Sense of Soul - Turning Trauma Into Treasures

Episode Date: July 24, 2023

Today on Sense of Soul Podcast we have Asher and Lavinia, Co-Founder + Chief Operations Officer’s of Life Changing Wisdom, hosts of  Pandora’s Awareness Podcast and co-authors of the book, Turn Your Traumas Into Treasures. This first book of in the Demi Divine series encapsulates the essence of their message, a concept they’ve come to understand and apply in their lives: "You don't have traumas, you only have treasures". Providing you with the tools to build a healthy self-narrative. They are Life Changing Wisdom Coaches who can help you move even closer to your vision. They serve dedicated professionals, entrepreneurs, students, and lifelong learners, with a specialized focus on individuals with ADHD and Dyslexia. Helping you to harness your unique abilities and perspectives. They work closely with business owners and individuals who are seeking a breakthrough with life transitions, as well as those who are seeking a breakthrough mentally, spiritually and physically. They offer personalized one-on-one virtual coaching sessions tailored to suit your needs, allowing you to engage with them from the comfort of your own private space. Their wisdom coaching focuses on self-discovery rather than a "fix you" approach, guiding you through significant life transitions with a healthy, empowering narrative. Learn more: https://www.lifechangingwisdom.com/ https://www.demidivine.com/ https://instagram.com/lifechangingwisdomcoach?igshid=Y2I2MzMwZWM3ZA== https://www.facebook.com/LIFECHANGINGWISDOMCOACH https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAAfIqlTzO_l4PZyOJT8A Learn more about Sense of Soul Podcast: https://www.senseofsoulpodcast.com Check out the NEW affiliate deals! https://www.mysenseofsoul.com/sense-of-soul-affiliates-page Check out the Ethereal Network! https://www.mysenseofsoul.com/ethereal-network Follow Sense of Soul on Patreon, and join to get ad free episodes, circles, mini series and more! https://www.patreon.com/senseofsoul Follow Sense of Soul on Social Media! https://www.mysenseofsoul.com/sos-links  

Hello, my soul-seeking friends. It's Shanna. Thank you so much for listening to Sense of Soul Podcast. Enlightening conversations with like-minded souls from around the world. Sharing their journey of finding their light within, turning pain into purpose, and awakening to their true sense of soul. If you like what you hear, show me some love and rate, like, and subscribe. And consider becoming a Sense of Soul Patreon member, where you will get ad-free episodes, monthly circles, and much more.

Now go grab your coffee, open your mind, heart, and soul. It's time to awaken. Hey guys, I just wanted to give a shout out to all of my amazing Patreon members. Thank you so much for your support for Sense of Soul Podcast. And also check out the Network of Lightworkers on senseofsoulpodcast.com, where you can work with one of my favorite guests. They are offering Sense of Soul listeners amazing programs, so check it out. And today on Sense of Soul, I have Asher and Lavinia.

They are co-founders of Life Changing Wisdom, wisdom coaches that can help you move even closer to your vision, helping you to harness unique abilities and perspectives. Their wisdom coaching focuses on self-discovery rather than a fix-you approach, guiding you through significant life transitions. They are also the host of a podcast called Pandora's Awareness Podcast, and they're joining us today to tell us about their new book they co-authored, the first book in the Demi-Divine series called Turn Your Traumas Into Treasures, providing you with tools to help you build a healthy self-narrative.

So please welcome Asher and Lavinia. Hi. Hey, how are you? Good, good. Excited for today's podcast. How are you? I'm good. Hello. Janna, soul, soul, soul, sense of soul lady. Hello, good. Excited for today's podcast. How are you? I'm good. Hello.

Jonna, soul, soul, soul, sense of soul lady. Hello, hello. Hello. And you know what? I'm in Colorado. You are? No way. Where? I'm in Aurora. So, wait, y'all are in Colorado Springs, am I right? I am in Tampa, Florida. Oh, okay.

I'm melting here. I'm smelting. It's so hot and humid already. What about you, Asher? I'm in Colorado Springs, but actually I'm moving right now. I'm moving to Connecticut. That is a state I started at first when I immigrated to the United States, joined the military, left. My parents live there. My sisters, one of my brothers live there. So i'm going back to spend some time with my family because i haven't seen much of them very cool i'm originally from new orleans i'm louis yeah i would have been here like maybe twice i think what that was that strip car where everybody go party that's real perban street talking about originally i'm romanian That's why I have an accent.

I moved to the United States five months ago. And most of the time, God blesses me with a nice flow of thoughts and words in English. But sometimes I might have a brain freeze. So I apologize in advance. That's where I come in. One of my best friends are from Romania. No. Love her. And she's there. She from Romania. No. Oh. Love her.

And she's there? She's there with you? Yes. You know what? She came here when she was 18 years old, and she's like a year older than me, and I'm 47. So, yeah, she's definitely one of my dearest friends that I have. And, you know, her being from Armenia has taught me a lot about, you know, the differences between Europeans and cultures. Yes. Yes. And I'd say one of the most things that stuck out to me is how she will drop anything to help you. I mean, this girl, I remember I came

back from Louisiana one time and I had lice. Oh my God. My mother wouldn't even let me in her front door. No, she was like, but Louisa sat there all night long, overnight, pulling those nits out of my hair.

She'd not leave my side. She was there for me. That's just the kind of friend she is and so yeah thank you for sharing them yeah good people so welcome and where are you from asher i'd love to know originally i grew up in jamaica that's when i was 18 almost 19 so yeah jamaica it is and you're doing very well for 47, by the way. I was looking at him like, wow, lady. Yes, I wanted to say that. I wouldn't be even more than 32. Is it the mountain, the mountain, the mountain, the mountain wind, the mountain air? You know, I would have to say it's probably my French Creole roots.

What? It's got to be. My mom looks very young too. All of the women in my family, all the men in my family who are from Louisiana, who are French, we're French Creole and Cajun. So we've got those roots and I, and I have to say it must be that. I don't, I don't know. Listen, if you, if you connect to the root, that means you're getting a lot of nutrients. So I listened to your podcast this morning. I love it. I actually listened to the last, I think might've been the last one that you had. It was a gentleman who had been imprisoned for 23 years. Oh, Marlon, my buddy Marlon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's powerful that he turned his life around. And I love what you guys are sharing, the pain to purpose stories. So ladies first, why don't you tell us who you are? And how about just maybe a little bit about your background and how you came into this work? Yeah, I'm all about

empowering people to live their dream. You cannot enjoy your present reality and create a better future and accomplish your dreams if you don't heal your past. And I don't know one person in this world who did not have a trauma. We all had. Either that was, you know, you were abused physically, verbally, emotionally. You weren't accepted. You weren't validated. Whatever that trauma was for you, it's big for you.

