Senses Working Overtime with David Cross - Janeane Garofalo

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

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This is a head gum podcast. I'm offering you either seat. You can sit on the couch or the... What do you prefer? What do you prefer? I don't care. I've only done one of these so the couch was nice but I haven't sat in chair, but it's up to you. I've, when I offered John, Johnathan Hodgman, John Hodgman, yesterday he said he enjoys a swivel chair, so we took a seat. It was good enough of Hodg. All right. Good enough for me. Thank you for doing this.

Oh, thanks for having me. Are you a podcast person? I've done people's podcasts, so I don I don't have one it's not a civic obligation David. That's where you're wrong. I this is much like jury duty I got something in the mail and it said I it was my time to do a podcast and I you know went through you can only turn it down twice right yeah you turned that twice and I said I'm gonna be in Europe and I can't do it And so that was one and then

I said I'm gonna be in Australia and I can't do it and then they said well you can zoom it and so I Find zooming unsatisfying. I find it unsatisfying to listen to and look at I agree spade in I had a That's why I wanted to do these things in person. Oh, no, no, I understand. It's just much different. That I had a fake podcast, Arden Mirren and I, pretended we had a podcast called Pardon My Tangent.

Yeah. And so now I've taken it once up. Now I have a fake podcast called Pardon My Tangent and there's been a murder. Yes. But I've heard that. Look at that Karen Kilgera. She's done pretty good with the murder.

Oh, you can, that's why I'm here. I mean, it's like I can't, I don't wanna look at gift tourists in the gaping asshole, but I think I think, I mean, this is what to do now. I will say this. I have come around on podcasts because when I had to do press for the special

that I shop at the Tour tours canceled due to COVID. And I did, I'm from the future and I had to go promote that. And, you know, back in the day, it was all, you do a couple talk shows and then you do some kind of, you know, AOL live type thing and then a bunch of phoneers and serious radio. Did you share the four seasons? Yeah, you know, you do all that stuff. And those, most of those went away. And it was podcasts for the first time. I went out and I did a bunch of podcasts

and I really, really enjoyed it. And I, I thought it was, whether it was somebody I knew or somebody like yourself that I've known for decades or just somebody they're like oh this is a pretty popular podcast with you know 18 to 32-year-old Persians and they're like oh great all right and I don't know if you're allowed to say Persian anymore why would happen. I don't know if parts you're allowed to say first anymore. Why would happen? I don't know. I just read some somewhere that Patricia Arquette was uncomfortable saying that in true romance.

Oh, is it true? Oh, I didn't know that. I don't know. What's the what's the preferred? Um, I don't know. I could be wrong about that. Or maybe she was just uncomfortable. Saying that I don't know. Maybe she has a speech impediment and that's a word that's a dream of consciousness. No, she said it during the performance. She said it in the film and it sounded fine. Oh, I don't know. Well, I apologize if anybody took offense to that.

I can't do it. This has already been canceled, but I find that I do enjoy some podcasts. And also you tend to be a guest on podcast so much. It's like having podcasts, but I feel there's many, many podcasts. If I had something very interesting to bring to the table, I might rethink that, but I don't. And I don't want to create content for the sake of creating content.

And I also feel the more you put yourself out there, the more you give people a reason to dislike you. They'll phrase you your own worst critic. It's not true, David, as it happens. I say I've said that a million times. And I just feel like who's your worst critic? Oh, there's many of them. There's there are a couple holdovers from the Iraq, kerfuffle, who are still at it. But the, I'm still at it. Still at it. But the,

they're blood pressure as in, well they've made them succumbed. They've aged with me, you know, you think they, and they were older than me then. So, but they're still, they're still at it. Just every morning they're waking up going,

God damn, Johnny, Johnny, it's like saying Susquehanna had company. I mean, Susquehanna had company. Slowly mean, Susquehanna had company. Slowly, I turn. But I also, some podcasts,

there has been times intermittently where I don't understand what we're doing here. You know what I mean? There seems to be no there there, there seems to be, and then it goes on and on and on. And I don't even know what could be edited together. And then there's times when it's done live, which is a very long process. That's there's times when it's done live,

which is a very long process. That's a lot to ask of people, especially, if there's too many guests on, sometimes live. And that's a show, like at that time. There was an existing podcast that is done live, it's a Moon Tower Festival, what had it. And too many guests, I'll try to talk over to other or anything like that.

And sometimes we are very interesting I'm not a naysayer about podcasts in general, but I do think like anything. It's case by case but people Love them. Yes, they do and I watched the smart list Netflix series and Very and I had not listened to it before but I knew I would like to see those guys do it. And it was just as they themselves are just as enjoyable. And you also there being authentic. You see their relationship. And I've always been a huge will, aren't it?

Jason Bateman fan. And of course, Sean Hayes, I like him very much too. And I don't. Is it something that Sean is always the afterthought? I didn't know what I was gonna say is I don't know him personally. I like him. I've met him a couple of times. He's awesome.

He's very cool. I've had dinner with those guys a bunch. And, but it's always Jason and Will come. And after thought, wasn't an afterthought in any way. It's just Jason and Will I have been luckystand. Wasn't an astronaut in any way. It's just Jason and Will I have been lucky enough to have met. And I did actually, Sean Hayes and he would probably never remember this many years ago. We did a sketch on a pen and tell a short loop pen and teller show together.

And I accidentally shot him in the eye with an air gun. And I was really. Oh man. Well they had a thing and they said. and I accidentally shot him in the eye with an air gun. Peace. And the, I was like, What? Really? Oh man. Well, they had a thing and they said, That's so severe. Just pull the trigger.

And I guess the puff of air hit his eye very hard. Oh, it's out. And it's just pre-rust. This, yes, and let's not have to want to drag. I feel a lot of compassion for everybody involved, but I do feel that Alec Baldwin is really being raked over the colds. And soon unnecessarily in New York Post,

as usual delights in every second of it. And I do feel that it must have taken a huge toll on everybody involved but I do feel there, he is not ultimately the one responsible for whatever happened. Absolutely. And it's odd that it, you know, I have sympathy and for him and he's a person I don't,

I never had ever. Well, I actually always like to immigrate deal too. He's always been very, very nice to me. And it's not one of the things like, well, he's nice to me. But he's, I've seen him, when he hosted SNL when I was on, that was one of the greatest times I ever had doing anything. He couldn't have been funny or couldn't have been better at it. And just a joy.

And then I did a movie with him called Thickest Thieves. And again, incredibly nice to me and funny and fun. Well, that's great. I've heard the opposite from people who've worked with us. Well, that's one of those things where you, we all could probably find people who will say that about us. I don't, you know what I mean?

It's I, and again, I don't like that kind of thing. Like, I don't care what this person does. He's nice to me. I don't believe in that. I don't like that kind of thing. Like, I don't care what this person does. He's nice to me. I don't believe in that. I don't have that feeling. What I'm saying is is for this rust situation, unbelievably, I'm with you. Yes, awful.

And I don't, yeah, I don't think he's cool. I'm gonna say him be nice when we use on Larry Sanders. Very kind, nice, very talented. And that's my experience with him. And also he's got about 750 new children all under the age of seven. His wife seems very fertile. Yeah, well, they're orthodox Jews. So apparently, well, something or like the Duggers in that you just add another religious extremist, any kind of religious family, populate, populate, populate. Populate, exactly. A fruitful and multiplied.

