this idea that women needed to serve men, get married, have babies, you know, and

it was this idea that living a life as a martyr get your reward in heaven seriously wow you sound like me this is my story yeah yeah and so my grandmothers died early in their 50s of cancer and the longest living grandparent i have he died having sex with a younger woman in bed he had a lot of sex and he smoked and you drank and he lived like 40 years longer than anyone else so go figure. So I knew that there was a whole bunch of hypocrisy in that system. I never could buy into it. It never felt real. It never felt right. Nature being in Ireland of the richness of the beautiful when it rains and just the whole, there was something about the land that really connected me and then moving to British Columbia and spending a lot of time there

growing up as well. It had the same kind of vibe of that, you know, know, earthy, you know, beautiful forest and everything. And so that's where I drew my connection. And I had a chaotic childhood. I did not have an easy childhood. Both my parents having grown up in that system, they had a lot of issues that they couldn't really take care of me. And so there wasn't that focus of love and nurturing and all of that thing that you're supposed to get that as, you know, going through psychology, I learned about called secure attachment. You're supposed to securely, you're a wonderful mom and you've connected beautifully with your kids, which I really honor. But not every mom is like present to do that. And so I didn't have that. So my secure

attachment came from the divine. And because it was that or checking out, you know, which I went through my periods of thinking about checking out as well. But it was either or, either I have that strong connection or there's nothing else around. Because we left all of my family back in Ireland. And we moved without knowing any adults, knowing any people. And then my parents moved like every year of our life in different places. So there was never like a solid, okay, these are my neighbors. These are my people.

So to get that grounding in that stability, I would find the divine in nature. And I would talk to it. And I would see how the little bugs and the flowers, they all were taking care of. and if they could be taking care of than I could be. And so that was my lifelight. Now, I went through a period where I sat in my room and listened to Metallica all day and wanted to commit suicide. So I had that balance and I went and did a radio show with a bunch of anarchists, communist radio show. When I was in my little Navy school Catholic uniform, I would like put on my leather jacket and go and do the communist radio.

So I had my period of. like going through and I did a punk magazine and stuff like that while I was in Catholic high school. But still from being young and having that grounding in nature that connected me to. Anyway, full circle, when I met somebody who I really wasn't planning on settling down or having a relationship, I'm like, I can live on my own. I don't need to be one of these women that are oppressed like all of the women in my family. I don't need it. I'm going to college. I'm doing my thing. The universe had other plans. And I meant. someone. You know, I had to really reconcile finally with my sexuality. I'm like, okay, this thing,

part of me is not operating correctly because all I knew was the negative, damaging, destructive view of it. I got from the women in my family was that this part of your human expression is not for you. It's for the other person you're with. You know, it's a duty to give this. And that just didn't feel right. And thankfully, I met someone who did not come from a background like that, who thought that that was craziness. And at that time, I found a book called The Woman with the Alabaster Jar by Margaret Starboard, a woman who lives in Washington State, who wrote it in 1994, and I found it in like 1995 when I was starting my relationship. And what really got me about this woman's story was she was really conservative. And she hated that another book called Holy Blood, Holy Grail, said that Jesus

was sexual. She's like, I can't stand that. I got to do my master of divinity degree and show that there's no way he was definitely celibate and everything she turned up in terms of all the different customs at that time and everything was like oh my god it's the opposite and so i got to know her and at that time i said to her like okay this is a great historical story but how do we bring this to today and she goes well i don't know maybe that's your job and she said that way back then and i couldn't formulate that in my head but then you know what I was working in the corporate world, and my body was falling apart. I'm like, okay, I get it.

I'm not supposed to be here, but I don't have another plan. And I'm earning good money and everything. And then the next thing I know, I get fucking fired. In fact, I had seen a psychic a year earlier because I was still trying to grapple with why. Every time I went to the doctor, they could not pinpoint what the problem was. But I was in a terrible amount of pain. and she said it's your job you're not doing your calling and if you don't leave you're going to get fire which in the scheme of things i'm glad i that happened rather than getting a terminal illness

so i'm thankful but the day i was living in a condo downtown seattle and the day that that happened i went out to my dumpster i was in i was down in the dumps i was like literally and there was this ginormous picture of the black madonna which i know from Margaret Starboard is Mary Magdalene. By the Dunstead, that was framed, a beautiful piece of artwork. I had never seen anything like that before out there. And they were just like putting it by recycling. I'm like, holy crap, the universe is not against me.

I am supposed to go forward with my work. I started like doing a version of what I'm doing now back then in person in CEL area. I have a Bridgett, oh, let's see. I love that. Yes. And she was kind of like the introduction to the divine feminine for me. Because growing up Catholic, right, of course, there's Mary Magdalene. She was a whore.

And Mother Mary was just like this grieving mother. Yeah. This is what I thought in my mind. And those are the only two women of the Bible that I really connected to. with. So she was kind of my introduction, but as a Catholic, I didn't believe in goddesses. That was fairy tales and all that. But in Pistosophia is a, it's a Gnostic gospel. It was found in the 1800s, part of the Nagamati Library. But in that book, Mary Magdalene is throughout the entire book. It's basically Mary Magdalene and Jesus having conversation. And she is seeking

and curious in asking, and he is responding. And there's like this teacher, student, parent, daughter. I mean, it's just like this relationship where I don't know about you, but as a mother, my kids have been my greatest teacher. As a facilitator, I am learning more from my clients than anything. So it was just a beautiful relationship of one of equality. but as a Christian, it took a long time to break those conditions of what a woman was. Oh, I know.

And what I've been told, I was like your podcast name. Why didn't I know? Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, we could go to all different directions on that. Some people might think that it was intentional. Yeah. And in another way, maybe it was covered. up all this time because now was the time it needed to be revealed because society is a

freaking mess right now. The world is in chaos and what is missing, we're missing the feminine presence and that knowledge that was locked out. And, you know, Isaac Newton, the apple got dropped on his head and he came up with a lot of gravity. He was an alchemist, right? And they didn't know that until like 1936 when they found, He had written over a million words on alchemy. Anyway, he was very critical of the Catholic Church. And he believed that alchemy had happened before the flood, but then it had reemerged in the first century.

