Sense of Soul - Psychic Development

Episode Date: October 18, 2021

Today on Sense of Soul Podcast we are students once again. We had a fun conversation with Kawena Charlot, teacher of Spiritual Development. She went from the Islands, to Hollywood, to another World, one that  she shares with us on today’s episode.  Kawena has an eclectic background. Spending years in sales and marketing, did a fair amount of television and movies in my youth and has a BA in Theater and Film from UCLA. Today she owns the longest running psychic school in Portland, Oregon called the Intuitive Path Academy. She teaches psychic and intuitive development, energy healing and has a clairvoyant program where people can learn a lot about what is going on behind the veil and how to see and read energy. With her clairvoyant tools she has learned how to release energetic and mental blocks with more ease, humor and to create the life that she wants more effectively. Kawena offers most of her classes online now, so more people can have access to learning the life changing tools she teaches. Find her amazingness at her websites www.intuitivepathacademy.com www.kawenacharlot.com What’s new with Sense of Soul… check out our website www.mysenseofsoul.com   Did you know…anyone can listen to Shanna’s Untangled Mini-Series - Episode 1, available now on Patreon and you can join our Patreon membership at any level to listen to the entire series released weekly exclusively on Patreon. You can also get exclusive episodes, Mande’s RAW, live readings and more! Please take a second to give us a 5 STAR review, it help sponsees find us so we can continue to bring you amazing lightworkers each week!

Welcome to the Sense of Soul podcast. We are your hosts, Shanna and Mandy. Grab your coffee, open your mind, heart and soul. It's time to awaken. Today we have with us Kavena Sharlow, founder of the Intuitive Path Academy. Kavena is a gifted psychic, healer and spiritual teacher who brings laughter, joy, creativity, and deep spiritual insight into all of her classes. Kavanaugh was an actress as a child, getting then her BA in theater and film from UCLA, which taught her much about emotions, personality, motivation, body connection, and the human condition. She also studied many different spiritual paths from Christianity to the Eastern practices, traveling and studying all over the world. She found that

she had a clairvoyant path that offered a synthesis and a spiritual purity that created a container for all of the practices she had done. What she found in this clairvoyant path was no dogma, no religion, only tools to see universal answers for yourself. Today, her goal is to help other people who are on that same path. And we are super excited that she's here to share that with us. Hello. Nice to meet you. Hi, Mandy. I'm Kavanaugh. Nice to meet you. Do you have any questions for us before we get started? No, I'm pretty open. I'm happy talking about pretty much anything.

Okay. Is there any places you guys don't want me to go? We want you to go anywhere and everywhere. And the more like weirder and unknown and uncommon, the better. Okay. I mean, ideally, if you have an alien hiding in your room that you want to bring out to talk to us, we'd be really excited about that. Where do you live?

I'm in Portland, Oregon. I just walk into the grocery stores and see aliens here. I love it. They're not joking. they're walking among you they are they look like hipsters we have them here too we might be one of them colorado oh yeah with all the underground with all the bases and stuff over there our airport yeah no shit i've seen that's intense. Yeah, just everything out there is intense. And my brother and my family works out there and they verified to me that they do have

all those underground tunnels under the airport. It's really bizarre. And I told Shannon, the perfect thing to do to get people to think that it's not true is to mock it. So right now, if you walk through our airport, every single sign is, Ooh, construction for new restaurants or underground tunnels for the, like the Illuminati, they're mocking it. They're mocking it like on every wall. And did they take down the mural? Nope's all sitting right there and then you you drive out and you still have the horse and with the red eyes yeah yeah because yeah did you know that that guy died it was his dad's art the horse fell over and killed his father and then he finished it it's like got this really creepy story behind it. And I really don't understand that horse, but whatever. It's from the Bible. It is. Tell us the four horses of the apocalypse. I thought it was the Bronco horse. No, it's got red eyes. It's pretty demonic.

No. Cause they had the whole murals were about the apocalypse. And then you drive out and there's the horse. And if you read revelations there's the four horses I don't remember which one's which but one of the horses of the apocalypse so well thank god we don't have four of them god knows where they put the others maybe they're in the underground yeah probably have one at walmart this would be a good topic right here. And we're not even. We could use it. Hey, Shanna, just so you know, the Bronco horse is white, my friend.

It was sitting on top of the stadium. It's always been white. There's no way that you would do that, right? Hide everything in plain sight and then you mock it or you make, you know, it's all gaslighting. Don't look at what's in front of you. Right. gaslighting don't look at what's in front of you right i mean for god's sakes they have a massive emblem in the tile of the airport that says established by the new world order on this date for the grand opening yeah but the new world order doesn't exist you obviously don't know how to read something's wrong with you right it's so weird it's so weird. It's so weird. Oh my God, you're awesome already.

Okay. You're people. Yeah, I know. I'm like, oh, they're like awake and aware. Because a lot of times people are new age or are not awake. You're like, oh, you're not really awake. No, you want to know what I want to do and research more as and Shanna and I have but how do we not let them affect us if we can't avoid seeing them so basically that's one of the reasons I teach is it really really helps to be able to manage all that and control it helps to know how to get rid of them because we are in an interdimensional world it's really fun and it's exciting to see but it's almost like a hand in glove. Like you want to be able to control your space and, you know, like set rooms and find when stuff is on you and get,

and I feel like it's more imperative now than any other time. I don't know, since I've been in this, I've been doing this for 15 years and right now with the AI and you guys are like saying, go there to the crazy stuff. So there's the AI has been coming in for the last year and a half. I just see weirder and weirder and weirder stuff on people. And I, my little babies, the new ones are like, you know, like, what is this? You know, you pace it out, but it's so important to keep our humanity and keep our body and our pineal glands. And cause that's how we elevate spiritually, right? That's how we can leave our body. That's how we have this whole energetic system set up. And when some of that stuff starts messing with it. And so it's, it's

really hugely important right now to like learn how to protect your space. No, seriously. I actually was thinking the other day, I've had a lot of activity at my house. I see things moving all the time. I've got poltergeist. My daughters are both clairvoyant as well as I am. And so they see stuff and we always see it around the same time. So it's not a coincidence. And I was sitting here thinking it's not a negative energy. And then I was like, wait a wait a second does it matter because there's so much but how do you feel about that I mean I don't mind sharing space with them but should I there's no shoulds it's a personal choice how you want to manage your space or how you want to manage your physical space is a personal choice I have a whole posse of spirit guides that I have working with me so I have spirits around me all the time, but I call them in.

