Sense of Soul - Sensing the Other Side of the Veil

Episode Date: July 15, 2024

In this episode of Sense of Soul, Shanna talks with Susan Grau, Soul Healer, Internationally Renowned Intuitive Medium, Life Coach. With over thirty years of experience in both professional and spiritual practices, Susan offers a wealth of heartfelt guidance and insight, enriching lives. Her newly released book Infinite Life, Infinite Lessons: Wisdom from the Spirit World on Living, Dying, and the In-Between. Profound insights into your soul's journey, healing from grief, and the afterlife. Susan shares her deeply personal struggles, near-death experience, and stories of the thousands she's helped as an Evidential Medium. With over three decades of experience, Susan's goal is to help others who seek to understand the afterlife and to assist with the deep soul pain of grief. Known for bringing her genuine, benevolent, and down-to-earth style to her clients and sessions, she works with the spirit world using her “Clair Senses” as a means to communicate with the individuals who have passed.  Susan's unique abilities have garnered attention from various media outlets. Her features in documentaries, publications and special events such as Gwyneth Paltrow’s GOOP, Elle, The Hollywood Reporter, Vancouver Sun News, and Style and Society Magazine, alongside her inclusion in the Famous Mediums directory and James Van Praagh’s preferred mediums list, attest to her recognition.  Look for Susan in the documentary, Beyond the Grave. An investigative journalist researches the mystery of what happens after death. Susan gives an out of this world reading you have to see! https://susangrau.com Beyond the Grave: https://youtu.be/wvcqptZVn8U?si=xHVhDUoI3gV1_cfp www.senseofsoulpodcast.com  

Hello, my soul-seeking friends. It's Shanna. Thank you so much for listening to Sense of Soul podcast. Enlightening conversations with like-minded souls from around the world, sharing their journey of finding their light within, turning pain into purpose, and awakening to their true sense of soul. If you like what you hear, show me some love and rate, like, and subscribe. And consider becoming a Sense of Soul Patreon member, where you will get ad-free episodes, monthly circles, and much more. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. In this episode of Sense of Soul, I'll be chatting with Susan Grau, an internationally celebrated soul healer, a life coach, celebrity reader, and intuitive medium.

Susan has over 30 years of experience in both professional and spiritual practices. She has been featured in documentaries, publications, special events such as Gwyneth Paltrow's Goop. And Susan is also a Hay House author. And in her new book, Infinite Life, Infinite Lessons, Susan deep dives into the soul's journey, offering insights into healing from grief in the afterlife. It combines Susan's personal narratives, reflective guidance, and practical exercises designed to help the readers identify spiritual blocks, navigate personal challenges, and uncover their life's and soul's purpose. Susan today is joining us to share with us her wealth of heartfelt guidance and insight.

So please welcome Susan. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Nice to meet you. Hi, Shannon. It's nice to meet you also. I was looking at your stuff this morning. You talk a lot about the clear senses and I do too, because I find it almost common sense. I mean, we all learn differently. We, you know, we understand things differently. Our brains are like that. Yes. Well, I think, you know, for us, we're constantly trying to make sense of our senses and instead of just allowing them to be what they are and then flowing into them. We're trying to figure them out with our thinking. And our thinking is so distorted by our humanness that our thinking doesn't have clarity.

And so when we're trying to make sense up here, we can't figure it out. When we're trying to make sense in our soul, it comes very readily and easily. Because our souls are never damaged our souls are the direct connection to the spirit world and when i hear people say we have soul wounds i always shudder inside because i tell them you know where would you go internally or externally for that matter because nobody else would be healed if you had some brokenness and needed to be healed truly healed where would you go if your soul, and it's an inside job, right? If your soul's damaged, where would you go? So, you know, and also that vine,

that connection to the spirit world, I call it the vine to the soul, that flow, that easy flow would be broken because there would be so much brokenness. So when I think about the clairsenses or our senses, I always talk about that. You know, we just have to drop into that soul source and get out of our head. Because this is full of a gunk of the world. You know, it doesn't go with us when we leave. And that's the good news. Your heart has 40,000 neurons.

