Sense of Soul - The Divine Union of Twin Flames

Episode Date: August 23, 2024

Today on Sense of Soul we have Twin flames Iseluleko aka Íse and Isis Ma'at El 0. Together they created The Divine Man Channeling Experience, The Hopi Brothers, a benevolent collective of Native American men, speak through pure channel Isis, and support modern men in remembering and reclaiming their original and honorable masculinity. As the husband and partner to Isis, Íse guides this one-of-a-kind interactive experience through storytelling, modeling, and instrumental instruction, wherein men are able to create who they'd like to be in our world as noble men, husbands, fathers, and leaders. You may remember Íse on Sense of Soul in prior also known as Kiko Ellsworth, he is the founder of The Divine Man: Men's Self-Mastery Program. He’s an Emmy Award-winner and inspirational speaker who has appeared in hundreds of TV shows, commercials, voice overs, and films- opposite other major stars such as Will Smith, Keifer Sutherland, Martin Lawrence, Eric Roberts, Danny Trejo, and others- spanning his 20+ year entertainment career. His beautiful Twin Flame Isis channels a collective of Earth Spirits. She receives information from collectives of energy, such as Ascended Masters, Earth Spirits, Elementals, ETs, and Angels. Every message that comes forth is a message from higher frequencies, every word pours forth as heavenly truth, and she is a humble medium through which these messages can alter and uplift a person's human experience for the rest of their life. Through consistent spiritual practice, constant mental discipline, and collaboration with Divine Plant Medicine Teachers and her Divine Masculine counterpart, her services continue to grow exponentially, deeply aligned in the energies of love, compassion, inner-standing, and higher consciousness. To honor and support you and your journey. https://www.isisinspires.com https://www.iseluleko.com www.senseofsoulpodcast.com

Hello, my soul-seeking friends. It's Shanna. Thank you so much for listening to Sense of Soul podcast, enlightening conversations with like-minded souls from around the world, sharing their journey of finding their light within, turning pain into purpose, and awakening to their true sense of soul. If you like what you hear, show me some love and rate, like, and subscribe. And consider becoming a Sense of Soul Patreon member, where you will get ad-free episodes, monthly circles, and much more. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sense of Soul, we have the divine union of Issei and Isis. You may have heard Issei on Sense of Soul in prior episodes.

He's also known as Kiko Ellsworth. Issei is the founder of the Divine Man Men's Self-Mastery Program. He's also an Emmy Award winner and international speaker. His beautiful twin flame Isis is a channel to a collective of earth spirits. She deeply aligns in the energies of love, compassion, inner standing, and higher consciousness to honor and support you in your journey. And together, they created the Divine Man Channeling Experience. Isis and Issei guide this one-of-a-kind interactive experience through storytelling, modeling, and instrumental instruction, wherein men are able

to create who they'd like to be in our world as noble men, husbands, fathers, and leaders. Please welcome these beautiful twin flames, Isay and Isis. Hola, Isis. This is Shanna. Shanna, this is Isis, my wife. Hi, Shanna. Twin flame, all that good stuff. No, a divine partnership. I'm so very happy. Are you not going by Kiko? Because people wanted to call you Kiko. Is it Isay? Oh, yeah. That was a while ago. Yeah, I totally have changed, migrated, just transformed into my spiritual name, which has been like a 20

year long process. So yeah, I go by Issei, short for Isseleleku, and she goes by Isis. And I still have my company name, Kiko, on my driver's license, but I've given connected with like your name before. And then as I went into my spiritual journey, I realized my first name means the possessor of hidden wisdom. And my last name is Vavra. So the Vav in the Hebrew alphabet is the sixth letter of the alphabet. It means connection, the Vav. And so it's a unification. And then Ra, of course.

So now I even chant my name, my last name. Oh, that's beautiful. That's hot. Yeah, so I don't have to change my name now, now that I am so connected with it. That's amazing. Yeah. I must've did that before I came here. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I talk about that all the time. I talk about, one of the best things I did as a soul is I chose powerful, intuitive women to surround myself with, whether it be like my, you know, my mother or best friends and then my other wife and now my wife and now my former wife and my current wife are now like

almost best friends or best friends or whatever. You're not almost best friends. She is my best friend. She is my sister. I'm just being honest. That was the best thing. That was the best thing I did that like surround myself by intuitive women because that's like the best protection the best guidance you know because i knew i was going to fuck up i knew i was going to make a mess but then having women to like that you could trust to guide you back onto your path as a man was very important for me you know as as the masculine is trying to like regain our consciousness on this planet and our direction. Which you did.

I mean, and the honor. And I think just the testament to that work is Issei's relation with his former wife and the fact that we are best friends and she is like my soul sister. It's incredible because they were able to find a really beautiful way to complete their marriage in a way that honored both of them. And that's something that's so, it feels so out of this world, you know, in today's, you know, modern template of what, you know, divorce or completing a marriage looks like. Like they really upped their game and it made it really just almost effortless for me to enter the space and to connect with her in a way that benefited all of us, including our children. So, you know, it's something I've considered lately and I've had a friend on, I had her on my podcast talk about this, is, you know, originally when marriage was created, it was not really a beautiful thing for women. You know, it really was a contract you were going to be given to this family, basically, to breed. You know, it really bothered me in many ways. You know, when I learned the true history, which was related to marriage, and when I think about divorce, right, there's all of these things that are connected to that as well.

I mean, for instance, I had an aunt who was kicked out of the church for 30 years, you together in a more sacred way and also knowing when this relationship's no longer serving me, but yet I still love you and I spent all these years with you when I did love you. And how can we separate consciously and still be respectful and loving. Yeah. That wasn't my experience growing up with my parents with the way that they, you know, ended their marriage. So I was extremely like guarded. You know, we were about a month into our reconnection and I came up to visit Issei for my birthday and Christine came out and she just had an arm full of gifts and this huge hug. My former wife, Christine.

