Sense of Soul - Spiritual Development and Healing through Energetic NLP with Art Giser

Episode Date: September 25, 2023

Today on Sense of Soul podcast we have Art Giser, he is the creator of Energetic NLP, he is a NLP trainer, a medical researcher, healer, intuitive, a leadership and team specialist for major corporations; he has four decades studying psychic development, plus energetic and spiritual healing. Art has been blessed to receive two empowerments directly from the Dalai Lama of Tibet (including one to increase his ability to heal others). Art has clients throughout the world and regularly runs intensives, retreats, online seminars and personalized trainings.
 His students use Energetic NLP in the helping professions, as leaders in business to bring out the best in themselves and others, in their personal lives, and “just” for their own personal and spiritual development. With a diverse background, Art has over 39 years experience in and study of NLP, science, psychic development, and energetic and spiritual healing. For eleven years he managed a research lab in reproductive endocrinology at the University of California, San Francisco Medical School. As an executive coach he who works with some of the world’s largest companies to develop leaders and highly collaborative and high performing teams.Infamous for his innate sense of fun, he created Energetic NLP to provide rapid, easy and powerful ways for people to unleash themselves – ways for them to let go of limiting beliefs and old energetic programming which no longer serves so as to unleash their Miraculous Self! Visit: www.energeticnlp.com Sign up to experience Art’s amazing and powerful videos with exercises that are life changing www.blockbuster7.com. Also join Sunday sessions at www.changetheworldfromyourlivingroom.com Learn more about Sense of Soul Podcast: https://www.senseofsoulpodcast.com Check out the NEW affiliate deals! https://www.mysenseofsoul.com/sense-of-soul-affiliates-page Follow Sense of Soul on Patreon, and join to get ad free episodes, circles, mini series and more! https://www.patreon.com/senseofsoul Follow Sense of Soul on Social Media! https://www.mysenseofsoul.com/sos-links SONG Arthur's Theme (Best That You... ARTIST: Christopher Cross ALBUM Arthur's Theme (Best That You.. LICENSES WMG (on behalf of Rhino Warner); LatinAutorPerf, CMRRA, BMI - Broadcast Music Inc., ASCAP, LatinAutor - Warner Chappell, UNIAO BRASILEIRA DE EDITORS DE MUSICA - UBEM, UMPI, UMPG Publishing, LatinAutor - UMPG, PEDL, and 14 Music Rights Societies           ·       

Hello, my soul-seeking friends. It's Shanna. Thank you so much for listening to Sense of Soul podcast, enlightening conversations with like-minded souls from around the world, sharing their journey of finding their light within, turning pain into purpose, and awakening to their true sense of soul. If you like what you hear, show me some love and rate, like, and subscribe. And consider becoming a Sense of Soul Patreon member, where you will get ad-free episodes, monthly circles, and much more. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken.

Hey listeners, if you haven't checked out one of Sense of Soul's sacred circles, I invite you to go to Sense of Soul Patreon and check out when the next circle is, a safe space to connect and an opportunity to support and feel supported with other like-minded souls. So hope to see you there. And for today's episode, I have Art Geiser. He's an NLP trainer, a medical researcher, a healer, intuitive, a leadership and team specialist for major corporations, and has had four decades studying psychic development plus energetic and spiritual healing. Art has been blessed to receive two empowerments directly from the Dalai Lama of Tibet, including one to increase his ability to heal others. He is the creator of Energetic NLP, which combines the best of neuro-linguistic programming, energy healing, intuition, and spiritual transformation. Through studying with

developers of NLP and prominent spiritual leaders, Art has continued to develop energetic NLP to the wonderful field that it is today. This system has simple tools and techniques that allow you to clear and develop your energy field to promote personal development on all levels. In addition, you can use the tools to do energy healing for others to unleash their miraculous self. And it is my honor to have Art with us today. And I look forward to this conversation. Nice to meet you, Art. How's it going?

Great to see you. How are you doing? Great, great. I was just, ever heard of Lilydale? No. It's this old spiritualist community, like 150 years old in West Buffalo in New York. And I taught a workshop there last Friday and then hung out and there were healings every morning and meditations and in great energies and a little late. It's like summer

camp is a little lake of woods. Oh, nice. I like that. I live in Colorado and I haven't really made it to the east very much. I'd like to eventually. I live in California, mainly in the Hollywood Hills, LA, but part-time San Francisco. Visiting my niece and great-nephews in Rhode Island. So up in the attic. I'm actually in my daughter's bedroom right now, which she's got guinea pigs. They keep running around. Hopefully we won't hear them. One of the places I studied psychic development, it was pretty noisy. And at first it annoyed me and they never said this, but I realized part of what they were teaching us is it didn't have to be pristine. You

didn't have to be sitting by a waterfall. Yeah. You know, I do readings for people at airports and, you know, you know, just realizing like, you know, yeah, it's great if it's pristine, but to think you need it is a limitation, you know. I absolutely agree with you. And I think some of my favorite conversation has been in the middle of chaos. I was just listening to you with Neil Dama Walsh and a couple of other podcasts. So I love your style and philosophy and everything. Same. I feel the same way, Art.

Thank you for joining me. I really appreciate you coming on. I look forward to talking you know, talking about energetic NLP. So how did you get to where you are, Art? When I was a kid, I was interested in two things. One, to be a scientist when I grew up, but the other was, I just knew there were all these powers of the unconscious mind and ESP. I knew all that. I just knew it was real. In fact, in elementary school, I would hypnotize friends and cousins. And my mom tells me we were in the library and I wanted to check out a book on hypnosis. I was really young, so the librarian wouldn't let me check it out.

