Sense of Soul - The Evolving Inter-Dimensional Soul

Episode Date: September 13, 2024

Hope Fitzgerald she is a Spiritual Teacher, Intuitive Dowser, Coach and Author. She is also a healer, an End-of-Life Midwife, and a Certified Neurofeedback Practitioner. Blessed with the name Hope she has done her best to live up to it, and with her platform encourages everyone to spread hope, infinitely. She believes that no matter where you are in your development, either a beginner or a recognized Starseed, you are on a trajectory of your own evolution. For much of Hope’s life, she has been developing her access to Universal Wisdom. In 1976, Hope had an awakening at Findhorn, and has since explored many avenues of philosophy, esoterica and healing, which has led to a diversity of skills: as an Intuitive Dowser, she helps people transform their lives with her practical, spiritual coaching; as a channel, with her access to a variety of beings, including a group of elders called the Hathors who provide her with many of her weekly meditations. Hope is the author of book, The Infinity Wave: Mastering the Art of Love, Compassion & Flow. Her book is both the story of how the Infinity Wave came to be and a guidebook for how to use this multi-dimensional tool to enhance day-to-day activities as well as to provide a path towards deep spiritual evolution - there are no limits to it. Hope has been spreading the message of the Infinity Wave, a 10th-dimensional energetic tool of Love and Compassion sent to us by a benevolent Universe for the tumultuous times that are upon us now. You can learn more at her website or purchasing her book through Amazon. https://www.spreadinfinitehope.com Check out my new Affiliate page: https://www.mysenseofsoul.com/sense-of-soul-affiliates-page

Hello, my soul-seeking friends. It's Shanna. Thank you so much for listening to Sense of Soul podcast. Enlightening conversations with like-minded souls from around the world, sharing their journey of finding their light within, turning pain into purpose, and awakening to their true sense of soul. If you like what you hear, show me some love and rate, like, and subscribe. And consider becoming a Sense of Soul Patreon member, where you will get ad-free episodes, monthly circles, and much more. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sense of Soul, we have Hope Fitzgerald. She is a spiritual teacher, intuitive dowser, coach, and author. She is also a certified neurofeedback practitioner, and she's an

end-of-life midwife. She's joining us today to tell us about her journey and about her book, The Infinity Wave, Mastering the Art of Love, Compassion, and Flow. Like her name, Hope encourages everyone to spread hope infinitely. So please welcome Hope. Hello, how are you? I'm good, how are you? I'm good. So where do you join me from?

Currently, I am in Florida, but I live in Massachusetts. Oh, okay. Where are you? I am in florida uh but i live in massachusetts oh okay where are you i am in colorado oh whereabouts in aurora so okay right outside dia yep it's really nice there too yeah but tomorrow it could be so yes. Or even tonight. You are so right. My sister lived there for a very long time. So, yeah, I know. Well, I'm excited to talk to you. And I can't wait to hear about your book. You do a lot of things.

I do a lot of things. It's hard to sum it up, you know. Right. That's where your curiosity takes you. I also saw that you are an end of life midwife. I look at nurses sometimes and I'm like, I could never do what you do, but thank God that there's someone like you. Yeah, true. And it's one of those things we often put so much focus on coming into life. Yeah.

So much. But the end of life, I'm sure you have many stories then of... End of life is every bit as mystical and magical as the beginning. Gosh, I've never ceased to be in awe of it. One thing I learned along the way is that somebody said this, somebody wise, you know, I don't remember who it was, said, well, you die the way you live. Much as we would like to think that with the reality coming in at the end, that maybe it lifts a person to a new understanding. And I'm sure that happens. But more often than not, I think it's more true that a person dies the way they live. And so I like end-of-life midwife. I've just made that up, and that's what I like. When somebody can come in at the end and gently change that trajectory so that it is what we would call a good death. That's kind of a term in the field. It doesn't mean perfect, much like birth into life is not always perfect.