And Asher and I, we are sharing the story of our traumas, but you won't find that in a book that we just put together to empower people to heal their traumas and transform them into treasures. We don't talk about ourselves. It's all about empowering you to go through the healing journey that we went through. And we do share our stories just to make people aware of, you know, hey, that's my trauma. And it might not seem big deal for you. I lost my daddy when I was 14. And I'm sure at one point Asher was saying like, oh, maybe that's not such a big deal because everybody's losing their parents at one point.

It was traumatizing for me. It scarred me for 20 years. I could not have a normal life. I could not have a normal relationship with people around me and even with me because I felt abandoned. He died because of a terrible health issue. And my mom was my hero because she's a medical assistant. And while he was in his last years of life and he was very sick in and out of the hospital, in and out of two comas. She practically moved to the hospital.

She was having her eight hours work and then she was just going to a different floor to stay with him and take care of him. And I have goosebumps when I remember right now because that was hard for me. I had to see my father when I was 12 getting out of the coma. He didn't know how to speak. So I rushed to the hospital to see him because I received the call that he's out of the coma. And when I entered his room, he could not say my name. He couldn't speak.

So my mom was trying to make him learn to talk again you know and he's like who's here and said and she pushed him like who's here and said love and I will never forget my brain registered that way he said my name it was such a struggle for him and you know that's traumatizing for a 12 year old kid. I know I went to all churches after that he fell into another coma and he died. But before that, I, you know, I was promising everything to God to just do a miracle and save my dad, my first love, you know, the son of my life. I mean, I was looking up to him and the most important, I was left with so much love in my heart for a father that wasn't there anymore.

And I didn't know what to do with that love. I didn't know what to do with that hurt. I fell into the victim mindset of I'm so hurt. I don't have a father. I'll never have a father. He won't walk me down the aisle. He won't be there with me when I would graduate. He won't be there to be proud of me.

So it was hard to deal with it. But again, 20 years later, I managed to completely heal and release that love that I was still holding on to. But it was a long journey. And we want to share it with people because, hey, you might have easier path, a shorter path. If you have the right people around you, if you have the right tools around you, if you have a book like Turn Your Traumas Into Treasures, where we give some tips and ideas on how to rewrite your story, because we don't want to minimize your trauma that's there. It was a big thing for you as it was for me. So if somebody around me will say, oh, that's not a big deal. I know for you, but for me, it was.

But you have to rewrite that story and see it with different eyes, from a different perspective. Like Wayne Dyer was saying, one of my favorite self-help authors out there and motivational speakers, he was saying, when you change the way you look at things,

the things you look at change. Therefore, I was blessed to be able to rewrite my story and free myself from that pain and and need of having him around me but I did it myself it was a long journey because I didn't have the tools I didn't have the people to guide me I did not afford to go to a therapist and hey I'm from romania you can hear the accent therapists and psychologists are not in our culture you go to them if you have a big issue mental issue you know like even even if they are right now and we started to embrace them back in the days it wasn't there weren't too many available to go to to begin with with. Sorry for talking too long. Oh, no.

Believe me, girl. I told you I got a good friend who's from Romania. I know. But you know what? I also know that you guys are very strong women too. That is definitely one thing I do know as well. And I too had to change my perception on losing my father as well. And I say now that he gave me birth twice, once in life and once in his death. And so, yeah, that was definitely a big part of my journey as well.

What about you, Asher? You know, what's your story and how did you find your treasures? Shana, well, for you folks that are listening to this podcast, definitely, I am so happy to be here with you and get to share the journey a little bit and get to connect with you. So, for the listeners, just imagine,

if you're a modern-day mother today, just imagine that you're 34 years old and you already have nine kids. And if you're a modern day father, just imagine being a father of nine kids without a formal education. Now, when I think about my story,

I gotta take it back a little bit in history. So you just take this imaginary journey with me. So I asked myself this question, like who is the most successful people I know? And the answer comes back to my parents and here's the reason for this like growing up right my dad lost both his parents by the age of 10 so he didn't have an opportunity to go to school my mom at 34 years old already had nine kids now in society they might look at this like wow this lady had that many kids but then when

you fast forward 30 years later, all those kids are grown up and able to take care of her. Then that's a treasure right there. But I realized this thing I learned from my dad, which without a formal education, that man was able to accomplish a lot because he applied his current capability at the time. So growing up, I realized that at the age of 35,

the only book I read from cover to cover was the Bible. So it felt like it took me 35 years to read one book. Now at the age of 36, I said, Asher, you got to change your story. Because growing up, I suffered from what I call ADD and dyslexia. So I had those symptoms in my life. And my dad used to always tell me, Asher, sit your ass down and go read a book.

And I never listened because I didn't have the desire to really go read because ADD and dyslexia kind of take away that desire. Because looking at symbols and words in a book didn't really stimulate me really much. It was like a tranquilizer, put me to sleep. So I didn't enjoy it. So I said the challenge at 36, I said, hey, I'm going to change my story. I'm going to change this journey I'm on. I'm going to read and list 100 books a year and 1,000 books in 10 years. I'm on my seventh year, almost 700 books already.

Now, I love a challenge. If you're a person that loves a challenge, like looking for a way to make sense of your life, or just really like to really contribute to and advocate other people's life, then definitely join me on this journey so i also set another challenge i'm going to write 86 books by my 86th birthday so to speak so now right now me and lavinia taking on a challenge which i will publish our first book it's coming out it's out already it's called turning traumas into treasure um and then we got more 84 85 more books to kind of work on this time so i got 43 more years to write 85 more books,

which is the journey I'm on right now. But that's a short version of the story. So that's what I'm working on right now. And I'm looking for people that if you're looking for clarity in life or looking to find that purpose or that sense of patience, then that's the journey I'm on because I went through a lot of ways to really find patience because I learned the hard way most things because of the ADD and dyslexia. So I learned that it's easy for some people to learn certain things, but it was not for me. But no, that makes me one of the greatest teachers out there because I know the teacher because of the way it took me long to kind of learn certain things. Over to you, Sharna. My gosh. So I too have ADHD as well. And I have a child on the spectrum and I have a daughter who also had struggled with

anxiety in ADHD. And I'll tell you because of those, I hate to even call them disabilities because in many ways they're blessings. I mean, she is probably one of the most successful 24 year olds that I know, but she had to work her way through. She had to do extra work. She had to stay after school. She had to find other ways to figure out how to learn because she didn't fit in the box. And in doing that, she was really having to trust in her own intuition and follow her own guidance of how she did it, rather than the world saying, this is how you do it. So in many ways, that's a blessing, right? Because I mean, my oldest son, oh my God, he's so smart, you know, just came here, you know,

read by three years old, but he wasn't the better student in the end. Because she was a hard worker. She learned to work hard for what she has and that became part of her right her part of her strength so my ADHD I'm like the half-ass multitasker I love it you. And just to continue on your ADHD topic. Yeah, me three. I have symptoms. I think everyone does. Yeah. I did not take any, you know, medical advice to see if I do have it to be confirmed, but I have the symptoms. I kind of, I mean, some of the symptoms, you know, so yeah, it's there, but I want to say that growth comes from not being in a comfort zone. So because of, you know, all these challenges that we had growing up with the conventional way of learning, the conventional school, because of these challenges, we weren't in a comfort zone ever. Therefore, we had to overcome these challenges and become even better. So we do have