So my mom checked it out for me. And she said the librarian gave her this, you're a terrible mother, look. Wow. So you've been a seeker like your whole life, basically. Yeah. But then I never went deep. I was interested a little bit in Hinduism and Buddhism at a time. And even I did a little yoga in elementary school, but I never I never went deep with anything. But I just was fascinated by these different kinds of ways of thinking. And then I became a medical researcher, health science researcher for many years, and then discovered NLP and really got into energy work and healing. And you were lots of paths, you studied lots of things. So did you have like a

rooted religion that you were connected to? Well, my parents had been raised Orthodox Jews, but they raised us as Reformed Jews. My father had a very, like, natural spirituality, like in World War II in the Pacific. Even though he was in the Navy, they assigned him to the Marines, who were very redneck and didn't like Jews. But he ended up leading the group. He was their spiritual leader. He'd lead them in prayers and stuff. Because there was just something about him that was a very deep kind of natural spirituality. Not that I think he ever studied anything other than Judaism. But he just had a deep connection to spirit.

And he was one of the early computer, mainframe computer guys. Maybe partially why I wanted to be a scientist when I grew up, you know. Wow. So so you were aware of technology probably earlier than a lot of people then? Oh, yeah. When people didn't know what the word meant. And I was the bug rat when they took up rooms and was under the floor, you know, back in the 50s, you know, and we went toia because he they taught him electronics for in the military radar and stuff and somehow he got hired to run the second or third commercial mainframe computer and so we went to california to do that wow so what's your what's your thoughts on ai then now um well i i i love it on one level i'm aware you know it's like any well i compare it to nlp like sometimes people go well nlp isn't that all about power and manipulation and i go

well no more than any other powerful no more than spirituality psychology medicine you go that's not what it's about you can use it that way so mean, there's some amazing things about AI and it's scary too. Yeah. Yeah. Because I guess it's just the uncertainty is what's scary. Yeah. You know, it's sort of ultimately, you know, more and more and more what's possible, but it's amazing now. I mean, I can even ask it like what's possible but it's amazing now i mean i can even ask it like what's art geyser's philosophy and it comes up with it's pretty darn good you know i've actually argued with it in one really yeah yeah so i thought that it was one of my first conversations and i was like no you, I kind of went back and forth and had to have it find the information to see

where I was going. Yeah. You can upload data, you can put in conditions and stuff, and then you get a lot better results. Actually I've taken courses on it and I'm learning and you know, where I really like it is when I'm writing now sometimes you just go I don't like the way I've written this but I don't know how else to say it I can put it in AI and go write this 20 different ways you know I may not like anything it does but I go oh I didn't think of that angle and those words and you know yeah I should have had it to go I know see so I had made a mini-series on my journey of Pista

Sophia like learning about you know this Gnostic Gospels that I'd you've never heard of it was so foreign to me and it took me on this journey and so it was it's a private mini-series and it has like 15 or 16 short episodes well the people who I'd send it to were like, you got to make this into a book. And so I thought, okay. So I transcribed it first. I'm running it through now, the AI, and it's still my words, my theories, my ideas. But like you said, it helps structure it a little bit better. Oh, yeah.

And tell it what perspective to have. Yes. I love that. And, you know, I am very casual. And so that was kind of the one thing is as I was writing, I was like, you know, I don't want to write like some scholar. I'm not like that. Like, I'm just casual. And literally these things that happened to me

in my discovery came so divine and uniquely just for me. Yeah, and with some of the AI, you can upload some of your stuff and go learn my style and then write it in my style. Oh, that's smart. I mean, it's amazing what it can do. And images too. I mean, you's amazing what it can do in images, too. I mean, you can create some really great images with it.

All right. Well, I'm going to play. So I love that you have like this tech side of you and still love for, you know, science and for spirituality and your seeker as well. You know, I was a corporate consultant for me. I still do a little bit with leaders and teams. And I actually have even worked on a number of like pharmaceutical companies, which is a trip is a healer. Wow. Yeah. I hope you spread some healing also on top of whatever consulting you were doing. Yeah. Oh yeah. Everything I do is permission based, but it doesn't have to be conscious. Yeah. And of course it's not action if they get me so I do a lot of energy work with them and

every now and then somebody during a break will go I know what you would do you'll get someone awakened that'll be like hey wait a minute this is my consultant here well I love that you know and I don't know if you know anything about me, you know, about my ancestral journey, but when I saw that, that you even had, you've even taught courses or have some sort of course on that, that's a huge part of my journey. And I actually have a program as well. It's a little bit different because it's more of, work on their tree on their actual tree and I do the history that's like fun for me I've gotten really good at it I've probably done like I don't know I used to say 100 trees but we've gone way over 100 now so how it started was with my own tree

so I spent six years working on my tree wow and my ancestry and through my DNA and on my mom's side, I'm French Creole. And then on my dad's side, Czechoslovakian Jewish. And so having both sides and understanding that, wow, I have a lot of trauma going on in my genes that it was hidden purposely. If these things are within me, and their stories have never even been acknowledged, you know, how much of this is living out in my daily life? You know, how much is this also passed down to my children? And who's going to be the one? And if you remember, Madeline Albright, she was the Secretary of State. And it turned out, she didn't realize her family had been Jewish. And then during the Holocaust, they converted and hid and everything. And nobody

in the family even talked about it. She didn't even know somebody found it and let her know. You're like, I had no idea either. None. And I have a great percentage of Jewish. And I also have a great percentage of African American. I didn't't know but I was the one to receive it because here I am in Colorado we're the only family that left the south and so I have a different upbringing and I just didn't find it was like I was I was the only one to receive this the whole ancestor thing it's so amazing when people are finding out that you know that they didn't have a clue about let me tell you something very interesting is that something started to happen within me and actually i didn't even seek this to happen but i started to desire the need to know more about Jewish mysticism, especially. And I have learned more from rabbis about Christian religion than I did ever 40 years in Christianity.

Well, you were raised Catholic, right? Right. Yeah. It's very interesting. And so I love, actually, I talk to a rabbi often, and I want to do a segment called Drashing with a Rabbi. It's some of my most favorite conversations. Interesting.

And it's great when you realize you can embrace all this as your ancestry. I mean, on one level, everything's our ancestry, but it's neat to have that neat, that realizes a strong connection to all this variety. Right. Yeah. And it made me who I am. It's living in my DNA. And, you know, now at this point, I would say after all the work I've done, I'm really living off of the strength of the foundation of that. And that is what actually pushed me over the threshold to be able to receive inner wisdom. That's really fantastic. So tell me how you got there when you started to figure out that there was something deep within us that we needed to acknowledge. I don't remember what age it started, but I just knew that our unconscious minds had all these abilities that were miraculous.

