Senses Working Overtime with David Cross - Jo Firestone

Episode Date: December 28, 2023

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This is a headgun podcast. Oh, well that'll do it. But why is that? Is that like a Hollywood new, fat Hollywood guy? Yeah, but going to play, and I want to just... Oh shoot. This is your first trip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Because you've always... So I'm going to turn this on silent, you've always insisted on like wagon, rattling by wagon. Yeah, well, it's just because of my family. What is, what's, I don't know. They make wagons. Oh, oh, it's just a little promotional thing.

Well. And how is that business going? It is really bad. So we've kind of all Abandon it and start taking planes again trying to get into the Delta lounge So you so you used to take planes then your family started making wagons or it always made way I started making Y is in 1995. Okay, and is there any significant to that year? 1995, they get basically, I don't know if you know this,

there was a huge wood virus. There were wood fires? Virus. No, I didn't know that. So they got cheap, diseased wood and made Wagans out of it. Yeah. Okay. And it is that the reason why the business didn't do so well is that the wagons fell apart. No, the business did very well. And then, and then basically what happened is my mother got Essentially pretty power hungry and oh started Making some pretty bad financial decisions. Could you are you free to give any examples?

Basically she just stopped she just kind of cut the budget for wheels. Oh Yeah, that'll do it. That's probably the one at the top five most important parts of a wagon Well, you couldn't really say that toward the time. Right. And she was just two. You tried. I assume. Of course, yeah, we had a lot of sit-downs, and she just wouldn't listen to it.

And where would the money go? In her pocket. Oh, jeez. Man, what kind of pockets did she have? Oh, she had little ones. She wore little female jeans. Mm-hmm. So, they're little pockets.

So, I'm sorry. What's the difference between a female Jean and a male Jean? Female jeans. Usually jeans made. At the time, women's jeans were pockets could barely kind of get the first pair. Oh, just for the tip of your finger. Yeah. Yeah to protect your fingernails a new yeah in case you got into You don't want to chip a nail so you put it in yeah And so the money that you would save from getting

Skimping on the safety and quality of the wheels Would go into literally go into our little pockets. Well, kind of, and this is a pre-bick point, so it's physical money. Yeah, it was, I mean, it really tore the family apart, but, you know, the hope, I mean, the hope is that there are still people who enjoy firestone wagons. And kind of... It sounds like there are still people who enjoy fires on wagon. And kind of... It sounds like there are less and less of them as the day goes. Yeah, I mean some of them are well preserved, but it's...

And how... Have you noticed the EV craze eating into your wagon business? Well, the wagon is the original EV. Sure, sure. You would charge it up with a battery and Sometimes it would have to charge overnight and then yeah, and you would charge the the wagon or the horse you charge the horse you would plug your horse into the Charger that was provided to you by Firestone Wagon's. And then the, the wagon gets a deep battery.

And so, oh, so they both the, the wagon doesn't get charged. You just have to keep getting no deep batteries. And what are the batter? What the, you know, deep batteries? I do know deep batteries. Yeah. I'd say my third favorite battery of, of the batteries. First number one is double A. Double A for sure.

Yeah, you know me. Double A watch battery, D battery. They make A's. Regular single A's? No, it's illegal. Yeah, that was a trade thing with Canada, I believe. Oh. Yeah. Oh. Yeah.

Gosh. Mm. You don't have any milk in there? Well, I asked him to put oat milk in. And I didn't say a splash or a wee bit or a drop. So maybe they heard that? Yeah, that's not much. I got a new, my boyfriend bought oat milk from CVS.

Okay. And it's the kind I couldn't believe how watery this stuff is. Did you shake it? Oh yeah, I've been shaking it all morning. Did you add oat milk to it? I did. I've been adding oat milk to it. Yeah, that's what you got to do.

You see, with CVS oat milk, you have to add oat milk to the oat milk to get oat milk. Hi. Yeah. It's just, yeah, I'm leaving town. Hmm. Again? Again? What the, what happened this time?

Well. Jesus, Joe, how many times is this? I- Is it because of the Adam's administration? That's part of it, but I just am addicted to a lukewarmia. Yeah, I do like lukewarmia. It's wonderful. It is.

It was good even. Excuse me. The Delta area, as they were renovating it, like this is going back like six, seven years, the Delta area was like, this is going back like six, seven years. The Delta area was, this is great. It's all kind of encompassed in this one little area and you can have a sit at this big open thing in the middle of all the gates and have a glass of wine and get a little thing with your card, some food,

and then all the gates are right there. It was great. It remains great. Yeah, I agree. Top there, there, a report. I agree. Yeah. It used to be, this is before your time, Jim,

but it used to be LaGuardia suck and you were hoping you would fly out of JFK and that would see Zach's opposite. JFK sucks and you hope that you're flying out of LaGuardia. You know, I just think that New York they just, I think they put the airports so far away. From, yeah, you wish they were down the street. I just don't understand what they've done here. Well, you could move yourself closer to the airport, should you wish.

I know, I talked to a guy yesterday. Oh, yeah. You got a guy. He lives 15 minutes from LaGuardia. Wow. And I said, can you walk there? He, he, he couldn't, he said, that's not possible. 15 minutes away. He can't walk there. Well, I don't think that's, I mean, maybe you're pushing for a wagon sale, but I, that's a problem. You live 15 minutes away from the airport. You can't walk there. Well, I think 15 minutes of the 15 minutes is spent like in the traffic queue getting, so you walk, so you walk. Well, but then there's no sidewalks. It's not made for and I see your point. They need

sidewalks for the people who walk for the handful of people that live 15 minutes away from. But when he said 15 minutes away, did he mean walking or driving? Could have been an L.A. thing. We're like, oh, I'm only 15 minutes away. Nobody says, oh, well, nobody in New York would whatever say that. That's true. That's true. You've learned a lot. I live 15 minutes away from every restaurant. In town, including Staten Island. Can you walk? I guess if the water's frozen after the Hudson days, frozen over. Yeah, well, I can't, every restaurant 15 minutes away last night

So hungry and I could not and I didn't have time to get to go to a restaurant 15 minutes away. I Made a pizza at home That seems like it would take more time It just seemed like that's what made sense got it. They had the oven you were so hungry. You weren't thinking straight the oven They said the oven. Can you believe how high this oven, they said the on the instructions, they said the oven needed to be 450 degrees. Yeah. That's practically cleaning the oven.

Two birds once a stone. You can make a pizza and clean your oven at the same time. This was a, I found it. Was it a brevel? Was it like a mini toaster oven thing? No, this was a oven on the ground. On the ground? Oh, you got to elevate those things

or you're gonna fuck up your floor. I will have to talk to my landlord. I like how, I've never heard the distinction of like, oh, I have two ovens, I have a ground oven, and I have a toaster oven. I have an oven that's just for the ground. It's on the ground. The oven is on the ground.