We have very specific agreements. Right. Okay. Yeah. I prefer not to have my house, but that's my personal choice. No, your house has got a lot of stuff going on. I help clear houses and stuff too. So I've seen lots of reasons why spirits get stuck.

And it varies from spirit to spirit. Usually they think they did something bad and they're kind of afraid to move on. You know, I mean, if they're coming here because they think I have time to help them, I absolutely have zero time. They need to go down the street. I know her name is Lisa. She's right down the street. You might just be open. You might just be open to having them there and not kicking them out. So if you want to reclaim the space, you can, I can help you with that if you want to. You can certainly reclaim it if you want. It can be disconcerting. You know, you can help move them on. And the higher the vibration of the house, people will have certain areas of homes that the spirits will go in. And it's almost like people

don't want to be in there because the spirits are there. Sometimes people make agreements. I had a woman call me. It was hilarious. She called and was called and was like you saved me I've had it they're popping my wine bottles oh wow she had so much stuff that all her good wine was she had a beach house and all her good wine was getting popped and you know well so I went and she basically had told all the spirits just I, I know I feel you here. Just don't be in the same room that I'm in. And so it was kind of an opening for all these spirits. So they were all like, yay, party at the beach.

And the next thing you know, there was like hundreds of wayward spirits hanging out in her house because she had said, it's okay if you're here, just don't be in the same room as me. And then it was funny because she'd walk into a room and she could feel this whoosh because they'd be all like, oh, she's in the room. And so they'd run to another room. It was fascinating and it was hilarious cleaning it. Another thing is that the spirits are out of time sometimes. So for them, it can feel like two or three weeks. And for us, it could be 50, 150 years. And that same house clearing, we asked someone, there was a man, a woman, and a little girl, and they all met on the other side.

And the little girl was, you know, in that little penny floor with the ringlets, you know, the very 18th century. And she had died in a shipwreck and she was, she heard her doll and she was waiting for her mom. And this other woman had died and found the girlreck and she was, she heard her doll and she was waiting for her mom. And this other woman had died and found the girl and was like taking care of her. And they were all in this woman's washer and dryer room. And she was having all this mold and all this water. And it was like an overlay. So you went in and there was this big ship. They felt like they were in the hull of a ship, but for this this woman it was her washer and dryer and she

kept getting water and she's like there's no water but why am I having water marks all over the ceiling and it was the the energies were kind of coalescing so we moved them out and it was basically just under you know explaining that they were dead and they weren't going to get hurt the little girl was okay you just kind of give them a little healing and that she's, her mom is on the other side and nobody's mad that she hurt her doll or something. And my partner at the time asked the male, he's like, how long have you been here?

You know, what's the last thing you remember? The guy's like chopping a tree. He's like, when was that? He was like the 1930s. He was like, how long does it feel like you've been here? He's like, it feels like I've been here he's like it feels like I've been here for about a week but I came back and everything was different whoa okay right so he got like a little psychic detective like how what is this like for you and asking him

different questions sometimes when there's kind of like these little overlays here so can you just explain what clearing a house looks like? So what clearing a house looks like is, I mean, of course it depends on the house, but it basically you'd go from room to room and energetically clean it off. And usually you're just helping beings move on. Or if there's sometimes there's been an event in a house or a ritual in a house, a death in a house, everything is energy. So it's not that a house is alive, but it is made up of energy, just like your computer's energy, the tables, everything is energy and energy can absorb a thought and emotion. So just like a sponge can absorb water so can you know walls so if there's been something troubling in a home it could have absorbed all of that energy and then you just kind of clean it out

and sometimes dependent on the trouble or dependent on the situation also dependent there's a lot of things that can be going on there could be land situations, vortexes, there could have been overlays. So a lot of times you see it as an overlay where, because spirits can create their own reality, right? So to us, it could look like any room I've seen. It's a plain room. Nobody will go in there, an attic, a basement, something like that. But the spirits will turn it into a whole different kind of place. And sometimes it doesn't matter. They can have a house within house. It's, it's really interesting, but people will feel it. People will start feeling that. And depending on how sensitive the person is or the kid, kids usually feel everything,

but if they have a parent that doesn't believe in that, they'll shut it down. It sounds like in your case, you're totally open to to it so your kids haven't shut it down which is great but basically so it looks like moving those guys on just kind of helping them move on to where they're supposed to go is basically what it looks like closing down portals closing down stuff and how do you close them down do you do it with words do you do it with sage do you do a ritual how do you do it so i'm clair. I have a, so I just have a whole lot of psychic tools. So, you know, but usually I try to rely on God or, you know, we use the word supreme being, but really God as much as possible to kind of close the, when you're closing a portal, you want to close both ends and clean it out and just get both sides of it. Cause sometimes people can have their energy being stuck

in the portal too. You know, like if they're leaving through the portal to go out on the astral a lot, it's good to clean it out first. Okay. What are portals and overlays? So an overlay is almost like a different dimension. Like, so an overlay, like I'll give you an example. That's just, sometimes they're just doing their own thing.

