Sense of Soul - Text Messages From Heaven

Episode Date: September 30, 2022

Today on Sense of Soul Podcast, we have with us Louise Hamlin, she joined us to tell us about one of the most extraordinary afterlife stories we’ve heard. Which she details in her book, WhatsApps from Heaven, Bereavement in the Twenty-first Century. Louise describes in the book, the many extraordinary and unexpected communications that she received from her late husband, Patrick. Although Louise was sceptical and looked for all sorts of other explanations, she eventually came to accept that the signs, including WhatsApps and dematerialisations, must have come from her husband's spirit in the afterlife.  This book is about bereavement as well as Louise’s personal experience of grief, in all its facets, and in a way that will resonate with readers who are bereaved. It will bring comfort to the bereaved, and encourage those left behind to recognise signs that are sent to them by their loved ones. Visit her website and follow her journey: https://louisehamlin.co.uk IG: @thelouisehamlin  Visit Sense of Soul at www.mysenseofsoul.com Do you want Ad Free episodes? Join our Sense of Soul Patreon, our community of seekers and lightworkers. Also recieve 50% off of Shanna’s Soul Immersion experience as a Patreon member, monthly Sacred circles, Shanna and Mande’s personal mini series, Sense of Soul merch and more. https://www.patreon.com/senseofsoul Thanks to our Sponsors! KACHAVA: www.kachava.com/senseofsoul ATHLETIC GREENS:  https:// athleticgreens.com/senseofsoul

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Check out our Patreon. Today we have with us author Louise Hamlin. She joins us today to tell us about one of the most extraordinary afterlife stories we've ever heard, which she details in her new book, What's Up from Heaven? Bereavement in the 21st Century. Louise is joining us today to share with us her unexpected communications that she received from her late husband, Patrick, through the What's Up. And we can't wait to hear all about this. Hi, Louise. Hi, Shanna. Very nice to meet you. Good morning. Hi, Mandy. I just finished your book. I really enjoyed it. I was in complete shock. Well, good. I'm pleased you enjoyed it. Well, we're super

excited to have you on today. We love Gavin. So thank you, Gavin. Yeah, Gavin yeah yeah yes Gavin is lovely he really is yes thank you so much for coming on to the sense of soul today well thank you very much for inviting me and I'm delighted to be here yeah absolutely so I would like to share something that happened this morning I was finishing up reading your book and all of a sudden no kidding my dog has never done anything like this starts getting scared and runs out of the formal living room and starts barking and this corner like he like my dog was seeing someone there and I was like Patrick are you here because you know I'm reading this book it was the first time I've ever had an experience like that in this house. Well, he does seem to get around.

He really does. And I mean, he has said to me through mediums that he can be in two places at once. And he's aware of what's happening the whole time. So I didn't begin to understand it. My dad told me one time that he could be at two places at once. Right. And I talk about that in my near-death experience because I tell people that myself, that when I had my outer body experience the first time, I could be everywhere and anywhere at the same time. Golly. I think that we're a little bit like fish swimming in the sea

and we have a nice social life. We have our coral reefs and our friends and our swarms and things. And we have no idea what it's like to live on land. We don't understand anything out of the sea. And I suspect that that's a bit like the other world. And they can look down at us in the sea and they think you haven't got a clue. Sounds like you really didn't have a clue. And then you've been getting tastes of clues ever since Patrick passed away in 2019, correct?

Absolutely. When he passed away, we did talk about death and the afterlife before he died because we knew he was dying we had both been lawyers you know we'd been very logical and always wanted the evidence he said well I'm not afraid of death because it's either nothing at all and that's nothing to be scared of or if there is something he said then I think I've led a good enough life which he had so he said I'm not scared of death he said I'm scared of dying because of the pain and everything but he said I'm not scared of death I got that and I sort of agreed with him and then when he died I didn't really think that there was an afterlife because of that I hadn't asked him to send me

signs if there was one because you know sort of 90% of me didn't really think there was but there was that 10% and because I was just desperate to know that he was okay and desperate to sort of have some communication with him if he was still around I went to mediums and my friends started getting signs and then I started getting signs and I was still very skeptical very skeptical until at last I thought yes yeah okay I'm convinced. What is bile ducts cancer? It's an unusual cancer but apparently it is on the rise and nobody knows why and the bile ducts they're sort of like a tree of little ducts okay in the liver and from the pancreas and they pass bile out of the pancreas and the trouble with it is you don't

