Sense of Soul - Spiritually Awakening to a Higher Purpose

Episode Date: November 26, 2021

Sense of Soul welcomed Bridget Finklaire. She is an author and spiritual teacher with almost 30 years of experience. She is a qualified and experienced psychotherapist, hypnotherapist and healer, and was a professional therapist in London's Harley Street. Bridget left England in 2012 for Cape Town, where she now lives with her South African husband. Bridget loves teaching, writing and speaking. Weaving together the threads of her spiritual and professional journeys, she designed "The Bone Circle" - a unique, transformative and life-changing programme that ties together three significant areas of expertise: Intuition & creating, the sacred & the metaphysical, and therapy & healing. Bridget has facilitated and taught many courses, including meditation, healing, dowsing, sacred geometry, and space clearing. She's also facilitated A Course in Miracles, created TruthYoga (a return to yoga as a spiritual practice) and FreedomDance, a free-form conscious shamanic trance dance. She currently facilitates a study group for The Book of Knowledge: The Keys of Enoch (R) (Dr JJ Hurtak, 1973). Bridget's intention is to awaken people to a higher purpose and a more joyful and harmonious life. She does this through creating awareness, providing a higher path of consciousness, teaching how to tap into intuitive wisdom, and setting up support groups that can work together powerfully to create positive change. You can order here amazing book “Red Dress” from John Hunt Publishing on Amazon, Kindle, Barnes and Noble and wherever books are sold! Follow are Journey and learn more about Bridget at https://www.bridgetfinklaire.com. Don’t forget to rate, follow and leave us a comment! Please go check out our Sense of Soul’s merch and workshops including Shanna’s CLEAR ancestry workshop and learn more about us @ www.mysenseofsoul.com! Exclusively NOW on Sense of Soul Patreon  is the 777 Chakra Journey, 7 weeks 7 Chakras, beginning with the Root Chakra and end at the end of 2021! You can also listen to Shanna’s mini-series about her ancestral journey, “Untangled Roots” and Mande’s mini series about her two NDE’s has begun.  https://www.patreon.com/senseofsoul

Welcome to the Sense of Soul podcast. We are your hosts, Shanna and Mandy. Grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Today we have with us Bridget Finclare. She is a spiritual teacher and the author of the novel Red Dress. She is also the facilitator of the study group for the book of knowledge, the keys of Enoch and the creator of the life-changing program, the bone circle, where she weaved together the strands of her spiritual and professional journey and created something unique. It is our pleasure to welcome Bridget. Hello. How are you? I'm well, thanks. how are you? I'm good. Good evening to you. Yeah it's just put the light on it's just starting to get dark here. Are you in South Africa? Yes I'm in

Cape Town or I'm actually about 20 minutes drive out of Cape Town in a place called Hout Bay which is right on the ocean it's beautiful mountains yeah. I will have to tell you what really really stuck out to me was that you facilitate a study group for the book of knowledge the Keys of Enoch. I do still do that I still facilitate that it's my love it's what I do and I teach every Tuesday evening so I have a small online group that I teach on a Tuesday evening and then every other Monday I'm group that I teach on a Tuesday evening. And then every other Monday, I'm teaching as part of a roster, the Pistis Sophia, which is also part of the Academy for Future Science. And that's Nag Hammadi. And it's all the divine feminine returning. So Pistis Sophia is the personification of faith and wisdom, but she's a woman. And it's

a really, really great book to read. So we're doing that. And so there's quite a lot of study going on and a lot of work, because I think anybody who's in the spiritual world at the moment is doing a lot of work in terms of where we're heading and creating a new way of being and anchoring that divine feminine and anchoring a spiritual way of being. We're in this amazing gateway moment, aren't we? So, you know, I find myself quite busy with like kind of prayer groups and meditation groups and teaching. I know. I feel the same way. I get so excited about so many different things that are happening. So I'm like, we have to have a group for that.

We have to be on that. Just a little overwhelming. And then you suddenly realize you need three of you because there's too much going on. I need a clone for sure. Yeah, I do. I definitely need a clone. Oh, I love that. Is the Keys of Enoch an actual book? Yes it is I actually don't have it beside me right now because I tend to keep it out on a different desk where I study. Really fascinating I love the book of Enoch and I have done a lot of my own study within my journey. Mandy said when she was really getting into your book, she read more than half of your book.

And she said it was like she was basically writing our story in the things that we've received and downloaded. Yeah, a lot of people that have read it find that Katie really relatable. So there's bits of people just relate to her and there's something in her and it's interesting because it's almost as if she's a mirror so if you've done your work and you've been on that journey you can kind of laugh with her and go on that journey with her if you haven't done your work and you haven't been on that journey that book can be quite painful to read because it's kind of going okay this, this is going on. So it kind of can mirror people. Yes. Katie was very relatable, especially from the get-go, like her relationship with her husband,

all the way up to what she was receiving. And I will tell you, it's so weird that you just said mirror because the entire time I was reading the book, I was almost picturing like her getting these downloads and this voice was talking to her through a mirror. I kept envisioning a mirror. Yeah. So it's so interesting that you just said that. But I definitely enjoyed the book. I would love to hear how you came up with the title Red Dress and what inspired you to write the book in the first place? Okay, great question, Mandy. So I kind of like, I kind of give you some preamble to get into it, if that's okay. Shut me up if I'm going on for too long. I've lived here in Cape Town for nine years. So when I was in London, I used to have a friend, very, very spiritual friend, and we used to do, we were just