What he's basically saying is the Christian story was supposed to be alchemy. He says that all of that changed in the fourth century at the council and I see it. They clamped it down, may Jesus Christ, God kind of erase the real story about Mary Magdalene and put this very dictatorial, real-based thing that wasn't about transforming yourself into an enlightened being, was about keeping you oppressed and so forth. And so

Newton said, he predicted, based on his calculations on all of this, that the world would end in 2016 because of the robbing of alchemy from the people. Wow. 2060, which is like not too far from here. He said, when you take that knowledge, you're suppressing all of humanity. And that suppression is going to eke out in different dark ways. And eventually that will overtake humanity. Like basically, he kind of said there's two choices in 20.

And it's not like that's written in stone, but coming up, he was writing in the 1700s. So he's like looking ahead. But there's two choices. Either we fall to this like oppression. that has taken over, or we reclaim the original teachings, which is the original Egyptian religion, which is the original, you know, nature-oriented religion of all people. Either we reclaim that and reclaim our power as people and stop being oppressed, or this thing that's been, you know, oppressing us over time that's gradually getting more steam,

we'll level out people. Like there's a choice, and we are co-creators in which direction humanity goes. So, yeah, and he was too scared to release his one million words on alchemy when he was alive because you could have got killed by the Vatican at that time for that. He's the one that found out that white light has all the colors of the rainbow, and he found that out by studying alchemy. Like he found out all of his scientific discoveries by the science that was available in early alchemy and our chakras are the different light spectrums and there has been university

research done a couple decades ago showing that the different chakras are vibrating at different electromagnetic frequencies right and so the dying in alchemy was raising your frequency so all of these different colors in your body all of these different energy. centers all become one color like they you die the the chakras are actually merging to become one color which is the white light as you raise your frequency you know like in the gospel philip says god is a dyer and it's like what god is a d y er what the heck is that he's a dire because dying is part of what alchemy was it wasn't just working with metals but But if we are not told that we are more than flesh and blood, and this is where I do kind of

go on the conspiracy route, because the central intelligence agency has documents that show that they know that we are non-material. And if we found this out, we would be able to cure diseases with our mind. We would be able to shift things with energy. We wouldn't be dependent on this corrupt system. We would be empowered being. But there is intelligence agencies that have the physics of our body and our consciousness, that they have kept that under wraps because you can also use that to control people, their mind, through vibration on different things. But then there's what is told in schools.

And so when I wanted to study all of this, I'm like, okay, is this just ancient stuff or is there anything real about it now? And I found out this guy, unfortunately, all these people are dying, but I found this guy a couple of years ago. He had the street cred to really bring this message. So he had his physicist degree from MIT and Princeton. And he said he did not know that the human body had this energy. And, you know, like you're a Reiki master. That's the energy we're talking about, right? And, you know, so you have these tradition, and you have that school.

but you can't go into an alabathic doctor and they won't necessarily believe that that's real energy. What he said is there is hard science to show that, but he never missed in MIT. He never learned it in Princeton. He went to Ivy League schools. They said it didn't exist. You know when he found out that it exists when he got a contract job at the CIA? When he got a contract job of the CIA, he was just astounded. very not not fringe people but very well respected scientists that he knew we're talking about

remote viewing we're talking about these different and that does not get explained by mainstream science it only gets explained by this energy force that is the energy force of rakey that is the energy force of consciousness that the energy force of alchemy and all of that well he found out that the russian government the germans the chinese is it's a This is the science or cheap, but our government has spent, and the Russians have spent millions and millions and millions. Well, he left his work at the intelligence agencies, and he put together a few 700-page books to show that there is research that's been going on in this, that is verifiable, that this is not kooky stuff. Like, it's real, and it brings the esoteric world into the scientific world. Now, that's what alchemy is.

It's emerging of the science and the mysticism. And, but he did say in one of his books, he said that this stuff was taught in mystery schools before, but now we have this verifiable science. And so he wrote on his website, like a year before he died, he said, there's a change going to happen on the world. But we have to usher it in. And we have to know our power of consciousness and of mind in order to steward this new change. We can't just be passive and go, like we have to know who we are to cope. create this new world. So I was actually reaching out to him because I wanted to interview him and I couldn't hear back from him. I'm like, what's going on? What's going on? And then finally I got

a hold of his sister and she goes, he passed. She was kind enough to keep his website going and to keep his books and publication. So she's keeping his message out there and stuff. But would you mind mentioning who he is? Oh, yes, please. Yeah, I'm so sorry. I didn't. Claude Swanson. And his website is called synchronized universe. And the one book that really documents this life force energy is called Life Force. It's his second book. And he shows how this has been known. For instance, Wilhelm Reich is talking about the same energy. He came to the United States and was curing cancer with this. And our government put him in jail. And his books were burned. Knowledge of this would totally transform how we treat, disease, everything.

But you know what? It's not profit based in the same way. This is talking about not putting money first. It's putting consciousness first. And it's a radical shift. I love that. Putting consciousness first. Wow.

I'm in this world where I'm always talking to amazing people like you. And so, you know, sometimes I look out. of the bubble you know neighbors or whatever and you know it is a woo-woo conversation but it is not that woo-woo and I always say and I'm a part of new reality TV and I always say like this is the new reality you know that we have awakened to we're multidimensional and also DNA right I mean generations I'm an ancestral genealogist this is what I do I've never experienced more healing than I have just bringing awareness to the stories that have gone and told, you know, from our ancestors.

