Sense of Soul - Return of the Dove with the Hurtaks

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

Today back on Sense of Soul we have J.J. Hurtak, Ph.D., Ph.D. and Desiree Hurtak, Ph.D., social scientists, composers, authors and futurists. Dr. J.J. Hurtak is the author of the best-seller The Book of Knowledge: The Keys of Enoch®, translated into twenty-five languages. He has Ph.Ds from the University of California and the University of Minnesota.  Together, the Hurtaks are the founders of The Academy For Future Science, an international NGO. They have written numerous books together that include Salvator Mundi, The Seventy-Two Holy Names of The Myriad Names of the Divine Mother, The Overself Awakening, Pistis Sophia: Text and Commentary, a commentary on The Gospel of Mary and more. Drs. Hurtak are co-authors of Mind Dynamics in Space and Time, with the collaboration of world-renowned physicist, Dr. Elizabeth Rauscher, encompassing the rigorous scientific research of remote viewing and consciousness. They are also well known for their inspirational music, including their CD Sacred Name Sacred Codes which is a collaborative music with Steven Halpern, and their latest album with Steven entitled Sacred Cyphers of the Divine Mother. Dr. J.J. Hurtak’s work has been performed by the German Symphonic Orchestra of Berlin (2011) with the famous singer Jocelyn Smith. Dr. J.J. Hurtak was also cowriter and composer with legendry song writer Alice Coltrane, and their work was presented at the New Jersey Center for Performing Arts (New York Times, 2006) where Desiree performed with the chorus. Their music of sacred mantras has been performed and sung throughout Europe and Latin America. Together, Drs. Hurtak continue to introduce music, having over 30 albums to date, to help unify cultures within the larger global society. Drs. Hurtak are also well-known as pioneers in Acoustic Archaeology having done music testing in many of the Mayan Temples, as well as the Great Pyramid of Giza. They were part of the team that discovered the “Tomb of Osiris” on the Giza Plateau in 1997. Their most recent publications to which they have been contributors are, Our Moment of Choice (2020), which includes their insights on consciousness together with those of over forty other internationally respected writers, such as Dr. Deepak Chopra and Dr. Bruce Lipton, and Making Contact (2021) with chapters by Nick Pope and Linda Moulton Howe, and The Holomovement: Embracing Our Collective Purpose To Unite Humanity (2023), which explores various inspirational understandings of the living universe and our integral place in its evolution. J.J. Hurtak was a member of the founding faculty at California Institute of the Arts. Together the Hurtaks have won fifteen awards at national and international film festivals for their numerous animated and graphic arts films regarding the exploration of higher consciousness. Their lectures have introduced the common goals of spiritual understanding, science and sustainable development. Drs. Hurtak have appeared on Netflix, BBC Radio, Gaia TV, Coast-to-Coast AM radio programs, Deepak Chopra’s Wellness Radio, Hay House Radio, to mention a few. They have given conferences at many universities. Their lectures, seminars and musical events have been attended by world leaders, educators and their scientific colleagues. Together, they are members of the Evolutionary Leaders group that constitutes a body of speakers and writers from around the world who are shaping the shift in consciousness around the world towards a positive future. keysofenoch.org futurescience.org www.senseofsoulpodcast.com

Hey Soulseekers, it's Shanna. Journey with me to discover how people around the world awaken to their true sense of soul. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sense of Soul I have the incredible honor of speaking with Dr. JJ and Dr. Jezre Hurtok, whose work has profoundly influenced my own spiritual journey. I was curious about the book The Keys of Enoch. Little did I know that doors would open that I never knew existed, leading me down a path of discovering Pistus Sophia, a text that resonated with my soul's quest for knowledge, divine connection, and wisdom. Years

ago I had the her talks on, and since then I've had much reflection, synchronicities, revelations, and truths that have shaped my life's journey. Dr. JJ and Dr. Desiree are social scientists, composers, authors, and futurists. Together they are the founders of the Academy for Future Science, an international NGO. They are the bestselling authors of numerous books, and together they've encompassed rigorous scientific research of remote viewing and consciousness. They are also well known for inspirational music, including their album Sacred Name, Sacred Codes. The Hurtaks are also well known as pioneers in acoustic archaeology, having done music testing in many of the Mayan temples as well as the Great Pyramid of Giza. They were part of a team that discovered the Tomb of Osiris

on the Giza Plateau in 1997. And together they are members of the Evolutionary Leaders Group that constitutes a body of speakers and writers who are shaping the shift in consciousness around the world towards a positive future. And it is my honor to have them join us again today. Thank you both for joining me today again. My wife tells me that she read Mrs. Sophia, the great book. Yes. That's been my journey. Thank you.

Thank you. Yeah. And you live in Colorado, right? That's right. Great book. And I have this one. And the keys of Enoch. Yes. And you actually had recommended that I chant my last name. And that's another thing

that I've been doing since I've talked to you. I also love, love your sacred sounds that you created. I mean, so beautiful. And out of all the things that ever chanted in my life, my own last name ended up being the most powerful chant for myself. Well, I have to say there's Cosmic Families and maybe you got that name for part of that connection and that's just who you are on many levels and that's very powerful. You know, I often hear how your books and both of you and the work that you've done has impacted so many lives and on so many journeys. It's always an experience like my own, like synchronicity, and there's just a lot of energy around the work

that you do that is reaching people in so many ways. I hear it all the time. I heard it last week from a man I was speaking to. He had a similar experience with keys ofivinok. And so I can't wait to reach those ears who are ready to hear today. Well, thank you so much, Dr. Desiree and I, our social scientists. We are also futurists. We also do an archeological expedition from time to time. And we are here to present the big picture

of what's happening with Mother Earth. Right, so in the early 70s, Dr. Herjak had a unique experience. It's not an extraterrestrial experience and it's not from channeling. He actually was taken into in his physical and in his energy body into higher dimensions. And when he came back, what he had was the information that he put down in the book, The Keys of Enoch. And so that's been something that you've been in. Yes. Okay.