And the beauty of that is that it carries memory and learning capacity. So when you're leaving your body, your soul or your heart is going with your soul because that's where your soul seats. And so that goes, not all this crap that we've, I mean, we pick up every single thing unconsciously that happens in our journey. Just be in your senses and experience everything from that place, that space and time. And what's hilarious is we, we like, I know for myself anyways, I wanted to be big my whole life. Yeah, me too. Me too. I wanted to be a mommy. I wanted to grow up and be a mommy and I'd be satisfied. And they took me, I am a mommy by adoption, but they took me down a completely different road on my journey. Yeah.

Tell me about that. How did you land into being a medium? Well, I think I always was. My mother had this gift and my sister and my brother had this gift. The only thing I remember about being little tiny, like three years old, was seeing animals float when they would pass away. So if we had an animal pass away, I'd see it float. And we had land, so we had cats and things like that, unfortunately, went to their maker and creator. And unfortunately for me, not for them.

But at four and a half years old, almost five, I was locked in an unplugged freezer in a garage. And I had a very profound experience. And when I came back from that, I could see people everywhere. They were under my bed in the corner of my room down the hallway. They were inundating me with beauty, but I didn't know. So I thought they were the boogeyman. I was super young, right? And I would put the blankets over my head and say, go away, go away, go away. And I think they recognized very quickly, oh, we're scaring her. But we have things to teach her about her near-death experience. And so I think that they would come back again.

My memory is that they would, as little. And what we perceive as a little child is somewhat different. But I remember them coming back again and again and again. And then pretty soon it morphed into, I just died. This is my name. Please wake up. I need my family to know something. And then I'd get a call that so-and-so's brother, sister's friend died.

And how they died was the same. The name was the same. And so I would give this message. Ultimately, I became a grief addiction therapist because I wanted to help people. And that led me into mediumship. I just in a really weird way, my own losses, you know, as I would lose people, especially in tragic ways, it would expand. And I have two brothers and a mother that committed suicide. And my mother was older and

she died from complications of that, but my brothers were young. And so as those things occurred, it would expand and I would get more in contact and feel more energy. And it just kept going and going. Here I am. So did you have any kind of like religious, spiritual background to begin with? When I was a little girl, I was Catholic. But when I received this gift and my mother was, well, they actually locked my mom up for a couple of weeks thinking she was crazy. So she never spoke about it. She

was very frightened of it. But when I received the extensive part of the gift, my family walked away from the Catholic church, feeling that they weren't supportive of what was happening in our family and what we were going through and some other things. So it just stopped. It was just abrupt. It went from, we believe in God, we believe in Jesus, we believe in Catholicism to we believe in nothing except God and Jesus. And so there was no belief system outside of that. And so I grew up more just knowing, but you know, when you're on the other side, you just know anyway, you just know, you sense them, you feel them, you interact in a way that is very unhuman. Like you have a sense all the time that they're there. You know, I was crossed over by the angelic realm and I was shown so many beautiful things

and I had nothing to verify it. So to me, it was just information. But as I got older and things started occurring, I went, oh, verification. And one of the books, Conversations with God, gave me that. So, yeah. I'm, you know, from Catholic as well. I'm a recovering Catholic, but there's still this belief system about certain things. So when I read the Bible with new eyes, I mean, I was like, whoa, holy moly, you know,

this is literally holy moly. I'm like, wait a minute. Angels, aliens, this sounds very similar to abductions and visitations. And as well, I saw that other people were thinking the same. But however, before Archangel Michael was a huge one in the beginning. So these visions of these beautiful angel-like beings were at the height of all of my meditations or in my dreams that we're telling. And then you talk to someone else who has more of an extraterrestrial, and they didn't have that deeply rooted Catholicism in them, and they're seeing more galactic and having more galactic experiences.

And I question whether they're the same or are we attracting because of the energy that we're seeped in? I think it's both. It's both. And honestly, I believe they come as we understand them. Okay. There you go. That's beautiful. So if you're, especially if you're young, but you know, they, they present themselves so that we understand. So whatever our belief system is, so I don't think they're one or the other, or I think they're all in every, I think that would be a better way to state it. They're everything and they are all things. And so when we need them to come in a way that we understand,

they're going to come that way. A child that's raised with Catholicism is not going to understand a galactic being. They're going to be terrified, but they will understand an angelic presence being near them. And so as I understand them and what they showed me, of course, then was the angelic energy. Yeah. And then you find out what angels are described in the Bible and you're like, whoa, they're not Campbell's soup kids. I mean, wow. And then they always say, you're not Mary. I don't want to scare the crap out of you because obviously they probably, you know, didn't look exactly like we envisioned them through the art that was depicted. But the energy of it is still very soft. I mean, Archangel Michael has, I have such, he's such a familiar energy to me.