really have any symptoms until it's too late so he didn't have any symptoms until he was stage four and then had three months to live it's a pity it's one of these silent killer cancers. I'm so sorry for your loss. Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. You also dealt with an illness yourself that I've never heard of. It's a disorder of the bone marrow. And, you know, when I was diagnosed with it, I'd spoken to no doubt a very, very clever specialist,

but he didn't really have very much empathy he said well you'll be okay for 10 years and he said but you're not going to make old bones and when I was a bit upset by this he said oh I don't know why you're upset I have to tell a lot of people a lot worse things than that wasn't terribly empathic and anyway I have managed to control it with lots of healing and good food and exercise and more healing. But Patrick and I both knew that I was likely to die first. And, you know, I was really pleased about that. I felt sorry for him, but I was pleased about it. So you just never can tell, can you?

You just never know what's around the corner. Well, why don't you give us some history about you and Patrick? You know, how did you guys meet? Yeah, okay. Well, we met about 17 years ago, I suppose. For me, you know, as soon as I met him, I thought, this is the man I want to be with he wasn't so sure you know we started going out and we had friends in common and you know we were both

lawyers so we had and we were both interested in history and we both liked the countryside we had a lot in common and I didn't realize when we first met that he actually did not want a committed relationship you know he was divorced as was I he thought that he didn't want to go down that road again of sort of having a committed relationship and marriage and what have you so we had a very nice time as girlfriend and boyfriend for a few months then I can remember he's saying oh well I don't do love and I thought oh and I thought well I had been once in a relationship where my love was unrequited and I thought I don't want to do that again and so I said well I'm going to break up with you because I'm looking for love and so we broke up for about probably about seven or eight weeks and anyway then he got back in touch

with me and we discovered that he did do love after all and it was it was a fairy tale really because we both loved each other very much and I can remember thinking when we got married well this is really really a happily ever after day you know and it was happily ever after day, you know. And it was happily ever after until this wretched cancer. What a great story. Wow. How old were you when you met him? I was 52. I think that's important for people to know that a lot of people later in life, they can find love. Oh, I'd had quite a long marriage to the father of my children. He'd had quite a long

marriage to the mother of his children. And, you know, I'd had been quite a few years by myself and just hadn't met anybody. And I'd sort of rather resigned myself to living the rest of my life by myself. And anyway, we were we were very very lucky we really were do you feel like he was like a soulmate of yours do you believe in soul family totally totally and utterly and the funny thing is I knew as soon as I met him that he was the man I wanted to be with let's say he didn't know, but I knew that. I'm sure we were soulmates. I also love that I see blended families working out, you know, they come together and support each other. Yeah, I mean, our children were quite old by the time we met. In a funny sort of way,

they've all become much closer since Patrick was ill and then died because they were all here. And so they all sort of spent more time with each other than otherwise they would have done. And so they're very close now, which is lovely. Being that you guys had spoke about death and afterlife, did you guys have like a spiritual plan for him when he was transitioning? Were you able to be bedside with him for every moment? What did that look like? Well, he died at home. He wanted to die at home. And I wanted him to die at home. I was with him and the children were here. I'd been by his side throughout. We carried on sharing our bed. I wanted to be with him the whole time. And then, and he lost consciousness and I carried on being with him and talking to him. Yeah. And then he died.

Thank you for sharing that. I, you know, I just recently had a friend whose grandmother had chose to exit the world before her cancer took her here we're one of the seven states that you can get assistance to help you in death you know and I had no idea that we had that here I've heard of it before but it must have passed like under the under the wire where I didn't see which state are you in Colorado right yeah you know, I think it's such a good thing because three weeks ago, I sat by the side of my 94-year-old aunt as she was dying. And I sat with her for two days and she was gasping for breath. And eventually she died. And just three days later, my spaniel was very ill. And I took her to the vets. And