And it just, like the matrix was just exploding all over me. I'm like, what is happening? when we're able to heal and really, I think, put your relation with someone into a new container the way that they did, which was really as brother and sister. And, you know, Isay, you can speak to that if you wish to. But I saw that respect and I saw that care and the fact that they were still family, but it just looked completely different. The roles were changed. Yeah, yeah. We're still, you know, I think that's a huge thing for the West to learn, right? Is that there's the family element,

but then there's the tribal element. And like, we're learning how to get back as a tribe. And it's like, just because me and my former wife are not romantic anymore, we're not in that sort of relation anymore, doesn't mean that either one of us leaves the tribe. We still function as a tribe. We still take care of each other. We still have that agape love, that brother-sister love. I still have a duty as a man to take care of my sister and the mother of my child. And I still have honor and morals and values for myself

as a man to do the right thing because I want to have pride in the type of life that I live by the time I look back over my life. So I think that that's, you know, at the, at the core, at the foundation of it, like to, to like really see that. And this is a part of our men's teachings too. Like when you see a pretty girl down the street or when you see your wife, like before you see her butt, before you see her breasts, before you see her sexually, see your sister first, train your brain to like acknowledge that's my sister first. And then, yeah, she happens to be pretty. And maybe I want to ask her on a date. Yes. But first, let me train my brain to see, hey, this is my sister first. And the first thing that I want to do is I want to protect and respect her. Let me just, all right, cool. And then maybe I'll,

you know, go to the other aspect of it. But that's a part of like the retraining of the masculine here is to like, honestly, see our sister first, see that agape love, see that platonic love and to, you know, and to therefore see ourselves as honorable men and really to remind ourselves who we are before this, this carnal, you know, material, physical, sometimes we can be lustful body vessel that we're in, controlling our emotions as opposed to these emotions controlling us and how we behave. Yeah. The very first night that we had, we didn't even go out on a date. He just came to my home for dinner and he was spending the night as he was traveling from southern california to central california and so you already know i was like looking at the bed i know what was going

i didn't know what was gonna go down my kids were on a sleepover they knew it was gonna go down i had intentions but the brother just like took me by the face and he kissed me on the forehead and he's like i'm gonna sleep on the couch and i'm like okay okay great he sleeps on the couch and the next day i wake up and i look out on the couch and he's sitting there meditating and i'm like right here like you know what i mean like you know he's he's just he was so in this space and it was a beautiful thing because a few months later my biological daughter now our daughter asked me she said so where did he say That was like a couple of days later. That was right because she spent the night away. And then she literally asked. It was like the next day.

She wanted to know. She was a 10 at the time. So she was like, where did he sleep? And I could look right at her and say, on the couch. And it was true. And so the very beginning of our connection, after we reconnected in this lifetime, it was all about that kind of love. And he put me in this space where he respected me and he started loving me from, you know, from the top down, from my mind, from my spirit, from my soul, from the essence of who I am. And then, you know, the physical connection came later.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's so like imperative. Like I saw her and loved her because, you know, she's my twin flame, but I think for any man in my experience and as women, we learned how to fall in love with each other's soul and to really put that as a priority and how to allow the process

to happen, to unfold very, very slowly, as slow as it could be, to enjoy and love aspects of her that came before the sexual stuff. The mind, her desires, her voice, her pains, her traumas, her spiritual connection, her practices, what she likes, what she doesn't like, her pains, her traumas, her spiritual connection, her practices, her, you know, what she likes, what she doesn't like, you know, her opinion, you know, what she's hiding, what she really, what she's scared of, like all those things that are so important to really have a deeper connection so that when you finally get to the sexual connection, things are really starting to truly open up at the deepest, deepest level. So she truly would really want me to penetrate her in every single way, not just with my penis. I've been penetrating her mind and if she's

wanting to receive me in her mind and her spirit and her emotions, because I've invested in that. And that's the most attractive to me. And I think for a lot of men, we've been conditioned to think that this is the most important. This is great. But like what's really, really attractive and really powerful for a man and a woman is the the acknowledgement of who we are, like how we intrinsically fit together. Like men and women talk about, well, I don't need a man. I don't need a woman. And it's like, okay, yes and no. No, you don't need a man or a woman to survive, even to thrive and do some great things in your life. The yes, where we do need each other is that there's an interesting dynamic that happens when the yin actually comes back into fusion with the yang, when you have the yin-yang together, there is an indomitable force field, an aura, a chi that's created because these two polarities,

the negative and the positive of a battery, when they come together, there's a larger force that neither one of us can create individually. You had to find that within yourself first. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so when we come together, like we, we can go much higher than either one of us could have done separately. You know, like, so in that way, men and women, like we do need each other. If you want to rise to heights that, that go beyond what you're personally capable of, you do need your opposite partner. If you only want to go to a certain level, then fine.

Yeah, you can do it on your own. But when you go together, it's beyond what any one of us could do individually. As the earth plane rises and expands in consciousness, you're seeing a lot more twin flames coming together because when you have that perfect balance of the masculine and the feminine, you have creation. So these balances are being brought to the surface for the express purpose of creation. And that creation can be in whatever modality, you know, it speaks to you and your partner. For us, it's our work together, you know, our practices. And we were both committed to these practices in the solo realm. You know, Issei was doing, he was doing workshops.

He was writing all kinds of curriculum. He was leading, you know, all kinds of. Yeah. Self-defense everything creative work yeah so many different things and then for me personally i was in the space of doing my channeling and medium work but it was like i was kind of in the closet, so to speak. Like I was very much guarding it. It was very precious. It felt too intimate to bring out with any kind of, I would say, honesty or transparency. Because it's a very intimate thing to say, I'm a medium, I'm a channel, I'm receiving information from the other side.