And, you know, I think it's beautiful that you still hold, that there's something, you said there's something about the land in Ireland that you were connected to and how it brought you peace and you learned to find mother there. We've been so programmed to think it's God, Father God, that for me, reading the Pist of Sophia, learning of the Gnostic Gospels. I've been studying them for five years now and having the understanding of why wouldn't there be a mother God? Like, how can you have a spiritual family? How can you have anything without a womb? Right, right. Right? There's, it's got to be, it can be father, son, and a ghost. There's got to be a mother. And actually now knowing and doing research,

it is a mother. Yeah. And I grieved my religion. I really did. I was mad. Oh, yeah, I get you. I get you. It's really a crime. What's happened with that? It really is as a teacher of sacred sexuality, I am aligning with that system in a different way than I grew up with. In the Eastern traditions, first of all, I think I probably have lifetimes of coming from this, you know,

European, whatever it is. So the Eastern, even though I love traveling there, and I have friends from different parts of the world. It's not intuitive for me as much. Plus the fact that when I really dug into this deeper wisdom of the alchemy and Christianity, there's an honoring of the feminine as the epicenter of it that I didn't see in some of the other Eastern traditions. More the life force is coming from the man. And, you know, if he depletes his life force, it's all about his life force.

And so what I'm seeing in the alchemy here is when I was reading the papers from Isaac Newton that have been put online, his papers from the 1700 alchemy, I came across Mary the Prophetess as I traced it out. There's lots of reasons to believe she was Mary Magdalene. So here is this scientist learning from this first scientist because alchemy was originally a science. Her name also being Mary Magdalene. That's why I don't see her as just a student of Jesus. I see her as possibly bringing this knowledge to him, right? The Gospel of Mary Magdalene was found in Alchem, Egypt, where Zosimos, the very, you know when that Library of Alexander burnt down and we almost lost everything? The things that haven't been lost are records by this third-century

alchemist called Zosimos, who identified as a Christian and said his major teacher was this woman named Mary the prophetess, marry the Jewess, right? And, and, And so we don't have her books, but we have him quoting her all the time. And then Newton quoted her. And from both of these sources from Newton and from Sosimos, one of the things that I got was that she had made a statement that we lost alchemy when the philosophers, the Greek philosophers, you know, there was a time when it was thought that women didn't have a soul. and that kind of inspired this terrible misogynistic Christianity, that version of it.

Mary, the alchemist, says in her quoted writings, was that we lost the vessel of Hermes, the philosophers lost the vessel of Hermes, and when they lost that, they basically lost what alchemy was. And so there's all of this procreative imagery in alchemy. Carl Young, I totally respect him, but he took that. He was one of the ones, by the way, who thought that Mary Magdalene was married to the Jewish. Carl Jung was one of the ones that thought that. I totally respect him, but he went off in the direction that the feminine and masculine alchemy is all the inner work, and he went off in that direction.

He took this raw data from Mary, like this information that he was looking at as well, and he filtered it through his consciousness and then formulated his whole model of alchemy that is the basis of a lot of psychotherapy today. But if you peel it back, why was it so secretive? Why was it so controversial? And Carl Young has said himself, like, why the heck do they make it so secretive and everything? Like, it's about your inner alchemy. Well, it wasn't.

It was about frigging sex. That's why it was so secretive. It wasn't just, if it was just about your inner masculine and feminine, it wouldn't have been, you wouldn't have been hunted down and killed if you were doing it. Like, it was more than that. It was sexual ritual. And one of the basis, one of the rituals was a sacred Eucharist that marry the Jewish and is the basis of Christianity. But Christianity inverted it.

Christianity made it about like you've been to Catholic Church. You know exactly what I'm talking about, right? So you take the wafer, the bread, and the juice, and you're told that in Catholic, you're told that an alchemical thing goes on called transubstantiation, which. means that this piece of bread and this juice becomes the body and blood. That's frigging alchemy, man. Like transubstantiation, I don't care what the priests say. They won't like the word alchemy, but they're alchemists when they're doing their little consecration magic over these bread and wine and saying now it's a ritual.

Symbolically, you're agreeing on a spiritual level to eat flesh and blood. This God, it looks at you as a sinner and that you have to consume. the flesh and blood of this tortured man who had to die to pay for something, like had to do a blood sacrifice, which is a very dark ritual. Isaac Newton criticized the way the Catholic Church did the Eucharist. He was horrified. He wrote in his writings how wrong it was. And this is one of the reasons why he knew the society was going to fail because they distorted this technology and made people believe there was this blood sacrifice that like really set the the course of the world on a really dark path. And there's a theologian who wrote in the third

century, all of the stuff is probably existing under the Vatican Archives today. One of these theologians was criticized, you know, the early Christians. And he talked about a Eucharist sacrament that happened, but it was sexual. Like, this is what connects Mary Magdalene and Mary the Alchemist. Because if you read books, on, like I have some dissertations and stuff on Mary Magdalene, they talk about the greater questions of Mary and this Eucharistic thing. And they're like, this sexual sacrament is 100% Mary Magdalene and Jesus. And then other people like the book called the Jewish alchemist, written by a scholar on alchemy. And he said, no, this is definitely the alchemist woman

that is in this sacrament. So there's good reason to believe that Mary Magdalene was the alchemist and the Eucharist was sexual. And it was very hard for this church theologian. to get it because he's like, what? It's basically Mary having a vision and that Jesus takes her up to the top of a mountain and they pray, which for me is the first, like when I look at Mary's alchemy, the first step in this sexual alchemy is to bring consciousness to the act. You're not just like, hey, let's hook up. You're bringing, like there's a mindset to do with it.

There's an understanding to do with it. and raising your frequency, getting into a higher state of consciousness. And then after they're in the mountain and after they pray, the next thing is Jesus takes this woman from his side. And if you look at this very literally left brain, this is why people think, oh, that's terrible. Well, the same thing is in the Gospel of Philip. Adam takes Eve from his side. Now, if this was a sexual act that doesn't make sense, right?

because the man is supposed to go inside the woman. But in this, the woman is being taken out of the man. So it's not a intercourse symbolism. It's not that. What it is is we have to understand, like the first sentence in the gospel of Mary is, what is matter? She's getting us to look at the fact that we are not flesh and blood. We are energy.

And you have to have like that mindset when you interpret this Eucharist. Because why are they taking the man, woman out of the man because their bio fields were merged their energy fields were merged they were that connected before they had sex now today in sex like porn sex or whatever it's like i can give a shit about you you could give a shit about me let's look up and let's fuck like there's no connection there's no consciousness it's just seen as physical but this is a very different thing they go to a mountain a higher state of consciousness they pray they're so connected energetically before they join their bodies.

