Sense of Soul - The Journey of the Tarot

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

Today on Sense of Soul we have Natalie Labriola, she is a visual artist, astrologer and tarot reader in Los Angeles, CA. Natalie created Talis Studio in 2017, which began as a clothing line for psychic protection, informed by her interest and research into the visual history of astrology, divination, and protection magic. Talis Studio is now a hub for all of her offerings, including readings and artworks created as talismanic spells for clients. In her new book Tarot: Timeless Secrets of the Ancient Mirror, you will discover who is the Hermit, or the High Priestess? What is the Fool’s Journey? How does tarot reveal your place in the Wheel of Fortune? Can a deck of cards really help you understand who you are?  In this dense little book, packed with antique illustrations and worked examples, author Natalie Labriola reveals the ancient magic of the tarot, introducing us to the colorful characters and eternal principles whose placement in a spread of cards can mirror our everyday lives. https://www.talis.studio @natalielabriola  www.senseofsoulpodcast.com

Hey Soulseekers, it's Shanna. Journey with me to discover how people around the world awaken to their true sense of soul. Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart and soul. It's time to awaken. Today on Sense of Soul, I have Natalie Labriola. She is a visual artist, astrologer, and Tarot reader. She is also the founder of Talos Studio, a hub for all of her offerings including readings and artwork. She's joining us today to tell us about her new book. It's called Tarot Timeless Secrets of the Ancient Mirror, where you will discover who is the hermit, who is the high priestess, what's the fool's journey, and how does the tarot reveal your place in the wheel of fortune,

and how does astrology fit in with the tarot? Well, she's here to tell us all about it, so please welcome Natalie. Hi. Hi. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Thank you. Hi. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Thank you. So I got to know you a little bit, which I just adore you, by the way. And I'm excited to have this conversation and share with my listeners. I am too. You're an artist, astrologer, Tarot practitioner, and the founder of TALAS Studio, which I'm very curious about what that is.

Is that like where you physically go somewhere? Is that a studio? So it's always been out of my house. It's always been like a workspace that I kind of carve out where I live. But I called it that because it started actually as clothing, clothing for psychic protection. And over time, it evolved to include my astrology and tarot readings and classes and lectures and things like that. But because it kind of evolved out of a body of artwork

that I made prior to starting it, it started out sort of as an extension of my art project or kind of as an art project, kind of as a clothing line. So talus comes from the word talisman. And so I was working with a lot of imagery from ancient esoteric, different strains of esoteric history that, you know, I was using these ancient talismans for protection kind of as symbols on the clothing. And so that's where Talis Studio came from. I never realized, like my old self, I never realized how important symbolism was. Yeah, it's very powerful because it speaks to,

I think a part of our psyches that is like ancient and that's like pre-verbal and that has accrued, these symbols have accrued, these symbols have accrued meanings like over centuries of human evolution and so there are just ways that I think our minds connect to symbols that is beyond language and is beyond time and the tarot works that way too with symbolism and imagery. But yeah, it's connecting to something kind of primordial within us, I think,

when we connect to a symbol or when we see a symbol that speaks to us. Right. And then there's also this collective knowing about certain symbols. I find it to be interesting, like the cross or even like the swastika, right? I mean, there's many symbols that, you know might mean something to one group of people but totally might mean something to another.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's very true. Yes, they're not fixed. They don't have just one meaning, which is why they're a symbol and not a sign, which you know, a sign has just one, the crossing sign. It's just it means what it means. But a symbol carries within it so many different potential meanings, which is what makes them interesting. I think you're also joining us today to tell us about your book to Tarot, Timeless, Secrets of the Ancient Mirror. Yes.

