Senses Working Overtime with David Cross - Brian Posehn

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Brian Posehn (Mr. Show) joins David to talk about D&D, doppelgangers, and more. Catch all new episodes every Thursday. Watch video episodes here.Guest: Brian PosehnSubscribe and Rate Senses Working Overtime on Apple Podcasts and Spotify and leave us a review to read on a future episode!Follow David on Instagram and Twitter.Follow the show:Instagram: @sensesworkingovertimepodTikTok: @swopodEditor: Kati SkeltonEngineer: Casey DonahueExecutive Producer: Emma FoleyAdvertise on Senses Working Overtime via Gumball.fm.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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All right. Do you want anything to drink or anything? Chomps? Do you want to chomp a beef stick? Are they... Casey, is that a new, what do you call it, client? I don't think it's a sponsor. That's not real.

It's just a snack that Anya really likes. Oh, we just had that conversation. Yes, sorry. Oh, I think this is Joe's water. I'll take that. Thank you. Yeah. And from last week, of course.

I wouldn't do two podcasts in a row and then distribute them a week later. I don't care how you do it. the We went on a extended... Who is that? That guy looks really... Is that Proops? Yeah. It is Proops? No shit. Wow. First Wayne Brady, then Brian Posein, then Greg Proops. What goes on here?

It's fucking... I don't even know what headcount is. San Francisco reunion. Who's your favorite Brian Hussein? Oh, you don't. I think that would take a long time to answer. I was stepped into that one. There's a long list, I believe. Over 50 years of listening to City of...

I told you Greg Prupp's was here. Why are you throwing the Chocobrah? Exactly, I was saying the same thing. This is wrap it up. Yeah, well, this is Chaka-bra. This means, there ain't no thing but a chicken wing. I know, so why did you go wrap it up and like hang 10? Kind of.

Good to see you. I'm ready. That was Greg Proops, ladies and gentlemen. The aforementioned Greg Proopspp's who dropped in. What were you talking about? Not Shitty Bands. It was something else. Oh, who's your favorite person that you've never met before?

You know nothing about that reviews your comedy and your shows. What? Who is my favorite person that does that? Yeah. What's their handle? What's their or avatar? Aternum Dave. Say it again. Aternum Dave.

Aternum. What does that mean? I don't know. He's in a metal band called Aternum. It's a dude in the UK. You've never met him. I've never met him. But he listens to Nerd Poker every week and I see his name up on all the things. What is Nerd Poker?

That's my podcast. What is it? It's so silly. You would hate it, but we just play D&D and record it. Oh, God. That sounds terrible. I know. When people started doing podcasts, everybody's like, you got to do a podcast.

And I was like, do I have to? I know. People make you. I know. It's like a legal. Yeah, I know. So when they told me to make one, I was like, I just want to record my friends.

And we used to do it at a studio. Now we do it at my house or we Zoom. And we just play D&D. Fuck it. Why not? Super's super fun. And people- No one listens. It's just the turn of Dave and a couple other guys.

But that's, I think that's the, I think there are two things, two aspects to a podcast that it should be entertaining or edifying, right? Or you know, you learn something from it. All I've got is entertaining. I mean, I'm not trying to teach anybody anything. Sometimes I'll recommend a book.

Sometimes I'll give the wrong title to the book and have to do a disclaimer and pop something in, which I just did. But mostly, 80 percent of these podcasts is just being silly. And you can listen or not. I think people don't know that. I think some people think they're required to listen to podcasts. And then required to write, well, I didn't care for that.

Why are they making me listen to this over and over again? I don't have to listen to this? Yeah. But I mean, that seems to be all you should be wanting from your podcast. So, nerd poker seems like it's perfect. You're having a good time. You can listen or don't listen. Yeah. I just missed playing D&D,

so I was like, I can do this. It was always like, if we generate anything, I'll pay for the guy that produces it and pay for my Dungeon Master. It's so dumb saying that out loud. It is. As an adult, I think we're past the age of 15. As an adult. At the age of 15, I have to pay by Dungeon Master.

So do you guys not take turns? I thought it rotates around who did use the Dungeon Master. And I say this from 100% ignorance. You really want somebody who knows what they're doing and likes the job. So if you randomly made a D&D player, I think most people who play would rather not be the dungeon master or the game master. Okay. So is it like, is it kind of like the mayor in Mafia?

Like you don't get to play, but you're running the game. Yeah, you're not playing it. You're running the game exactly. And then they have to do a lot of prep generally, unless they're just doing one of of the old games the way it's written in the old books. So what would the prep be? The story. Oh, OK. Like the whole thing.

And prepare all whatever characters, maps. So you come into this fresh. You don't know your character. You don't get to. No, I know my character. You build your own character. Oh, he uses those characters and then creates a story. Exactly.

And then makes non-player characters. He runs and does voices for anybody that he's telling the story with. So I'd be thought of getting maybe Tom Kenny because he does a lot of voice work. He does SpongeBob. He does Powerpuff Girls. And he could be a dungeon master. He'd be great. Guys like, we've had people you know play the game. I've had Tom Lennon come on.

Guys like that are- Have they played it before? Yeah. I think he had played D&D at different points in his life, but he just took to it right away. Some of the lowest points in his life. Yeah. But guys like that and people that, you would actually, if you played it, you'd probably have

fun because people like Padgett have done it and was like she was like no I'll never do this and she had a blast. You would have fun if you committed to it. If it was you and your friends and like minded people. It's Ken Daly is one of them. I've been playing with Ken for 20 years and then Blaine and you know. That sounds like fun. Yeah, it's super fun.

And I did, the only time I've ever played it wasn't even a real thing, but it was, I did, God, way back, Dan Harmon's thing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I certainly know of it and culturally I've seen television shows. I know enough that I have a general understanding, but like I didn't know you. So that your character is something you built and you bring that with you to every game. Yeah. So when it dies, when your character dies, it's a big thing. Like people get bombed. Like when the dungeon map, especially if you think the DM killed your character on purpose or didn't let you, you know, give

you a chance to survive, you know. And it's all like math. It's all like dice rolls and percentages and all that. So you could find yourself, and I suppose somebody finds themselves against a much stronger boss, and you're rolling, you're rolling and you just got shit luck and your character dies. Right, and sometimes he gives you a boss that's insurmountable.

There's no way that you and your four other idiot friends with your, and you're all like third level and you're fighting like a 20th level. So how would that work? Couldn't you say to the dungeon master, since you're paying this motherfucker, hey, no 20 level 20 bosses. It just depends on, you know, I think that's part of the fun is that like our guy, Dan

Telford, he's a funny dude, he's a comedian and sometimes he'll just have a bug up his ass. He's just like, I'm going to kill you guys. And that's, that makes it kind of fun where he's long would it take you to he's actively trying to murder us in a game You know, how long would it take you to rebuild a character to the level you? Oh not long I mean in nowadays you can you can just do it on online and it's but in the old days what? you could build a character online, but in the old days. I thought it was, now that's surprising to me, because can't you just, aren't you just saying?