But this is also someone I called on my entire life, you know, for protection. I mean, every time I lose something, you know, I'm calling on St. Anthony and it works. Yeah. Well, and however you decide to name them, they also flow with that. Yeah. How you understand them in every way. So children have a tendency to see Archangel Michael when they cross. They tend to see Mother Mary when they cross. I work with NDs and children and I see that it's a common theme. And people don't talk about that necessarily, but it's definitely a common theme. In near-death experiences, absolutely. When I work with adults, the adults have a different view because they've had more life

experience. And so, you know, even their soul memories and their heart memories are very different. So they have a different view of it, but it's the same view. They just compartmentalize it differently or they realize it. Yes. Yes. But children need to feel safe much much more so than an adult. Adult crossing over, they're not in that same fear because they understand it differently or they've heard more about it throughout their life journey, or they've had prayers and connected in dreams and things like that, where children don't have a lot of experience with death.

I didn't understand death. I didn't know what I was seeing. So I think that makes a difference. That's very interesting. So I have four kids. My youngest daughter, the first five years of her life, I lost like the closest people to me. One of my best friends, my dad, my grandma, an aunt. I mean, just so many people. she constantly saw me in a state of grief yeah so much that when she was like four or five I can't remember I think probably like four she's like I'm gonna miss you when you go I mean she just thought everyone just goes but it what's interesting is it created a different human I mean she's totally different because she sees the world through this spiritual lens from the get-go, right? Because this was her experience

for her whole life. And she's very spiritual now that even still. Yeah. And then you look back at what you just said, this was her experience. So they come as we experience and understand. We know not, we have knowledge, you know, that maybe we wouldn't know why we have it. I mean, that goes on throughout our journey, you know, where you think, how did I know that? It feels right. It sounds right.

But how did that come to me? You know, so they're always downloading in us, but with the angels, they're very pure. So angels are the pure love of the spirit world. And even though they can fight for us and protect us and all those things, they have a purity of soul that is beyond anything else in the spirit world, outside of, I would say, animals. They're pure. They don't have have motives they're not looking for a motive to be loved and a motive to help and a motive they're not looking for that they are simply there with pure love to offer us and so they don't think in the terms that we do as humans and we want to put human emotions and feelings on the spirit world which doesn't work. It doesn't work because that brain isn't there.

Right. That we think is. Yeah. But do you find that there's archetypes though, when it comes to the different energies anyways, that we can group them into that? Of course, like we were just saying, our Gingrich has a very protective energy. And if children want to feel safe and protected, that would make sense to me. However, you learned about Archangel Michael with a religious connotation. And so he would be exactly that. It's a gift you were given.

It's a knowledge base that they wanted you to have, obviously, because you were born into that knowledge and grown with that knowledge. So I think that regardless of their position in the spirit world, they are still pure in love. They don't have motives for themselves. And that to me is a purity of love. We should all try to be like that. Exactly.

Exactly. And it's really hard with the brain. It's really hard because we want what we want when we want it. And we want people to be who we want them to be. So we're comfortable in our skin. I think that's why people try to stop people from grieving. They try to fix them because they're having discomfort with their discomfort, the other person's discomfort. So I tell people get comfortable with the uncomfortable. I find when people call mediums grief vampires, they love to call us grief vampires. And my answer to that is always, we are because we're taking in, we are literally sucking in the power of the grief in front of us. It's the very opposite of what they see it as. They see it as, you know, we're going after the grief people

