Sense of Soul - Wild Business

Episode Date: September 17, 2021

Join us today on Sense of Soul for an enlightening conversation with a very sweet soul, Sigourney Belle, she is a Spiritual Leader, Healer, Writer, Best-Selling Author & Paradigm-Shifting Disruptor of Business Consciousness. This beautiful Australian Entrepreneur, Deconstructs Modern Business Practices in Her New Book, Wild Business, Offering A New Pathway to Build A Successful, Sustainable Business More Aligned with Your Intuitive Nature.  You can find all of her amazingness here at her link tree! https://links.wildbusiness.com Lots of fun stuff to check out and coming soon on www.mysenseofsoul.com, new merch, coaching programs, readings, classes and more!  Would you like to show us you enjoy our podcast, join our new Sense of Soul Patreon. Please Rate, Review and Subscribe, we appreciate the love and support, Xoxo!

Welcome to the Sense of Soul podcast. We are your hosts, Shanna and Mandy. Grab your coffee, open your mind, heart and soul. It's time to awaken. Today we have with us Australian entrepreneur Sigourney Bell. She is here to share with us her new book, Wild Business, where she deconstructs modern business practices, offering a new pathway to build a successful, sustainable business more aligned with your intuitive nature. She combines Eastern and Western philosophies and teaches readers how to discover one's purpose and then take those first steps towards developing businesses with our intuitive nature and the planet. We're super excited to have you on. Gordon, how are you?

I'm good. You have this magical light aura behind you. I know it's seven in the morning here so the sun's just gone. Look at the morning. Do you have kids? No, but I do have one in my belly. I'm currently 26 weeks pregnant. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Hi, Mandy. Hi, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too.

Yeah, thanks so much for having me on on I'm really excited to share with you mixing business spirituality can sometimes be a tricky thing and I'd love to find out how you got here yeah I guess it was a non-traditional non-linear path which I guess is why the book's called wild business because it was not born out of strategy or logic at all like I never would have seen myself sitting here as as an entrepreneur I never kind of envisioned that for myself even as a child you know I always wanted to be a dancer and a writer in New York City but I didn't didn't see myself building businesses and it just kind of happened through like a series of choices, intuitive choices. And I remember one day just going, I actually have a global business

that works across like six countries with over 200 teachers. Like how did this even happen within like two years? Oh, wow. That's a lot. Yeah. How? That's amazing yeah I know yeah and I just there was a point I think like three or four years into business that I was like this is something worth teaching actually because a lot of people ask me how I've had the success and I never at that point you know I've only just gotten my first business mentor uh like six years into my business journey normally that's a recommendation at the start to set up your business and I always just knew who I needed to connect with and followed that

and they always had pieces for me it was like it was like building a puzzle almost um I treated it like this magical journey of building this puzzle and not really as business, but the byproduct is that I've got a business too, actually, that are global in size and reach. Well, tell us about that. What is your business? How did you get there? Yeah, so again, my journey's been very

gone on many different tangents and turns but I started off in high school I randomly decided that I was going to become a physiotherapist even though I didn't know what that was what is that so they've got a different name in the states they're physical therapists I believe and I don't think they have the same. I don't think you need the same degree in the States. I'm not entirely sure how it works, but we work in hospital systems and there's different specialties, musculoskeletal, neurological, cardiorespiratory. But basically it's about rehabbing someone back to their full capacity and working alongside

medical teams and whatnot. So I just, yeah, I never, yeah. I remember when I was 15, actually, I sat down with a psychic that my mum took me to because she was blown away by him. She was very much so not spiritual at all up until she met this man and she had her mind blown.

So she's like, I'm taking my daughter to go and see him. And I was 15 and, you know, I didn't know what I was doing with my life, but I was okay with that. And he said, oh, you're going to be doing what I do one day in the future. And he was a doctor who turned into a medical medium and psychic. And I was like, no I'm not I'm not one thing after another I worked in the hospital system for eight years after four years had a huge spiritual awakening where I actually got really really sick with an illness that actually mirrored

something very similar to what I was treating in clients because I was seeing clients with neurological disorders and usually unusual cases like fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue and all of these kinds of cases that they don't really have an answer for. So I spent years immersing myself into and diving into like into that and then I ended up with a sickness myself and going through the medical system had a massive awakening and basically my vision opened and I saw myself living through India and Nepal so I went over there lived there for a couple of years and studied different esoteric philosophies and arts Buddhism yoga, yoga, tantra. And on the other side of that, I basically, I came back and I tried to re-immerse myself in the hospital system and realised I was a medical medium

and I could actually read what was happening in people's bodies beyond what, you know, beyond just the physical. I could, like, I'd have someone sitting in front of me and it'd be like, trauma, age two, this happened and this is what's creating it. And I was like, it was a lot because, yeah, I was just very open. And so basically I decided to leave the hospital system and and stop doing that work privately and seeing clients. And I had an influx of clients walk through my door.