Well, you're rolling dice, so you're getting your stat numbers, but you can even do that now. You can do fake dice rolls, where it rolls the dice for you. Well, that seems to take a lot of the fun out. It does. I'd rather not do that. I'd try to do it the old way. Do you have to do it at a certain time?

Is it like, I'm not kidding. Like, how do you build your... No, you can do it whenever. Or do you just walk in the next day like, hey guys, I was online and I got an archer that can freeze? Generally he'll say, hey, we have a new game. Is that even close, an archer that freezes things? Yes. Yeah, that could definitely be something.

Freeze archer? Uh-huh. Okay. Nice archer. Yeah, that could definitely be something. Freeze archer? Uh-huh. OK. An ice archer. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, but he'll give you time. He'll go, we're starting a new game. Just prepare your characters and be ready. Can't you just lie and go, yeah, I got this and this is the thing?

Who do you roll your dice in front of? Right, but what good is that? Why would you lie about your character? To fucking, no, no, I'm sorry, not lying about, you got shit to do, you got a family. Your son is like, how come I never see dad anymore? Why is he in the garage still with those guys? Where's all my Monster Energy drinks? And then, so to avoid that, can't you just go, hey, I've got an ice archery, he's level three,

and here are his attributes? Yeah, you could definitely do that, but then who benefits from not putting any work into it? Your family does. It doesn't take that much time. You think this is a way harder process than it actually is. I need, daddy needs two hours. I'm going up to our lake house.

Well, don't you do like, I don't know what you do anymore. Do you do, you have to be involved in some kind of fantasy league, right? Yes, yes. How many? Just one, just one. Just baseball? Just baseball, yeah. That's it.

That's it. You don't do a football thing? No, I did a long time ago and that's so much easier. But the, no, I've been- How much prep work do you have to put into the baseball thing? You have to like- I do, yeah, several hours. And are you still playing?

I don't even know. Like, do you pick guys on the current Braves? Is that your team still? Sure, but we're NL only. So you look at what they're doing. Yeah. I don't even, I'm guessing. So you look at their they're doing. Yeah. I don't even, I'm guessing.

So you look at their actual stats. Yeah. And then that's how you play each game. But now do you, when Atlanta's playing the Giants, are you playing the Giants in your league? No. No. Everybody, we're National League only.

Sometimes we do off-street. So you actually play the games when the actual games are playing, you're playing. because it's fantasy too. I love that you guys use that. Well, it's like, all of us are jerking off during it. We finally, it's highly erotically charged. This only became me kind of against that, because it feels like I was a little attacked. me like kind of against that because it feels like it felt like I was

against that I'm not attacking. I'm sorry if I'm coming off that way. I am asking No, but I don't know either. Yeah, I know it's the same thing I don't I don't know how that goes either. So I understand. Yeah, but it's not a good correlation because Because one's cooler? No, Brian. No. One, the way that you're building a character from scrap with the rolls of the dice.

As opposed to using actual ballplayers, yes. Right. And then we have a draft. Yeah. And once that draft is over, that's it. Right. And it's, and my wife will tell you this, it's quite literally the most important day of the year. It's more important than my daughter's birthday tell you this, it's quite literally the most important day of the year.

It's more important than my daughter's birthday. More important, it is. It's more, I would rather skip my daughter's birthday than miss the draft. Right. Because that's your team all year, and occasionally somebody has to go on autopilot, it fucks it up for everybody.

That's kind of why we moved to Snake draft as opposed to auction. And everybody, that person will feel very guilty and it messes it up. And that's your chance to get your team. And then you can trade and you have a salary cap and stuff like that. But you're taking real world applicable stats

and projections, Creating a team and then from there, those are real people who have real, so I'm not rolling the dice. In other words, I can't go, I can't jumped ahead. Got you. Well, it's different, but I actually like that part of it, of creating the character. And then when they die, it is a big deal.

And it can be frustrating, but then starting over. Because you've created an emotional attachment to- Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, yeah. The Binkles, the Elfin Sage. Yeah. Binkles, the Elfin Sage. I need a shirt now. Oh my God. Sage. Yeah. Binkles the Elven Sage.

I need a shirt now. Oh my god. What has been one of your... Why are you so dumb? Like, I... Most of my characters... I try to be the first guy in the room. And, you know, so...

I'll always make guys my size. Generally, when I pick, I'll just do like a big guy, but it'll be somebody who is actually benefited from their size. You can smash a boulder. Yes, which I can't actually do with my big frame. Well, you just, but you haven't applied yourself. I think if you really applied yourself, you're going to get a year,

at least a year to crunch or planet fitness. You've had stuntmen sometimes, right? On jobs, like whenever I have a stuntman, it's always like, oh wow, you handled your life totally differently than I did. You did stuff that made your neck look like that. I never did anything to make my neck look like anything. But when I meet another six foot six guy that has to double me in something, they're always

like this, you know? They're thick. Right, wouldn't they be? Yeah, yeah. But me, I'm like, meh, I'm a big schmoo, six foot with me. Yeah. Yeah, but me I'm like me smooth six foot six man, I Always feel bad always when I haven't had that many they'll have a

occasionally that you're Like contractually you have to have a stunt guy and I I've been able to do my own stunts most of the time. But occasionally they just put their foot down. Right. And, and then there've been a couple of times where I was like, no, you can do that when I can't do that, but there was a guy did this, this happens a couple of times too, where, uh, somebody will come in to do the stunt, nice guy, you know, get along with all of them. They're they're interesting folks. I'm sure and They You know look good they got a you know, they're

Full head of hair and whatever and they have to shave Their fucking head and I'm like dude you can put a bald cap on, he's like no no and they will sit there. They just did that for me to another guy. Like oh man I'm so sorry I'm so he's like I don't grow back like I you looked so good coming in here and now you look really odd you know. I did a job where I shaved but then the latest one I did was they made him look like me and I felt bad. I was like, sorry, dude.

Yeah, I always apologize. And they're totally cool. It's their job. Yeah, the guy was super nice about it. And they're like, that's fine. It'll grow back. Oh man, it looks odd. Yes.

I'll wear a hat. Okay. Yeah. It looks odd. Yes. I'll wear a hat. Okay. Yeah. With my hair, it's awful, but I wouldn't wish this on anybody. Oh, God, no. Not even your worst enemy though, Brian. What about your worst enemy?