Great. So, and we've been working on explaining literally what his experience was all about for the last, we'll say close to 50 years. He was told that 64 areas of science will take a quantum leap before we have what we could call cosmic contact. And so we feel it in the last, I'll call it 50 years, that this is what's been taking place. Information is being given to all of us, not just a few, but all of us to prepare for really understanding

who we are in the cosmos. The keys of Enoch are a scientific and a spiritual blueprint of how we are connected with cosmic intelligence. We use a special terminology called the human evolution and the higher evolution. The higher evolution represents what we would call the alterterrestrial. In spiritual philosophical language these would be the avatars or the angelic realms of intelligence, the extra-celestials as opposed to the extraterrestrials. So this book, Keats of Enoch is important because it's the first book that showed the actual documents on the pyramids of Mars in 1973. And at the end of the book, it predicts that the year 2004 would be the time, the watermark of contact on a cosmic level with intelligence, that would be a affirmation of the scientific reality that we're not alone. And of course, as you know, in 2017, the Pentagon

released documentation for what happened in the year 2004. And that event off of the coast of California, called the Nimitz event, was matched by events also in Mexico off the Yucatan Peninsula, where hundreds of spaceships appeared. So in practical language, the keys of Enoch are the only book from beginning to end that tell us that the paradigm is changing. But the good news is the forces of the divine overcome the forces of negativity. We are emerging now into a culture of peace and understanding, wisdom and joy as opposed to a culture of death and limitation. And I just want to say for all

the listeners that we really do consider various levels of intelligence that are here working with us. And the extraterrestrial for the most part, which are not one, but many different types from all over are actually very similar in consciousness to us. Some of us are Buddhist, you know, literally reaching enlightenment, and some of us you don't want to walk on the street with. So those are the two different realities that are up there. It's not all great, but then even beyond that, and some of the extraterrestrials are aware of this too, are the cosmic forces that are beyond

even this local life space, even beyond the local dimensions. they're into that higher consciousness. And they are helping to feed information to us, to evolve us. In fact, going back to an extraterrestrial reality, this is something we've said, and Roger Lear, he was someone who looked at different extraterrestrial experiences as no longer sadly with us. He went down to a place in Vargena,

where they saw in Brazil this small little kind of weird green almost alien beings with red eyes and whatever. And when these beings had been captured and were talking to one of the doctors there at one of the hospitals in Brazil, we actually had a privy to all this information shortly after as well as Roger Lehr, who recorded the doctor talking. The alien said, it's very sad. You don't know your own abilities.

You don't know really who you are. And so this is what we're, you know, in a sense we've been protected, right? The last 6,000 years and we'll call it maybe even 36,000 years. We've been pretty much ourselves just but this is changing and we have to be more and more prepared. Right. As my wife just said, we have been working behind the scenes with some of the astronauts. We work with Russell Targ, Elizabeth Rauscher from Stanford

Research Institute. We were the first really to work behind the scenes with the Mexican and Brazilian government to actually look at the actual species. And I presented this many years ago, 1979 at an international conference in Mexico City where I showed actual pictures of what is now being accepted in mainstream science that we're not alone.

And we have actual physical specimens that tell us that we're all alone and we have actual physical specimens that tell us that we're all interconnected in some fashion. So our teaching is really a Christian Kabbalah. It brings together the high science of the Judaic and the Christian tradition with that of modern science. From a positive standpoint looking ahead to reclaiming the soul, which is the divine spark, which I think makes us so unique, because many of these so-called extraterrestrial probes are interested in the human race, what makes us so unique, and it really comes down to the value of the soul, the divine spark that connects mind, body, and spirit. King David writes about this in Psalm 51. He says, created me a clean heart, oh God,

and put thy new spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy presence, and thy Holy Spirit bring into me or into my presence. So he goes on to describe the new spirit, the Holy Spirit, and the willing spirit in that one little section of Psalm 51, which I read continually because it reminds us of how body, mind and spirit within us is essentially asleep until we put them together. These ancient words take on new meaning. We are here to share really some of the high points of what we feel is really the drama

of Western and Eastern civilization coming together. Exactly. So how can this ancient wisdom, which I believe has been a lot of it, hidden, buried in the Nagamati or wherever, and now resurfacing along with modern science coexist to help us understand humanity and our potential. Absolutely, yes. There's so much coming out now. First of all, of course, archeology. I think when at least our parents were learning in school, I mean, things went back 6,000 years.

Now you can't deny, actually almost all over the world, but especially in places like in Indonesia where they found what they believe, and I believe is as well a 27,000 year old pyramid down in Indonesia. Dr. Hurtak actually spent time in Japan, Southern Japan, Yanaguni and you can find this on YouTube for free it's called Temple of Mu and he went into this underwater structures that you see off the coast of Southern Japan. So that whole area, in addition, if you do the line,

and this was in the keys of Enoch in key 215, there's a line from that area. It goes right through the Isle of Floris. And the Isle of Floris is where the homo florensis is. And those are the little hobbit people. So here's the actual line right here. You can see how it works. So basically this whole area allows us to understand,

things didn't start just 6,000 years ago. And of course we're understanding that now, but really a hundred years ago wasn't so clear. People didn't wanna go further back. And then the technology of course, of what these places are. And we've done a lot of research in Mexico and in Egypt. In fact, we were one of the co-founders with the Shore Expedition of the Tomb of Osiris, which

is 100 feet underneath the ground. And I know there's been a lot of popular topics right now talking about what's under the ground of Egypt. And I can tell's been a lot of popular topics right now talking about what's under the ground of Egypt. And I can tell you that there is more under the ground of the Giza Plateau. This is one of our books called Giza's Industrial Complex, which we wrote several years ago. It's one of the three levels and at the bottom the tomb of Osiris. So this book is available on Amazon. It's a book that's important because it confirms the importance of Egypt as a historic area where knowledge and science came together on a much higher level than understood.

So we are experts with several people behind the scenes, but also we've worked with the Nakhomati documents, which you'll just mention. We've translated all of the ancient Coptic and Aramaic documents. So our library of books. And audio. Extends over several hundred documentations, levels of knowledge.