So that was like the first step into working for myself. Sigourney, can I ask you, when you were having the symptoms that were very similar to your clients, that sort of happened to me as well. And that's one of the things that helped me really discover that I was an empath and that I actually was taking taking on these people's symptoms like that clear sentience I was actually they weren't mine do you feel like that was part of this mediumship absolutely I have clear clear sentience which is clear feeling clear audience I can hear as well it all comes through my right ear and also clear vision depending on the client it depends on what turns on and what I'm how I receive information sometimes it's through vision sometimes it's a here mostly I hear and other times it's that I feel their symptoms as though they're my own and

that's how I know what's happening in their body because my my body starts to mirror it and sometimes it's even days before like I recently had a client for a medical medium session and three days before I was in the pharmacy and I started buying all of these products I'm like why am I buying these I was like this is not something I feel like I need three days later I was I was scanning her system and it was all it was I bought them and I didn't need them it was like why do I need this Pepto-Bismol oh my god that's like I'll have a symptom and then I'm meeting with someone and they're telling me about you know the problems and I'm like oh that's where that came from

yeah exactly and then it moves out what were the doctors telling you was causing your symptoms and your illness? Like what took you into the hospital? So similar to like all of the clients I was seeing, they're like, we don't know what's what's happening here. We can't find the root of it. You know, you're like severely ill, but there's, it must be, you know, it must be psychosomatic. It must be coming from your mind. And I was like, my mind's pretty clear.

I'm pretty sharp. But it was the fact that I was in a job that was misaligned to where my energy body and where my soul was trying to move. And I was in a system that, you know, was not for me. And it was basically, it was only when I let go of the job and moved over to Nepal to live that it just just disappeared you know I've been trying I've been doing hardcore you know plant medicine retreats fasting like everything you can possibly imagine holistically and it was still it was just like hitting up against a brick wall wow Shanna is right like you're literally the only one that

we've ever had on because Shanna describes that to everyone, like about how, when she, she was taking on her clients is pain when she was massaging them. Um, it's very, very fascinating, but I also agree with you. Like right now I feel like one of the jobs that I'm having to do doesn't really align with like my purpose in life and it's causing me to flare up with fibromyalgia is what they called it type of symptoms again but at the same time you got to do what you got to do so it's hard the physical body is just the densest expression usually they say it comes in as like a feather you like hear the voice and then it comes in as like a brick it's being thrown at you then all

of a sudden you're being hit by a truck and to me it's like the layers of yeah it's like first it comes to as a little whisper like some spirit and you're like oh no I would ignore that for like a couple of months then they're like no you won't won't. And then it's like happy. And you're like, okay, now I'm like mentally contracted. And then the final body, the, the densest, the physical, and when you just don't listen, it's like, okay, now my physical body has to express it. Wow. So true. You know, I think it might even help someone out there if you were to describe what symptoms you were having so maybe they can recognize what this might surface like and I'm sure it's different for everyone but what

what did your symptoms look like yeah I mean it usually starts as like fatigue a lack of you know libido inspiration for life like not wanting to turn up for work everything being a little bit hard um for me it was when I experienced something I experienced it and it hits me very quickly because I'm meant to I'm meant to to listen and follow things quite quite quickly I went from being an elite athlete I was running running 10 kilometers a day and competing at the world titles for martial arts to not being able to walk up a set of stairs like I couldn't lift my feet off the ground that's the level of fatigue that was in my system and I was saying I was just adrenally burnt out but that's it was actually affecting my neurological system so I was like barely leaving the house um extremely depressed, like mentally extremely depressed.

And back then, the first incidents of this, I was drinking to kind of, like I haven't had a drink for probably about seven or eight years now, but back then I would drink to kind of mask it and free up my energy a little bit more. But, yeah, it was just extreme fatigue and muscle weakness and tiredness and just sleeping a lot as well extremely emotional mentally yeah depressed and anxious yeah shannon and i both experienced a lot of joint pain like chronic fatigue, brain fog, vitamin deficiencies, ringing in the ears, dizziness, hair loss, acne for me. I mean, it was no joke, but the joint pain was definitely the one thing that was the worst for me. Still, if I'm very stressed out and don't sleep enough, then my body

will go into a flare. It's definitely gotten better because I use tools, but there are days where unfortunately my self-care is not on point and I still suffer. So, and Shannon and I were both diagnosed with fibromyalgia, but decided that we weren't going to accept that, that we did not like that diagnosis, nor did we feel that they ever got to the core of what was really going on. Absolutely. You know, I do want to point out that someone a few months ago that we were talking to had made a really good point about how if all of us just decided not to accept like a diagnosis or something and talk about it, then other people who have it might not have the opportunity to like connect with people who have it, which is so odd that that is true. And I often feel that way about like, because I have someone

with autism. So like, if he didn't have the label, he wouldn't get like the support, you know, so been thinking a lot about that lately. I was so bitter about having the diagnosis of anxiety my whole life. I mean, they've got it in their stone. She has anxiety like it's forever. I don't, I don't really understand what you meant, Shanna. Sorry. Explain it again. Kind of like Ethan has autism. I don't necessarily like labels, but because he's categorized as that he received support, right? I want to reject fibromyalgia as a diagnosis but however if we talk about fibromyalgia then we kind of bring people in who have that too so where we can support each other yeah and I like how you're saying too how it like becomes this fixed diagnosis

as opposed to something that's transient you know know, when I'm like speaking of people, my medical condition, they asked me about my previous medical conditions. I'm like, oh, I had this once, but it doesn't apply anymore. But like, I do think that they just named painful stress fibromyalgia. I do.