Then the next thing was he has intercourse with her. That's where the psychedelic aspect comes in because when you're at that level of frequency and that, that level of connection and then you're actually having sex, you are generating a even stronger intentional field between the two of you. And you're accessing an altered state,

a really deep altered state. And the fluids in your body, are carrying that frequency and the next step is they exchange like they're consuming each other's bodily fluids which happens during sex you know and like that's one thing that the theologian he's like oh my god but this is part of the alchemy like it's actually part of the alchemy and so they exchange the fluids and and this is actually exchanging energy between the body because you know yin and Well, in terms of the actual physics of it, women carry left-hand torsion, men carry right-hand torsion. It's the spin of the electron.

And when those different spins come together, that's how you create a new child. But it's also how you create consciousness. And then it says that, of course, they're interpreting through their warped mind. So they say, Mary was disgusted and she fell to the ground and Jesus lifted her up. Well, we have to kind of read through that and go, okay, what really happened? there was a raising up. This was the kundalini rising. This was the rising of the energy up the spine.

So this sacrament, this Eucharist, raise them up. Like it couldn't be more different than the male priest having the only right over the alchemy sacrament, that being about honoring death and torture rather than love and pleasure, and that you are just have. to like plead to this man out there rather than something transformational happening in you like it couldn't be more different right and sort of what it was intended yes yeah you know when it go going back to that choice it was heresy that's consciousness to be able to make a choice is to be conscious and be aware yeah you know i study the nostic gospels right right

And I actually just, I don't know, so the work of Samuel War, are you familiar? I'm a little different than him. You know, I trust my body. When I read something and it feels icky in my body, like I am so against this whole new age thing of like become egosless. Holy shit. Like these women needed ego. They needed ego. And one of the things that I remember from Samuel Wirrell was, and not.

of the ego. As soon as you talk about annihilation of the ego, and I say the same thing with the people in psychedelics. Sometimes there's just like, we got to eliminate the ego. No, your ego is there, like to give you dignity and self-respect. You know, like if you are in a group of people and especially in a patriarchal society, when they're like eliminate the ego, that's an easy way to then dominate another human. If you have no ego, then you have no ego, then you have no. no backbone that says, screw that. I'm not going that way. Like, we need our ego. You know, I went to a wonderful energy healer in the local area. And I watched her work before she worked on me. And I said, what are you doing? She goes, I'm working on my own self-love and really, you know,

loving myself because I can't connect to my guides unless I really love myself. And I thought, wow, I love this woman. She's amazing. And that's the thing. If we're like, down on ourselves. I got to get rid of this ego. This is bad. I've got to get over, you know, this is exactly the same Catholic vibe of

I'm a lowly sinner, I'm bad. Like it's the same vibe. It's just different words. And I know what that produces. That produces people that are dormats, especially women. It does not produce someone who is more spiritually inclined.

In fact, there's research to show that you will not connect with that. higher power if you don't feel like you are deserving of love yourself. You won't feel deserving of that. So when he talked about annihilation of the ego, I don't think you can go through any of the sacred sexual stuff that I'm talking about if you don't first have a healthy ego. Because if someone's coming at you, disrespecting you, whatever, you need to be able to stand up for yourself. Now, there's a difference between control and being an asshole and having healthy ego, you know. And then the other thing I remember from his stuff was this push, pull with desire and sexual passion

and fire. And this whole thing that if you are really spiritual, you'll push that away and you won't. I can't remember how he formulates it. But there was this sense that the spiritual, is removing that from you. No, man, I think that is such a toxic thing. To have this fundamental teaching, which he has, I think he even said, like, it's evil or something. Like, the sexual passion is evil. Well, that is so, like, this is the opposite of what we see in the early alchemy.

She keeps talking about fire. She keeps talking about fire. And it is the fire. It is that passion that gets us that. excited. It is the passion that brings us. In fact, you know, when we say the words charisma, that someone has a lot of charisma, if we were to measure their biofield, your biofield would expand. That sexual energy is a magnetic energy. And to say that you have to be fundamentally at odds with it, right? Personally, I think that is the distinction when men try to interpret the sexual

technology, they start warring with it because they've probably warred with it themselves. You bring your consciousness to the interpretation. So he's interpreting it. We have to overcome this thing. We have to put a reins on this thing. But that is not the original feminine interpretation of this. It's that this energy, you bring consciousness to it. And the gospel Philip says trust and consciousness in the embrace. And it really makes it clear that it's not like, Every sexual act is going to bring this thing to you. It's when you bring trust and consciousness. When you're already fused at like a soul level with your partner,

it's not like just going, hooking up and having a lot of sacred sex. But it's when you have like a consciousness with your partner. When you trust. And I know like for a woman's body, our cervix is connected to our vagus nerve. I made her mind-body connection. Oh, I did not know that.

Yeah. So this is why we can get into a deeper state of consciousness than men. Like we are wired for a very deep state. And so when you allow your throat to open and allow big noise to come out as your orgasm. Same when you're birthing a baby. If you really allow that, it helps the contraction. It helps that. So the vagus nerve is the major mind, body connector. And that people have, you know, psychological issues. There's often something with the vagus nerve. It's all under. was called Wandering Nerf, Vegas Wanderer. And so it's going all over. And it's kind of like a caduceus because it's like wrapping around the left and the right. There's a Records University. They do sex research. Like a woman has so many different paths for this energy to move up. More than we are wired for these mystical experiences during sex and childbirth.

If we have the right setting, you know, and preparation for it, If we're not in lights blaring and being checked every second and, you know, there has to be a certain setting for it. But at Records University, they had people that had their spinal cords severed and, you know, they weren't supposed to be able to orgasm, right? And because nobody had ever thought that this vagus nerve has connection. And then these people were orgasm and they're like, what is? This is like an amputee, you know, who can sense its body. Yeah. And so they did all these scans on these people.

and they're like, they are doing it through their vagus nerve. And so we can have clitoral, we can have vaginal, we can have cervical. And really a cervical is all of that together. But there's different levels of like clitoral, you know, pleasurable. But when you're really at that deep, well, that happens through penetration, cervical, you feel like you are not really here anymore. You feel like you have taken a drug. And it's likely because of DMT.