talking about the Keys of Enoch. We used to study the Keys of Enoch together in London, and she always used to tell me, you're going to write a book and you know it's one of those friends i didn't take any notice of her but she kept saying it very matter of fact like when your book is published and so eventually i kind of had to take that seed on board of that idea and in the back of my mind i kind of thought okay she's probably right because you know she's right about these things and i'm going to have to write a book anyway life took over and it got really crazy busy i ended up doing this training course in my intuition to learn how to tap in at will to your intuition rather than it just coming in and you know the voice comes in

and you've got to learn to listen to it but then to actually be able to tap in at will and I did this whole training and what came up was for me to come to South Africa actually which was quite scary but I wanted to test it to the max I arrived in South Africa didn't really know anybody and I was on a Skype call with another friend of mine completely independent a guy from Australia and he just went you know you're gonna write a book and I thought okay this is just too weird okay two people have told me I'm gonna write a book that afternoon I had somebody knock on my door but bear in mind I've just lived here two weeks and didn't know anybody.

So this guy knocks on my door and it's my neighbor from across the road. He said, would you like to come for a party? We're having a party this evening. So I said, yeah, sure, I'd love to. And I arrive and his wife, whose birthday it is, is an author. And everybody there is either a publisher or an author. And I thought, OK, the world, the universe is telling me something here. So then it was a matter of tapping into my intuition to write it and what I kept getting very very strongly is it's going to be a novel and that kind of scared me because I knew I was capable of writing a non-fiction you know a seven ways to enlightenment or something like that I knew I could write that because I'd had a previous career many years ago

before I had my kids in public relations. And I used to write press releases and articles. So I knew I could write that. But the idea of writing a novel was on now, this is really scary. Have I got to really do this. So there was a lot of procrastination. And as you can imagine, and resistance, and eventually, I kind of got down to writing it. And I went into a meditative state and just started writing. And I kind of got from my own intuitive guidance, just keep going, don't start criticizing it, don't start second guessing it, just keep going. It took a long time for it to actually become the novel Red Dress, because it all had to be rewritten and restructured. But the central idea was there. The reason it's called Red Dress is actually beginning the working title was Alchemy by Numbers. And I did a kind of a reading from the original manuscript and a whole

load of people arrived thinking I was going to be talking about numerology, which does feature in the book, but I thought, okay, now I need to change the title, then it was going to be called Golden. And there was a few other books called Golden. And I had a few names that I kind of had. And I was talking to a group of friends, you know of women great to be around circles of like-minded women hey and i was just with this circle of women and we were sitting and i was saying you know writing this book and i wasn't sure what to call it and red dress was one of the titles that had come in and this one lady just went red dress oh it's called red dress i'd buy it so i thought that's it that's the title and it's actually called that because the central character, Katie, she's funny, you know, and she's having this journey, this spiritual journey.

She's a bit intrepid. She's kind of on the fence and she's not sure whether she's going to go into it completely or not. And she ends up working with Orisoma bottles and the colors of the bottles of the Orisoma, which is a real thing you can go and do. Everything in the book is real. It's real thing you can go and do everything in the book is real it's all stuff you can go and do so she's working with these bottles and she's having to wear these ridiculous combinations of colors and eventually she's worked through all four of the bottles and she's free to wear any color she likes and she comes out of the shower she opens the wardrobe and she's looking and she's thinking what am i going to wear to this event she's going to and she hears this voice and it goes red dress so that's why it's called red dress I love that Katie sounds so fun is there a little bit of Bridget and Katie and Katie and Bridget how you know how much of the story is yours

um look it's it is loosely autobiographical and the events of her life do follow mine. She's a therapist, and I was a therapist on Harley Street. She lives in West London. She doesn't live where I live, but I did used to live in London. I did used to be married to the tall, dark, handsome, and I do I and she likes driving fast and so do I but I think the difference is that I've been on the spiritual journey for about 30 years and she's just started her spiritual journey so she's quite naive about it all so yes of course there's bits of me in her and bits of her in me but I would also say that that there's bits of me in some of the other characters it is well the first thing is it is a fiction And the second thing is that there are other characters that I think are me. So her best friend is called Shanti and she knows everything about anything spiritual. And actually there's parts of me that are Shanti,

there's parts of me that are The Voice. And because I used to be a therapist, she's got her supervisor, her therapist is called Terry. And there's parts of me that are Terry as well. So it's not as click up but yes certainly a lot of her is me and a lot of the life events that she goes through also mine so but it's a fiction but she's a fun person I'm assuming a lot of the messages too like the that were received in her meditations were those what you received yeah some of those were messages

that I received but some of it is just the learning having been on that path for so long and dipped into so many different teachings and particularly the keys of enoch that we were talking about earlier and things like causing miracles and you know all the wonderful teachings that are out there we all know about those i think just those years of learning and growing both as a therapist and on a spiritual journey enabled me to voice the voice and come through with those wisdoms so really I'm sharing 30 years worth of pearls of wisdom but doing it in a fun way through Katie. You mentioned that your journey you've been going on it for you said 37 years are you only 30 or should we assume that maybe that there was something prior to that