You know, actually, when I think about that ancient mirror, it reminds me of when I was studying the Gnostic Gospels because I felt that when I was reading them, I was like time traveling. Yeah. And I was on the outside looking in and seeing who is this Jesus? Like, wait a second, who is this Mary? And so they looked differently than what I had known my whole life. Wow. But I felt like I was outside of looking in. life. But I felt like I was outside of looking in, yet seeing things from a different perspective. Wow. Yeah, I think tarot, it works in a similar way. It allows you to kind of peer back into the past and peer into the future and more deeply into the present moment. And kind of

like what we were saying about symbols and the way that they work, the way that our minds connect to them, they feel timeless too. Symbols feel timeless. And so the tarot works with these, you know, each major arcana card is like an archetype that has a history that extends, you know, hundreds of years back. So in that sense, it kind of connects you to the past and it connects you to all of the archetypes and the meaning that has accrued to that archetype over time. How you were saying symbols are a collective expression of our consciousness. The tarot is a similar way.

It's like each major arcana card is like a rock that's accrued all these barnacles over time, all the different meanings that consulate around the main archetype. And so I feel like when you use the tarot, you are stepping into this kind of timeless realm where the past and the present and the future, it's not so clearly defined from the perspective

of the tarot, I think, which is this more kind of timeless source of wisdom. Yeah, and on the all-in-ones perspective or the eye of the beholder, the one who is looking at, say, the card, the hermit. And what does it mean for you right now in that moment? Mm-hmm, exactly. And all the ways that it's a crude meaning and every time you pull the hermit,

it will mean something slightly different and it will always retain its core meaning, but yeah, it'll show up in a different way every time. One time it might be for, you know, a client that is trying to carve their own creative path or I've seen it for pregnancy a couple of times. Like there's all these different ways that it can show up in the real world, but yeah, they all it always connects back to that, that hermit archetype. And so that's what the book is about is just kind of exploring what are the root archetypal

meanings of the major arcana. And you know, it's a short book. It's pretty, I've tried to pack a lot into a small amount of space as much as possible, but I think the goal was to just distill the archetypes while leaving enough room for someone to be able to step in and have their own experience with a card. Well, that's why I think about, when I think about religion, it's like this character,

this archetype was basically told to me, you know, what this means. And it seemed very outside of me as well. And so when I did experience religion for myself, you know, or in many different religions and different practices, what I was finding on that journey of exploration and experience was that it was within me. So I think it's amazing, like Jesus, his archetype of being a healer didn't change or his message actually didn't change,

but yet I was finding it within myself. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I feel like I also did not connect to the religion that I was raised in when I was younger for a similar reason. It felt like very hierarchical and like I couldn't find an entry point to it that felt personal for me. Just felt like, oh, these are a bunch of rules

and these are all the prayers. And I grew up, my family's Jewish. And I like refused to have a bat mitzvah when I was growing up. I really kind of rejected it when I was little. And I feel much more connected to it now as an adult, but I had to find my way into it through my own entry point into exploring spirituality. And then that's what opened it up and allowed me to kind of see beauty

in it and to find meaning in it for myself. And I think that the tarot archetypes operate in a similar way. They're not just the story of the fool's journey or this kind of archetypal hero's journey. It's a reflection of different aspects of each of us. Each of us hold all of the archetypes within ourselves and they're active at different points in our life. But we can connect to them through the tarot and we can see them reflected back to us by engaging with the tarot. But yeah, in a similar way, I think the tarot is a reflection of our own human experience, our own shared experiences and psyches and all of that.

Yeah. You know, we talked before about the art. It's almost like music, right? It can connect you inward. And so I thought the art matters, you know, to me. Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. That was my first entry point into the tarot was just being drawn in by the artwork. I saw an exhibit at the Met Cloisters Museum in New York, which is a museum of medieval artwork, which I love, just happened to love it. And there was an exhibit of some medieval tarot cards

on display and I was just very drawn to the imagery, the gold leafing, they were so detailed and so intricate and so small and they're just paper you know they could have easily disintegrated or been thrown away at some point but the fact that they had remained intact and been saved through like the centuries was was just pointed to how kind of special they were and I like that they emerged from playing cards like they have the spirit of play and they have a temporary quality to them being paper. They're not that precious in terms of the objecthood of them.