I knew that things like, you know, extrasensory perception, I just knew all of that was real. And I never thought about it. I just sort of knew it. But what kind of held me back for a while was, you know, the old idea that you're either born with these gifts or you weren't, you know. Yeah. with these gifts or you weren't you know yeah and so I was uh well the hypnosis and stuff in the unconscious mind I explored but the the whole extrasensory perception in that part I was kind of afraid to explore because I was afraid I'd find out I wasn't one of those special people and then you know when I started studying and I realized I was one of those special people

then I realized that I wasn't one of those special people because everybody was one of those special people. You know, and then, sure, you know, it's like anything else. People come in with certain proclivities. But, you know, I always tell my students, anybody who wants to learn to do healing, energy work, psychic phenomena, channeling, any of that, anybody can learn to do it because they're all

human abilities. It's not everybody's path. It's not everybody's interest. But this whole like, oh, the special people is just nonsense. Yeah. You know, that came up for me recently too. When I looked at saints, I was studying some of the saints only because they kept popping up along my journey, even St. Sophia cathedrals in the middle of Kiev, you know, and, you know, my journey with Sophia and most people were like, well, who the hell is St. Sophia? Who's Sophia? And actually there was no evidence of a Sophia. And so I was, I was doing, you know, his, you know, some history on saints. And I found I'm like, we all have these abilities and these. Some of it's just decency to be able to be sainted.

You know, why is it just special for, you know, those who have been named saints? It was funny when I was little, one time I said to my father, I go, how come there aren't prophets? You know, there's prophets in father I go how come there aren't prophets you know there's prophets in the bible how come the prophets aren't prophets anymore and he gave me a great answer he said well there's people who say that they're prophets I went oh okay I thought that same thing I've pondered on that and just thought well did God just stop talking to us yeah right or did we just stop listening? Yeah. But that answer really worked for me because I understood what he was saying.

It's like, there may be, you know, that was all I kind of needed to know. Like, okay, you know. The other thing I asked him one time is, why would God care if we worshiped him or not? That's a good question. And then he just went, well, that's a good question. And he just kind of left me with it. But that worked for me, because it was like, you know, just validating that it was a legitimate question was all I needed. So I know my journey, like synchronicities have led me, you know, well, first, I would say I had to obtain awareness first. But once I found awareness, it was hard to not be aware. And then

in that space, there was all these synchronicities that were obviously the definition to good to be coincidences. And I followed them because they were divine to me. They felt divine that I was like, is this angel sending me this? Is it God? What is this? And then recently it shifted to, I believe it's maybe my higher consciousness, maybe a future self. Like I've come to give myself more credit than outside of me. Well, in all of my programs, that's one of the goals is to have more and more delightful synchronicities. And on a lot of levels, I think everything's synchronistic, you know, period. And like you, when people go, where do they come from? I think they can come from a lot of different

sources. And, you know, and even going, where do they come from, sort of presupposes that we're not all interconnected. if we're all interconnected and include spirits guides angels god you know deities then you know it doesn't even totally make sense to go which one did it come from but what i really like and what you said is i think we always are participants you know it's not happening to us. We're co-creating it. And I can tell you a real funny synchronicity. And in my programs, if people get too serious, sometimes I'll start singing children's songs. And of course, they look at me like I'm nuts and they get into it. And one of my favorites is Old MacDonald because I like making the animal noises.

And when i'm teaching to do healings and readings and stuff if they're serious they don't do anywhere near as well as i go let's just play with this and then they their ability skyrocket but you know in old mcdonald's the course is eieio and i've taught a lot and i used to go to london like five times a year to teach for a few weeks each time so i have a a whole community in London. And I was walking with one of my students who'd become a close friend. And she and I are walking at night in London. And this woman is pushing this baby carriage. And the baby's completely silent. When they come even with us, the baby goes, e-i-e-i-o. And not another word. We're kind, looking like, do we know you? Right? It was just right

when he was next to us. And then I love that. Well, you know, when you asked me how I got into all this, it was everything about it was incredibly synchronistic. I went to a lecture on intuition. And here I was managing this research lab for University of California in San Francisco. And I was proud of the work we were doing. We were studying the effects, how the changes in estrogen and progesterone in a woman's body during pregnancy, how that was causing different effects in the body. And nowadays you would call it epigenetic research, but that was a new thing back then. And I went to a talk and, but I was stuck. You know, I was proud of what we were doing, but you know,

how like that feeling like I, this isn't what I should be doing, but I had no idea what, what I should be doing. And I'd always had a belief that something was just going to appear, but, you know, the years were going on. I'm thinking, well, maybe I'm just kidding myself. And I went to this talk on intuition. And during the break, I went out in the hallway, and there was a bulletin board with flyers on it. And I read the words neuro linguistic programming. And when I read them, it literally felt like a bolt of lightning hit me on top of the head went straight down my midline.

And it felt like, boom. And the scientist in me was going, what was that? And the mystic in me was going, well, it was a sign. What do you think it was? So I walked back in the room and I'm kind of stunned. They had a table where they were selling books on intuition. So I'm looking at it and all the books are on intuition except for one. And I look at that one book and it's on neural and whiskey programming and I went okay so I bought the book and then everything about that and through NLP because I was studying in Marin County north of San Francisco where you know if you throw a rock you'll hit an astrologer a yoga teacher a psychic so people started teaching me things and introducing me to my first teachers. And then everything just sort of took off from that. But you had to follow the

breadcrumbs. Yeah. But even there, everything would be like this woman went, oh, this psychic, incredible psychic, Lynn Martin and his wife, Stacey, and she's great too. They're going to be teaching a workshop next weekend, but we're just inviting people over on Wednesday and they're going to do readings and you know things like that would happen and he became my first real teacher and uh you know just things just the whole time so you know discovering that you had this gift you know that you discovered that everyone does have there's a lot of like learning how to trust yourself, you know, which does go back kind of to what we're talking about, about those patterns that are in your ancestry, you know, them and handed down, you know, one generation after the