And I'm bringing it earthside to these souls. I have clients who are sitting with me, and they're getting priceless information about their past lives, their childhoods, things that they're getting stuck with, all of these different aspects. So that was my healing modality. But for me in the feminine, I felt like I couldn't bring that forward without the divine masculine protection. And I could have continued to do it on that smaller scale, which is a beautiful thing, but in past lives and, you know, all of the different instances where those gifts had come forth and then I was ostracized, burned at the stake, you know, all those things, like those were actual experiences that I'm sure you're familiar with when women, the female sage is destroyed because the nature

of her power. So for me personally, I can say that I needed to have the divine masculine hold that space in the physical and in his vision, in his mind, so that I could relax and say, okay, let's bring these gifts out and let's really serve together the best that we can do. Yeah, babe. And I'm just imagining like the eclipse right now. You guys are like the perfect example of a solar eclipse right now. It took a lot to get to this. Yeah. I know it did. And you know what?

Issei's been on twice before and I definitely recommend listeners go back and listen to his story and his development over the years. I mean, it's just amazing and beautiful. But you know, I heard something and I think Issei will be interested in it. I don heard something, and I think Isis, she'll be interested in it.

I don't know, maybe you already know this, but I don't know if you know the author of Wheels of Life, Anadeya Judith. She's wrote a bunch of books, but she had told me that the word virgin is not actually what we know. The original definition of virgin was self-sufficient individual woman, like someone who was standing strong in their own. And so, which is so interesting because it turned into Mother Mary. And right. But there are so many divine goddesses who also were virgins. Mother Mary. Right.

And who were self-sufficient. And so for women just coming into this, do you know someone sent me the other day? It's only been 50 years, 50 years. I'm almost 50. It's only been 50 years since women have been able to get credit without a man's signature. Wow. I mean, so this is something we are just adapting to, you know, coming into our own, using our voice and feeling comfortable in even our sacredness, even in our divinity. It's been a long time, you you know and y'all used to

run the world and we used to honor and revere you we used to praise and have statues and sacred figures of the divine feminine because you're so powerful you're so powerful and i can acknowledge that you have a power that we men don't have and And some men will hear this and be like, well, would you talk? That's the part that caused the problem is our ego. The part that actually gets either offended or the part that actually gets insecure about when I say that a woman has a power that a man doesn't have. That doesn't mean that we're weaker. It doesn't mean any of that stuff. It's just acknowledging the truth, really, you are the portal of life. You literally are the portal, the channel, the channel by which souls can come from another dimension, fifth dimension and come into the third dimension with that needs to be honored, protected and respected flat out, flat

out. You are the portal, you know? So it's very natural for a woman to be a channel and to get messages as well. She's delivering, you guys are delivering souls. So why not get messages as well? You are intrinsically connected to the divine. And if I was the creator in its entirety, I'd say, okay, well, you, you're going to have a special power because you literally are the first protector of life, the deliverer of life, the first protector of life. I'm going to give you a power that nobody has because you're the, you have a very special mission. And then my job is to protect you. You know, that's, that's honorable, you know, and a lot of men have lost their, their fricking honor. They, they,

this, their minds are scrambled. We don't know who they are. They're distracted with this, distracted with that, distracted by trying to get a woman, trying to get likes, trying to get the money, trying to get, and I'm not saying those things are not, but like those are not the priority. Like it's time in this era for us as men to remember who we are and to lead a life that we can be proud of. So when we're done, we look back and say, I'm proud of the choices. I'm proud of my mistakes and I'm proud of how I cleaned up my mistakes and got my ass on my track and got myself going. And what I learned because I made my mistakes and what I taught because I taught from those mistakes, that's the wisdom that I gave to the world. That's the type of life that we all want to live. Each man has different mistakes,

different messes, different things, different wisdom to pull from, to teach so he can, you know, live an honorable life so he can contribute. So, and I think it's just, you know, and that one of that first to remember that our duty is to protect and respect you and to lead properly. And the divine family is key. The divine family is the top of the food chain, if you will. It's the mother and the father and the child. It's the mother and the father and the child, because without the mother and father and child, nobody would be here. Everyone came into conception by a mother and a father, and then there's a child. That is to be protected and respected as the top, because that's how the billions and billions, all of human life since the very beginning has gotten here. And right now, it's like the attack on the family. It's like, Oh, this, that, that we've just given honor and protection

to the divine family, because that is the way forward. I believe throughout eternity to be able to secure human life on this planet and whatever dimension is that masculine feminine mother, father, child, mother, father, child, you know, and bring it in balance. And so, Oh my God, I love you. I says you're a lucky lady, right? But that divine family is such a big part of my journey. Cause I mean, you know, father, son, and Holy ghost. Are you kidding me? It is father, mother, right? And then son. I mean, the fact that that's been taken out and it's just coming to surface now that we're reclaiming this so we can actually have a new foundation built on something, something that is equal and just. We're out of balance.