Yeah. We don't have an oven on the ground? I never thought of it that way. I have an oven, stove oven thing. It is elevated for sure, and it is not suspended by wires. So I suppose it's a ground oven, yeah. You know, they got this thing at Sherpa Image right now. That is a floating lamp.

And I can't... What? The lamp. That floats. I can't believe that this is where we're at. I know. Can you believe it? They can't find a cure for the common cold.

They can send a man to Mars in the movies, but they can't. They have a floating lamp. I just couldn't believe my eyes. Do you think it's trickery, sorcery, devilish? The picture showed the person's image. Oh, the picture you didn't even see that. Oh, you're, wait, so this lamp isn't just floating. It's, it's not three dimensional. It's a, like you can stick your hand through it. It's, it's not a, I don't know, it's a, like you can stick your hand through it. It's not a... Oh, no, it's three dimensional. I don't understand. The picture is a person putting their hand through the...

What? The lamp is an orb. Okay. A glowing orb. Sure. That makes sense. That tracks so far. How did...

Not connected to a wire. So is it charged? I'm not sure. Now you're the one with who charge electrically, charges horses and wagons. So how do you not have any of what I know? This lamp is Oh, I keep forgetting you're from St. Louis, right? Yeah. All right. Yeah, that explains a lot Have you been to St. Louis? Yeah, okay. Yeah, there's not a It makes sense that you wouldn't understand the concept of, I get it. I get it.

I've been to St. Louis a number of times and you know, they made the R-shaded and know if it would fit at the top. They were built up both sides. They didn't know a lot of people didn't think it was going to meet at the top. They didn't, oh, I thought you meant that they didn't know if it would be high enough to, it would be too high for the sky. Is that too? It's just they didn't know. They can't build boat both sides a lot of people said not to be race between the two sides It's possible and then so just

Good fortune happen stance it met in the middle in a perfect way That's that's you know some people call it luck some people call planning put then Basically a lot of people were worried about that and that's you know, that know, that's what it's called, show me state. Show me it meets at the top. Right. What, why is it called the show me state? Show me it meets at the top. Oh, okay. It goes back to the arch. It's all about the arch. Yeah. Yeah. Show me seems, I like it in the sense that it's, it's, and I have mixed feelings about it because it's very solipsistic. The idea that something can exist or wouldn't exist or doesn't exist, unless I see it firsthand.

Yes, interesting now you say that that that Missouri is such a God-fearing state. They fear God. And yet it's a show me state. Yeah, so they're constantly saying to God, show me what a flood looks like. Show me what one of the last states in the union ratified anti-slavery. Show me. Show me what systemic and intrinsic racism is. Show it to me.

Show me. Show me. Show me the massive disparity between wealth. Show me. Show it to me. What does it look like? Show me. What would it be like to live amongst that?

You know, it's what we're based there. In Missouri or St. Louis? In St. Louis. What? What's that company that does all the GMO, not my... My santo? My santo based in St. Louis.

Oh, okay. Mm-hmm. So some of that has filtered into the groundwater and again, an explanation for a lot. You know, if you've been to the St. Louis Airport, which I'm sure you have. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

It's an interesting group of folks. Sure. They got an ice cream machine. They have an ice cream machine. Yeah. All right. And that's just people getting their wagons and head down family trip to the ice cream machine

at the St. Louis Airport. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's got, it's used vacuum technology. Why? To vacuum up a couple of ice cream. I don't understand.

Spoons are on the side. You're blown my mind here. You know, I have that at LaGuardia. They don't. Yeah. Do they have dip and dots or the frozen ice cream They don't have that, at LaGuardia. They don't. Yeah. Do they have dip and dots or the frozen ice cream of the future that the astronauts took board with them on the challenger?

No, no, this is that. They never got to enjoy it, obviously, but, you know. That's, you know, that's, it's tough you bring it up so early, but yeah, that's, this is, this is frozen custard. Oh, that's a St. Louis thing. Yeah, they make it with eggs. I think custard is generally made with eggs. Of course, it does.

That's the distinction between ice cream and custard. Of course. As I understand it. Now, here's a real true life experience I had in St. Louis. experience I had in St. Louis. When I was there last, I played a lovely theater called The Sheldon. Yeah. And have you played there? I'm not really quite at the Sheldon level. Yeah. Thank you. You'll get there, little Joe. You'll get there. Thanks, Steve Dave. It's so lovely. It's weird because they have no backstage. Like they literally, you're back. The backstage is kind of like this.

It's where they have their offices and there's some couches and stuff. And then to enter the stage, you literally just open the door. It's bizarre. It's like a theater set. It's very strange. And then you open the door and you're on. It's like a theater set. It's very strange. And then you open the door and you're on stage. There's no in between. It's very up. Anyway, so, and I told the story on stage, but I had my first and only to this point, loose meat sandwich in St. Louis and I had heard the term

I don't know where I don't know if it was like I'm one of those You know diners, dive in and drive things and I Don't know if it was there. I read in some in flight magazine. I don't know but I've heard of a loose meat sandwich. I don't know what it is and I was walking down you know board out of my skull because I'm at St. Louis and walking down the street. And then I saw a little chalkboard sign advertising a loose meat sandwich. Great.

Let me check this out. A new place, a very small brand new on a side street. I went in, I ordered the loose meat sandwich and a water, and I took a seat at the little counter there, the face in the window, a couple minutes later, I was the only person in there. A couple minutes later, the very nice lady brought over when those little kind of ubiquitous,

plastic, kind of cheeseburger, type, you know, boat tray things with a little wax paper. And a, what looked like a small hamburger that was wrapped up and then fork. And I said, oh, okay, what's the fork for? And she said to get all the meat that falls off. And I was like, oh, okay, and I opened up the sandwich. And as I opened it, a bunch of meat fell out. And then started to eat it. And it was tasty. And then every bite more and more meat would fall. So I'd say roughly somewhere between a third and half of the sandwich was in the basket that I had to use a fork for.