the vets said, yes, she had a growth, she had cancer, she could possibly live a few more weeks, but she would be very uncomfortable. So I said, Okay, then, you know, let's say goodbye to her. And it was instantaneous. And I just just thought my dog had a better death than my aunt it's very difficult so then you do agree with that yes I do very much yeah I've lost a lot of close people to me too and it was interesting that there was this common thing that with two of them who I was really close with happened is that I had my first contact with them, surprisingly, because I'd never had contact from anyone prior, three days after. So one with one of my good friends, Nisha, three days after she passed. And then same with my dad, three days

later. And I always think of how of how you know Jesus rose after three days yes you know I'd love to hear your story of how you first heard from Patrick right I mean I first heard from him through my friend Jenny she's psychic and she's a healer it was about four or five days after he died she sent me a whatsapp which is like a text I mean my book is called whatsapps from heaven and I discovered that in the states whatsapp isn't as universal as it is here it's a messaging app she sent me a whatsapp saying Louise I'm not sure whether I should tell you this or not but look here's a photograph of a flame. And there was a photograph taken from her window of a flame in the next door garden. And she said, this morning I was thinking about Patrick and I asked him to send me a sign to say he was OK.

And she said, I asked for a flame, not in a fireplace or a candle, but a flame. And I thought that, you know, that would be quite distinctive and might be possible for him to do. Who knows? And anyway, she said, I then went about the rest of my day and I had a very busy day and I rather forgot about it. And this evening, I went to draw the curtains in my sitting room and there was this flame, tall, single flame

in the next door neighbour's garden. And I rushed and I got my phone I took a photograph and then it went and it was very unusual it was weird and I couldn't see the base of it because the fence was in the way but she said here's the photo and I think it was Patrick sending a sign saying yes you know I'm all right so that was the first potential sign that I got. You know, I thought, oh, well, I mean, Jenny doesn't believe in coincidences. But at the time I did, I thought, you know, it could have been a coincidence. And then, in fact, she then got another sign um and another friend of ours who's also quite psychic

she got some signs and there were different types of sign so a friend saw feathers lots of signs you surround yourself with all of these psychic friends for someone who was almost 90% sure that there was an afterlife. I'm surprised. Well, I guess, I mean, I do have a lot of friends who didn't get any signs. So, OK, this is the ones who did. So then the WhatsApps, which, you know, really, really made the most impact on me, started a couple of months or so after he died. I was out one day and I came back to the house and the house had been empty and it's been locked up, nobody there, no radio playing, no sound at all and I found all these words in a message box ready to send to Maria.

It was all sort of gibberish, really. There were lots of individual words that were proper words, and then there were other words that weren't. And it just went on and on. And I thought, well, how has that happened? And I just couldn't make sense of it. I was about to delete it all. And I thought, oh, I'll just send it to Maria and see what she says so I sent it to Maria and said you know hey I just

I found this on my phone in the message box already sent you what do you think it means she said no idea the next day she then sent me a whatsapp back saying hey Louise I found this in my message box ready to send to you and it was shorter it was a short paragraph and there were some words that didn't quite make sense but three times it said in this paragraph, darling, it's me. I thought, wow, wow. But then, though I sort of was 99% sure that Maria hadn't made this up, you know, there was always a slight possibility that she'd decided to jump onto some weird, inexplicable bandwagon. And then there were moreapp messages which just appeared they said things that Maria couldn't have known but they appeared

on her phone and so I was thinking well maybe he can manipulate whatsapp maybe he's able to send these messages but I wasn't totally totally convinced and then in the August I was out walking my dog with the phone in my pocket and I got back and I pulled the phone out of my pocket and the phone told me that I had created two WhatsApp groups. That's like group chats. One called Hamlins, one called Hamlin Family, one consisting of Patrick and me, one consisting of Patrick, his daughter, and me. And I looked at my phone and I thought, I didn't do this.

At the time, I didn't even know how to create a whatsapp group but I had not done it said I'd done it at 11 06 a.m and I knew this was 11 06 a.m I had been walking my dog on the common and the phone had been in my pocket and I stared and I stared at my phone and I thought my goodness it can only have been Patrick he has done it he has done this it was that that made me realize that yeah he could communicate with me and I was thrilled and delighted and what I should say is it was his daughter's birthday that day and I think that he was also doing it as a birthday present for his daughter to tell her as well to say to her hey I'm alive. Was she a believer? No not really I think she is now but she wasn't so anyway and the whatsapps continued and then there were many other signs as well and I also was going to mediums and I had extraordinary experiences with mediums too.