But they're these really beautifully illustrated. I mean, in the medieval period, they were hand painted. And so there are these like just gorgeous specimens but for me yeah the entry point was just being kind of drawn in by the beautiful paintings that were on them and then I saw in the museum gift shop they had like a reproduction of a sort of medieval style deck on sale and so I bought it and at the time I really didn't think that a deck of a sort of medieval style deck on sale. And so I bought it. And at the time, I really didn't think that a deck of cards could tell me something real about my life

or show me anything true about myself. But over time, just by engaging with it with a kind of, I guess, an open mind, sort of a skeptical but open mind, I just really saw their power over time and how they could really reflect back to me, my inner life, my outer life, and with such precision and even sometimes like a sense of humor that I thought was so wild and was just kind of a slow process for me of building a real relationship with the tarot but definitely the art was the entry point and it had been sort of in the milieu of my childhood like my mom went to psychics and mediums when I was little

and we would see ghosts in the house and my mom would be like, that's okay, she's a nice ghost. And my dad was a complete opposite. And so, you know, it was sort of in my in my consciousness, I guess, just that that aspect of the occult or something. But yeah, it wasn't until my late 20s that I bought my first deck and even started going down this path at all. There's plenty of decks where if my first encounter had been with like, I don't know, a cat tarot or something, and this is no offense to any cat deck,

cat tarot creators, I just, I'm trying to think of something that I wouldn't personally connect with probably. You know, that exists for lots of people who love it. And that's, you know, I don't mean any shade to them. I just mean, there's a deck for everyone. And that, yeah, you have to find the one that speaks to you and medieval art doesn't speak to everyone, you know, but it spoke to me, so.

That's interesting. I wonder if you had a past life during that time because you're so interested in it. I mean, and talk about the arts, right? The time, wow. I mean, I am obsessed with the cathedrals, you know, just the architecture and all of the art that they were so detailed and so original. And I think, why can't we ever create that now?

I feel like we've lost that. Yeah, definitely. It's a lost art for sure. I mean a life in like a nunnery just getting to read and paint all day sounds really nice. I mean maybe that was a past life. Okay, so my very first past life that I ever ever did, right? I was a nun and it was 1432. And I was in Austria. Really? So cool.

Yeah, it wasn't a really great life. Yeah, I was gonna ask, was it a happy time? Well, I was starving. Oh, gosh. And I did not wanna be there. So I don't know how I got there. But I did, and I always thought maybe I should follow up with that.

But I did put some things together, maybe I should like follow up with that. I did put some things together, but I was a Franciscan nun. I don't even know what that was at the time. Is that a branch of Catholicism? Or yeah, I guess so. So I guess like after like St. Francis. St. Francis. Okay. In the Tarot with the different like suits, I guess, because

the deck originates from the original like players deck, doesn't it? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So what do what do those different like the wands and the swords? I mean, they kind of all stand for something like is as a group. Like this is the people that work really hard. So in the language of the tarot, each suit corresponds to, well, it depends on who you ask, but each suit corresponds to a different, you could say element like fire, air, earth and water. And then the things that are associated with each suit correspond

to those elements as well. So the cups being related to water often speak to our emotional connections, speak to our emotional connections, our dreamscapes, our imagination, our intuition, our sort of creative desires. And yeah, they talk about our emotional world and our sort of emotional and relational world aspect of our lives. Now your book, does it cover stuff like that? Yeah, it gives a basic overview of the minor arcana,

the different suits, and then some keywords for each card. They're really just a starting point, but I tried to kind of distill what each suit represents, what each card represents in really like a few sentences or a few words. And hopefully it gives you kind of a big picture map. I wanna know what the rest of the suits are though. So the water is like your emotions. I mean, of course, now that I think about the cards

and their meanings, I see that, but I really didn't know that. I think different readers will have different styles of interpretation that they work with, but this is a pretty widely used, widely accepted association with the suits. So the wands represent fire. They're associated with fire and they correspond to or they tell a story about our sort of libidinal or our passions that drive us. It's like the fire that makes you want to go do something out in the world or makes you want to take action, pursue something. It tells a story of how we manage our desires and our drives and the attendant challenges.