Yeah, maybe them. I don't really have a worst enemy. That you know of. Right. Maybe this guy in the UK might turn on you and become your worst enemy. I never even thought of that. Yeah, you gotta be careful. You do you I gotta tell you and you may experience the same thing, but you know doing stand-up, you know, I'm still going out there and

sort of bulk of my audience has grown with me. Yeah. And, you know, there's always new kids in there and stuff like that. But there are, you know, at least a third of the audiences, you know, within 10 years of my age. And I would say half of those guys look like you. And I wonder if, cause I have a very common look

and I don't know if common's the right word, but a very, it's specific bald with this kind of beard and you know, and you have a specific look. And I wonder if there are more people that look like Brian Poseyne or more people that look like David Cross. Cause I see a lot of Brian Posey, especially at my shows. My crowd is, yeah, a lot of guys that look like me and the women that love them.

That's the name of your first book. Yes. The guys that look like me and the women that love them. No, but these guys that look scarily like me, like there's a few. Dude. I've had people where like I was in Buffalo and they go, they came into the green room and they go, hey, we let your brother sit up front. I go, excuse me?

And they go, a guy came in and he looked exactly like you, so we just put sit up front. I go, excuse me? And they go, when God came in and he looked exactly like you, so we just put him up front. Like, they didn't even have a hat. So he's like, oh, sweet. He gets the best. What a weird assumption. And then I saw the guy, and I was like, holy shit. And right away, I was like, dude, you look like me.

And we took a picture afterwards. But yeah, there's been a few of those. Yeah, I mean,'s been a few of those. Yeah. I mean, I see a lot of guys that act like it's the worst thing in their life that they look like me. They go, people tell me I look like you and I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry. Like, fuck you. Yeah. And that hurts my feelings.

Yeah. And you can shave that beard off, asshole. You're that worried about it. Yeah. How about walking? Yeah. I remember one time we were in San Francisco. This is way, way, way, way going way back. I think the era of the green jacket.

It was post-Mr. Show, but pre other stuff. And it was the first time I'd been out, it was just you and I walking around and nobody noticed me and they all noticed you. It was like, I didn't talk to one person. And it was like having the Brian Poseyne deflection shield. And you, you're the one who observed it and mentioned it.

When you go out and you can be with whoever, just Robert Pattinson or Eddie Vedder or- I haven't hung with those dudes lately. But I guess it would happen. Yeah, it does. Well, I think it's just because I'm Imposing you're big. Yeah a lot bigger. Yeah, you know That they they very quickly don't care about they want to but I still get people that aren't sure and I'm like

You should be sure Aren't sure that you're you yeah, right don't come up like tentative. Well, they saw your brother in Buffalo Yeah, that's true. And that guy pretended to be you. And then they learned he wasn't. And they're never going to trust another Brian Poseyna-like. Right. Casey, will you trademark that Brian Poseyna-like?

Yeah, yeah, I'll get on it. Thank you. So what are we talking about? Just D&D, your podcast. Please. People that look like you, stuntman. How's your kid? We don't get to hang.

And that thing that Mr. Show reunion we did was super fun. That was fun. I was really worried that I was going to be half asleep because just my whole schedule is different now. I'm usually not up past midnight. Right. But yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was weird because there was the delay that I had.

I don't know if you all had that. So it was that powering through an interview where you can hear your, it's hard. What was cool, I don't know, I'm sure there were some people that were like, was that tape? Or was that, I bet, because there was a little bit of like- Oh, because of the delay.

Yeah, because of the delay, it almost felt like, oh, they don't really, he's not really there live. Right, yeah, I can see that. Yeah, this is pre-recorded, but it felt so fun. And just, it felt like something we would have done in the old days, you know, like zooming it, you know, or even faking a Zoom call. It just, the way it worked out, I'm almost glad that it was billed wrong. Yeah. Well, you know...

Because it said, Mr. Show reunion. And so everybody's like, and you weren't on the bill originally. So everybody's like, well, where the hell is- No, Bob and I immediately, individually saw that and texted Rath and we're like, dude, what the fuck? You can't do that. I'm not going to be there. I wasn't going to throw him under the bus, but yes, there was one person that we all knew was responsible. Well, he threw somebody else under the bus. So So but, and I'm not trying to throw him under the bus. I was just like, there was a person who was putting it together.

I'm like, you can't say reunion. No. That's not, that's. No, no, no. You know, that's unethical. Well, and besides you two, there was only a couple of us. It wasn't a full reunion anyway, but it was a fun night regardless.

It was Mr. Show light. Yes. Yeah, yeah. A tribute to Mr. Show. It's always fun just to hang with those guys and watch people that you haven't... I've watched Zack do stand-up in forever. That was so fun. Zach.

Galifianakis. See, I... Oh, yeah, you didn't get to see and it had- See, I logged off. Oh, yeah. You didn't get to see any of that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm three hours ahead, so I had to get up at 6.30 to get my kid ready for school and everything.

Right. So, yeah, I mean, by the time I logged off, it was like 12.30, so maybe 12.45. Yeah, it was a good time. I was going to go to sleep. I would have loved to, yeah. I would have loved to have been there to hang. I would have been a really fun hang, I imagine. The sketch was fun.

I love now where when Bob asked me to do things, I would say yes regardless, but that's part of the fun is just like, what is he going to write for me? That stuff was all made up and all him. That's most of the fun is just like, what ridiculousness did he come up with? He get to riff in it and just have fun and everybody knows each other. Oh, yeah.

He and I have done this thing. I had a big show in Central Park last summer and he was going to be a part of that. Remember, yeah. Then it rained out and I got postponed and he couldn't do the other thing. But we've done this thing now, done it maybe three or four times, like benefits and stuff where, well, and it's truly one of the most fun 15 minutes I've had on stage ever every time we do it where we go, oh, so you know, Bob will come out if I'm hosting

or if he's hosting, I come out and it's like, oh, you know, this is, it's great that we can do this, but, you know, this is normally David and I's pitch time and we get together once a week on, you know, whatever it is, Wednesday at 1040 and we run pitches by each other. And but so if you don't mind, it's kind of our normal time to do that. We'd like to do that now. And then I will have written five titles, and then kind of just a log line.

And on five separate, you know, index cards, piece of paper and him as well. Then we clearly, the audience understands what we're doing is, he's giving me this to read for the first time cold, and then I read it and then I have to explain what the movie, the TV idea, it's really fun. I bet. I don't know why I brought that up. Because it fit.

Well, it didn't involve you though. You're my guest. And nobody was part of the fun of performing with Bob and riffing. Tell me about your fucking Dungeons and Dragons thing again. That's what everybody's doing. How old is Rhodes now? Oh boy. My son? 15.