And I told the lady, I was like, you know, there's a way for this not to happen, is what you would do is you take the same exact meat that you used and you would just kind of press it together lightly and then grill that up and then this won't happen. And then she said, well, then it wouldn't be a loose meat sandwich. And I was like, you're right. You're right. It would not be a loose meat. It would be a singular patty You can't invent the hamburger I'm no, I'm just pointing her down the direction of I would imagine that

the loose meat sandwich Existed the slapping Joe it's like a sloppy Joe without sauce Yeah, if there was no sauce the the meat is dry. It's dry, yeah. It does come with mayonnaise. You could ask for it, sure. It comes dry meat. It's soft. I mean, it's definitely tasty, but it's the same tastiness as a hamburger without, I guess guess if you got the middle quarter of a hamburger would be a little different temperature than the, these are like little kind of balls, like teeny tiny like meatball-y type things. Teeny tiny, like not as tiny as sloppy Joe, but not as big as hamburger. And they were just, it was just, it seems like a very lazy IE St. Louis application to a lunch sandwich.

It seems like maybe most of St. Louis knew not to go in there. Oh, well, it was new, as I said. It could be thriving. And again, it was, it was tasty, but it was like, And again, it was tasty, but it was like, what a odd concept. Now, either the loose meat sandwich predated the hamburger, and then somebody went, what are you doing? Just take the meat and go like this, and then they made the hamburger, and that was wildly successful internationally. The buffalo. The hamburger existed, and somebody said, you know what?

Let's make this more difficult and unpleasant and then they did that and they You know created more time. Maybe they had to kill some time, you know You know you have to wonder about a lot of this stuff. How did the chicken fingers start? You know a lot of these things Um, I don't know that's not a I don't think that's the same thing chicken finger Um, I don't know, that's not a, I don't think that's the same thing. Chicken vingery, just press the meat together or just get, chop up some, uh, or thin, thinly slice some breasts and, uh, fry them up. You know, my nephew was eating chicken fingers on the ground over Thanksgiving.

Mm-hmm. My dog comes back from a walk, just eats his whole plate of chicken fingers. Well, that, that'll, that's what he gets. Now, if you just looked at him, just watch this happen. And also your, who is it? Your which one? What? Your, what is the relation to you? Right, relate, relate.

He's my dog. No, no, the person. My nephew. Your nephew, well, your nephew. Oh, is this, um, Rudy, Randy, Brian, Brandy, Briskle, Br nephew. Oh, is this Rudy, Brandy, Brian, Brandy, Briskall, Brenda, Brendan? Brenda. Brenda?

Yeah, he's 28 and should know better, but, you know, yeah, that's not the dog's fault. The dog's just doing what a dog does. What? He was in the middle of the game cube. That's on him. That's totally on him. That's a real St. Louis way to eat your Thanksgiving dinner. Sorry, that just is. Here's another thing about St. Louis, another anecdote. Long, long, long, long, long time ago, I was playing at the,

was it Caturizing Star at Union Station? Yeah. And this is like late 80s, early 90s. And- And this station was really at a tape date. It was very pretty, it was beautiful. Like the Midwest has a lot of those beautiful upper middle class. They're not like mansions, but they're those upper middle class

big stone homes that are like to store a beautiful beautiful Detroit has that a lot and then they're Abandoned because of white flight and then they just sort of you could see how beautiful it was and then nobody took care of it. They were scared because black people moved within a two-mile radius and then muslims, you know, later on in history. And they're beautiful homes. And so I was playing, and Union Station was, you was you could tell was like a beautiful state of the art Yeah, train station at the time, you know, and then they've read It was crumbling and they came in and made it all nice and Fudge they have fudge there and they what they have fudge there?

Make fudge Okay, are you asking or telling me? No, I'm telling you. Okay. Uh, they make fudge. Great. Um, and what? They got hooters. They got hooters. Is it still around union station? No, yeah. And it does it exist as a train station or just the touristy thing. Yeah. Um, anyway, they had a cat's rising star there and the woman who was managing, who was the woman who booked me, I was crashing in her place. She had an apartment that she shared with one of the waitresses there. And I had driven in.

I drove from Boston. And I don't believe it. You don't believe that I drove from Boston? That doesn't make any sense. You were on a tour that goes Boston to St. Louis. This is not a tour. This was a week at the catch in St. Louis. And you go from Boston to St. Louis? Yeah, I just I took the gig. It was it was work. That's like a 20 hour drive. Yeah. You're driving 20 hours to catch a rising star.

Yes. I mean, look, your generation doesn't know what being on the road is, all right? Let me tell you. I'm not a road dog, well, if I'm not, and I can do six gigs and I don't know what I've said. Okay, I'm not trying to tell you, I'm supposed to be on the road.

I'm not saying it's a great thing. I mean, it definitely, you learn a lot, but it's, it's a not saying it's a great thing. I mean, it definitely you learn a lot, but it's a tough existence. I can't be driving around. I can't be driving around. Once you get there, you don't have to drive anymore. You sure do. You sure do. No, I would get a ride in with a, I can't remember a name, but it's very nice lady.

Anyway, the, the, her roommate, as I got in, traveling quite a bit roommate as I got in traveling quite a bit and I got in and she's like, Hey, are you hungry? Do you want to order a pizza? We've got real St. Louis pizza here. And I do know where this is going. I love this story. Did I tell you this story? No, but I love St. Louis pizza. So I'm going to love this story. Did I tell you this story? No, but I love St. Louis pizza,

so I'm gonna love this story. So I was unfamiliar with the term. And I, and I said, St. Louis pizza, I've never heard of that. I mean, I know New York and Chicago and New Haven. Ooh, ooh, ooh. But what's St. Louis style pizza? Yeah, she goes oh it has fresh vegetables on it and I

Said okay, I think a lot of different pizzas have Barry in the lead. There's another secret coming Why she got the pizza and it looked like standard pizza with stuff on it. There was nothing that was distinctive. That I remember from the pizza that she ordered. What is it, Joe? Did you like it? I mean, I don't remember.

I didn't dislike it, but I didn't go, oh my God, I'm never going to have another pizza style again. That's how I feel. It's really delicious. It's square. They cut it in squares. Oh, like tavern style. Sure. I think they call that tavern style. I call it saloon style. It's cutting squares, then crust. Yep. Sweet sauce. That I don't remember. I probably would remember that. It was it was very standard Tip of the tongue. Tip of the tongue. That's where you're supposed to eat it. I just on the tip of the tongue. Savory at the top of the tip of the tongue. Oh goodness. Yeah, I don't

Provelle cheese. And what? Provelle cheese. See, this was not the pizza I got. What you're describing to me is quite different than... Provelle? Well, it definitely didn't. It was just a regular like... American, mozzarella, Swiss, Proveleon, combined into a super cheese that does not need to be refrigerated. Oh, amazing.

I like the idea that. That sounds good. I got a, well, next time in St. Louis I'm going to ditch the loose meat sandwich and get a Real St. Louis style pizza because it's not what I had was not what you're describing I used to work at a pizza place that was the New York style pizza. Yeah in St. Louis It was pizza with the attitude It was that how they advertised it. Mm-hmm. That sounds like a every hack Come comedy Was that how they advertised it? Mm-hmm. That sounds like every hack, com-comedy.

