Sense of Soul - The Life and Perspectives of an Asexual
Episode Date: October 6, 2023Today on Sense of Soul Podcast, Author Sandra Bellamy she is the founder of www.asexualise.com. She sees herself as an ambassador for asexuality, and is on a mission to get asexuality recognized throu...ghout the globe, so that no asexual has to live in fear of ridicule ever again. Sandra was a speaker at the UK Asexuality Conference in London and have been featured in the Daily Mirror, Daily Star and on the Jeremy Vine Show, BBC Radio with Graham Torrington, Apple, Spotify, Channel 4, BBC TV, Femedic, bLU Talks Amplify Your Message and on a variety of podcasts. Sandra’s main variety channel which has had over 600,000 views, learn more about asexuality, and asexual love, life, confidence, dating and relationships. www.youtube.com/asexualisemyasexuallife Sandra runs 6 asexual Facebook groups, 5 which are free, and the 6th is Asexualise Academy Club monthly membership group, where she does exclusive live coaching and training to improve your life, and offers a monthly online meetup. Access to the groups is by answering questions and not guaranteed. https://www.facebook.com/acexualise https://www.facebook.com/AcexualiseAcademy https://www.facebook.com/acexualisedating/ You can email Sandra at: asexualise@gmail.com For Asexual blog, help and resources, visit www.asexualise.com Understand asexuality & asexual spectrum better. Get all your asexual questions answered about love, life, and sex, even those you're afraid to ask, in my Asexual Perspectives book here https://amzn.to/2MK5tJ1 To Learn more about Sandra visit: https://www.sandrabellamy.com Learn more about Sense of Soul Podcast: https://www.senseofsoulpodcast.com Check out the NEW affiliate deals! https://www.mysenseofsoul.com/sense-of-soul-affiliates-page Check out the Ethereal Network! https://www.mysenseofsoul.com/ethereal-network Follow Sense of Soul on Patreon, and join to get ad free episodes, circles, mini series and more! https://www.patreon.com/senseofsoul Follow Sense of Soul on Social Media! https://www.mysenseofsoul.com/sos-links
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Today we have with us author Sandra Bellamy. She is a Blue Talk Amplify speaker and an asexuality
coach. She sees herself as an ambassador for asexuality, which is an ongoing mission for her
to get asexuality recognized throughout the globe. Sandra's joining us today to tell us
about her new book, Asexual Perspectives.
Sandra is so sweet and so passionate about this topic.
And I'm happy that I am able to be able to provide this space for Sandra today.
Hello.
Hi, how are you?
Good. I'm really excited for our interview.
You're so passionate. I just love that you're using your voice. Good for you. You're talking about something that not a lot of people talk about. You're so passionate. I just love that you're using your voice. Good for you.
You're talking about something that not a lot of people talk about. You're very inspiring.
Oh, thank you so much. That means a lot to me. I love it. I got a message this morning from one of my YouTubers and she's like, oh, I always love your videos. And it's really nice when I hear that.
Where are you joining us from? I am from the UK so I live in a city called
Exeter in Devon. I really like it here. It's a very vibrant city. I'm an extrovert which is quite rare
for an asexual person. Most asexuals are introverted but I love being asexual and
being in the city is really nice so I go clubbing and stuff which not a lot
of people who are asexual do because obviously there's a lot of heterosexuals a lot of sexual
energy there and stuff like that but yeah so I live in Exeter by myself I'm single I don't like
sex because I'm asexual which is the sexual orientation that's a lack of sexual attraction
I'm personally a sex repulsed asexual for me. I like being single. I do still look for a
romantic, ideally asexual male life partner, but I haven't found him yet. I don't want marriage
though. I don't want kids and I prefer to live on my own, even in a relationship. So I like a living
apart together relationship, which means you live in separate places near each other but
not actually with each other therefore I feel that you can have your own space I find it very
difficult to sleep in front of someone very difficult to sleep in the same bed partly because
I get self-conscious another part is because I have fibromyalgia which is a chronic pain condition
that affects the nerves and muscles of the body so it's really difficult because I need personal
space physically
because if anyone's near my pressure points even if they're not directly on it I can kind of feel
that and also I prefer not to take my clothes off because I'm nudity repulsed which is quite rare
for asexuals as well so I prefer to keep my clothes on even in a relationship and kiss with
my clothes on I love kissing though I'm a hyper romantic and a hyper kisser, which is very different to most of the entire world population,
let alone asexuals. Most asexuals only like a tiny bit of kissing. And I do get really romantic.