And like, when I was new, I could be a little bit of like, what are you guys doing? Why don't you move on? But now I'm like, whatever, everybody's doing their own thing like when I was new I could be a little bit of like what are you guys doing why don't you move on but now I'm like whatever everybody's doing their own thing but I went to the big island and of Hawaii and there was this place I don't want to name it because I don't want people going there but there was this place that was pristine it had been like covered in lava on all sides so it was and it was far enough away from plants where it was these ancient Hawaiian plants and I showed up and I was hiking I love hiking and so me and my boyfriend were hiking and the spirit was there you know and he was like hey you know you see us I was like yeah and it was a whole ancient Hawaiian village because the whole village was sitting there and they were pounding canoes and

doing their thing and he's like you actually see us I was like yes And he's like, you actually see us. I was like, yes. And he was like, I'm like, how, when was the last time somebody was here that you saw? He's like, I don't know, not very long ago. Are people still wailing? You know? And I'm like, no, they're not wailing anymore. So that's an example of time, right? So the last time he talked to somebody with a physical body and arguments, they were still it was a wailing port and they were they were you know we haven't done that for a while so you know so that was the time for them that was I was like you know yeah so a portal is a it's like a wormhole from one dimension to the next and usually they're set up so spirits can kind of come into a home or a spirit or there's like

any, you know, a lot of different kinds of beings out there. So they can come into a place like a doorway. So, you know, from one dimension to the next, so they can come into that, but sometimes people leave through it. So when we sleep, we're leaving our body on a regular basis. So sometimes people will kind of leave through those two and go to other dimensions. So people use them as well, usually unconsciously, but some people use them consciously. So that's what a portal is. It can be disturbing because it's like a doorway into your house. So you might be trying to set everything and have it all be nice and clean. And next thing you know, there's like all this activity and activity can be, you know, it can be uncomfortable for, you know,

door slamming voices are just sensitive. You just feel energy. Parents can't really, they can mess with your mind. They can't really mess with your body per se. I had one pull my leg one night. Well, I was like, yeah, a whole month of different little things. Like my daughter was tapped on the shoulder. I was like yeah a whole month of different little things like my daughter was tapped on the shoulder I was tapping on the shoulder like in the morning like waking us up yeah and then I had like this one tap on my leg and I was like maybe it was just a twitch in my muscle and you know I'm going back to bed next thing you know a yank at the bottom of my bed yanking my leg and I like looked up I for sure thought someone pulled my leg. Yeah. You know, and then I was, I kind of put down a boundary. I'm like, all right, dude,

no touching. Right. Yeah. That would like cross a line for me. I'd be like, get out, done. And you can just be like, I'm not okay. Get out, get out, get out, you know, you know, yeah. On the flip side of that, I actually asked my brother to hold my hands and I felt him hold my hands. And then, you know, I asked him to flip side of that, I actually asked my brother to hold my hands and I felt him hold my hands. And then, you know, I asked him to hug me and he hugs me. I mean, my brother that passed away. So same thing, you just giving him permission or asking him not to. Yeah. Boundaries just with the other side too, it's boundaries, but people do get scared that they can get, you know, that horrible things can happen to them. A lot of times the influence is in your mind.

So it'll be, they'll be like trying to sway you to go one way or the other, depending on what the motivations of the being are. So the more people have control over their mind, the less they have that influence. And I'll get your listeners a little tip because sometimes people don't know what's their own thoughts and what's another being's thoughts, right? You're like, is this just the voice in my head that's always yammering? Or is this something else talking to me? Because we all have voices in our head. So one of the ways you can know is if something is saying you, you should, you should, you do this, you go there, you think like this, you don't like that person,

then that's not you because you don't talk like that to yourself. You say, I should go here. I should go there. What am I, what do I want for breakfast? That's a good one. Right. For all things. Yeah. So then you'll know, oh, this is an external force. What a great tip. Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about your background and your name and the spelling of it? Cabina. I would love to just like go full circle back to the beginning and ask you, where did this journey start for you? Was this something that you learned as a child? What led you to this path? Yeah, of having a psychic school.

Yeah. I mean, it's amazing. Thank you. Thank you. It's been really quite the journey. So my name is Kavina Okanakea-Charlotte. My grandfather was an artist. He was a big French artist, kind of well-known in his day. And he was one of these people that learned the Hawaiian language. He liked being around

cultures that were non-European. So they moved to Hawaii before it was a state. And he learned the language. And there was a priestess named Kavena Kuk who he was friends with. I like to think that that played into his naming of me on some level. But also, I was born after a big storm and the snow in upstate New York, and the snow was all icy and pink and beautiful. And the cold whiteness is how Hawaiians describe snow. So the sunrise over snow, you know, that's glowing in the cold whiteness. So that's my name. In terms of my journey, I too grew up in a house that was kind of haunted. We'd hear footsteps, we'd feel things, I'd sense things. And I didn't like it. It was uncomfortable. We also grew up on this land that the Kahuna used to live on the land I grew up on in Hawaii, in this valley. And so it

was very sacred land. So you could kind of just talk to the land and you'd get these answers, which was sort of talking to God, right? You'd be like, oh, what do I do when this owl would swoop over your head? Or, you know know, you just get answers from the land. And we were these little barefoot kids running up and down the mountains and it was great fun. So flash forward to being 16, I decided, oh, I'm going to start exploring psychic awareness. This is really cool. And so me and my girlfriend started meditating, started playing around and I started seeing stuff and started knowing who was going to call me and what was going to happen. And I heard some spirits in my room one night and they freaked me out. I could feel them one in the ceiling, one in the bathroom. They were talking about me. I was frozen in my bed.