15. That's that age. It is and it isn't. He's like, people say cliches about it. People are like, oh, he's going to hate you. I've had friends that had kids that hate him, but he's not. Yeah. He doesn't hate me.

It's a different thing. And a lot of parenting at that age is mostly hands off. If you're making your grades and you're doing this and you're listening to the rules, and it's mostly what my wife's, what Melanie says. For me, it's like just I'm that dad. I'm like... Just stay out of trouble. Yeah. Just don't piss off your mom, basically. What about social media?

Is that a thing? It's a thing, but he's anti a lot of it. But then I worry about certain influences, but then I'll check in with him and I'll go, hey, what are you listening to? Or I'll say, hey, this guy is a douchebag, don't listen to this. There's certain podcasters where I've said, hey. Right. So he listens to podcasts. He does a little bit and he finds comedy that way,

but I won't throw anybody under the bus. But he recently said something where it was like, oh wow, he gets it. He hated on somebody mainstream. He was like, no, that guy sucks, dad. And I was like, cool, just checking. Just making sure. Was it me? No, no, no. It was like, you know, just one of the big right-wing comic out there. So I was just like, hey, you don't think that guy's funny, do you? And he's like, no way. All right. There's a little bit of that. And he's a gamer, but he's a creative kid.

He really wants to direct movies and he's already working on that. And then the school that he's at, like they have a film program. But then actually like pick up and drop off time because that's when you get to talk to him because he does like disappear you know yeah and he's going into his room he's 15 yeah and finishing games like he's played Red Dead Redemption like three times all the

way through and I still haven't finished the second one did you play Deathloop at all? I don't know Deathloop. Oh, it's really good but I The finishing it's not a lit. It is linear And but in order to that's it's it's a really clever Fun game with great music and it looks good and really good kind of dialogue and acting. But you have to do all these different things and they're divided into four sections of the day, right? Night, right? Two, so you got morning, early morning, mid-morning, afternoon, evening,

whatever. And there are these people on this island with these different powers that you have to kill, assassinate. The whole thing is to assassinate these. But if you mess up or you die, you go back to the beginning, like literally the beginning. Although you get – but you've learned all this stuff, right? Right. And you learn more and more how to do it and what thing works here and what and you know where to get the arsenal and stuff like that And you're on this island. It's very trippy like

modest late 60s early 70s vibe and But in order to finish the game so I've completed I've I've and I found new ways to assassinate somebody I've found new ways to assassinate somebody. You have to do it all in a row without messing up. Oh, wow. I got all the way to that point. I'm like, I'm not going to fucking do this. It's going to take forever and I know I'm going to fuck up and it's just going to be infuriating.

It literally would be the end of the game. So you stopped playing? I stopped, yeah. Maybe I'll pick it up again since it's been a year and a half or two, whatever, since I've played it, but it's a really, I recommend it, it's good, but it's the idea that you, it's almost like a, like not a speed run,

but you would have to apply everything and not mess up at all. You would have to go back to the beginning. It's eight people who are powerful. Now I want to try it. It's good. I recommend it. It's really fun, interesting, and unique, which is, you can't say that about a whole lot of games. Right. I don't even think I'd heard of that about a whole lot of games. Right.

I don't even think I'd heard of that one. Yeah, Deathloop. Cool. And really cool. When you see the artwork for it, you'll get immediately like, oh, this is what they're going for. Yeah. Cool.

At least visually, yeah. Did you talk to Wayne Brady when you came in? No, I didn't know what was going on in there. It seemed very serious that day. It was very serious. He is starting up a podcast here at HeadGum. And it's called, Let's Make a Deal, but There's a Question Mark. That's not true. What is this podcast name? It's called What If. What If? No question mark.

That's the twist. There is a question mark? Yeah. So I was right that there's a question mark. I just had the wrong word. Yeah, it is. And he, tell me if, correct me if I'm wrong, but the podcast is Every week he has a guest on and it's like What if you had a thousand dollars and that's it? That's the same thing for everyone, right? Or what if you were lactose intolerant? No, they were toying with that and then it's an hour of

Really you can make that last an hour. Yeah For multiple episodes. How would you do that? What would you? Let's try it out. All right. Hi, I'm Wayne Brady, and this is, I'm with my guest, Brian Posehn, here on What If. Brian, thank you for coming down.

Yeah. Now I'm going to ask you, what I ask everybody, what if you had $1,000? the the the the the the the the Sure. Please stop it. Sorry, my tongue is a little spastic.

No, but in all seriousness, what if you were lactose intolerant? I think I was, actually. You'd have that special milk. Oat milk? Almond milk. Yeah, that one that that special milk oat milk? almond milk? yeah that one cashew milk? yeah sure mouse milk? mouse milk? sure it's a thing mouse milk greatest milk is milk from ice you don't remember that commercial when we were kids? no mouse milk mouse milk mouse

milk mom dot, oh right it was British. Mummy, daddy. Of course. I forgot you were raised over there. What else you got for me Brian? That's, that would feel... I'm sorry I don't have a, you know, level nine orc. I wish you did. I know. I can see it. I can read it. I don't know, man. What do you want to talk about? Whatever. I mean, this is about the loosest format for a podcast there is. And yet I'm sweating. You're not going to get fired.

I feel like I already did. No, no. Listen, we can cut out anything. I mean, we won't, but we can. Let's start over. We haven't started yet. Are you kidding? No, we're starting.

Let's start now. My guest with me on Census Working Overtime is Brian Posey. Now, Brian, a lot of people mispronounce your last name and say Posey. That's true, my whole life, yeah. Yeah, and that seems odd to me. You would figure that eventually, yeah, they'd figure it out. Yeah.

Or just ask me. Because you're famous too. Yeah. The best was in the old days where I would go back to a radio station and then they'd get mad that they had said it wrong the first time. Would you have corrected that more? No, and I didn't say anything the last time. So they're like, we called you Brian Posen the last time. And I was like, yeah, dude, I don't know what to tell you. It's Posen. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, my whole life.

Yeah. But don't worry about it. Like, I forgot that you did that last time. Yeah. I'm glad you're still upset at yourself. Or you for not seeing. About your slight, you know. And posseing is French for proprietor? Yeah.

Proprietor? Yep. Okay. That's it. How'd that come in? Was that an Ellis Island thing or? Yep. Yeah. So, Ellis Island thing or? Yep. Yeah.

So yes and, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yes and. Well, you would fill it in. Yes, yes and. And you would fill it in. You would fill it in.

Oh, I didn't know that part. I just thought you said yes and. Yeah, well, that's why you're paying $1,200 a week to take my class. You know what is, we're here in, is this officially Silver Lake or Echo Park? Silver Lake. When does Silver Lake end and is it Lucille? What's the cutoff?