I feel like that's what they named it. Yeah. You know, Shanna, I'm totally aligned with you now that you explained it yeah i mean the more you talk about things the more you can bring awareness to it the more we can support each other right um absolutely and then it also might help people to kind of do a process of elimination and figure out oh hey then i am not going to label myself this and i'm going to look into other things yeah exactly yes i mean that's how I ventured out of the system as such

that I was working for close to a decade to working for myself. And I was just seeing clients privately just as a solo entrepreneur for a period of time and was also traveling the world for a good few years studying different esoteric kind of philosophies and came back to Australia and so I've got Wild Grace was my first ever company that I started five years ago and that's a it's a training company that trains women in the different esoteric arts so kind of blended different philosophies together um it's kind of founded on the principles of archetypal psychology and um like a lot of

principles so we work with um embodying different feminine archetypes uh there's there's we bring in some elements of core shamanism and tantra and it kind of blends through and teaches different practices like breath work somatic movement practices and and it's in a nine-day like initiatory practitioner training and I basically just came back I went to this little island in New Zealand and one day I just sat down and wrote for three days and i wrote out a training manual i was like okay i've got a training manual now i'm gonna start running trainings and i remember putting out a call in just being like this is what i want to share i want to start training people in what i've learned and this is the modality and yeah i've had seven or eight people for my first

like pilot training course and then after after that, they just started filling. I just started running them. They started filling and I was like, okay, there's something here. And now for four and a bit years on or five years on, yeah, I've got a full team of over 20 trainers and over 200 practitioners globally. And it just kind of spread by me just trusting okay this is what's here now I'm gonna follow so did you take all the modalities that helped you get out of your pain and then you put them together is that what you did so they all worked

for you yes yep in essence it's founded upon informed trauma and nervous system work. And the modality, I've actually got it accredited now through the International Institute of Complementary Therapies. It's called the Feminine Frequency Formula. And it's about dropping people into deep states of receptivity, like theta, delta states of consciousness to unwind the nervous system and heal heal past trauma ancestral trauma trauma trauma from this life because i believe it's in a deep state of nervous system relaxation that the body can let go of whatever's whatever it's doing so that's what i say i tell each client that that's where it's at you gotta get there first no resistance i'm doing unwinding the nervous system and once you do that anything that's there will will come through and move through and the body can heal itself innately in that state. So what is the difference between what you do and like EMDR? I haven't actually experienced EMDR for myself, but they use eye tracking, right?

Eye tracking and vibrations, like different frequencies in your ears and in your hands yeah so i yeah so we work with when i say frequency it's like we're working with the frequency of different archetypes more so archetypal medicines that basically reveal certain aspects of ourself to ourself so it's about journeying deep into the subconscious and unconscious psyche to reveal what's there that's hidden. So this is a lot of founded upon kind of like Jungian psychology and archetypal work. He's the first person to kind of coin the word archetype,

even though you can't really say you own something that's in the collective unconscious, but he was the first one to really name it. So we draw upon deeper aspects of the psyche and we do that through mainly through invocation practices through shamanic practices where we're actually calling on aspects of ourself and then journeying journeying with them sometimes we work with gentle really gentle plant medicines um somatic movement practices so for our listeners who don't know what that somatic movement is can you explain that soma just means means body um we work with practices like movement practices that are more yin like so yin yoga is actually a component of what i teach and uh

dance practices that actually unwind the nervous system so we work with a lot of you know shaking tremor release work and then um like ways to actually mobilize and free up the emotional body and stagnant energy and then we work with postures and practices that allow for the body to basically unravel itself I love that so you're still dancing yeah exactly another kind of way yeah do you find that everyone's kind of got like this little passion that they have even prior to ever thinking about a business like you did I was driving home with this girl yesterday from a retreat and she's a singer and she received all of this like a whole program kind of like you did and singing was part of it but I think that yeah you use what you got you use what you love do you find that often yeah everyone has got

a deep soul calling and path it's just about being able to hear that what that is um actually the first time I decided this is where I had the realization that I wanted to heal people by connecting them to the soul essence of their business because the last client I ever saw doing more of the formal medical medium work as an outpatient was a client that came to me that had long-standing bilateral weakness and numbness in her legs neurological um weakness with no known cause um and she was an older lady and she came to me and I was actually just blending together some really gentle energetic therapies I was doing a bit of reiki a little bit of kinesiology and emotional clearing and basically as I was working

on her I just had that just dreamless vision I started seeing her by by the ocean painting all these beautiful daisies around her um and at the end of the session I just said to her I asked her I was like do you paint and she just broke down because right before she got this illness she stopped painting and that was her love. And she decided to just fully go in with this career that she was in and it was highly stressful for her. That's when she started developing the illness and she'd not been painting. And so by the time I ended up finishing with her, she stopped.