I'm excessively romantic. So I self date. So I was a speaker at the UK asexuality conference in
London in 2018.
And I did a couple of talks.
One was about how to arrange an asexual meetup because I arranged them in my city.
And people come from different parts of the UK to it.
And I also spoke about self-love and self-dating being the most,
like the best part, if you like, of dating and relationships is make sure you self-date and love yourself.
And I put some pictures on the screen of how I self-date like I go to theme parks and I go and take myself out to Nando's and I go to the cinema and so I do whatever I would do in a
romantic relationship but with myself sometimes I kiss myself even I love kissing that much so yeah
I do a YouTube show as you know which I talk about
asexuality I share my daily life usually on YouTube on my asexualized my asexualized channel
so it's a bit like a reality TV show and I've been doing that since 2015 it started off more as like
just individual videos and then in 2018 as part of asexual perspectives awareness month
which I founded in 2017 actually um 2018 I decided to go live every single day instead of just
posting your video so in celebration of my book which is to celebrate our diversity across the asexual spectrum and our differences within it
so I did this book because I got so many people in my inbox asking me different questions like
what's it like to have a relationship with another asexual what's it like to have a relationship with
a sexual person and all these questions are in this book and all the answers are in the book
because I was answering them all the time in private message and I thought why not put a book out there where everyone can get access to the answers
to the questions that they ask all the time especially when they're new to asexuality so
this shows asexual and it shows different asexual people all across the spectrum and instead of just
giving textbook definitions of asexuality and asexuals it actually explores the lives of asexuals and so it gives different perspectives I know that your
listeners who are listening on podcasts won't be able to see the book but if they just type
asexual perspectives into Amazon for example then they'll see it come up it's like I got an orange
and purple cover and so yeah it pretty much answers every question they could possibly
think of when they're new to asexuality discovering the asexual spectrum and there's 47 different
stories including my own told in questions and answers that strategically thought about in order
to answer all the questions that people have got so it's really good because there's all different
types from pure asexuals to great asexuals in this book.
You are really probably talking to people who may be experiencing this and they don't quite exactly know what they're experiencing.
They didn't know I had a name. You know, I am against some of the labels.
But unfortunately, the way to get certain awareness is through labels.
I'm actually a big fan of labels. I find that the only people
that are uncomfortable with the labels of asexuals are the ones that are not comfortable with
asexuality. So no one seems uncomfortable with labeling themselves heterosexual. You never hear
of someone saying, well, why are you labeling yourself as a heterosexual? I'm curious about that. But you can't really tell by looking at someone how they're feeling inside. So many people might
just assume that you're heterosexual, which is not necessarily the case. And people are speaking
up about that. But I have to know when you figured this out and how you did it? Okay, so I didn't discover I'm asexual till 2014.
And I was in heterosexuals nearly half of my life, I would say. So at 16, which is when I had my
first boyfriend, in terms of who I felt I loved. And he asked me or rather pressurized me into sex
for the first time ever in my life.
I didn't have self-love back then. My self-love journey didn't start until 2012, actually.
So back then I lacked self-love. So at 16, he pressured me to have sex because he said all his friends were doing it.
And that's what he wanted. And I felt that I would lose him if I didn't do that.
So I obliged him him but he was very
gentle which I was really appreciative of did your mom and dad ever talk to you about sex no they felt
that school should do that and the only education this is really important actually the only
education I had at school was a video in biology I've got to laugh at this it's not funny because this is the state of the
situation but this was my sex education there was a woman dressed as an egg and a guy dressed as a
sperm and this is a really old-fashioned video vhs tape and they were the the they were swimming towards each other and the woman was singing one day my sperm will come no way
one day my sperm will come that was my sex yeah I'm being serious because I sticks in my mind
that was my sex education at school a biology lesson and that was it so I didn't have any sex
education at school apart from that and yeah I wasn't interested in sex like
even though I had it even at 16 he pressurized me into it I would rather have not bothered
um but you know I did it to keep the relationship I guess and because I I didn't know any different
I just thought that's what you normally do in a relationship that's what guy wants so I had to do
that and reason like one of
the major reasons why I wrote asexual guide sex is because I wish I'd had that book the book I'm
writing at 16 years old and some people are like well it's so big why don't you split it up and I
am thinking about actually because there's asexual sex stories in the book I'm thinking about maybe
doing a smaller book with the stories same stories in it so just for people who don't want the whole
guide to sex I'm thinking but I don't know if Amazon would allow that but the reason I've done
it the way I've done it is because I want all the safety aspects and the consent in there and