and sticking our fangs in them, trying to harm them. And I'm trying to tell them, no, we're taking it all in. We're just, you know, it's coming in and we're having to move through that with the knowledge that there is trauma sitting in front of us and pain and their souls are literally right here. And the soul of the spirit world's right here. And we have a huge responsibility to be authentic and have integrity and character. And if we don't know, we don't know, and we don't need to be right. And our ego has to be out of it. I mean, there's so much to it and it's so hard and yet so rewarding when someone stands up and says, I came in here not believing and I leave knowing my child's with me and I believe, and my pain has lessened in some strange way. And so I think in

the future, the wave will be mediums. I think it's happening already. Mediums will be great grief workers and grief therapists. It will be where people go to handle their grief, along with, of course, the traditional way that people do it. And when you combine those two, I see people heal so much more readily and with less strife, not necessarily quickly because grief decides when it's done with you. You don't decide when you're done with it. So I have no idea how quickly they'll get through their grief, but it's more readily done more smoothly. Like closure. Yeah. That's a perfect word. If you're grieving too long, sometimes you can't move on. I think not just closure, but honestly, grief of not knowing what happened, not knowing,

you know, the suffering, not knowing if they did it on purpose or, you know, was it an accident? These questions are huge, especially to a mother, especially to a mother or father. So we're able to give enough evidence if we're good mediums. You know, I think without evidence, there's nothing. So we are able to give enough evidence that they know they're there. Then when they're asking those questions, they believe and trust. And it's so important for us not to want to fix the mother or father, you know, because I want to.

And I tell them that I want to make you feel better. I want to fix you right now, but I can't, I have to be stay in my connection and give you truth. So if you ask that question, be sure that you want the true answer because once I ask it, I have to be in that authentic truth. So I met with a good friend of mine who I've known for her oldest daughter and my oldest son. So 27 years, they are, well, they were. So I met with her for coffee the other day. So her daughter was in college and her other daughter was in high school. And her daughter, who was in high school, I think she was 16, and she took her own life. And her other daughter was just about ready to graduate from college. And she came home because, you know, she was grieving too and wanted to be with her mom and dad.

And she got in a car accident and she died. Oh. So here are my friends, mother of two beautiful girls. And then all of a sudden grieving both of them. So unbearable. I, I, I, yeah. Unbearable. And I don't care what our belief system is. It doesn't matter.

If they're not physically tangible to our humanness, then the loss is tremendous. It's beyond reason. It's beyond anything except for just this dark cloud of pain. And as, of course, time goes on, we learn to manage and maneuver through that cloud instead of fighting it and trying to get away from it. And then we managed to laugh in that cloud and we managed to move in a, in a direction of a little bit of joy in that cloud. And as we do those things, that's a higher vibration. And so that cloud starts to become maybe a shadow, but it never is gone.

Yeah, I can't even imagine. That's always been like my worst fear, you know, is losing a child or dying when they were young. That was always another fear. And I don't, I don't see death in the same, you know, I've talked to so many people about the other side and I know it's not the end. It's just transition and, you know, losing so many people and learning not to be attached. Yes. And, you know, I have this little saying that I really love and, and there's a reason I'll explain that to this conversation, but I say what we fear, we feed, what we feed, we perceive and what we perceive becomes our reality. And what I mean by that is not that we necessarily create it, but more importantly, we're already living in the trauma of it and it's not even happened.

So it becomes our reality in the moment. So as you're feeling that fear of losing a child, you're already in that pain. Even though it hasn't happened, you're feeling it and that terror and overwhelmed sense. And so we're living in that thought process instead of in the reality that they're actually here at this moment. And it may only last a nanosecond, but it's still, we're in it. And so that gives us the ability to have compassion and some form of, I don't want to say understanding, but some form of knowledge of that loss so that we can be there for the people that like your friend, the people that we love and care about in a different kind

of way. So we're meant to have those fears. That is a gift from the spirit world also. We're meant to have some of those. Now where we take it, obviously, if we live in that 24 seven, we're not doing healthy, but we're meant to have moments of that so we have more clarity and understanding of that reality. You're so right. And I think also I have all my children. I feel guilty when I tell stories of my live children. And of course, she asks, how's your children? How's your kids doing? Yes. And I think it's extremely important for us to remember that they want to be treated as normal. And so when they're asking those questions, they don't want anyone to hold back.