there was something prior to that I'm actually almost 60 thank you that's actually not till next year I should stop saying that I'm 59 yeah but yeah no my I had my daughter when I was 30 so she's 29 now and um that was a really big turning point in my life. I think many of us who were on a spiritual path probably chose it at soul level before we even came in, chose our parents, chose our family, chose our path. And then there'd be something that shakes us up to go onto that spiritual journey. Whether that's, you know, I think one of you had near death experience, and whether it's that or whether it's illness, or whether it's addiction, or whether it's grieving or loss,

or something kind of shakes us up and puts us on that journey. And I chose a really, really challenging family and to be born into. I'm grateful to them now, I've forgiven them. And I love them unconditionally and all of that, because they shaped who I am now. But going through it at the time was was quite challenging. And I think when I left home I kind of did that fake it till you make it thing trying to oh yeah it's the 80s I'm moving to London it's all cool and it's just the mask that you're wearing and inside you're hurting I had some really disastrous relationships really it was quite sad inside and just pretending everything was okay but when I had

my daughter, I thought, no, actually, I'm a grown up now, you know, I've got an adult now. And I don't think my mother or my parents, either of my parents are very good role models for parenting. So I wanted to be the best mom I could be and look after this beautiful little baby that I'd had. I had a son two years later as well. So I really wanted to do my best at that. And I recognized that there were problems. And I think that's the first thing is to recognize that there are issues there and to have the courage to face those and go on that journey. So it was having her really that pushed me onto that spiritual journey. And she started off with me thinking, I need to have therapy. But very quickly, the spiritual journey came in as well and it felt like there was these

two parallel paths that I was taking and both of them were about me about a journey of self-discovery and self-healing so there was the traditional route if you like of kind of like okay what's happened what's gone on discussing things looking back at childhood, I actually went for counselling rather than therapy. And then there was the spiritual path, there's more to life than this. And I was always interested in that, even as a kid, I was always interested. My grandmother was quite psychic and used to tell the tea leaves and things like that. And she was like one of those wise old women, and I used to love going to visit her and I think even as a teenager I was always interested in things like that so it's always there when you look back isn't it it's just what sort of gets you on the path. Oh I can relate to so much of that and you're

right Shannon and I talk a lot about how unfortunately our pain is usually what puts us on our path to purpose and that's definitely what happened for both of us. I'm also extremely fascinated with this workshop that Shanna was talking about with the book of Enoch. Before we really dive into your book, The Red Dress, can you, because I find it so fascinating and I think it's so beautiful. And what is it about the keys of Enoch that you love to teach and that you feel like people need to know that's a great question okay so I really wish I had the book in front of me I think I need to start bringing it in here because quite a few people have asked me about it so I believe that the keys calls you and you find the keys at the right time for you when you're at the right level

of consciousness and what happened for me is I went, I was on this whole spiritual journey where I was being fast tracked. And I was doing a lot of different lots and lots of different modalities. One of the things I did was the reconnective healing, Eric Pearl's Reconnection. And that comes from the keys of Enoch. If you read his book, The Reconnection, he talks about going to see this woman and it all comes comes from one of the keys which is key 317 i believe and then there was doing another thing called magnified healing also that kind of came from it was to do with guan yin uh the bodhisattva of compassion and the woman who kind of brought that through also studied the keys of enoch and then there was another one which was called guide on heart which was supposed to be a visualization of the keys of Enoch. So when I did the magnified healing mastery level, the woman

who ran that said to me, you're a true master, and you really need to read the keys of Enoch. And I'd kind of been thinking I need to do it anyway, because it kept showing up in my life, this keys of Enoch, what is it? So I ordered it. And I went off on holiday. This is when I was living in England. I went off on holiday in August. And when I came back from holiday, I had this great big pile of posts that the neighbor had put on my kitchen table. And it was this great big chunky package because it's quite a big book. It's like the Bible. It's about the size of the Bible. I thought, what's that? And I ripped it open. And I just took this book out and I was mesmerized. It's got a white cover with gold writing with these seven hands in mudra holding these lights that are coming down from a dove with this geometry in the middle.

And I was like, whoa. And I opened it up and I just looked at them. There's things called glyph pages, which are the keys themselves. And I just got fascinated. You know, my ex-husband and my kids were trying to unpack their bags and put the heating on and sort everything out. And they were going, and they started to nag me. What are we having said to eat, mum? When are you going to put that bloody book down? And I just couldn't stop reading it.