I was so scared. I couldn't move. And my dad had told me back then he'd say, just say in the name of Jesus Christ, leave whatever. If you ever feel something that you don't like say just say in the name of Jesus Christ leave whatever if you ever feel something that you don't like just say in the name of Jesus Christ yeah I was like couldn't get it out of my I was so scared I couldn't get it out but they could feel it in this one like I felt recoil and then push it into my pieces like that's not gonna work is it and I was like and so finally they kind of dissipated and my stepdad heard them too. Cause he came in and he's like, do you have a boy in your room? So I stopped playing. I stopped meditating. I stopped wanting psychic awareness. I didn't want anything to do with it. After that flash forward many years later, I had this kind of dark night of the soul moment where my acting career wasn't

going where I wanted. My relationship wasn't working the way I wanted it. Nothing was working. I had a plan for my life. My plan wasn't working. I was very pissed. And I started meditating again because all of my healing, my ways of healing weren't available to me. Usually before that, if I got upset, I'd go do a play or I'd be like, I'm really mad about X. And then I do find a play that was about that and then work the energy in that way. Or I would see a therapist, but therapy wasn't working. Nothing was working. And I started meditating again because I was at the end of my rope. And so I started seeing stuff again. And at first I just, I was kind of going down a tunnel, rooms on either side. I started seeing all these, now I know they were spirits at the time. I was like, what is this? And my therapist said, oh, they're aspects of your

personality. I go, well, okay, that's fine. I can intellectualize this. And this old lady is an aspect of my personality and my best old man, my, my grandfather's here, who's dead. Like that must be an aspect. Anyway, I was trying to go to bed one night and the spirit was standing in my doorway and I was totally awake. I was like, oh no, no, no, this is my app. Now the aspects of my personality are walking around my apartment. So this is just not, this is not what this is. And it became very clear. It was a spirit. And then my apartment was full of them. And I was like, Oh no, I opened up this door. What do I do? The healing is working really great. I was doing all this amazing healing work that's working, but I don't like the spirits. So I started exploring all this stuff, trying to find

something that resonated with me. And I found a psychic school and I thought it was crazy. I thought there's no way this is going to be full of really crazy, weird people. And I'm just like, I'm too normal. I ran away from weird. My parents, I wanted to be normal. I was going to be the normal one. We didn't even have a dining room table. We all had to sit on cushions and on the floor because we were such hippies. And I just wanted to be normal. Didn't want to go to psychic school, but I wanted to get rid of the spirits. So I went to psychic school fully intending to lambast it and joke about it with my friends. And it turned out to be really cool.

I just went for the free night and I was like, oh shit, that works. They taught us how to ground. And so I went back. I didn't have a lot of money at the time. I didn't have a lot of having this. And I just started showing up paying for every individual class as I went. Next thing you know, my life was turned around. I was making all this money.

I didn't need therapy anymore because I didn't have a problem with the way I was thinking. I had a problem with sucking up energy. I was empathic and all the spirits went away. And I suddenly started creating all this stuff. And I was there for years, loving it, never intending to teach. And then when the economy tanked in 2008, my job kind of went in a way with it. So I was like, what am I going to do next? Never intending to like be a psychic.

And somebody was like, oh, you know, do next? Never intending to like be a psychic. And somebody was like, Oh, you know, psychics do really good in a down economy. And so I started doing readings again, not just as the side, I was doing marketing and doing that. And then so funny how God works because it was really everything he'd been building up to that point. And so I was an actor and I'm used to being in front of people. After I moved this woman, I ran into this woman and God kept being like, call Judy, call Judy, call Judy. It was like, ah, and then I called her and it's just somebody I met at a meetup once. She's like, I'm looking for a medium or a psychic to do these dinners. And we're just, I'm just going to read

the crowd. Do you know anyone? I'm like oh yeah me so but I so it's like combining acting we're standing in front of people being comfortable in front of people not knowing what's going to happen not knowing what you're going to be hit with working you know there's an audience thing that you know people get nervous you have to kind of crack jokes and stuff like that so is that and then the reading so it's sort of like improv, psychic improv in a way that I just had no idea what was going to happen. So I started doing that. And then people would ask these questions and I would be like, well, you have to learn how to manage your space. You know, that's how you're going to do it is you're going to feel better because

you are really empathic and you are picking up everybody's thoughts. You're not actually, if you did this, you would not be depressed. And they'd be like, what can you teach us? And I'd be like, huh? And so I started teaching classes and then it turned into a school. And now the school has been open for almost 10 years. And I've had thousands of people come through my doors. And I have helped so many people. And we see miracles on a regular basis.

Like people cure incurable diseases and change, turn their lives around and find their passions. How exciting. I just love how the universe supports us when we align with our purpose. I mean, what a story. When you look back at that original experience that you had, do you feel like there's good spirits and then there's bad spirits? I feel like the good spirits are generally, yes. I mean, those are such kind of extreme words. I think most spirits are kind of like people. So usually people are in the middle, right?

So some are, they're mostly good, but, you know, they do these sort of shitty things on the sides. You know, people want to have these black, white kind of things with spirits. Some spirits try to get in the way of your sovereignty. So usually the spirits that are really great are not trying to influence you, but the spirits that are trying to influence you usually are not the ones that I don't want to say that are bad, but nothing wants karma. So really good spirits are usually, I'm staying out of that.

They'll jump in and say, watch out for the car. Don't get on the freeway right now, that kind of a thing. But they're not usually saying, don't date that person or don't go there, do this job or, you know, you're a bad person or, you know, you should feel shitty about this. They're not usually doing that. So that's usually the entities that are not quite as positive. I have a question. When I had my near-death experiences, I was in a dimension where you would never think about, oh, if a guy cheated on a girl or there was no surface level thinking. It was pure, just happiness and serenity and peace.

Now, sometimes I'll talk to someone who said they went to a medium and the medium told them that their husband, the spirit world told them that their husband's cheating on them. I have a weird feeling in my stomach about that because I don't feel like these spirits on the dimension I was on would ever talk about something so service. Yeah. Well, you know, they're there. And why are you just trusting spirits? Like people always just want to hand over and go, Oh, you're dead. You know, everything. And then hand over their seniority and go, okay, I'm just going to believe whatever you say. I'm like, to believe the spirits, would you do that

to somebody on the bus? If somebody on the bus was like, hey, blah, blah, blah, would you believe everything you said? No, you would use some discernment. So people should be that way with spirits too, and their relationships. So if you have one that you really trust, then, you know, then that's a different thing. Like I teach a healing class. I connect people up. We have very clean agreements, but it's a relationship over a long time. Just trust any old spirit. Like in life, just like in life.