I mean, every suit describes the attendant challenges of its domain, but the wands really speaks to that kind of like life force energy within us, our vitality. Right. Well, as soon as you said it was connected to fire, I would have said, that's what fire is, right? Yeah. Alchemy. Right. And so that makes sense. So the other two, this is so crazy. I never, I'm going gonna look at everything differently now. Oh cool Okay, so the swords are connected to air and They speak to our

Mental landscape so our thoughts our beliefs our communications the quality of our mind and our interactions the way that we speak to ourselves the way that we speak to ourselves, the way that we speak to others. And so you can kind of go even further into each element and you can tie in the zodiac and astrology and you can connect each suit to the air signs of the zodiac as well. Just to say that, you know,

there's a huge amount of correspondences that each suit, each card has, but this is just a very basic kind of starting point. The connection emerged in the late 1700s and 1800s, meaning that's when tarot practitioners first started connecting it to astrology and started saying these two systems are linked and here is like the map of how they're connected. That's not to say that that was the original intent of whoever created the tarot in the 1400s, but it is

a pretty neat system of correspondences. Like there are 22 major arcana cards, which correspond to the 12 zodiac signs and the 10 planets. And then the minor arcana correspond to what are called the decans of the zodiac. So each of the 12 signs can be broken up into three sections, three equal sections. And you can tie each deck in or section of a sign to a group of minor arcana cards. It's actually pretty interesting if you

ever use the tarot for timing because every major arcana card is two through ten will have a time period that it corresponds to if you follow this decanic system. Wow, do you read cards? Do you fall on that too? I do when I have a question about timing and when I do have a question about timing where a client does I will most often look to astrology first because astrology really describes the quality of time, whereas tarot gives you a little bit more zoomed in detail. I, well, very much about the present moment, but I don't think it's quite as a sensitive tool for timing as astrology is, but I have, I have used it for that and have found that using the

system of the Deccans, it works. I mean, it can work for sure. Isn't it a miracle when stuff like that like lines up? Yeah. Even though it wasn't meant to be, it sure does add up. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, the origins of the tarot are mysterious. No one really knows the major arcana in particular, like who invented it, and there's some kind of clues about its origins, but yeah, it's pretty mysterious. There's no saying for sure, but okay. So yeah, the swords.

The swords talk about the mental landscape. It reminds me of the metal, by the way. You know, just like in the Dao, those elements. Oh, the five elements. Metal is so like what you were just saying that is. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of overlap. I'm not as familiar with that system, but that makes sense that they would speak to similar things.

And then the pentacles describe our material reality and the resources that we have to build our world. And it can talk about money, but it can also talk about time or energy or the energy that you use to devote to building something or the time that you put in to hone a craft or to build a sustainable life in some way. So it's talking about the ways that we use our energy to build our lives in the real world and resources that are finite in some way. And how do we manage that?

How do we manage our energy and money and time and use our limited resources to make the most of the time that we have? So the Pentacles, yeah, speak to that. And they speak to what are we building towards or what are we working to leave in the world? What are we working to leave behind in some way? And then the pentacles relate to the element of Earth and so that's where the connection is to you know material

reality and the resources that we have and all of those things. And all the earth signs. Amazing. You know, I noticed that I have all the earth signs in my name. Like when I was doing this alchemy class the other day and I was doing my last name, it's like the V could be like, you know, and then the A and then the V again. Yeah.

Oh my God, this is so cool. The alchemy triangles, I was. Yeah. What is your astrological? Do you know your sun moon and rising? I'm just curious. My best friend gave me this book, which I definitely recommend. Oh, cool. Oh, I've seen that. Yeah, very cool. So Taurus is my sun sign. Oh, me too. Oh, really? Yeah. May 13. Oh, my. Oh, okay.

I'm on the 15th. So yeah, we're true Taurus army. Oh, yes. So Sagittarius is my moon. Me too. Stop. Yeah. What?

You're weird. Astro twins. I know. And Virgo is my rising. Nice. And then my Mercury is Gemini. Horus as my Venus. And as my Mars.

Cancer? As Mars. Interesting. Cool. So yeah, you've got the nice Earth and fire balance in your big three, in your sun, moon and rising. Yeah, I have a hard time wrapping my head around astrology.