Mm-hmm. Hey, I went to a New York style, or I guess we would have a different accent. I went to New York style pizza restaurant the other day, they went, here's your fucking pizza. Yeah, well. It sounds like an old... Well, this was a business.

Yeah, yeah. Now, businesses are based on hacky jokes and puns. Lots of them are. Well, this place we were really rude. What was it called? I think it's still in business. Called Rackenellies. Oh, I thought you were, I thought you the name of the business was, I think they're still in business. That'd be a good name for a business. I think they're still in business. That'd be a good name for business. I think they're still in business pizza Yeah, it could be pretty good. This place was really good though. It's really good pizza Yeah, we sometimes get a little saucy with people you know, I mean sure sure little attitude New York attitude But that's the place I learned the difference between a stromboli and a calzone. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's a big difference You can yeah, yeah, yeah, one's all rolled up with the stuff in and then the other one is stuffed inside. Of course, much different. Yeah. And once got

Usually you don't find ricotta in oh no in a strumbly, but you will in a calzone. Of course. Yeah, yeah. Now well you know I know now Joe you like myself are a transplant to New York City. How do you find the typical New Yorker? Fast. Fast. In a hurry. Okay. Drink in a coffee.

Drink in their coffee. Check in their phones. Check in a coffee. Drink in their coffee. Check in their phone. Check in their phones. You know, where are new Yankees hat? And where are the Yankees hat? Wow. Excuse me, because you said that you were talking about the New York attitude, pizza place. And I find New Yorkers to be very They can certainly be brusque, but they're very helpful. I would say of all the places I've lived the most community minded and the the most helpful and kind of friendly in that atmosphere and not atmosphere, but

Context. Oh if someone says can you help me get the Harold Square? atmosphere, not atmosphere, but context. Oh, if someone says, can you help me get the hair all square? Or even if you don't ask, people, I think a lot of New Yorkers will take it upon themselves to help you out to, I find them to be very, again, they can be very brusque, but for the most part, very helpful, and friendly in that way, and very be very brusque, but for the most part very helpful and friendly in that way and very, very, very, very community minded where you know your neighbors.

On any street I've ever lived, I've lived in a... By name? You know, you live in by name? Yeah. You know people at the bodega, you know people down the street. See, I know everybody by face. Sure that's one way to do it. Okay but I don't really know everybody's name.

So when you pass people by that you know that you go. I see the same thing. Hey big ears brown eyes. Hey what's up long hair. Too fat. Yeah. What's up grandma or grandpa can't really tell? Is that what do you do? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, and what do they how do they greet you in return? They say hi? Hi little one

Oh, so the so it's I said hi short. Hi short. You're not the only person who does the face thing Everybody in your neighborhood. Oh, it's like that place in St. Albans main where all the people at Tourette's lip. Someone told me yesterday I had Renaissance hair. That can, I love that because that's either a compliment or a diss and I can't tell. So you say Renaissance hair looks like. Renaissance hair.

Yeah, but listen, there's lots of people calling each other, but I know a lot of people in the neighborhood other, but I know a lot of people in the neighborhood by face and I know a lot of their dogs names. Oh, okay. I got a dog. All right, right? So I know my dogs name and then I know when they talk to their dogs. Mm-hmm. So, you know, I know Giuseppe, I know Zeus, I know a lot of these people, you know, Duncan, I know a lot of these people. Those are all sounds like, uh, Park Slope kidnaps too. Giuseppe Zeus and Duncan, they could be in, uh, pre-K together. Well, they kind of are in a way, but I see a lot of the same people, but I, I don't necessarily, I don't know any muddies thing except for a few.

Do you live in Brooklyn or Manhattan No. You man hadn't? Yep. Where? Upper West Side. Ooh. Okay. All right. Why?

Well, I do this thing that's kind of unique to me where I say I'll live wherever you want to my boyfriend. And he just kind of chooses these places and he chose Upper West Side. Why did he choose Upper West Side? He works kind of close to there and he wanted to live close to work, but he, all right, that makes sense. Before that, he wanted to live in the West Village. So we lived there.

Before that. That's quite a change. He wanted to live in Dumbo. We lived there. Yeah, I liked the Dumbo. You know, hard to live in Dumbo, because I've got, have I got your boyfriend?

I bet so. Okay, what does he do for a Was he do for a living? He took over the wagon business. Oh Wow and pre it Not doing well or post-post Okay, I see well, and let's hope for the best yeah cuz I keep trying to get him to shift but He's kind of determined. Oh, it's their all manual I keep trying to get him to shift, but he's kind of determined. Oh, it's at their all manual.

All these wagons are manual transmission. Well, we shifted when EV came along. We said, we don't want to compete. So let's go to gas. Okay. I think you missed my joke reference here, but that's okay. Okay. Okay.

What do you know? What do I know? Wackens. Yeah. Now, Firestone, I'm guessing from your name, that you can date your, or track your family's origins to the Neanderthals. Wow, that's going way back. Some people are like, my great, great, great, great, great. Grandfather was a chief of the Cherokee Nation and my great, great, great, great grandmother came over on the Mayflower. But you can go all the way back to Neanderthals with Firestone.

Because our last name came from when they invented fire. The Astone. Yeah. No, that's great. Yeah, so there was, you know. to fire. Yeah. The stone. Yeah. No, that's great. Yeah, so there was, you know, a lot of grunting. Yeah. Yeah. A bug fire stone, that was my great grandfather.

What, say what? A bug fire stone. It was my great, great grandfather. See, that would only go back to the... That's how I'm guessing. ...late 1800. So, your great, great, your great your great great or great great great great great so in the 1800s he was in check the Christian name was a gug yeah because yeah okay that's

what he it was a family name carried on since the Neanderthals wow yeah that's because you know that's why we're all so how did how did you get Joseph shaped the way Joe? Huh? How did where did Joe come from? I know it's it's short for Joseph, but Joseph JoJo JoJo JoJo JoJo crop of woods and the traveling all stars no no what you know Dimasio no was this was a St. Louis Cardinal or Hmm. Facebook player. San Diego Padre. Yeah. You give up?

No, I don't. San Diego Padre. Um. What year were you born? 1967. Uh, come on. Were the Padres even around in 1967? Uh, come on. Were the potries even around in 1967? I guess so.

Hitter a pitcher. Hitter? Second basement? Well, I guess I do give up. JoJo Glass. Oh, I never would have gotten that one. Who is JoJo Glass? He's the best second basement to hit the Padres since... probably...