I would say Alvarado is usually where my brain shifts it over. Right, that makes sense. Alvarado seems like you're already in Echo Park though. Yeah. Maybe give or take 500 feet or so. Casey, can't we just say Lucille? Well, Lucille is right here and that's like silver like silver. That's not what I meant. Okay. Oh, but when I'm walking back to my Airbnb, there is a UCB closed, shuttered. There's like a right up here.

Oh, I didn't know there was one over here. Yeah. Well, there isn't anymore. Well, that's sad. I know. Who's going to tell Matt, the two Mats? Well, I'm sure when one closes, another one opens up somewhere else, right? That's God.

Yeah. When God closes a window, he opens up another window because he doesn't want to draft. But it's about improv schools too. God took it from the improv school maxim that, when one improv school closes another you know when one door you know there was a sign I saw in North Carolina Chapel Hill I believe and it was there was a church and there were all these doors that they had put like a sculpture type thing, doors out on their kind of lawn, like six row painted like I think it was, might have been gay pride colors. But on the doors they had written, God's door is always open. And I would say to that, then God does not need a door in the first place. If you're going to always have your door open, you've negated the reason to have it.

Just a doorway. Just a doorway. You don't need a door. If it's always open. Right. And it's not like there's a, you know, there's hurricane season in heaven. So, if you... he doesn't understand how doors work or the purpose of doors. Yeah. Or... Maybe what they mean is it's unlocked.

Holy shit, I never thought about that. Well, you just ruined that bit. It's not like wide open. It's just... Right. It's... You can still come in, but... But there is a draft and there is a hurricane. So we're going to have to close it. Right. But yes, you don't have to... Don't bother knocking. It's like a rural community.

Don't bother knocking. Yeah. If the church is rocking... If the church is rocking, don't bother knocking. Right. There's some fucking going on in there. I know it's ass, gas, or grass, nobody writes for free, but it used to be a whole ton of them, right? It was ass, gas, or grass, and mass Bill Blass, Crass albums.

There was a bunch of them. Nobody rides for free. So there were way more opportunities to get a free ride. But I guess not free, but get a ride. But now it got reduced, I think during the second Bush administration too. It's just ass or, you know, pussy, whatever. Yeah, I think Trump's changing the whole thing, though. Like he threw all that out because that's like a liberal law. Oh, okay. So what is it now? There's a law made by liberals. I don't know. He's completely rebooting it. Aren't all laws made by liberals? It's a liberal concept, you know? A bunch of

libtards, you know, tell me about it is is Is your kid libtarded Have you had a test? Yeah Right down the middle. Oh my god those shoes. Oh my lord. I'm just seeing those Is that your dog? Yeah, it is. Oh my god, let me see that. Yeah.

First of all, what a cute fucking dog. Yeah, it's my, Mel made these, this is Mavis, my Bernese. Yeah, I have a Bernadoodle. Oh, you do? Yeah, yeah. That's cool. Yeah, well, sorta.

I wouldn't say cool, but it's, but I will say. I just love that you love dogs. I love dogs. Yeah. And when- There was a time. No, no. I had bits about getting a puppy. Right. Cause Ollie was a puppy. And I, all it, it wasn't about, I didn't like dogs.

This wasn't my second dog. I had a dog growing up, but I loved Ollie. It was just bits about, you know, like, she's not licking you. She likes salt. She doesn't like, it's not like, oh, this lovable little thing loves me. And it's like, nah, she loves whatever juice you have on your hand.

But, but yeah, so when, when Ollie died, which I talk about extensively in my special I'm from the Future, if you want to check that out, good stuff, I wanted to get another dog, but my wife is allergic to certain danders, and so we had to get a hypoallergenic dog. There are not that many options. I didn't want the short-haired Chihuahua guys. I wanted a big dog. Marlo wanted a big dog and she really wanted a dog. She was remarkably attached to Oli and

took her passing really hard, much harder than we expected. And so we had to go and I would never get a bred dog. Oli was a rescue, first dog was a rescue. But yeah, so but she's great. She's goofy as fuck, like super playful. Doesn't know, she's huge. Doesn't know her own size. She's only 15 months now and she's, you know, like a donkey.

Oh, that's about ours. Yeah, ours is about the same. And super playful. Because this one passed. This one's Mavis and my mother-in-law got us another one. And yeah, we've rescued two, but we rescued this one from a breeder. Really? We paid $4,000 to get her away from this crazy lady. The bread dog.

So you just bought. Yeah, you bought. It's the same thing. I haven't thought of that spin. I'm going to make myself feel you just bought. Yeah, you bought. It's the same thing. I like, I never thought of that spin. I'm going to make myself feel better with like. No, I know. Yeah, we pay a bunch of.

I piss off to rescue people by, wait, what did he say? They really take offense. Yeah, we rescued her, $4,000, rescued her from this breeder. We're still in touch occasionally. Yeah. If we have a question. Yeah, breeding dogs is a bummer. It is, but I don't know.

I don't want to get too into it because I actually like breeds. I like the dog, traditional dog breeds and Bernie's Mountain Dog. For me, I guess I could have adopted any big dog and it would have Dog, it wound up for me, I love it. I guess I could have adopted any big dog and it would have been, I would have fallen in love with it. But with this, I just like the breed and I like what comes from having a working dog or whatever. Yeah. And this one, like- And your dog loves the snow. She loves the Burbank winter.

Right now, it's February- I know. And your dog loves the snow. She loves the Burbank winter. Right now it's February 26 and it is 78 degrees. No I know. I had a walker before it got too hot today. But yeah, it's not ideal. But it is. It's not even close to ideal. It's for a Bernese Mountain dog.

Right. But the idea is that I'd take her to the snow for fun. Do you? We haven't. Oh, it's on the to-do list. Yes. I, this is her, you know, first, my dog's first winter as a, not a tiny puppy, teeny tiny puppy. And you actually get winters where you are, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah. We had snow and I have a place upstate that has, you know, at least a foot of snow, you know, and she fucking loves it. I bet. She goes nuts. So yeah, that was partly why I felt a moral obligation to get a dog. We have a townhouse in Brooklyn. We live in an area that is, I'm in between Prospect Park and Fort Greene Park, and there's a dog run two or whatever, three blocks away with dogs that she loves.

And we have a place upstate in the woods. I feel I have to get a dog. It's wrong to not have a dog. I get it. I didn't have them for so long, and now I couldn't even imagine not having one. Was there but a period in between your Mavis passing? No, we went probably too fast. Because I still miss her.

I know people have done that. I know. I still miss her, but my mother-in-law and Melanie, they just decided, well, we'll get one. And so we had it like 20 days later, I had a new puppy. That is a bit soon. Yeah, you can't really process, and you've got this other thing.