They don't want to be singled out. They don't want to be different. They don't want to be less than or have people that care about them be afraid to be in their presence because they might slip. When I talk to people who are in that kind of grief, they say to me, the worst part is I'm treated completely different and people stay fear upsetting me. They fear saying the wrong thing and it's terrible feeling. And so they're so lonely in it. And grief is singular anyway. We're alone in our own personal journey of grief because we have a personal relationship with a person we've lost that no one else has. And then here, everyone around us starts moving away from us. And I just know this from my own experience too. They don't know what to say. So they'd never talked about my brothers. And I wanted so bad to hear about their brothers and be treated normal. And you already feel, especially with suicide, you already feel that people are judging and what's wrong with them that they lost, what did they do wrong? These are the feelings we have. And then I realized as I was writing my book, I realized that I was in judgment of me. It wasn't just me worried

about them. I was asking the question, what did I do wrong? Why didn't they call me? You know, didn't I tell them I loved them enough? You know, I was doing that. You know, what was wrong with my family? You know, all of those things came to the forefront. So I was in the worst form of judgment. She did something I've never seen before. When she lost her second child, she had sent out a picture of her and her sister. And just thank you for being there for me and supporting me. And please don't stay away.

The last thing I want is to be alone in this. We already are feeling very alone. So it would be wonderful. Don't be afraid to contact us at this time. Yes. And how brave of them to do that because so many people lose people. So that's very brave. Takes a lot of bravery to be on this planet, doesn't it? So much bravery. And one of the things, well, after she lost her first daughters, she really wanted to connect spiritually. She wanted to open herself up and she knew she's super smart woman, super smart. She knew that grief would be so heavy that it could block maybe even the opportunity. Oh, absolutely. I had this little theory

that I created in my mind and I think of the sloth, the beautiful sloth, right? I love the sloth. Love them. My favorite animal. Very high in frequency, very low in human vibration or the world vibration, right? They move extremely slow. And the medium is like the butterfly.

We don't move in the highest vibration, but we're moving in a higher vibrating level because of our experiences and our ability to connect. And the spirit world is like the hummingbird. And so by the time the sloth in grief, which grief, anger, hatred are the lowest of vibrational energies we can be in. So in grief, by the time that sloth has the ability to turn because they're so slow in vibration, not frequency, but vibration and see that, that hummingbird moving, they've gone 60, 70 places or more. So they miss so much of it. So they tell me, why can't I see my child? And I try to explain that to them, that that's what's happening where the medium is not

vibrating in the grief, number one, and we've had some ability to learn how to connect in a different way on that frequency or that vibration. So they say to me, oh my, that makes so much sense to me. That makes so much sense. I understand now why I'm not seeing everything because they think they're not visiting them. And then they say, well, when I'm dreaming, why, why don't I see them all the time? And I said, if I told you that if you got in bed and fell asleep, that you would see your child or your husband or whoever it is, every time you'd never get out of bed.

So they're very selective when they come. So, and there's, that's the reason it's not because they don't love them. It's not because they don't want to share with them or talk to them. It's because they have to be selective or we would never, you know, even if I just said, if every time you sit in that spot, you'd never get up, you'd want to be with them, you know, so they, they have to select in order for us to continue doing life. And I love the sloth and the butterfly and the hummingbird. So true. I love how you can learn through nature in this way.

Nature is like such a great teacher and animals. When I lost my dad, it was right before Father's Day. And I was like, oh, Father's Day sucks from now on. You know, sorry, you know, to my now on you know sorry you know to my partner you know but my oldest daughter calls me outside to the backyard and I'm like okay so I got there there was a swarm a swarm like hundreds of dragonflies in my backyard I mean they were landing on us touching us hitting us I mean it was the landing on us, touching us, hitting us. I mean, it was the most magical thing I've ever experienced before. And we were laughing and dancing around them.