Yeah. Yeah. That's the only look. That's the only, look, that's the only problem. And I'd love, I'd love to jump back to, you know, what, what you're talking about, Shanna, as far as the, the balance and, you know, and then me being lucky. And I, and I love that you say that, but at the same time, I think what's even a bigger takeaway is the idea that it's actually possible that men are coming into this renaissance of their mind. They're rebirthing themselves. And there's been so much distraction

and they're full-blown assaults upon the male mind. When you look at the advertising, the music, the idea that to surround themselves with a bevy of women and then the women see themselves, they're now attacked because they're made something, they're just made a body. It's really- Image and pornography. Pornography is- The image and pornography. To see a woman as a piece of meat or something that you use for the receptacle or the thing that's supposed to hold a man's semen, that's what you go for. And to have these women around you, that's the assault upon the mind of the man, first of all, because if he starts to see a woman in that degraded way, that's him also seeing himself in a degraded way. And then we ourselves as women, if we don't have someone, for example, like Issei or, you know, the other divine men that we may be in contact with, how are we to know it's even possible? How are we to know that it's possible to have someone who shows up for you,

for himself and his own spiritual path first, and then show up for you? And I think this is really where I want to drop in a little bit into our personal experience about what that takes to know. Because if you don't have the knowledge, it's like you can't even envision it or create it in your mind. So it's like, you know, it's in the mind first. It's your thoughts, your feelings, and your actions. So if we as women take action as though we feel and know that a man or a partner like this is possible in our experience, then it is. It comes into fruition. They arrive as a reflection of my knowing that I was worthy when I had not been worthy before. And I did not treat myself as worthy before.

And I put up with so much. I looked the other way. I did not honor my intuition. I was denigrated. I was ignored. I was beyond unsupported. I was the antithesis of support. I experienced that. And so it took me and my mind and my shifting of what was possible to see before I could feel it. And then it came into actual physical form. Oh my God, i love you i love you too is that twin flame girl is that twin flame you know

our story began when our souls began and so we entered a beautiful space in which we were learning and teaching he was protecting me i was channeling an ancient kemet he actually took a knife for me because somebody didn't like what i was channeling yeah the wisdom that was coming through there can be hard truths coming through yeah that we do yeah so there were hard truths coming through and somebody went to stab me and isay took the knife and i i nursed him back to health and held him. And we as ancient lovers have gone through a myriad of lifetimes. And then it came to a point where we were actually divided because of a choice that I made. And basically, shall I go into it? It's the time, right? Let's drop in.

Let's do it. We had a child. And in this lifetime of ours, our child passed due to an illness. And in my selfishness and in my grief, I actually took my life and when that happened it basically shattered Issei's soul he and I were then almost instantly divided and I couldn't reach him from the non-physical I didn't after that happened in that lifetime I literally never wanted anything to do with her because there's there's nothing in my experience just yet that was worse than your twin flame, what we call also our soul signature, leaving you or betraying you. You're in this creative life together. You're doing the work and then they will kill themselves.

Your child dies and then you're left to live this life of torture for 40 plus years by yourself, you know, knowing that you can't kill yourself because you know that you can't do that. And then knowing that you have to stay and manage and negotiate. So I was like done. So we have many, many lifetimes of us being separate. And so what happens, and this is for any of the listeners now, what happens with a suicide cycle is you'll enter a suicide cycle and then essentially every lifetime you will be presented with similar situations that will cause you to want to take your life. And the more that you do it, the harder it gets.

And it just compounds and compounds with every single lifetime. So in this lifetime, I needed to enter the human experience, the child of a single mom who is experiencing challenges with addiction. Essentially, I entered the body and was assaulted very, very early on in my infancy by one of her, a couple of her boyfriends, all in like drug stupors, things like that. So essentially, I had to experience this lifetime of isolation and abandonment and pain and essentially not being protected for roughly 42 years in order to balance all of the years that Issei was alone after I left him. And so it came to a culminating break when my first husband was diagnosed with stage four cancer. And in the two years,

a year and a half, almost two years between his diagnosis and his crossing over, I was back in the space of caring for him and taking care of him. And when he crossed, so many things were coming up. There was all kinds of trauma. There was abandonment trauma, betrayal trauma, the trauma of my marriage falling apart, the trauma of my husband dying in my arms, you know, all of these pieces were happening. But what made it beyond intense was that as he was crossing over spirit spoke to me and said you know this is your son this was the son that that passed yeah in the original lifetime in the original where she took her life and then she left me it yeah, it was like a death of my marriage,

my husband, and my child, three in one. And I needed to move through that and basically piece together my heart. And he came through the very first night after he crossed, and as a medium, he began communicating with me instantly. And he was the one who said to me, you know, days would go by, he would speak to me every day. And just, I have hundreds of pages written down, you know, of all of the messages that he was delivering. He was the one who said, you are going to marry again and it will be soon and people will judge you and he will love the children as though they are his own. He will walk in and he will support you. It will be

a blessed reunion. It will be this. It will be that. You shattered his heart. You had to pay it back. This and this and this. He is divine. He will be on his own spiritual path. You've met him before. You've loved him for years. I'm getting information from him, from my first husband who passed, telling me everything about the husband that's to come. So in my mind, Shanna, I knew there was a man who would support me despite all of these things that I thought were wrong, despite this sexual trauma that I had from being assaulted as a baby. All of those pieces, all of those places where I felt small and tiny and broken and ashamed. My first husband was saying, I couldn't love you and support you the way that you needed, but guess what? He

will. So I knew without a shadow of a doubt, he was on his way. And then six months after my first husband passed, we started getting into the trauma work and we started confronting each other and having like hundreds of ceremonies and crying and crying and crying. People think that twin flames and stuff is all beautiful. Yes, it can. But you got to like work for it. You got to excavate all that beauty because your twin flame was there since the very beginning. So, you know, the stuff that needs to go is all the trauma. So like that's the person that was there. So they're going to help you stuff that needs to go is all the trauma so like

that's the person that was there so they're going to help you get it get it get it out i mean that's really what we and we continue to do but like that first year and a half was you know over a hundred and hundreds of ceremonies and confrontations and looking at things and tears and purging and and balancing and speaking our truths and learning how to get this flowing again and allowing, rebuilding the trust and allowing this person to see things and exposing things and revealing everything so that we could have that intrinsic trust. Because when the divine feminine unites and combines and forces itself with the divine masculine, this connection is unassailable. Yin and yang, there's nothing that assails yin and yang unless they're divided.