It just means that if not only the person dying, but the people collected around that person can come to a truthful place so that everything can be expressed. That's what will bring a sense of completeness to the person who's leaving and to the loved ones. And so that when the leaving happens, it's not fraught with all the things I could have, should have, would have said, done, etc. Because that's where the suffering happens. And because I'm also a medium, I channel higher beings. That's my main stream when it comes to this kind of thing. But when there is somebody who is suffering for a prolonged period of time, I offer the mediumship to help them get over the hump and start their healing. Because that's when things can be said that didn't get said beforehand because there was no one sort of guiding the process. So it's an invaluable service.

And I think it's catching on. More and more people are aware of what it is. You know, you say death now and oh, oh, you know. And my dear friend, Gary Malkin, who I'm partnering with on a project, he and his collaborators came up with something called Graceful Passages. Oh gosh, 1999, 2000, something like that. And it is a compilation of the wisdom keepers of the day speaking. They went into a studio for like two hours and they just talked about deep things. And then they boiled that down to about 10 minutes of.

And the question was, what would you want to say to your loved ones if you were going to die tomorrow kind of thing? And they compressed it down into a 10 minute section. And then Gary's incredible composer and a sensitive he having spoken to the person and felt their vibration and the vibration of their words composed music to float under the words he's also he was a movie composer and it just heightens everything and that graceful passages is for anybody who's going through a transition so whether you're transitioning out of life or transitioning into a new chapter in your life it is stunning and i always say it should be in everybody's library because you never know it was going to come down with something you, and you just or you need to turn a corner dramatically in your life.

Now he and I are partnering and we have launched the first Graceful Passages workshops. We're bringing my work and his work together. And it's I never thought I'd be in this field like this, but it just keeps it out i think it's important because i think that everyone dances around that because it's not comfortable right yeah i was lucky to be with my dad as he passed you know and you know and i've also had four children so i will say what you said is so true. Like the energy is so similar in the room when you give birth. And then, you know, there's this, it's just this vibe. It's even hard to put words to it. And also time is weird around that.

And also memory. Like, you know, I can remember things really well from my early childhood. And, you know, I've always had a good memory. I can remember things really well from my early childhood and I've always had a good memory, but ask me about what was going on during that time. Time and memory is weird. Well, I think in my experience, at least, we go into an altered state. You know, we aren't used to in our daily lives being that raw, that in the present, right? You have to be in the present with that person. You can't just kind of check out, you know, look on your phone. It's not like that. You're very there. And I believe because I, you know, know there are beings that come around during birth and there are beings that come around during death. And so there's a sense of this, it's kind of like a holy moment,

if we wanted to put some kind of language on it, but it's inadequate, as you say. And so time absolutely loses its value because there's this, it's being in an altered state in that present moment with the person and with all these beings around. You know, in the ancient times, in tribal communities, death was practiced. Death was considered to be as important. Learning to die well was considered the most important thing you could do as a living person. Because they knew that if you didn't get all the way out, if you had unfinished business, you'd hang around and clutter up the energy. And so they practiced dying. And so they were all prepared. And the

people who were saying goodbye were prepared. Everybody was prepared. So this tells me, you know, when I learned that, I was like, wow, wow, we have just looked the other way. We just don't have any mechanism to learn how to do this or why it's important to do this. We're getting there. You know, we're getting there. But it is an incredibly necessary part of life to learn how to do this well. And I hope I do, but we'll see. We'll see how I do. Again, it's amazing that people can do that. I'm way too sensitive. I'd be crying every day, which wouldn't be good for anybody. I'd be crying every day, which wouldn't be good for anybody. And I'd be probably crying more than the family. It's just the way that I am. But I remember my brother telling me that because it was my dad died as he lived.