The evidence just piled up and became irrefutable. And then he kept using the word Sri Lanka? Yes. So I think it was four times in total he said Sri Lanka. And that very first message that he sent, which was mostly gibberish, but it said the words Sri Lanka. And in fact, this last March, I went to Sri Lanka on holiday. And the reason I went was because of these messages. I had a great time. I loved the country. I was always waiting for something amazing to happen. But if it did, I didn't notice it. So I don't know why he kept on saying Sri Lanka, but maybe for whatever reason,

he wanted me to go there and I did. Do you still touch him? Oh, I talk to him all the time. And you still get these coded messages? I've had one since I wrote the book. I haven't had a WhatsApp recently. The last one I had from him, which isn't in the book. I've got all the others in the book.

The last one, I can hear you, darling. Please hear me. Oh my God. And so did he call you darling? All the time. That was what he always called me. Oh my God. So also you had some actual physical paranormal stuff happening as well right? Yeah

yes I did quite extraordinary things I mean I did have lights going on and off I did have some feathers in very strange places I was in bed at about two o'clock in the morning and I couldn't sleep and I was thinking oh Patrick why did you have Patrick, why did you have to go? Why did you leave me? Which I think is quite common for people who've lost their loved ones to sort of think that. And suddenly there was this terrible thump right outside my bedroom door. My bedroom door was ajar I was terrified there's nobody else in the house and I thought what earth was that so I lay there absolutely rigid with fear waiting to see what was going to happen next and nothing happened and so in the end feeling very brave I got out of bed and I turned on the light, crept out and I discovered that a book had flown out of the top of the bookshelves, which were there in the half landing, and had flown out with quite some force because it had travelled some distance, banged onto the floor and that was what had caused the noise and there was absolutely no reason no material reason if you like why a book would have done that

and I know Patrick saying I haven't left you you know I'm still here well and being a lawyer I bet you you're you know your mind is okay we have to prove this you know to be without a doubt yeah what's the explanation you know I had something similar happen it's like that force that was behind it because I remember my mom saying well maybe it was a mouse that ran on the mantle that made that fall and I was like all of it and then it was there was a bang, just, you know. I mean, I don't have mice in the house. There was no reason at all that I could find. What book was it?

It was Started Early, Took My Dog by Kate Atkinson, which is, and she's an author I like, but I don't know that the book itself was particularly significant other than that I knew it had been on the top shelf because my books were vaguely in alphabetical order and she was an A and the A's were on the top shelf so I'm impressed by that well it was yeah which part is that alphabetical order Well, yeah. Which part? In that alphabetical order.

And then, in fact, it happened again. And this is quite interesting because I had been to see a medium, probably about four mediums in total. And this medium, amongst other things, she said, Patrick says, do watch the birds. And he and I had become very interested in birds shortly before he died. And we hadn't really beforehand. We had when we'd been on safari together in Zambia and had seen all the amazing birds there. So I started to look for the binoculars. And I knew we had some binoculars, but I couldn't find them. That night, again, about two o'clock in the morning or so

I was lying awake in bed and there was again a thump outside the bedroom door and this time I was a bit less scared yeah I was still a bit a bit nervous you know just in case there was an intruder but then nothing happened so I went out and yeah another book had just whooshed out of the bookcase onto the floor. And I bent down to pick it up. As I was sort of down picking it up, I saw the binoculars, which had been tucked into the bottom shelf of the bookcase. I thought, oh, Patrick's showing me where the binoculars are. You know, I looked everywhere for them, but haven't looked in a bookcase. You know, I get this feeling now, and even when I was reading it,

that he's being very light-spirited with you. He's reminding you to like, just go do new adventures and have fun. And that he wants you just to be happy. Those are kind of the loving messages that I get in my own mediumship. They're all just very simple. A lot of them aren't like these really deep emotional things. They're very lighthearted and come from love. And I feel like that's kind of the messages I was

getting from him to you. Does that make sense? Oh, I think that's lovely, Mandy. And I mean, I'd never actually thought of it like that, but it makes perfect sense. I think that's really lovely. Thank you very much for saying that. And, you know, Shanna and I have had a paranormal investigator come into her home. I think a lot of people don't realize how difficult it is for spirits to speak to us. So the fact that he's coming to you through this WhatsApp, and for our listeners who don't know what that is, because some people might not,