Looms be damned. Quality of life issues be damned. But I do feel like the stress that has affected anyone involved with this over the last number of years, and it's not over. The lawsuits will keep coming. And because I'm sure there's plenty of craven people who think there's money to be made off this thing. Sure. Do it. Absolutely.

But moving on from that topic. Yeah. Go ahead. You shot your podcast. You shot your podcast. It is. It is. It is. Janine Wester.

Yes, dear. What is actually I'll start off with this, which I've been asking everybody. Oh, have we started? It started. Oh, yeah, we I've been asking everybody. Have we started? It started. Oh, yeah, it started when we walked in. I was talking in the mic just in case. I figure we started. Tell everybody about the first time we met.

Well, this is my recollection of it. I met you through either Laura Kylinger or the stand-up scene, not positive which one or the cave, which one, but you were still at Emerson, I was still at Providence College. You had just been asked to leave Emerson. Shortly before we met, I thought it's because you were trying to steal a mailbox, but you told me fairly recently, that's not what it was about. No, well, you're conflating a couple things. It wasn't a mailbox, it was a USA Today newspaper machine, which we actually got very close to like a block away from the dorm, then the cops came, and then we left it there.

This is heavy as shit, man. The fuck those things are heavy. And then they left and we waited half an hour and just went back and got it and finished the walk up. Because it was essential to have that in your home, you really want, you're gonna use it for like shelving or storage space. Well, I wanted to save the money that each issue of the paper cost.

But if it's in your apartment, you're not getting new issues. You only have the issues that I found out. I found that out later. You're very clever. I thought it would just figure it out on the roof. I feel you would know that. You would be a drunk. I presume.

Oh, for the entire 80s. Right. But I was saying, I find it difficult to believe in you. And I you think that, boy, am I say there's going to be new papers every day in this contraption that I've now taken, like a magical. And I'll say so much money. Oh, I expected somebody to, they would say, oh, the newspaper box, where did it go? And then they would consult the tracker and then they go, oh, it's at, oh, it's a David's place.

It's at 385 feet in the street. All the papers there. Yeah. Not all the papers, but the papers for the machine would go in there. And then when the guy left, or woman, whoever it is, I'm here for the papers. Wake up, you sleep so late, you use all use guys

to sleep in so late, because I don't get it with the college kids anymore. Listen, in my day, you didn't sleep past 5 a.m. You'd make an egg sandwich, you'd eat a brick of cheese, and you'd go to work and you wouldn't complain. That's still the same. You get your donkey on the donkey donuts. Oh, yes, because we were in Boston.

Yes, you get your donkey. Yeah, yes, because we were lost. Yes, you don't you don't key Yeah, I think it was through Laura. I want to know Laura. I think and then Yep, I'm one of the greats and and then of course just the continuing in the scene right That you helped put an I'd philosophy to. I did, that's giving me too much credit. That's not very kind when people say that, but I didn't. It, Janine, you did.

You continued to do it when you went to LA. You're not getting an award, you're not getting an award. I don't know, I'm just saying that I... But it's true. I don't know. It's true. It mean, just stop. It's true. It is absolutely true.

And if enough of us, meaning all of us, say it. Oh, but there's nothing more powerful than a fixed idea. People in there, and even if it's an impact. It's an impact. A fixed idea is what you're demonstrating. You're demonstrating a fixed idea that you had. How dare you. How dare you accuse me of having a fixed idea

after I have just said that you have a fixed idea. Anyway, but there's another part, a thing that I'm not quite sure of like when you came to Los Angeles for the Ben Stiller show. Now I think we had started and did I tell Judd about you and then Judd read a sample? Yes, I had, I was hanging out with you. I'd come out to LA.

You had moved out there. I think you were... What are you doing? Something with Dennis Miller or something at that point? Or... I did stand upon his show. I might have done a failed pilot with him or something. I don't recall.

But Jimmy Miller, his brother, was helping me. I think that maybe that's what I'm thinking of, but you would just, a Bint LA and things would go really well for you. And I came out to, I mean, crash at your place and just, you know, hang out and- And the earthquake.

For the earthquake. For the- For the Whittier earthquake, that's right. Which you ran past me. I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I little more mid then. I don't know. But I Remember vividly that my dream was that people were shaking the couch and I was laughing and I was like, haha, and I kind of woke up laughing until you were ran like oh, and then I was, oh, hey, what? And then it was kind of over fairly quickly. But it was what I learned later was a rolling earthquake,

which was fun. And then I remember thinking and believing for a long time, earthquakes are fun. Until the Northridge, which was, not one of the scariest, most awful of setting things. After a night at Luna Park, and I was still, it was a Sunday night at Luna Park, with Bethel Piusing, and I was still,

I was just had rolled in late night and toxicated, had just, I think just laid on the floor to watch TV or something, and I was like, oh, here we go, but I was very pleased that I was still dressed. And the very next day day though, that morning, I had to leave to fly to, and there were still flights leaving. Oh, God, you're so lucky.

You didn't have to go through all the aftershocks. Well, as it, listen to this though. And this is going to sound exaggerated. It is, it is true. As I walked outside to go to the airport, my car had been stolen that night, just coincidentally, my Geo Metro. And maybe you remember this, but when the cops found it, a police officer called and said, we think we found your car.

It's a number of cassettes. Can you identify? He said, we think we found your car. It stinks of patchouli. It stinks of patchouli. Of cassettes. Can you identify? He said mind bomb, VV. 10,000 manias. And it was script to the bridge. Like he was reading it. But when he said mind bomb, VV. From the, from the,

I like that's my, that's my car. It's my car. And it had been just like, apparently the Geometra was off frequently and easy to steal car. I had just got it had been just like, apparently the Geometra was off of frequently an easy to steal car. I just got it, but that was one of the things. So then I, I had my car stolen in LA too. Right?

I'm Franklin Wright behind Lapu Bill. It happens all the time, mugged in car stolen. It's just, it's now these days here, like many of you, I've been hit by bike thrice fold. Yes, you get hit by bike all the time in New York now. Here I, uh, twice, but, um, no, I, I messed up a finger,

but nothing major. Well, it's just merely annoying, uh, but it happens all the time and it's quite dangerous because the bike is not stopping. The bikes are not stopping. Yeah, and now you got the e-bikes in the 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th. You can't hear them and they go in,

it's 25 miles an hour. I know. Listen, Katie, hear them. Listen, last, I can't hear them and they go into 25 miles an hour. I know. Listen, Katie, hear them. Listen, last, I don't know why I'm still doing an accent. Last, the November before last, I got hit by a car, which was exciting. Oh, I didn't know that. It was fresh.

Did I know that? Novel unexpected. I don't know. But getting hit by bike is just, is really irritating, but I feel that getting hit by a car means something. Like getting hit by a bike. It's kind of the difference between us. It's like an episode of On Order happens every day.

Yeah, to everyone. I would say that the Northridge earthquake was one of the loudest things I've ever heard. It sounded like a train. It was creaking and screeching and metal on metal and that combined with all the transformers exploding and stuff. Which brings me to this question because the name of the podcast is senses working over time.