I have tried and actually I just had on another one of your publishers, authors who wrote a book. It's like a how-to book on astrology, which is exactly what I needed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like, yeah. And that's why I like what your book is too. As soon as I saw your book come across, I got excited because whenever I'm, I am reading, um, you know, somebody else, especially, you know, sometimes I think about the original version of what this card means, but then there's this unique version that like Kim Kranz wrote,

which I love the author's, you know, perspective, and I always honor it as well. But then I'm like, you know, this could mean a little bit deeper because this card originally means, you know, or could mean. Right, right. That's why I always want to go look up online. So your book would be a great go to. Yes. Yes.

It's a good starting place. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, are we to fall into all of these archetypes from the fool to the world. Throughout our journey, the hero's journey, right? I mean we talked about this on our last conversation about, you know, I find Carl Jung around every single corner of my journey. Every single one. And I think of archetypes a lot now. Archetypes, symbolism, all that stuff. So it's no wonder why the tarot is such a great tool. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yes, I know I find

that he connects to so many different aspects of the tarot and astrology and just depth psychology in general, I feel like has given us a whole language, a new language with which to understand how archetypes work, how symbols work, how they connect to our subconscious and the way that are subconscious and the way that they live within us and can become animated outside of us. Yeah, I've definitely been very... My approach has been shaped by reading and studying Carl Jung and James Hillman and other depth psychologists. Yeah, I just think it's such a rich language and way of interpreting symbolism and archetypes that relates it very much back to the inner and the outer being connected.

And that the way that, I think Jung talks about this, but the way that the structure of the human mind is similar to the structure of the cosmos on some level, that there's like a resonance between the inner and the outer. And, and tools like astrology or tarot can help us to see those resonances or to see those connections, those threads that are, you know, otherwise might be might just pass us by or we might not be us to really connect to that symbolic or that mythic dimension of life, which is not just internal, but also external, I think. And I think that's an endlessly interesting part of working with these kinds of tools. There was this woman that she was an old neighbor had me come go over to her house and she was like, bring your cards.

And I'm telling you, I think all but one card in just like a regular Celtic cross reading were all major arcana cards. Sounds like a cross reading. We're all major arcana cards. Sounds like a major reading, a major time in her life. Was she surprised to see so many major cards? I was. I mean, I truly was like, I mean, just one after. Wow. Nothing here.

This is getting very difficult. Like the meaning or the direction of it is so like, I don't know where to go. It's just all. Yeah, like it's all so major that it's hard to even. Right, there was no action in there. There was no, you know, so yeah, I mean, it definitely challenged me to get creative

with figuring out how to read. And which is, I mean, it definitely challenged me to get creative with how to read, which is, I think I learned more as I have somebody to work with, you know, whether it's student teacher or vice versa. Mm hmm. Definitely. And yeah, that was a challenge, but you know, she was going through like probably one of the biggest changes of her life, you know. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Just to see that reflected back to her, like, wow, this is a... Like not even interpreting the cards, just knowing that they're all major arcana, that tells you, yes, this is a major moment, a major period. And probably even just on that level, seeing that reflected back to her was like comforting in some way, I would think. Yeah, like everybody's showing up here. Yeah, exactly. All the aspects of yourself. Yeah.

Yeah. When I used to get, this is back in the day when, you know, I didn't know, but when I used to get the card, I'm like, I don't want the full card. Like, why? Yeah. We have kind of these preconceived notions of what the cards are. But like we said earlier, when you start to really know them, I mean, that's exciting to be the fool to embark on a new journey. Definitely.

Yeah, I love getting that card. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I remember the first card that I ever pulled was the death card. And I was like, what the fuck is this? This looks scary. I don't want this. But yeah, I think that when the more you work

with the cards, the more you pull cards, the more you understand the nuances to their meaning or just see different sides of them because there's never just one meaning but yeah the the death card can be an exciting card to get to I think especially if you're in a place where you're ready to let something go and you're ready to like welcome something new in you know it can be an invigorating card it can also be hard if that's not what you want to hear or that's not what you are ready for but I think that the Terra will always kind of speak to us for our highest good. I don't think it's an antagonistic force or that it's a malevolent force. I think it's not ever,