it's an app you can download and chat with people. And the way it came in discombobulated made tons of sense to me because as a medium myself, these messages don't always come in clear. I think it's very hard for them. You know, I think that he sort of got better, if you know what I mean. So the messages became more coherent with time. And I imagined him sort of trying to mentally use a keyboard. Mandy has mediumship as well as you, speaking to people on the other side, as in loved ones and people who have messages. I speak to people on the other side who are like ancient fricking aliens and ancestors and past lives. It's so interesting how this gift can be channeled into so many

different things for so many different reasons. So my question is, have you ever connected with anybody else besides your husband? Well, I have. And this is quite funny, really. So I went to see a medium, I suppose it was probably last summer. And she was one of the mediums I had seen fairly soon after Patrick had died and she'd been very very good and she'd really impressed me and had said things that you know she couldn't possibly have known and I just felt it'd be nice to go and see her again and just sort of chat to Patrick again so I turn up and she knew that I wanted to speak to Patrick and she said oh a woman's here she's got dark curly hair and brown eyes and

she's quite short and she's very forthright very determined oh it's your mother-in-law so I said no no no my mother-in-law was blonde and she was quite tall and she was very gentle we ended up having a bit of a standoff medium and, because the medium kept on saying, no, it's your mother-in-law. And I say, no, it isn't. No, it isn't. And in the end, the medium said, oh, well, we'd better park that. And then just as she said that, I suddenly said, oh, it just sounds like Patrick's mother. And of course, I had never known Patrick's mother. Patrick's mother had died before I'd met him. So I was thinking of the mother of my first husband, whom I'd been very fond of.

And then everything she said about this woman was utterly right. And she said, oh, and the woman looks as though she's dressed for a wedding. And I said, well, yeah, you know, Patrick's son is going to be getting married. And she said, oh, she's very pleased about that. But I just thought that was extraordinary because the medium kept her ground, even though I was being really stupid. Also, a woman I had never met in this physical life

was coming to give me a message, which, you know, I hadn't really realized could happen. I think that's beautiful. More like Mandy, who will sit next to somebody on an airplane and be like, hey, you know, I know I don't know you, but you're someone, you're getting a message. Oh, I hope I sit next to you on an airplane, Mandy, to tell you where you're flying to work.

Yeah, go to the same grocery store as Mandy. You might get a reading. Okay, I'll try. Well, I have been to Colorado. It's a beautiful state. It is so beautiful. You know, I loved how you added into your book kind of the positives and the negatives that went along with your grief.

You talked about even physical effects that you had, like memory loss and how over time memories would come back. What other things did you go through during your grief? I mean, to start with, I couldn't eat. And I mean, I'd lost a huge amount of weight and I continued to lose weight. Not only could I not eat, but I just didn't want to eat. I wasn't interested in food. I was very lucky that I had friends and family who would come round and actually sit me down and put a dish of something in front of me. I ended up, in fact, having quite a few of those sort of liquid meals that are sold for the elderly because I could just about digest those. I could hardly digest proper food and obviously you know it slowly calmed down

and slowly came back. I felt as though I had lost all my boundaries. I just felt as though I was an amorphous blob of liquid. I had a very deep lake of dark water inside me which churned. It was a very strange feeling and a very uncomfortable feeling. And meditation helped with that. In fact, I found that the only way that I could still this terrible churning inside me was meditation. And of course, I couldn't sleep and it has taken sort of until now really for me to get back to my rather good sleep pattern that I used to have when Patrick was in the bed so that has taken a long time to come back. That part of the book really grasped me because you said you felt like no boundaries and that sometimes you would even,

what was it, like take really cold showers or baths to just be able to feel like your body. Yeah, because I think you completely lose your sensory awareness of your body. Something like very cold water would at least give you some feeling grief is horrendous but you know you can get through it and I found that the best way of getting through it was just to absolutely and totally live in the moment which you know of course we're all told to do and which is really really difficult but the only way I could sort of survive was just by thinking whatever that might be lunch or somebody's coming around or somebody's going to give me a phone call so I think okay so I've just got to survive until an hour's time when whatever is going to happen happens and I literally just

sort of divided the day into very small chunks and just thought about that tiny chunk that I had to get through. How long was it from when he passed and then you started receiving the first messages? How long was that? I suppose I had messages from him which I didn't really recognize as such quite soon after he passed. I in the immediate aftermath when I think I was totally numb and immersed in grief I wasn't conscious of anything happening around me and I guess that it was probably about six weeks after that somebody said ask for a feather ask for a feather ask for a feather on the train because they knew I was going to get a train and so the next day I had asked for a feather on the train because they knew I was going to get a train and so the next day