She'd like actually found a new place by the ocean. It was exactly what I'd seen she put me back a picture she started painting again and her symptoms disappeared and I was like it's it's always a calling to that deeper knowing you know it's always that and if I can connect people to that then the rest the rest dissolves like I don't need to you know massage out this symptom it's like I need to actually fight what's the root of this and that's the answer and most most often it's it's that soul calling which is your is your business you know for me business is a byproduct of following that so that's why I decided to go down the business path and teach that and it's really

not about just traditional business teachings of like okay I'm going to give you a strategy to scale this business although that's helpful but the foundation is that you need to be connected to what's true for you and that's really what my passion is is like finding out like kind of dissolving the layers to understanding the core truth of what's wanting to move through as opposed to what you think you need to do um and then once once that's there you know then you can look at the strategy but if it's not there then you're going to be put it's like it's it's going to be a push and that's what this like masculine driven a lot of people are driving businesses that are not true for them and it's exhausting

it's exhausting yeah I don't believe we're meant to live in exhaustion we're meant to live in ease and freedom and it's like trying to trying to put the circle into the square and like you just keep on trying and trying and it's not working and there's so much stress behind it. So what do people do when they get there though? You know, how do you like tell them grace, gracefully, I mean, graciously and gracefully both. How do you tell them if you're working with someone that that's just not aligned with you? Cause it's just not working. You're forcing it and you shouldn't have to force, right? Well, this is the power of journeying people I journey people into having the realization themselves so I'm not having to necessarily tell them so like I'll take them say

I do a lot of hypnosis work which is a part of the I guess a part of the frequency work too is like I teach people how to how to journey deeper into the deeper layers of self. And part of that is hypnosis in the simplest form that's, you know, just intuitively really slowly guiding someone sometimes with some really deep music. It doesn't need to be a formal process. But when someone comes to see me, I actually take them through a journey and I actually like take them through a journey and I actually like

take them through a journey to basically unlock what it is they need to know and so when they come back usually they're like I've seen this and I feel like I need to to stop doing this and I need to now do this and so they actually have that realization themselves so it's not so it's not like I'm sitting there telling them like you need need to quit your job. And they're like, oh, what? I actually support them to find those answers themselves. And I think that's really important. And it makes it, you know, empowers them too. It's like, I'm not, because otherwise they become codependent on me as someone that will

tell them what they need to be doing. And then that's also very unhealthy. Yes, so true. I find myself in that all the time. but I just had this conversation yesterday as well. You know, someone asked me a question and I was, and she was like, what would you tell your client? And I said, I wouldn't tell my client anything. I said, I would put them into a place to where they'd be able to discover the answer for

themselves. I mean, even if I think I know the answer, it's irrelevant. It's not my journey. Mediums telling them like very specifically what to do with their lives or things that are happening in their lives. And I don't feel like that's a safe space for people to be in, you know, like go quit your job or your head, husband like no no and so you got to be very careful um you know who you're working with and who you're choosing to put you know your trust into don't you agree yeah well i mean if they're really outsourcing their answers onto you then they really don't trust themselves and i that's, that's just fueling that patterning, you know.

It's a long journey, but people just want the answers. You know, they want everything to happen now. They don't get that all the answers are inside. You know, they want everyone else to do it for them. Yep. And they don't have the tools to know how to access and unlock that either. I have a question, hypnotherapy versus just deep meditation that takes you into theta brainwaves. What is the difference?

So I don't, I don't practice as a hypnotherapist. Like it's, it's a step-by-step process. I know that they actually, it's process that they take them through in terms of like guided meditation or that's more fluid it's about like getting away um I don't like using the word channeling but like it's like you're bringing through what's present and you're guiding them from that place as opposed to it being like a one two three you know like a a process that you're taking people through that's standardized and this is my this is also my perception because I don't take people through that so. And this is my, this is also my perception because I don't take people through that. So I'm, I could be completely wrong. That's my, my understanding.

Well, the reason I asked was because when I went to look to get licensed as a hypnotherapist in the state of Colorado, they were no longer letting you do that. And so I started reaching out to some people who kind of walking me through it. And I felt like it was very similar to just getting someone into a very deep meditative state. That's the thing, the state that you're taking people into is the same. It's ultimately you're wanting to wind them down into that theta. And I mean, delta is more of a rare state to be able to access. But theta state, you know know this is the same as like

theta healing and they're all healing modalities that take you into the same place and i think the key is also is as a practitioner knowing how to access that space yourself so you can go in you can access it and then you can just speak from that place you can take people there if you can access that place internally yourself and it's like they also call it zero point, right, zero point consciousness where you zone into that complete space of stillness and then you hear the voice, the subtler voice that comes through. If you can just follow that subtle voice and then guide people, everything comes through from that place.