other, you know, I mean, I didn't come into those, into this body, not trusting myself, but yet there was something that I learned as I grew up and watched. And actually I heard something that you said somewhere and something I was listening to you and where you said this even begins when you're in the womb. Yeah. Cause you start absorbing energies from your parents and other people when you're in the womb, partially because you love them and you're trying to heal them. And partially because if the giants are in trouble when you're in the womb, partially because you love them and you're trying to heal them and partially because if the giants are in trouble, you're in trouble. So you start absorbing their emotional energies, but also they don't know it, but they're programmed to program

their children. Even if you never met your father or mother, they were still programming you. And of course, if you have step parents and stuff, every parent's programming their children outside of their awareness, which is a good thing to a point, because every child needs to know the rules of whatever family society they're born into. But for people who'd be, you know, watching your podcast, there are people that want to be authentic, and they want to grow and evolve. And so we need to keep releasing the old programming and connecting more with the information from our spirit and from our deep inner human wisdom and by the way in my programs I make people take a pledge that they're

not going to believe what I tell them they do that they laugh I ham it up to I make them raise their right hand and I go I'm serious. And I made up a term beliefs du jour, like soup du jour. And I go, I don't believe what I'm telling you. This is what I think today. Hopefully, better to say that I want you to consider what I'm saying and use it as a way to connect to the information from your own spirit and from your deep inner human wisdom, which will be better than what any teacher can ever tell you. So, you know, this all comes back to what you said about trusting yourself. Not 100% trusting ourselves, to me, is a good thing. Because every thought in

our head, or even if you're channeling it, doesn't mean it's true or right. There are always levels of understanding that are working with the level of our own development and understanding and knowledge. So if you think of the ancients, you know, you were talking before about ancient knowledge, they had to explain, like, what are the stars? They had to explain things based on information. Yeah. So I think we get presented things in ways that we can deal with at that time. But as soon as we think we have the absolute truth, that's when we get in trouble. Neil Donald Walsh, I think in the interview, kind of addressed that too, that people don't question their own spiritual and religious beliefs.

And to me, a little doubt's a good thing. And when I teach people how to read other people's energy, they get all worried that, am I going to tell them the truth? And I always go, no, you're going to tell them what you perceive and the way you interpret it. And if you tell them it that way, you never hurt anybody. You know, if you go, this is what I perceive, this is how I make sense of it. And if you tell them it that way, you never hurt anybody. You know, if you go, this is what I perceive, this is how I make sense of it, because you're always putting control back to them, you know, and honoring that, like, I'm just telling you what I get. And when you do it from that level, it's always helpful. And sometimes you are like

completely spot on. But even if you aren't, if you do it from that level, and like I say, every psychic, every channeler pollutes the information. You can't help it because it filters. In fact, I used to go to a spiritual center in Brazil a lot. And a friend of mine, an American who lived near there, she ended up building a house next to hers and she'd rent it out. And my friend had helped design the house and stuff. So we could always stay there whenever it was always like ours when we wanted it. And so her cats knew me really well. And I liked the belief that we're here to learn and grow. And every now and then I'd meditate and I'd go, is that why we're here? And I'd always get the same answer, which is no, but that works for you. And then, you know, a few months later, I'd meditate on, are we here to learn and grow? And I'd always hear no, but that works for

you. So I'm sitting outside in Brazil, and I'm reading a book, and one of the cats is by my feet. And for some reason, I thought of it again. And I got the same answer, no, but that works for you. And I went, well, why are we we here and I felt compelled to look at the cat and a voice in my head said we could as easily tell you what you're doing here as you could tell that cat while you're reading a book so learn and grow works for you that's fine that sums up my philosophy is I think we we get information at a level we can handle it stretches us I don't think anything I get is like the ultimate truth. It's like when I teach people to work with chakras,

it's useful that, you know, like they look like little spinning vortexes and stuff. I think all of that's a useful fiction. It's like when I look at some of the chakras, it's dynamic and multidimensional. But that's kind of hard to deal with. So I was just going to go okay show it to me like a spinning wheel or a vortex but but you know you get what i'm saying that

i think it's important to have a little bit of doubt well here's how i think of it now there's so many well-meaning people that i i hear on podcasts and stuff and they're always like this is the truth you know as if they're coming down from Mount Sinai with the tablets. And it's kind of like, no, these are great ideas. It's not the truth to me. I found myself as I was along my Reiki journey, putting myself back in a Reiki box. And so I had to kind of, even though I still teach it as a foundational practice, I think it's wonderful, you know, to be able to teach people about their energetic

systems. But I always say, make this your own, you know, this is a foundation, you know, but I had to pull myself back out. I said, I just got out of a box. And then I put myself back into a new one. Hey listeners, did you know that Sense of Soul has a network of lightworkers affiliates program? Now you get to work with one of our inspiring guests. And I'd like to introduce you to one of our affiliates. Hey listeners, this is Jennifer from the Soul Experience and host of the podcast, The Soul Traveler. I'm here to tell you about the most profound method of inner work that somebody can do while on a spiritual path it's called quantum healing hypnosis in a single session you will revisit your past lives your subconscious will come forward to scan your body looking for blocked emotions and health concerns and then your higher

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on your spiritual journey, then visit me online at thesoulexperiences.com and be sure to mention that Shanna from Sense of Soul referred to you. You can also go to mysenseofsoul.com and in the menu, look for the Network of Lightworkers. Now back to our amazing guest. So yesterday, I want to share this. My daughter, six months ago, got this big loft bed and I put it together for

her. It was back in April and I had a nice desk underneath and it was quite high. It had stairs. It took me like two days to put together. It was exhausting and it was expensive. And so she gets up there and right away I could see, oh, she's quite high to the ceiling. And, you know, she's like, I'm good. I'm good. Well, every storm that we've had, she's sleeping on the floor, you know, oftentimes she's sleeping. It hasn't worked out. So, and it was school coming. I knew she needed, she needs to get a good night's rest. I mean, this has kind of been an issue, although she doesn't want to come to me and admit this. So I finally said, it's okay.