I've had other people who've been in that situation say they did that and regretted getting a new dog. I know people that do replace it right away or just wait. But I just like having dogs. So yeah, it's a whole other thing now, having a puppy and then especially having one is huge. Yeah, I got- But then you get material that's- Yeah, the material. I got a whole bit about euthanizing Ollie. I do and which is a real thing and a real process and breathing and stuff.

And I, we got Rose when she was 10 weeks old, eight weeks old, I think eight weeks old. Yeah. And, and then I brought her and sat her down and had her watch me kill Ali. This isn't true. Ali, of course. It's not true. Okay. Is it a puppy?

Like this is, this is, um, you're looking into the the South. You can end up. Yeah. Oh man. It's we, I would recommend this though. We had, uh, we found a vet that came to our house and let us do it in her spot.

She was Ollie's vet who was up the street. You know, it was like four blocks away. And that had been recommended to me from a couple of people who have done that. And it makes all the difference in the world Yeah, and I only couldn't really walk very well Like I would have had to carry her up to the vet and that that even seems just even worse yeah, knowing what you're gonna do and

It's really no fun way to do it, but that's not true. That's not true Listen to my bit Brian. I'm from the future available on somewhere my website maybe. Cool. I have a whole thing about where I had Diplo come in. I only know that's a thing. But I couldn't tell you what Diplo actually does. Is he like a DJ? Yeah, he's a DJ. I would hate it, right? I don't know enough to say. So I don't- But I would think so. I don't know if it's like. I don't think there is one that's won me over.

Well, like hip hop DJs, that's a whole other thing. That's a different thing, yeah. That I enjoy. Yeah. But this other. You're nodding your head. No, don't, yeah. I know you're engineer super into DJ music. Casey is a DJ.

He's actually producing a record over there. Look at him. You have a residency at MGM Grand in Vegas, right? Yeah, coming up. Yeah, sweet. Sweet. You always do New Year's. Did you already make your billboard?

Is your billboard already up? Yeah. DJ, it is, there's such a massive world and as I get older, it only increases of shit I know, I've never heard of, I know nothing about where they're like, yeah, they're multimillionaires. People have those street tapes. Isn't that fucking crazy? They're like, yeah, you sold the million, this thing went platinum. Yeah.

Yeah, they didn't even release it. It's out where there's a DJ who owns an island, you know? Yeah. Yeah. That I haven't even tried. But like, there are like, I feel like we miss out on a lot. I don't know, like, there's comedians I've never heard of and there's shit just in here.

Like, how old am I? And what the fuck? You don't even. Yeah, but I mean, it's this and you're like how old am I and what the fuck you don't even yeah but i mean it's not like you're it's just you're not on the road right you've got a family no i am on the road or you know what i mean you're not yes you're on the road but you're not you are not on the road with no responsibilities right you know you're not hanging out you're not right right right not going out and checking out after the show. You're going to go, or do you? Maybe you go to the, do you jump on other shows when you're-

Not really. No, the only thing I try to do to not go crazy is just go to record stores and go to comic book shops when I'm in town and you know just trying to not get depressed sitting in a hotel room. Yeah, see more doppelgangers. Yes. Like I went out on the road the last two tours with Sean Patton, right? Brilliant, great comedian, great hang. But that guy will and there's I'm not this I'm not disparaging this at all. I mean, it's a thing that just has no attraction to me. But after the show, he's like, hey man, I'm going to go, there's a really cool club here, wherever, you know, Ann Arbor, Madison or whatever. And I'm going to jump on to 15 minutes. I'm like, fuck no.

I just- The last thing I want to do. But he's younger and- Yeah. My guys don't do that often, but yeah, I like having another feature out with you because- Oh yeah. Helps not go insane. Yeah. That's a big part of it.

I just think the show is more fun. Oh yeah, for sure. I did a tour a long time ago, it was 2008, where Todd Glass opened up and that was a blast. And then after that, I was just doing so much time. I was like, you know what? I just want the stage time.

I'd rather do, I want the extra 20 minutes, you know? And I did a number of tours where it was just me and I'd go out there. And then I think in part because I was, it can get lonely and it's depressing and the travel is really brutal. So you weren't even having a feature or a local feature. No. I would just go and do all the time. Right.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Then I was like, fuck it. What became I'm from the future was going to be a tour, but COVID negated that. Not negated, but stopped that. Then Sean was going to open up that. I had Sean and I chained Torres when Sean couldn't do it. Yeah. And I've got Steve Fury opening up in Canada.

I like, it sounds like you agree, but I like to have somebody who sets the table. I want them to crush. Absolutely. Before me. Oh, Sean. I mean, both of those guys are great, but Sean is That's the energy. Yeah, I mean You know there what I really truly thought Like I want to I want to give an opportunity to Trans black woman or something, you know, I really did was like there are some good comics People I like they're funny, but the energy is not right and then you know, ultimately I was like, there are some good comics. People I like are funny, but the energy is not right. Then ultimately I was like,

well, am I going to get a white guy? I mean, Sean is perfect and really just, as you said, sets a table. His energy is subject matter and his comedy persona and skill set is just like, it's perfect for me. Right. That's what I look forward to. And who opens up for you usually? I got a couple different guys. JT Habersad is a guy out of, you probably know him out of Austin. I don't. A funny guy.

He does a festival called Altercation Fest there. We just met co-featuring on something years ago and he headlines. But I like my guys to be headliners when they're not with me too. Yeah, well both Sean and Shane. They're there because they want to be there because they know my crowds are going to be headliners when they're not with me too. Yeah, well, both Sean and Shane and the, you know. They're there because they wanna be there because they know my crowds are gonna be fun. And, you know, so he's one and then Derek Sheen from out of Seattle, I'm sure you know Derek.

I don't. I mean, just going back to like cattle, I don't know. Yeah, right, well, I don't know half the other. The whole world is passing me by. But I know people really only, I mean, because I don't go to comedy clubs on my own, and I will tour, and that's a year of work, but then it takes me a while to

get a new hour before I can go out and tour. So I'll just do sets in Brooklyn, you know, shooting the shit, seeing what sticks, things. And then I have various people on there that I don't know, but like, yeah, put whoever on. And the bookers know me and my act and they put, so I know people that way. And that's that. And then like oh a Netflix, you know, whatever the algorithm TV points me towards

So That's about it with my guys I just met them different places and then you know, and then they're the guy and then I lose them You know, I had like Ron functions for a while. Yeah, yeah, and then Jessel name. I had Ron Funches for a while, I had Anthony Jesselny for a couple of weeks. Yeah. He said something so... Dude, he's one of my favorite guys out there now. Oh, he's great.