What is TC? Yeah, I couldn't afford the rights of the music, but I think when they have rivers do the music. Oh, so yeah What is the loudest thing you've ever heard? gosh The loudest thing I Wasn't prepared for some reason for that the the herd, because I thought it was going to be like best worst you've ever heard. I can do that.

I can do that. I just, I can do that. It's fine. And we can sniff around and know worries. I don't, I don't, this isn't about surprising. No, no, I wasn't that. It's just for some reason in my mind, I had the questions might be involving what's best or worst thing you've ever heard.

But loudest thing I've ever heard, gosh, there's probably been several things but that earthquake was quite loud, but oh, manhole cover exploding right outside where I live in New York was unbelievably loud and jarring. And it was at 5 or 6 in the morning and Pete and I happened to be awake

because we do that and I was making a beat at necklace. And I keep forgetting your 82. I mean, well, beads are for all. They're the young, the old. I think just the young and just the old. And this was I was younger than. I was actually only like 42 making that when this happened, but it was and then not only that, but it hit a window and then a must of bounce and then hit the street again.

So it was in a quiet actually. Wait, is this pre 9-11 or post 9-11? This is, I think, gosh, I don't remember. If I was 42, let's see in 2001. So pre 9-11? Uh, probably right around there. But I mean, everything after 9-11, all the little things like that were just completely ramped up for years.

Right. But this would have been in any context. Right. Sure. This would have been in any context. Right, sure. Um, I, and I like to just stick with 1911, 911, 1973 when Salvador R&D was assassinated and, uh, Gusto Pinochet was installed with the help of the CIA. That never forget. What about 711 in London? 711. Uh, oh, they have 711?

Uh, they do, but that's not what I'm talking about. They have a seven, 11 is when there was a terrorist attack. Oh, right. In London. I didn't know they called it seven, 11. It seems like they would call it 11, seven. Oh, because they do it backwards. Yeah, it was on, it was on, it was, yeah.

I see, it is already backwards. I don't know. You don't know, do you? You don't know. You don't know. Go look it up. Look it up. And I also say like we're being glib. We're not being glib about this.

I still feel terrible about the queen, but she got into a deathbed. That is her first and last. Don't get into a deathbed. I say this all the time. Yeah. There's so many mattresses now, David. Purple.

They come in boxes, Casper. They need to get into a death bed because, look, if it's comfortable, it's comfortable. And you know, it's, this is a lady who is a, well, never know. Queen gets into a death bed. She was around for so long.

Yeah. It was, nobody saw it coming. It was just so sudden. No, no, no, no. It's so sudden. It's so huge. At least of all Charles. Yeah.

Who, something? And that Megan, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no brought it up. And did you see any of it or you just heard it and then found out later? It became clear. We rushed to the window and it became clear right after that. And the dogs got very upset. And in looking at what happened and then a few people who were you, you heard the crack and then you could see a manhole cover that was there where I can't do sound like when you spin a crack and then you could see a manhole cover that was there where I can't do the sound of that. Like when you spin a quarter and it takes a couple of things. I just thought it down because it's so heavy. But it was very, very hot and the steam obviously was accruing underneath it and just that's crazy that there was be the pressure would build

up enough to. It happens. I mean, whenever I see steam coming out of his mental cover I I am a little wary all time because eventually it's just physics. I guess is it physics? It that kind of pressure it will just but so should they have something to alleviate their pressure? So what I do they are polls in the manhole cover, but I guess there might have been Perhaps a fire Also adding to it in the subway system. I'm just speculating. Yeah. Yeah. Can you imagine if you were standing on that? I know thank God it was like five Five ish finkle in the morning about five in the morning or

Around that area because that and I'm sure it has happened where people have been Gravely injured if not fatally injured by that very thing where people have been gravely injured, if not fatally injured, by that very thing. Yeah, that's scary. And yet another reason for people to stay away from New York City and the hellscape has become. You're just saying that because you wanted all to yourself. No, I'm saying that because I only watch Fox News.

Oh, right. And they will show flooding footage over at the same footage over and again, over again, so that your parents will be alarmed on your behalf, even though it's nowhere. And I was shocked at what that Black Lives Matter was responsible for the flooding and for the torrential rains. Well, Fox, that says it, and that weather machine. Yeah, yeah. The Jews, the Jews control the weather.

Pelosi. And that weather machine. Yeah, yeah, the Jews the Jews control the way. Pelosi Okay, so you were prepared to answer this so what is the Best thing you've ever heard. Okay, well, I the answer to that Am I allowed to elaborate as to why? Of course, okay, it has to do with two different pieces of music, okay. And why? The first one is when I arrived at Providence College, unfortunately, a day early, for orientation, because I lived far from Providence College, and most of the kids who went to Providence College lived near, so they were going to arrive day of orientation. So I knew it would come from Houston.

Texas, yeah. And... Take off. ...on... ... Tejas unfortunately. And so my dad and brother dropped me off and then they left and my stuff had not arrived. UPS, but I was in the dorm. There was a handful of other kids, but basically and I already sensed I've made a big mistake coming to proud of the scholarship, which I did.

It was not right. Had you scouted it or anything before? No, it was the only causes except to me I had to go and I Slept on a bunk with no sheets and none of this is a hardship. That's that's fine But is that kind of sense of on we you have that feeling of I feel kind of lonely? I feel a little scared. I don't know what's coming. And it's a big deal.

You are now an adult, you're out of home. Right, and that's, there's things to be pleased about with that too. I'm not sentimental about my dad brother, you know, I was looking forward to. I totally, I think everybody can relate to that feeling of like, it's a new chapter. Right. It's exciting.

It's, you know, a little daunting and it's exciting, it's a little daunting and it's all those things. But luckily I did have that I was, because in most days you could carry quite a bit, I had in the suitcase on the plane that that, and in that like a radio thing, a clock radio that I could plug in. I know what a radio.

And well for younger viewers I was going to say listeners, I found WBRU, Brown University station. And a song, the first song that came out was numbers with wings by the bongos. And it's what's considered back then college radio, then was indie music and then alternative music, but you know, left of the dial. And it just, if you're open to it, if you have taste, I'd like to think, you hear music that's different than what the main should that you, when you're growing up in the suburbs, whatever you tend to back in those days of terrestrial radio, you are told. Now that it started to change a little bit with MTV, because they didn't have a lot of

content, so they had a lot of left-of-center videos back then. And I started hearing and seeing like I like this whatever this different thing is I like it and all the programming on that night all night long I One song after the other after the other is like this is great. This is great. This is great. This is changing me and luckily great this is changing me. And luckily in Rhode Island and Boston at that time, there was no end of venues for all of these bands that you were hearing. A mate I have said, and I think about it every once in a while, how insanely lucky I was to go from the Atlanta Athens music scene.

Which is good, the Athens music scene. The music scene has always traditionally been quite good at the city. Yeah, inside of but but I mean to go from there to Boston. Oh, you're saying that you want to be. I've just been amazingly lucky and then and then going to LA for that music that was coming out then and then going to New York for you know, Stro stroke to AES. Right. You know, well, all of that. And there's always time, good music is always there. It's always there.