I care about your sleep and your health rather than us just saying we made a mistake on this bed. So we got a new bed yesterday, took down the old one. It was exhausting. Six hours of taking down beds, putting back up new bed. And I took a break at one point. And I remember actually I said to her while I was buzzing us, I'm like, I don't know a lot of people, Kenz, that would go, her name's Kenzley, that would go through these lengths. I'm going through great lengths right now, physically, mentally, financially, and not that I was saying it to make her feel guilty. I was just really, truly feeling all of that in the moment I was sweating and exhausted. And, and then I took a break and I sat outside with my dogs, had to bring them out. And all of a sudden I was thinking, oh God, I was thinking, no one would ever do this for their kid am I enabling her and then all of a sudden it hit me my dad would have done this uh I he did do this he did this kind of stuff many times for me and and I and I didn't appreciate it and and now I appreciate it and it's too late

I wish I would have appreciated it when I was her age, almost. You know what I mean? He did this stuff time and time again for me. And I mean, big, big things. Like I remember one time I blew my engine. You put a new engine in. And like a few weeks later, I traded the car in, you know, and it was an Audi. So, I mean, just, you know, stuff like that. And then I, I just cried. And my daughter, she saw that I was crying. She's like, what's the matter? And she's 11 and she comforted me and she held me and, and she was like, well, you know, I appreciate you, mom.

And I just thought, well, we are evolving. But that's such a great lesson because, you know, after I was learning NLP and working with clients and hearing about people's childhoods, I was talking to my mom and I went, you know, there's so many things I've never thanked you for that were just normal to me you know now that I hear what a lot of people's lives were like it's like thank you thank you thank you you know yeah I think it's that you let her you know not not that guilty kind of you know like a you know like a comedy movie way but just kind of let her know because I mean I do wish I'd have known to appreciate more of that when I was young rather than thinking that's just normal yeah I think I was a spoiled brat actually but you know I you know I always look towards my mom who was that had that Southern hospitality who taught me,

not really was the model as who was her sisters, her mother. I admired them as mothers. They're, you know, such good mothers and they were martyrs. And I looked up to that. And of course, I've spent years shedding that and kind of finding strength in being nurturing again, because I almost became determined I wasn't going to be a martyr. So then I lost the softness in me. So I had to find the balance. I don't want to be a codependent, but that was part of my giving and loving.

And, you know, and so where's the balance? And so that's really been a lot of my journey over the past years. I can only imagine. And the other thing I like to, I don't have children. And often people ask me for like, you're not, but I mean, child rearing advice. And I always go, well, I don't have children, but you could try this. And almost always it won't work. And I always go, really?

Yeah. But one thing that's fascinating to me working with people is that no matter what you try to do as a parent, the child's always going to interpret it in their own unique way. And my favorite story around that is that one of my students had been like a very anxious, fearful single mother. And she goes, my daughter is a strong, independent woman. And she goes, so one time I asked her, like, how did you end up that way with me as your mother? And she goes, well, it was because of that gift you gave me on Christmas. And she's going, what? I may have the name wrong, but there's something like magic kitchen kind of some kind of thing like that, you know, for girls. And the mother had very little money, single mother.

But she finds one in a garage sale or something and gives it to the daughter. And the daughter is telling her. And when I got that, I knew anything was possible for me. And I laughed because I could, you know, it could have easily been, well, you ruined my life because then I thought everything happened magically. And so I've never, so I think it's important. I think it's wonderful that people like you are thinking about how to be a good parent. And I think it's just important to realize kids are going to interpret it however they do. And that we're all on our soul journey. I think parents can relax a little bit too. I mean, I think we went from the time when people didn't think about good parenting at all you know I thought you know you got to feed the kids take care of them you know um but not to the level like people now and that I think people can make themselves a little crazy for trying to be the right parent yeah and just I was like everybody comes in you know we're not blank slates people come in with their little personalities yeah more story about that I used to

like to ask men who consider themselves to be a good father or a bad father, you know, why they thought that. The bad fathers all had the same story. My father wasn't a good father. So, you know, I didn't have a good role model. The ones who thought they were good fathers were two camps. One, well, my father was a good father, so I had this good role model. But a lot of them, it was the opposite. My father was a terrible father, and I decided when I had kids, I was going to be a good father. So I'm just saying, each little soul is coming in with their own. You're so right.

I think that because they have kids from two different generations, the mother I was before is not the same mother who I am now. Like the mother before wanted my children to be all these things because the world says this is what a successful child looks like and you're going to make me look better. Right? That's where I was. And then now, you know, it's letting her lead me in how she's feeling and experiencing life. Everything that I do, even the decision about the bed, I felt into it. It was a feeling that I followed. It felt right to do it. And I did it.

I don't care if people want to judge me about buying my daughter two beds in six months. That's what we did. Well, I love both of those, both letting her co-create with you and that you're, you know, you're trusting your guidance and your feelings. And I'm laughing because right before this, I was talking with my niece, they live in Rhode Island, which is where I am right now. And we were talking about like the ordeal I hear it can be in there and like getting kids dressed for the snow. And then immediately they have to go to the bathroom, you know, all that stuff. And she goes, I'm talking about how one of them doesn't like wearing boots.

And she goes, honestly, a lot of days he'd be fine without them. But the other parents would judge me. Gone are the days for this one right here. Yeah. And I love that these younger generations that are coming in are less conditioned they just are when i was 17 i decided to take an ecology course and um uh the national science foundation had these uh courses at universities for high school students and i was admit i got to get into this one.

And they'd go, what are you doing this summer? Well, I'm taking a field ecology course. Eco what? And now I remember when my niece was five, she knew what ecology was. And I was like, you know, I mean, they're so aware. Yeah, they're so aware. I mean, Kinsley has taught me so much

I mean I this poor child has cried over you know like the willow project or you know different things and has schooled me on certain things that I could be you know recycling and you know and like yeah but teach me right I'm ignorant in a lot of that. My generation was happy to have chicken nuggets in a styrofoam box. I mean, it was great when those came out. And plastic. Yay. Oh, scary, scary stuff.