actually a podcast where we talk about how a beautiful brain the ADHD is and how we think that it has its place in society and it had its place before when we were tribes and how, you know, we were probably the ones that we were supposed to be alert for threats, right? So that's why our attention is shifts easily. So I think that there is a purpose behind our brain, because we are meant to function in community. And different type of brains will do different tests that are needed for the humanity to evolve and survive. Oh my gosh, I'm laughing because listeners are going to go from one subject to the next, to the next, and God knows what's going to happen in this interview. There are three folks with a lot of knowledge that we want to share

because we don't want to be selfish and keep it for ourselves. And you might be the resident here, Shana. So have you ever get into a chaotic situation? Like you grow in chaos, right? And you're in a space of chaos and you get it. Like you just get it. And then somebody puts you

in a place that's very organized. And you're like, huh, I don't get it. Right? So here's how my brain works. I realized because I got a creative brain, like my dyslexia, my ADD, it's really hard. Meaning that I have so much ideas and creativity.

When you put me in an organized structure, like I'm like, there's no place for me. I don't have any work to do because I'm here to create something different. But you put me in chaos. My mind comes alive. I get it. So I noticed that when I was in the military,

I did 22 years in the military. So it was very challenging for me because I am good at creating ideas, but military is designed a certain way. You got to follow a certain system. So it was very challenging for me because I am good at creating ideas, but military is designed a certain way. You've got to follow a certain system. So it was very tough for me. So I had to learn how to follow structure. But I realized that what society do, which I call a system of normalized averages society, what they do is

they lock us into these things. What they do, for example, they lock me inside my culture, Shana. They lock me inside my color and trap me there. They lock you inside your gender, trap you there, right? Lock you inside your culture, your religion, so forth, and trap you there. So I realized that for me to think creatively, I got to see myself above all those organizations. I'm above the organization of color, the organization of gender, the

organization of sex, the organization of culture, so forth, religion, so forth, and so on. So I realized that my brain works better when I think i'm above all those organizations so people that are out there that are listening like you might feel yourself really really thriving in chaos you're like you're wondering why you're thriving chaos all you you find yourself creating chaos because your brain works better in it my brain works better because in chaos i can create things in organization structure when it's too organized i can't create i'm stuck i'm trapped i want to create something new that's what my brain thrives in if that make any sense to you it makes sense but i also want to say that hey that's a traumatizing experience itself to grow in this

society and school system as a kid where you feel like you're not as smart just because you don't have the same way of learning like the other kids. Or you're actually maybe even smarter or as smart or who knows, because we are not measuring IQs here, but you just have a different way of learning. That's it. And therefore, going back to the book, we are sharing ways of growing as a person and understanding that you can write your story,

rewrite your story to empower yourself and become the victor. Take back the power instead of being a victim. So, you know, it's so interesting. I was just thinking about, I am way too chaotic in my mind to ever become like brainwashed even. Or to be so conditioned. That's why I've always struggled with following just this religion, just these rules. I can't stay in a box because that's too like structured. A box doesn't work for me because it's too structured.

It's square and I'm not. My box is all fucked up looking you know I mean I don't think I want to be like the type of person that fits in the box I never looked at it this way before yeah I think that that's what I'm saying it's a place for everybody in this society I think that we are more creative because of the unconventional shape that we are in right our box is colorful the only problem is is that i have about 50 different creative projects going on and probably only have like one that's almost finished so so here's something that that uh an adhd brain or something people that are very creative like like us are we need to think about the who's right the who's of

the world because certain things we're good at like i was telling lavinia like like i'm a first and second quarter person i'm easy to start things i'm very creative when it comes to starting things and i love lavinia because sometimes she play a role for my life where she's like a third and fourth quarter person she helped me finish it off so sometimes in your brain there's shana you gotta find people that are the third and fourth quarter people can help you finish things you can start a lot of things you need help finishing them because you're so creative. I realize that about myself. That's so true.

My best friend, Mandy, used to co-host with me. And I'd say she has probably got ADHD too, but she has strengths where I have weaknesses. And so we just really, really, you know, fit like that. And so that was good. This podcast has actually taught me a lot about,

I mean, it's the first time I've ever been able to have like an actual schedule. You know, my therapist had always tried to get me because I've always tried, you know, I've tried cognitive therapy, different things. And actually just recently, last night, actually, have you ever heard of lion's mane? It's a mushroom. So is there another name for it? Lion name oh probably the mushroom it's a hairy white looking mushroom you could buy it like in real form you could buy a powder but i bought a capsule it's supposed to be really good for attention support and memory as well as nervous system and digestive so here is here is how we structure but we write a book it's a combination of fiction

on fiction yeah so we created two characters in the book, which is going to be something that we worked on over the next couple of books we've written. So one of the main characters is Sister Amma. She's like a wise mystic. And then Bretta Kofi. It's like brother, but in Jamaica we say Bretta. So I say Bretta Kofi.

And he's like the jokester. And then they just went on this journey, which kind of you know go through different stories and different life experience and kind of give you some wisdom some and the humor is part of it like don't take your life too serious and so forth and so on but we kind of integrate different stories in it so we write it that kind of way so we're going to talk about the person put you in the story if you in the story and the book series name is Demi Divine which is going to write most of the books under that series name. The book is based on what we call mental intercourse. Mental intercourse is all about

how you have that deeper communication with your physical experience of reality. So how you communicate that with other people, how you write your own story. So that's the mental intercourse part. So how you have that amazing mental intercourse with your own story, your own journey. And the opening quote in the book we start off with, which I think I'm all about language these days, Shana, is from Desmond Tutu, which summarizes the book itself. It says, language is very powerful. Language does

not just describe reality. Language creates reality to describe. So I realized the power of words and language. I realized the importance that it is in your life. So when you figure out how you communicate reality, it's based on the language you use. So now you think about your past, your trauma, all the stuff you have, it's based on how you label them, how you language them. And if you language them disempowering, if you awfulize the story, then now that's the story you're going to

live out. So I realize how powerful language is. That's the reason why I went on this task of like, I'm going to learn language. I'm going to learn words because that's why i used to frame my reality so people that are out there right now you have a story but what happened is you've framed it the way that is disempowering so you're familiar with a cube right so if you look at a cube from all different angles cube is the same thing just like your story is the same thing but if you set yourself on different angles and look at your story it's going to be different but it's going to be the same story so i use the same the same thing. But if you set yourself on different angles and look at your story, it's going to be different. But it's going to be the same story. So I use the same analogy. So your story

might be awful right now. It might be trauma. But if you set your angle, it's going to be treasure. But it's all about finding utility for it, finding use for it in other people's life. And that's what I discovered. When I look to my parents' story, it looks very traumatizing. But I realized that their story set in motion my journey.