I just didn't know when I was younger to go to the left of the dial, to look for it. And I didn't know Drew University, because I, in New Jersey where I mainly grew up before I went to Texas. My neighborhood, could you say, Tayhoss, please? Tayhoss, my neighborhood sort of a butted drew university. I'm sure they had a radio station. I didn't know in my clock radio to look for it. And my older siblings were very much into whatever was

the, the albums everybody's older siblings had, right? That's not blanket bad. You know, there's certainly, that's fine things within that. But there's something about if you if you're ear If it catches your ear and so it's all not about the lyrics to it's about the lyrics right the attitude is completely different There's there's more there's more thought put it into it. It's just different. Well, it also speaks to Something different. I mean, it's supposed to def leopard and Brian Adam which I'll tell you I love photograph and I'm not knocking that at all. And they seem nice. They kept the drummer the one I'm got. But so anyway

that opened up something within me that that night. And I was I'm sorry to interrupt here. Are you you're not denigrating Metallica for ditching the dead guy? No. Okay. Why are you dragging Metallica into this? Because you said that the girl in her guy was nice. That was very nice to my dog once.

I don't know, I was like the deaf leopard guys. They seem nice. They waiting for that drummer with them. Yeah. But Metallica moved on after their hey bassist to each his own okay to each their own I thought you were casting I didn't say anything about Metallica so save your letters to be your soul letters don't write in I like Metallica they are very talented good I like them

yeah me too any who's all so that, because then I had basically no friends, it didn't work out for me at Provinc's college at all. But what did work out was seeing these bands, meaning communities through those bands that you could see in these live venues. And also the connection of comedy too. That was, and I'm very grateful for it because of how miserable it was, how badly it went from me at college.

And then the summer before my senior year, I was in summerville. And I wanted to be there doing open mice and stuff, because I had started doing stand-up my junior year. And I was in Somerville with about three or four other roommates, sleeping on a floor, and again, just really, I'd been fired from the BU bookstore. I'd been fired from... For what?

Oh, just being stupid. I don't know. Just, I got to get far. No, I'm very unintelligent in a lot of ways. I can't seem to follow simple rules. Like I'm not a quick learner in any way. Whatever it is, I get got fired a lot. I'm not proud of that.

But, and I was just up, lone feeling bad. And on WFNX, a song by a band called the Blue Nile, which I had not heard of prior to that Scottish band and the song Tensil Town of the Rain to this day that moves me. That song, that night, it's just one of those things that, at night when it's like 4 a.m. You're just, you can't, it feels wrong. It feels something feels bad. This song, again through a clock radio,

was made me just feel like that, just it just lifted my spirit. It just was beautiful. It almost brought tears to my eyes and I've been a sense of the life long blue nile fan and I can still hear that song today, Tensil Town on the Rain, and feel the exact same way. And that again is the beauty of music like that or anything outside the norm. And it's always shocking to me when people are not moved by music really one way or the other.

Like it's not a hero there today. That one does not compute with me, but there are plenty of people who are like... Yeah, it's just one of those things. I'd be literally saying, I don't like music. Or there hasn't been any good music since. But that's a different thing. But there's a lot of people who are not moved by music when they're there for their taste in music to me is like, I cannot

understand this. And you're paying money to see this person live. They're not even really singing that much. The lyrics are not clever. I don't understand what's moving you about this music or why you care so little about what goes in your ear in that way. But anyway, that was a very long-winded answer for that one. No, no, that's, I appreciate it.

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when what was her name, Saxon Brown, was in my acting class at the Northside High School in Atlanta. We had been rehearsing or something and she drove me home and we were like in my apartment building. It was on, again,, again, it was, I think WRIS, Georgia State Radio, college radio, where I, you know, that in Georgia Tech, WRISK got all my music, you know, cool music stuff from. And I was like, she didn't, she wasn't really listening, I was like, stop, stop, don't turn off the car, hang on. And I, you know, it's a long song, but I was like,

what the fuck? I have to know who this is. I have to know what this is. And then ultimately later, I saw her in live in Atlanta at the Peachtree Playhouse. And I would put it as one of the five things that changed my life, that sent it into a different direction opening the ideas of what can, it can't be done on stage and what a performance is and just amazing, I'll never forget it and I had

severe allergies and it was in the summer and I was at the top of the The peach replay house. I don't even know if it's there anymore, but was an old theater turn of the century and No air conditioning or anything in Atlanta in the summer and I was a But it was just like dripping, you know, I was like this little time. And I really wanted to leave. But I couldn't. It was so, I mean, mesmerizing and brilliant. So you were in the theater. It was hot. You had to have these. That's all. Just that it was an amazing, just I was so miserable physically. But it made it changed that.

so miserable physically. But it made it change that. The sounds and the, what they changed. What she was doing was I'd never seen anything. I, not even that I hadn't seen anything. I just said, I didn't occur to me that you could do. Like she had this one thing. So you know those little, they're kind of like mylar strips and you, they'll be like on a balloon

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it was just like, what the, that's brilliant. And it was something that it wasn't like technology. I was like, oh yeah, that's that thing on the, when you get a greeting card and you open it up and it goes, I love you. And, and I was like, oh my God, that's brilliant. Know what a cool thing to do.

And there was lots of that in our show. And I wanted to go back and I apologize for jumping so far back, but I don't want to clarify something. It was about, because we, the earthquake sent us off this other direction, but so I had come out to LA to hang out with you and just to CLA and get a feel for the comedy scene and all that. And just also to hang out and visit my friend. And you and me and Ben Stiller went to the snake pit, which was the only... Right.

And I had such an attitude about LA. I was like, fuck, this place. I hate it. And I... The snake pit was the only, it was on Melrose. It was the only bar that was not a douche bar, right? Which was not true. That, because there was bars that are not... That you could walk to.

Oh, that you could walk to, for sure. No, no, no, of course. You want to walk to the coach and horses, which you could. Oh, or the... I don't think we knew about the coach. And I survived my bike to the Formosa with Miss Pam Seagull, now Pamela Adlon, because of drunk driving issues.

So drunk, rider bike, drunk, drunks, drunks, drunk bikers, drunk bikes. But, uh, yeah, that I didn't love the snake pit, but it was literally one block from where I was staying. Yes, I, that, I didn't love the snake pit, but it was literally one block from where I was standing. Yes, I should clarify that in as far as walking. It was the only, because Melrose was chock full of bars and clubby things, and it was the only one that felt like a real bar.

And I was very much my you know annoying East Coast attitude But we so I hung out with you and Ben and then and we had a you know good time and had some drinks and stuff and then and then When you were on the stilliller Show and I was in Boston, pretty miserable and really at my kind of the end of my rope of like I was just sick of being poor. And it was my own because I just didn't, you know, I was just working, doing stand-up and getting, you know, monies under the table and I lived with four other guys.

Were you ever at that apartment? The one that Brian Fraser called the loser museum? I'm not sure. I mean, I had been at your apartment. It was the last one I lived in. It was in, or not the last one, second or last one. You lived with Waterman and Carl Perry. Yes.

Yes, I was there because you remember what happened with Carl Perry said, Oh my God, that's right. To me, it was nice. Well, you stopped talking. Oh, no, I went and got a knife. I slept with a knife. Right, he was very upset with me.