I find like that's the place in which I know that, oh, okay, this person's had a trauma too or this person you know needs this it's like this meant this um herb or whatever it's like all of the information I access comes from simply knowing how to access that state myself from doing a lot of a lot of my own internal work oh that's what I. I mean, I've never thought about that before though, but during my sessions, of course, you know, I get to into my own state. Right. And so I never know what's going to come out of my mouth to guide them. Like I don't have a script, you know, so it, and I just journey with them. Right. And I, and that's so interesting that I do that and I never thought about that and I hope people will always ask me as I'm teaching I'd be like do you have a script

that I could use for meditation and I'm just like I I could find a bunch of scripts but literally I never know what's gonna come out is that what you do 100% even with um look when I'm running events and trainings I never plan and think because it just goes out the window I get there and it's like no you're doing this now I'm like okay yeah that's what just happened to me this past weekend yeah so you just you just allow you know and I and I do say that if I ever feel like I am coming out of that um I quickly ground myself and go back in because I'm I just kind of feel like then I'm I'm actually healing or doing this session with my thoughts and with ego which you know for me I just I can't connect in that way yeah and just being transparent about that I actually

just need to take a take a moment um because I'm feeling disconnected I'll come back you know like or if you're if you wouldn't say that if they're in a deep state but like if you if you're guiding them um I'll be right back yeah you stay here um halfway down from the cave I'll be right back I think I might have so I don't know if you're aware of this and we've said it I feel like we say it a lot but I'm gonna say it again Shannon I love Carl Jung Like he is probably one of our most favorite people ever because we have researched from addiction to aliens, to the vagus nerve, to cognitive behavioral therapy, to hypnotherapy.

I mean, you name it, we'll research something and he always comes up, always. It was like this man just had this broad wisdom and knowledge like we just always have loved Carl Jung but a lot of people don't know about his archetypes can you talk about that for a moment and when you say bringing them in could you give maybe some examples yeah so my work is all around embodiment. So it's not just teaching the psychology of something, but it's actually like, how do we experience that? And that's what the, you asked before what the somatic experiencing, what that means. And soma means body.

So it means how do we experience this within our bodies as opposed to just intellectually learning something. So that's what the work's all about but so basically Carl Jung coined this term archetypes as a Swiss psychologist who learned under Sigmund Freud then broke away from that lineage because to create his own because there was some core I guess disagreements in the way that they approach psychology. So Carl Jung coined this term archetypes, and what he believes is that there's these signature energetic imprints within the collective psyche that can be, that is basically everyone's journey at any point in time.

And if we look at them, they actually correspond with the planets and the cosmology. So it's like what we're experiencing on a deeper level beyond our minds and beyond our everyday functioning and um is we're experiencing the cosmos moving within us so we're basically a like every single one of us is having a shared experience right now within the fact that mercury and Saturn are in retrograde and there's all of these planetary things happening that are influencing our psyche. It's just our inner world reflects the outer world.

And so an archetype is basically just as an energetic imprint in the collective unconscious. It's a vibration. Archetypes these days,'s like like from from planets from planetary archetypes we have all of these like goddesses and deities that have been born and they've been born into form so we've like across different religions and cultures um they i believe they all relate back to the planets you know it's like Aphrodite is actually just Venus um same as Inanna is is Venus and so if we look at all of these gods goddesses and

deities that we've created into form they're actually related just to the cosmology so I also love how they're they're like the too, you know, the hero's journey. Yeah. Yeah, you find it in so many places and I love that. Yeah. So the symbology of it all kind of originates from these deeper archetypal impressions which are related to what's happening in the sky. So I actually piece together like my work is very like I work a lot with archetypal astrology and being able to read people's charts and be like these are the predominant archetypes in your charts this is what you're here to play out kind of in this life and to work with so for example you know I've got

five planets in Scorpio and Lilith in Scorpio and so I you know the dark goddess is something that has been very strong very strong imprint in my life cut like Carly if we look at Lilith and those kind of darker feminine archetypes and my whole business while Grace is really around the feminine archetypes and in particular the dark feminine archetypes come through my branding a lot so we can actually see collectively there's all of these archetypes playing out and influencing us we as a person have this blueprint that does dictate what expressions we're more likely to embody in this lifetime and come into and grow into and while grace really and the archetypal work we do there we journey through different archetypes and we call them in and we actually learn them

through our body and we journey them so we work with dropping into those deeper states and we actually call them in and experience them so we'll actually call in you know the magdalena archetype and we work with different practices to to actually embody her and she's got certain learnings for us. So that's just, yeah, I guess an example, but we work with many different kind of archetypal medicines and they teach us. The planets teach us. Wow.