Right. Would you like a random stranger? And people always want to do that. They're always, I have people going, oh, what is this? Who's the spirit world saying you should date? I'm like, I'm like, what if that spirit was like a car mechanic and he, he like hasn't moved on and he's hanging out and like that person, you might want to ask about your car, but why would you ask them about dating?

He's going to tell you to like, probably he might not know who would be good for you and sometimes they're they mean well too they're not always sometimes they mean well but they're out of time so I'll give you an example I had a student who loved she was in tech and she she was from India and she loved loved loved her job absolutely loved it and she was very we call transmedium so she was very influenced by spirits. She was having a hard time kind of learning, you know, what's her energy, her thoughts and other things. And one day she showed up for a reading and said, I want to quit my job. I can't take my job anymore. I'm done. It's just, I'm over. She's like, okay, let's take a look at your space and see what's going on. And so I saw the spirit was really trying to influence her to quit and the spirit was a a relative from you

know that had died many many years ago um centuries ago and there's a caste system in India and that spirit was very pissed off that she had a job because wealthy you know women of that caste wealthy women didn't work so she was having a job was beneath her. So she, the spirit was trying to save her by getting her to quit her job. So I needed to just explain to that spirit, hey, we're in, you know, 2000. I don't remember what year this is, 2017. And in this time, it's the classy women have really good jobs like the high-end women have high-end jobs not that that's necessary I mean it's sort of true but not completely but I was just

letting the spirit know that she was on the wrong path and that this student was indeed still part of their upper class blah blah blah and so the spirit was very happy like oh okay all, okay, all is good in the world. Then she just went away and stopped bothering. That's interesting. I like that. Okay. That's a great example. Yeah. You know, sometimes stuff is just dark and there is dark stuff too. You know, I mean, you sense when there's something that doesn't feel right, made me laugh because my family's Catholic. And so anytime I plead the blood of Jesus, I plead the blood of Jesus as I'm putting the covers over my head. It works. It does work. Yes, absolutely. How did your family feel? You said your dad was religious. How does he feel about

your career, your new job, your school? Really great question. He hated it at the beginning. He very much didn't like it. He's a born again Christian. And it's very interesting because when I was getting my training, so when I was in the healing class, my father got terribly sick and he got spinal meningitis. He lost his eye. He was in the ICU. It was really a big deal. Whoa.

Yeah, that's a big deal. I used all this energetic healing stuff that I was learning on him at that time. And he, so kind of saved his life in a way, which was very amazing to me. It healed our relationship in a lot of ways, but to watch all that energy coming off of him and be in the hospital and have that experience. At first he was open because he was out of his mind. Then once he kind of came back more into his mind, he's like, wait a minute, I don't believe in this stuff. Stop doing it. And he stopped getting better. But I think there was a part of him that kind of knew it really helped. And he kept telling everybody I saved his life. So I think it was a mixed bag for him. And later on, it was very interesting. A couple of years

ago, he said, well, I was just so worried about you doing this kind of thing. He doesn't really understand what I do. So he was like, I didn't want bad things to get on you. And so many psychiatrists kill themselves. And I just didn't want you to pick up stuff from some of your clients. I'm like, dad, that's what I teach people. That's what I'm teaching people. So he around he came around it took a long time my mom she was always open to it well you want to know what I want to get into though is the school if someone were to enroll in your class how long of a program is it is it for people that want to do this as a profession is it for people that just want to do it privately within their home is it for all the above all the above mostly people do it because within their home? Is it for all the above?

All the above. Mostly people do it because they feel like they're out of control psychics. So most people are not doing this for a career. I mean, they're welcome to. I think that's great. I certainly help them for that. They become fantastic readers. But it's more about learning the language because the language is all around us.

We're speaking it all the time. And when you get really fluent in this language of energy, your life skyrockets. So most people feel like their mind is kind of crazy. They feel really sensitive and they don't know how to deal with it. Or they feel like they get under attack. Like I did, I get a lot of those people.

I get people that we call them out of control psychics where they're seeing stuff and they don't know how to handle it. They're overwhelmed. I get people that are really curious and adventuresome and just like, I don't want to explore this with the most exciting thing ever. So kind of everything. And there's a basic class, the intuitive meditation class, which in a lot of ways, it's still more advanced than what a lot of people are teaching, but you learn these foundational tools in there, which is grounding and learning how to run different energies through your

space and learning how to set a physical room and learning how to release energy out of your space and how to protect your own space. You need all those tools to explore this. You really do. It's super important how to get in your own body, how to start controlling your mind, just start getting a sense of how it works, how we store energy, how to release other people's energy, what it's your thought versus other people's thoughts when it's your energy versus other people's energy. I mean, some people are so

sensitive. I'm not sensitive where if I forget to protect, I remember I had to go do some physical therapy and I showed up at eight o'clock in the morning. I forgot to put up my protection and I was like aches and pains all over me. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm picking up all these people and got rid of it all. But a lot of people don't know that. So when they start exploring that, it's this huge eye-opening experience. So a lot of people take that. It's a standalone class. If

they're interested, they can keep going. There's an energetic healing class where you learn how to work with that language from the outside in. So you're using your hands and a healing master, which is spirit guide that I pick. And you're learning how to feel auras. You're learning how to feel cords. You're learning how to heal chakras, but you can start feeling them. So it becomes more real. All of a sudden you can feel something that you thought wackos were just talking about and maybe seeing a color. You can actually feel it with your hands. You can feel a grounding cord. You're like, oh my God. So that, and then they develop this relationship with the spirit. And then all of a sudden you do that and you're