And it's incomprehensible, actually, to just sit and read it. So I just looked at the pictures and looked at these lift pages. And then I found out that you need to, I actually went back to the woman who originally told me you should read it. she said no you need to go to a study group so I found that there was a study group in London and this was 15 years ago I've been studying for 15 years and I absolutely love it so it's a multi-dimensional teaching and it's written on seven levels and it's incredibly diverse and wide it's a capstone teaching so it includes lots of different teachings in there so we've got Egyptian we've got Tibetan bond tradition you've got the

Christ you've got the tree of life Kabbalah Hebrew so it lots and lots of stuff in there it's actually the keys to future science and there are 50 well there's 64 different keys all together 54 of which are in that first book and they're the keys that open your consciousness so i find it infinitely fascinating because you read one key you don't really get it you're kind of hanging on by your fingernails and then you read another key and it gives you a piece of the jigsaw for that key and then when you go back to that key you understand it but and then when you've read the whole keys and then now the last 10 by the way bring brought out and they weren't weren't allowed to be brought out until the consciousness of man was ready and they started coming out six years ago which is really telling because we've

only got 10 love the last and this year is key 406 which is the sixth of those last 10 which are the light picture superscripts and they're the commandments of light last 10, which are the light picture superscripts. And they're the commandments of light. And they're absolutely amazing. And they're all the sort of the next, thou shall be the light and thou shall be the image. And they're just incredible, but very, very high vibration. They're the highest truth I've ever found, the highest teaching I've ever found. And a lot of things that we now in our normal lexicon originated in the keys which came through in 1973 dr hurtak who wrote it had a para physical experience where he was taken off planet in the merca bar of met of enoch and then metatron which is why it's called the keys of england is the same enoch as the book of enoch um and so things even things like metatron nobody really heard of metatron in those down now

everybody knows what metatron's cube is and, you know, all of these geometries which are in the keys. So it goes from the subatomic up to the superluminal on seven different levels. So everything you're reading is programming you on seven levels to open the time locks of your mind, to open your consciousness and to prepare us for what's to come. And it sets out this vast cosmology. And we really, really get to understand inside out what's happened here and why we're trapped in this kind of fallen space and why we've got all this awfulness playing out right now. And we're going through the end times. But of course, that's the new beginning. And we call it the Yom or the Day of Light. It's our day of graduation where we go up and we collectively work together to create a new earth a new paradigm in a higher dimension to go into that space of

ascension looking at the nuts and bolts of all of that and the science of all of that i could talk probably just about the keys of you know i mean it's amazing bridget because everything that you're saying you know i've received mandis received you, we're just two suburban mothers, but like you said, everyone's starting to know about some of these things collectively, which is amazing and a miracle in itself. So you obviously are helping people decode some of these books that are hard to read. I mean, Course in Miracles you do as well, which I had to definitely get the dummy version of that to really fully understand it. I think it's called Course of Miracles, Maybe Easy or something like that, because I really did. I was I like you said, when you had received that one book, when I got the Course in Miracles, I was like, are you kidding me?

I this is way too many words in a book. It's not going to work for me but having support to go through these books and being able to discuss in those groups I'm sure is just very helpful for sure I mean yeah it's an absolutely amazing teaching in terms of um course in miracles I taught it for a year but when I by the time I taught it I'd already been teaching the keys for a long time so when I first got course in miracles like you I you, I just thought, are you kidding me? I'm getting sat on my bookshelf for ages. And I even put that in red dress. She has this little group.

She says everybody that's awakening, she calls them Moses, M-O-S-E-S, Movement of Spiritually Enlightened Souls. And she says that they've all got the Causing Miracles on their bookshelf but they never open it and um which i think is probably a true state of affairs so course in miracles sat on my bookshelf for years and years and it wasn't until i'd moved to south africa and i'd been teaching keys for ages i went back to it and i thought you know what i should i'll have a dip into this and by then because my consciousness had been opened by the keys i found it relatively easy so i ended up teaching it. But what I found with Causing Miracles, there's lots of wonderful things in there. There's lots of wonderful lessons. And it's brilliant. And if you want to do it, it's fabulous. And it's really heart centering. It's really lovely. But somehow I always felt defeated by it always felt

like, oh, I'm never gonna live up to what it's asking me to do. It's impossible in this system of things. So it's incredibly frustrating, because you're just kind of setting yourself me to do. It's impossible in this system of things. So it's incredibly frustrating, because you're just kind of setting yourself up to fail. Whereas with the keys of Enoch, it's the other way around. When you've decoded, which is a great word, I always go, let's unpack this one. And we go, we sit and discuss it. What does this really mean? Because when you've uncoded it, you feel incredible expansion and uplifted and joyous, it's so positive in terms of you know basically nothing to worry about and we're constantly being helped by our guides and by the lords of light and the loka thought adjust and all these over self body of light and the

christ and the office of the christ and the office of the holy spirit and michael and melchizedek and metro so what i mean if you look at this picture behind me this is keys of enoch as well as the divine feminine returning so it's a wondrous wondrously uplifting uh teaching but yes lots of wonderful things happen and you really feel like you're meeting your family of light i will agree with you there's been so many books in in my life that i read i was like oh, oh, that's a good book. And I didn't quite get it. And then later in life, when it was more awakened, read it. And it was like, whoa. I mean, like, wow, how did I not read this? And there's also those books that are so magical, like The Alchemist, that has different meanings every time I read it.