Like my dad couldn't read because the universe made sure that Asher was going to embrace the idea of reading and writing. So I saw those. I connected those dots in my parents' story. My mom challenged with all these kids, well, I'm a storyteller. I got a lot of people to get a story from, so I got to tell a story. So the universe has set in motion my journey, my purpose in life, which is to collect stories and circulate life, new wisdom and i learned that through my parents stories their

traumas the thing that i see as trauma there was treasure because it was a very beautiful thing that universe set up for me so i look at that stuff so now i'm like okay how can i tell this with more empowerment okay i list all the people's story connect the dot for them and tell it with more empowerment and that's what i find my gift in. So to add to Asher's stories, I want to go to what you previously said, Shana, which I think is amazing and I'll steal it from you, but I'll give you the credit every time I'll talk about it, which was you being born twice.

And the second time was when your father passed away. And I'm so sorry to hear that, but I can absolutely relate to that. So I could see my story from, and I did it for so long. I'm guilty of looking at my story from the victim mindset, which is, oh my God, I'm an orphan. I don't have a father. He won't be around me.

I don't have a father figure who will love me and protect me. No one. I'm alone, right? I was there. I did that. Or I can shift my perspective, the story that I'm telling myself, the words that I used to create a different empowering reality for me, which is he made me stronger. And I had to accept the fact that his journey was over and it wasn't about me.

It wasn't about his love for me or his one one thing him wanting to be around me because he he wanted that he didn't want to abandon me it wasn't about me it was his journey over there the lessons that he had to learn in life ended there but it also empowered me to be strong and you know at be able to take my own decisions because he wasn't there to hold my hand throughout life. But my brother was there and he held my hand very well. My mom was there and everybody supported me. Still, I was missing my father, you know, it's nothing like your mother, it's nothing

like your father, it's nothing like your brother. Nobody is replaceable. But it empowered me. I was born for the second time. And I'm the person that I am right now, which had the courage to pack two bags and move to the United States to a city where I knew nobody, no soul here. I said, I want to be in Florida. I want to see sun all the day, every day. I want to be close to the ocean.

Okay, let me check the map. Tampa seems the place to be. Florida. I want to see sun all the day, every day. I want to be close to the ocean. Okay, let me check the map. Tampa seems the place to be. And I did it. And everybody said, you're crazy. You know, I mean, most of the people were like, wow, this is crazy, courageous, but crazy. You know, are you sure you want to do this? I'm like, I want to do it. And I'm grateful for that experience.

That's how I turned my trauma into treasure, by empowering myself. How did you guys meet each other? I can't believe I'm finally asking. Online, because 21st century, right? I was added to his group, Life Changing Wisdom group. I was in Romania just getting ready to prepare my file to apply for the visa and to move here with an investor visa. And he posted something on the group, resonated with me. I started commenting and then we started chatting and then we shared

things about life and vision and the passion of wanting to help people we shared our traumas our experiences our stories and the need and the desire to write about it and write books and therefore we said okay let's do it the with internet we don't really need to be in the same place my thinking partner that's awesome that's a creative partner we bounce ideas yeah hold each other accountable we help each other through our ADHD journey because we have different symptoms I feel like as he said he's very good at starting and I can follow up I can follow through but because I forced myself to have a lot of discipline that I did not have to begin with so wait a second do you guys believe in like soul families do you feel like you do you believe in reincarnation do you believe that you've had other lives together i mean do you

feel a soul connection that you're here for a purpose together to do this i believe that there is a purpose to everything that we do in this life now i don't know about past lives future lives i i have a huge imagination and i like to imagine things, but we don't have a physical proof. Therefore, I cannot really guarantee anything. But I love to imagine things. I do believe that there's a purpose for everything. And I believe that it was meant for us to meet to stimulate each other's creative minds and put together a tool that can help so many people out there. Hey listeners, sorry for the interruption. I wanted to share with you

that Sensual Soul Podcast is a part of the Ethereal Network, a group of spiritual podcasts that share the same passion to help raise the vibration of the planet and the consciousness of humanity. And one of these amazing podcasts is the Skeptic Metaphysicians podcast, hosted by real life husband and wife, Will and Karen. This weekly show is a fun exploration of metaphysics, spiritual awakening, healing modalities, and they too host amazing guests from around the world. And if you like Sense of Soul podcast, then you will love the Skeptic Metaphysicians podcast. You can listen on your favorite podcast listening app. Now back to our amazing guest. So you mentioned reincarnation and so forth and so on have you heard of neva goddard yes okay

i love that guy he's one of my my distant mentor but here's a story and my great-grandmother on my mother's side she should do things that people might not really understand i didn't understand as a kid growing up either she used to ask me to find people in the community for her to pray for them. I just reluctantly, I was like, didn't put a lot of effort into it. But then we find out those people die. I'm like, how did you know this person was sick? Because she didn't leave her home that way

because she was partially blind. So I was like, how do you know this person was sick? And she was like, well, I got vision of these people. So then I was like, well, my grandmother is very connected. My great grandmother, actually, she was very connected. She understands, she was like, well, I've got vision of these people. So then I was like, well, my grandmother is very connected. My great-grandmother, actually, she was very connected. She was having this vision that I didn't understand. But then I met Neville Goddard. And he was talking about some of the experience he was having.

Like, oh, my God, it reminded me of my great-grandmother. So in our book, we wrote about what we call the eight major states of consciousness. And that one, we're going to write about a lot more. But we've got to dig into that one. That's very deep. the eight major states of consciousness. And that one, we're going to, we're going to write about a lot more, but we got to dig into that one. That's very deep, but eight major states of consciousness. So my great grandmother, she told me this,

she said, God promised me that I will be a healer someday. Right. But when I met her, she was matching what I call one of the eight major states of consciousness, which is helpership. She will be one of the most helpful, helpful person I know on the planet.

She was, she would give away everything. I think I kind of inherited that nature in myself as well. But she was saying that God promised her to be a healer, which is the next state of consciousness, what I call the state of helpership. So in the book, we have the eight-minute state of consciousness. You got healership and helpership.