I don't think that it's meant to scare you or to show you anything that you're not ready to see. The way that I think about it is that I'm dialoguing with either like the wisest part of myself or my higher self or my guides. And when I think about it that way, like there's no way that it can be scary or that it can be in any way, you know, receiving or yeah, exactly. Thank you for saying that. Because a lot of people will say oh my gosh will you do my cards i want to know if my husband's cheating on me i feel like there's boundaries definitely

yeah even when i do like energy healing i may totally feel or have like a really psychic hit about somebody and it may be negative and it's not for me to tell them that I know this. Yeah. It's for them to discover that for themselves. So I like to throw backtrums rather than tell them this is what it means. Yeah, I think that's really important. And that's definitely something

that I learned over time too. I think in the beginning, especially just because I was just doing readings for myself and for friends, you know, for for years before I started offering them to other people. But I had to kind of learn those boundaries the hard way sometimes of what you're talking about, because I had to kind of feel out for myself. You know, of course, someone would come in and ask me that very same question and the cards can tell you it's

not that they can't but like I don't feel like that's ethical to peer into someone's life that isn't sitting in front of me or there's a there's a way that I like to use the tarot and that's to help myself or a client to tap into what they need to know in this moment and to help them I guess use the cards to figure out what is the best path forward and to get deeply into the present moment. But yeah, questions that are, you know, yes or no, or is this person doing X or is my son doing this or that? It's yeah, I can't, I can't go like for instance, you were just talking about the death card. I mean, if someone was like, you know, am I going to, I don't know, get fired or whatever and say it comes up, right?

It could mean the end of something, but it also could just mean transitioning from one job title to the next. I mean, because we have this idea, these conditioned ideas that death means, you know, it's final, you're gone. But really, it's transformation. Yeah. You know, can look like many things. Absolutely. Yeah, it's in the middle of the major arcana, you know, not at the end. It's not the final card. It's the 13th card. Wow. So yeah, it's definitely a period of transition. I bet you anything that's for a 13 God of AdRat from. It must be, yeah. It must be. 13th floor, right, Friday the 13th.

Yeah, yeah. I know, I remember when I was little, my mom had that book called The Book of Birthdays. Did you ever see that? I don't think so. It's this book that goes through every day of the year and gives a kind of like personality description.

I don't know exactly how they generated these. Like I know there's definitely a lot of astrology involved, but I'm not, yeah, I'm not really sure what the method was. But as a kid, I remember seeing my birthday, May 13th, and seeing that the death card was, the tarot card that they said was associated with my day, I guess because May 13th and death is the 13th major arcana. So I think I've always kind of had this like card in my mind even before I really knew what the tarot was.

I just, but yeah, I felt like scared by it. I wasn't, you know, excited by it. But when that was the first card that I pulled, it just, yeah, it like took me back to that card and seeing it on my mom's coffee table when I was a kid and being like, what does it mean? My God, I'm still tripping out that we have the same moon and sun in our birthday. I know. My dog's birthday, Rascal, his birthday is on the 13th. Oh really?

Yeah. Cute. Yeah, actually I have a kid in every season. So very spread out and it's nice. That is nice. Seems to compliment each other in some way. Yeah. Oh yeah, it sounds like a very balanced household.

Things like it. But you know, I've always struggled with being grounded. My whole life I've ADHD, you know, I'm definitely one that can daydream all day and all that. And I used to think of it as such a negative. But now, grounding I would say is where I feel most connected. So something that was a struggle, right?

Or something that was challenging my whole life actually became a blessing. Same with, I think, being stubborn. I've never been stubborn, but I am persistent. Yeah. Right? We could see it from a different angle and see it more as a positive thing.

Definitely. Yeah, I hate some of those characteristics that they label you. My son's a cancer. And he oftentimes is like, I hate some of those characteristics that they label you. My son's a cancer and oftentimes is like, I don't know, I hate when I even tell girls ask me what my sign is and I might want to lie. I was like, be a sensitive man if that's what they're connecting it with. It's not a bad thing. No, no, we love a sensitive man. We need more sensitive. Yes, we do. Yes, we've got enough of the metal kind or the other.