Once they're forged again together, they're unassailable. Nothing can rise above that. So that has to be that trust and that respect and that honor and that protection between the two. It's so beautiful. This is like there should be a movie about this. that trust and that respect and that honor and that protection between the two. It's so beautiful. This is like, there should be a movie about this. It's on the list of things to do for sure.

Maybe one day they will be. Maybe there will be. Well, the funny thing is, okay, so this is the very human part of it, Shanna. So we actually, it was so interesting because when my first husband was telling me, he's like, you've met him before. You've loved him for, you know, you've loved him for years. I was like, what's he talking about? I was like, I didn't even, because spirit wanted it to be organic, wanted it to kind of come up. But I had moved back to LA, I think about two or three months after my first husband passed. And my girlfriend says to me, I want you to have dinner with this friend of mine.

He is a weirdo just like you. End quote. And I'm like, okay, all right. And she says his name. She said Kiko at the time. And I remembered all of a sudden just everything just went because we actually met in 2018 randomly in a ralph's parking lot we saw spirit does these things right we just met each other that's when she was actually married and we talked in the parking

lot for like 15 minutes and i remember getting her number full respect because I knew she was married and I remember I entered her phone number into my phone as her name at that time was Amber so I said it was Amber I entered Amber Indigo was her daughter and Troy with a two next to it because it was little Troy the son and big Troy the husband I entered the entire family's name in there because that's how I was training my brain to think about her with the respect that she's a family woman, even though I thought she was beautiful and radiant, all that stuff. And then we didn't see each other again for four years until our friend, our mutual friend got us together again. Yeah. And we met and we were just like dancing in the parking lot because I'm a screenwriter he's a producer an actor and we all were both inspirational speakers you know all of these pieces were just like we were just

really in the humble beginnings of the ralph's parking lot just kind of dancing with each other just connecting as you know isay calls it in that agape love. And so when our friend brought us together to have dinner, in the first 20 minutes, I was still just kind of bruised. Very much of my masculine had been on my own, had moved my family across the country for my first husband's cancer treatment and moved us again into a house that was one story because he couldn't go upstairs anymore and moved us back across the country. And I was very like brusque.

All that led us to working through all this trauma and then finding out, oh my God, we actually love, we have this work together. We have this mission together we have this this healing work together we both you know have have on the on the plant medicine journey with both healers we're both shamans we're both you know speakers we both love inspiring people we started bringing together naturally our modalities and now we actually hold one to two day workshops for for men and women and co-ed that's called the divine channeling experience where I bring my work together. She brings her work together with the channeling and we create these transformational experiences for men and women and, and, and trainings and corporate and stuff like that, private groups, all sorts of things. So, but when Jamie, I hadn't

had an idea, we had no idea. No idea. idea no idea yeah and i would so at the time i was still so as i as i mentioned earlier you know with the channeling i was very like oh i don't know if i can and he's like let's go like bring it mind you but mind you when our friend got us together in 2022 at her house to for the if you will, when she was masculine and whatnot, literally at 45 minutes into that, that, that reunion at our friend's house, we sat down, like I got, I got her out of her masculine by literally said, you know, I took her from the kitchen and I said, Hey, can we, can we go over here? And I took her hand. I took her to the living room and I said, would you like to sit down on the ground?

And I got her a pillow because I wanted to sit down on the ground, cross leg, get that whole deal. And so I took the lead as the mascot and I created the safe space for and I laid it out and she kind of fell into her feminine. 45 minutes into it, like she was she was channeling the Hopi brothers because she channels the Hopi Native American Indian men. She channels the Divine Feminine Collective and she channels the Star Seed Support Unit so but that day when we got reconnected the first time she channeled the Hopi brothers and she was making all these faces and trying to hold them back because she was still embarrassed yeah she hadn't had support and nothing like that but mind you like I'm like I love it I love you know this thing my first wife was a was a medium she's channeled a

little bit but didn't really like it. But she did more medium stuff. And so they started coming through and she was holding them back. I'm like, look, the Hopi brothers, they obviously want to say something to me. They got something to say. They're coming through. Like, let them talk. I want to hear what the fuck they got to say.

Forget you. Like, what are my brothers going to say to me? So she started channeling right there. Kids running around the house, a couple there. And she was channeling the Hopi right there on the ground on our first date, so to speak. And now we have support with these events, putting together these events, these workshops where like our last one, we have events specifically for men. And we do it like usually with a smaller group. So each man can get individualized attention from the Hopi brothers. So we usually do like 14 to 20 men max, you know, with guys. And we'll do these workshops, these one to two day workshops where we take men through my vast experience with like artist artistry and Kundalini yoga as a teacher i take them through these experiences that really loosen up and expand their physical vessel their mental vessel their voice their breath work their

body to get their body actually primed for this deep wisdom from beyond the veil so we get them really really warmed up and there's just breakthroughs from that alone because a lot of these men don't even move their bodies they don't even like use their voice because there's just breakthroughs from that alone. Cause a lot of these men don't even move their bodies. They don't even like use their voice because there's no safe space out there to just yell like a lion on the top of the mountain. You know, these safe spaces have to be created. So I do this sort of, and we do breath work. I do movement work and stuff like that. So I lead the way with that. And then that gets them really, really primed and ready to receive this deep wisdom. And then they, and then we actually move into like the channel and then that's for the next, you know, maybe a couple of hours. And these men are receiving this deep wisdom as a group and then individual for the ones that actually have that

sort of, you know, either courage or the one to actually look at things in their life or ask questions, you know, they, they have the opportunity to really be looked at at the deepest level. So they can clear and actually rise to their higher selves and like have like, you know, this energy, look at them and say, hey, look at this area right here. And do you want our support? And they can say no if they want. And they can say yes. I don't think one man has really said no, maybe one, but then he even ended up turning it into a yes. Yeah. He ended up a yes. I don't think one man has really said no, maybe one, but then he even ended up turning it into a yes. Yeah. He ended up turning it into a lesson. Because sometimes it's scary. It can be scary stuff. Sometimes it's stuff that we haven't seen since we were a little boy and