He truly did. When you said that, I wrote it down because I'd never heard that before. And that was true with him. And I remember my brother saying, I've never seen anybody so strong before to me. And I was like, are you kidding me? I've never felt more helpless and more weak in my entire life. What do you mean strong? But isn't that the truth? You know, when you go to funerals and stuff, you see this family and you're like, you know that they've had their moments on their knees but here they are and they have this miraculous strength well let's talk about what strength is because strength isn't

holding back the tears i don't think i think strength is the courage to meet the moment. To meet the moment. And if you meet the moment in the light of all your helplessness, right? In the face of knowing that you're going to miss somebody, and you're willing to be there anyway with your full heart and your full being. Now, that to me is strength the ability to be vulnerable and to hold and this is part of what my other work is about is holding multiple realities at the same time mmm when we do death doula work or midwife to the afterlife work, we're not only holding the reality for the family, for the persons who is leaving, but we're holding the reality that this transition is going to be some kind of blessing in some way.

You hold the grief and you hold the release. We know the person's going home. We know there's going to be a freedom for this person. And especially if they've lived a life where they can look back and say, you know, it was a good life. I did a good job. I did everything I came here to do. So then there's this rejoicing at this freedom that is at hand. So that's why I can be there and not be a puddle of tears, although I have been at other times. But it's holding these multiple realities. And holding multiple realities to me is also holding multidimensionality. So you're operating at multiple levels dimensionally at the same time.

You're down here on the ground. My first experience was when my grandmother was dying and I didn't know what the heck to do. I had left her. I'd said goodbye, planning to be back. I told her it was okay to go before I left, but I didn't expect her to go. I got on a train heading out. I got halfway to New York where I was going. I had to get off the train. I had to come over. I had to get back on the train going the other way. I was just compelled to go back. Got back late at night now, sat down next to my grandmother. The nurse was asleep in the next room. And I sat there with her. And I had this experience where I was down here in 3D. And I was hearing the sounds, which were not easy to hear. And I was smelling all the smells. And I was aware of the physicality. And then I would sort of pop up and out to this higher plane. And when I was

up there, I was completely calm. Whereas when I was down below, my heart was pounding. I was afraid. And I'd pop up here and I'd be completely calm, like I'd done this thousand times. And then I'd bounce back down and then I'd pop back up. And through the course of the entire night, I finally figured out how to stay up there because I realized that's a better place for me rather than down in the nitty gritty of, you know, just like birth is not, it's messy, right? So I managed to stay up there finally in the last couple of hours. As the sun was coming up, I quick went to the bathroom, came back, and she was just leaving. And I realized, oh, you know, she probably was waiting for me to go.

But that's the first time that I had this sense of two places I could be. In those days, it was one or the other. Now it can happen all the same time. You could be in multiple dimensions in a way at the same time. I feel like often I live my life this way. I often say I feel like I have one foot in one side and I'm trying to stay anchored in the other side. Yeah, I understand that. And, you know, with my dad, there was this point where I became so overwhelmed because he was

taking so long to die. You know, he was told he was going to die and he understood this and, you know, it was important for him to also confess. There was one point where I just, I said, I cannot watch him suffer like this. I'm going into the family visiting room and I just crawled up in a ball. And then all of a sudden something came over me. If you were dying, what would you want? And I was like, I would want my family all with me, right? I would want everyone around me. So I went in there I mean I just got up with all kinds of strength and so I moved out of that lower vibration that had me in fear you know in so much grief and so I think that must have been the strength part that my brother might have saw

because then I went in and I literally walked him through his death. And I too popped out many times and knew that there was people waiting for him and right there on the other side of the veil, like ready to receive him and guide him. And I told him this and that dude would not leave. So until I told him, I got this, I got this, we're okay. I got mom, don't worry. And then I really truly feel like he gave me birth twice, once in my life and once in his death, because I wouldn't be here where I am talking to you right now if it wasn't for that. There you go. There's so many, that's why there's so many blessings and the honor of being present for something like that. We don't think of it like an honor, but it is, truly is. You know, for a good two years, and I would say that I was trying not to believe this, but I'm being very honest in saying that.