Yeah. Gosh, so much wisdom that we can find in the Tarot and explore. It's so fun. I love to do readings for like when the year changes or like moon or something or something new is happening. How do you use the Tarot on your do you use it daily? Like some people pull cards every day. I've heard that. I did for a long time especially when I was first starting to work with it. I would pull cards most days for a few years and now I use it as needed. I also like to time it with astrological things. So, you know, for like the eclipse tomorrow or

yeah. High energy moments. Definitely. But that's also just, yeah, where I'm at in my day-to-day schedule right now is like, I used to, you know, have these like long quiet mornings and now I have a one-year-old and so those are pretty much gone. She's an early riser, very early riser. So, Oh, so you can't even get in one before her, you know, a little bit earlier. She's she's been like a five 530am wake, wake up her. And my husband has been getting up with her for the first couple hours of the day, which has been really, really nice. And so I have had some time over the past year in the morning, but we moved to a new place and now she knows exactly where I am and there's no more hiding. Is she a Pisces? If she's she is a Capricorn. So yeah, she wakes up early. She's ready to

work. She's ready to go. She's very busy. She's on her Capricorn game. But I gotcha. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's Oh, I gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the nice thing about the tarot. You can take five minutes and pull a card and it doesn't need to be a long elaborate journaling, altar ritual thing. I mean, it's great when it is, but yeah, it can just be something that you do. In an in-between moment where you have a minute of quiet. And so you don't have to save the cards and do all the things.

Yeah. I mean, if I'm doing a reading for someone else, then I will do a more elaborate ritual. But yeah, if I'm just pulling a card for myself, it's usually just I mean, these days, it's yeah, it's usually just like I have a few minutes and I want to tap in yeah your little girl is going to be like my youngest where you know she had like her first like spirit animal deck when she was like three and I caught her like knocking on the cards I'm like oh my god she's so cute that is so cute yeah yeah Steve Farmer has a little cute deck. Oh, cool. Spirit animals that connect with, you know,

just like chores or, you know, different things for kids. Yeah, love that. Oh, cool, I'm looking into that. And then she also has like, she's got a mindfulness deck. Well, when she was little. So there's really nice mindfulness decks for little ones. Oh, cool. And also yoga poses decks for little ones. Oh, cool.

And also yoga poses and stuff like that. These are all ones that she had years ago. Now she's 12. She's still interested in different decks of any kind? She's not as much into decks, which she does have a few, but she's very into astrology. Oh, really? It becomes so very natural to her. Like no matter how many astrologists I've talked to, no matter how many astrology books I have, it doesn't come natural to me.

But like for her, she just knows. And so I'm like, well, that's your lane. Yeah, yeah. So I always ask her, you know, cause she'll know, you know, I'll think like, what is it right now? Is it still Pisces season? You know, whatever. She'll know. She just knows the characteristics that follow. Yeah. When she was little, though And then when she start getting mobile, I was like, and I had a dog, rascal was a puppy. And I had to literally teach them both how to meditate

because I was giving up my time. So they went. For you, wow. Yeah, I just said join in because it was what had saved me. It was necessary, yeah. Very necessary. Yeah.

Definitely. Wow. I need to learn your tricks for getting a little one to meditate. Well, and you know, there was no ritual behind it. There was no right way and you couldn't stay with maybe all the things you were doing before. Their attention span is going to be a lot less. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. But I tell you what, by the time she was like four years old, I had noticed, I was like, holy crap, she breathes better than most adults do. And she still does. That's so cool. When they know nothing different. Right. Right. Yeah. That's why I think these younger generations, they might be the ones to save the earth and humankind. Let's hope so. Let's hope so. Yeah. In fact, can we look at this year? I haven't

and I actually haven't because not because I haven't talked to anybody. I know I just sense it. I mean, this is a very, very crazy year. Yeah, it is. I don't know what's happening in the stars. I'm very affected by the solar storms. I'm I'm affected by the full moon. You too. You are the full moon specifically. I can't sleep ever. So I can't sleep whatsoever if there's solar storms. So you might want to watch and follow because I've been following for two years now and my symptoms are always on it and then other people's are too now that I have them following it. Wow. But my gums hurt around that time.