we've never had the container to actually look at these things and to go through it. And these men, we have these breakthroughs and then connection with the brothers and the brotherhood medicine just in and of itself is very, very healing. So, yeah, we hold those events for largely like men, but we also hold like these for women as well because women need that same support. And then we also hold it for like healers and people that support others with the Starseed Support Unit as well. Yeah, the Starseed Support Unit is, you know, just to speak to who they are the hopi brothers are my my brothers they are from a previous lifetime now i mean it all all time exists at the same time so they are my brothers and i always joke they kind of joked and called isay one time

they're like you're our brother and also our brother-in-law, which is kind of fun. They come through and there's such beautiful indigenous wisdom that comes through their guidance and what it means to be a man. And what that means is so beyond what the current modern day definition would have us think. To be a man is to be righteous, is to be the protector, is to be so truly aligned with his own path and to heal that little boy and to love himself and to forgive himself. And at the same time, know that there's nothing to be forgiven because everything is all a divine choice. It's all a divine choice for the express purpose of evolving our soul. So when we get to work with these men and tell them and show them and infuse in them

the divine mother love, that's another aspect besides the Hopi brothers, the divine mother, she comes through. And so I get to serve in that way where I'm able to connect with each of the men as the divine loving mother and give them each like a little piece about what they need from their childhood that needs to be healed so that they can truly rise into the king that they are now. That they're becoming, that they're, you know, beginning to embody for some for the very first time. Oh my God. I'm absolutely... So I'm a sucker for love stories. I'm just... Are you still melting? You know what's funny is that on your website, you say, how her, P-O-W-H-E-R, love that. But I didn't have my glasses on, which i can't see very well as i get older but i accidentally read something wrong i thought on your website it said boys to men but it said boys and men but then i was thinking to myself the boys to men

and then as you guys were just sitting here talking, you know, that song, End of the Road, where I pulled up the lyrics, we belong together, right? I don't have no time for you to be playing with my heart like this. You'll be mine forever. You just wait. We belong together. You know, I'm right. I'm like, got love songs going on in my head. I'm like, so love songs.

Why do you play with my mind? Remember that? My favorite. Oh, my God. Said we'd be forever. Said it'd never die. How could you love me and leave me and never say goodbye? And then, of course course it gets better but

I got goosebumps all over yep I also remember you know what about that boys to me ABC BBB the east coast family oh yeah taking it back going on it's it's really beautiful because and even for me as you know and you're in your experience too now of discovering who the divine feminine really is and the divine feminine is she's so i mean the divine feminine collective is multiple female ascended female masters goddess energy the the there's there's part of the divine feminine collective that is the original african mothers they are a part of them the very first time they came through it was like a parade i was on the phone with him yeah listen, there were these women and they were explosive. And so I'll usually,

if Issei's not at the home or if I'm just on the phone or I'm doing channels by myself, I'll go in the garage because they can get so loud. And I was like, wait a second, there's somebody coming. I've never worked with this energy before and they're coming. They're coming. I'm like, I got to go. And as soon as they started coming through, I was moving. I was dancing. They were so explosive with this divine feminine power. And it's like we now are realizing it's all been a lie. I think of that book, The Chalice and the Blade. The chalice is now coming back into equal balance because they are now, we are now as women, as the divine feminine, knowing that we are needed. Our guidance is needed. Our wisdom is needed. wisdom is needed the little pieces of information that we're picking up the storytelling

it's it's all to be revered and there's nothing there's nothing better than my king isay my husband saying hey babe let's drop into a channel and see if we can you know let's get some information or you know i'm like okay i mean this, well, I'll just tap on the African mothers. And I had never experienced that sort of ancient female power and wisdom. But as soon as I did, I got it. I got why in ancient times they wanted to eradicate that power, the insecure man or the heartless man. You know, I got that because it was, it's really powerful. I mean, the entire time that she was on the phone, I was like,

I was on the phone, I was just like smiling. I'm like, I'm like being filled with their energy. It is, it's radiant, it's powerful, it's moving, it's commanding. You know, it's not this whole soft goddess energy and flowing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's nothing wrong with that at all either. But what's needed in this world is that Kali, that Kali. You see that ancient goddess Kali and she's got the head of a man and she's got her tongue out like that.

It's that energy. And that's what's actually needed. The women to start, like you said earlier, the imbalance of energy, women to start reclaiming their space, to taking up their space and actually to release, apologizing for being feminine, for being female, apologizing for taking up too much space. Because what happens is women have been suppressed and trained to shrink their energy, to shrink their energy, to not be too sexual, to not be too outspoken, to not take up too much space, to not be too intuitive, to not be too psychic or too much of an oracle or not to because you might get killed right but that's that's that energy that guidance is is needed that deep wisdom is needed and once you women you females because

we teach them at a young age right once you females start really claiming your space and taking up your space that creates an energetic balance on the planet by default two energies can't occupy the same space at the same time. You recoil from the space, toxic masculinity can take up that space. You recoil from the space or masculinity is going to learn how to hold space because it's our job as masculine to remember how to hold that protective space. Like I always say to her, we protect you from the outside in, you protect us from the inside out. Our job, our task as the divine masculine, healthy masculine, that sacred masculine, that traditional, if you will, masculine is a very healthy thing. We're learning right now how to hold space again so that you can take up your proper space.