And I wanted to ask you about this because I feel like religion, right, how they study the book together is a lot different than I end up approaching the Bible on my own. So I really had to kind of drop my belief system, which was very rooted into Catholicism, and try to read the Bible from my perspective. And I definitely was inspired by Thich Nhat Hanh and his book, Living Buddha, Living Christ. It had a totally different meaning. And that's kind of what set me on many small journeys of curiosity to find out more and led me to even reading the book of Enoch, led me to consider that maybe we are higher beings from another planet. My whole life, I just sat at a church and had them tell me what it meant. So what makes your group and reading different? That's such an interesting question and a really difficult one to answer because the keys is so precise and it's not a scripture.

It's more of a prophecy. And it's apparently somebody put just the numbers themselves, like the different numbers and how the numbers work in there through a computer and said this could not have been written by a human being so it's incredibly precise and how it locks together and in fact when the keys first came out in the 70s dr hurtak was kind of shunned by the scientific community as he's you know he's a doctor and he's like um no they thought he'd gone mad and now what's happening is many of those keys have been confirmed by science so a lot of it is actually things like string theory has been confirmed by sciences then um black holes have been confirmed by sciences then so it's it's actually quite scientific in its way and some parts are spiritual so prophetic it sounds very prophetic but there's no it's not about i think

this and you think that because what can happen is, it's a multidimensional teaching so you can go, you're on this, that and that and this and this and that and that and everybody has their view on it. And that view creates the facets of the diamonds. But I just want to nip back to what you said, because it's so interesting what you're saying about the Bible, because I didn't have a spiritual upbringing. I was brought up by Church of England. And in England, if you're Church of England, it basically means you go to weddings, funerals, and baptism. Spiritual or religious in any way at all. So I didn't have a religious upbringing, which actually is really served to me because now one of my favorite books is the Bible, but I find it fascinating because I'm coming at it from a completely different perspective. And I'm grieving as I read it, Bridget. I'm grieving everything I thought I knew and was told to believe. Literally, it's very difficult. In a way, that's beautiful because it's cracking you open.

Is it cracking your heart open to the higher truth and what i love the piece also correlates with the bible because for every key there's a scriptural reference as well and dr hernick's also done expositions on all the different books of the bible and the ones that didn't make it into the bible and things like the book of enoch and the gospel of thomas and all of those and you start understanding that every time it says righteous in the Bible, they're really talking about the order of Melchizedek, because he is the righteous king. And then you start to learn this kind of coding and language of the Bible. I'm actually in the middle of reading Isaiah at the moment, which is just an amazing, incredible prophecy. And if anybody's reading the book of Revelation, you'll know we're living through it and the

thousand years of peace are coming so i i agree with you that for me now i wish i had more time to actually sit and study it properly and it is so interesting you also mentioned um which i had to learn how to say his name my son lives in vietnam he lives in Hue which is where Thich Nhat Hanh lives and he's not he's uh his fiancee is Vietnamese and he's quoted in Red Dress and there was for the launch I actually read that passage where she is quoting um Thich Nhat Hanh and I had to learn how to say it so really interesting that you should mention him as well but I want to just also backtrack and say yeah all these books are interesting and difficult. And when we go back to them, we realize we know more.

We're going into delving here into the Bible and into the keys and causing miracles and all these wonderful books. And actually, a lot of those wisdoms and truths come out in red dress. There's even a quote about something about one star is brighter than the other. And it's actually it's actually a kind, a purposeful misquote from the Bible. So a lot of the sort of crux of the information from those teachings wind up in red dress. I loved that because I would get excited every time I was reading it. Like, I think there was one where you were like in the car listening to Eckhart Tolle and I was like, yay, Eckhart there was one where you were like in the car listening to Eckhart Tolle. And I was like, yay, Eckhart. And then, you know, then you were talking about A Course in Miracles.

And so, yeah, you had like throughout the full book, breadcrumbs of all these amazing other books that you have read that have helped you along your journey. So I loved that. Gosh, Bridget, can you believe Mandy and I are just two suburban moms in Aurora, Colorado. We didn't seek this. We didn't ask for it. We didn't want it. We were fine just being asleep, not knowing any of it, you know, and you too.

And here I laughed when you said you got your book and your family's like, come on, you're going to make me breakfast. My family's like that every night, you know, they're they're like oh boy now what have you got to tell me every day I got a new story like you're not gonna believe this and they're like oh god so you're seeding something I mean that teenagehood my kids kind of rejected everything but now both of them well my daughter's in Mexico and she's a writer and my son is permaculture and he's in Vietnam and they both meditate. So Bridget I'm going to ask you to do something a little different than normal. There's a particular page that just captivated me that I felt like was a good read for our listeners in chapter four and it starts with are we creating it the modern box myth where we keep learning from somebody else and carrying the baton onto the next treadmill

oh wow the boxes i would love for you to read it can you tell me which page it is do you know which page it is page 58 okay yeah so the voice has just been talking to her so she's got up and she's written this whole thing in her diary that she's supposed to be keeping for her therapist. So this is Katie, who's the central character. She's been told to keep a dream diary. And so she's waking up in a sweat. And she reaches out to take a sip of water from the glass by her bedside, and she notices a notebook. So taking up the pen and holding a torch in her mouth so as not to wake Richard, she wrote, they're on treadmills that keep going faster and longer and they're exhausted. They're doing it for money. The reward is two weeks off. They get on a

big tube with wings, a plane, and go to another part of the planet where the boxes are a bit different. I can see beaches and mountains. There's a forest with waterfalls, fresh water, thirst quenching. Drink it all in, plump up and expand, unwind and uncoil. They're pale and desiccated, thirsting, not just for the water. They're looking for something real and warm. They're looking for happiness, kindness, something nurturing. They're joyful and alive for a moment, talking to the locals and enjoying their simple way of life. After putting down the pen and book and switching off the torch, she snuggled under the covers and closed her eyes. The dream resumed.