And becoming aware of, I think of yourself also expands so that's why I think it's so amazing with them because you know this has taken a decade just to become aware of what's in within me which then you can't help but to be aware what's around you yeah no I think you can criticize every generation criticize other generations but you know and they've got their things to work on. But I just think young people and kids nowadays are pretty amazing. I mean, it sounds like you are, too. I mean, taking an ecology class back then as a 17 year old, that's pretty amazing. I mean, do you know that i wanted to be a female pastor

at that age wow which you know is definitely outside of a box of growing up catholic way outside the box i was a little defiant part of what happened for me i happened to see this article that it was a really popular pesticide called ddt birds and stuff and they eventually banned it and i happened to see this article and they were finding ddt in the tissues of penguins in you know antarctic and you know i'm reading that thinking what you know it like, if it's in their tissues, what on earth is going on? And I was interested in science. So it's kind of like, you know, I could extrapolate and kind of go on these chemicals around that were just, you know,

and things happening that we need to learn about and get control of, you know, humanity's learning, you know, we didn't, you know, things were like, well, this is a wonderful thing. And it killed mosquitoes, you know, and at first, they didn't realize what it was. And of course, then you had people that didn't want to ban it, because they were making money. But before that, it was really well intentioned people. And I think there's so much demonization going on, not by people like you, but in general, nowadays, of people that think differently, and that it's important to appreciate that a lot of what people do had a reasonable intention underneath it. And in NLP and neuro-linguistic

programming, we talk about every action has under it some kind of positive intention if you go deep enough, even worst behaviors. And when you realize what that is, then you can connect with people on that level and then work with changing the behaviors. But as soon as we're deeming like they're bad, they're evil, they're this or that, then we just end up fighting one another. Yeah, you are right. Even those who have always been at war with each other, they're all just fighting for, you know, what they think is best, you know, from their perspective. But when it sounds like you're very good at reading people, I know for myself being an empath, the times where I was unaware when I was around people, like I was a massage therapist for years. I'd come home, I'd be massaging someone's hurt leg. Now my leg hurts or I'm around someone, they have jaw pain and now I have jaw pain and it

started to get stupid. I mean, I'm like, what am I crazy? You know? And then I realized, my gosh, I've been doing this since a kid with emotions. And then I had to learn to protect it now I see it as a gift you know how much of that that physical part of reading people is within your work yeah and actually I have whole programs just dealing with empathy you know being an empath I should say what's important and it's funny because it'sydale, the spiritual center I was at, there were a lot of good healers, and a lot of them were very overweight, which I don't have any judgment on that. But often in a healer, that's a sign that they're not clearing other people's energy out of their energy field. A lot of emotional energy gets stored, you know,

in the navel area and below, and people unconsciously put on weight to kind of buffer it because they don't know how to do it. And typically people do one or two things. They either, they often try to wall off the energies and there's ways to deal with it. What I was taught and what I believe is that everybody's the sovereign of their energy field. So somebody else's energy is staying stuck in you, it's hooking into something. Now there's a lot to hook into, it can be karma, spiritual contracts, conscious beliefs, unconscious beliefs, energetic programming, ancestral programming. And a lot of the people that would be attracted to your podcast, have been healers in other lifetimes or learned healing

systems here where the, the old fashioned way to heal people was you took on their stuff and healed it in your space. Healers are unhealthy because unless you're really, really good at that, you end up, like you said, you end up taking on their things.

And the more modern way to do healing is you don't use your own energy. And that was the other thing. And they're using their own energy. Yeah. So they're sending their energy. And this is what I was originally taught to send my life force to other people. And I was taking on their stuff.

So they were great. I was going down the toilet until people were able to teach me to do it differently. So what I teach them and how I was taught was you use earth and universal energies, not your own, in the healing. So like if you're healing me, the healing is going on in my space, not yours. Now, you may be getting a healing too, but it's your healing. My healing is happening over here. So one aspect of it is like helping people clear the programming that tells them the kind of martyrdom. I must take on your stuff. And people don't realize how glorified martyrdom is in our cultures. And sacrifice and martyrdom is wired in in and that kind of cousin of that

is punishment so i have a lot of programming about martyrdom sacrifice we should be punished because we were bad i mean you think about even santa claus you know if you're not a kid it isn't just that you don't get a gift you get get a lump of coal. You get humiliated. So it's just, and I'm not saying whether that was right or wrong for other parts of human history. But in the new age, people are going, yes, sometimes, you know, you're a mother. Sometimes you have to sacrifice. But we don't have to aim for sacrifice or glorify, we don't have to glorify martyrdom or punishment. And so when you start clearing that programming,

and clearing the belief that you have to take their stuff on and give you give away your own energy. That's a big part of what I teach people and, and working with karma and spiritual contracts so that they learn other ways to help people where you're not taking on their stuff. And once they have the beliefs and you can teach them different techniques. So, for instance, a lot of times people try to put up walls. And the problem with that is you've got walls. And you know what a lightning rod is. A lightning, you know, anybody might not know,

a lightning rod is a piece of metal you put on a house or a barn, and then you run a wire along the building into the earth. And that's so the lightning would hit the rod, and instead of going to the building, it goes around the building. Well, in a similar way, but the important thing there is you're not fighting the lightning. We all know what you resist persists. So you can imagine little symbols around you that are grounded into the earth and just set your intention and ask your spirit that when energies are coming towards you that aren't good for you, they go into the, like a little symbol or ball of energy, and they go into the earth. So you're not fighting them, you're redirecting it. In the same way, you can also go if I'm releasing energies that I don't want other people to have to deal with my emotional energy, they can hit that little

symbol and go into the earth. So you're not in resistance to anything. Those kinds of techniques will only really work well, if you change the programming and beliefs that you have to take on their stuff or that you have to heal everybody. And it's funny when I'm teaching people to do healing, and this relates to the whole empath thing, a lot of times they then think they have to heal everybody or anybody who wants a healing from them. And I like to say to people that are Christians that I go, it doesn't say in the Bible that Jesus healed everybody. You know, they make a big deal about when he did heal people. So if Jesus didn't, I'm not saying he could or couldn't, you know, that's a different belief system. But it's clear he didn't heal everybody. And I go, if Jesus didn't heal everybody, why do you think you have to? And they usually laugh and go, I didn't think about it that way.