And it was, I mean, my daughter ended up even getting a tattoo of a dragonfly because it was like such an amazing experience. And, and actually, so the dragonfly I ended up finding out is a representation of death. You probably know this. And I bought a book for my daughter, my youngest, and it was about how the dragonfly is in the water, inside the water, when it's just born or whatever. And as you become, you know, ready to become a dragonfly, you, you know, you go up to the surface towards the light. And the little dragonfly says, when you go up there to his friend, come back down and tell us, you know, what's going on. You know, why is everyone going up there and not coming back? And that one goes up there and sees the light and gets its wings and flies, you know,

and sees everybody else they've been missing and doesn't want to go back down even to tell his friend, you know, he's like, he'll get here eventually. We'll just wait for him. But I loved how there was this connection. People in many cultures have stories of, you know, watching nature and learning from nature about transition. Yes. Yes. And you know, I think that nature is our greatest gift. It truly is. Everything about it. I mean, how many times do you walk? You know, I asked my students the other night, this is truth. Okay. I asked my students the other night, this is truth. Okay. I asked my students the other night, what color were the flowers when you were walking up to my office?

Not one of them could answer. Wow. That's how much we bypass nature, you know? And so when we left, they all wanted to look and they got a moment of just being in it just for a moment because they were all so shocked that they didn't know the answer. They started guessing. So when you think about the power of our minds and where we go and what we don't appreciate and put time into, and then look at what we do put time into, which is making the money and whatever it is, whatever it is. We're missing so much of that

beautiful nature that was given to us for peace and excitement and even compassion. We see a little creature that is in trouble, but we walk past it because it might not be the creature we want to help, that kind of thing. Or we don't even note it. You know, we just keep walking and we're not present in the now. And this is why another reason why the spirit world doesn't have the ability to connect into everyone the way that they want them to. If you're not present, you know, my little, another little saying, life is in session, be present. Right? And so when you're not present, you're missing everything. And it's so hard in this world to be present because we're running and we're doing and we're, we're doing, we're doing, we're doing,

and we're trying, we're trying, we're trying instead of just breathing and being there. So we miss so much of nature is my point. So much. You're so, I mean, I just discovered nature, you know, about a decade ago when I became present. And now it is like a present because I feel like it's almost two different worlds. So I'm in this house and I'm busy and I'm doing the things and cleaning. And then when I have to take my dogs outside, everything shifts. And it's like, I leave

all of that. It's just that we have been trained to have a lack of presence in what we've been given. And when people are in deep grief, I tell them, you know, nature is your friend, being out in nature and experiencing beauty. And they're, they have trouble getting, you know, moving and, and they're in slow-mo basically. And, you know, I tell them, just give it a minute. And when you feel that darkness, step outside, I don't care if you're in your jammies, step outside and just breathe. And it does help them because it offers us so much, you know, it spikes our senses, all of our senses. Right. All of the elements, you know, you start to connect with all of it. Gosh, it's so true. It's so beautiful.

I want to go in the backyard. I know. I want to make it look pretty. The colors, you know? Yeah. Exactly. You know, over COVID, I did something I've never done before. So when my little one was in, I think, kindergarten for Mother's Day or whatever, she brought me home this little card and inside was like one of those little packets of sunflowers, like the giant ones.

So I planted them along the back fence, but I never let them grow. Like when they would start growing, I saw them as weeds and, you know, I'd have them pull them or mow over them or whatever. Well, during COVID, for whatever reason, I guess because we weren't having a lot going on, I let them grow. I let them go. I mean, you would not imagine the beauty. And the yellow birds. I've never had bright yellow birds before. There were bright yellow birds all over my backyard.

It was, now I didn't do it last year or the year before. I went back on my word only because they take over. That's the goal, right? Is to let go and allow in some way. So you've got a good lesson in that you know i'd be alive on this planet 65 years over that time just the evolution of learning and recreating ourselves over and over so that we can be better and be more has been extremely empowering but it's such a gift that you have and And how long have you been doing it?

Close to, well, I've been doing it my whole life. Yes. And sure. You know, if I'm honest. Yes. Yes. But I think I don't keep count, but it's close to 20 some years that I've stepped out of doing grief and addiction, although I'm back into doing grief work because it does intertwine, you know,

doing grief therapy and mediumship. But, you know, I think people think that we walk around and hear spirits all the time and we're, you know, tapping into everyone. And that's not true either. You know, I do life and, you know, depending upon the circumstances and where I am and what I'm doing, you know, I allow, it's kind of a dial. We turn up and down. We learned to do that when I was little, I didn't know how. So it was just, you know, chaotic chaos, you know, that's what it was. And, you know, as you get older, you learn to manage that by twisting that dial. So when you're in a live event, obviously you've got a way up as high as you can get it. You know, people say, do you see some, I'll go somewhere and they go, do you see someone around me? And I go, that doesn't work that way. You know, that, that I, I just tap in whenever I'm anywhere because I'm having a human experience and I want that human