I love it. Holy crud. That's amazing. I don't think we've ever had anyone on that's had a program like that. That's amazing. It's amazing. It's pretty unique and beautiful. I don't say so myself. Well, and you said something really important is that this isn't something that was built

for you to just absorb into your brain that you're making this program to where you like you absorb it into a soul level that you experience it in your body it's so important yeah embodiment is so key so many people are craving to feel deeply connected to their bodies and then they're outsourcing that into the world like they think they need you know more material possessions because they're craving this feeling of deep embodiment. And so that's what, what it's really about in sourcing the feelings of pleasure in sourcing the feelings of like deep ecstasy and bliss. And like, how do we actually unlock all of those? It's very simple actually. When we come back to our center.

Yeah. I, uh, so is there hope for someone like me who literally does not know how to hold a beat or or and cannot dance whatsoever I'm that chick absolutely it's not about performance it's about embodiment so it's about like the deep sensations and feelings and yeah anyone can unlock that yeah wow I mean it's kind of like qigong you know they do a lot of like these movements and stuff um we had on a gentleman who he was he was hilarious um Mark Shanna what's his last name Walsh he was the name I know Mark Walsh yeah yeah he teaches embodiment hilarious he's so funny oh my gosh it's funny how do you know him he's got the biggest embodiment conference in the world yeah he approached me to speak on one of these conferences

yeah so we've had conversations in that before yeah he's a funny funny man he's funny you know it's interesting the journey to even recognize that i had a body you know what I mean some people it's the opposite right they're just all about the body mine was kind of opposite I was sewing in my head all the time I'm like needs the body but you know it sounds like you've got a really strong energetic imprint too so subtle energetic if you're working a lot with Reiki and you're able to feel other people really deeply on a clairsentience level, sometimes there's this body of work called the erotic archetypes and one of the impressions is energetic and they find it very hard to be in the body

because they're constantly feeling the energy in a space and the subtleties in a space and that really pulls them out from their physical body so I bet that archetype probably is the ones that get screamed at or have to get the best hit of pain to be able to recognize that hey like I'm here you still have a body lady which has been some of the biggest awakenings that I've gone through when my body has screamed at me. I was thinking a lot about the nervous system, which I always do, but I've never really gotten to a place where I'm like satisfied with what I find online or what I've learned about it because I've always felt that for many, many years that my nervous system was damaged, damaged from not just trauma, but also I was an alcoholic for many years, which we know

what alcohol does to the nervous system. But then on top of that, I was in a coma for nine days and, you know, I went, I had an asthma attack and I went through a lot of trauma with a near death experience. And I feel like there's something that happened that causes a lot of my anxiety, my emotions being all over the place, the lack of sleep, the joint pain. So your entire program really interests me because I also feel like a lot of people in the world don't realize how important the nervous system is and how much it's affecting our society today with the word anxiety. And if we could all just learn how to reset our nervous system and to be a little more aware of it and how we can bring it back to life

and heal it, then I feel like that would be a space that I would hope to get to. So through your program, could I do that? Absolutely. We look at the intersection between spirit and science. So how the nervous system actually corresponds with spiritual experience as well. How we can reset the nervous system so that we can actually reset our trauma in some ways as well. Like I believe we can actually move past

a lot of past traumas through nervous system work. So yeah, absolutely. It just blows my mind, like how much our world walks around so asleep to the things they put in their body that are messing up their nervous system. And then the doctors just give them a pill and say, oh, it's because you have anxiety. Well, no, it's because they need to treat their nervous system. And it's just, it's so fascinating that Shanna just learned recently through her COVID experience. And then some symptoms that she was left over with about the vagus nerve. Why were we never taught about the vagus nerve? I mean, it's six miles long for God's sakes. Why are we not educated on how to love our nervous system and our vagus nerve? I know it should be foundational teaching. Sigourney, you know, I just, I was sitting here laughing because I bet you're much like me

when my friends call me or when anybody calls me really and wants advice to me, like, well, why don't we sit and do a discernment exercise? They're probably not going to call me anymore because they doesn't give out advice anymore. She makes you do an exercise with her. Oh my God. That's so God. And probably they will listen to this and laugh and know, but it's true. But cause once I learned to use my body as a tool for my soul it was like oh it was awesome and and it works and so I love that that that's such a big part of not only your practice but also helping your clients with their businesses it's it's all intertwined you can't separate you can't separate it out you know I have several people I am having call you like ASAP. I mean, they're sick of

doing discernment with me. So I think I need to call you too. Truly you've spoken to me and I feel like I've been putting it off. I've just been waiting for this program that reaches out to me to dive into. And I'm like, I feel like yours is the one for me now so you're not only offer this to help people but then you teach people to teach this program of yours all over the world yes so we've got a nine day certification and you journey at first so for the first seven days you're journeying it and then there's like two days at the end which is around leadership and actually holding space for this work and then as a practitioner you also you have the ability to basically be in a membership portal where I'm like teaching regularly so that that you can actually continue to learn