assertiveness and boundaries which is what I didn't know when I was a kid well and when I was 16 you
know I didn't know all this so I want to save people pain and heartache,
I want to help prevent sexual abuse situations, and so that is why I'm making this comprehensive,
like, reference book that can sit by a person's bedside for life, and they can pick it up and
refer to it, and it's, like, all the stuff I've been learning over the years about relationships,
dating, healthy relationships, attachment styles, avoidant attachment you know anxious attachment
it's I haven't put everything in there about all these attachment styles because it is an
asexual guide to sex it would just go on forever I could go on forever with it all of those things
are very important for anybody you know boundaries yeah yeah so I want people who whatever sexuality
they are to buy the asexual guide sex like virgins people are inexperienced their education was
missing like mine because even though i'm asexual i've had sex so i i feel i'm really best placed
for my mission so i haven't really revealed my mission yet but my mission is to get asexuality
recognized as a sexual orientation in its own right throughout the globe so no asexual has to live in fear of ridicule ever again so
it's a spiritual mission actually which obviously is very relevant to your podcast and so I believe
I was given this mission by God and the universe and I'm the one that's selected specifically to get it recognized in its own right so most people who know asexuality
are in the lgbt plus community because lgbt plus qia the a stands for asexual some people say it
stands for agender androgynous aromantic some people pronounce that aromantic and some people
think it's allies but it's quite well
known for asexuality and that's all very good and well because there's a lot of people who are
asexual that feel left out in the bigger wider world because we don't experience sexual attraction
in the main it's a lack of sexual attraction but there's a spectrum from pure asexuals to
grey asexuals which I haven't gone into yet but basically it's based on a lack of sexual
attraction whereas lesbians gays bisexuals are still experiencing sexual attraction the normal
sexual attraction unless they're an asexual who identifies as gay bisexual as well but in the main
lesbians gays bisexuals they all experience sexual attraction whereas asexuality is based on a lack
of sexual attraction so it's kind of different in that respect. And it's my personal mission to get it recognised
in its own right. I'm not taking away from LGBT community, you know, because asexuality is part
of the acronym, whatever my thoughts, feelings or other people are about it. But it's my mission to
get it recognised individually, because it is very very different because it is based on lack of sexual attraction.
There are genuine people out there who don't have any need like want or urge for sex whatsoever, which would be the asexuals usually who are the pure asexuals.
And there are grey asexuals that do have sex. There are grey asexuals that are sex positive.
There are asexuals in general that you know they can they
can't choose whether they're asexual or not but they can choose to have sex or not and there's
quite a lot of sex repulsed asexuals out there so some are having sex some aren't having sex so it's
a myth that not every asexual is the same people think that every asexual doesn't have sex or
you know they don't want a relationship which isn't true so there's a lot of myths and stereotypes out there but my mission to get it recognized individually is because i want to stop as many
sexual abuse situations possible and prevent as many as possible by getting it recognized that
there are people out there that genuinely don't want like or need sex and it's okay to feel that
way and the more heterosexuals accept this on dating apps and
dating sites and who know about it the more they can stop putting on people is natural for everyone
everyone likes sex and the expectation of sex on dates and in a relationship all the time it needs
to stop people should be asking like what sexual orientation are you do you know i mean we they
should be a lot more open honest discussion i just feel it's important for me to get it recognized individually. And
that's my mission spiritually. Aside from, you know, sex, a relationship also is important,
like oxytocin. We need oxytocin to survive. And that oxytocin is relationship. That's love,
that's kissing. But it's also just doing what you
and I are doing right now talking and having conversations and just being with other people
so I'm guessing this is part of the reason why you speak out is because you still want to be in
community be in relationships so some asexuals they don't ever want a relationship they want friend yeah not a
romantic relationship some asexuals don't experience romantic attraction or sexual attraction
some asexuals they prefer having a friendship to having a romantic relationship some have queer
platonic relationships and some they just literally have their friends are everything to
them and they have deep friendships I'm in terms of asexuality there's more people that aren't
romantic than romantic so I'm a romantic asexual there's less people available for me I'm only
interesting guys so there's less guys usually that are asexual and there's less romantics among asexuals so for me to
try and find a guy who's romantic who likes kissing a lot because a lot of asexuals don't
like much kissing it's kind of hard and I found out in 2014 I found out I was asexual
so my last long-term relationship was 2011. So I've got to skip now.
If I skip to 2011, I did have good sex with him.
So people are shocked.
They're like, you're asexual because you've had bad sex.
I'm like, no.
And I had a good sexual experience with him.
I'd rather not have bothered.