And it's ridiculous, but I felt guilty for bringing my dad to the hospital. Thought maybe he would have lived had I not. How ridiculous is that? You bring sick people to the hospital. And it took me a long time. Actually, it took a dream that he visited me in my dream and showed me what it would have been like. Wow. That's a gift. So for you telling me people die as they live, I often said he probably would have died alone

working because he was a workhorse and had his own business. But really, he died surrounded by his loved ones. And that is how he lived. Beautiful. Because he made us work for him. Well, there you go. Yeah. But thank you so much. Your words are very felt right now. And I've really received them.

So that multidimensional place. I mean, were you always like that? Because I feel like as a child, we often are in that place.imensional place. I mean, were you always like that? Because I feel like as a child, we often are in that place. I think so. I mean, I was definitely very interested in anything spiritual. I asked my mom when I was nine, I started reading the Bible by myself, and I asked her to take me to all the holy houses in our town. I was looking for something. I couldn't put my finger on it. And I didn't really find it. By the time I was in my late teens, I'd learned how to meditate. And then I went to a beautiful community in Northern Scotland called Findhorn, which was a very famous place at the time. It was magical.

There's a wonderful book called The Findhorn Garden. I'm telling you, that is where there was true magic happening right in front of your face. It just, it was unbelievable. But you know, that experience really tipped me into the fast moving stream of spiritual exploration. And my mom was kind of interested in all of that, too. So that opened the door for me also. But I discovered that when I came back from Fyndhorn in a completely altered state, talking about manifestation. This is back in 1976. You know, nobody really wanted to talk about that

and thought it was pretty nuts. I got a lot of rolled eyeballs. So I learned to keep it very quiet. So I had my regular life and then I had my spiritual life and they just were on parallel. So I learned a lot of things. I explored a lot of things, learned healing, this and that. And then fast forward, I learned how to douse through my business, my very small business of design work. I would help people in their houses anyway. I wanted to learn feng shui and this feng shui gal taught us how to douse for feng shui things like where is the best entrance to this house using the bagua map and you can use your dowsing rods figure out this or that about the feng shui of the house you can also do a lot of math but it's easier to use your dowsing rods so that's how I started but it soon

blossomed into other things I learned that I could ask my dowsing rods for what's the best day to go to the grocery store with my little kiddos or, you know, simple things that had no risk, really. But I found that when I went along with what they suggested, something interesting would happen. I would meet somebody or, you know, and I started to rely on them more and more for bigger and bigger things, riskier and riskier things. I basically taught myself outside of the one night that I learned from this gal. I had never read a book about it. I didn't know another dowser. I was living in Dallas, Texas at the time and very much sunk in with two little babes. Anyway, it just grew and grew and grew. And there have been many, many times when we've gotten direction from the rods to do

things that don't make sense mentally. But after the fact, when we dare to follow, it has turned out to be exactly the right direction. So many years later, decades later, I found out, oh, there's an American Society of Dowsers and there are other people like me out there. And I went to a dowsing conference. I was like, I'm in Hogwarts heaven here. All these dowsing tools and all these people who are just men and women, really into dowsing. I'm like, holy cow. But along the way, I had developed my own style of inquiry. And I always like to teach dowsing to people or suggest that they do it because it's a great way to build your relationship with your intuition and with whatever it is that's guiding you. So, you know, we have guide teams, most of us,

and we aren't sure how to listen to them. When we start to douse or use any other divination tool, we strengthen that conversation. And as a result, there's more conversation. There's more intuition. It all just like a muscle, you know, you work it out and it keeps working. Yeah. So now I use it as part of my coaching practice. I start with a client and then what starts to happen is I start to then it kind of uncorks me and I start to hear words and see things. So in that way, we move very, very quickly to whatever the nugget of the issue is. And there's nuance because I hear these things and then the rods confirm or not, if I'm hearing correctly. They've just been remarkable. Dowsing is nothing new.