But I just wanna say for those that are saying, oh, you know, what about Egypt now? Well, again, we can confirm there's more under the ground of Egypt. In fact, when we were down in the area of the tomb of Osiris, which is a hundred feet down in the center practically of the Giza Plateau between the middle pyramid of Kephren and the Sphinx,

we did ground penetrating radar which showed that there were other cavities around us that we couldn't see and didn't have permission to. However, Dr. Hruchak actually has written several papers, one of which is on Reacher's gait, and this is going back in the 90s, about synthetic aperture radar. So he's a semi-expert in that, and airborne radar and satellite radar. And really, it cannot show what some of the recent people have talked about. So it doesn't some of the data maybe does not is not showing as deep as they think they're looking at all fake news.

Well, no, I mean, they believe it. But the point is, is that there still is more. And so the concept is right. The data is still not there. So we have to wait for the data on a lot of this stuff. I think that's extremely important. So what we're saying is we have a roadmap. We've worked in archeology,

we found places that go back in Gobekki Tepe, 15 to 20,000 years before presence. We've worked under the ground in Egypt with colleagues in the mountains of Northern Israel. We've had the privilege to go under the ocean of Japan and China. In essence, we're seeing that the human race has been here much longer than we thought. There were ancient civilizations that were destroyed by cataclysmic change in weather,

and we're going through a similar cycle. And the bottom line is our ancestors knew that we would survive these cyclic changes, so we must be positive in the sense that we, like Moses, can cross over the waters. Right, and so speaking still of Egypt, and this is from the keys of Enoch, and we've had a lot of, we'll say fun, really confirming all this material. As you can see, actually one side is actually pointing

to what we would call the swordsman of Orion. This is talked about in the keys, that one of the starshafts, this is before even Babel came up with that. Of course, Babel said that three pyramids look at the three stars in the belt. And Dr. Ajay says one of the starshafts, which is also later now been confirmed, points to Orion.

So what is Orion? Why is that important? It was considered important even to the ancient Egyptians. In fact, Osiris has some similarities in the ancient Egyptian to the concept of Orion. The idea being that we are aligned with star systems that really go through other realities. We consider Orion as being like a star gate and it takes you out of this local universe into cosmic realms that are beyond what we're seeing,

beyond even the local dimension, even beyond 12 dimensions as Superstring Theory is talking about. So Orion is a key point or portal literally of ascension. So the bottom line is we're saying that the Bible has ancient science encoded within it. Bible or the Torah is a musical and mathematical document of scientific truth that after thousands of years is now being understood. In fact the name of God, the Hashem, the Yod-Hei-Vot, he as part of the genetic code. The popular, modern speaker, Greg Braden,

has popularized this in his book, The God Code, that he acknowledges our work as influencing his work. And we were there many years before, working with geneticists in Europe and others from Russia, looking at the overall plan of how science and spirituality meet on much higher levels. Right, and so just to show you again the keys that Enoch have, and this is back in the 70s, a connection between the divine name, the YHWH, and the genetic code of the nucleo bases of our DNA that also are four major bases

that program the amino acids as we know them that make up all, mostly the building blocks of our life. So that's what DNA is all about. And the strange thing, of course, a lot of people want to put down the name of Jehovah. You get that from popular talk, but they don't understand it's not the name of Jehovah. It's the name of the Tetragrammaton,

the Yeod, the Hei, the Vav, which we call Vod, and another Hei. So- The most sacred name of the Jewish people. So it's three letters in four places, and that code can be rearranged in different realities to program in a certain sense, life as we know it. In fact, computers right now are using the concept of DNA

for gathering data and holding data because there's so much data that can be held in a single molecule of DNA. So let's catch our breath. We suddenly realize the keys of ANNA as a blueprint shows where to go under the ocean, where to go under Egypt to find the tomb of Osiris, which in itself is marvelous, but along with this to find ancient civilizations of China and Japan,

exactly according to the map of the key. So the map of God's name has a higher meaning for all people. And so our teaching brings together what we would call a cosmic overview of how science, genetics, archaeology, sociology, and now the new astronomy and breakthroughs with the space program is bringing us all together realizing that we're about to join a cosmic intelligence. Right, just to go back to the DNA one more time, because it's a popular topic as well as Egypt, we had a friend about 10 years ago we met who works at one of the universities in California. And he said, you know, he's done the research on RNA. And he said, there's no way that 4 million

or 5 million years of history would allow for the coding that we have, you know, did we come from the amoeba, then we came out of the water, and then we finally got to where we are. I mean, that concept is slowly, but surely, going away in science. And there's the whole wow signal,

the fact that maybe the coats came from meteorites that landed here, that evolved somewhere else. I mean, there's so many different aspects. But who we are, if you look at the mathematics of the spine, of the fingers, of everything, you realize that we are part of a divine design. And that goes back even to the Vargena case that we don't know who we are, because if you go to the Bible, which I know you're very aware of, Shana, that it says we were bodies of light first, and then took on from our own free will,

and maybe the mistake, whichever way you wanna put it, bodies of flesh. And really the coding of who we are comes from those bodies of light. So how do we get back to the bodies of light, Desiree? We've learned that through music, through mantras, through the names of God, through sacred work in visualization, positive psychology and sociology, we begin to understand the divine spark of the soul, begin to go beyond the intellectualism of only one side of the brain

into the other side, which is the musical, the feminine, the multi-dimensional. And as they come together, we understand really ancient symbols, even in the Nakamati texts, that we go into a divine marriage with God's Holy Spirit or the divine spirit. My God. Okay, first of all, no wonder why Vov, me chanting my name, is so very powerful.

Are you familiar with the text the trimorphic protonoia? Of course. Right there's a part in there where it talks about the triad of three the triad of three of four quadrangles or no of something like that. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes, I do. Oh, for me, I was stuck on that for so long and I regretfully did not go very far in my mathematics. I always say more mathematical than mathematical.