What is being talked about now as a neurotransmitter that actually regulates our regular perception. It actually has to do with our retinas and everything like that as well as our pineal gland, as well as our third eye. But it's all part of our perceptual system. And so when we're at this higher frequency, when all of this energy rises up our body and our brain shifts into gamma brainwave state or at a different brainwave state, that is triggering this relationship. of this psychedelic within us now we have the capacity to get into that first if we have a patient lover who's with us who's you know taking their time and there's foreplay and there's all of that but then through intercourse through the rhythmic because you know how in cultures they'll have dancing and rhythmic dancing rhythmic chanting or when you have a rhythmic intercourse

that the pineal gland regulates all of our rhythms and it really responds to to rhythms, our circadian rhythm, our menstrual rhythm, biological clock rhythm, all of that. And it really responds to rhythm. So if there is this effortless lovemaking rhythm of intercourse, this not only heightens your own altered state, but the man through something called neural entrainment, they get to grasp what you're grasping. Like their brain will mirror what your brain Mary. So they get it by osmosis. So who I ask you, like based on that site, who is the epicenter of all of this transcendence? It's so long. And, and you know, I love a lot of this stuff about the sacred mother, but you know, not everyone chooses children. And this is available to every

woman. It's a sexual god. This is why I like Mary Magdalene. Yes, I believe she had Sarah and she had a child and all that. If you go to France, they do the pilgrimage every year to her. of her daughter. But Mary Magdalene really shows us what it's like to be a sexual woman, not necessarily your sexuality tied to maternity, your sexuality as being female. And that this altered state is not just linked to procreation. You know, there's something really strange about us as women in the, that is, again, shows that our creatrix designed us for consciousness producing sex because if if we were like the rest of the animal kingdom when we went into menopause we would die pretty quickly we would be gone right because as soon as you can't

which is why there's four goddesses now we're not just moving into crone and done yeah yeah but you know evolutionary biologist would say the purpose of reproduction the purpose of sex is reproduction and there's no use for you and and that's true and most of the animal kingdom, as soon as they stop being able to produce offspring, they're dead. There's just a few species that I even go into menopause, but then when they go into menopause, they die quickly. The female killer whale is one of the only exceptions to the rule where they last decades after they can, after they stop conceiving.

So male humans can conceive right up until death. So you could definitely say from an evolutionary perspective, perspective. Sex for them is about producing offspring. We're different. We have the sometimes more capacity for pleasure because it depends on self-confidence too. The more confident you are, like you don't care like your makeup's not perfect. Like you don't care about some of the external stuff when you're older. Right. And you have more confident. So you have more capacity to enjoy yourself during sex and more capacity for pleasure after menopause for a lot of women. and you have this full access to pleasure and this full access to the state of consciousness

for decades and decades after your evolutionary purpose is no longer there. So what that tells us is the divine design of female sexuality was to elevate the consciousness of humanity not to create babies. Creating babies is very important. We all need, you know, more people. But if we were baby making machines as our primary thing, We would be dead pretty soon after menopause. Now, men don't have more of a, you know, rudimentary function with their, with their sexuality. They have looked, for instance, for the vagus nerve connection in men, like, okay, maybe it's the prostate. Maybe it's not there.

They're not getting into that deep state. Like, it's not, they're getting into the deep state by having sex of women. So, you know how it says in stupid women's magazines? Oh, women take longer to get, you know, orgasm, it's because we're fundamentally designed to go to a far deeper place. And you can't just snap your fingers. You can't just be watching television and go into a transcendent state. There's preparation to move into your body.

Men can just get a heart on and get ready and then ejaculate and they're there because it's at a more superficial level if they just follow their regular body pattern. us our body is craving that transcendence and it wants to go deeper that's why it's wired to you know take longer then we can have these multiple orgasm we we can do all of these things plus the research shows that women can orgasm by thought alone and the research doesn't show men orgasms by thought alone we have this very powerful mind-body connection this has been really like stripped from us not to trust our intuition not to trust our body They have sex ed finally in schools here in Washington.

Yeah. And it's like there's three holes in a woman. You can put this in there. Like it's so Neanderthal. They have like it is so gay men. The way we're approaching it. It is, I mean, personally, if I was going to school, I wouldn't want to know that. Like, because it's treating you as an object.

Like, there's there's no consciousness about it. at all and so we have a long way to go in terms of reclaiming this stuff and bringing filter like there are all these conversations happening at these levels like what you're doing but has it filtered down it hasn't right you know i feel that way all the time jenny i i mean i think about everything i'm doing and everyone that's listening i'm just like hoping that they see the need for a conscious future generation and so when we are like coming together and having the sacred union of alchemy how is it like what are the things that you see that change in your life like how can that benefit someone to to do that so my life changed

quite a bit my gosh if you had seen me you know back when i started this journey like yeah we would assign each other because we were both probably a hot mess yeah totally i mean i was quiet mouse i didn't think i had anything to offer and because you because you know i had my own you know sexual assault experience and what happens with that is because the vagus nervous connected to to throat says that when somebody is assaulted in that way it closes their ability to speak you know and there is an immediate response in the female body even because the vagus nerve is 80% affront there's a two-way communication between the brain and the body most of the connection is actually coming through the body is telling the brain before the

and you ever had a feeling in your gut before you could even figure out why you felt like you're driving in traffic and you just feel and then you're like oh my god that car almost hit me but you felt it first well in a an unwanted sexual situation your vagus nerve is designed to freeze you put you into a nervous system shutdown and even if you wanted to get up and run even if you wanted to say you're paralyzed you are paralyzed it's like playing dead in the animal kingdom it's a it's a protective mechanism out there in the world and so i had a really shut down system and i didn't have a sense of even sex could be anything other than a traumatic or even a negative but it was actually through having positive experiences through sex

learning how to be back in my body then learning how to receive you know i had that experience early on about this celestial love out there but it wasn't like down in my body right there was a disconnect you know i could feel it lofty up there but then i had a lot of like moroseness down here like there was this separation but as soon as i started to feel this experience this different experience of sex it's like that merged like there was a feeling not like i'm blissfully happy all the time but i felt like that could come into me like that that celestial presence actually could reside in me and i tell you like i never felt so much power in my body by having these when i you know first start having these experiences i mean i feel like i could walk out the street

and pick up a car. But going from being completely immolence. Like there's nothing like sex to either crush a human or crush a woman, actually more specifically, because she has this, men can more compartmentalize it, but it's not the same in the way we're wired. So there's the quickest way to crush a woman is by that. But what we never hear of, hardly ever hear of, the way to reclaim, rehabilitate is a different experience of sex.