It's an ancient technology. It's on the walls of the Lascaux caves in southwestern France that are 70,000 years old. There's a picture of a man with a dowsing Y-shaped stick. No. And so, and there are many, many different tools and they have different applications. So you can, you're dowsing when you use a pendulum. Right. And you're dowsing when you use, so I have rods and I like the rods for dowsing because they are more nuanced and they're faster. So if I say, please show me a yes, for me, they come in, please show me a no, they go out. But what I like about them is you saw the speed with which they moved. So if I ask them, please show me a hesitant yes, they'll come in very slowly. So then that's going to make me ask another question.

Is this a timing issue? For instance, this is a yes, but there's other information we need to get. If I say, please show me a 50%, they'll just come in part way like this. Then I get to ask, well, is the question happening physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually? We break it down. Sometimes people are making decisions 100% from their emotional self, not taking into account the other three quadrants. So we break that down. Then we say, well, what can we do about this? How can we make this balanced? Yes. Or can we? So we go down all these little streams with the rods and we get there like that. And then can provide counseling and healing around whatever we come to. So that's how that works.

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Don't miss this opportunity. Find the link to register in the show notes. Now back to our amazing guest. Well, this was 2010. I had a really, really horrible year on every level, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. So as a result, I had gone to back-to-back sound healing workshops in the Pacific Northwest with Tom Kenyon. I had gone in on a mission to clean my inner bowl.

So I always imagine I have a big, shallow bowl. And I was just scrubbing, scrubbing, scrubbing. All the story, all the stuff stuff just gone, gone, gone. And every practice every day, you know, I just was in there. The last practice of the last day done so much. And I just asked before the practice started, I said, OK, there's this one little piece left that I don't understand. Please, can you help me to come to it? And sure enough, in the practice, in came the understanding.

Oh, I was so grateful. And it was a surprising message. And I was so grateful that in my mind's eye, I went prostrate on the floor and out of me sprang, I am a willing vessel, do with me what you will. It wasn't up here. It just went, whoa. Now I'm sitting there quietly on the bench and I was just filled with gratitude and tears of gratitude and all of that. Great. The next three days, I was so empty. I was, I was an empty vessel. I had no stories. I was like fresh, clean, a new being. Let's put it that way. All the strings, all of the attachments, everything was gone, gone, gone. And I was a free floating being. It was fabulous. massive and it's moving toward me slowly and there seemed to be a kind of byline with this vision which i'd never had before never had visions and it said not to quote directly but

close enough this wave represents a push of evolution that is coming to the planet it will anchor in at the end of 2011 if you choose choose to resist, it will not go well for you. So learn to swim or surf this incoming push. Then the wave turns on its side. So now it's the letter C. It's curled like, you know, like a surfer would come to the tunnel kind of thing, barrel, I think they call it. And that byline said, as the water moves away from the shore and deepens into the seabed, into the earth to get its energy to create the crest, that's how the physics of a wave works, pulls away, deepens down, crests. So should you, meaning me, but obviously for everyone, leave all your book learning, all your knowledge, so-called knowledge on the shore, go to the earth and the wisdom

keepers of the earth for your knowledge, and then mix that with this incoming, whatever this wave was. And then the curling water, instead of just falling down into the ocean, it turns into a figure eight, a standing figure eight made of flowing water. Which is the front of your book. Which is the front of my book. So that was floating around in the front of my head, you know, like this for three days, there was no byline with it. I didn't know what the heck it was. And after a while, it's a little annoying. So I sat down with my rods and I said, what, what, what, what is this? Long story short, I was told we could call it the infinity wave, that it's a 10th dimensional energy. And inherent in that watery flow is 10th dimensional love and compassion.