Well, first of all, everything is the Trinity, right? I mean, it really is. The threefold nature. We know within physics, there's a threefold nature of how reality is brought, put together. Trimorphic means in the Greek, threefold morphology. And in the morphology of sound, which you have expressed through your name, your birth name, you began to awaken yourself to the fact that there are multiple levels of language of experience. And the trimorphic really means that when you bring together the language of the body, which is the biochemical language,

the language of the mind, which is the intellectual language of the spirit of the higher soul, the creative soul, you create an energy field that you step into that changes you and you begin to realize that your body is a musical instrument, your music is a divine vehicle of expression, you also recognize that you are a cosmic being, that you're not limited to Mother Earth but you are able to reach out to other worlds of intelligence. And this is what the American government is saying indirectly with the disclosure program going on in Washington,

D.C. We're realizing that we are in the midst of a great change in science and psychology, and realizing that we as Earthlings still are part of the cosmic picture. The ancient teachings and Nakamati, optic documents which were hid in Egypt by the early Judeo-Christian writers say that there's more to the story of Christ. And that other story is the realization there's a language of light. We find that this language of light is sacred geometry connected with sacred sound and visualization.

And when we put this together in a sincere way in daily practice. We began to understand that we are not alone in the divine works. Wow, that's beautiful. Yes. Well, let me just say in terms of the Trinity, I mean, most people are familiar with the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. And that's one aspect because that's going beyond the duality. And I think that's so important because we came into a world of duality. And we need to balance that energy. Even Cain and Abel, there was finally Seth. And Seth was the one that took it forward, you know, in terms of the highest levels of reality.

In the Old Testament, but divided into the three parts, the Torah is divided into the three parts. The Torah is divided into the three parts. The names of the patriarchs are generally in groups of three, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And so underlying even the Old Testament, we have what is called in the Hebrew shalush, the trinitization of knowledge, which means when we put together the human, the mental,

and the transcendental, we begin to discover the fantastic miracle working ability we have. But I think you have to go back to the fact that all nature really has this divine design, it's not just us, but we have a higher connection. But hydrogen itself, which is the most abundant element actually has three stages of it, it is connected with deuterium and tritium.

So everything is connected with that.ium and tritium. So, you know, everything is connected with that. We talked about the divine name, three letters in four places, and the amino acids, even though there's four nucleobases, really three for the most part keep getting used. It's three, three, three. I mean, there's, I could spend all day just talking about the three. But then I want to go into that next aspect and the Pistisoph Sophia, which we've done extensive commentary on. I know you've read that. So if you're interested in Pistis Sophia, HerTAC, Google that, especially from our website. There it is. Yes, there's a lot of other ones, but we've done the commentary based on Dr.

HerTAC's higher understanding of the heavens and how it relates to us. But they talk about the quad trinity. So which means going beyond just the three, what happens when we graduate? What happens when we become part of it? That was the fourth triangle that you were leading to. Yes, and also in terms of even just the Star of David, there's the trinity and then there's the other one that comes down. So we represent that first trinity and then the other one that comes down, comes down from the higher realms. We often talk about, you know, whether it is the Trinity power, as we said, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,

or whether it's three Lords like Dr. Urgec and I relate a lot to Metatron, Michael, and the Kisildak. In fact, Metatron was Dr. Urgec's experience. We didn't say it says keys of Enoch, but he had a connection in his experience directly with Enoch who then introduced him to Metatron. Now a lot of people say Metatron and Enoch are the same. And I say, well, you know, am I the same as my mother? Not really. You know, I still respect her. Although I'm kind of my mother as well, if you look at me.

So, I mean, that's the same aspect. Well, the bottom line is people will say, well, I've heard a lot of this since like a new age adventure. I mean, what credibility is there? And so we want to show this book to our audience, Mind Dynamics in Space and Time, a book that was written with our late colleague, Elizabeth Rauscher, who was the most gifted female mathematician in the United States over 400 scientific papers. This is the real X-Files. It deals with work at Stanford Research Institute. We're scientists. American scientists show that the power of the mind can take us from

locality to non-locality. We were able to see the underground Russian military locations. We were able to follow the Russian submarines. We were able, as my projection to Mars, see the pyramids on Mars before they were actually discovered officially by the NASA probes, which means we are already gifted with the inner spirit, the inner dynamic.

In Hebrew, the higher, the Shama, which is the soul spirit that connects with the divine mind. Otherwise we waste our whole life trying to go through thousands and thousands and thousands of books and papers with a big question mark. Is God existing? Do we have a destiny? We're saying, of course we have a destiny, our soul, our divine spark has to wake up and smell the coffee. And that can be done through sacred music and sacred sounds. You don't have to read all of these book sets. We're the coffee. And that can be done through sacred music and sacred sounds. You don't have to read all of these books. That's where the experts, the average person can rejoice daily in God's loving love letter, the Psalms. And so also this is where we'll say the science

of consciousness comes in. If you follow Stuart Hammeroff or Roger Penrose, they'll tell you that consciousness does not really originate in our brains, actually a consciousness field. And we believe that first and foremost, before all the mathematics that we've been talking about is consciousness. Now what we can tap into, you know, for the most part, especially if we're negative thinkers, is just the local crap that's going on around here. And we keep pulling that in and feeding into it and all this stuff. But if we move into that higher consciousness field and seek higher wisdom as you have done in a lot of your studies and work, we start tapping into greater and greater levels of that consciousness field. In fact in our lectures

we often talk about our friend Ego Swan who actually remote viewed Jupiter and he said Jupiter has rings around it and everyone says, uh aren't you thinking about Saturn? You know Saturn, I see Saturn, that's not the point. Jupiter has rings around it. Well he did that in 1973. Well in 1979 the probes, the Voyager probes went by and said, hey, Jupiter has rings. So the point is you can remote view something greater than our local life station. And we say you can remote view into the cosmos.