There is nothing. I mean, I enjoy the book by Naomi Wolf called Vagina, where she had her own epiphany that, holy crap, your level of empowerment is directly related to how embodied you feel in your sexuality. There is a consciousness that is unique to women, not that we're sexy and seductive, but that when you are connected with that life force energy, when you're not feeling like it's been taken from you that it's somehow you're disembodied from it when it's you feel present with it and connected with it it does something to your own ability to feel sovereignty yeah

yeah in charge of your life and and that's what I started to see and you know Mary Magdal was was instrumental in this because I had this old identity but I hadn't fully merged into this new identity. And I was having like, you know, I had an intellectual understanding, but not an embodying understanding. And I asked her to be present with me during that shift. And, you know, one time she like showed up in the moment with me. And that was like completely different. Like I had freedom, no internal dialogue, no second guessing, no downing, no, none of that. And, and, after that one experience, you know, with her with that merging, I felt like I had birthed a new identity and then I could show up as this new person because it takes a certain level of being

able to turn your mind off and not having all that chatter at the beginning. And after that experience with her, that turned off, which is a prerequisite for getting into the deeper experience. And you know, thankfully having the right partner is a big part of it too. I mean, I've done ayahuasca, but this is better for me. Like, this is more profound for me. So is it Christian's version of tantra? So I don't know, I haven't studied tantra a lot, but, you know, from some of my students, they've come and they've told me about, you know, seeing the divine and the other person and doing these concentrated breathing practices and things like that. There's not those types of practices in that kind of regimented way, because as soon as you're

following a script like that, you feel like you're having to perform sometimes. One of the things that Mary's alchemy was is recognizing that there is a force of nature that's beyond just you and me. So in Taunter, it's like, I'm the divine, you are the divine. It's us. But in this alchemy, it's yes, we are the embodiment of both an aspect of the divine. but there's a third presence. And this is what we see in DMT experiences.

People experience not just their own unconscious, but they experience a separate presence that they can dialogue with. And I know what that's like. The very first time I had one of these experiences, I felt like the room filled up with beings that I was having like angels that I was talking with. It's not just seeing the divine another person. It's like opening up to a new experience.

You know, a lot of times you hear in. tantra is, you know, delaying the ejaculation and not losing the life force. See, this is not when you look at the science. Why would you lose the life force if you ejaculate into the woman? Does that mean that she has no life force to give you? Right. That mean you're just losing it into an empty. You know? No, she's a powerful source of her own different aspect of this life force energy that you need, that your body can't produce. So there's an exchange that happens that elevates both of you. It's like one plus one is not two. It's one plus one equals five. But I think what they're getting at is it can't just be show up, have sex and come right away.

Like a woman's body needs lasting time. You need time. And the man needs to get into the consciousness too. It can't just be that. So I think that what may have originally been intended to foster like a longer period of time became an obsession with semen retention. But then it became this idea that you're losing life force. Where did we get this idea that we're losing life force? It's presupposing that she's not giving him anything. See how I feel like it's kind of misogynistic? You know?

And that's not what I see at all. In fact, she is generating this deep experience herself through the lovemaking. Her body is generating this. And through the intercourse, he's taking this. on as well. So it's a different mindset of what to expect. Plus, Jenny Wade, who wrote a book called Transcendent Sex, and she said, in tantra and Taoism, you're supposed to stop having sex after you reach a certain spiritual level. That's not what we're seeing here in this original Eucharist sacrament. And the same thing in the bridal chamber in the Gospel of Philip.

It doesn't say this is a path to get to something else. If you interpret those words as sex, which I do. It's not like, okay, use this and then do away with it. No, it's like you need all of nature existing relationship. This relationship is your path. It is not that you're supposed to become celibate. I mean, why are all these problems happening in the Catholic Church? Because when you forcibly try to ignore your humanity, it comes out in really bad ways. And Jesus was Jewish. eyes have wives. Exactly. Exactly. And you know, to rape, you know, with a partner. I mean, look at the dove. And I was going to ask you, the dove often is in the Eucharist. It's also the vision or the picture that I actually received

in my backyard one day before I knew any of this when the sun and the moon were equal. And above my head came a white dove, one white dove. And I didn't know, but years later, finding out that's like the artwork that people have made of the alchemical marriage i love that it's interesting because the dove does represent like the eucharist i'm a big visual person oh yeah that's a beautiful right but i mean this is often how it's shown but so that the grail it's interesting it is and you know why i think the dub is so profound because it reminds me of in the goth of Philip how it says how could the feminine impregnate the feminine the feminine okay so the holy spirit is always symbolized as a dove yeah but today

in Christian churches they say it's a man well originally the dove was female and the gospel of Philip is reinforcing that it's saying that first of all that she was virgin and secondly that the Holy Spirit is male no the Holy Spirit is female so how could the holy spirit impregnate a female this energy is the female energy female energy female energy is this regenerative energy you know the deaf also descending i think usually um depicted and it's the messenger between heaven and earth right she is and i believe she is sophia the mother god and you know you have the kundalini right or going up but you have oftentimes you know this And I think that that's basically, that's, that's alchemy, right?

Look at it as earth and heaven and where are the in between, you know? Yeah. Well, there's this concept of Cleopatra was a student. And there is some belief that actually the Egyptian queen was the, some people disagree with this. But Cleopatra was an alchemist and it could quite possibly the queen. But there is a connection between that and some of the teachings of early alchemist. with Mary. And there's this image of a snake biting its tail. Right. That's the example for theosophical society. Okay. Yeah. And they interpret that as the Kundalini that is driven by love.