I had asked for a feather on the train and the carriage was quite crowded but I could see a couple of empty seats just at the far end so I walked up quickly and sat down with a sigh of relief on one of the empty seats and I just glanced down at the seat next to me and there was a feather and in retrospect of course that was a sign there was nothing in the carriage that would have caused a feather to be there but you know at the time coincidence yes yeah I kept thinking that you had so many signs why is it that as humans we are so skeptical of these things? I don't know. And I mean, it's quite strange because I was brought up in the Church of England, which I think is called the Episcopalian Church in the States. So in theory, you know,

Christians believe in an afterlife. But in practice, we're sort of taught to be very materialistic aren't we and rational and I read a lot you know trying to make sense of what was happening and trying to make sense of Patrick's death and I started reading all about quantum mechanics and things and I realized that there is just so much we are totally incapable of understanding and there's so much that seems irrational but happens you know quantum entanglement and all of that and I thought well yeah we're really silly to be so blinkered and just believe what we can see in front of us and can explain. Yeah. And I think that I didn't want to stay in my grief. I had to take care of my kids. I wanted

to be strong for my family. And then, so I kept myself busy, busy, busy, distracted, distracted, distracted. You're not present enough to see maybe the feather. So I definitely with my dad, I was a little bit more present because I was going through mindfulness classes and all the things. But I see people who try to push that grief away. And I think that that actually separates them from the opportunity to actually receive the signs or see the signs or make that connection. So it seems like you were really accepting of the grief, allowing yourself to grieve.

I did just let myself succumb to the grief. And in fact, you know, the doctor offered me various pills and potions. Right, that too. If I'd had to look after children, or if I'd had to carry on with the job, then I'm quite sure that I would have taken these pills and potions as a way of coping. But I didn't have any of that. I said, no, thank you. Because I thought, you know, I'm not ill. This is not a medical problem. This is a life problem or a death problem. I always wanted to feel the grief, because I felt that if I felt it, then it wouldn't last so long, if that makes sense to you she was dealing with this during COVID as well so when the world slowed down you know I was actually one of the very few people who really benefited from lockdown and for most people it was a horrendous time. And for me, it sort of happened a year after Patrick had died.

I'd had this year when I'd been in a deep, dark valley, if you like, and I gradually started to clamber out of it. But I was still very tender and fragile. And so having the opportunity just to be without any social pressure was actually really helpful for me many of their cultures do that they take that time to grieve yeah and I hate to say well lockdown worked for me because I just know that for so many people it didn't work but it helped me it gave me that buffer if you like yeah I just really enjoyed how you added in like the positives that you were able to see within your grief and the negatives like one of the negatives was when people ask how are you doing well do you know in the end I sort of worked

out what I could say because I didn't feel that I could say, oh, I'm fine, which I knew is what they wanted me to say because then they wanted to carry on talking about something else. And so they didn't want me to say, well, I'm just, I'm lost in grief and I'm missing Patrick terribly and I feel incomplete. And so I would just say, oh, I'm living day by day. And that was enough for them to then sort of push the conversation on. But I felt that I was being honest because that's what I was doing. Do you have the book in front of you? Yeah.