I'm not going to give all of them right now because you got to go check the book out to find the rest. But anyway, but it focused on, it helped me realize my purpose in life, which is to master the state of helpership. Now, secondary to that, which i call the state of authorship which which i'm going to do my work through which is to help people understand how they master their state so in the book we talk about what i call the ego right i'm gonna break that down so people can understand which was ego is an acronym stand for equal gus objective and gus is not an acronym stand for god universe source

right some people use guys and Right? Some people use God, some people use universe, some people use source. Sorry, I'm going to put it. But ego. So if you chase your lineage back, Shana, all the way back,

you're going to go back to what we call God. Right? God gave birth to the first being. Right? And then that first being gave birth to themselves, which is their kids,

and so forth and so on. So your parents gave birth to themselves when they gave birth to you. So you are your parents. So if you go, your lineage all the way back, you're going to end up being God. So when I see birth to themselves when they gave birth to you. So you are your parents. So if you go, you linger all the way back, you're going to end up being God. So when I see a person,

I see them as God, universe, source. That's what they are, an expression of God, universe, source. So now if you're an expression of God, universe, source, then you express your work through your ego. So when you create your ego,

that is where you create your work through. So that's my breakdown. So now my name is my first ego. Like anything that come up, the word I am is your first, is your ego. So I am Asher. That's my first ego. Sh name is my first ego like anything that come up the word i am is your first is your ego so i am i am asher that's my first ego shana is your first ego i was a soldier i am a soldier soldier with my my other ego i'm an author author is my new ego so i do my work through my

ego so now if you're very connected to the divine right like the book named demi divine then if you connect to the divine then therefore you can create a healthy ego. Oftentimes you're not creating a healthy ego because you're not that connected. You're not listening to your inner voice. And it's what I realized to my great grandmother in her story. So I started to make sense of my own purpose now. So I realized my purpose in life

is to master the state of helpership. Now, if you're a person that goes to school, when you go to school, you go to college, you get a major or minor in certain things. So your major is what you major in, your minor is. So I major in the state of helpership, minor in the state of authorship. Those are my two things.

So I'm going to drop something else on you, which I'm working on right now, which I'm going to sort out. Which they say the highest academic achievement is your PhD, which I reframe and call the philosophy in doing. Then I want to create a new track which I call a PHB, a philosophy in being. So now that's the highest academic

achievement in life, in life masteries is a PHB, how to be you. Because oftentimes what society do is they educate you in the PhD side of the house and you're trapped in the institution structure and you go slave for them. And you're confused about who you are, who you want to be. Because you're trapped in the institution structure and you go slave for them and you're confused about who you are who you want to be because you're not focused on the php the philosophy

in being so we're trying to orient people mindset right now on the planet so hey focus on the php because you don't need a university to certify you and being you because life is going to certify in that process so it's like life giving my adhd my dyslexia and all the traumas in my life. They attach those things to me because I'm here to master them. And I've been mastering them. I've been studying myself, mastering my disabilities, my disorders and so on. Because I'm going to turn those into treasure

because they're treasure. So now, how you be you is by mastering the things that the universe attach to you. The things that you can't run away from. It's like a fragrance. It's like a perfume. You can't get away from it. It follows you around. It you can't get away from it it follows you around it makes you mad it piss you off it frustrates you it makes you ill those things you're here to master and once you realize that you embody a php in life mastery if they're making sense to you i totally does love your acronyms egos get a better rap because people don't understand what it really is because it's something you create you create yes you create it i love your acronyms it's one of the many identities that you can embrace

throughout life uh when people ask me what i do you know i'm like okay well i do so many things i'm a real estate agent investor i manage properties i'm an artist i paint i'm a makeup artist i am a stager i am you know so many of the above and a person told me like you're a woman of many heads and i think this is what we should be we should try we should tap into so many things to experience different egos yeah and he's right. The first ego that we have is the name that our parents give us. I am Lovina and that's my identity. Well, that's because my family named me like that.

Yeah. And that's who I am. That's one of my egos. And then another acronym that we love is GUS, which is God Universe Source. And we choose to use it like that because so many people talk about, you know, they are more religious. Some are more spiritual and we don't want to talk about religion

because we respect our religion, but we are spiritual and we understand the connection with source. And I love how Neville Goddard describes it, but I love how Wayne Dyer takes the idea and softens it for all of us to understand it. Because in practically all religions, when human was created, when Adam was created, God breathed life into him. Therefore, that breath of life that was in us, no matter how you imagine God to be, source, whoever you think he is or looks like, that breath of life or she, yeah, exactly,

that breath of life, it's in you. And that's the divine sparkle. That's the divine sparkle that you have it, that maybe we can interpret it as the gut feeling that you have when you are in a situation where there is danger, you perceive danger. But if you don't level yourself up in consciousness to sit with yourself, with thought,

you will never hear your inner whisper that's connected to the divine. That's interesting. But you won't find what you just said in the Bible necessarily. You will find that in the Gnostic Gospels, actually almost word for word, what you just said in the Bible necessarily. We'll find that in the Gnostic Gospels actually almost word for word what you just said. There's different ways of writing the language.

The word sin, it means to miss the mark. And we look at it in all kinds of crazy ways, right? But it's just missing the mark. If you said something you're going to do and you didn't do it, that's what it is. You missed the mark. Lots of words that are so powerful that changed and molded where we are today as a society collectively and then to know the true meaning behind the word there's lots of words like

that a lot of things today that we're misinformed on yes because because all we study was the the european literature we didn't study the other side of the literature from other places around the world the indigenous cultures yes yes yes you know and there's so much wisdom with that which is also a big part of my journey because in the gnostic gospels sophia is wisdom and by the way shana my highest value is wisdom. And by the way, Shana, my highest value is wisdom. Yes. I think that's the goal for all of us. That's what evolves you, right? And actually, if you don't have wisdom, you're in the dark. And so they kept wisdom from people. It's very interesting to me right now in this time, I see it just being very unique. Women, right, are rising. they're finding their voice people of race you know are finding

their voice and telling their stories and the power to be reckoned with now it's like gone are the days i want to introduce you to a word that we have come up with you mentioned unique okay so in society people say treat me equally yeah and i was like i can never treat you equally because there's there's a gap between between that idea i want to treat you equally and it's impossible so we come up with this word called we combine the word unique and equal together and we call it unique unique well we are unique physically but we are equal spiritually so that makes us unique well so treat me uniquely that's right so then i realized so so that's so we kind of break the surface with a level of playing feet for which i'm saying i

consider myself above the organization of color gender so forth and so on right i don't see myself that way because i know i'm a spiritual being right right so i see myself above all those organizations these boxes that they lock us in yeah i see myself above those organizations yeah so yes so treat me uniquely because we're unique. Well, and guess what? I have a word for you. Okay.

I think you both are purple. Pretty and beautiful together. I loved it. I love words like this. We're making our own language, right? We should. Language evolves.

And I'm actually listening to a beautiful course on Audible about how the language evolves. And we can be the ones who are, you know, adding to the future form of their language. And I will be one of them for sure because I always invent words. I take something that makes sense in Romanian and I give it like an English accent and I'm like, you know what? I say it, right? One time my friend said she's going to the bitch and I said, wait, what?

The bitch? Are you going to the bitch's house or what? She's going to the bitch. And I was like, what? Yeah, it took a while. You know what? Here's a word for you. When I was younger, actually, I shouldn't even say younger, up until a few years ago, I thought the word vulnerability meant that it was a weakness. I mean,? Telling our stories, being vulnerable to share our weaknesses,

our struggles, our challenges is actually strength. And what collectively is what we need. Here's something that is in the works right now. So I'm going to share it. I want to get your thoughts on it too, Shaina. Yeah. The next book name we are thinking about launching in the Mental intercourse volume

is how to be the biggest failure like success and failure have the same destination because on a long enough scale success becomes failure failure becomes success so the biggest company you think you see it in the world right now in a couple centuries from now they won't be there they're gonna die they're gonna fail they're die off. So everything fails and everything succeeds. They're at the same destination. So now, how do you find something to go fail at? Right? Do you have the courage to go and find something to go fail at?