There's a book that has only been in French for a long time. It really hasn't been translated to English that contains some of these early interpretations. It's Zosimos in the third century, when the library of Alexander didn't get burned down. He records a lot of this stuff from Mary the J.O.S. and some of Cleopatra and stuff. But then there's another book by Jack Lindsay who contains some of this stuff as well. But yeah, this eating of the snake's tail, which is when you think about the ascending and descending dove, one of the things I get couples to do when they're having intercourse is to visualize this light between them as a circle. because it's not like you're making the light happen.

The light is happening on its own. But the more that we bring conscious awareness to what is already happening, the more it facilitates it happening. You know, more that we just effortlessly allow our mind to see that. It's bringing heaven to earth. It is that ascending and descending energy. That is, if you're having intercourse and you're joining your mouth at the same time, like you're kissing at the same time,

you're actually feeling that light and seeing that light energy go from your mouth into their mouth, down their heart, down their body, you know, down their genitals, up through your genitals, up through your heart, down your mouth. And you can feel the energy building as you stay in that vibe. And what she really says, what Cleopatra and Mary really talked about is the miracle working power and this whole thing is love. That's what they say. It's love. You know, I think back to, you know, just the history of women and the history of Mary. and love and how love was forbidden between arranged marriages. Yeah.

Yeah. And we had no voice, which now we do. And so how do you work with people? I know you have your podcast, so you're putting out info there so people can go to your podcast to learn more, but you mentioned your clients. How do you work with them? Yeah. So I have courses.

I teach online. Just like with psychedelics, it's not the drug that necessarily produces the alcohol. comitimately literally said, it's the mindset and the belief system around it that really produces the effect. So what they call in psychedelics, it's the set and setting. And this is what we're doing in these courses that I have either for women or for couples, is to really get a new mindset. And I bring in the science because we really need to understand, okay, what is happening with the energy body when you're having sex? How are your thoughts, certain types of thoughts, fear, inducing sex. It's not like there's a moralistic judgment about that, but that is going to

reduce your energy fields. And what is the altered state that is going to produce a long-lasting beneficial thriving state for your whole being? Because you can get into an alter state and then feel depleted. Like you can have a rush of euphoria, a rush of, you know, your body can give off some kind of you know pain medicine really like opioids and you're like high and then you're just dead yeah yeah and then you're dead well that is sex can produce that certain type of sex can't produce that kind of up and then crash but then is there a way to have sex where we can have that transcendent state but then we're not depleted we actually feel more confident more in charge more clear, less brain fog, less unsure about ourselves, more, you know, connected and loving to

other people, more connected to our spirit, you know, and all of those things. And there's a path of sitting in a, you know, meditation retreat and disciplining the body and overcoming the body to elevate the spirit. That's one path. But then there's this feminine path of sensuality and pleasure and you know which can be done through self pleasure like i do teach a course that is for women that is really focused on the self pleasure aspect of this and then there is a partner aspect of it two different aspects and a lot of times it's really important for women to get the personal aspect before they jump into the heart because there's so much for women there's so many levels you know bodies just morphia you got the generational patterns like there's a lot yeah a lot of people

only talk to their medical doctor about sexual issues. And their medical doctor can be helpful but not really to understand all the nuances of the mind, body connection and the spirit connection. And, you know, when there is something not functioning the way you want it in your body, a lot of times it is to do with your something emotional to work through, you know. And I used to work at a sex therapy clinic locally and people would come in and they'd go, I don't have enough desire. I don't have enough desire. What's wrong with me? Well, when you really ask them, what is your sex life like? The sex was so rushed and so not honoring a woman's body. I wouldn't desire that either. Ram, bam. Thank you, ma'am. But then a woman has an epiphany.

What do you mean? Like, I'm not like broken? Like, no, no, you just need to know what your body needs and know what your body wants and it was a long time it was thought that sexual desire was the way that men have sexual desire was the way that women have now it's realized that a lot of times women don't necessarily get all excited for sex right away but once there is the you know the giving and taking the exchange and the intimacy their body warms up to it and they want it So it's a different model of how arousal takes place. And for a long time, university research just assumed that the way the male body was is just the way that there was a unisex brain and there is a unisex brain when it comes to sex.

The reason I focus on the cervix is that there is no baby without, you know, the opening of the cervix for the baby to come out, right? I mean, that is the gateway between your baby staying in an alter. state. And there's some reason to believe that they're having DMT in the womb. Like on pre-curses of DMT have been found in the placenta. So there is like tripping out state in your womb. And it was only when the cervix opens that they come out. So it's the gateway between the worlds. If we, you know, come through vaginal birth, we all enter the world through the cervix, through that portal. But then how do we become reborn?

It's by interacting with that same gateway. Because it's shaped like a donut, a donut is really important in physics. And a donut can, if it's stimulated and you're excited, it can spin at very high velocity. The energetic part of your surface, not just the flesh and blood, the energetic part of it can spin at a very, very high rate. And that can send cascades of energy up your whole body to your brain, shifting your consciousness. So I believe when the Bible is talking about born again, it was talking about go have sex with a woman and be born again. Clearly, the disciples were not understanding a lot of what Jesus was saying because they question about the Eucharist. They go, what are you talking about?

We see that in the gospel, Mary. They're like, we do not get this. And Jesus said when he was talking about, I actually went back to the Bible the other day because I was looking at this again. In John 3.3, he says, they're talking about this concept of born again. And they're like on this one track. And he's trying to talk about condolini rising, which can happen through this cervix orgasm. He says in John 313, and no one has ascended into heaven, but he who has ascended from heaven, even the son of man. So Moses was an alchemist.

Very next thing Jesus says, when he's talking about himself ascending, he goes, and as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up. He's talking about Condolini Rising. John 313 in the regular Bible. So what Isaac Newton is saying and what I'm saying here, like Isaac Newton did not believe that this knowledge was a side religion. He believed this was the main Christianity. The word Gnostic came up from one of these church theologians that criticized Christianity trying to act like it was a separate thing.