66? Yeah. And, um... Now, this isn't truly interesting because you're from St. Louis and the Padres must have been a brand new team at that point. I would imagine an expansion team. So they got the best to the best. They got the worst of the worst actually.

That's not how it works. It'd be nice if it worked that way. But, um, so JoJo Glass, who I've never heard of. Well, you should probably get a little bit of research done today. I will, I will. Emma? Uh, Google Glass, comma, JoJo. You don't have to do, you can do it straight forward. Uh, uh, re, uh, I am DB.

We get his IMDB page. It's, I am DB. We get his I am DB. It's not I'm DB. Just do straight for whatever baseball I am DB is it's B m DB B m B. B m B B. Uh, okay. So why if you're from St. Louis, which is a baseball man, they've worried baseball fan base and team and tradition. I mean

They're considered some of the best fans in baseball. Yeah, so why Obscure a second basement from San Diego. Not obscure. Yes, I'm like, did you hear did you get the hits? Sorry, not yet. No, tell me about I'll let the audience be the judge of whether he's obscure or not. Tell me why you were named after a up and coming down and out second basement for San Diego Padres. He's doing really well that season. Uh huh.

Okay. Yep. He was young for a baseball player. Okay. 38 years old. That's season. Uh-huh. Okay. He was young for a baseball player. Okay. 38 years old. That's not young for a baseball player. He's doing really well. That's the end of his...

My first word was baseball bat. That's two words. It's compound word. I said it too fast. I said it fast. We have bat bat bat. Best ball bat. Okay.

So, that wasn't... So, my original name, they didn't name me for the first, I guess, year and a half of my life. Oh my God. They just called me baby. Okay. And then after I responded that, though. And then after I said, baseball bat, they started calling me Joe after JoJo Glass. And how did they become a fans of JoJo Glass?

That's what the part that is interesting because as I was saying, St. Louis is like an amazing baseball city. Right. Yeah, I'm so how did they come to a second basement for the San Diego Padres? You know, I think that a lot of people consider San Diego as St. Louis to be sister cities. Okay. So, they're both in the National League. So, if San Diego plays St. Louis, who do people root for? They root for both. Both, okay. It's really, it's an amazing experience at the stadium. Now what happens if they're in the,

like, you know, post-season? Well, that wouldn't happen, they're both nationally team. Of course. Right, so it's an absurd. I know. Oh, you're just putting it out there as a? I said it. Sometimes you just say things to kind of flip up the conversation.

So, I'm sorry, what? Flip up. Flip it up. Was this conversation a need, needing being flipped up? Conversations are like waffles. You gotta turn them. I've always found it. Conversations are like waffles. There's little divots in there to put some syrup in. But not too much syrup. You ever tried butter plain? But, uh, say what? Butter plain waffles? Yeah. So, just a waffle with butter.

No. It's good. It's really good. Is there a place around here that just sells? No, I'm making my home, but they're really good. Yeah, you're just making waffles and not putting syrup on them. I don't buy syrup. I never think to buy syrup. You like syrup? Yeah, it's okay, but I never think to buy it. Right.

This is never on my list. Right. You haven't missed it in your... Not really. In your cooking. No, I'll have to say not really. Yeah. Now, have you ever been like...

They must have a farmer's market up by Upper West Side, right? Of course. And do the starting round, actually starting around now or maybe last month, when all the homemade maple syrup, the sugar houses come down and start selling maple syrup and the flavored ones, the blueberries and the boys and berries and the raspberries. And that never, you never thought to get a syrup. syrup and the flavored ones, the blueberries and the boys and berries and the raspberries.

And that never, you never thought to get a syrup. I don't, when I'm at the farmer's market, I'm just, I'm trying to get, you know, I'm trying to get through efficiently. I'll get, you know, six to seven apples, socket flowers. Cheese. How do you prepare the flowers? I throw them. I cut them into little pieces and then I usually will, you know, I used to be a part of a CSA. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Well, in Dumbo? No. Because I have one in Dumbo. I know. That was part of that

one. Well, so they won't have in the CSA. They gave us big heads of some flowers. Okay. And I said, what do you do with this? I said, how do you prepare this? A little attitude, New York attitude. Well, I just didn't understand why they're giving us big heads of some flowers. I thought that you know, I understand carrots.

I understand that we've gotten tens who can't eat these every week, but I wanted to know what we do. Yeah. You know what they said? No. Put it on the grill. Put it on the grill.

Put the whole thing on the grill. I've never heard of that or seen that. Did you? No, I don't have a grill, but I couldn't believe that we're just putting our flowers on the grill. Well? Put the flower on the grill. Yeah, that does seem odd. But I mean, have you ever watched the show alone? I've heard of this show. You're familiar with it. I've been watching Squid Game Reel. That seems, I haven't seen it, but that seems just like kind of absurd to me.

It's like the beauty of, maybe beauty's not the right word, but what was so interesting about the actual, the fictional show was there were real stakes, you know, and it was, you know, and it was kind of a psychological, you know, it was a test. Not a cycle. Well, I mean, it was a psychological study as a word of what you would do, how far you would go for this money, knowing that the stakes were extremely high, but as you, as more and more people were killed off,

the pot grew bigger. And this is like a game that doesn't have the same stakes. So why would it be interesting? I haven't seen it. Do you know how much money they're given away? I do not. Over $4 million. But what are the stakes?

Because they give money away in a lot of games. They get, well, it's more money than most games and you get ink explosion when you get knocked out. You get an ink explosion. They put it ink explosion to simulate blood like a blood pack. Or are you getting shot? But you're not really getting shot. No, but the ink and then they have to pretend to be dead. So you're so there's acting skills in this?

Yes. And then you're judged by the academy afterwards. Well, it kind of in a way. Yeah. So what are some of the content? Is it the stuff from the game? Just the same as the show. But you don't die. No, but what about the what about the glass, the you know, the big glass bridge that was so high that if you didn't make it, you would fall

at your death. They haven't done that yet. Oh, okay. All right. What have they done so far? They did red light green light. Yeah, they did red light green light. They did the cookie the honeycomb Cutting out the honeycomb Which one was that I don't remember that they cut out the honeycomb and they got a lick it Everyone's lickin' it But I don't remember that from the show. They're lickin' it. Licking it, lickin' it and then they cut it out with a needle lick it, lick it, lick it, and then they cut it out with a needle. Wait, I don't know what you're with. Shapes. Circle, triangle, square, I mean star and, uh, and umbrella. Was, uh, oh, wait, oh, I do. That was like the second game, right?