like, well, wait a minute. The spirit has a personality. They have this, they have that. They obviously are an independent being. So that means we have life after death, which is that classic philosophical question. So then if people are still interested, they can do the clairvoyant program, which is a two-year program. And there's three tracks within it, which is basically where people are growing in a lot of different psychic areas, primarily clairvoyant, but all of them really. And they're learning how to heal themselves in a really core way. Cause you start dealing with karma and agreements and past lives and learning about your energetic system and healing all of that. And as you do that,

your body starts to heal. The way you deal with your past starts to heal. The way you look at everything around you starts to shift. And people start to become more spiritual because you can't help it. You really can't help. You start looking at that stuff and you start seeing how everything is so interconnected and how really there is a higher power and yeah because you're experiencing it right exactly there's kind of a little scale there's like atheist energy and then people that are kind of more traditional and usually the people that come to me are in the space of like wanting to get their own answers I've had a number of students who came and their parents were pastors and stuff like that. And they were rebelling against their parents and

showing up at psychic school. And like one of them, she just graduated from the Claire. She's like, I have such a closer, she loves Jesus. Cause she can now talk to Jesus, like straight up, have a conversation like, Hey Jesus, what do you think? And Jesus pops in and has a conversation. And so it's a whole different kind of relationship. you're not just taking somebody's word for it you're getting your own information and then you start working from that space the more you understand karma the less you want to create karma you're like oh I don't really want to create that I'm not gonna do the classic things that they would say in religion lie steal cheat because you're going against somebody's free will you're like oh wow that's like really a big. I'm not going to get in the way of people's free will,

but you start understanding that more. So some people are scared. Like sometimes when they show up, they're like, oh, but can I get a parking space? I don't want to get my own parking space because I'll get in the way of someone's free will. I'm like, this is not free will. That's fine. We live on a planet where people are in competition. That's how people are growing here. It's okay. Oh, I can get a job that's really good and beat out a hundred people with these tools. Yes, you can get a job that's really good and beat out a hundred people with the tools. It just means you're more competent. So it goes both ways. It's interesting. So give an opposite example of when you would not want to get in the way of someone's free will, when it's not appropriate.

Well, I had a student that started learning tools and she had a helicopter parent and wanted to use the tools to make her daughter's team win. And I had to have a little talk with her. I was like, no, don't do that. You know, you're getting in the way of those people's free will. That was a kind of real life example of somebody. Oh my gosh. That is hilarious. If I wanted to learn to take my mediumship up a level, because I just get like words here and there. Is that possible? Or is that just how it might come to me? No, totally possible. Totally. I do recommend people get training because a lot of times people want like that flame,

like mediumship is really exciting. Right. And it hard but to me it's really important that you have your own language energy that you get what we call seniority that you know what's you you know what's other stuff that you have real control over your mind and you know how to get rid of the spirits you want to be able to move them on and have seniority over them people can get into trouble because suddenly they have all these spirits around them they don't't know what's true. What's a lie. They don't know how to read. Like you can, when you're clear, wait, you can also back up what the spirit says. You can read it. You don't have to always take that, you know, you don't have to believe what they say. You can read it. You can verify a lot of different stuff. Yeah. Cause it's interesting.

I'll just get words, you know, and then I don't let my ego try to make sense of them. I just write them down and then I simply give it to the person that it was for. Kind of like when, when a spirit's trying to talk to you for someone, a lot of times it's like a game of Pictionary comes in and bits and pieces and flashes. And I'm like, so you just kind of try to put out whatever they're saying. And I'm always like, if you don't know what this is about right now, just hold on to it, think about it, and maybe it'll hit you later. Because people, when you're trying to receive information, they're so desperate to talk to their loved one. They so want that communication that their brain almost gets fried for a moment, where they have like a specific thing they want to hear and they can't hear anything else. You can be telling them the truth and they don't hear it. Like I had a woman hilarious. She came in and she wanted to talk to her husband and all spirits want to say the same thing, which is so hard for a medium because you want to get verification, but the spirits think about if you have 30 seconds to talk to somebody, you'd be like, I love you.

I miss you. I adore you. Everything's going to be okay. I love you. Love you. Love you. That's what you would say. And that's what the spirits always want to say. But the person's like, yeah. And are you real? You want that specific. And back to this woman, her husband kept showing me a watch and then a clock and then big Ben and then a watch

again. And I'm like, keep showing me a watch, a watch, watch. It's like, I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. An hour later. it is an hour later and there was a lot in between there was a lot of information that came out but an hour later the very end of the reading I was like so what inspired you to do the reading she's like oh I've had his watch by my bed and I told myself when the battery died I would set up a meeting with you I was kind of, maybe that's what he was trying to get me. Mandy said she, she doesn't let that ego come in. She just, you know, writes it down and just tells the person, should you sit with it a little longer and have discernment? I mean, I think that's up to how people are working and what's happening in my private

practice. I'll forget it. You know, I'll have the person in front of me. So I just feel like I'm just doing whatever's coming in. It's very rare. I just feel like in those cases, if somebody is coming to me for that, I feel like it's just a conversation between the two of them. Now, on occasion, I will tell the person, Hey, just because this is their opinion, doesn't mean you have to do it. You know, this just because this person is in this space doesn't mean like you said, that one girl, you know, who had the old school 1800s lady telling her she shouldn't work. Oh, well, that's that wasn't even mediumship. That's just a spirit kind of influencing her. That's, and that's why I think it's better to have training before you get into mediumship, because then you'll call in all these spirits,

and then they can start trying to influence you. And if you don't know what's your energy, or their energy, or you can't have that discernment, then you can get yourself in a big ball of trouble. So that's the challenge with that. Whereas if you know how to get rid of them, you know how to move them along, you know how to create discernment, you know how to read situations clairvoyantly, then it could just be a lot of fun. It can be pretty innocent. You can just talk to grandma and grandpa. But if you don't have those abilities, then you and you don't have discernment, then you can get, you can just believe whatever they're saying and give up seniority of yourself and your life to something else that might have a different

intention for you do you think that that's what like schizophrenia could look like sometimes absolutely I have never seen a schizophrenic that is not also covered in beings mental illness yeah yeah but and what comes first the chicken or the egg agree yeah I'm not gonna say schizophrenia is because of the beings but it definitely pulls in. You were crazy before that ghost came in. And you know what? I do believe that ghosts are attracted to anxiety. Some of these beings are feeding off of that. That's kind of like, I mean, it's just like, that's the law, right? I mean, energy, you know, is going to attract like energy. Yeah. That's what getting control of your mind and your energy system is so big because you start being repellent to that stuff.