You can actually experience higher realities and higher dimensions. And that is something that even in the extraterrestrial research, we've been surprised that people are starting to, a lot of the people even working for the government, you know, coming out and saying remote viewing is something that really does work and can put us into other states of an awareness. So this is the new area, remote viewing. the ability to prepare our mind to use the subconscious energy field to begin to visualize and to reach out, intention extension into other parts of reality, gather new information and hopefully provide a roadmap where we can prepare ourselves for our contact experience, which is coming very soon with cosmic intelligence, we believe

is connected with the God of the prophets and not the strange aliens that are preached and taught through Hollywood. We believe that we are at a time we have to be very positive, very futuristic, but also very compassionate to humans who do not have the opportunity of scientific education and that which goes with the higher end of knowledge and this is why we've emphasized through our work with Stephen Halpern and leading musicians like Carlos Santana the need of grace and gratitude, the ability to reach out and realize we are divine humans waking up in a vast and awesome universe and we really need to think positive in this midst of change that is now taking place. I just heard recently that someone had read in the CIA files that they even had remote viewed

and had found the Ark of the Covenant, which I'm sure there's more than one anyways. But that was something I just, just last week had had read or listened to somewhere. But you know, I mean, this isn't anything new. They've been doing this for a long time and it's been well known within the government and in other countries. But you know, we've been kept so small. We've been told, you know, we seek everything outside of us. Even forgiveness is given outside of you. told, you know, we seek everything outside of us. Even forgiveness is given outside of you. Power, you know, love, all of these things are outside of you. And now we're coming home to ourselves and realizing we have this potential. Are there

limits to remote viewing? Like, can you only view? Can you manipulate once you're in there? Is there rules or laws? Well, let me say we do feel that we're coming at it to an end of a cycle. We're not, should not be in fear of this because we are not alone in the universe. And there are many levels of intelligence that are, again, feeding us information to prepare us for that awakening. I won't call the destruction, I'll call it the awakening. The awakening comes on many levels. Now, one of the things, because we work very closely with Russell Targ, in fact, Dr. Jaco wrote a book with him, which is more of a Buddhist philosophy called

End of Suffering, which is also available. And in there, I think they describe one of the things is you can also remove you the past. In fact, they did it. They were in the Bay area of California, South San Francisco area. And one of the remote viewers was looking at this park where there were other remote people sending the information who were standing there. And he found this water tower and they look, there's no water tower.

Then they go back into the books, right, the history books of that area. In the 50s, there was a water tower there. So I mean, when you remote view the Ark of the Covenant, I would say go see if you can find it, dig it and see if it's there now. We don't we actually do believe that the Ark of the Covenant is type of portal of connection. And we feel in a certain sense, all of us are starting to gather some aspects of that with the two angels, it's all the whole spiritual guides, it's also symbolic of what's happening now. It did happen physically in the

past, there's no doubt about it. But what's happening now is literally all of us are going to be part of that energy connection. We don't meet the priests anymore, as many people have already gathered. But we do need the higher consciousness. And that's what's important. When you have a higher consciousness, you can stand in that portal of ascension,

in that arc of the covenant, and connect. So yes, you can actually, I say, we teach from time to time with our friend, Alan Steinfeld, remote viewing. And oftentimes, you know, I say you can figure out where your boyfriend is if he's not where he's supposed to be. You can find your keys. Elizabeth Rauscher, I used to say to her, she was an older lady at the time. You know, what do you want for dinner? She remote view the food store and tell me exactly what's good and what you wanted. So, I mean, there's practical things, but it even goes higher. And that's where we come in as the Adamic species that at one time was a light body. We can connect to that and know really the little thrones and dominions.

So we're merging with supernature in New Testament terminology, remote viewing would be a gift of the Holy Spirit. Healing would be a gift of the Holy Spirit. Distant communication also a gift. So we're beginning to see beneath the symbolism of all the New Testament and even non-commodity teaching, there is a call to understand the higher Christ consciousness, the consciousness of a whole realm of spirit. In the Old Testament, we were told we were created in the image and similitude, but no one defines similitude. Similitude was generally understood as the energy field

that supports the image of God in the human race. So we're beginning to understand that this is a weird awakening of the age of miracles. We're moving into the age of similitude, associations with those who look like us from the other dimensions, as well as discern those who do not look like us that may have been behind the tragedies

that we've suffered in the 20th century. So we are walking a very careful line between looking too much in the past and being paralyzed by age old scenarios, which we don't fully understand and look into the future where we're given a message of hope and understanding. We're being made aware that we're being invited to join the galactic family of creation.

And we've done research with Russian scientists who have looked at the magnetic field strength in different places of the planet and they have these kind of structures where they shift the magnetic field strength in different places of the planet and they have these kind of structures where they shift the magnetic field and it seems to open our minds also connected with our pineal gland and now others are saying also the kagatai nucleus and the pudamen which are part of these dorsal striatum this is all these little circles on both side of the brain that's almost on both sides of the pineal gland, which- So this is advanced parapsychology.

But what they found is as the magnetic field shifts, which we believe it's doing, we become more and more aware. Now that can cause chaos for people who are not seeking higher alignment. But for those who are, we start really connecting with deeper and deeper levels of who we are, why we're here, what's our mission.

So we are getting more and more opportunities in this day and age, if I can say that, for understanding our higher selves. And this is starting to happen now. And this is not contradictory to mystical Judaism And this is non-contradictory to mystical Judaism and Christianity that teach us that ultimately we connect with the angels of God or but the B'nai Elohim, the higher aspects of the tree of life.

Our teaching is thus the scientific confirmation of the ancient mysteries, reaching out to humanity and quest the divine spark of God, realizing that the ancient texts are God's love letter to us to wake up and realize we're part of the divine family. For skeptics, we've done the homework, we put together the documentation with government people, astronauts, researchers in other countries.

So if you have time to take upon yourself the studies, we will give you also various linguistic texts of the sacred geometries that you can visualize in your own private meditations. That's gorgeous. Okay, so I must say that I think that remote viewing and maybe you can tell me if there's a difference. I mean, it reminds me a lot of like shamanic journey, where you can go into the three different realms,

the lower middle. I was thinking if I lose my keys, can do something like that also, like pass-by regressions, very deep meditation. Is there a difference or? Well, according to Elizabeth Rauscher, who was a nuclear physicist and worked at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory and connected of course with the Stanford research group of Russell Targon, Hal Pudoff, who were doing that.