Now, it's not that important to figure out what 10th dimensional is. What's important to know is that it's highly purified. It's not something we readily can experience here in 3D, but it's a flowing, living energy that if we invite it in to dance with us, to live with us, it will raise us out of 3D. It'll lift us. We don't know how far or whatever, but it'll lift us out of that matrix of 3D and help us kind of pop through. And then I was told that I needed to create workshops about this. I'm like, no, no. And furthermore, I'm always a student, right? When it comes to spirituality, I'm a student. I am not at the front of the room. They're like, yes, you are. And you need to go there. And here's a foot in your back. And don't forget what you said. You were a willing vessel. I was like, oh, you know.

Oh, God, I still can feel that terror. I booked a room for the end of January. I didn't know. I have been a teacher. I have been a performer. I have been a producer. I've been a director. Like I could stand in the front of the room and lead the troops. That's no problem. Not in spirituality. Because I was still operating in my little private stream. And I wasn't ready, I've thought, to move into this other lane. How did you surrender? Was there a specific moment? The surrender was when I went flat on the floor. That was my surrender. And they kept reminding me. And I realized, I guess it was a second surrender. You're right.

You're right. It was a second surrender when I said yes to doing this. Because I realized the first surrender was a bookend to that. And when you surrender yourself to spirit, to source, you don't necessarily, in my opinion, and I'm not saying this for everybody, but you don't necessarily get to pick and choose how you're going to be used. You can say no. People will say, oh it's futile to say no. It's much better to walk hand in hand with creation because what will then open is so profound

and so tailor-made for your growth. This was tailor-made for your growth. This was tailor-made for my growth. It happens to have helped a lot of other people as well, but the whole process was asking me to come to the cliff edge with my little toes dangling over and leap and keep in the faith that I would have something to say when I stood in front of the workshop, the weekend workshop at the end of January. Now, I always say as a result of this, the universe can't catch you if you're not willing to leap. But they call it a leap of faith for a reason. That's exactly what it is. And we can't know. Our fears are hanging on to our reality. And we don't even know how much until it's challenged. And I was challenged by this. And I went ahead. And it's been the greatest gift of all. They said it's a push of evolution. Okay,

evolution. I hearkened back to my Fintorn days when I learned what they taught in terms of evolution was Teilhard de Chardin, the 19th century Renaissance man who was an anthropologist and a priest and a philosopher and a like lots of things and he had a theory of evolution that had to do with going through a series of what he called peduncles i love the word it's actually french and so it should be pedonc but it's it's where the stem comes to the flower where they meet so he saw evolution as a series of stem meeting that, stem meeting that, and each time you go through it, it's actually beautifully demonstrated in the shape of the infinity. Because you come to the crux like this, and you have to go through the squeeze and you come into another expansion, another level of expansion.

So an atom would be here coming up. There's friction when they come together. They go through the squeeze and now comes a molecule, slightly larger, slightly more elegant, larger God spark. And you can imagine that just going through evolution and we get to humanity we're no different there is friction happening more and more friction and it is causing us we some of us have already popped through some of us are already living in another place. And the idea is that we're moving into what Thierry de Chardin called the superhuman. This is the next version of ourselves, much more of a God spark, much more connected to the world around us in all these esoteric ways, much more heart driven.

We have been in this process, but it's real crunch time now. We were given the wave to learn how to stay fluid and in love and compassion as we go through this crunchy time so that when we come to our peduncles, we can more easily move through them. Until then, evolution is something that happened in the background. You know, it's slow. Species are developing. I don't know. I was not thinking about it at all. But because they talked about it, I thought, well, this is what we're really talking about is being conscious in our evolution through the choices that we make. Meanwhile, I'm scrambling around on Google looking for the infinity sign anywhere, nowhere. I mean, it's the mathematical,