The box people returned on the tubes with wings, oblivious to their treadmill lives. Behind the beach and at the edge of the woods there were piles and piles of rubbish, stinking, rotting trash. The sea washed up water bottles, drink cartons and suntan lotion tubes all covered in black tar. At the other side of the mountain was a gigantic gash, a massive quarry or mine, so big it made the people look like ants. Someone or something had been mining minerals, metals, gemstones, coal, oil, you name it, and they'd plundered it, hoarding it away in cavernous storehouses. It was a wholesale ransacking of

the planet, the great mother earth, which seemed to be alive and crying like a person. She was collecting discarded boxes in her arms, stuffing them into her vast apron pockets. Plumes of noxious smoke belched from a factory, which was pumping out shiny new boxes at an alarming rate. Katie roused herself from the scene to write it all down. Competition, acquisition, consumption, said the voice. It took her by surprise. She thought it had gone. Would you like me to continue sharing wisdom?

Shhh! You're awake, Richard. He can't hear me. I thought you were confined to the landing mirror and my office. This is my private space, for God's sake. I'm sorry, we can resume tomorrow evening when you meditate. No, I'm wide awake now, what do you want? You're seeing where this sleeping human consciousness, this unthinking way of living ultimately leads, aren't you? I

think it's just a reflection of my own psyche actually. All the symbols are parts of me. I really relate to the planet. All my resources are being drained while I take on other people's shit. I mean, rubbish. It's okay. I'm taking on other people's stuff, not just clients, but Richard's as well. As within, so without. Your own psyche is a reflection of the outer world. Humans use Earth's bounty as if it were boundless, turning a blind eye to mounting problems and hoping she goes on swallowing your detritus. Hadn't thought of it that way. Out of sight, out of mind, but it's happening, Katie. Are we creating it, this modern box myth where we keep learning from somebody else and carrying the baton onto the next treadmill?

Yes, but you could create something else. How? Stop seeing life as something you have to get through. It's not a game you have to win. It's not monopoly, you know. You're not here to learn the rules, shake the dice, pass go and pick up 200 pounds. It's not about trophies and trinkets and There are more noble reasons for life. Like what? You have a divine self, a greater self, which chose to come here to explore, learn, expand, become more aware and grow. You all have it, waiting for you to wake up and fully express your true essence. It wants you to follow your bliss. Not a spa package with a scented steam room, but your soul's joy, the thing that makes you alive with enthusiasm.

Isn't that a bit selfish? On the contrary, it's a service to humanity and the world. You're each a piece of a larger jigsaw. When you follow your soul's purpose, you're contributing, and joy is the best contagion there is. But how do I follow it? That's what I'm here to share with you. But not now. Richard will be awake in precisely 19 minutes, and you need your your sleep but the voice was gone oh my gosh yes no shannon don't you want to like cheer and stand up yes i was laughing i mean bridget how lovely and i also love the um slight humor of the spirit guide which I think so many people say that

I know mine is mine thinks he's freaking hilarious he's a Buddhist monk who's on a vow of silence who doesn't talk to me didn't talk to me forever until he told me in my past life regression that he always spoke to me when in all of my writings he's always speaking to me oh awesome i do think beautiful laughter is i love this this quote that i don't know where it's from but i've carried it for years which is enlightenment comes with a great big belly laugh and not a knowing sneer and we always say in the keys of enoch if we're giggling or laughing and we say the shakina is present which is the presence of the divine and it's the she it's the divine feminine and that's when the laughter comes oh I love that well Mandy and I are

pretty well we think we're pretty funny sometimes I'm sure you are it's awesome no but you know what when you're just being real and you're just being authentic and you're just speaking from your heart and your mind sometimes it's freaking funny exactly are you going to do a voice audible because you must be about the fourth person who's asked me you should I'd love to do it I think the part of me thinks oh but I'm not trained and I'm not professional I don't know what I'm doing oh you are a mother who probably read many bedtime stories which makes you a professional that's true I'm owning that one okay because you can almost feel Katie you know what I mean and you could feel the spirit glide it's just so much when the person who writes it reads it I wanted to point out that during that reading it also gave a tangible tool to use to journal and to write down your dreams and to keep track of everything so throughout your book

not only are you getting a beautiful story but you're getting tangible resources and tools that you can use in your life during your journey. And I love that, Bridget. Thank you, Mandy. That was my intention as well, that people could pick up whatever they want, whether that's the journaling or the meditation or some of the other things she does or whether it's Eckhart Tolle or any of these books that she reads