Yeah. And that he's taking on other comics and talking about the state of comedy when a lot of us are quiet about it. This is kind of cool that he doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. No, good for him. Well, he does give a fuck. That's why he's... Oh, yeah. That's, yeah. You know, he's... Yeah, I mean, I appreciate that. He doesn't care about pissing people off, obviously. Sean Patton's a similar way. He's not trying to make nice. What was I going to say? nice and what was I gonna say? Jezelnik in his last special had the great line, great observation that you

know he enjoys what he's doing and you know you're not paying me to be here you're paying me to travel and that's what it is because when I get out on stage it's fun. Everybody's having fun. It's great. But the travel aspect of it is awful. I've heard different versions of that. I feel like Alice Cooper said something a long time ago where I'm not getting paid for the hour I'm on stage.

I'm getting paid for the other 23 hours of my life that are out. I'm out in Omaha, Nebraska, when I don't want to be, or wherever you want. Or what it takes to get everything together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Meaning the joy is stepping on that stage. The joy is stage and not obviously checking in at the Courtyard Marriott. You get no joy

out of checking in at the Courtyard Marriott. Well, that's not true. Are they the cookie ones? That's not the cookie one. I like the cookie ones because it smells nice. Double tree. That's a double tree. It has the cookie. Get that cookie. Courtyard Marriott. If you have them not offer you the cookie, you're allowed to punch them in the mouth.

If they don't offer you the cookie, it says it on the little contract. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I've gone in several times. They haven't offered the cookie, but I don't want the cookie to begin with, so I don't make a fuss. But then when I walk away, I hear under their breath, Jew. Whoa.

Yeah. All the time. It's amazing how they guess. They know it. They probably, while I can't see, Wikipedia. My horns. Yeah. Is that a thing? Jews have tails? I know Jews have horns. Why are you asking me if that's a thing? Well, you're the anti-Semitic.

You fucking giant crap. You're the Jew hater. Jew hater. This whole America finds out. Why don't you come to your senses? I'm a Jew lover, David. I wouldn't be here if I wasn't. If you weren't a Jew lover.

We're not doing this. You know my joke about the having a license plate that says NGR LVR? Oh my god. And then people going, hey man, that's fu- well, huh. That's fucked up. Well, but I love them. Love them. Is there anything you'd like to plug? I want to make sure everybody knows where to go to see you, what to do. I'm doing one that, well, when was the one with this air?

I think May of 2027. So no, I got nothing coming up. I've been banking a lot of these. You'd laugh, but Marin does that. Marin does that like he's like This is for four months from now and you're like what the fuck? Why am I here? I honestly don't know when this will air, but I can tell you that We have been banking a lot so I'm going to guess What just aired? James Austin Johnson, I think.

Yeah, I think that was the last one. So this will be the sixth one after that, so a month and a half from now. Oh, cool. Well, the book I brought you, I'm super excited about, and then this other I did too during COVID. Let's say it because- Grommets.

So it's about skateboarding in the 80s. If you're watching, here it is. It's about two kids. It's based on Rick Remmender and I wrote it together. And it was just an idea. I was driving Melanie crazy during COVID because I was sitting at home for two years, and doing fucking Legos, and just trying to not go crazy.

So I was working on comic ideas, and I wrote another one with a buddy called Rifters, with Joe Troman, my buddy from Fallout Boy. We had an idea, and it's time travel cops. It's basically like time travel with the police procedural. It's like if you had Dick Wolf with time cops and that's Rifters. And then this one, I just woke up with the title, you know, grommets. Grommets is part of the skateboard.

It is, but it's also what kids are called that are into skateboarding. It's like you call them grommets or young surfers are called grommets. And so it was just- Specifically kids. Yeah, but it's- or somebody who's hardcore and learning it, you know, getting into the culture. Okay. And, you know, and is all about it and living that culture.

And I just had the name. I woke up with grommets in my brain and I called Rick Remmender and I said, we both had like, I worked at a skate shop in Sacramento in the 80s and I was terrible at it, but I loved it. That's how I met a lot of friends is through, the punk kids I met were through skateboarding and the metal kids I met. We both had had that experience and I said, let's just write a book. We just started taking all these real stories that we had.

In the first issue, my grandfather takes me to a skate park and I bail and I send my braces through my lip and that's based on a story that really happened. On the last page, I'm getting trashed. Are you writing about yourself or is this a character? The character's name Brian. It was Brian and Rick are the two main guys. And what's Brian's last name? Brian is the Hesher kid. It never comes up, but it's basically me. Can I say, is it Posen?

Sure. Okay. But it was really fun getting, you know, and I threw my grandfather in there. I threw my situation of, you know, I got kicked out and lived with my grandfather in there. I threw my situation of, I got kicked out and lived with my grandfather for a while and put that in there. And then- What about your back?

Living, it doesn't come up in the book, but- It should. I mean- That's a whole other story. It is, it is, but I mean, that's a, I've always been fascinated by that. Like what a tough situation that would be, especially at that age. For those of you, for the listeners there, for those of you who don't know,

how old were you at the time? 24. 24. Brian got a splinter in his thumb and it hurt a lot. I broke my back. I jumped off a lifeguard tower and lived in a hospital for three months and was told that if I had back surgery and they welded my back together, I'd probably never walk again. But if they just let it heal itself, I probably would walk again. So I said, let's try that. Yeah. Let's go with that option.

What's the point of surgery if you're never going to walk again? Who knows? Well, when the spinal cord injury clinic I was at, I was the only person there that was going to walk again at one point. Oh man, that's tough. So heartbreaking and just seeing these other kids' situations, because it was other people my age You know it was people that had been

You know shot in a drive-by and severed his spine and a bullet and mine was just dumb Dumb shit, you know me just drinking for 14 hours Yeah, and hanging out with these surfer buddies of mine and we jumped off this lifeguard tower they were both way more athletic than me and landed correctly. And I just wish we would have shot it because I would have had some good footage. Sure. That's got to be one of your biggest regrets. Pre-Jackass, yeah, totally.

So then the whole time I was in a hospital, because I just started standup and was getting in at the comedy store. Then I went home, went back to Sonoma and started live with my mom again, and worked in another record store and just had to sell my car and sell everything to pay the hospital bills that I had now at 24 years old. So it was brutal. But I- Just three months in a hospital bed,

where it was bedridden. But I got through it and I'm so glad- You did. Well, spoiler alert. But I would have been, I think I was set to fuck up even bigger if I hadn't had done that. Yeah.

Cause I was doing dumb shit. And by the time I met you, I was a jackass still, but I wasn't like a messy drunk the way I was when I was real young. Yeah. By 24, that was the last time. I don't think I've ever seen- You probably saw me drunk but never shitty, shitty drunk because I didn't want to do that

ever again. I was like, I'll never let that happen again where I'm just completely out of control of myself. Yeah. I don't, yeah. Yeah, you- Well, that- Lesson learned. Yeah. I don't, yeah. Yeah, you. Well, that- Lesson learned.