Well, it was also that weird kind of like his eyes were kind of up in the back of the head and it was a guttural like, what just shocked the fuck? It was also that that weird kind of like his eyes were kind of up in the back of the bed and terrifying situation. It was a guttural like what just shot the fuck you know like oh my god. I have mentioned that I am pretty Chad. I mean that that happens has happened. My friends that was in high school gym here would say I will pay you $5 if you stop talking right now. It's not all. But the Christian Christian. I wasn't talking at that time. That uh... christian or water man that i think it was people had gone to bed but i don't i think we don't worry what it was pretty much it was crazy and yes is the answer i have been to that uh...

oh no you know what that's not uh... i wouldn't call it a looser museum no that is not the apartment i was thinking okay and i haven't been to the one with uh... bob wilson madgram myself uh... I was thinking, okay, no, then I haven't been. It was the one with Bob Wilson, Matt Graham, myself, and then I can't remember who else was in the corner. It was in the projects in Kendall Square, all the records. I don't believe that I'd been to the Kendall Square one.

So anyway, so I was, I was, at the end of your tether. Yes, and then you said there's an opportunity for a to staff as a writer on the Ben Stiller show. And I was also very, and I regret this, and I'm embarrassed by it, but my attitude was so annoying and obnoxious with this idea of like, I don't know,, TV, parody, that's not my bag man. I'm about telling the truth or, you know, I'm doing a,

except for SC TV, which you would never bad mouth SC TV. No, I wouldn't. And also I was like, it was just obnoxious and, and you know, like, what about, you know, I was like 20. It was just a young person thing. It was just a young person thing. As a young person's thing. Yes, I was, all I was missing was a clovesick or at an array and I, you know, but I was like,

I don't know, man, and of course, who was I fucking kidding? I was, it was the greatest opportunity that I ever had and my I'm here now because of that, it all extends from that. So I wrote some, I threw some cross-comedy sketches in a packet, sent them to you. You gave them to Ben and Judd, and then next thing I knew, I was like, getting flown to, no, they didn't pay for that.

No, I know, but it was a cross-country. I don't cross-country. I actually drove from Texas to Los Angeles too, but I really admire that you do that because that's actually quite frightening. And I remember thinking that at the time, like, can you just be here now? You know what I mean?

Yeah, it was. Yeah, but everything's gotta change. You've gotta get here on your own and then we're just gonna start. Yeah. And I was like, I feel like I wouldn't have had the the Hutzbeta do that back then. I would have been so anxiety ridden

that I was to no thanks. I mean, I was, but I was really, I mean, I was, it was also, it was also October in Boston. So, the season was, we're, it was starting to get colder. I know what the winter's like in Boston. We didn't have heat.

It's like, you know, open the oven door and crank up the heat and just like sitting in two pairs of socks and two pairs of sweats. I'm like, I could do this again because of this idea of purity with cross-comedy, my sketch group that's, you know, and it was, you know, a ridiculous backwards, regressive way of thinking, but I ended, so I flew out and then Judd gave me like an extra day off or something so that I left everything in Boston, like an extra day off or something so that I left everything in Boston, flew out, started working on the show, and then had, I think it was five days to fly back to Boston, get my car, load it up with whatever outfit my car gave everything else away, and literally just my Chevy Malibu that my grandmom gave me, that was her old old car and I drove it in three and a half days from Boston,

Dordador to LA, three and a half days, got back into work. I met, I'm going to forget his name. It's Bob O. George Burns. No, no, it's Bob O. O. Can Derve. Oh, okay, because George Burns's office was below the offices in Oh, the man called me. We'd go there every day still. Do you remember Rip Taylor being on the show? And now we are. I do. But you're, you're thinking of Bob, Bob, Bob, oh, oh, yeah, I get it wrong every time. I don't know what happened.

I mean, he seemed really funny. Um, Bob, he went, he went to brother. He billowed an Odin Odin Oakland, dirt Oakland door, Oakland door, dirt back, dirt back dirt. Okay, I'm confusing dirt back to. My friend, Domer, um, no, graphic novel. Uh, he was a Saul, sorry.

Like a song. Saul, Saul Goldman, Saul, Saul on better, better call Saul, that guy, right? Yeah, best call Saul, best. SAU, SAU, SAU, on better, better call, SAU, that guy, right? Yeah, best call, SAU. Best, best call, SAU. Best be calling, SAU. It'll be a hoover. And, yeah, that guy, he was a, uh, always liked him. Yeah, he's a good, he's a good, he went good, he went good.

He went good at it. He went to, yeah. But I think he was a good, he was a good, he think too. Nobody ever heard from him again. A Bob Oden Kirk, that's his name. No. No. Uh, uhkirk, that's his name. No. No. No. Nicole, look up. Yeah. Who's the guy that we all hold on? We all hung out with yet so much potential.

I remember it was the kind of thing where, and I still had no money, I still have this kind of as my mother-in-law calls poverty mentality because I grew up really poor and I was poor no money. I still have this kind of as my mother-in-law calls poverty mentality because I grew up really poor and I was poor, but I was poor because of me. I'm not saying, you know, not when I was a kid, obviously, but later. You know, and I'd go home, I'd have my backpack and before I'd go home, I'd be stocking up water

and the pack services. Paper plates. Let me get all my paper plates. Absolutely. I mean, toilet paper, put it in there. Yeah, paper plates. Let me get all my paper plates. Absolutely. I mean, toilet paper, put it in there, put it in there. But that's the beauty of how to back. For years, I did that. It is still hard for me to resist a union home in the bell house.

Wagon, we have to say it. But it is just this instinct of, it's there. You know, you want to know what I did? Or bounty paper towels. Listen, I did. It was one of those festivals, it was in L.A. and it was either fuck you half-fest or fun-fun-fun.

The ride, the which one? Was it the L.A. ride, the one downtown? No, no, no, no. This is a long time ago. And I know I was living there because I had a car or I was maybe shooting a rest at or something, but I was staying there. But I was in the production office getting my paycheck and they had a, it was the last

night and they had a big, big thing of snacks, like the individual snacks. I'm talking like, you know, 75, like a big thing. And I was like, what are you guys gonna do with those snacks? And they're like, cause they were all packing stuff up. And they're like, oh, we're probably just gonna get rid of them.

I was like, oh, I'll take them. And I put them all in a black trash bag. I have money at this point. And I said, it's in my car. It was in my car for a fucking month. And I would just drive. And if I hadn't done a set, and I would just grab some freedom

I was like don't throw them away. I'll take them. Sometimes when you're somewhere on location, the bottled water is essential. So from craft service and they have it and there is reusable water too, but if they have it, it's like in the, if you're staying at a hotel or something, the cost on principle I can't bear. Absolutely. Well, what was the thing when we were working on in a, in a, not tell whatever white, white sands in New Mexico, we worked on that pilot. Oh, I thought the one in Wilmington, Wilmington, Delaware, I'm confused.

No, wasn't white sand. Was it, was it, was it, I was talking about beat the rain. Yeah. That, that pilot beat the rain. Yeah. That pilot beat the rain? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, I think that was Wilmington Delaware. I could be wrong.