or people that she sees. They're all authentic and people can dip into those. And if people that read it just have fun and enjoy it that's fine but if if everybody that reads it takes away one little nugget of something that can help them then that will be my bliss man that is so brilliant of you though I think that writing this fiction book rather than having to tell your story just gives you so much room a lot lot of writing nowadays, especially, the way novels are written nowadays,

are very much written like a screenplay. So you have to be able to show it rather than tell it. So books nowadays, they don't go once upon a time there was this woman called Katie and she lived in Indonesia. It doesn't go like that. It's all conversations and she jumped on the train and it was really busy and she rushed against the rush hour traffic and tried to get there on time and so you're always painting a picture for the reader did you have it planned out before I mean is this something like you dreamed of or sat around

day dreamed of and you're like hush this is a whole book. No, and what happened was, as I said, when I finally started writing the book, I went into a meditation and I connected with my guidance. And I have a meditation that I teach others as well, which is called a spirit guide writing. And I went into that and I connected with that spirit guide writing and I just heard the voice, open your eyes and start typing. So I just did, and I can type really quickly, quickly so touch type so I was just typing away on my laptop and it just happened that she was a woman who was dressed who was in London and had and I just thought oh no this is too close to home

I can't write write this it's too much so I had this voice that just went no just keep going don't stop and start criticizing it so I carried on writing for about three hours and then I went for a walk on the beach here and it was middle of winter June which seems odd I know it's upside down because we're in South Africa but it was it was a storm and a gale and I went out I was probably the only person on the beach and I walked along the beach and I kept thinking well I can't really call originally the character was called Kirstie after a friend of mine that I'd just been chatting to and I thought I can't call her Kirstie she's got to have an identity of her own so I just decided it was going to be Katie and then I thought it can't be autobiographical it can't just be my life but let's plot some of the points of the things that

have happened in my life and work and some of the wisdom but also some of the things that happened you know my marriage broke up as well and you know all sorts of things like how teenage kids are so I put all of that in and I wrote it but it wasn't really structured as a novel and what happened then when I found the publisher is they said we love the way you write and we love what you've written but it's like a series of vignettes it's these little short stories all strung together but it doesn't really make a novel so I had to go away for a year and learn how to write a novel and then how to structure it. And then I did some work with my daughter because she is a screenwriter, but she was trained as an actor. And as an actor, they have to take a character, really, really, really develop that character and make it into something.

So she talked to me about characterization. So I learned from her about characterization. And then all the characters in the book, I would actually write every, the stuff I know about those characters that you'll never even get in the book, you know, like who their grandfather is and who them, what happened to them at school and what their favourite colour is.

And also so I could get inside the head of the character and really make them, I mean, Shanti is a completely fictitious character, but I just love her. I know exactly what she's going to say and who she is and everything about her when I write her and it made it much easier to write the dialogue and then I had to plot the point so there was not enough tension in the story so that's why I brought in the the uh the guy that has the love and sex addiction and goes to do the 12 step at the

priory and that was all and then you start making things up like his awful wife and you suddenly realize like I'd wake up in the middle of the night and have I'd have this notepad by my bed because I come up with these I have to write them down because you forget them by the morning and I think or I go for a walk somewhere there's always the times isn't it when you're having a shower you're driving and you're stuck at the lights or you're having you're in the bath or you're you know walking the dog or whatever those are the times you get the get, or you wake up in the night. Those are the times you get the ideas. And I'd have voice notes on my phone

and I'd have notepads and I'd think, oh, I know, let's make him a sex addict. You know, oh, I know, let's make the wife real nasty piece of real sort of iron maid, the iron maid, the ice maiden, I think we call her in the book. So you can have enormous fun making these characters that can clash against each other and create tension.

So in fact, I had to go back and rewrite the whole thing, so the whole process. You know, we have a lot of people that are going through awakenings that reach out to us asking how to keep their relationships and their marriages together when they're shifting and when they're awakening, because it kind of puts distance between couples when one's awakening and one's not. And I kind of felt that between Katie and Richard at the beginning, was your intention like to kind of show that sometimes going through an awakening can cause a shift in a marriage and in a relationship?

Yes, for sure. And I think that is true. I do know a lot of people who've gone on a spiritual path of awakening and ended up splitting up from their partner because if one grows and the other doesn't, it's very, very difficult. Sometimes it works. I think if somebody's got a really great marriage or partnership, and they really do love that person, and the other person is there to support them through that path, but doesn't want to take it themselves, that's absolutely fine. And you can work through that. But with Katie and Richard, Richard really doesn't want her to take that path, isn't interested in it and isn't isn't really supportive of her so then you're starting to see that rift but i think as well with richard he's not a very nice character is he he's not very empathetic so there's cracks in that marriage anyway but yeah it's a really valid point because a lot of people are awakening now because we're in that

point of light you know the history of the planet really where the the higher light is coming in and we are awakening there is a mass awakening and i think for couples either they've really got to be really really tight and love each other and one supports the other through the journey and is happy for to be holder, if you like, the container for them, the rock, the foundation for that growth, but doesn't necessarily take the journey themselves. Or they take the journey together, or they're going to find out going their separate ways. Because I think eventually, it's impossible for someone who's awakening to be with someone who's not sympathetic to that or supportive. If you think about it, it's such a oxymoron you're awakening to