I usually get headaches don't like two nights ago. I think I slept two hours. And there's a solar storm. Yeah, I got to check that out. But we only have this every 10 years, 10, 11 years that it gets like that. So then I was really curious, like what was going on 10 years ago in my life? You know, what was happening a lot Like that's when I was really needing my meditation and yeah. So your daughter was too. Yeah. Yeah. She was I was really needing her to make a

lock by yourself in a closet. Yeah. Yeah. I mean people this, but we're made of the same stuff, you know, and there's always a lot of natural disasters around solar storms. So if they're affected, animals are affected big time, their navigation is affected. Wow. Yes, they're coming into our field now, but where before years ago they couldn't. And so now that they can, of course they affect us. Yeah. Oh yeah.

I'm sure. I'm sure. I mean, if, you know, in terms of the planets and the movement of the planets, even though it's not a physical, you know, gravitational effect that it has on us. It's still, you know. You can see the Northern Lights in Louisiana. Yeah, that's not normal. Yeah, that's pretty wild. Yeah. Have you seen them over in the...

I have not. I would love to, but no, I haven't. I think it's amazing that you can't see him sometimes with your eyes, but if you take a picture you can see him. So I have lots of pictures. Wow. Cool. Yeah. But I follow them only because they affect me like tomorrow, right?

The divine masculine and the divine feminine will align. Wait. Are you speaking about the eclipse? Yeah. Yeah. That's in your. Well, that's in your first house. So that's major for you. Really? Tomorrow is major for me.

Well, in a series of eclipses that will happen over the next like two and a half, three years, two and a half years in the signs of Virgo and Pisces. And so if you, eclipses always happen in pairs of signs. So if you're a Virgo rising, that means Virgo is your first house, which is your, the house that relates to your identity and your body and your, just who you are as a person. And so when eclipses happen there and then in the opposite sign of Pisces, which is your seventh house of one-on-one relationships, that's just probably the most like sensitive part of our birth chart to be activated and

generally it can herald big changes in your identity, in your self-concept, and even how you look sometimes, also in your relationships. It can just be a period where these big changes happen and there's major endings, major beginnings. And it's this first and seventh house in particular that really can bring a lot of change and eclipses have a way of sometimes operating a little bit chaotic there's a little bit of a chaotic energy in the air a little bit

of an unpredictable energy i think that they are quite exciting times a lot of the time, because I mean, changes like in the air and especially, you know, for us, Taurus is who do like, I think, stability and, you know, might, might resist change in some ways, depending on other aspects in your chart. Sometimes when the universe comes in and brings change to your door, I don't know, it can be exciting. I love eclipse seasons. Yeah. So this is why I would love to do cards, right? Because you could pull your cards and you could see maybe something deeper than you're able to see when you're in the chaos.

Because when you're in the chaos, you can't think straight. Absolutely. You can see things from all aspects and perspective. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, totally, yes, yes. That would be a great moment to pull cards. The south note is moving through your first house and so the south note is often about release or shedding or letting go.

And so, yeah, you could pull a card around like what am I being asked to release with this eclipse? Or then on the flip side, like, what am I being asked to embrace? That's new. You know, there's ways that like the cards can kind of help you to see into the moment in a way that I think can be really supportive.

I do too, yeah. Well, tell everybody where they can get your book because I think that it really supportive. I do too. Yeah. Well, tell everybody where they can get your book because I think that it's a wonderful book. If you're interested in the Tarot, this is one you should have. Thank you. Yeah, you can get it online or at fine bookstores across the nation. It's called Tarot, Timeless Secrets of the Ancient Mirror and I have a website it's talis.studio and Natalie Labriola on Instagram. Thank you so much for having me on and it was

really a pleasure to talk with you. Yeah you too. Thanks for listening. Sense of Soul. Thanks for listening to Sense of Soul podcast and thanks to our special guest. If you want more of Sense of Soul, check out my website at SenseofSoulPodcast.com. It's time to awaken.