Can you do me a favor and go to page 85 and start with his loss? Okay. His loss is like a heavy stone within my being. Its sharp edges have been worn away with time. And so now it is rounded and is noielding and seems a bitter weight to carry a bitter weight but one I would not be without because it also carries my memories of Patrick and my past happiness and it will accompany me as I walk into my future happiness I loved that what a beautiful way that describes grief you know it's sharp edged rock and then it's tumbled. And over time it becomes like a smoother rock, but sometimes it still shows its jagged edges. And then the part about you saying you carry it to help you in the future was like, you can tell you've really worked through your grief and come out on the other side and can

be very influential and helpful to people that are dealing with grief because just in those words shows to me that unfortunately this was part of your purpose but you have found blessings in it and a way to go on yes I have I mean as I say, I wouldn't be without this sense of loss, which is deep within me, because I wouldn't for a million years ever have missed knowing and loving Patrick and being loved by him. And I think that I was very, very lucky to have such a fabulous relationship. I mean, it sounds trite to say that time heals, but with time, you do actually then find a way of living. The stone of grief just becomes part of who you are. Well, I bet a lot of people are going to get off this episode if they haven't already and get the

whatsapp I don't know if you have affiliated um link or something but you should because yeah I mean I've got a website which is louisehamlin.com because everyone's going to try to go on the whatsapp and talk to their loved ones on the other side so you should be sponsored by them well you know i expect that patrick was a particularly particularly determined and stubborn man and so he was able to do it and it may well be that there are souls from the past who are full of love for the ones left behind, but can't quite manage to do that. You know, who knows? We always say they meet you where they can.

And he knew that's where he could meet you. Yes, exactly. Thinking about that, you know, the age of Aquarius, the time of technology, you know, we can use technology to connect in this way. Yes. And I mean, I did a lot of reading as I have said and I discovered that in the literature there are quite a lot of examples of people who have passed then communicating by telephone or by email I haven't found anybody else who's communicated by whatsapp but you know no doubt it has happened yeah i will i will continue to happen and isn't it great that we've got all these technologies that that spirit can then take advantage of amazing yeah i mean why wouldn't they be i mean

we we don't question why you and i can see each other right now and the energy that's in between us that's going how the hell we don't question that but we question the fact that our loved ones want to talk to us and send a sign I know I know and everything is energy isn't it it is what kind of lawyer were you that's a property lawyer and a tax lawyer. I mean, you can't get much drier than that, can you? Love it. And how about Patrick? He was a barrister and a judge. He did common law, which meant quite a wide range of things. Planning law, contract law. Yeah, a wide range of stuff. I'm surprised he didn't try to reach you through like taxes or numbers he was more numerate than I was there were some numbers in those messages on the whatsapp

tell them one more time your website and where they can get your book I shall yes so the book is whatsapp's from heaven me, Louise Hamlin. And you can get it from Amazon or Barnes & Noble or you can order it from any bookshop. And my website is louisehamlin.com. Yeah, and I invite people to email into my website with their stories. And I've had lots of really lovely stories. So that's been nice. Oh, I love that. How would you say that your life is since your husband passed? It sounds like there's been a big shift in your life, spiritually anyways. I think there

has been, Shanna. And you know what? I sort of felt impelled to write the book. And I found it very easy to write. I just sat down and wrote it. And then the first publisher I sent it to accepted it and felt that Patrick was behind this. I felt that Patrick wanted me to tell the world. Yeah, because he was shocked. He was like, she's got to tell people this. And it's so intriguing because people that are in your professional position are usually very facts and science minded. And we keep hearing it through a guest that we have on that science and spirituality are getting married. It's really becoming one thing. And it's very beautiful to see people shifting. Yes and one of the reasons I wrote the book as well was because I wanted to validate the experience of other people who have been bereaved and

think that they've seen signs but then haven't liked to tell anybody for fear of being thought crazy and I found that a lot of people when I I've spoken to them, have sort of said, well, yeah, actually, I've never told anybody this. But after so-and-so died, then this happened. Yeah, we must tell the world. Yes. And guess what? If you're crazy, then I want to have crazy friends like you. Well, likewise. well likewise and now it's time for break that shit down oh my goodness me well I guess that love is everything and love comes in sort of all different sorts of shapes and size and now I not only have my wonderful love with Patrick, which still survives, but love for my family and love my friends. But yes, open yourself to love and enjoy

receiving love as well. Let yourself receive it. And get yourself a WhatsApp. Yeah. You've been wonderful. Thank you so much for coming on and for putting yourself out there and being authentic. Well, thank you both. And I think that you're doing a wonderful thing with your podcast. I really do. Mandy, Shanna, thank you so much. I really love talking to you.

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