What Isaac Newton said is garbage. This was not a separate thing. This was the central teachings of Christianity that they distorted for their political purposes. His whole belief, Isaac Newton was saying when the church became wedded with the political leaders, which was really to use religion to control the masses, that's when the world was going to go downhill because it became a weapon of control against the people. And he believed that regular Christianity was all this stuff we're talking about, not a side Gnostic thing. Because a lot of the Gnostics believed the flesh was corrupt.

They wouldn't have gone in for this whole thing. You know, a lot of them thought the flesh was corrupt and this world was shed. Like this world was fallen. Mary, the Jewish, was saying, no, our consciousness, we are the ones that can bring a heavenly presence on this planet. I think that sometimes it's brought to us in a language that it's so foreign to us. I like the way that you deliver it. I think that it's receivable. I mean, it makes so much sense.

You didn't sexualize women in any way or men. I can see the divinity and the purpose and the need to have a conscious feature in sex education. So you know one thing that's motivating me? So I read a book about rape by a woman who's an anthropologist. She died a couple years ago. But she had like five rapes on her college campus. And she's like, holy crap, like what is going on, right? so she went and she did a study there are books out there that say rape is evolutionary men are

always going to like it's just going to happen in fact they bring it down to biochemistry and they go there's like this thing and it's just always good and she's like bullshit I don't believe it and her whole aim was if I can find one society that didn't rape women then I can blast that out of the water that is not part of our makeup and she did and what she found was that when there was a kind of a religious understanding. Like when people honored nature, they honor the woman's body. And when they honored the woman's body, it was like, I can't rape her. I can't like disrespect her sexually because then I'm disrespecting my food source and where I live and all of that. And she went to live with some people in Indonesia for 13 years, which was the last

society that was she categorized as almost rape free. And they were called the Manank about people. These were not hunter and gatherers, though. You could get a university. education there this was an industrialized place but they went with their matriarchal based system it changed when the internet came in in 19 you know in the 1990s that's when rape started happening but in the 13 years that she lived there there was only three rapes and two of the people that lived in that community they had committed rape and they were so ashamed because there's shame if you go against the cultural norms in that group and so they had defiled a woman they soon had suicided themselves because they felt so shameful for doing that.

The third person that raped was a foreigner. And the people just got that guy out of town. Like they got him out of town. And like they were fine. And women grew up to know that their desire and their sexuality and was like they, you know, it was fine to dress sexual and say that I love sex. And, you know, it was like a normal part of life. And men just honored the women.

But it wasn't like they were like. demasculized men either you know like it was it worked but it was all based on a framework of this is our connection to the world this is honoring this is sacred it wasn't there was definitely a spiritual rootedness to it she says that when there's creation stories that the woman was the sinner or the woman was the downcast this is what creates male domination and this is so her whole thing what And this is what kind of drives me, is if we have a different story about what sex is and about what women are, and the way they're teaching sex in school today is that there's a couple body parts where you can stick together. Like, it is a crime, like, compared to knowing that we

know now that if there's a spiritual foundation for this topic, we can eradicate sexual violence. Like, holy what? Crap? Like, most every woman, you'll ask, like, are you worried about working walking down a dark alley or being in an underground parking lot they'll say like it's so normal today we think of course well if you read peggy sanday's book you're like no not every woman walked around like that all the time even in industrialized societies it's not normal it's not normal see if i was i'm not driven by people having better orgasms i'm not driven by people you know right having um you know feeling so much more yeah better in the mirror this is like if we don't don't repair this like sex trafficking is a direct line between this and sex trafficking you know

yeah yeah and then the self harm and all of that because once you you know demolish what it is to be a woman once you desecrate that image of that sacred woman it's a free reign to just you know in the book 1984 by george orwell it said we are not going to take your souls we are going to make you willingly give your souls. Like, what kind of sadistic thing is it to actually make someone want to do that? Like, this is when society has lost all understanding of the sacred and the sacred feminine. So that's what drives me is these things are all connected. Like, the problem we have today, and I was at a big, lots of people giving money today to sex traffic organizations in Seattle.

I was a whole convention hall was filled well I just said I wanted to do something like that or give money give time I I feel that right now yeah but there's an attention of it and they're finally coming to the idea that okay we need to have rights based like I have a right and I think that's a great step but knowing that it all connects to having a sacred spiritual understanding because you're having these high level wonderful beautiful life giving conversations we need to have this stuff filtered down to the world you know because like this stuff is powerful and like but there's conversations happening out there and there's people you know that are being affected that somehow aren't getting the information right you know so I mean

thank you for the work you do I really enjoy talking to I know you too I can listen I I'm serious. This could be like a five-hour interview because literally I learned so much and I have so much more to say even. And I've held back because I knew if I kept going, then I would like we'd be here forever. But I mean, that's just how much I can talk to you. So we'll just have to have another conversation continue to have those trickle down as much as we can. And you know, it's really funny as I get older, some of my conversations are as pleasurable. So I thought it was very interesting how you say women can just think and have an orgasm because, you know, some really deep conversations excite you so much. It is a historic feeling, right? And you do, you're raising that energy.

It's about energy and how your body is reacting. You really brought that to me today. Thank you. Well, thank you. And you too, right back at you. I appreciate it. I mean, we went deep right from the beginning because there's meaningful stuff. There's meaningful stuff out there. And I really feel like it was divinely led for us to connect. Yeah, big time. I really needed our conversation before too. So thank you so much. Tell everybody where they can find you. Yeah. So my website is D-R-J-N-N-N-Y, M-R-T-I-N.com. Maybe you would be able to link it. I don't know. Yes, absolutely. My free webinars on my site. And I'm on X. I've been there on. for a long time. And substack, I do substack. And yes, I'll be restarting my podcast soon again

as well. And I do, you know, webinars from time to time and then teach the classes as well. I really appreciate that. I think what you're doing is very important, Dr. Jamie. Thank you. If you want more of sense of soul, check out my website at sense of soulpodcast.com. It's time to awaken.