experience. When I'm up here for too long in that vibration, I get exhausted. And most people say to me, you know, they get revitalized and I used to, but when I allow it to be so strong at all times, and I'm trying to live my human life, it's very exhausting to push it away and push it away. So I've learned to turn that down and it's empowered me. But, you know, having the experience I had as a child, I think when I came back, I just, I couldn't, I couldn't control it at all. Not at all. And I had to go to teachers to learn to not be in that space 24 seven. I tell people, you know, I'm half in, I'm half out all the time. I'm always in that space where I could just pop. Yeah. I could just pop. Right. So it's a constant need to ground myself back into this earth or ground myself into that vibration. So, you's happening a lot, I'll be like, listen, dude, I'm too busy for this. That's not my work. You need to go down the street. I know a medium down

the street you can go see. I'm like, I'm not your girl. Yeah. But when you say that, it's so funny to me because you just said, I'm not a medium, but here you are getting mediumistic information. So we all are in some ways, it's just a matter of, are we going to utilize it in this lifetime? And that's a choice. Truly it is. We may have different boundaries. Absolutely. Absolutely. If I just let it arise, you know, that it would be maybe disturbing in my life. I don't have time for this. Everyone needs to clear out. I have to be in my space right now. I get it. Cause that's me too. I'm like, I don't have time for this. Everybody needs to clear out. I have to be in my space right now. I get it. Cause that's me too. I'm like, I don't have time right now. You know, please stop talking. You know, I need to concentrate. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's a lot

of stress to be a medium. Honestly, I think that we have such a huge responsibility. And I, I know for me, I take it so seriously and, and to let someone down that's coming would be horrifying to me that they would leave not knowing that the spirit world exists because that's part of my job to let them know, to teach them. And then I say, well, you know, if it's not as perfect as I want it to be, I have to remind myself that they know exactly what that person needs to hear that, you know, my humanness goes, no, no, I need to do better. And I'm one of those. I want to read at, you know, 99%, not 50% so that if I'm not well, I don't get sleep, et cetera. I can get to that 50% easily. So, you know, I can, if my energy is low that day or whatever, cause I'm having a human experience. And so I'm not always at the peak of my energy. And so, you know, my goal is always to be way up here. So it puts a lot of pressure on me. And I'm learning, you know, over all these years because the people that I read that I think that was not as good as

it should have been and I feel like I didn't give them what they need they're the ones that usually write in my yelp or they or they call me or they send me a letter saying it was the best experience of their life and I think well I really don't know what they need to hear that's not my job my job is to deliver the mail not open it and when I realized that my job is just to deliver and that they get what they need, I calm down or I relax in my reading instead of that pressure. So as I teach people, I have to also teach myself on a daily basis to take care of me in that way. So mediums, you know, we have a lot to accomplish, but we have a lot to look at and to not allow ourselves to slide into the, I'm not good enough. I screwed up. I missed that sign, you know, things like that. And just let it be what it is,

because those are usually the reader, the reads that are the best. I agree. I have dreams that I'm just figuring out from like five years ago. Like you never know what those messages might be. And I feel like synchronicity is one of my greatest strengths, but then what, what is that? That's just presence. Exactly. I love that. That was so good. You're a hundred percent right. That's what it is. It's being present in the moment and experiencing what we're doing now. Instead of me thinking about, I have more podcasts. I have four podcasts today, right? And I could be there. I could be there and I I'm here. And that's the difference is I could be thinking about what's the next person

going to ask me? Am I going to be too difference is I could be thinking about what's the next person going to ask me? Am I going to be too tired? I could be in all those spaces and instead being present with the now with you getting to experience you, which you're lovely, by the way, you know, getting to be in that space and, and, and the, in the now is so important. Yeah. There's magic there. Total magic there.