I'd rather not have it.
But I didn't think, I really want sex with you now.
But he liked that.
I've never had an orgasm in my life. I didn't think I really want sex with you now but he liked that I've never
had an orgasm in my life I don't really understand what that is and I was paranoid about getting
pregnant because I've never wanted children since I was 15 years old I knew I went never wanted kids
and I used to be getting pregnancy test kits just to check I wasn't pregnant I was on birth control
pill but he used to like to do it naturally. And so I had irritable bowel syndrome
and I've got, I have actually got generalized anxiety disorder, which is a condition as well.
And so I used to get worried about being pregnant. So yeah, I found out as asexual,
I think it's important to say this because in 2013, so I split up with my long-term ex in 2014,
took me 18 months to two years to fully get over it in that time I reprogram my mind
to be happy being single using neuro linguistic programming when I did a life coaching course with
the coaching academy in the UK I've also reprogram my mind to be like 21 years old using NLP as well
so that's like the mindset and life I live and well teenager life actually so I'm not interested
in my birth to age at all and I actually like younger foreign guys in their early to mid-20s particularly in Indian so I like colored skin I think it's
gorgeous and beautiful and that's actually Indians are my type but it's very difficult
because they want marriage usually at least so 2011 split up took a year forced myself to be
single because I was dependent I was co-dependent back then I was dependent on a guy
I'd always been in relationships the majority of my life but it wasn't until nearly a year later
I started actually having a first date if you know what I mean and then in 2013 I was in a relationship
with a Bangladeshi guy 23 years old really hot ascetically so some asexuals don't use this
terminology but I found him
aesthetically hot really super attractive and we're kissing kissing on my bed um but then I he
wanted to have sex and I just couldn't bring myself to do it my mind my being my soul just
wouldn't allow it and that's when I realized I was different and I just couldn't however
however much I found him aesthetically attractive um even if my body pounds because I do experience arousal but no sexual
attraction because they're two different things but I didn't realize that time and then within
three weeks he cheated on me so that was the end of that relationship and then after that I need to
fast forward to 2014 because that's when I discovered I'm asexual and I went to see a counsellor and I
NHS counsellor in the UK so professional counsellor and I told her that I can't bring myself to have
sex anymore that the expectation of the sex at the end of the night when I'm dating is making
me almost want to wet myself because I'm so anxious about it and I love kissing and romance but I
don't like sex and I'm worried about it because I don't know what to do I feel like I'm gonna be
alone forever basically and she said absolutely the worst thing that I could have possibly
been told so she said that I'm gonna have to have sex in order to keep a good guy and I was absolutely
horrified like I went home after that and googled I love kissing but not sex and that's how I
discovered I'm asexual because I thought no one should be told they have to have sex in order to
keep a good guy.
That's like a license to rape me because it's something I don't want to do and I don't like it.
And it's basically saying you cannot get love and you cannot have a relationship unless you have sex.
And it was awful. And I went back to her and told her, I think I'm asexual. And she wouldn't look up. She said, oh, the NHS computers won't let us look up such a thing.
And I said, well, you could have looked up at home and she just didn't want to know.
She wasn't interested. And so basically the last session I had with her, I was really in floods of tears.
I was a shock, you know, like I'm something different to what I thought I was for years because I thought I was heterosexual.
And I felt like I needed some help and guidance, but she clearly wasn't the person to give it to me and then that's went more into asexuality.org because that's how I found the biggest online
community for asexuals when I googled I love kissing but not sex and discovered there are
people like me who want a romantic relationship without sex and so that was in 2014 by 2015
January 2015 I was started my asexual meetups and then October 2015 I started doing my asexual
channel and I couldn't talk about sex back then I was so shy I used to be a shy quiet girl at
school actually introverted and I couldn't talk about sex at all I was so shy I was so reserved
and in 2012 I couldn't even be on social media like I was so panicky about being social media
but I knew if I wanted to make my mark in the world I'd have to be on social media and then in
in 2015 I'm like you're gonna have to talk about sex manual because it's gonna crop up with
asexuals and I was shy I would only talk about it with a boyfriend not my parents not even the best
girl friend or anyone and then I'm thinking you can't take it to the grave with you like if you
take it to the grave with you it's gonna take it to the grave with you it's going to help no one this information so you need to come out break through your anxiety
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My goodness. Like you found other people that were like, yeah, I'm like that too. And then you knew there was probably other people
out there that felt the same and you've reached out to them. You've wrote a book for them. You've
created a community for them and this meetup group. So how successful have you been with
actually connecting with other people? Right. This is very interesting. So how successful have you been with actually connecting with other people?