Oh my God, I thought it, well, that's completely wrong. No, you may be right. I often have... I mean, one's a desert and one's a... I made it plan it. I'm using two things, but you and I have done more than one pilot together that is not. Yeah, we've done plenty of that stuff.

But this, so I think, tell about, you're thinking of the other one. I'm thinking of a different one. So the one in the desert. Yeah, it was Beat the Rain. Beat the Rain, right? The one on the desert. Beat the Rain, that what's his face?

Who's the disgrace director just moved to Israel? Brett Ratner was a producer on it. just moved to Israel. Brett Ratner was a producer on it. Yeah, about the husband and wife, poker professional poker players, and then they hook up, they're going to Reno or wherever it is, and they're on their way driving. When I remember how many names there was,

there was Beat the Rain ultimately, but there was at once, it was called Shodd and Panerino. There was one that was called deal, I think, or just deal, something like that. Just deal with it. No, just deal. No, just deal. It had been a sitcom, it would have been just deal with it.

Right, right, right. But I think dealers. And then I think it was gonna be called River, like that which has to do poker. And water. And water, but I think beat the rain wasn't interesting And there was a couple directors One I think was kinka usher who went on he did mystery men and also he did the taco bell

um, and then I think one Might have been a wonderful wonderful director named Jenna r, who I went on to work with again. She's wonderful. It did a movie about Nicola Tesla with her. But that was an interesting. Now, I think the two of us were stocking up on crowd service. Oh yeah.

And both realized that our kinship, even though we had known each other for a long time, the fact that we both, in fact, on the Larissander show, my nickname given to me by Jeremy Piven was snack time, because I was always filling my backpack. I snatched it. I still do it. To take from the crowd service. But anyway, back to beat the rain, that was a production rife with issues. Well, the fact that they had replaced the real shaman that they were insistent on

hiring a real like shaman Indian rain dancer. It had I think it was a union issue which is strange because I don't I know that sounds crazy what I'm saying union. Yeah, but there's a union for a rain dancer. There isn't a union for shaman, real shaman. But as it happened, I think they needed to have union people working on the production. Something, that's what I had heard. Yeah, but I was thinking of that. So they hired a real rain dancer to portray a real rain dancer.

It was not there. Oh, I thought there was an issue with the, there was no union. And so there was an issue with, well, they had to keep hiring the person as a day player, which was a lot more paperwork. But again, I go. They fired the, you know, they creatively fired the, the real rain dancer, because he was also giving B12 shots to the extras or the background play. So what's wrong with that? This is back back

I mean, I don't think you're allowed to get B12 shots Well, I don't think hack would be okay. I don't think you're allowed to do it just on your own You can't just bring a bunch of syringes and be told I know I did I didn't know that was timing I certainly would certainly he was giving the 12 shot and apparently unbeknownst to him. He gave a shot to one of the producers dogs. And yeah, yeah, yeah, why would you do that?

I don't know. Why would you be a rain dancing shaman? I don't know. There's many reasons to be a rain dancing shaman. I don't know. There's many reasons to be a rain dancing shaman. Name 17. Apparently you get. Name 17. Well, number one, there's movie roles to be had apparently. But there's value I suppose in these rituals. It's part of the human condition to like ritual whatever.

But when you mention a dog, now I gotta take issue. Because the animal cannot advocate for itself. It is not in any totally. No, I know you're not arguing for it. I didn't know about that. I didn't know about that. At the time of the night, I didn't know about that. Animals be 12 shots. Well, I'm sure you can, but you nor should you, but I don't know why you would unless he, unless the animal was sluggish. Was it somebody's dog? Was it a working dog? And so was it a producer's dog? No, it was a producer's dog.

But it was just dog just on the set. It wasn't. It wasn't like a, well that's that's a that's I don't like the sound of that. And then and then they they were not allowed uh to put in the at the end of the credit roll. No animals were harmed during the filming of the rain. Well, they shouldn't be.

I'm sure they stick that tag on. Listen, I've worked on many productions over the years where there are animals involved and they're not, quote unquote, hurt. But they are put to work in a way I don't think they've signed up for. I don't like the way a lot of the handlers who are making a lot of money off their,

mainly dogs I've worked with on a number of productions. I don't like it. You know what I mean? And all you're making this dog do is command, sit, work over and over all day. And then there was one where they made the dog poop on command. What? Dogs.

Dogs are feeling sentient creatures. They don't say, I'd like to go to work. It's like a child's a hector. You know what I mean? But the dog is getting treats. That too many treats. That's the dog. That's the dog.

The dog doesn't. But I do feel like there would be, there's one movie I did, a lifetime movie called Girl's Best Friend with a dog. And the dog would fall asleep in my arms routinely. That's how exhausted it was. And I would always say, please just let it sleep. We can just use the takes where it's sleeping, please. No, but we wanted to do this cute thing where it reacts.

Now that's a sign of a horrible film when you want the dog to react. And something someone said. And it completely unspeakable. Especially if it's in the trail. And it's not who's allowing that to happen and not. I tried so so hard David. Then you quit in a in a I didn't know we're talking about beat the rain.

They can be that you bring a gun to set. Bring a gun to set. No YouTube's on lifetime. I'm sure I've done an oxygen movie and lifetime movie. I don't think either one is able to be seen, but the YouTube I hear is very good. But I think what I'm saying is, whenever I've worked with animals, I am their biggest advocate, honestly.

Now, beat the rain, I didn't know about this dog, and I'm very, I wish I had- Well, it wasn't an acting dog, it was a- You know, I know, it doesn't matter for some acting. That makes it even worse. So it didn't need a B12 shot, but- No, I don't think you know. So that was that, so that you keep pulling it a reign,

I'm sure there's more professional name, but the shaman. I mean, I'm saying that out of, I mean, that's what, even in the, what do you call it, the cast list, it was break down sheet or like the, the call sheet. Call sheet, it's a, you know, rain dancer, shaman. Okay. Yeah, I mean, that was there. I, you know the the call sheet call sheet. It's a you know rain dancer shaman

Okay, yeah, I mean that was there. I you know, I didn't have a scene with the the particular rain dancer No, I didn't either. I mean I was just that it was the thing at the gas station where the couple broke down and You know I played the you know whatever toothless, you know hillbilly but desert version and of course I was the friend of the main girl. I know. So because for aesthetic reasons. No, but you were the quirky, fun. I was the, I was the friend who just,

which was supposed to throw in cynical bond moths and was terse, which I can't stand. I can't stand that. I can't stand that. That happened to me all the time, that pigeon holling. It's not interesting to play, nor is it interesting to watch. And it's a, I will say this though, you are good at it.

So I actually don't know if that's true, but it's a, Well, the test, no, the results came back. It is true. Yeah, you got a 79, because 79% of our news. Yep. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, the results came back. It is true. Yeah, you got a 79 because 79% yeah, but anyway, yeah, COVID is short for beat the rain. I've never seen it by the way, and PS I never saw it. No. Oh, I saw one night when I was doing 80 R. I saw some of it. Oh, the looping stuff. Yeah, but that's I've not seen and I don't know who's still called beat the rain. I have no idea and

Will Patton was in it. I love Will Patton. Yeah, I have very cool. There are a million other things. I have no idea. And will patent was in it. I love will patent. Yeah. I've definitely seen it in a million other things. I love him. Um, and also I don't know if you know this a young, uh, I hope I'm pronouncing her name right young Rachel Brasenhan. Is that correct? Oh, could be. I don't know. Yeah. Uh, wow. Yeah. A very young Rachel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Rosahann then. Might have been her first thing. But. Also, Kristen Minter. I think Rob Cohen was one of the writers on it, but there's 800 Rob Cohen's. Yeah.