how to integrate this work into your own practice as a practitioner as well so yeah and I recognize you can get insurance globally to actually to actually teach this modality and integrate it into your practice. Yeah. Wow. OK, so on a totally personal level, and you don't have to answer this if I'm crossing a boundary, but you mentioned Tantra and then also you're pregnant right now so with being pregnant what have you experienced I I wish so badly that when I was pregnant I would have been awakened but I wasn't there's so many things I wish I would have just paused to feel longer to connect with so how has experience been for you and what benefits do you believe Tantra can bring to a couple or to you know people it's it's been wild it's been the deepest initiation to date for me that I've been on and the deepest initiation into the into the feminine into the body because you you've got

life growing in your body you've got life growing in the womb you've got two hearts in your own body so it's it's like you're really forced to surrender to the body and and and to listen like you've got no choice and so this journey for me has been it's been quite intense actually like a lot of what I thought I wanted and my desires for life have really like just fallen away and just I feel like more and more things are just becoming really simple it's like actually the truth is that it's very simple like I just love this like all of the complexities and the layers and all of like a lot of aspirations have just been like yeah okay you don't actually want that you got that mother intuition going on already right it's so strong it's so strong i mean

motherhood you lose gray matter in your brain and your frontal lobe starts to turn on turn down and your amygdala becomes the driving part of your brain, which is the part of you that is responsible for your primal responses, so your instinctual knowing, but also fear. So your fears turn up, which that's for me has been like wild, like experiencing the depths of fear that I've never, never experienced before, like the point where I wake up shaking, like just in deep fear because mygdala is so active. It's responsible for memory so start to experience

memory loss and that for me has been really strange too because I'm really cognitively sharp normally and sometimes I'll be just doing something and I'm like I don't know what I'm doing it's a permanent change in the brain for at least two years but sometimes ongoingly so they said that these changes in the brain last for two two years but sometimes ongoingly um so they say that these changes in the brain last for two years up to that they can be changed slightly but usually the baseline of what happens in your yeah is completely rewired so just hear oh yeah i have brain fog i had no idea about the gray matter and the amygdala and that there's truly a scientific reason behind all of what we are

experiencing, including what Shanna just said, that motherly intuition. Wow. That's amazing. Holy crap. You know what? I remember being pregnant and driving somewhere and going, how did I get here? How did I just drive? Did I drive here? Oh my God. I don't even remember stopping at a stop sign. Oh my God. Did I run red lights? It's wild, isn't it? Well, congratulations. And, and, you know, speaking of embodiment, right. Yeah. I mean, how great that you get to be in this state of awareness with your body while you're pregnant. I, I, I really. Yeah. I am. Yeah. Doesn't make it easier.

Actually we've heard that we've heard that because you're just, everything is just so intense. I love it. I am on the opposite side as a healer and working with someone who was pregnant, you know, and sensing these two different souls. It's just, I don't know if you've had that experience, but it's just magical. Well, and I was thinking about how it doesn't make you being pregnant easier, but I feel like your baby's going to come out with a lot of pros from you

being so connected with your baby. I was not very connected when I was pregnant. I was just trucking through life, trying to pay bills. You know, I was young. I was, I was, I had a lot of shame and guilt. I was carrying a lot of pain with me. I was, you know, a lot of fear. I don't know. I feel like that womb is that you're offering to that baby is probably a lot more of a positive energy space than the one I was offering to my child. And he turned out pretty fricking awesome. So. Yeah. And saying that they know, they know who they're meant to journey with, you know, they, they really,

I do really believe they choose us. Yeah. I do too. Yeah. They knew where they knew what room they were going into yeah I'm gonna go in that fucked up room right there hop right in but those imprints that yeah I think also not to judge things as negative or positive because that that's those imprints might be exactly what he needs to play out something in the, in his life. That's going to completely like, like let's rewire that. I think a little bit. Thank you for that. I'm not devoid of my fucked up shit.

I've got a lot going on as well, despite how aware I am. No, thank you for that. That was humbling for me. Cause because you're right I need to rewire my thinking around that so is this program for men too or can they connect to the masculine archetype is this just mostly directed towards feminine no it is for men too men have a feminine side to them and the feminine is just a quality it's the the quality of like deep rest, empathy, connection, intuition. So it's those kind of aspects. We're actually bringing out a men's initiation journey, working through some of the masculine archetypes,

I think in September. So that's coming. But men, we have men in our spaces as well in these trainings. And it's really beautiful having them there. And actually, it's very awakening for the women to see men embody these aspects of themselves because it's so suppressed in society. And those parts are there. And it's often so longing to experience and craving to experience as well.

Let's talk about your book for a second. If you were to like break down this book and your hope for people that read it. My hope is that first and foremost, people feel inspired to start, start their business once reading it and they develop a level of trust in themselves in like in what, in their guidance system.