She believes that what remote viewing does when we really develop it is puts us, our minds into what eight dimensional space, where there's really no time and space reality. So basically you can tap into all those different levels. So there's even been, of course, and this is Russell's favorite thing right now, precognition where you can see things in the future. Now I believe you can see things probably about nine months in the future because we do have free will. And people are saying, well,

what do you think about the end of the world? I say, go back to the book of Jonah. you probably have read that you know God said to Jonah Nineveh is going to be destroyed unless these people change that's it well they changed so he looked like the idiot at the end because they changed the world wasn't destroyed and Nineveh wasn't destroyed so we all have free will that's where higher consciousness has to come in to give us the insights to be in the right place at the right time. We have a friend that, you know, two months before the Malibu fires, which just took place, he got the instruction to leave and move and he did. So, I mean, these are things we have to be aware of. We have to start tuning into what we call our

higher selves. And of course, one of our books that we've written is called the over self-awakening and this is really part of understanding who we are. Once we realize that we have this higher self that can reach into these higher dimensions and know more we can start using it on a moment by moment basis and we need to because sometimes it's a warning really and we need to listen and to become aware. So to answer your question we have moved beyond shamanism and traditional theology into actual work with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. But the shamans also were using the same consciousness energy to understand and to move and to do

the dream time is a perfect example in Australia. We work with the shamanistic traditions. We work also with the indigenous elders throughout the world. And also we understand the time of the, should we say the importance of where the governments of the world are getting involved and say, well, we have kept this information secret. We need to put it out.

There is a way though, we can go more quickly into higher self realization. And that's the divine path within, not to look for a guru or religious figure, or be a religious window shopper going from place to place, but realize within ourselves, we have the divine spark that can be awakened through the names of God, through the sacred language of light, through self-realization on much higher levels of glory. Right, so what's important, actually we have worked with the Shavanti Indians

in Brazil, they're in the Mato Grosso, and it's interesting, they actually sleep together in a hut, and I call this like dancing with wolves, they actually are in each other's brains, and when you spend any time with them, they get into your brain and you go, oh, I really don't want someone else in my brain

because we're so used to being individuals. But they do that, but that's on a certain level. But that concept of being able to connect, being able to feel and know the extraterrestrials, the majority of them are telepathic. Well, is it only them? No, we are telepathic too. We just, as you said, been dumbed down

and haven't had that ability to do it, but we do. We have to start developing that. I think that's what's happening on a personal level. We're starting to realize we have that higher ability, but we even have higher abilities. That's why, and Linda Moulton-How and even Whitley Strieber are starting to understand. A friend of ours wrote a book called They Need Us, We Don't Need Them. And they're talking about extraterrestrials because a lot of times they are fascinated with our soul.

A lot of these beings are very local, been designed here, been brought up here, so to speak. They don't have the soul connection, the soul spirit, Nishamah, connection that we have the ability to gain, to do. And we are starting to do that. I believe if you go back, I have to do this before probably closing, the ancient book of Enoch, you're probably familiar with it, and if not it's an interesting ancient book of Enoch. You're probably familiar with it and if not it's an interesting dialogue, first Enoch it's called or the book of Enoch. It talks about in the previous cycle before the flood there were beings they call them the B'nei Elohim. B'nei ha Elohim is the actual term in the Bible that actually came and had relations with the daughters of Matt.

And they- I know. Yeah. So the same story seems to be playing itself. Sometimes. That's why the Pistis Sophia is so- Yeah. It shows the mysteries of how we are to activate our soul

through vibrational understanding and sound so that we can make the discernment. Those who begin to vibrate the compassion love that relates to the human creation. But I believe that in a certain sense, and then the flood came on behest of cleaning out this planetary system and going back to our original genetic code,

which is not just the genetic code because I have 10 fingers and a pretty face, it's actually the sole essence that we can achieve being who we are with this higher code structure. So that's what they needed to do, but we also needed to be protected. So this is what the Nakamati as well as the Epistle of Sophia are teaching us. There is the higher faith, Sophia, the higher wisdom. It comes together through vibration, the trimorphic experience. A body of mind and spirit is not just a word in a dictionary, an old text, no, it's a real expansion of inner vibrations. I'm going to explain this

by using a Hebrew mantra. If you could give me just 30 seconds seconds I'm going to shout or teach and sometimes it doesn't work or vibrate the best possible one of the divine expressions God is present. Begin to use the mantras with vocalization and understanding your whole body changes. You become a tabernacle of the divine spirit. You begin to go beyond the dualism of all these psychological and parapsychological situations that take up your time, waste your life. If you get only into intellectualism, you have to get into the experience of why these scriptures speak of God's Holy Spirit residing within our human tabernacle. Psalms of David come alive, the vision of John the Divine comes alive, the Nakamati text come alive, the Pistisophia especially.

We recommend comes alive because it shows that we are connected with the Divine management upstairs, not coming back to help us through this great change that's taking place. Yes. Oh my gosh, I love that. You know what I'm being called to know right now and I and I don't know much about it, but I'm going to learn is the Book of Jew. I mean, I have to. Do you have anything on that? Well, actually, I think we just show a little bit of it in the Pista Sophia. But you know, a lot of these texts, because of the translation to the English, you lose a lot of the higher message.

I mean, if you take even the first Genesis 1, 1, you know, the way the mathematics is in that, the fact that there's seven letters, there's so much that we don't hear about or know about because it's translated. So I think you find oftentimes that it's hard to understand these ancient texts because that it is brought down to the English language. So there's basically seven levels of teaching that go with the Pistis Sophia that go with the keys of Enoch. They go with a lot of the Nakamati. They go with the basic anthropology, archeology, then you move into music and mathematics and ultimately new psychology, higher consciousness.

Our organization, the Academy for Future Science means science guided by consciousness. When we understand consciousness is behind the material world as well as the mental world, we begin to move up the scale of vibration. We began to take upon ourselves the language of light, the language of music, the language of sound, and then we transform ourselves to do many things. This is why Desiree and I have worked in so many different fields with the best teachers on the planet because we have opened our consciousness perspective.