Right. This is very interesting. So on my channel, I cover asexual life, love, dating,
relationships, friendship. And like I said, since 2018, it's like a reality TV show. So all the
viewers come on my journey with me, the ups and the downs. I've had over 600,000 views on my
channel. So over half a million and growing and I run six
asexual groups on Facebook three asexual Facebook pages I've got asexualized.com is my website
and yeah so I'm on I currently I'm on Facebook dating I'm on Badoo now Badoo.com has got a
category for asexuals so it's good but you can't filter looking for asexual so
you can say you're asexual in sexual orientation but when it comes up with the filters they've got
like bisexual gay lesbian open-minded heterosexual but they haven't got asexual and i'm like that's
disappointing so far i've only come across seven guys who are on the asexual
spectrum there and none of them are suitable for me Facebook dating I haven't come across one
genuine asexual guy that I know of yet some of them lie unfortunately so I've been looking for
my Indian soulmates since 2014 I'm like where is he you mentioned a great asexual oh yes I need to explain that
thank you so the asexuality is a sexual orientation that's a lack of sexual attraction
but it's also a spectrum of identities within the asexuality spectrum umbrella so I'm going to try
and simplify this as much as possible so if we simplify it into two
categories of asexual the pure asexuals and the great asexuals the pure asexuals don't experience
any sexual attraction whatsoever meaning they don't look at someone and get the need urge or
want for partnered sexual intercourse they don't look at someone and think, I want sex with you. So it's complete lack of
sexual attraction. The grey asexuals, on the other hand, which is its own spectrum under the asexual
spectrum, and some people who are under the grey asexual spectrum choose to identify as asexual
because it is on the asexuality spectrum, but some of them don't. But grey asexuality is part of the sexual end of the asexual spectrum before
sexual spectrum begins and so grey asexuals do experience sexual attraction but only under
limited rare or specific circumstances or they experience it but not enough to want to act on it
and amongst those are also the demisexuals the demisexuals cannot experience any sexual attraction
unless and until a deep emotional bond has been formed and usually maintained and reciprocated
it doesn't mean to say everyone they have an emotional bond with they're going to experience
that sexual attraction with but it can happen for them but until then they feel like they don't
experience any sexual attraction and then under those categories, you've got loads of different subcategories of asexuals.
So it gets to be a bit of a minefield and there's new subcategories and identities coming up.
But there's two main categories, if you like, and sub identities within those.
We're all so different. So it's really hard to put everybody just under one.
You know, there's so many things that are on a spectrum. You know, I have to say, I just recently,
or I am taking a course and it does have to do with sexual energy and actually doesn't really
have to do necessarily with another person. Yeah. It's just about the spiritual power behind sexual energy which is the energy of creation
that is more powerful than any other energy we experience yeah I've heard about that I don't
feel I have sexual energy though myself I don't feel that way I feel I can be creative and do
amazing things without sexual energy I mean I do know of it i'm aware of it but i don't
necessarily agree with it some people believe you can only do certain things if you've got sexual
energy as an asexual who feels i don't have sexual energy myself i think that's very limiting beliefs
i think the ideology that you can only do certain things if you have sexual energy is very limiting
beliefs is basically saying if you don't have sexual energy you can't do things no I don't think it's that though necessarily
I mean I mean I definitely had my first three children and there wasn't a lot of sexual energy
going on there it was just breathing so I'm here to tell you you can't even create you know lives
without having you know massive build-up of energy And maybe I'll even send you some information.
You can look into it and maybe you can even do a, an episode on it.
I don't know.
For one, you know, we haven't had parents, you know, our generation anyways, having had
parents who sat down and talked to us about it.
They're definitely not going to tell you that in school, you know, what to feel or what
you might not feel or what you should do.
If somebody pressures you, you know,
there's a lot of that, but women have for generations and generations. I mean, well,
since the beginning of time, I mean, it was all about, you know, could you provide a son,
right. For our lineage to continue on, you were really kind of like,
and if you didn't breed a boy or whatever, or children, I mean, they would put you away.
That's crazy. But now women today, we have more choice. We're demanding respect. Gone are the
days of you just taking my body without my permission. Right. And we're speaking up and
we can talk about sex openly. I mean, that's not something people did before. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like I was on an antidepressant for like
seven years, you know, and during that time I had a hard time having sex. I had a hard time getting
into it. I didn't, I could have just decided not to have sex for the rest of my life. I mean,
I just had no pleasure. I didn't desire that whatsoever. And I also was a mom and busy, you know, and, and just had interest in other things.