You know, we're holding that space from the physical realm, that exterior world, so that you can start to take that space up. And yes, you give us guidance from the interior world. Masters of the outer world, we are. Masters of the inner world, you are. Together, we're unassailable. So having that connection, having that balance, when women start to reclaim their space again, energetically reclaim, their voice reclaim, their physical space. That's when I was teaching years, and we're going to do it again as well, of female martial arts, female self-defense, female offense, female empowerment work, all that vocal work. The main lesson really was reclaiming your space. Sometimes you need to reclaim it physically, but the first thing is

reclaiming your intuition, reclaiming your intuition, because that is number one and foremost, the thing that we, everyone, I believe, and you've been endowed with is that feminine intuition, which is the sword, it's the shield, it's the guidance, it's the compass, it's the everything. And women learning, females learning how to reclaim and trust that, to know what that sound, that intuition, to trust it, to guide it, let it guide you and take action on every single time. So, and then we can come back into actual energetic balance on this planet. You taking up that space again, because it's yours. That's the first thing I taught our daughter.

And learning how to trust your discernment and your body again, because for women, you know, I mean, we've been looking to doctors to tell us what to do with our children or what to do when we're pregnant. You know, reading books that men wrote about, you know, how to breastfeed or, you know, what to expect when you're expecting. And it's like, instead of just trusting your own instincts, your intuition, like you said. Another thing, I feel like that toxic feminine energy also had to move through and grow through was also that lack of sisterhood. It turned into competition for women having to fight over position, the sisterhood that's been missing for so long. I mean, I know I feel it for you right now, Isis, because we're open and we're connected with that. And so we can connect with each other on this, in this place, in this space that really wasn't available before. Well, I can look at you and now that I'm in this space for me, I'm looking at you and I see a beautiful woman. I see a goddess mother and I see a healer and a wisdom keeper. And I see that because I see it for myself first. That's the piece. Because if we as women can heal,

and this is still a work in progress, of course, but to know myself as valid, as strong, as beautiful, as sexual, as powerful means that I can look at other beautiful, strong, powerful, sexual women, you know, and say, glory be to you, my sister. And that's, like I said, it's always going to be that consistent process and that evolution. But as more and more women are able to say, I see you because I can see myself. And so that competition, it just, it melts away. It melts away. I'm happy for your gifts because I'm happy for mine. So if we see that for ourselves, then it's, it's just easy. It's so simple. And we get to celebrate it in our sisters immediately. You guys are so balanced and aligned.

I mean, it's a beautiful freaking event. It's really funny that, I mean, we joke too because we'll be out and about whether it's like a festival because now there's three children between us. So, you know, we'll have multiple events or concerts or, you know, performances or things that we'll go to for our kids. And inevitably someone will ask to take a picture of us. And we laugh about that because, you know, we're like, yeah, we're very much in tune. We're very much in love. But like just a couple of nights ago, we were like trauma, you know, we got to heal this. And he, he might've been, he might have been holding me, like there's been times where I've gone back into that. And this is another podcast altogether, but the way he supported me in my most recent ayahuasca ceremony, which was my third time in in Peru, he held the space for my soul to be essentially just taken down to ground zero and

then built back up. And in so many ways where that trauma has tried to come back, we have just been like, nope, it's not happening. He's held me. I've been that six-month-old baby all over again in his arms. And he's telling me, you're safe. You're safe. I'm here. I love you. And when those little pieces have come out, where I'm like, when the dragon energy goes shadow, right? And I'm hissing, he said, hey, come here. Come here. And he's gotten so masterful at just loving me inms things that I never heard in my psyche as a young boy. So I can actually heal my mind, you know, cause we're continually healing our mind. And she is so, you know, masterful about being tuned in to what I need to hear as a boy, as a man. So I can actually build myself up properly here, my mind and my spine, so that I can

build for us with my penetrative masculine energy so I can go out and do this. She helps me build myself here. And then we also, we mother and we father each other. That's the beautiful thing about this. Many people have never really experienced the divine father energy. Most people, in my humble opinion, have never experienced the divine mother energy. Most people, in my humble opinion, have never experienced the divine mother energy. We've experienced mothers and fathers and trauma and ego and pains and parents that have all these issues. And we've experienced lineages that have alcoholism and drugs and this, this, that, and sexual abuse. And that energy comes down the lineage. We've experienced all that stuff, but none of that is the lineage

of the divine mother and the divine father. So many of us have only really experienced toxic masculinity and toxic femininity and all this violent and abusive energy. And I didn't even experience true, healed enough, healthy, balanced, loving, firm, masculine energy until I was 48. I didn't experience it until I was 48. what I've come to realize and this is through our we had an actual retreat with a lot of men and we actually held a keynote about this a workshop about this too is that when when you're in on this in this line of work and healing and ascension and awakening and enlightenment whenever you want to call it, rising. And the conversation of the divine masculine, the man who fathered me was four years younger than me, a friend of mine in Latin. He wasn't my father. That's the beauty of this. When you're able to

tap into this divine energy, whether it be divine mother energy or divine father energy, right? That divine mother and father, everything is that polar. It's the negative, the positive. It's the sun energy or the moon energy. Whatever you want to call it, it's just sun and moon. It's just negative, positive. It's just black and white. When you're able to tap into that divine father energy or that divine mother energy, you can actually give

it to anyone. It doesn't even matter. It can be her children that are not my biological children, and I can actually give them pure father love. It can be her, who's my wife, but her child in there needs the divine father love, and I can father her this sort of energy that she never got, but I can give it to her now and heal that child. Because like she said, all timelines exist at the same time. We can heal that literally right now. She can heal my little boy and give me things that I've never heard right now and actually allow ourselves to be freed up so we can actually continue to ascend. And it's just, it's really miraculous. It's really miraculous. And all it is, is going back to the divine source of that agape love that you're connecting