Talk about the one that also wrote for the stillersion. Yes. Towering disaster. Towering disaster, right? Yes. Which is still out there. It's percolating. People have it.

People. It's a shame that the further we get away from Irwin Allen, the the harder is we're going to come back or we're coming back. I still think towering Fernos one of the good. It's great. Oh, yeah. I love it. Oh, it's stairs tying himself up. It's half towering Ferno, half Poseidon venture. I know a little bit of our way because I'm a little bit of swerver. The Christmas tree turns over upside down. I remember it. I'm not kidding, though. We are. a little bit of respect. A little bit of support. The Christmas tree turns over us. That's right. I remember it.

I'm not kidding though. We are. No, I believe. Ben, Ben, I don't remember how it came up. This is like back during COVID. Oh, I know it was. We did a reading on Zoom. We did like a celebrity reading of it for charity.

And then we all were like, hey, this is actually pretty good. And then Ben and Red Hour's production company were like, yeah, we should get this. And then Rob and I took it and then kind of cleaned it up and spruced it up and punched it up. And then we took it out and it just has every single thing has to be spot on about something like that to truly, truly be the best it can be. Um, okay, so back to the five senses, we're gonna have to, I feel like we've been talking forever. We have.

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Well, that's what the nature of what you're supposed to do here. Right, it's podcast. It's a talking. So I want to, there's two things. One thing I want to bring up, another thing is a brief little segment that I want to get to, which is a question from my daughter for you.

I want to have your reaction to this on tape or whatever. I, one of the many, many, many times on tape or whatever. I, one of the many, many, many times that we were, have done shows together, we were at Kaviat, I believe, Lowery Side. And you're gonna hate this because it is, I'm talking positively about you.

It makes me very uncomfortable. I'm already now my shoulders are full. No, but I and I said to you in all earnestness and I could see it as I was watching. I was like I would like to do an as unobtrusive documentary about you and just stand up and you were like, absent, absent, absolutely not, right? Absolutely. I still feel the same. And I actually, I appreciate that you say that,

but I can't think of something that, oh my gosh, no, and no one would ever wanna see it. No, that's not true. And that's not, let's not get the cart for the horse. The idea is- Please, it won't work. Okay, I would like to prove you wrong. And then I contacted you like after you had said,

no, no, no, no, no. I was like, listen, I'm really been thinking about it. This is how to do it. It will be as minimally invasive invasive as possible. Is this all what that's about? Is this actually fake? Yes, this is. Yeah.

I'll wear some. I'll wear some. The documentary right now. I think it would be, and you know what? Also, this is before that New York Times article came out. And then when the New York Times article came out, I was like, God damn it. Why won't you let me just,

at least get some shows because what you do is, is you're extremely extemporaneous and it's the writing is on stage and it's performative and it doesn't matter if the audience is with you or not, it doesn't matter how much, and no, that's a good thing. I mean, it matters to me, but I can't control it. It upsets me when they're not interested.

But the point I'm making is you're still a fast, brilliant, comic, and you're not one of those like, oh, I love to watch, some, like, people used to love to watch me bomb, right? Cause then I would get a certain way. And you're not that, that's not the kind of comic I'm talking about, you're just still, you're always kind of the same thing,

you're always, you know, quick and... The only thing I would be open to is if you and I were doing shows together and somebody was filming it, but that it, I in no way was the focus of it, but that it would be, because you do stand up in a similar way. I mean, you actually are much more of a writer, a disciplined writer, I know that. But also, how many kind of comedy things can people, like, there can't be any more books about standup or oral history? Or, yeah, I mean, I, I, I, that's not what this is about. So, I would, I would, first and foremost, the building block of this whole thing, the reason is your unique.

There's nobody quite like you in the, in the standup world. They're, they're, you've influenced people and there are people and you can see it, but there's nobody like you. And if you were, even if you're concerned about the impression it leaves while you're watching it after you watched it, you would have to trust the, I mean, obviously you'd have final say in everything, but you would have to trust that, hey, if we just shoot for, you know, 32 hours worth of stuff over a year, um, I just like doing this special because also, no, no, it is not. No, it is not. No, it is not. It's not.

The implication would be that I think it's a good idea, which I would say would be. This would be, Janine, I would sit there. I'm not gonna, you know me. I'm not gonna do a straight ahead thing. It could all be bookended with just you going, I don't wanna do this. I'm not gonna. Right, then, no one would even say it with a while

you're doing it. You know what I mean? Well, then this conversation will be part of it. Right, but it's still, but yet it still exists. And also, I mean? Like that. Well, then this conversation will be part of it. Right, but it still would, but yet it's still exists. And also I never be able to have final say because I would never be able to watch it for editing. Never. I've not, I couldn't possibly watch or listen to what you have to trust me. Here. I would, but the thing is is I really feel like

I don't want to have a conversation with you after where you say, I guess you were right. You wouldn't. It it wasn't it wasn't that we didn't have that. It will be heartbreaking to be proof. Curse don't don't negate something because you think it's going to be bad because I'm telling you I think it will be good. I think it would be intriguing and worthwhile and beneficial to thousands and thousands of women, girls, want to be comedians, writers. Wait, but I don't put a gender on it.

That's another thing. There's no difference between the gender and I don't consider, like I don't know why I still think I'm maybe I was trying to appeal to that You know I shouldn't have done that and appeal to that okay. It's just that I I really specific to Really what I do because also just Are you are you are you not aware or you denying that you're not a hero to some girls of women.

There may be certainly every kind of concern. There have been very nice, you know, Bonnie McFarlane and Jesse Klein have mentioned that. I am aware of that. And I'm thrilled. I don't know why it is that they're like that. But then there's, I think part of it, no, I haven't know why it is that they're like that. But then what did they say? I think part of it, no, I haven't said why. I think part of it for some people back in the 90s was, even though there were a lot

of people dressing like you and I did, there wasn't a lot of people dressing like you and I did on even to get the improv or on televised comedy segments. I think that actually was a more powerful thing that reached some people was this person looks different than Rita Rudder or even people that were well-dressed or had an outfit they wore when they were on a talk show doing stand-up. It was part and parcel of the kind of new, our delivery was different, our attitude was different, our that was expressed somewhat in the clothes. But what's not purpose is just sort of the way we were.

That's what people like, and that's what people gravitated towards, and that's why this movement that was never calculated, or it wasn't like organized but that's what happened and people are like oh do you do you remember when I was visiting you in Houston and we both got fired and we both run that comedy place yeah because oh no no no no oh we both did get fired from the high? Yes, I'd got fired from the high as did I we were both on the same show. We were?