So controlling your space. That's what you teach. That's the important thing. So then you're, that stuff is like, you can feel when it comes in, you can move it out and it's not influencing you. It's probably, it's just part of the game that's on the planet right now is that influence, but the beings definitely tried to promote it. There's beings that try to promote people being anxious or anxiety or fearful. I mean, there's a lot of that right now in the

world. You know, there's a whole lot of that with this whole COVID situation. There's a whole lot of beings coming in, feeding off of that fear and fear. Do you think we're creating it almost like, you know, cause it's just massive too. Yeah. I've noticed that people are there's a lot being created right now do you think that you're gonna like attract that vibration so like fear has a little bit of a different energy than like anger right it's a little bit more you know submissive or something I don't know and so do you think that that's what you're gonna get if you're like having like my house a freaking poltergeist of something I mean because nothing seems necessarily angry or scary but maybe there's some fear yeah I mean so you could pull that in

you know yeah like if you're in a fearful state then other spirits and also yeah yeah and then other spirits could be like oh she's okay with us being here. Let's hang out. Time is very different for spirits. So we talk about eternity in the Bible, but it's sometimes it's kind of timeless. So you could see a spirit. Like residual energy kind of. Well, that's a different thing.

That's a little bit of a different thing. So a spirit could be stuck in the past for sure. But then sometimes there's almost like a, an energetic loop where something really traumatic happens and a spirit almost like leaves a little piece of their energy in that trauma. And then the trauma can keep replaying again and again. So for example, I did a house clearing and you wouldn't notice it was a new condo. Everything was very cute. But we showed up and I like to take the Claire's, Claire 2's, the more advanced students to do a house clearing every year. So they get that. Oh, that's so fun.

Yeah. So they get that experience. You do field trips. Yeah, we do field trips. I'm in Oregon. So the Oregon Trail. And there was this woman and her husband, they were having a little fight and then they were scalped.

So it was sort of, and you could see, so basically it was this little thing right before they died. They just let some of their energy there, you know, being attacked. And so that was a trauma and they had to collect up all their energy when they died. And so that energy was still right under her pristine, beautiful little condo. So we cleared it out and helped this energy go back to the souls they belong to and wow yeah oh my god I wish I could fly out there and come to your school maybe I can do it you can do it online it's all online now

yeah and just since COVID I've kind of opened it up on zoom and we've had you know Oregon has gotten weird with all the riots and the protests and nobody wanted to be downtown and I had a big huge space before and nobody wanted to be in it and I'm like I'm not paying rent for this I know and then I opened it up online and I really like the people I've been getting from out of state so I'm like kind of digging pulling in people from all over they're really interesting people so I'm all over I'm like kind of digging, pulling in people from all over. They're really interesting people. So I'm all over. I'm like truly in awe of someone like you and the amount of bravery and self-trust you must have had to go from one career against your own father into this new, completely

different line and go as far as opening up a school and just putting yourself completely out there and owning every ounce of it. I mean, because there are a lot of haters that say, oh, this is devilish and you're calling in bad spirits. And I love that you, that you ran with it and that you trusted it enough to turn it into this beautiful school? Well, do know that you grow into things. People grow into things. So it's like parenting. If you were saying, oh, how do you deal with this teenager?

Well, you had it as a baby first. So it was cute for a while. So people grow into things. And I'm a side angle worker. So even when I moved to LA to be an actor, I went with $200 in my pocket, but I wasn't like, I'm going to do this forever. I was like, I'm going to be here for the summer and stay with some family friends. And, oh, I happened to get a job and I happened to be on TV and I happened to, you know, it

just, so I do that. That's how I work is I can't. So I started just teaching a class and then I taught another class. And then the students are like, well, what do we do next? And I was like, well, shit, I guess we have to do the clairvoyant program. But it was really in my mind, like for three or four people at my step task was like, so you're starting a school. I'm like, I am not starting a school. I am just teaching classes. And then a year or two later, I had're starting a school so you start small and you know when you're doing something like that you had another job so what you don't want to put too much pressure

on your baby business and you just build that's so funny your baby business you're like rocking your little baby business I love it though they're like your little babies yeah and you know what that approach is actually similar to something that I feel like I would do because if I were to just go all in like the big huge building and the school and know from the beginning it'd be too overwhelming right oh it's too much baby steps you just you just build you grow into it you see a client you're terrified every step along the way every step every I didn't invent these tools they came from the Berkeley site so there's this clairvoyant lineage and clairvoyant programs two years and it's not two years because it takes time to get people to see it's two years because it takes time for people to have confidence in what they see yeah just trusting yourself just trust yourself it's so

that's what takes time and so after you know you practice so after you practice for a really long time then you have that confidence and then you can yeah and do it so it builds on itself if that's something you want to do but like I have lunch with one of my ex students today and she has a huge food company and she's like, I use the tools every day. She's got a million dollar company. And she's like, I use them. I use them for work. I look at this, I look at that. And then she operates on that. So people use this in their everyday lives. And they should, I mean, I have a food truck and we talk about this all the time like the vibration of like an of something you receive from like china from something that you may receive that mandy and i literally handpicked for you because we felt this vibration and that we put

it out in the moon for it to get cleared and rakey did and cared for it that is totally different I mean I would rather have divine shit than have gold do you usually have to like get prepared when spirits come to you yeah I meditate for a while before I do the readings I meditate for a while I usually meditate for half an hour to an hour and then it's a big clean out so I clean out for about an hour so I lump all my readings in one day because it's not like therapy where you can just sit and chat with someone and go away like it's a preparation thing you want to clean that stuff out so okay I don't want that energy on you Shanna has said this a lot in other episodes that people don't understand number one how hard it is sometimes for spirits to come through and the amount of energy it takes them and number two that this isn't just something

like where if you tell someone you're a medium and you're in a restaurant the waitress is like okay well can you tap in and tell me if there's anyone there for me like you have to prepare for it you have to sit with it and then there times though, when you're driving down the road and someone just comes to you. It used to be more like that for me. I kind of reset my space a little bit. I sort of, when I first graduated from the program, I was all, you know, excited. Ooh, maybe I should do this as a business.