And we've taken sound equipment into the Great Pyramid. And we've also taken it into some of the pyramids of Mexico. We've written papers on this. We have a book called Sound. That's by the Common Sentient Series available on Amazon. Not most of our books. It was number one last year on Amazon. Most of our books are not available on Amazon.

It's available through keysofenock.org because of the fact that we really are a spiritual teaching. And so we like to like have it not become a, of situations, but really an understanding of teaching. We were, you know, requested people just buy one or two of the books to really get deeply into it. And then there's more and more and more. In fact, Dr. Hurtak this year is finalizing.

There were 54 keys in the keys of Enoch. And now he will say, it will be 10 additional chapters and each one really explains how we, and where we're going. Each one has a cosmic picture. This is so important because when you read the book, now both sides of the brain are being opened. The analytical which is the physical text of words but also the right feminine which is now the

higher geometry, sacred geometry in color. Only when you put them together can you have the marriage of the left and right hemisphere, the male and female nature that the great mystics speak about. Without this you're simply speaking word games. Much of this has been taught to me through my own personal experiences. Like in my backyard one day, I saw the sun and the moon and they were equal. I didn't have to move my head.

It was crazy. It was like a noon in winter. It was a new moon. It was a crescent moon. I think it was a Crone moon and it was the Sun and I was like, oh my gosh, you can't have one without the other, you know, mask. It was everything at the moment. And then all of a sudden, I'm not joking. I actually took pictures of all of it because I was like, no one would believe me, but a dove, one white dove came above my head which I have a lot of doves around me and I took

a picture it was like it was just like one of those moments right where it was like that alchemical marriage actually was I was experiencing it but I had never heard of an alchemical marriage. This is years ago. Oh, really? Yeah. A picture here of a dove connected with the pyramids of Mexico. When we were singing the names of God, this energy formed the form of a dove with the beam of light. But I know you're talking about a real dove and this does happen.

I mean, because birds and all of nature, we're trying to say with all the teachings that we're talking about, is it really comes down to a higher experience. No one should just read for the sake of reading. As I'm showing here what Desiree is saying, in some areas where we've worked in archeologicals on, such as Tulum, Mexico, when they sang the names of God in ancient Hebrew Aramaic,

suddenly light came down around my body. It shook the reality of even my translator behind who's simply showing a sense of awesomeness about the energy field. So we're saying to each of you watching this program, this is the age of the Holy Spirit, the age of miracles, the time that the light of the dove is being poured out. We must begin to go beyond. Should we see the traditional understanding of one level of the scriptures to the seven levels, highest being the mystical, metaphysical,

and the Holy Spirit working together to realize we're going to make it through all of this negative reality into the kingdom of glory. Amen. Or a woman or however you wanna look at it. All of them together. Yes, that's right. Can I share that? I actually, you guys are, I'm writing a book called Desperately Seeking Sophia and you're both mentioned in it because after I had my interview with you, I had a really crazy

experience with the dove and your book. So I had already gotten your book and I had all the synchronicity with it. But one day I was in deep study and I was trying to, I was actually led to Helena Protovna Blavatsky, was reading some stuff and I was putting some connections with Jesuits. And it actually was kind of a dark hole that I was in, to be honest. And all of a sudden, I got a warning on my phone. It said suspicious activity. And it said Jesuits. It wouldn't let me search anymore. It didn't like it.

Well, about a half an hour later, it was at night. And there was a storm. My son let his friend out and I opened the door and a dove dropped dead on my porch right in front of me. And I, you know, I'd had all these beautiful experiences with the doves and had just connected with the dove as a true messenger, a mediator, you know, and I was devastated, completely devastated. And I was scared and I just got a bad feeling. So about two weeks later, my daughter's playing on the port outside and I'm

sitting on the porch on a rocking chair and I see these, this little bird trying to come to my porch and I had been seeing the lone dove because right because there's always two. And do you know that two baby doves were born on my porch in my wreath, my harvest wreath, it was around Thanksgiving. And all I thought was in that moment was return of the dove. I kept hearing return of the Dove and I was like where did I hear this from? Well when I first got this book and I opened it, it opened randomly to the page Return of the Dove. Amazing. I'll do that. Yes. In the first part of the book. What is that? What is Return of the Dove to you? Meaning the Holy Spirit is being poured out upon the world, particularly in the United

States, Mexico and Canada, as Desiree's Holy Spirit is up there. So it's really a direction of the US and how changes will take place. The wings of the dove along the East Coast and West Coast indicate that there will be climate change. But the Midwest part of Canada and the United States means that this is the area of faith, the area of fellowship, the area of higher consciousness experience. This will be an area of contact. Yes, there will be importance of the death of animals first flying and falling out of the sky. We know this through our work with top environmentalists worldwide,

but also the return of the dove symbolizes that beyond all of the cycle of death, there will be the eternal dove, the reawakening as we put also in our book called, See Right at the Heart, Overself Awakening, which you see does raise holy in the more basic book for quotes the case. All its spiritual pictures that are so fantastic. But in actuality, I want to say what that means. A lot of people think, oh, it's happenstance. You just happen to have a couple of birds there that came

or just happened to. None of this is happenstance. That's what we're all trying to say. We energize and are connected with a greater field. And that field, we can produce. I mean, this is what the movie Thrive was all about. We can produce things that field we can produce. I mean, this is what the movie Thrive was all about. We can produce things, but we can produce negative things or we can produce positive things. So the bottom line is to visualize the white devil over your head

at all times. Is it possible? The symbol of peace, worldwide spiritual communication that is brought into your inner consciousness, and the fact that you are a peace worker, you are an emissary of light for God's kingdom and glory. And all of these images, all of your study that has brought you into this fantastic television and radio connection you have with so many friends throughout the world is now making you the messenger of the dove, the messenger, the divine age of the Holy Spirit, called also the age of the Holy Spirit, called also the Age of Miracles. I love that. Yeah, it sure did feel like a miracle and it gave me a lot of hope in that moment.