Yeah. Oh, I vaguely remember that. Uh, they had people doing it. Everybody lick it, lick it, lick it, lick it. And then if you don't, what do it in time, then you? Yeah, or if you break it? That's why would you watch that? That seems so boring to me. I don't choose to watch it, but it's on, you know, Oh, is this go back to your boyfriend? Is he wants to watch it? He wants to watch it. And wants to watch it. He wants to watch it and I say,

I'll just read my book. What are you reading? An amazing book. What is it? It's a book about a theater troupe. Okay. Somebody's killed. Oh a murder mystery.

I just love this stuff. A theater troupe murder mystery. I just love it. Gosh, two of my least favorite things. Two of my most favorite things. What now, what is it that you love about this particular theater troop? It's in London. I mean, England. Okay. You don't want to get specific. You just want to keep it to the country. I actually don't know where. I don't know where it is. You assume it's England, because of the...

Are they... Favorite? He would. Oh, they say humor and favorite. You can hear their accent when you're reading it. Spell to the U. Oh, I got you. Like color.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do they say autumn instead of fall? They haven't said autumn yet. Oh, okay. I shouldn't say instead of. But... You don't say autumn instead of fall? They haven't said autumn yet. Oh, okay. I shouldn't say instead of. But you don't say autumn. I say fall, but in the UK, they'll say autumn.

They don't say fall, they say autumn. Lightning bug. Oh, I'm a lightning bug guy. Firefly. No, I'm lightning bug. Okay. I thought that was southern. Lightning bug?

Yeah. Yeah. Just check it. Okay. I thought that was Southern. Lightning Bug? Yeah. Yeah. Just check it. Okay. I say Lightning Bug. Why did you bring up a loan? Because of... Oh, it was something that you ate that... Oh, grilling the sunflower.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was like 10 minutes ago. Just kind of curious, kind of. We kind of breeze past that. Oh, I meant, like, you would eat it in a loan, you would be really psyched to have a sunflower to eat. What? Cheese.

They're very alone. Oh, cheese. It's just, you know, it's, there's a bunch of survivalists and you go out, you're allowed to bring 10 things from home, specifically things you can't bring, but 10 things. And then it's just you in a very, it's fascinating show. It's great. Remote part of the world. And it's just you and a massage therapist,

and you're left to your own, and you have to build your own shelter, get your own food. And... Massage therapist? Yeah, and everyone gets one massage therapist to bring with them. And then you just go out amongst yourself. I mean, just that's it.

You go out and you are done. I mean, that's it. Nobody's helping you do anything. Obviously, the massage therapist is there to give you a massage and maybe lug some of the stuff, but that's not. They're there for one reason to give you a massage, but the other person, yeah. And I thought naked and afraid was tense.

She's... I, no, I haven't seen naked and afraid, but I have seen partially clothed and brave, and that is, I got through like three episodes and was bored tears. We got to get to the finale. A partially clothed and brave, okay. What is it?

It's really, I don't want to spoil it, but it's just very good. It makes it worth it. I also thought it was odd that they would go bottomless and not topless. Well, I think that a lot of people think topless is a little overdone. It is. It's a little pack.

Yeah, so they're mixing it up. Yeah. Do you know, I do still feel a little bit guilty. About what? Um, I just, you know, I just keep replaying some of the pranks that we did. And I do think that they, I just feel like people, I don't think people understood that I think people were hurt. It that it was well meaning and well intentioned, but yeah, people got hurt. Yeah. Emotionally and physically.

Yes. So that one little boy broke his leg. Yeah. And I just, I do regret. I do regret doing it. No. We've talked about this a million times, but that was, we were only kind of, we weren't 100% responsible for his broken leg.

We were, it was, it's nice for you to say that. It's nice for you to say that. Well, I'm not trying to, I'm just saying it's true. It's like, but I painted the Vaseline on those stairs. Yeah. That's on camera. Yes, but I mean, and then you pushed him. Right.

Well, there's so many other aspects. There's gravity. There's his inability to hold his balance. And when you say push, I think what, excuse me, I think what people infer from that is that I gave him a healthy hard push, which I did not. I did the thing where I tapped him on the left shoulder

and he turned and then I tapped him on the right shoulder and he kept turning, you know, and I would hide and tap him and he was getting upset. Then he kind of wheeled around and then I just did that thing. If you're listening, I did, you know, where you take your middle finger, put it up to your thumb, almost like a, like a, a-okay sign, but then you flick. So I did that. So it's not a push push. So you don't feel guilty about doing this, Prank show. Well, but also we were told, and this is part of the lawsuit, and I think this is why we'll be

victorious in this. I think we were told that, oh, that's not really vacillating. That's stage vacillating. Those aren't real stairs. Those are stage stairs. We were told that we certainly didn't expect somebody, neither of us, expected that A, people would get really hurt. We expected some scrapes and bruises, but that we didn't expect a broken leg. And to be honest, he was lucky. That's all he got, you know. Well, I guess I'll say this is that, you know, I, you know, I considered this show a big break, right?

Mm-hmm. You know. Well, that was the name of it, big break. Yeah, and, you know, and then it was also, Big Break, and then I thought, well, if Big Dave Cross is doing it, then I'll do, this is huge. My manager said, you're going to really get along with this guy. This is going to be good for you. Yeah, well, Big Dave Cross wasn't available, so they got me, medium-, David Cross, but had big, Dave Cross been.

That could've been really good for me. It could've been good, yeah. And now I'm, yeah. But Joe, what the show was is in the title, Big Break. And we didn't understand that, but the idea was that you would break somebody's bones, and that was, ha ha, isn't that funny? Jackass times 10

on steroids, you know. Yeah. Yeah. But it just, you know, I do feel I still get I still get letters about it. Like actual people writing a thing on a piece of paper putting it in a envelope, addressing it, stamping it, dropping it off post office. Yeah, and telling me that I envelope, addressing it, stamping it, and dropping it off post office. Yeah, and telling me that I've, you know, wait from St. Louis has to be right. Well, yeah. Yeah, that's where they still write letters, St. Louis. I mean, they're furious, and I can't believe it was on the air for as long as it was. 19 years. It's, that's, you know, if you calculate how many bones we broke. Do you think about that?

Well, it's the same pilot episode over and over again, you know. But it still sells, people still like to watch it. That little boy is now a young man and, you know, of legal age as a word. How many bones do you think you broke? A minor or somebody else's? Somebody else's. Well, I know, 12. And I'm including compound fractures.