So when you start changing the conscious and unconscious beliefs, then the last part of that that I'll mention is that is learning how to do the healings in their space, not in yours. So all of these things come together. And then it keeps you from taking on their energy and then having either their emotions, which is so common. I mean, most of the difficult emotions people have, it's not even their energy. I know. I say that all the time. Oh, good.

Yeah, because I mean, you know, working with energy. And that the other thing as you work and have more experiences with energy, you start to just like you would working with any sense. You start to, hmm, that smells like guinea pigs in here. Right. I don't even have to see them. I smell them. You know, you start to notice energy in that way. Yeah, it's kind of stinky. Smelling a guinea pig. Yeah, but the energetics of those little guinea pigs, they're interesting.

That's for sure. I just had this amazing experience with an animal intuitive over the past few weeks. And I can't wait to release her episode. She's magnificent. She knew my dogs. I want to learn. I met some people at Lilydale who did that because I haven't put an attention on that before. So, well, you know, I being outside, you know, I didn't grow up where anyone said you should just be and just be with the earth. Breathing is important. All these things. In fact, the only time I was by myself, I was punished.

Usually it was punishment to be right. Shifting my perception and just being with me outside nature and birds and animals have become such just I marvel at them. Just it's amazing. I mean, watching the freaking squirrels in my tree sometimes like going to like a Barnum's Bailey circus. I'm amazed what they can do. Well, it's so funny you're bringing this up because of those animal communicators. When I was in Lily Dela, I was like watching the squirrels and there were these, I'm not sure if they were toads or frogs, but it was at night and they were all like hopping away from me. And I thought, well, I'm going to try animal communication. So this one, I went, would you let me pet you?

I'm not going to pick you up or hurt you. And it worked. So the day I tried it with some frogs, it didn't work at all. So I don't know. It was so funny because I just sort of mentally talked to him. And he didn't let me pet him. But the frogs, they weren't having it. They're like, we have a salmonella have some dude you don't want to touch us it's funny you would bring it up because i was really having

fun watching the squirrel wars and then chase each other and all that i know it's truly remarkable and you know my dog and like now i know why my dog sits there and watches them and tries to join in. I don't know what it meant, but there are ravens that they're doing construction across the street from me where in the Hollywood Hills where I live. And the ravens that used to live there now, like my roof, like a couple months ago, I woke up and I'm hearing this bang, bang, bang. And there's a raven at the window looking at me and going bang, bang, bang with his beak, looking at me going bang, bang, bang. And there's a raven at the window looking at me and going, bang, bang, bang with his beak, looking at me going, bang, bang, bang. And I thought, Edgar Allan Poe. I never figured out what it was about, but it was like, okay, I see you. I've had some pretty amazing moments like that with hawks. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. I I know we have got really big hawks here in Colorado well I don't know if they have them everywhere this big but in my neighborhood they're

pretty darn big and like they'll take a dog you know if it's small enough for sure yeah unfortunately but yeah I've had some pretty amazing in fact even have, I even caught a hawk totem one time on video, like flying with a hawk. It was pretty amazing. Yeah. But see, there you go with technology. Now, you know, we're able to kind of catch, you know, some of these phenomenons. Yeah. And, you know, it's kind of like, for me, it's not like I never saw it in time. A lot of times these things, you know, show up afterwards where I'm looking at a picture or something like that. I mean, just look at UFOs. You know, we wouldn't have believed just if, you know, they just had a story.

We didn't believe when they just had stories. Well, it was funny. I was teaching some workshops in London a month ago. And I was walking with a friend of mine near greenwich park which is his old beautiful park and the subject of butterflies came up and a friend of mine lives on the street called red admiral street which is a kind of butterfly that i guess used to be common in england not as common anymore and my friend's going oh that's a good name for a street and i went yeah i don't know what a red admiral butterfly looks like. Within seconds, one comes

and lands like a couple feet in front of my foot. And we're like taking pictures of it. We startled it and it flew off and it came back to the same spot. And she goes, they look like that. That, see, that kind of synchronicity is just undeniable so beautiful and i think sometimes the message like so my full name is arthur you know people call me art and um and those aren't common names yeah twice i've like been channel surfing and i'd hear art arthur art and both times i would meditate and go okay you've got my attention what's the message And both times it was just, we're just reminding you life is magical. Okay. You hear how magical it is?

Yesterday, me and my daughter, while we're building the bed, she wanted to listen to soundtracks of movies. So we started out with Sing and then we did like Shrek. And then I was like, let's do Grease. And then I was like, ooh, there was a movie that I loved the songs, this movie with Dudley Moore. And I can't remember the name of it. And I sat there and racked my brain

and never did I remember it until the minute you've just said your name. Arthur. I loved that movie, Liza Minnelli. Rightelli right yes i just remembered that too yeah that was fun movie and that they have a great soundtrack i'm gonna go listen to it after this because i was so mad i couldn't remember it that is very funny the funniest thing with my name is they used to have a magazine in paris callediscope. And it was a everything going on, you know, that week or month, you know, in Paris. And it was the first time I taught in

Paris. And my sponsors, I showed up, and they go, you're gonna love this. This is the new Periscope magazine. And the on the cover, it goes art in capital. And all around the there were posters with with the cover on it and they go do you feel then I go yes I feel very well but yeah thank you so much because I know what song it is it's like once in a life I could sing it but I don't want to ruin the episode. Seemed to sing all the time. But yeah, thank you. Because it was driving me crazy. So see, it's those little moments. I don't know why. I know I have to listen to that song.

