Senses Working Overtime with David Cross - Negin Farsad

Episode Date: February 15, 2024

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This is a headgum podcast. I'm doing your show sometime soon. Sometimes, yeah. Nice. The uh, the silent. Yes. Fake the nation. Have I done it before? I did, right?

Oh I did. You've done it like three or four times. Get out of here, really? You don you've done it like three or four times. Get out of here, really? You don't remember doing my show three or four times. It's the war that's creeping me up. You've actually over the last four or five years, you've done it multiple times. I apologize.

Wait a minute. This like set up where you're talking to, well it's probably been over Zoom. It's been over Zoom. Every time, I apologize. Wait a minute. This like set up where you're talking to, well it's probably been over Zoom. It's been over Zoom. Oh, every time I think. Okay, that makes sense. So maybe that's tripping you up? I don't know. Well, the thing is like during,

when COVID started, I was starting to do a bunch of press for this movie that I had done called The Dark Divide. And I think I had two things that came out around then, but then they couldn't have screenings or anything like that. So the amount of Zoom podcasts that I did for stroma was quadrupled what it would normally be. So everything was done. So I apologize if I got you. No, no, that's okay. But I mean, I did so many. But also, because confusingly,

we've also been on some lineups in person at like the bell house. Oh yeah, I know that, but I'm not. I was specifically about fake the nations. What you do here, right? Yeah, yeah. Right, what's over here? What's usually there?

It just says head gum. Yeah, normally, yeah. Again, you gotta get your art out. I know, I know, what are we doing? Gotta get your art out. You know what's interesting is, I have been thinking about changing my art for like a very long time.

My show's been going on since 2016. Well, sounds like you don't have any art. No, I know. I know, it's just like me and my handwritten. No, we have art. It's just like, it's just old, you know? The podcast has been going since 2016, so it's like, you know. Oh, so you only have a few years left of your... I know it's obligatory for every United States citizen above the age of 18 to have a podcast.

To have a podcast, right. And then I get to retire. Your service is over. Yeah, you're a choir. I get to the age of 18. To like power podcast, right. And I get to retire. Your service is over. Yeah, I get to retire out of it. And then do I get up some sort of, is it part of my social security check? Exactly, yeah. Like my podcasting here. Yes, you get a can of soup every other week.

Yeah, yeah. No, it's funny because I- Except, I have to make sure I say this, except for Amy's vegetarian lentil. It's not on the list. That Oh my gosh, that's not included. Wait, is this your first podcast? Yeah, it's my only podcast. I, look, I went into this.

I was not, I also don't, and I don't say this in any kind of with judgment or denigration, but I just don't listen to podcasts. Like I know a bunch of people, my wife included who listen to a lot of podcasts and I listened at her behest, I listened to Serial, which I listened to maybe three episodes. Oh, you didn't get sucked into the whole. I didn't. I didn't. And then she had me, we were driving during COVID, we drove down to Atlanta,

my daughter who was, I guess four at the time was COVID. And we just drove to my family, because that was back towards the beginning where like who knows how long it's gonna go. And we would get together every summer and my sister and sister-in-law get a, they have a boat so they get a lake house at Lake Lanier and we'd go there for like five days.

It's awesome. Yeah. And we couldn't fly obviously. So we drove down and there was a lot of availability to listen to longer podcasts. And as we all know, three-year-olds love a podcast. She was fascinated by... Do I see?

No. Well, when my wife and I would... She's a true crime gal? Yeah, she's true crime. My wife and I would switch off driving and then I'd listen on the earbuds. Oh, got you, got you. And it was called the rabbit hole or rabbit hole. It was the New York Times, maybe the Daily affiliated and it's fucking great. Oh, I've never heard of it. It's so good and

so well produced. It's really smart. It's like one story? Yeah, I think there's six episodes. It's not one story. It's really smartly done. It's not one story. It's really smartly done. And I apologize for not knowing the specifics of it, but these guys are kind of narrating over their audio of them, approaching a guy they got in contact with, who's I believe in West Virginia, and he was a guy who got, you know, the prototype of the guy who got sucked into the QAnon, step by step, didn't start immediately. And he's really kind of soft-spoken, well-spoken, and is just telling you what happened. Then it cuts to the French guy who worked at, I can't remember which one, Google I think, and came up with the, basically invented the algorithm. That fucks people up. That fucks people up. And he now speaks against it. And I think

he was fired. Oh, for speaking against it? Yeah, for raising questions. Oh, this is so it's like all the angles on this thing. Yeah, then there's an episode, then all of a sudden, PewDiePie is part of it. Right. And then it keeps coming back around to this guy. And then it ends in the most heartbreaking way with a woman, an older woman, like, you know,

I don't know, middle-aged, 50, I don't know what middle-age is anymore, who gets sucked in does not come out. And it's just, it's amazing, it's fascinating, and again, it's so smartly- Oh, now I want to listen to it. Yeah, and I'll... Emma! Google... Oh, there you are.