and remembering. I think it's just so beautiful. Yeah. You guys are so fortunate to have met again in this life. We needed to reconnect in this life to heal. It had to be this plane because we've moved through many different dimensions, many different planes of existence in the energy of being the soul signature. When the soul splits apart, there is one half that had a predominantly masculine experience and one that

has a predominantly feminine experience so we've woven in and out through multiple lifetimes multiple planes of existence but the fracturing and the division happened here on earth which i'm sure everyone is familiar with is the most challenging dimension the most challenging place in the universe energetically low vibrational all of that it's here it's earth so because that's where we were divided this was the space where we had to come back to be united once again so that we could do do our work and contribute to the elevation of this planet we're contributing like you're contributing like we're all contributing to the elevation of this planet this mother earth so we can continue to ascend so yeah this is the

remastered beautiful story of like romeo and jul Juliet without totally supplementing. I love that. Seriously, this is like freaking Shakespeare shit. I love you guys so much. I love you too. I love you. I do. Thank you for seeing this

and inviting us to be a part of this experience with you. And thank you for cultivating and curating the space where these kinds of conversations can permeate the vibration of those who are ready to listen and are ready to hear and are ready to reach and rise for their their own their own path that that will fulfill them on all of the levels i've never never felt so fulfilled being able to do this work beside Issei. And I want to say something you just said about it gives you hope.

It is the only way forward. It is so important for people to know that not only is it possible or that it gives you hope, but it's actually inevitable. It's the only way forward. Imbalance is not going to carry us forward. Toxicity is not going to carry us forward. It is imperative for women to start having this, to conceive immaculately in their mind that there is the divine man archetype and he exists and he's real and he loves me and he protects me and he honors me and he creates space for me and he listens to me and he hears my guidance and he honors and he reveres and he cherishes me and he fights for me and he stands for me to protect. He does all these things and leads properly. And I want to follow him. There is that type of divine

man out there. And that, that actually is the only way forward, regardless of what I see before me, regardless of what I see in my past, regardless of the men I'm dating, you might have to sacrifice and stop dating for a while. And to start getting clear about this in the mind that this man, this divine man, that he actually exists in the mind. And once he's conceived here, once he's really conceived, you'll start to experience him out here. And the same for the man, you know, that there is this divine woman who respects herself and that she's able to, you know, give this deep guidance and that you actually want to listen to her. And she's creative and she's sexual and she's powerful and she's intuitive and she knows and sees your blind spots. And you want to reveal yourself to her. Like there is that woman that you, that you want to trust. You want to, you want to give her the keys to your kingdom. You want to

build more than there, there is that. So once we actually conceive it here, that immaculate, that pure divine relation, you know, that precedes that anything sexual or anything earthly, you know, like one of my mentors said, it's divinity before humanity. Once we conceive that divine archetype for each other up here, and then that is what's gonna leave us forward. It's inevitable.

It's the only way forward. This world is in the middle of collapsing. It's complete and utter chaos and tyranny right now. It's going that way. Balance has to be restored for a certain period of time until we heal. So that's where I believe we're at right now, is that aspect. That co-creating again, and you guys are doing together with helping people together. And you guys even are writing a book together as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Divine love. Yep. About divine love. So that's a lot of our lived experience and, and really sort of like

put in book form what, what we've just been saying about the nature of this relation and like what it takes to find that divine love of self and that it's possible and that you know what that looks like when you start to intermingle and again and together and really creating that and that flow as divine love and to let people know that it's possible and this is you know what it flows and you can actually build and you can go beyond it's not exactly like this picture perfect situation because you will fall in love with as we did did, we were, we were, it wasn't even like we were falling in love. It's just, we were, this love was so present and in that space of love, then we could heal everything. And when something comes up, it's a duty that we owe to

ourselves, a responsibility toself to speak our truth. And if something's out of alignment, then to speak it, or if we're picking up something with the other person, we owe ourselves and that other person, well, this is what I'm noticing. And figure out how to say it in the healthiest way possible. So now we've gotten to the point where we can say things, there's very little triggers, the other person can receive it, even if it's some really tough reflections back to the person. Communication between us is so imperative between all of us. It's just imperative that we have the space to communicate our truth.

That was one of the first things before we even got romantic was I wanted to hear her voice. I wanted to make sure I heard her opinion and receive her needs and desires. I'm totally in love with you guys. We're in love with ourselves. We're in love with each other. We're in love with you. We're in love with life. We love you.

Thank you. Thank you so much for allowing us to have this exploration with you, my sisters. It's really, truly beautiful. I'm so glad. I'm so glad you guys joined me. I'd love to have you guys on. We'll redo this in about 20 years so we can see right around. Thank you, Shannon.

Oh, you're very welcome, Isis. I'm so glad that I got to meet you. You're just beautiful. Do you guys work also individually? Yeah, absolutely. If someone wanted to work with you, where can they go and where can they work with you? Well, they can go to her website. Isisinspires.com.

And that's where you can work with her individually. And you can also work with us from there too, because sometimes we'll do, she'll do channels. But like our work together is the divine channeling experience where we get to really bring our work, our life, our experience all together. And that's largely where my investment is. There was a time in our relation where I really realized that her work was my work. And then it started interweaving together. So you can find also me there as well, Isisinspires.com.

And my website is linked to there. But really, our work is that right there. And my website is iselalecu.com if anyone wants to check that out. Thank you guys so much for joining me. Ice, it's so nice to meet you. And thank you so much for coming back on, Ise. I really appreciate you both so much.

Beautiful to meet you too, sister. Have a glorious day. We love you too, my sister. Thank you so much. Thanks for listening to Sense of Soul Podcast. And thanks to our special guests for joining me. If you want more of Sense of Soul, check out my website at www.mysenseofsoul.com, where you can work with me one-on-one or help support Sense of Soul Podcast

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