I just think that, you know, at the time I thought it was funny. I still think it's funny. I don't think it's funny anymore. Well, because you're getting all the letters, I haven't gotten one letter. You know, they made me take a hammer to an old woman's femur. Yeah. That's not a prank. That's on camera. Well it's a prank. It's not a prank. She thought the hammer she couldn't see. Don't forget. I mean she couldn't see well. She could see that she wasn't makes me sick blind. She was legally blind, but I feel so in a court law. I mean you go, who's blind here? You know, I mean, it's hard to prove and disprove. You know, you need

a ophthalmologist and I just I just I came in there. Yeah, you know, and then the prank was so thin, you know, oh, I'm a carpenter. And the prank was so thin, you know, all I'm a carpenter. You know, and then, and I hammered on her femur. You know, she's screaming in pain. Yeah. You know, and then I, you know, they tell me I got that, you know, I got the blood in my ear. And they say, they say wink to camera. This woman's screaming in pain. And I'm winking to camera. Yeah. And that's on,

you know, that's that's why it's funny. And you know, you didn't have to hit her 10 times. I mean, that's, I think where the, we have an issue because she was screaming in pain. I think it was understood that you were supposed to hit her once and you're the one and the and we have it on tape. The blows got more of it's a comedy. It's dramatic and harder and you were kind of laughing crying at the same time. Whatever that's called. I think there's a term for it, but you were doing it was almost maniacal and we had to stop you. Don't forget that. We had to come in and actually restrain you. And you actually hit, uh, bright, bright, the, the, the, the sound guy. And that was the segment that Conan was in. Mm-hmm.

Well, we, we, he asked to be, uh, not Photoshopped, or what's that called the where you know the hologram didn't so we hologramed him in just like will I am at that one super bowl Yeah, I mean this doesn't haunt you what you've done You don't feel at all conflicted No, I think I think If I conflicted you do I think on one hand it's good American entertainment. And on the other hand, do I think it's base and awful and wrong? If that's your idea of conflict, then yeah. What's the worst thing?

What would you say is the worst thing you did on that show? um, I guess When there was the guy who thought he was the doctors without border guy who thought he was gonna win the award And then I came in and knocked his teeth out and took a dump in his mouth It's probably the worst thing top five Why what do you think? It was probably the worst thing. Top five. Why? What do you think?

Now, that one was pretty bad. And that one, you know, that one is the one that, you know. Oh, you know what else? Sorry. When the woman didn't know that we had put a ghost pepper in her breast milk and then what she gave it to her baby, that was pretty bad. That was a bad prank. See these things, you know, in retrospect, they're not funny. You know, these are sad, scary things. I disagree. I disagree. And at the time, I remember thinking, well, that's the funniest thing I've ever heard. Yeah. And it makes me question.

But they're not mutually exclusive. Something could be sad and scary and also be very funny. Well, the, I mean, the thing is, is that, well, that dumb, you took that, it was sped up footage, but that took you a long time. It did. Took you a long time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just horrible. Yeah. Yeah. But the blood did start to dry and cake around his mouth, so we had to freshen it up a little bit. Remember that. But that's why we won the Emmy for Hair and Makeup. You know, I'm glad, I'm always glad with a TV show, you know, to give people jobs.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that that was probably the best. That's, I mean, the Bravo network is responsible for employing most of America's idiots and a good chunk of them. And so it's always good. People complain about all those bravo shows, but like, you know, what would these people be doing without them?

These people are borderline, like, I'm going to say the R word. Okay, don't say the R word. I will say this. I don't think... Rich, I was going to say Rich. All right. Don't say that. I don't think... Rich, I was gonna say rich. All right. Yeah. Don't say that. Okay. Okay, so I just, I just think... Let me tell you this. Okay. This one I, I did feel a little

bit of... You know, question, I questioned it at the time. Okay. And I was too afraid to say anything. Okay. Because I was so young. Were you naked? No. No, no. So you're clothed and afraid? Yeah. All right. not as interesting. Mm-hmm. And I was, you know, it's really young in business. I was about probably 42. And I was told, you know, drive this crane until this building. Right. And I said, I don't know the joke. Can you explain the joke to me? And you know, and the writer of the show, he's, you know, he walked me through the joke. You know, it's kind of like, the crane is there to build the building.

And the fact that it's destroying the building, that's a joke. Well the joke part of it also is the people in the building didn't know what was going to happen. They're surprised. Yeah. And the maternity ward was on the third floor. So. And I do regret driving a crane into that hospital.

Well, I don't. I mean, I'm sorry you have letters coming to you, but it's just kind of fun to get mail though It's never I mean, you know mail was fun to open up. It's exciting. Hey Got a letter, right? You know, I just do I you know, I think so You know, it makes me question, you know my current projects You know, and if I'm judging these correctly to do these things. Are people getting hurt in your current projects?

Yeah. Okay, so there's hope. That's good. Well, you think that's... I think that's positive. Do you have anything you'd like to plug? This will probably come out in 2024. Anything upcoming?

I guess I have this show coming out. And basically I go into movie theaters and libraries where people are kind of focused on quiet. And I just scream at them. Okay, anything beyond that? That happens within the show? That no, that's kind of the base, that's kind of, it's kind of a super kind of me screaming at people who are quietly focused.

And it's an hour long? Hour and a half. Hour and a half, wow, okay. That's cool. Did this show take you around the stand. It'll be on Pluto. It what? It'll be on Pluto. Pluto TV. Pluto has its own TV. Wait, I don't understand. Pluto TV. Pluto has its own. No. Why would they have it? I don't get it. Pluto TV. I don't know what that is. Amadino Pluto TV. What is it? She doesn't know

either. Nobody knows what that is. It's really popular. Oh, but not can't what that is. Emma, do you know Pluto TV? What is it? She doesn't know either. Nobody knows what that is. It's really popular. Oh, but not can't be that popular. Judge Judy's on it. Who? Judge Judy. Judge Judy.

Pluto TV. I don't know. What is Pluto like the dog, the Disney dog? It's an app. It's an app. Why is it named Pluto? Because 2B was taken. Pluto is paying my mortgage.

Okay, I'm not done denigrating it. I just haven't heard. I'm paying my mortgage. That's great. Okay. Good for you. Okay. We have a huge house.

And that's a huge mortgage. I guess so. Well, that's a fancy area of town Little boring, but I got the only house in the park Your house is in central park. Mm-hmm. Got like the like the dairy thing the dairy farm Recreation over on the east side is it is it, I love that old like mid 19th century, I think it's a dairy farm or whatever, on the east side. You know what my address is?

Central Park Lane. One central park Lane. Wow, that's some fancy shit, Joe. Yeah. Well, you're really coming up. Yeah, well, that's Pluto. That's all thanks to Pluto. Okay, well, Joe. Yeah. Well, you're really coming up. Yeah, well, that's Pluto. That's all thanks to Pluto. Okay.