And I think that when I got off the medicine, you know, things changed, you know, my chemicals
in my body changed a little bit and I kind of aligned back up with that sexual energy.
But now I'm going towards 50, I'm 47.
And now that I, yeah.
And you know, if it happens, it happens.
If it doesn't, it doesn't, which is one of the reasons why I was curious and kind of
taking that course where maybe I could control my own sexual energy, kind of create it more.
And so it's one of the reasons why I was interested in taking that course.
I think also men go through it too.
As they get older, they get more estrogen.
We get more testosterone.
It's like, what is happening here and you know I
just feel like there's some hormonal changes going on with me as I age and so that's becoming less
above priority all right this is really interesting because since I found out I'm asexual I understand
myself a lot better so I understand I have kissing knees now I understand I have arousal where kissing
is concerned but it doesn't have to have anyone involved with it I can just think about it for myself I found the guys on
on dating sites doesn't matter the age they are still really horny including guys are older I
don't I'm not really interested in guys who are older I occasionally change my filters for guys
who I wouldn't usually be interested in and I am in dating groups and non-asexual dating groups as
well as other asexual dating groups on Facebook I run three dating groups of my own for asexuals i'm in other asexual dating groups but i'm also in
non-asexual dating groups and i've never taken antidepressants so although i was depressed for
a lot of of my years i never took medication for depression never taken it for anxiety
i've never had it for fibromyalgia i'm i'm a person. A lot of the time I don't like taking meds.
I have fibromyalgia too, by the way. Do you take meds?
No, I know. You know, I did years, like a decade ago, but then I got off of all of them and I
started doing stuff like meditation, chanting and other ways to get rid of my pain, which definitely
works. Did you know I got this fibromyalgia self-help handbook published this in 2019 so this is
basically fibromyalgia self-help handbook which again is on amazon how to manage fibromyalgia
to have less pain more energy and feel happier like a superhero rock star and it's told in a
superhero style throughout the book and there's me on the back covering my ace fibro girl outfit
so i'm dressed up yeah definitely get it it's honestly like a
personal development book in disguise it tells you how to reduce pain in 25 aspects of your life
that you can apply to yourself with or without fibromyalgia my triggers are stress period I mean
the other day the most stressful day I woke up lost keys, found him at like six o'clock, which is late.
And then about an hour or so later, my mom lost her keys and she's at the movie theater with my children, can't come home.
I'm like, what is the loss of the keys thing?
I mean, it was such a stressful day.
And that night, my body hurt all night long.
I had restless leg syndrome.
I only got like, I think it was like 59 solid minutes of sleep because I tracked my sleep.
And because of that awareness, I'm able to know that if I continue to ignore all that,
I will just go right back into that fibromyalgia.
But really, truly, I've learned to control it you know through just tools and
self-love was a huge one because I was giving out everything to everybody else and never to myself
you know and when you do that your body will react and some people are more sensitive than others
and it sounds like you are a very sensitive person yeah an empath maybe because I know
I'm an empath if someone's talking about like headaches
I get a headache I'm empathetic from the point of view like if an ambulance goes by I immediately
go I hope everyone's all right I don't know who it's for or why but I'm like I hope everyone's
all right you know I can tell you're like that you're so yeah yes thank you yeah oh I want to
say something about guinea pigs so with guinea pigs I can always
tell when something's wrong I feel them and it's very difficult because all the guinea pigs I had
in the past since leaving home with my parents have all had things wrong with them
and I bought one guinea pig once a female and she was pregnant and meant to be a male but she was pregnant and had three babies
unfortunately I don't have any guinea pigs anymore but in the past my guinea pigs used to be very
randy so I used to think that the sexual energy I lack it's all in them I've had two girl guinea
pigs like get it on before as well as a brother and sister even though they've had the snip and
stuff and they used to be at it like trying to hump each other all the time and running around
the cage after each other so I feel that my guinea pigs used to make up for the sexual energy that I
lacked and it was all going on them and I'm like I'm asexual but my guinea pigs definitely aren't
they're the exact opposite of me so yeah did you know about my guinea pigs no
have you got guinea pigs I don't have any anymore
okay so
my daughter she loves animals more than
she does people I'll be honest my youngest
and she's like I want to go
and get a fish mom can I get a fish
and I was like sure
so we go to the pet store we're going to get maybe
a beta fish right I think I'm going to leave
you know with maybe $30 worth of fish stuff and call it a day.
No.
We leave with a guinea pig.
And one guinea pig.
The next day, guinea pig is sad.