So me and Lavinia on this journey right now, authorship, we're going to find some books to go fail at. Because eventually they're going to succeed. Right? Because in a long enough timeline, everything succeeds and everything fails. So I realized this. I i'm like you know what just like we flip the script on turning traumas into treasure it's saying we're going to look at failure and success because it's the same thing right it's the same thing treasure and and trauma is the same thing success and failure is the same thing you might give a different spin in a timeline right but it's the same thing because

you have the same destination you just gotta find the value in it and then to add to that most of the times in life when we think oh i failed at something that was redirection to your true success successful path or to a true purpose that's just the redirection it's not really how we perceive it because you learn from it and then you try a different approach but we're obviously playing with words because in your head, you should be already a winner to whatever you start doing. And I have a small example. And I was at the gym. I love to lift weights, but I was away from it for a few years because of an injury.

And I'm doing military press. You're trying to work out my shoulders and lift the barbell with the weights of my head. And in my head, I was like, yeah, I won't be able to do it. I'll be, you know, a failure and I'll look so stupid. My ego was in the way. And I tried to halfway through, I dropped it. I said, I knew it, I cannot do it. And then I got angry.

I said, no, it's not true. You can do this. You know, you can, you're just being, you know, weak in your mind and you care what people think around you. Like leave the ego at the door and push through because you know you can do it. The same way, two minutes later, I took it, I pushed through and it was up above my head. Therefore, look how important and how powerful is your mindset and the way you think and the way you talk to yourself in your head. We kind of, you know, like we play with words when we say we encourage you to go and fail.

We want you to go with like, I will succeed. But hopefully from all those successes, you'll encounter failures that will be good lessons that will direct you to your through path. If you were chosen to come to this earth, or if you chose this life or whatever it is, would you really put yourself in, you know, on the side of a beach, just catching rays, doing nothing, you know, having no, you know, worries in the world? No, you would put yourself in a position where you had to climb mountains, get stronger, get hit by the boulders as they came down and kept going. Got on the top of one mountain to look, fuck, I got four more mountains right in front of me right here. So I got to, you know, that's the only way we grow.

Once they can look back from those mountains and see all the ones that they climbed, feel a sense of accomplishment and purpose, you know, that I'm here for a reason that I got through this shit. Yes. And going back to, I think the importance of obstacles, challenges, traumas, I will make an analogy going back to the gym and working out. You cannot grow a muscle if you don't break it first. While you push through and it's hard and it's painful and you break that muscle, you have micro ruptures in the muscle and then the body will create the protein needed to build it stronger and bigger. Yeah. Break some muscles then. I was looking through your website and this morning, I think that a lot of people

today, even coaches, what coaches, we should never stop learning because you know what, everything's going to change in like 10 minutes. Who knows, you know, what journey we may choose next that we may need a hand to help us get through. So what kind of coaching do you offer? What is that? What are your programs look like? So I'm doing what I call the Focus on Your Pad 12-week program. Okay. So like I said earlier, I'm wisdom driven.

So I need time to listen to somebody's story and from there I can help them connect to that because oftentimes what people think, which I focus back on the PHB side of that, philosophy and being you. I love that. So sometimes people are going through a thing like, why am I going through a thing like if why

am i going through all of these things and here's how i see life and i've learned this to looking at my parents story my grandparents story my own story i see how their life set in motion my purpose in life so i find a purpose in my life not find a purpose for my life but a purpose in my life sometimes people are looking for a purpose for your life you will never find a purpose for your life because you get to create it so the purpose is is in your life. So look at your own story. And then from there, you realize, oh my God, these are the things you're here to do. So here's a quick story I'll share with you. When I was getting ready to leave the military, I was trying to figure out when I start my online life coaching business, I'll figure out like,

how do I transfer my military experience over to the civilian side? It was very challenging for me. I couldn't figure it out because all my expertise, my certificates in the military, I did very well in it. But then I'll shift over. I'm like, man, in the civilian space, I feel like I have no credibility. But then I like snowboarding.

So I was snowboarding this season. I got injured, right? I got injured and I was on my bed after the surgery. I was thinking about how can I really navigate this? And life said,

Asher, go back and ask the people you've worked with in the military. So I put them to a scenario. So I asked them if I wasn't alive anymore, and you had to speak to my mom or my dad or my daughter. You had to tell them what was my unique ability or what was something that you like or didn't like about me. And I started hearing these stories. I kind of had them on our podcast as well. But I saw this common theme that everybody was saying to me. It was like, Asher, you are very good at helping people. Like, you're very good at turning the worst situation into a great situation. Because when we deploy, we oversee doing all kinds of stuff, and everybody's stressed out and worried and crazy about stuff.

Asher was calm, and Asher found a way to turn stuff into treasure, found a way to make life even more enjoyable. And I keep hearing that, but I do it so very easy, very well. I didn't put a pin to it like, oh, that's the purpose in my life. I'm here to do this thing, have people see the brighter side of life. But now I'm hearing this common theme from everybody. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to cash in on this thing. So now I realize that when I listen to people's story, I can help them connect the dots to say, hey man, the thing that you're going through right now, this is what they're leading you towards right you're not hearing it you're not seeing it because you're so far away from it and if my friends was telling me this i wasn't seeing it myself

yes people other people tell you what you're good at right they tell you what you're good at so now i notice that i'm like you know what let me embrace this thing so now i'm here to i mean i'm here to master the state of helpership and i'm working through that through authorship and also coaching so that's what i'm doing in it so 12 weeks i sit with people i listen to the story i'm like hey this is what your story is saying right now you might not see the dots but here it is and sometimes those dots take a couple years to connect so you won't so sometimes like a singer or an artist might recognize their skills at an early age but a person that's on this wisdom journey won't see it because you need you need some years to connect the dots.

The universe got to put you through what I call the certification process from the only university that matters, which is the University of the Universe. That's the only one that matters. They're going to certify you in your PhD. Which university is that? The University of the Universe. The only university that matters. Which is the life mastery through your life experiences. Because people don't value their life experiences because they think they got to go to university gets certified i'm telling you you don't i was

going to college and i was being dulled out by the topics i was studying i was one class away from a bachelor's i'm like i'm stopping i'm not doing it i'm done i'm not going to school anymore i'm going to self-educate so i set the journey of reading books almost 700 books so i've been educating myself on the things that i find valuable and it tapped me into the things i was doing very well which is helping people helping them connect their stories helping connect the purpose that that's in their own story because sometimes i don't see it but other people see it no you want to hear something funny last night me and my two girls i have two i have four kids and we were playing a game called best friends. And that is the one thing I got from it. So you,

you pick a card and it'll say something like, what would everyone say most about who Shannon is or something? Okay. This is what the card would say. And they would have to write the answer of what they think I would write. Well, there was one where I was so shocked. They both saw me in a light that I didn't see in myself. It was so interesting in that moment. And this just happened last night.