Google Rabbit Hole Podcast Audio Re-Nigine-Farsad. She has to also put in the Google Re-N for some to see what is the vent diagram of me and that podcast specifically. You'll be surprised how responsible for the algorithm you are. By the way, so I went to a mushroom retreat. I went from our travel magazine, hired me to go to a mushroom retreat and trip balls, whatever.

So I did that. Which travel magazine is this? It's a FAR magazine and the piece is coming out on December 4th. How do I get it? How do I get that plum juicy assignment? I mean, it's the wildest assignment I've ever gotten. And they specifically wanted a comedian to do it. So anyway, so it was wild. Please tell me before we go any further,

tell me what it involved. What do you did? Yeah. So I went to Jamaica where psilocybin is legal. Okay. It was never even illegal. It's just been legal and they've embraced it as like a travel thing. The Amsterdam of mushrooms.

Exactly. They're the Amsterdam of mushrooms. And also I think Amsterdam is also the Amsterdam mushrooms. And so you go there, this was a week long retreat. Yeah. A week. Holy. Yeah.

So you arrive like that night, you sort of meet the, it was nine perfect strangers, and you meet the other strangers, there's an awkward dinner. And then the next day, you like dish all of your like problems in life and there are people there that were like, I have a gorophobia and another one's like, I have this level of trauma from like this kind of assault and like just horrible stuff. Is it put out there as a treatment or?

Yeah, as like a therapeutic treatment. And then, and I was like, I'm here because I got a gig. You know what I mean? But and then I'm gonna write about you guys. Yeah, like literally, that shouldn't fuck you up when you're tripping. I know. Keep in mind, I have my eye on you. I'm going to be very observant and I'm taking notes and we then they give us three grams of mushrooms, which just to give you an idea of what that means, like a party dose is like 0.5 or one gram. Oh dude, I have taken,

Oh so you know. A lot of mushrooms at my time. Okay, this was my first time. Oh, you'd never done it before? I had never done it before. Yeah. And so to start. I was gonna say three is a,

that's about what we would take. You'd get like a- What, you would do three grams? You would get an eighth, right? Yeah. And then you'd kind get an eighth, right? Yeah. And then you'd kind of divvy them up. Yeah. So I'm not sure what an eighth...

Divvies up to? Yeah, but it was... I know by, pretty much by side, maybe three grams. How much was three grams? No, I do not think you were doing three grams. Okay. Because then you would have literally gone into another universe.

Tell me the, like, if you put it in your hand, how big it would be. Several capsules because they are professionals that do not use... Oh, we would get them in two of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. We were using capsules. Elegant. We were elegant.

And then we would, and they would set us up in these little areas and then we would trip for like four or five hours. But there were facilitators and therapists and nurses. Four or five hours, that's it? Yeah, of like intense tripping. Yeah, yeah. And when they'd stay- And they'd make us wear eye masks and listen.

What? Yeah, cause they want you to go inside. Oh God, no. The point is therapy, the point is not to have a good time. And it was, for the record, my entire first trip, I spent five hours crying. Yeah, I cried the entire time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's not what and did you find anything therapeutic about it after it was over? Oh, yeah. I mean, because

apparently I've been carrying some shit. Well, who has? Right, right, right. But you learned you're a crybaby. I learned. Yeah, well, I mean, I don't want to brag, but I also spent a majority of the second trip crying, and I spent a good part of the third trip crying. So like, I'm showing off by the end about how good I am at doing that. Did you have to replace your masks as they were sopping wet? Literally, I would lay them out at the end of the day because they were wet. They were quite wet. And then feral raccoons would come over.

Yeah, it would come nibble on it. This sounds terrible, but also maybe a thing you just have to get through and then you break this barrier and then you're like, oh, I understand what life's about. Well, because, so there's a couple, I mean, okay, as a parent, I'll tell you one little thing that I was carrying around. I know, no, this is turning into the psychology pod. But I know the one little thing that I,

my brain kept taking me to Morocco and my husband was on husband had a job there. He was in the last season of Homeland. So he was shooting in Morocco for like three or four months when my baby, the first six months of her life. So I was- He wasn't around. He wasn't around a lot.

Oh, that's terrible. Yeah, it was really rough. For everybody involved. Yeah, exactly. And so I went to Morocco. I took the baby to Morocco for like 10 days when we visited. And while we were there, we were at a hotel and I was making a cup of tea and I was standing too close to the kettle and I burned her finger on the kettle. Okay, so she's like six weeks old.