Yes. So infinite life, infinite lessons. Yeah. So how many books do you have? I have an ebook that I give away for free. And that is, they go to my website, which is susangraw.com. It's with a U and they can go to the landing page. They'll see pre-order the book, basically. They don't have to necessarily order the book, but they can go to that landing page and they put in their email and they can get those free downloads of my ebook, which is really, really good. It's all about teaching and learning what that is to tap into your intuition, your mediumistic abilities and all of that, and how to understand your journey. And then I have my book, Infinite Life, Infinite Lessons, and that's wisdom from the spirit

world on living, dying, and the in-between. And it was written by spirit, I have no doubt. I never considered myself a writer. And one day I was, well, years ago, I heard you're going to write a book and I laughed. I literally laughed. And then one day I was at the peak of my career where I was so busy, I couldn't even breathe. And that was just, you know, a couple of years ago, actually, that I was just inundated with, you know, readings. And I heard you need to stop everything and write a book. And I thought you're insane. And then I heard it again and again. And

so I called my people and said, I have to stop everything and write a book. And they go, what? And I said, I can't tell you why. And then it just started flowing from me. And within six months, I had a book. And within two months after that, I was sold to Hay House. Just unbelievable how it unfolded. And now I'm on my second book. And while I call it my third, if I go on my second book. So, and where I call it my third, if I, if I go with my ebook,

anyone who pre-orders gets a meditation download, gets my ebook. And then also I'm doing 13 once a month chat, all the 13 chapters I'll be doing on a zoom for those people that pre-order. So they get to come on live with me and walk through that chapter for 13 months. Oh, I love that. Yeah. When are you starting that? It will start August because the book comes out July 16th. So I give them some time to read, but it is pre-order.

And the reason I did that was not just to get pre-orders, but the reason I did that is because I don't think I could handle 50,000 people on a Zoom or however many people buy the book when it comes out. So I had to limit it somehow so that questions could be asked, et cetera. So I'm really excited about it. And I have to share this with you because it's so cool. I just found out last night that my documentary that I was in is being put up for an award with the Beverly Hills Film Festival. And we're going to get to go to Gromlin's. So I think this is so cool. I always thought it was Gromlin Theater, Chinese theater. And it's raw, spelling just like mine, man's. Yes. No way. I just saw that last night. I don't know what it means. It's my husband's last name.

Is it your maiden name? Oh, it's your husband's? No. Yes. I just found it out last night. So we get to go to the theater and be part of that. How wonderful. And it's called Beyond the Grave. And I never talk about it. Dr. Eben Alexander's in it and I'm in it. And I'm in the last 16 or 17 minutes and I do readings. And we were out in the desert and it was really, really hot. And I was, oh, I looked horrible. And I thought that would be the documentary that ends up on screen. Yeah. There's my ego. It's like, it doesn't matter how good I read. I looked horrible. Oh, you are so beautiful. Oh, thank you so much. Congratulations. That's awesome. That's so fun. Yeah, I've had on Kevin.

He's great. Not for a few years, but my best friend used to podcast with me and she's had three near death experiences and his book was her go-to book. Yeah. Yeah. Well, to have a neuroscientist actually say that he experienced the afterlife is a big, huge leap for us. And I think it put us in a different category in some way, not just mediums, but NDEers. You know, I think

that people, you know, people say to me, prove to me that there's an afterlife. And I tell them, prove to me there's not. And then I'll prove to you there is. I like that. You have so many good little things like that. I do. They're in my book, all of them. I was going to you there is. I like that. You have so many good little things like that. I do. They're in my book, all of them. I was going to say, I could like quote you, quote, quote, quote, quote, all over. Little quote. Thanks, Susan. You're so, you know what?

I feel so uplifted right now. You have such a great energy. You do remind me of butterfly. Thank you. That energy that just feels yummy. So thank you so much you have the same so it's probably why you know sometimes you get on a podcast and the person's different and it's harder you know but thank you that means a lot to me well thank you so much it's so nice to meet you

take care of you all right you too thank you bye You too. Thank you. Bye. Thanks for listening to Sense of Soul Podcast. And thanks to our special guests for joining me. If you want more of Sense of Soul, check out my website at www.mysenseofsoul.com, where you can work with me one-on-one or help support Sons of Soul Podcast by donating to my coffee fund. Thanks for listening.