And also that they have the tools. so it goes through some of the tools they have the tools to actually connect with what's true because I think a lot of people don't trust because they don't actually they can't discern what is true and what's not for themselves it's amazing I've seen a lot of people post that they that they started the their business they launched it and they've you know like from reading this book and that that's yeah it's deeply satisfying for me to get that feedback so what if you're broke as shit and you have no money to start a business is this something you can do like I had no money when I started I walked away from the hospital system for the first time I literally was like okay I have enough to like for my first week of rent moving cities because I I dreamt of moving states so I moved to this foreign state into this hospital and I was there

for I think four months and I just knew I had to move into the main city in Melbourne I didn't know a single person there and I just knew I had to go so I was like all right I'm going and I had enough trust yeah I had enough for like you know rent and food and my journey into the city was that I actually found this woman's profile that lived in Melbourne I was so drawn to her and I just contacted her and said do you want to meet up for coffee I've just moved to Melbourne I feel like I would love to meet you and she's like yeah and she ended up having a studio space with a studio that had just come free to practice at I started working there and started seeing clients like they just started they started coming to me I just put out social media posts had people that wanted to come and see me and then they just built from there I had no idea how it was going to work.

And this is the thing, our logical minds can't comprehend it, you know, what these energetic impulses are going to show us and reveal to us because we don't know. It's the mystery. So it's about trusting in the mystery and trusting in where that's taking us and knowing that if we follow that, we're supported. And that's really how everything's

formed in my life I wish that you weren't in Australia so we could talk more during the day because I think I'd be calling you all the time I'd moved there a year ago actually and some of my things fell over in California but then COVID hit so I flew back home and then I fell pregnant so I'm not coming back but I will at some point um I love it the reason I brought up money is because I think that a lot of people get stuck there as that first thing they're like oh god like I know I don't have money saved I don't have a business loan like I think a lot of people truly just keep grinding in some sort of job just because of that fear around finances so that's why I asked that yeah it's usually not even just the finances it's that they don't actually have the clarity and they don't also have you

know like if I didn't have that energetic connection and wasn't didn't have that knowing that I needed to go or I couldn't feel that then it would be a lot harder decision for me to make with no money like but I could feel that I was being pulled there and I knew and so I think a lot of it is reconnection to knowing as well a lot of people are shut off from that really deeply. So they're like, hey, I have no money, but also what's my next step? Like they don't actually have the clarity to make the right choices. So really my work is in like reconnecting people

to the deep intuitive knowing. The money is just an extension of life force. Money is just life force. That's always available to us. It's just life force that that's always available to us it's yeah whether we're following what's in alignment because the money pours in when that that's coming when we're when we're in that but when we're not it's blocked so if they're making the wrong choices for themselves trying to step forwards and create a business that's like not in alignment with what's actually wanting to move through them and be created, then that could also be detrimental to them. So they need that intuitive connection. Have you been able to get

any feedback from anybody who's read your book and has shared with you like what kind of businesses they started or anything? A couple. I was tagged in a post just the other day of a woman that started a brand in herbal medicines and just like her logo because during reading the book she like saw her logo come through and her branding so she and that was what was stuck for her so she's created her whole brand now so oh my gosh I love it that's awesome and how does that make you feel to know that you've you've inspired so many people to align with their purpose it's amazing it's amazing to know I can do that through a book too that doesn't require me to necessarily show up for a session you know it's like that's happening as people are reading my words I'm like I don't have to do anything here like the work's been done I mean

it was like six months solid of writing this book, but now I can have that impact. Yeah. And talk about divine timing because you're pregnant and you have a lot of your attention that's going to have to go to your baby. So what beautiful timing, because instead of you having to teach all those classes now, you can just say, go get my book.

Yeah, I finished writing in a month before I felt pregnant. Oh my gosh that's amazing wow yeah the universe is working in favor for you girl congratulations thank you well you've been a pleasure thank you so much for coming on can you tell everybody where they can get your book and where they can find more if they want to take any of your classes or learn more yeah absolutely so follow me on instagram www.instagram.com slash sigourney bell or on facebook um my website's also sigourneybell.com uh wild business there you can grab the book at wildbusiness.com slash book. And the Wild Grace Movement is what I was talking about before the practitioner training. So you can find us on Instagram.

It's just dash the Wild Grace Movement or also on Facebook. And we also have a website as well, which is thewildgracemovement.com with an I, not a Y. Wow, you are just as sweet and as beautiful as they come. Soul, physical, all of it. Yeah. Thank you for being a light in the world and for taking the time to come on to Senses Soul. We do ask of every guest.

And now it's time for break that shit down. Yeah, I think it feels like this is a quote. I don't know who it's by, but the essence of it is around. It's not that you're stuck. It's just you need to move and and the way will open so it kind of comes with you know I've been feeling a lot of heaviness in the past week and I was trying to go into the pain I was trying to figure out what it was and then I just had this feeling of like I need to move and since making the decision to move everything has opened up again I feel light there was nothing to actually solve or fix it was actually about just listening calling upon my

guidance and then making the next move and so just trust in the next move and trust that there's lightness with that trust there's nothing that you need to go deeper into. That is actually something that you're needing to follow. You are so worth the wait. Thank you so much. I'd like to hear that more often. It's true though. It is true though. though yeah thanks so much for having me on that was really fun I really yes again congratulations and thank you yeah good luck on the rest of your pregnancy thank you my loves thanks for being with us today We hope you will come back next week.

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