Well, and I encourage anybody listening that if you just set the intention that you want more delightful synchronicities, they just start happening. And put something like delightful before it. Because synchronicities can they just start happening. And put something like delightful before it, because synchronicities can be very not fun. And the other thing is, when you have more synchronicities in life, you can't judge everything second by second. So- Right. Got to be logical. You have to see how it plays out. So- Yeah. Place in Marin County, I would would go to and we were studying

you know psychic development and everybody was going to go meet in this coffee cool coffee house in a very popular area in san francisco so everybody else had found parking but me and i'm feeling you can't even manifest a parking spot and everybody else did, you know, and I'm kind of criticizing myself. I finally find parking. I finally get out of the car and I ran into a friend of mine I hadn't seen for years who I wouldn't have run into had I got, you know. So that's what I mean. Sometimes when it doesn't seem to be working, you have to kind of let it play out a little bit, you know. Yeah.

I mean, i love this i find so many people they'll they'll get an initial sign that they don't understand because it's it's like i've occasionally had people go i was going to take your workshop and all this stuff got in the way so i took it as a sign and i go usually that's a sign that you should come i had a woman actually come late to one of my workshops once and she was going, I'm sorry, and had all this trouble getting here. So I know this is going to be life-changing because whenever I have trouble getting to a workshop, it means the resistance is up because my life's going to get better. And before I studied

NLP, my first class, I severely sprained my ankle. I probably actually fractured some bones. I had to borrow crutches from a friend and there was no Uber or anything. So I had to take buses and taxis. It was like, you know. No parking spot. But actually it was all the resistance was, things were trying to block me, unconscious resistance for people it's not like evil or bad it's just yeah let's try to avoid change even positive change and the biggest mistake in my life would have been if i hadn't shown up i'm because everything was magical once i showed up they initially go um does anybody need transportation for the next five days so it hasn't even started yet and i have rides for the rest of the time.

Okay, so don't be afraid of what you may see as a warning or don't make every obstacle a warning is what you're saying. Surface. And what I always encourage people to do, you can meditate on it and just go, okay, you've got my attention. Is there a message?

And you won't always get an answer, but a lot of times you will. Get some kind of an image or words or feelings. And again, sometimes the first things that come up are not the deep truth. So you might have to do it a few times. I mean, I do think spirit talks to us, but it isn't always what we're expecting. Yeah. Are you familiar with Ram das yeah he died a few years back and if anybody's not familiar with an amazing person beautiful spirit and his mother and father when they were um uh every anniversary his father would give his mother one a single red rose and his brother and his father were fairly conservative or at least normal you

know mainstream and and ram das he had been a a professor at harvard and was one of the early lsd investigators but what it did for him is it opened to him he actually worked with tim lear and stuff but he went into spirituality directly and changed his name to Ram Dass. But so he's talking about his mother's funeral. And he goes, he's trying not to smile because he's just feeling all the love for his mother. And he goes, if I smile, they're going to go, that's the one that does drugs. And there were all these red roses on his mother's casket. And when they were wheeling the casket by the father, one red rose fell off his father's feet. And he goes, even my lawyer brother

had to admit it was a sign. But then the story gets better because then they're trying to figure out what do you do with that rose? You can't throw it away so they found out there was a company that would encase it in plastic with an inert gas you could have it forever so they did that but there was a mistake in the process so the rose is inside they're disintegrating you know they they and but ram, he goes, I think that was the real message, you know, that we didn't need to hold onto the rose. Wow. No kidding. Yeah. So, I mean, again, that would seem negative at first, but to him, it was like, but that was the real mess. You know, there was a message of love and then the message of like, you know,

let go, you know, I'm getting from all this that I never have thought of before is don't stop at the fear. Yes. You know what I mean? Like, of course, there's going to be some fear. And it does scare a lot of us away. Like, don't stop there. There's something beyond that.

Yeah, I mean, the first NLP course I took, it was a super advanced course. I had no business being in it, but I just had to find out if it was a super advanced course I had no business being in it but I just had to find out if it was real but you know besides you know really messing up my ankle it was real expensive uh I had to take it was five days and five days the next month so I had to take six vacation days and you know and a lot of money and all this and I had no idea if it was even going to be any good I knew the teacher was supposed to be good and so I'd reread the the pamphlet flyer you know a thousand times but I just kept going but I could feel like no I'm supposed to go you know it's like my logical mind had a million reasons not to go but but I just could feel something was telling me to go. So if it stopped me,

my life would have been so different. I can't even imagine what my life would be like now compared to where it is. Wow. That's awesome. That's a lot of wisdom there. And I think that that's something really I'm going to take with me today. And I'm going to be very conscious of that. So thank you. I'm definitely learned a lot from you today. That's a huge one because even if I may have known it, it was not conscious to me. So, you know, just, and I think to a lot of people, I hear this all the time.

I just heard this yesterday from someone. One of my listeners was debating whether or not to take one of my guest programs. And, you know, it was really like, I hope I'm doing the right thing. You know, it's, you know, a commitment and she was really called. I mean, of all the things that she could have you know listened to and chose that was the one so moving just past that fear there's definitely like you said we're all it's all connected somehow divinely i mean i'm just i'm super excited to get off and listen to ar Arthur's soundtrack. I have to listen to it too. It is, it's great. Yeah. I guarantee

there's some wisdom in there I'm supposed to receive. Well, it's funny you're bringing it up because I used to go, Arthur's gets such bad press other than King Arthur. You know, Arthur in the movie, he's a drunk, you know, drunk or they're really noble but they don't know what's really going on well you know if it if it makes any difference to you I loved Arthur's character oh good but see that's that that's that's me that's my personality right so I see someone in need in fact I'm around a lot of alcoholics. I've been in Illinois my whole life, you know, for all for most of my adult life. So, yeah. And I really appreciate you coming on and spending this time with me. I think you're doing such great work in the world and your podcasts are amazing people and you just create a great energy around it. And you're really just putting out something really wonderful in the world. And I love that it's not dogmatic, like so many well-intentioned people are. I just really

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