you know, you could find that. It's not like it is today. Let's put it that way. It wasn't anywhere. It's not packaging. It was not in jewelry. It was nowhere, no logos. Then I looked up conscious evolution and Barbara Marks Hubbard had one little mention, but it wasn't what I was talking about. So I named my little company because I had to create something, the Wave Energy Center for Conscious Evolution. And I got three practices before each workshop, and there were three that made the entire workshop. So three weekends, one per month, January, February, March. I would sit down with my dowsing rods with my friend,

and I'm like, I don't know what to do, but here goes nothing. And out of my mouth came this deep voice, and these practices would just come out. Now, I didn't believe in channeling. Not that I didn't believe it, but I took it with a grain of salt because I knew that the human field was going to be buffering whatever intelligence came in. So you'd always have to be careful to find the nugget. So all of a sudden I am, you know, it's like, what the heck? You know, and I had this sensation of me moving over to the side,

which I kind of already knew how to do with my dowsing rods. So I was over here on the side and these words were just coming down like through a tube and I'd see them and speak them. I'd see them, speak them, see them, speak them. And every now and then a word would come that I didn't really like. And I'd try to just not say it. No, it would drop again. It would keep dropping until I said it. So then I knew that every word had a frequency and a purpose. I cannot edit. And these beautiful practices came out. So when I got to the end of the whole three weekends, I got three practices per weekend, and I strung together some of the science that I've been following, and some of the antiquity that I had

acquired along the way. And I kind of wove it into this conscious evolution that we were going on and how we were going to use this infinity wave. Each practice was an infinity wave practice. I get to the end of the workshop and I looked back and I went, Oh my God, step by step by step. If you want to evolve, here's your recipe.

These nine practices. Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump. And never in my wildest dreams would I have dreamed them up. I couldn't. And the proof was in the pudding because the people were all, I mean, their lives had changed. Their faces had changed. And then I repeated it again and I repeated it again. So I had nine months of this. And finally, I was standing back, you know, like a scientist. Everybody feels good after a weekend, but, you know, will this have legs?

Will this stand the test of time? And finally, in September, I looked back and I went, I can't deny this anymore. This is really something. It's something. Okay. All right. Let's go. You know? All right, let's go, you know. So you truly are awakening people to their higher selves so that they can evolve quicker.

That is the key. That is the key. What was explained to me is that we do not have the luxury of time as we have had for hundreds of years, thousands of years to sit and gaze at your navel and go to a cave and do all those things. We need something fast and we need something that is not attached to a whole lot of language. I mean, we're talking about the story here, but you could teach a three-year-old the wave in less than 30 seconds and they would do it and love it. Well, especially these next

generations coming in. Right. Exactly. This is not corruptible. It's a geometry and the geometry has significance and the water has significance a lot. That's what the book is about. It's just a handbook on the infinity wave. It gives the story and it gives some of my brief synopses of sort of my spiritual understandings. Very, very, very brief. But just to kind of lay the groundwork so that people can understand where I'm coming from. I call it the universal easy button. You know, remember the staples commercial yeah it's kind of like that and what we found and lots of people will attest to this when we invite the wave in when we run it as i say so i might put it in my body i might put it in my heart center and run the water back and forth and back and forth and back.

All of a sudden my entire being starts to relax. I am sending love and compassion at a very high frequency to my heart. Well, we don't do that very often. We don't get a gift from the universe. We don't accept it. We don't receive it. We don't know how. So we just put the wave in there.

Put the wave in there. Let it run. Let it run. Let it run. All of a sudden, you know, whatever critical voice we have inside starts to quiet. The whole body starts to restructure itself. We are water. We are imposing a geometry and a frequency on the water in our bodies. Like Dr. Emoto showed us, you can put a word on a bottle of water and it will change the molecular structure of the water.

Same is true with us. Only this time we're putting an idea of this figure eight made of flowing water. The word is only an idea, right? So we're doing that to our bodies. We can run this wave between us, one end of the loop in my heart, one end of the loop in your heart, and let the water flow.