Well, good for something. You know, I think about, you know, my life and show business and I think about, you know, I do. I think a lot of people do. Yeah, I do think about kind of, you know, what my role has been and kind of prank comedy and kind of, you know, causing pain and discomfort, temper early, you know, for the good of the greater smile. And I think that, you know, I do regret quite a bit, but I guess I'm hoping to, I'm hoping to ultimately make enough smiles that overrides the pain.

Do you know how many smiles that would be? Well Pluto keeps track of smiles, so Pluto so far in the pilot of this show where I scream at people who are quietly focused. So far it's about 30% smiles. And where does that rank and what Pluto's looking for? Pluto is looking for 65% smiles. Oh, so you got to double it. More than double it.

You know, the show gets better as it goes along. That's usually true, the pilot episode. You have to a lot of exposition is laid out. So it's a little not as fun as some of the other episodes end up being because you got to you know Play the groundwork and explain characters and all that kind of stuff. So you don't regret anything you've done really in life Sure, I have lots of regret. Okay. Yeah I

was about a Happy year ago or so, two years ago, maybe somewhere between half a year ago and a year ago. I told, have you ever heard a head gum? Yeah, I told them, yeah, I'll do a pilot and I pitched this podcast. I should say, I told head gum that, yeah, I'll do a podcast. You regret.

I mean, you know, I've got numerous regrets. I kind of figured something was going to give me food poisoning and I ate it anyway and it did. I regret that. Bigger, something was gonna give me food poisoning and I ate it anyway and it did. I regret that. Yesterday, I ate eggs that were six months old. Did you do the test? Do you drop them in water? No.

Oh yeah, that's a real thing. You take, you know, you fill up a glass that that's, you know, with water, that'll hold egg. And if it sinks, it's okay to eat. If it floats, it means their air has gotten in. And then it's not, that's a simple old test to see if your eggs are still good. Didn't do it, just ate it.

Yeah. Well, that was yesterday and you seem okay. Of course I do. What do you mean, of course you do? Of course I do. I know, I heard you. What do you okay. Of course I do. What do you mean course you do? Of course I do. I know I heard you. What do you mean? Of course I do.

Seem okay. Well, I would never sabotage myself for an experience like this. Uh, but you were, sorry, you were kind of rolling the dice on the egg. I knew it would be fine. You knew it would be fine. You knew it would be fine. So not much of a story then. Who cares if it's six months, four months, eight months, if you knew you were going to be okay,

um, kind of takes away the, um, mystery part of the, I'll be honest with you, I'm taking a story telling class right now. You're what? I'm taking a story telling class. Oh, uh, have you had any classes yet? Yeah. Oh, four classes? You've done four.

Yeah. What do they teach you? What do they tell you not to do? Well, they say to say something pretty outrageous and then kind of wrap it up pretty quick. Are you going to do that at any point? Well, I just did that. Oh, with the A?

Yeah, that was the story of been kind of workshopping in the class. So what is your definition of outrageous? A egg that was six months old yesterday. Right, that's an example, but what is your definition of outrageous? The egg is six months old. That's your, if somebody said, hey, what does the definition of outrageous? The egg is six months old That's your if somebody said hey, what does the word outrageous mean? You would say well the egg is six months old That's your that's how you would define out radius you want me to define the word But you don't even know Jojo glass you want me to define the word outrageous. I don't think it's it's okay

I need to know who Jojo glasses word outrageous. I don't think it's incumbent upon me to know who JoJo glasses. No, I'll say outrageous. Okay, it means wacky wild and there was a chocolate bar named after it featuring peanuts, chocolate, caramel, and nuget. I just want to go back a second. So part of the definition of outrageous is the word wacky. So in order for something to be outrageous, it must be wacky. Define wacky. Crazy. So it has to be crazy? Yeah, is that a statement or a question? Question. Oh, the answer is no. There's your answer. Have you ever had an outrageous candy bar? I've had a couple of what you would call it, so we're outrageous. What you would call it, so different from outrageous. But they're outrageous.

But outrageous trademark Hershey is very good. I don't think I've ever heard of the candy bar outrageous. Yeah, an orange wrapper. No, I don't remember it. What should we call it was in the red wrapper? Tanned, tan, tan. Oh, what an unappealing color choice for a candy. Oh, with a name like that, you got to tame it down with the wrapper color. Yeah, what should we call it?

Those were fun. Do you remember marathon bars? I don down with the rapper color. Yeah, what you gonna call it? Those were fun. Do you remember marathon bars? I don't. Well, Joe. Yeah. Or JoJo for long. We've come to the part of the podcast where I'm gonna ask you a question posed by my daughter.

Okay. And here is the question. Okay. So my daughter, there it is, Marla would like to know, Joe Firestone, what makes shade? So great question. Basically, it's kind of like if you kind of say something with attitude and or if you're blocking a sun or the lamp. Okay, I'm going to try to repeat that. So, what makes Shay the answer is something about So what makes shade? The answer is something about attitude. And then, or if you're blocking the sun or a lamp.

Okay. Shade. Shade. You can stick with that. I don't know what any other answer. Okay. What makes shade? And then you're sticking with it.

Okay. Eves. Eves, sure. And Eve would make shade. Yeah. Visors. Visor. Yep.

Brims. Brim, part of the visor, or the visor family is part of the brim, brim family. And I think it may be lean to's. Lean to's okay there you go. All right Marlo there's your the answer to your question what makes shade. And I actually have a question from my daughter to you. Okay. My daughter's name is Rachel. Okay. And Rachel asks,

Okay. What is the difference between a scarf and a muff? Rachel wants to know the difference between a scarf and a muff. Okay. And keep in mind, my daughter's six and your daughter's 21. But okay, Rachel, a difference between a scarf and a muff, I believe a scarf is a elongated strip of fabric that is designed to warm your neck, keep your neck warm. There are multiple ways to shape it so that it'll remain on and you can have a lot of warmth or a little

bit of warmth depending on the shape and where you put it. A Muff, I think, is designed for your hands to keep... it's for like rich people to keep just their hand. They don't want to put it in their pocket, so they can't be bothered with that. So they have a... they pay a lot of money to and kill and skin an animal and then and skin and animal, and then line the animal carcass with silk, and then they make kind of a tubular thing that can fit your hands. I'll try to get that all back to Rachel. Okay. We'll tell her this episode will come out in... 2024? Or 2025, 2024 or 2025. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I think you might stumble upon the answer on her own

Is something happened that you want to postpone it a year? This episode I just wanted to plug my show. Oh go go right ahead. No, I already plugged it. Yeah Okay, so if we're listening to this in 2025 show check out Joe Firestones canceled show What is it called? Scream and screaming at the folks It might not be canceled, Pluto might.

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