And God started putting me in kind of situations where I could help all these beings move on. So in a way that was part of my mediumship was helping these beings kind of take their next step and they were stuck for whatever reason, but it became a little old. I just suddenly it was everywhere. I was like, I don't want to have to see this. I don't see this stuff all the time. It's only when I choose to see it. So where could our listeners find you, Tom, your website or any social media if they're interested in your Zoom online courses? So intuitivepathacademy.com or covenasharlow.com.

And some of them just started. They're just like having their first few weeks right now, but they do student readings on Tuesday night. So if you guys want to, and they're free, just put in the word answers they can. And there's also a free grounding class on the website. If people want to go download a tool, just that one alone is super helpful. I definitely will. That sounds awesome. So people can go on there and get a free reading by students that are trying to practice yeah who are practicing depending on where they are on their theory that there's some

of them are really i'm proud of them some of them are really great they're set up reading so they're reading like layers of the aura and they look at a couple of past lives and do you also teach akashic readings yeah i use that a lot both of the healings and and that's part of what we i teach in the clairvoyant program that's a lot of fun students they learn how to remote view and go to the Akashic Records and do all this stuff on the astral and good yeah you know fuck American education I'd want to go to your school you should come to my school it's super exciting wow that's so amazing that's a lot of fun and now it's time for break that shit down I would say that and I'm just gonna speak for the time we're in because we're in

this really interesting time where people are trying to dismiss your humanity and dismiss genuine spirit and get people focused on either hating on each other or divisiveness or materialism stuff and none of that is it's just not true like as a spirit you know we've been everything we've been we have all had a lot of experiences, spirit, and really holding onto your humanity and holding onto that ability to love each other and be connective and not buy into this game that we should be divided. We're all a lot more connected than people realize. And having that compassion for each other is really a beautiful thing right now. And I think it's going to help us. We're in a kind of,

we're in an interesting place and learning how to kind of own yourself and own your energetic system and own your sovereignty is probably one of the best things and own your humanity. Don't let anybody strip your humanity, like own that, you know, it's really important. That's super important. I feel like it's your responsibility. It's certainly going to be better for people with, if they do that, you know, well, otherwise it's just, you know, spilling all over and yeah, you have to take responsibility for the energy. You could help their into the world. I mean mean it could make a difference it really can make a difference it makes a huge difference and I'll leave you guys with a little story it's not

mine but I bogarted it was from Carolyn Mays but she had a client come in and this person was thinking of killing themselves and they were going to the store to get the rope and they were coming going to drive home and they were going to do it and they'd written the note and they were very serious about it and they stopped at a stop sign and this very pretty girl was at the stop sign and she looked over at the driver of the car and she smiled she smiled at the guy and then the crosswalk happened and she kept walking and this guy's like wow she was really pretty wow she smiled at me huh maybe there's hope in the world and he decided not to kill himself and I always think we just don't know what we're putting out and when you know sometimes these small things can have I think of the butterfly effect it can really have

a big difference so I always story yeah then you see why Bogart did it right it was like oh that's such a good story but I love that I love that we can have these huge effects on people, sometimes by very small. Sometimes it's really the small actions. That happened to me the other day. I went to the drive-thru of Starbucks and our Starbucks here in Colorado are out of a lot of things. It's very known right now that Starbucks is having trouble getting in a lot of their products. And when they told me they were out of chai, I simply said, oh, that's okay.

No big deal. You know, worse things in life than you're not having chai. And I heard these women in the background clapping. And I pulled up to the window to get my latte. And I had five women standing there with tears in their eyes. And they said, we purchased your drink for you. Thank you for being so understanding and kind. You have no idea how many people come through this drive-thru and are angry and mean to

us because we're out of things. And I was torn between receiving the gift of the coffee and being angry at humanity that people actually are rude about something so stupid. I mean, and then to see how much it meant to these women that I just was, that I was just nice. Shouldn't we all just be that way? Everybody's in a different state and a different path and people deal with fear and people deal with change. I mean, it's, it's, there's a lot of stuff going on depending on where people are in their awareness scale. You know, there's, there's quite a lot. So, you know, there's normalcy bias. And when something as basic as getting coffee from Starbucks gets challenged,

then the mental thing that can go back into people's like, if they don't know how to manage their emotions or their space, it's not just the coffee. It's the fact that their whole life might be upended. Then they're taking it out on little people. So again, holding onto our humanity in times like this, it's huge. I love that message. Holding onto our humanity. Well, you have been wonderful. Everything's huge. I love that message. Holding on to our humanity. Well, you have been wonderful. Everything about you. I thank you for sharing personal aspects of your life with us about a child and your father.

I'm all about vulnerability and authenticity. And I appreciate you being open with that personal part of your life and then guiding us through your professional part of your life. I love your story. Thank you for what you do. And I can't wait to hop on with one of your students to get a reading and I can't wait to look at your courses. So thank you. You're welcome. You guys are great. Yeah. If you're ever in Colorado, stop by and say hi. I will. I definitely will. That would be a lot of fun. Yeah. All right. I definitely will. That would be a lot of fun. Yeah. All right.

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