So Kinsley tells me, you know, mom, in Switzerland, it's illegal to buy one guinea pig.
You have to have two.
So here we are. We have two guinea pig yeah you have to have two so here we are we have two guinea pigs
and they shit like I've never seen in my life no animal shits like that so interesting that you're
my last baby girl I get really upset talking about it she died in my arms before Christmas so yeah
I'm still healing from that and it was difficult because I had to move home
right after she died I was well I didn't move home then but I had to look for somewhere else
to live because my ex-landlord now sold the place I've been in for years to his son and I had to
quit my full-time job so I used to do the stuff for asexuals on top of like a job but now I just
devote my time to that and then I joined Blue Talks in February this year.
So I'm speaking for Blue Talks in Oxford in October. I'm in a new chapter in their book
with Ken Honda. And so I'm studying obviously more to do with public speaking. I'm getting
on more podcasts. And so I really dedicate even more of my time to asexuality, which I
did predominantly before, but now I can devote more time to it. I'm always busy doing stuff.
I'm always like doing
channels and stuff and growing them so yeah let me ask you do some asexual people have children
or do they desire to have children oh right yeah so I have to say I just don't represent every
asexual I'm quite unique but yeah there are some asexuals even in my asexual perspectives book
what we were talking about earlier and there's some of there
that have children already so in terms of children some asexuals will have sex just to have children
they never have sex again some asexuals don't mind having sex so they're in relationships having sex
they're sex positive sex neutral sex indifferent they're not bothered one way or the other
some like it's an activity to do so some
asexuals want kids they want them by normal means having sexual intercourse penetrative vaginal sex
basically they're fine doing that some asexuals are some people are asexual and they've had kids
already didn't realize they're asexual so they come to the asexual community realizing years
later they're asexual they lack sexual attraction even though they've got children from past relationships often it's past relationships
because a lot of the time their relationships are broken down because they found out they're asexual
and it stopped working the relationship and so but this is not the case for everyone but you do find
that and then some asexuals will adopt kids because they don't physically want them they'll do adoption or fostering some asexuals have IVF some asexuals want kids like kids and they still have the
maternal instinct to have kids I've never had that since I was 15 I knew I didn't want kids
I knew I didn't even want to adopt but you're obviously very nurturing and caring I mean yeah
so so yes okay yes so I get on well with kids as little beings
in their own right. I'm not really into babies, although babies feel very safe in my company
because I am very protective even of myself and other people, my friends. So babies will come and
hold my little finger, for example, because they know I'm safe and kids will automatically come up
and start holding my hand. I've had that since being a kid myself. What is your hope in doing this? I mean, I, like I was saying earlier, it kind of seemed like your
book was also really speaking to everyone about the things that they need to have like boundaries.
Yeah. So with my asexual guide to sex book that I'm still editing, doing the final edits for,
I've been actually spending the last week soundproofing my home to try and make it
better for podcasts, which again is to raise awareness of asexuality, everything to do with asexuality.
Basically, with my Asexual Guide to Sex book, I see it as a very important book. My ambition for
it is to get on 100 podcasts at least. And I believe that it will enable me to help bridge
the gap between asexuals and heterosexuals to
help foster more understanding between the different sexualities so that I can help
fulfill my mission of getting asexuality taken seriously by heterosexuals and to understand
that asexuality is a real thing you know there's genuinely some people who don't like, want or need sex. And I see me getting on podcasts to do with
dating, relationships, sex podcasts, asexual podcasts and on YouTube shows and stuff like
that. So I see my mission as well as to try and get it into bookstores, physical bookstores,
which is very difficult to do, I know, but I'm going to try to do that um I'm a registered publisher in the UK
anyway in 2017 I fulfilled that dream I've been a registered publisher uh with quirky books it's my
own publishing imprint I use but I want to get out to more libraries I want to get it into more
people's hands I mean ideally I'd like to get it into counsellors hands therapists and I would like
to get it spread as much as possible I've done the asexual guide to sex
specifically on purpose to cater kind of for the asexual market which obviously is predominantly
aimed at but also the sexual market to help those people who are virgins who are not experiencing
sex or who are missing the education and you know need this advice help you know it can help anyone yeah but I just I'm
just so ambitious about it you know it's even hard for some and most heterosexuals to talk about sex
so you kind of are opening that up too and yeah like that because you're just like it's okay to
talk about this stuff and sharing your story I mean I used to think that vulnerability was a
like oh god you know don't share you know your weaknesses and your and your story. I mean, I used to think that vulnerability was like,
oh God, you know, don't share, you know, your weaknesses and your, and your stuff. But I see
that it's really what connects everybody collectively. Yeah. That's a really good
point actually. Cause when I'm on my asexual channel, I do share my life journey. So I do
talk about my dates and stuff. I love your show. Oh yeah. You are in my chat thank you so much I loved your channel it's great
and I think it's so important to be real and authentic yes and you know like a couple of
days later I will literally say how I'm getting through this difficult emotional time what I'm
doing how I'm thinking how I'm I'm using my mindset to get over it and get through it so asexuals on my channel
can always see asexuality on a daily basis in real life context and how to overcome those daily
challenges including when a date doesn't go the way you want it to when you feel something for
someone it's not reciprocated or it just can't happen and they can go through that pain with me
but I can also inspire them this This is how I got over it.