Yeah. Well, that's good. A lot of people don't learn that lesson, you know? You should consider putting that story in there. So Brian, oh, did you have anything to plug? No. Gromitz is coming out. Oh, okay.

It meant appearance. Trade paperback and then the Rifterters trade paperback will be image, both the books, which are great. If you ever come up with a comic idea, I recommend them because- I do actually. I have one now. They're creator owned and you get to, they don't own the IP. They don't take over.

If you sold this to a couple other companies, then it becomes their IP and you have to split it with them. This way, if I sell something with this, it's mine still. I have an idea. I don't know this world as well as you do. I mean, I know it somewhat, but of a guy, regular guy, or seemingly regular guy who is just a You know regular man, right so but I tell if you if you actually have a real idea

Let me fucking finish all right, but He One day he gets bitten by a radioactive man and becomes a Superman So he's a super so he's like a man by another man. Yes, a radioactive man and becomes a Superman. So he's like a man. He gets bitten by another man. He has a radioactive man. He goes to a museum exhibit. You know there's actually a book called Radioactive Man, but it's by-

H.G. Wells? I know the H.G. Wells one. No, it's the Simpsons comic book hero in the Simpsons world. So you came up with the Simpsons idea. I came up with the Simpsons. But wait, does he get bit? Does the radioactive man get bit by a radioactive? No, it's way better than their stupid idea.

Wow. It is so much better. I'll put a spin on it. He gets bitten by a radioactive homeless man. Yes, and now he has the powers of a radioactive homeless man. Yes. What are those powers? He can melt things over a stove.

He has the power to freeze things in a freezer. Right. Wow. He can run really fast on a treadmill. Images and industry. Here's my pitch. Here's my real pitch. All right. For real. A guy who can see into the future, but only five seconds into the future. Done. I feel like that's been done. Really? Yeah. I'm totally kidding.

Is that for real thing? You can see five seconds of the future? Yeah, it's pretty useless power, but. What would you? That'd be annoying as shit. You would just constantly be going like, watch out, move. No, up. No, yes.

There's a lot of that. That explains. Watch out. Oh, too late. You'd just be saying too late. It's too lot of that. That explains. What's that? Oh, too late. You've just been saying too late. It's too late, man. All right. Pitch it.

Right. I like to- You've got to get somebody to draw it. I like to close every episode with a question, a real question from my daughter. Um, and this one is for you, uh, Brian. Mm hmm. Hmm. I won't give you that one. Um, what's her favorite Mr.

Show sketch, your daughters. That'd be great. Um, okay. Brian Possein. Right here. Why do dragonflies like white so much? The racist? You're not answering me.

You're answering, you can answer it any way you see fit. It's a seven-year-old girl is asking you why do dragonflies like white so much? You can answer it in any way you see fit. Ask your mom. I mean, OK. All right, I don't want to be a hypocrite here, if that's your answer. No, I wish I had a real answer.

Now I feel bad. Well, don't feel bad But this child she has no other way of finding this out. She's not gonna listen to this. Okay Yeah, I mean maybe years from now, but tell me fucking Google it Right I've never said ask your mom to any you know, I think like you don't want to be that dad No, I'm not a lazy dad. Yeah, I don't I'm not said ask your mom to anything. You don't want to be that dad? No, I'm not a lazy dad. Yeah, I'm not an ask your mom thing.

I'm not really. Unless it's like, can I stay up and watch whatever? Ask your mom, she's okay with it. I'm okay with it. But. So you do say that. On occasion in that scenario. Specific, yeah.

But like if it's a, if it's, she really has gotten caught on the, the question, she really doesn't understand. If lava can melt all this stuff, why isn't it melting the volcano? That's a real thing to her. It makes no sense. I don't get it. She's not wrong. No, no. I'm not saying she is. I'm not even putting any judgment on it. I'm just saying it's a, it, she really, the logic has tripped her up and she hasn't found a satisfactory answer for herself. Like why, and I get that, you know, it's like, that's a good question, you know? And I, and I, she just turned eight, like last week. That's a fun stage. Yeah, that's good.

They all were. I had fun. Even when they kind of, like that first year. Yeah. I know. There was something about it where you're just like, when are you going to? Oh, yeah, you're just waiting for her.

I can talk. But then every level after that, and like I was saying, like even with the 15, there's something super fun about sharing your life with this person. I mean, I absolutely. Once you have somebody you can actually talk about movies, and it's so cool. And it's not something that I ever thought that my life was missing.

I need this, I need this other person that reflects, that's half of me. But to have that, it's so fulfilling. Things I get out of parenting that I never thought I would get out of it. We watched Human Centipede and we had a discussion afterwards. Right. And she wrote a paper up. She's in second grade.

They have to. Yeah. And illustrations. Yeah. And I'd ask her questions like, why do you think the scientists wanted to do this? And how do you think these folks felt? And it's a- Depends on who's, yeah.

Which part you are. Fear them. Yeah, let's think of it from both ends. As it were, that's not a pun. Literally, yeah, all three. No pun intended. Yeah, no, it's all, it's really fun. She's, you know what she's into now?

Completely on her own. I shouldn't say completely on her own because obviously I do this, but into now? Completely on her own. I shouldn't say completely on her own because obviously I do this, but she came to it on her own, collecting baseball cards. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, it's great. It's really cool. How did she find that on her own?

Well, I collect baseball cards and I don't know, I can't remember. It wasn't, it's only been about four or five months, but I guess maybe. Oh, I know what it was. I know what it was. I. She had seen me opening packs. Can I open one? And they would ask me about the cards and they're, you know, some of the cards of

refractors and summer. And so they be quoting that something you still collect. You still I do. Yeah. Yeah special cards. And that's something you still collect. You still. I do, yeah. Yeah, wow. And I like this and da da da. And it was less about the players, but then there are a handful of players she'd know because I watch baseball all the time.

And I took her to a single A Mets team called the Cyclones out in Coney Island. She was into that and mostly about the, I mean, almost all of it was about the fun surrounding the game, but not the other game. But there's players, he's a batter, he's a pitcher. Via the cards, it's gotten more into the idea baseball. That's cool.

Yeah. I got her some, you know, top series one, series two, which are like on the cheap, getting kids into collecting stuff and she rips open packs. I'm like, dad, I got a special one. Is this a sleeve or no sleeve? Because I got penny sleeves. Right, right, right. That sleeve goes in a sleeve. Cool. Yeah, it's really cool. My guy's really into vinyl now, but he's always been a collector. All right, we're done. We're done. Cool.

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