oneness yet sometimes going through it creates separation almost i think when you make that decision to awaken or to go on a spiritual path or raise your consciousness something else takes over it's like your overself your guides and something bigger than you in the beginning of red dress she hands over to god and then it goes from there it gathers momentum but i think that's sometimes it's that you're not in alignment with that other person to grow and you've nothing else you're going to learn from that relationship and so that relationship splits up but it's doing it for a bigger reason and it's because the and you'll get this in the sequel to red dress actually you can get this in the sequel the sequel's about a third of the way through is why it all had to happen that way and

we start to understand why and richard's actually holding her back from that and there's a whole other story which there's soul contracts and things with people and we have to split up from those and we have to heal past life stuff and so many things and then eventually you become in alignment with who you're meant to be with. I loved that part when you read it and you said he was like, well, isn't that selfish? She said, no, it's for the greater good of humanity. That we're all part of that greater jigsaw. Yeah, we've each got our part to play.

And if we're not playing our part as a whole in the jigsaw, so we've got to show up as our true self I just think your book is just absolutely beautiful I mean I see so much in this book I see lessons I see the tools I see the knowledge and the wisdom and I see like this grander story that most people can relate to I mean it's freaking brilliant I love it I can't wait to actually physically buy it and get it in my hands because it's beautiful as well yeah and now it's time for break that shit down transformation through revealing knowledge and if I look back at everything I've done it's always

been about that whether it was as a therapist or as a writer or as a teacher. Now, it's always about sharing wisdom, sharing and revealing knowledge so that others may take that knowledge and transform. So that's what I'm about, awakening people into a positive transformation and doing that through story. In the case of Red Dress, I just think there's so much beautiful wisdom out there. I love what you were saying about humour coming in because I think it is, it's fun. And it's about having this amazing, fun journey. Of course, it's not fun all the time.

Of course, we have to sometimes face our pain. Sometimes we have difficult days, you know, things happen. But overarchingly, there's fun and you're growing and you're learning and it's fulfillment and purpose. And so if I look at, say, the training work that I do, which is the Bone Circle, that's really helping people to live their lives on purpose, according to their purpose and according to the life they've come here to live. What are their gifts and talents and skills and passions? Because we need to live those to be all parts of that jigsaw or parts of that tapestry and to bring that to life because when we're living that joy we're unstoppable so I'm very

passionate about all of that. Can you tell everybody where if they want to maybe you know learn more about the keys of Enoch and join your study group is it open to anyone or? My study group is only open unfortunately anyone or my study group is only open unfortunately to people in South Africa because it does go by country but okay Dr. Hertak and Desiree Hertak his wife who wrote well Dr. Hertak wrote the keys of Enoch is in Arizona and they have teachers all across the US there are teachers all across Europe, Russia, everywhere in the world, there are teachers. And the best thing if you want to get into the Keys of Enoch, is to go to their main website, which is www.keysofenoch.org. And on there, you will see

that there's links to the different country websites as well. There's also one in Australia. So all across the world, there's study groups. And if you want to go into the keys that's the best thing to do is to get into a study group and they do webinars they've also got a youtube channel I think it's called future science okay because the umbrella organization for the keys of Enoch is called academy for future science AFFS so that's keys of Enoch well I'm definitely going to get online right now and order this big white divine book. And I'll probably have the same reaction for my children when I get it when I can't put it down. And along with your book, The Red Dress, which I'm super excited about, where can everybody get that book? Red Dress, you can get it anywhere that you can get books, basically, you can get it on Amazon, you can get it at Barnes and Noble, you can get books, basically. You can get it on Amazon. You can get it at Barnes & Noble.

You can get it at any bookshop. You can get it in paperback. You can get it on Kindle. You can get it on an e-book. So just about anywhere. If you go to John Hunt Publishing, which is the publisher, johnhuntpublishing.com

and search for Red Dress by Bridget Finkler, you'll see that they've got a lot of links on there where you can buy the ebook or the paperback and if you go to my website there's also some links on there but my website is bridgetthinclair.com and I'll spell that I'm sure you've got notes but it's an unusual name so it's b-r-K-L-A-I-R-E. Bridget Finklair, so it's www.bridgetfinklair.com. And also I'm on social media, so do follow me. And do sign up for my newsletter

because if I do book signings or book tour or readings or do the audio or anything that comes out, that will come out on newsletter and also information about the trainings that I do. Well, it's been a pleasure, Bridget. It's been an absolute pleasure. I've so loved talking to you and Mandy, thank you so much for inviting me on. And I'm so glad you liked my book. I'd love it to go out there because I just do think it's full of wisdom and people will have fun reading it. So thank you so much for interviewing me.

You're absolutely welcome. We will definitely welcome you back 100 for that for the second one and the third one awesome i would love that that would be fantastic we are excited to announce that we have created a sense of soul patreon page to help support our podcast you will get extended versions and early access to Sense of Soul podcast episodes. We will be launching exclusive short miniseries. Right now, you can listen to My Ancestry Journey called Untangled Roots. This miniseries in its entirety right now on Sense of Soul Patreon. Mandy is also releasing her new miniseries, The Story of Her Two Near-Death Experiences.

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