And when you do that with another person and you don't have to tell them because, and I say this cautiously, there isn't a human being on the planet that could not benefit from more love and compassion. That's right. Now, whether they are able to receive it or not is another question. But if you can tell the person about it and wave together both consciously, what will happen is that this figure eight, this geometry will come down and whatever conversation you have with the person, let's say it's a difficult one, it's going to lift it up.

It's going to take it somewhere where you can meet on a higher level and the result will be much, much better. So wouldn't we want a tool that can quickly and easily do that? Heck yeah. Right? So it has many, many purposes. I haven't even found them all. And it has an intelligence of its own.

So even when you pull it in, you may pull it in in this beautiful blue color like it's on my book, but it may show up as orange. You know what? That's what I need right now or that's what that person needs right now. I'm going to go with that. Oh, maybe they need three. Okay, they're showing me three.

All right, let's go. It knows what's needed. So we don't have to spend a lot of time with intention. Now, this is kind of sacrilegious to say because everybody's very big on intention, and I'm not putting it down. Intention is good. And oftentimes what we intend is a much smaller picture than what could actually happen. When I put the wave on the situation, I find the highest and best, better than I ever dreamed of, is what comes out. It's kind of miraculous. I'm just very grateful that I got to be the one to bring it in. It's meant for everybody. And I'm just the seeder. I'm just planting the seeds. It is also the newest iteration. This is a bold thing to say, but I have it directly. Let's

say it that way. It is the next iteration of a Christ consciousness. When you think of the symbol of the fish, it's an incomplete figure eight. It's meant to deliver that, because what is Christ consciousness? Love and compassion. This is meant to deliver it quickly and easily and not be able to be impugned, twisted. You know, in my ancestries, I learned of an ancestor who was a great shaman in Canada, whose descendants, many of them became the Métis. And their symbol is the infinity symbol. That's very cool. I think there's definitely some wisdom that was lost. That's very true. And so that's why going to the wisdom keepers, you know, going to the ancients became a big part of my journey studying shamanism. And that was a whole new layer that opened up for me as a result. hadn't seen any infinity signs around but in January 2012 somebody handed me a cappuccino it was an infinity sign in the foam and from then on it just went crazy and now it's everybody's

logo and you know it's the number one too for women and it's just yeah i mean it's everywhere right you know we had a year to work with it before things got going and people don't know why why is the infinity sign everywhere now you know sometimes the most insignificant thing can be the most divine thing in the end when it starts to all go in that infinity sign and come together. Yeah, it's true. That crystals Sophia, the uniting of the energies and also loving and compassion. Yeah. Seems like that's the theme of this year's, no matter how you got there, like the biggest message is love and compassion.

Yeah. Yeah. That's what it boils down to. That's what we need. Yes. We need to get. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for everything that you do and for putting it out there and coming on Sense of Soul and sharing your story.

Well, I appreciate the conversation. It was really fun. Tell everybody, Hope, where they could find your book and where they can find you, your website. And also, are you still doing these workshops? Yes. And I'm going to be launching a series of webinars on the book, you know, using the Infinity Wave and some of the contexts that we talked about. And I also help people with their dowsing questions. My website is spreadinfinitehope.com and the book can be purchased on Amazon, but also Goodreads and Barnes and Noble and all the places. So yeah, you can order it to your bookstore

if you don't want to use any of those. Awesome, awesome. We need a lot of hope for sure. Yeah, I like the title of my website because it's not all incumbent on me. It's Spread Infinite Hope. Everybody, everybody needs to do that you know well you have a wonderful day too and um i will let you know when this goes out hopefully i'll put it out

sometime maybe in march okay wonderful squeeze you in there because i just really i love your i love your message it aligns with with me. So thank you very much. Yeah. senseofsoul.com where you can work with me one-on-one or help support sense of soul podcast by donating to my coffee fund thanks for listening