And I was like, Oh my gosh, you guys will see that, you know, and I sat with it and I was like, yeah, I guess, I guess that is probably maybe what everyone would say about me. But, you know, I, I, I, for some reason, I almost felt like if I said that it might be conceited or, you know, or I wasn't worth saying that. Right. So that ego was telling me, yeah, no, you're not. That is the truth about the thing we're here to do, because oftentimes I say, love what you do, but do what you love, but love what you do

very well, even better, right? Because oftentimes people are going to tell you what you're good at because you're adding value to them. And when you find it like, oh my God, it's so high value to them, then boom, you can tap into it. So people, your purpose is in your story. I want to say that one of the biggest discovery when it comes to wisdom was me hearing Oprah saying that for so long, like you were just saying, and like I was perceiving being full of yourself would be cocky. And even a lot of the religions would not allow that because you you have to be humble and there

is beauty in humanity it's there is beauty but there's also beauty in being full of yourself because that means your cup is running full and is running over and it's spilling over for the people around you to learn from you. And so you have to be full of yourself. You have to make that cup full, fill it up and be proud of it, but not in an arrogant way, not in a narcissistic way. But if you don't love yourself, if you don't see the true value in yourself, who will? You have to love yourself, embrace yourself, see the beauty in you, and share it with the world.

Don't hide it. That's right. But Shane, I want to drop some wisdom on your audience too. And this thing is going to have them think a little differently. This is one of the number one principles in the book we talk about. And speaking of sense of soul, so here we go. You can never change who you are, but you can change and improve what you have. You cannot change who you are, but you can change or improve what you have.

So here we go. People ask, who am I? And to answer that question, you would never know who you are. You might be like, hold on, Ashley, what do you mean by that? Because I go back to the concept of God, universe, source, right? So if you are expression of God, universe, source, God would never know who God is because if you know something is limited. So if you can define who you are, that means you're limited. So when I say you would never know who you are, you would never know because you're expression of God, universe, source, you're unlimited. You can never define who you are. You can only

improve what you have. When we say you can never change who you are, right? So going back to the idea is that, hey, I said I'm Asher because Asher is my ego. I've created it. You never create you, so you can never define you. You can only define the things you've created. You can only define the thing that you're higher than. You're not higher than yourself, so you can never define you. Just like God can define you, but you can't define God, right? Because God is unlimited, so to speak. So when we go back to trying to figure out who you are, people are like, I want to know who I am. You will never know who you are.

You will know what you have because what you have is your mindset, your body, right? Your emotions, so forth and so on because those things you accumulate over time. So those are the things you change and improve. Wow. As Asher said, to define something,

you have to be higher than it to understand it and see all the edges of that box that finally have to to be higher you're not higher than the god's first universe you're not higher than yourself you have to allow admit accept and love the infinite possibilities that you can tap into and you can become. Wow. You guys just mind fucked me. Thank you for that mental illness. That was real mental intercourse.

There you go. But it's for some people to think about because in the world, people are like, you got to know where you are, Rich. All you're going to do is you're going to know what you have because what you have is what you create. You create the ego because you are, Rich. All you're going to do is you're going to know what you have. Because what you have is what you create. You create the ego because that's your creation. So if you don't have a ego, you created it. So change it.

Because you can change or improve it. But who you are is on a scale you can't measure. You can't measure it. So if you can't define something, that means it can be anything. If you can't define yourself, that means you can be anything. So when people say, give me a definition. No. I'm going to put you in a box if I've got to define you.

But because I don't want to be in a box, don't define me because you can't. Because I'm unlimited. And if people start seeing that, they will stop trying to chase okay, who am I? Focus on what you have and what you create. Because those are the things you can control.

Don't talk about things, the material possession necessarily. We talk about the knowledge you have, the thoughts you have, the feelings you have. Those things, you can control them. Create better, better feelings, better thoughts. Accumulate more knowledge. Wow. I just say another aha moment so we started out talking about how that i am right presence is divine in us and so the who i am or who am i it's infinite so it's not finite yeah you can give it any shape multiple shapes throughout the one's life ideal that's pretty deep a lot to think

about you know what this also reminds me of the podcast episode I did with Jeff Thompson who said forgiveness was the same like we don't have the power to forgive other people that way to forgive is not on the shoulders of all of us it is you know on our creator i think that we achieve that moment where we forgive the unforgiven how if you switch the narrative behind forgiveness so you forgive someone not for them you forgive them for yourself to free yourself from that misery because hatred frustration is a poison that you drink every day hoping that your oppressor will die but you are the one that slowly died so whenever you reach that moment when you realize oh if i forgive that person who never asked for forgiveness, who does not repent for what they did to me, but if I, in my heart, search for forgiveness, I free myself. I liberate myself from the oppressor.

The oppressor can be a person or can be a situation. I'm talking from experience because I had to forgive people who never regretted what they did to me never apologized but the moment I found the power to forgive them I freed myself absolutely you know and also I had on Neil Donald Walsh and I love how he talks so I guess he goes to churches often and will tell them God will never forgive you. Never. Oh, wow. That's so painful. It's so sad. And he said because there's nothing that he would ever not love you for that you would even need to be forgiven.

Oh, that was a surprising outcome. Thank you for saying that. You got to consider this too, Shana. You are God. So the only one that's doing the forgiving is you, right? You're God, universe, source. So people are always looking for a God that's external. There's no God external to you.

Like the only thing that exists in the universe is God, universe, source, God, right? So that means you are God. There can't be anything that's other than God that exists. So people don't really think that deep. Jesus said in the Gnostic Gospels, the kingdom is in you and outside of you. When you come to know yourself, you will become known. Here's something I'm doing for myself, Shana. I'm putting myself in position where I got to tell the truth.

I don't want to put myself in position where I can't tell the truth. When I was in the military, I was like, man, I see certain things. I'm like, man, I wish I could talk about this, but I got to keep secrets. I don't want to be in no more position where i can't tell the truth i gotta keep secrets because i've seen so many of my peoples are being oppressed or doing certain things so i've seen all this operation right i'm like man what the fuck right but i can't tell nothing i can't i can't speak the truth because i gotta keep secrets so now in life my goal is not to be in a position where i can't tell the truth but But I say one more thing about perspectives.

The truth that you're talking about, Asher, that is your truth. And to show a different perspective, my truth is different. I don't think I am God. Why? This is my perspective. Because I want a higher power, higher than me, that I can go to tap into and guide me when I am lost. Therefore, I like the idea of me being part of God, me having that sparkle, that divine spark in me that helped me connect to the higher power.