Couple of days later, I'm here again, right?
I'm bouncing back.
I'm going out again.
I'm self-loving, self-dating, taking care of myself, grieving, which is healthy.
And so we should be expressing our emotions.
We shouldn't be afraid to cry in public.
We should be open about that because repressing and suppressing emotions
is what causes things like fibromyalgia
as you probably know and did you know that tears from sadness actually have toxins they are toxic
and the tears from happiness do not have toxins oh I didn't know that so it's your body's way of
literally trying to cleanse itself by releasing but tell everybody where they can find your book
where they can find you.
Do you have a website?
Yes, it's asexualize.com is my website.
That's spelled A-S-E-X-U-A-L-I-S-E.com. I also have the version with the Z in it as well.
Because asexualize can be spelled two different ways.
Asexualize My Asexual Life is my channel.
I've got pages on facebook as well i
also started an asexualized dating channel recently please check that out so it's asexualized my
asexual life is my main channel that's had over 600 000 views i talk about love life dating
relationships from an asexual point of view and it's like a personal development daily blog vlog whatever you want to call it it's a bit of everything so i do asexual entertainment
lifestyle uh education information on my main asexualize my asexual life channel so it shows
asexuality in real life context which i love i think it's so important to have that rather than
just questions and answers about asexuality it's like how do i cope in real life so that's my main
channel which you definitely subscribe to that and asexualized dating it's asexualized dating
as a handle uh on on on youtube but it's also called no bs dating relationship advice so that
is how i want to be known like i'm telling it like it is no bullshit basically because i'm sick and
tired of people bullshitting and playing games i'm like no because I can sense um I'm very
good at being able to spot abusers and narcissists online now especially on dating so that potentially
is gonna expand more like I'm maybe I don't know if I'm gonna do more books or courses for that
particular part of dating and relationships in the future but as
something I specialize in quite a lot I've learned over the years a lot to do with manipulation
narcissistic abuse and all that type of thing I'm very clued up on it nowadays so I do have videos
on my asexual life my asexual life channel like that I'm very good at spotting them on dating
sites so it's very important because I think we're only going to get more and more online so more and more dating is going to happen so it's really important so I I've only just started
on the 2nd of July uh 2023 um and so yeah in the first month I've had over 8 000 views already
so 25 subscribers for me I think that's good because the stats are healthy um yeah and I'm also at
makemoneymakecash.com and makemoneymakecash youtube channel I'm known as the asexual
entrepreneur there so everything I do is geared towards asexuality so yeah my book so I got two
books out well two main books I have five but these are the main
important ones to me because these are ones that change lives so this is my other ones are kind of
more technical books I've written a book about redundancy as well but these are my two top ones
so this one is asexual perspectives 47 asexual stories love life and sex a celebration of
asexual diversity but if you type in asexual perspectives it usually
comes up um it's available on amazon barnes and noble waterstones blackwells walmart websites and
can be ordered from any good bookshop awesome so you can walk in and all that and then uh
fibromyalgia self-help handbook how to manage fibromyalgia to have less pain more energy you
feel happier like a superhero rock star it's really good i mentioned asexuality in here as well so this is available on amazon
it's available barnes and noble blackwell's and walmart so and you can order it from good book
shops as well so yeah and see me in my ace fiber got ace by the way is the slang or nickname for
asexual in case you didn't know that. Okay. So thank you so much.
Yes.
Whatever this energy is, sexual or not, it's amazing.
So thank you so much for what you're doing and for just being you and putting it out there.
Thank you, Shama.
It's been really amazing experience talking to you.
I've loved it.
You're a nice interviewer as well.
It was super fun
you're in my space oh I love being in your space you've got a lovely personality and you've got a
gorgeous voice got like a velvety voice well thanks Sandra thank you so much sending you lots of love
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