Yes. Oh, shit. I meant that was saying with me and Houston and we were both at that high. Yeah, they did not like us. Or you were perhaps doing a guess whatever it was. I was no, I got I did the high it somewhere and got fired. Okay. Well, we're both fired on the same night

from by the same place. Well, that's not what I was thinking of. What was the great legendary comedy club in Houston? Oh, the comedy workshop. Comedy workshop. We went there, you brought me as a guest. You're very, you know, and you were ascending and everybody was like, oh, Janine's here

and you're like, this is my friend, David Cross. He's really good and we yeah, I was like and the owners the husband and wife the men's else They both I'm gonna use the phrase dressed me down Because of my outfit which was like short that's odd or or torn gene. Oh, yeah I remember it very well and it was disrespectful to the audience because I was running like a bowling shirt. Was it a

weekend? I don't remember. Because that's odd because there was a lot of informal dressers at the carnivore show. I was actually pretty good. Oh, I was. Yeah, I remember. And it was Thomas Balls in Houston. But they did that. I don't know what in the world, that's crazy, because also they could have said that to a number of comedians who work there. And did not. I'm very sorry that happened. Well, it wasn't, you know, it was more of a disappointment

and like a, you know, because they've much have taken it personally of their club, like somehow they pay. Well, that's what it was. The idea was I was being disrespectful to the audience. And that, well, also, men's out, the man, I forget, he was actually in terms of endearment.

He played the doctor in terms of endearment. I can remember him saying to me, and they were very supportive of me, but when there was a acting course offered through them, they were getting some money for it, like when they were offering it. And I remember thinking, should I take this? And he said, I don't know, the way you look and stuff, you're not going to get it. He was, he didn't know he, it's unkind to say such a thing. He was to him being saving me some time, waste time and he's just like, because also I back this is before empowerment. Do you remember

that Dave? There was no such thing as empowerment. I've heard of that. My wife is that's the lady's word on it. You were not blessed with curves. You are not plus sized, you are not big, beautiful, you are not soft. You either thinner, you were fat. That's way. Like to say, Rubenesque. And there was a just, and people were very blunt in those days, much more blunt. No fat chicks. No fat chicks, the bumper sticker, although that does make me laugh.

That bumper sticker makes me laugh. It always did, from the 70s straight now. It's like cheesets. I never tire of cheesets. They're always good. So he said, and just very, then that way you pragmatically, you're overweight, you're not, you know, particularly.

And he was being, just being himself. And and he's like I just don't think it was So crazy and he was willing to lose money kickback money to say that so I think he thought he was being quite helpful And as I said they gave me a lot of stage time Well, they're not always enjoyed so the comedy workshop comedy anix A fantastic venue very very sad to have lost that. And a lot of great comics work there. And there was open seven nights and it accidentally curated a very good audience because they're actually were very thoughtful good times.

And you know, when you were talking about that movement or like more less joky, more talky, it is always. And personal and personal and personal. It is always existed. And personal and personal. It has always existed. It's just that it was harder to see them over the years that existed in San Francisco, more it's solved in a way, did it. But this is something I discovered listening to

audio cassettes of Patty Smith, the singer, the wonderful singer Patty Smith, speaking. Patty gallery open for her friend, the photographer, her former roommate, the photographer that she lived with. Who? Oh, Patty Smith. Oh, Robert Mapples. Robert Mapples.

And she was doing what we would call, quote, unquote, alternative comedy. And I don't call it that. You don't call it that. It was just called that. She's hilarious. She's like speaking and saying personal funny story. She's doing that. She's like doing Loonalong. It's like 1973.

And I'm like, maybe we should say Patty Smith has originated this style, but it exists if that's who you are. It's always existing. I guess. And I think part of the reason it was, it's as definitive as it became was, you've got to remember the context that when it was starting stand up was at its apex it was the comedy boom and it was suddenly within a year two years tops everywhere right and it was all over the TV which in ways it was only on the tonight show or you know the late night talk shows and then a handful of other ways.

But there were only one late night. Well, I know that there was there always was local and in local Ted Boston had one their local standup shows and Toronto. Well, even in the 70s, but I know what you're saying, mostly they didn't and and it was hard to see. And there were only a handful places where you'd go to see standup and then all the sudden again within a year or two chains I mean there was exponentially like 10 times as many menus and so the people that were like hey I can make money doing this who weren't

very good all aped the style of the you know the, you know, the blazer with the rolled-up sleeves and the skinny tie and- Also, unfortunately, there was pressure to do that by TV people. Like, or please- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you know, Louie and Laura and all the people, you know, stood out. Because we, Paul Poundstone would do very, very personal type. Absolutely. I would go see her night after night. And of course George Conlon, but he was, as I discovered, very written.

I didn't know that. Very, very, but I would watch the workshop. So I was in it. I realized, oh, he's, yeah. Every word is, is hon honed but he's making it seem Jeanne I have got to go because I'm I'm I got to relieve the I'm just gonna hang out here you can't I got to go I'm gonna not got a bunch of voiceover stuff

Okay, but I have a question I ask each my each of my guests Get to you let me get a word an edge wise here. It's a question from my daughter. Yes. And I'm going to, she has a couple here. I'm going to, I asked her, so this is a question I'm going to ask you. Does sweat clean pennies? Oh, that is actually a good question.

In so far as perhaps enzymatically it might. Does she ask that because of experience? Like in her hands like pennies, because pennies are very dirty. Yes, and she knows that. And she certainly knows that a New York City penny has probably one of the dirtiest things on the planet and but she

Learned of the idea of the concept of a lucky penny find a penny pick it up and all the day up good luck So she wants to pick up get pennies for She should pick them up and then sanitize them. I Think the question remains does what I would say in answer if she's saying Will the sweat in my hand when I pick it up from the street clean it, I would say no. That because there's just bacteria upon bacteria. If you could isolate sweat maybe because sweat is a way of your pores cleansing themselves.

I understand where she's going, but I would say no. Well, it's a way to cool yourself down too. But also she should be on the lookout for what are called wheat pennies. Honestly, I saved them. My mother saved them and I collect them. They stopped making wheat pennies probably in around 1952. Because of celiacs disease. That's not true. They just changed the back of it.

There's no longer stocks of wheat. They just changed what the penny looks like. Because of celiacs disease, it's gluten free. It's a gluten free penny. It gluten. The gluten, the gluten, the gluten, the gluten mischegos wasn't in play. But they, but if you, if she finds wheat pennies, and you still can, and I have some from 1927, I literally that I will get on any given day, they're still, and I like to imagine the journey that pennies with them. But I've

got wheat pennies from like the 1920s, the 30s, the 40s, and then they end around 19, maybe 58s the last time. But the back of the penny will look different and she, they're just something to collect. And some of them are worth a great deal of money. Yeah. Janik Roplo, thank you so much. Thank you. I'm like dear old friend.

Thank you. It was a pleasure. And I can't, this seed is good. John Houderman was correct. uh, jenny grafflo thank you so much my dear old friend thank you it was a pleasure and i can't this seed is good john has more was correct this will see is a great choice for those coming i'll have to try it someday thank you so much thank you thank you since it's working over time as a head gum podcast created and hosted by me david cross the show is edited by kat by Katie Skeleton and engineered by Nicole Lyons with supervising producer Emma Foley. Thanks to Demi Drucchen, for our show art, and

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