So it's a different perspective, right? Not because, hey, I don't speak your truth, but that's your truth. That's Shana's truth. And this is my truth and the beauty of it that now we can come online and talk about each perspective and our truths and hopefully our listeners will connect some will connect with ashra's idea some will connect with my idea and therefore we can all connect and share wisdom yeah what you're both talking about is almost how

i don't know who said it, but it was genius. You know, just a drop of water is like the whole ocean. Yeah. Wayne Dyer says about that. All of these little drops of, you know, God or sparks, right. Of one source of God. And I mean, that's what I feel. Okay. So I'm going to explain your water analogy, because I think that's the perfect analogy, right right like the ocean and the raindrops the same thing what's in what's in the raindrops in the ocean so that makes what the raindrops the ocean right so if so if the ingredients so here's here's i think one of the what we call a comfortable ritual in in the book

that you gotta put yourself through right is if you gotta identify as the highest or the lowest ingredient what will you identify as? So if you've been here your whole life that God is in you, but then you identify with your body because that's the lowest ingredient

and what that makes you, that's your body. So I realized I'm going to identify as the highest ingredient, which is God, universal is God. So therefore I realized that, hey, if I identify

as the highest ingredient, then that elevate my mind and my awareness into another level. Because based on where you set your mind level at, that's where you're going to be stuck at. So I reach for higher things because I want to expand my mind. So I look at the water and the ocean, the analogy there. Hey, every ingredient in the raindrops is in the ocean.

Guess what? I'm the fucking ocean. Right? I might not be the almighty ocean, but I'm the ocean because I have the ingredients of the ocean to me. So when I think about God, universe source of me being saying, I am God, there's no other thing that exists,

but God, right? Within you, within me, within Lavinia, what one source playing all the roles, right? Sometimes people thinking I always different.

No, it's the same source playing all the roles, right? You're just in a different expression. You just got a different arrangement of your mind. And my mind is arranged differently. What is the same mind like me and you have access to the great universal mind except that my piece of the mind is arranged a little differently from yours but

we got access to the greater mind that's how i see it so i see myself as god universe source people can say whatever they want but i understand where people are thinking from but one day you're gonna get to a place you're like, oh, my God, really? There can't be anything that exists in the world other than God. What else could exist? Nothing else. Right? But people don't see that.

I mean, a tree is God. A fucking dog is God. Here's something I'm going to explain real quick. The difference between us and animals is that some of us are aware of our thinking more than them. So everything on the planet thinks, right? A dog thinks, a cow thinks, a plant thinks. It's just that we might be aware of our thinking more than them, which makes us a little bit higher than them on the scale.

But everything thinks. Everything has access to the same mind. So I saw that process. I'm like, okay, all right. Now I got to think a little differently. All part of the same consciousness. God consciousness. It's beautiful to identify yourself with the highest ingredient but you said it asher is the ingredient and you have many ingredients that therefore the final product

is different from the the highest ingredient we cannot define it but it's still different therefore i will need that i have that highest ingredient in me but that doesn't make me 100 only that ingredient which is god i think god is an alien so here's here's the question my biggest question on the planet for myself is what happens to the significant energetic life force in your body once you no longer animate this body where does it go i ask myself that question right so you would call itself right significant energetic life force so where does the energy go where does the life force go once you leave the body here's the answer that comes up for me it goes everywhere it doesn't go to a place somewhere

and sit there whatever it goes everywhere so what that tells me is that the energetic life force within me is everywhere. It's always here. It doesn't go anywhere because it's everywhere. Right. It can't be created nor destroyed. It's energy. Exactly. So I think about myself the same way.

So now I'm thinking like, okay, so now the memory in my body, where does it store it? It's not in the flesh. It's not in the body. Because if I die, if my body no longer animates and you plug a memory in my body, where does it store it? It's not in the flesh. It's not in the body. Because if I die, if my body no longer animates and you plug a machine in my body, you can't download my reality, my experience in life

because it's not there. So where does it go? Ah, nobody knows really, right? But this is my answer for myself. I created this answer for myself. It goes everywhere. It goes everywhere because it's never left anywhere.

So now I realize that where does it store? It doesn't store in the body because it's everywhere because it's never left anywhere so now i realize that where does it store it doesn't store in the body because it's everywhere already my body's just a container for it that's trapped in that moment but it's always everywhere so that's what i think about it for myself to make sense of reality for me yeah i love that we have the space and the choice right to seek and be curious this way that's what i love because that's what i think is primal in us right to be able to seek this wisdom within ourselves and it's deep and who knows 10 years from now our beliefs all might have changed but why because of our experience here is some truth about lavinia and shana if lavinia didn't

exist nothing about lavinia would exist if shana didn't exist nothing about shana wouldn't exist so therefore whatever shana knows she created it because you only exist because you exist just like this universe the world we're looking at the world wouldn't exist if i should didn't exist like everything i know about the universe wouldn't exist if I didn't exist. Everything I know about the universe wouldn't exist if I didn't exist. Yeah. So you might think, hold on, what do you mean, Asher? Yes, because if I didn't exist, nothing about me would exist or the thing I know about the universe would exist. So everything in the universe that I know, I created it.

It comes from out of me. Just like it comes from out of you. People don't understand it. So I'm like, I'm trying to break it down a little bit, but I'm saying you are the only reason why, why you know, but the universe exists. It wouldn't exist. We're creators. Yes.

Yeah, we are. And for Lavinia and I, we're creatrix. Exactly. And we need to own the creator goddess in ourselves and start creating you know things for ourself and whatever we want in our life is available this was a very good conversation shana yeah it's real right it's real and it's raw and it's authentic and that's really what sense of soul is about thank you guys for joining. Can you tell everybody where they can get your 86 books and your programs and your website and social media and find your podcast to shout

yourself out? Okay. So www.demodivine.com is where you're going to post all the books once you flush them out or system and www.lifechangingwisdom.com is for the coaching. And you can find me on Instagram, asher.ra.sta. Yeah, you can also find the book on Amazon. It's available on paperback, Kindle, hardcover. And you can find me on Instagram. I am pretty responsive there, but because I am a real estate investor and agent, you'll find me under the handle lavinia.lav.real.estate. And I'm sure you'll find my name written under this podcast description,

which is L-A-V-I-N-I-A. She's in real estate because that's the only estate that's real. Oh, I love that. Everything else I get to make up. Well, it was a pleasure sharing. Yeah, thank you so much. I had a lot of fun.

A lot of wisdom. That's my signature. And I really loved you guys' podcast. Pandora's Awareness Podcast. It's raw. It's real stories. And I just think that it's that vulnerability that you're sharing. And also a lot of truth that you're putting out there.

I love you both. Let's keep in touch. Yes. Yes. We love you. Thank you very much. Make it awesome. Thank you. Thanks for listening to Sense of Soul Podcast. And thanks to our special guests for joining me. If you want more of Sense of Soul, check out my website at www.mysenseofsoul.com where you can work with me one-on-one or help support Sense of Soul podcast by donating to my coffee fund. Thanks for listening.