And it's so easy for us to get lost in that chaos and fear. But knowing that, you know, something else is birthing here. Really going through the doorway, the dollas, you know, that you, everything you do creates a new doorway, a new path for yourself. Yeah. To more and more the light. And I think that's what we're all supposed to be doing. We are here for a reason. We're really here right now for this great time.

I say that's why 8 billion people are on the planet because they all know there's going to be a transition of consciousness level that there hasn't been in the last 6,000 years. And it's contact with extraterrestrials, but it's also contact with the divine mind if we so choose. And the shift of the magnetic field, our magnetosphere, is actually, as I said before, helping us. But the more we align to the light and seek to help others, right, the two things love, God love your fellow man, the more we do that, the more we are opening ourselves and our hearts, our you know, souls and our minds to that higher awareness to take us exactly where we need to be. And it can be very, very simple.

It can be like crossing the street with an older lady who all of a sudden falls. We're there to help her. You know, it doesn't have to be miracles, but it can be everything. If we are so guided in our higher self and our higher consciousness and the divine guides that work with us and the divine Godhead, the Christ, whatever level you can reach is there always trying to help you help others. I'd like to close with this picture from the keys of enoch that shows really the awakening of the divine self. It's the female form and what is called the merkabah, the spiritual vehicle of transition. For those who can watch my finger at the top of the picture, it's light that is coming through the biostratus, that energy field that surrounds our physical form as we reactivate

our body through sound, through symbols, sacred geometries, we realize that we are a biotransducer and energy field at work. When we connect that with our corresponding intelligence in the universe, we begin to graduate. This is the portal of ascension. This is the time of realizing we are with the divine spark. Our soul is not passive. It's not an intellectual curiosity. It's a divine field of energy that we can mobilize. And we can empower. We can even change the weather, which we've done before. We've been able to deviate hurricanes.

When we work as a group, we can mitigate certain things. And that's exactly what Jonah did, right? He saved Nineveh by just bringing that energy forth. And they changed all of us together, helped to work together to change the planet. So does there have to be war and destruction? I love it. Our friend, Kredo Mutwa from South Africa said,

prophecy is only God's early warning system. So if we're warned or warned, we can all make a difference. So God loves us and we love you. And we thank you so much for having us on your program. And again, for those who are interested, our books, The Keys of Enoch, and also the new updated keys, the other keys that have now been published after 40 years.

I love number 405 and 407. All of the contact areas of research that's going on behind the scenes, as well as the pistol Sophia. Write to us. KeysofEnoch.org. And you can see us also, we have some of our music now on Apple iTunes and on Spotify so go to her tacks on that and of course we're also out there on many of the social media channels including YouTube. Keep in touch with Stephen Halpern one of our great musicians who

was the student of the academy some 50 years ago keep in touch with us through the work of Carla Santana, the great musician who went from drugs into spirituality. Keep in touch with us through the internet films that we're going to put into motion this year. Remember the work of King David, Psalm 51. The new spirit, the Holy Spirit, the William Spirit, the triple power, the trimorphic energy of sound, self-realization, and divine consciousness, love at work and unity. Oh, wow. Thank you so much. So powerful. We honor your work and we thank you for having Vivianne. She's a friend.

Yeah, Vivianne Cheve, we watched her. Oh yeah, I love her. She's awesome. Contact in the desert. Yeah, I know it's not your topic, but you probably know we have the entire Bible on tape cassette and we have a lot. Although not from Auditex, they've translated into the English language. Yeah. I went your whole library. But the whole library. Really been my main study. I just really, I wanted to read it raw without anyone telling me what they thought. Because people would say, oh, you need to read so and so's book about Sophia.

And I was like, no, I just want to receive her for myself. You know, so I thank you for for Mrs. Sophia, because I felt that that's how I received her. Well, you'd be the most important person for our new book. We're coming out, which is a textbook to go with the Pista Sophia. My students throughout the world put together questions and answers, and this book would be about 120 pages. Well, that's on our agenda.

For this year, there will be a textbook on the Pista Sophia, how you can read it, understand it, and share it. But just so I know, and you may know, we've done the father's names, the mother's names, and now of course we have the son's names. And they're all with, this is 76 actually, technically 77 names have like connected with the- The Hebrew, the Aramaic, the Greek, and the English.

You can pick each name and see it through sacred geometry, sacred sounds, and color. But anyway, keep going. Don't you guys have time to do all this? Okay, yeah, well we're finalizing. We had contact with the divine. You know, I was taken up off the planet. I saw the face of Christ.

It's changed my life. I was an academic. I left the university to do all this research. And God has inspired me to be, to do work that I normally wouldn't do unless I have the higher power. In fact, if you ever go to Israel inside the museum, you'll see one of the scrolls I wrote for him 50 years ago that explain all these things now going on

in the Middle East and things that will come about with divine intervention. Yeah, so Ernie Geller opened a museum with all his stuff and he put the scroll Dr. Jack gave him. Dr. Jack put it together in 1973. We gave it to him in like January 74 and he's finally now in Israel displayed. So are you guys surprised by all of the things that are coming to be? No, unfortunately. We'll just see how fast. At first maybe the first few things and now you're like hurry y'all are holding my scroll.

But now it's unrolled. And here it was when I was writing it 50 years ago. So it's in Israel. It's been studied by the scholars. This is a prophetic text. He considers it his Torah because his parents, it's a higher Kabbalistic text. So all of the people still wanting to know well, with whether they're looking only backwards rather than

forwards. God's kingdom is coming. The altar trestles are coming. The's kingdom is coming, the altar trestles are coming, the scientists are waking up, and the music is important. So whatever we discuss in the future, the bottom line is music of the heart, mind, and spirit. But you're doing great. Keep going. And we're just hoping things don't come too fast because we, you know, things are really speeding up in this reality. I hear that constantly. So we'll see because really we do have a choice

to do good or to go the wrong way. And it's really up to, you know, humanities work together. Thank you for the great work you're doing. Up with us through our internet, we'll be back with you in the future, God willing. Thank you. Thanks for watching!