Oh. Right? And I lost my mind, obviously, and I hated myself. But here's the crazy thing. I had no memory of that happening. Like if you had said to me, tell me about Morocco, I would not have remembered that happened because after it happened, my brain shoved it into a place. And when I came back to New York, I was crazy.

I kept thinking I was going to, like the stroller was going to pop out of my hands. I kept thinking I was gonna like this the stroller was gonna pop out of my hands I kept thinking I was gonna drop her I had all these crazy anxiety feelings I call my OB and they're like you have postpartum anxiety. It's very normal, but but it was all triggered from this like finger burning or whatever and so my trip takes me back to Morocco I had to experience the whole thing again and I had another Another understanding of it and this is so embarrassing. My understanding was parents make mistakes. Oh, I thought you were going to say it was her fault.

Yeah, that bitch. No, just that parents make mistakes, and then I made a mistake. That's what happens. And all of my realizations were the bottom of a kitten poster, all of them. Right. This is affirmations? Yeah, 100%. But it's stuff that you know to be true, but you don't fully in your body know to be true. Right. Well, I could have told you any of those things. Well, no, exactly. But I would have intellectually understood those things if you told them to me. But I and I would have intellectually understood those things if you told it to me,

but I would not have emotionally understood them. Right. Well, can I make a strong suggestion? Please. Don't see Rain Man. Wait, I've seen Rain Man. Well, unsee it. But why would...

Oh, wait, now you can. You can see it now because you tripped on the mushrooms and had that revelation. Yeah, wait, why? What happens in Rain Man that I should see? What are you fucking kidding me? It's the whole premise of the movie. Is that parents make mistakes?

What? It's he the old the... I don't remember. I was a child. What happens in the movie? He, uh, you saw Rain Man as a child? I'm my parent. Yeah, my... What? You're kind of... First of all, I was a latchkey kid. Okay, this is the 80s.

This is the 90s. Nobody was around. I was managing myself. There was a lot of inappropriate viewing. But also, I don't remember. When did that? I don't even know when. But it was many years ago.

So what happened? It was. So he's, Dustin Hoffman is severely autistic and is a savant with numbers. Right, I remember. So he takes- It's counting toothpicks. Right, right.

And he just knows, you know. And Tom Cruise, after this happens like a second time, like susses it out, he's like, hey, I know what we're doing, we're gonna take him to Vegas and he's gonna count cards. And then at the very, it's really good. It's a good movie.

And then- I believe it won a few Oscars even. It would definitely won a Clio. Possibly a BAFTA. Not a BAFTA, an OB and a webby. So after Vegas, he realizes. So there's a big dramatic revelation that Rainman, he's not saying Rainman, he's saying Raymond, which is the guy's name, but he was running a bath

and he burned, he put too much hot water or something like that for the brother. And he burned Tom Cruise. So I can't remember who, somebody burned somebody, burned he put too much hot water or something like that for the brother to Traum Cruz So I can't remember who somebody burned somebody but yeah I think he burned Tom Cruz when he was a little baby and then he this is sounding right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I Could be wrong about no, that's right. I should rewatch but and also on watch a lot of crime man

Yeah, well, that's like, I mean, it's fun. It is a small, it's like a small thing, right? But it lodges itself in your, you know, in your memory. Sure. It's like something. When you say that, I wonder if there's something, you know, I certainly, when my daughter was young, I, you know, did some things that, again, are mis- I dangled her over outside, I dangled her over outside. I dangled her.

Over a balcony in like Germany. A balcony in Paris. I think we were in Paris. In Paris, okay. And I just wanted to show everybody the bottom of her foot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and I don't speak, I mean, I speak a tiny, a little bit of French, but,

I don't speak, I mean, I speak a tiny little bit of French, but, because it sounded like people were saying, show me your infant daughters the bottom of her right foot. And I was like, all right, because I don't know that much French. So I went and grabbed her and I wiggled her around, wiggled her around, but I remember that, you know? Because paparazzi was there, it was weird. And then fucking that fucking piece of shit,

Michael Jackson stole it from me. He did it and he stole it. He did it and he stole it. That was your bit. That was my thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. Dangled my kid over the balcony.

In different countries. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just showed the bottom of her right foot. Is it like, is the bottom of her right foot like super? Is that where, is it gross? It's not gross, it's got a smiley face on it. Oh, gosh, you're okay, opposite. Yeah, I had it tattooed when she was young.

Yeah, that's when you do a tattoo. It's kind of like getting your ears pierced when you're like a baby that it hurts less. Like it's a good idea. I mean, yeah, they say it hurts less, but who knows? I know, I don't know. a good idea. I mean, yeah, they say it hurts less, but who knows? I know, I don't know.

So continue with the tripping because you only got to three days. So did you trip every single night? No, that would be crazy because as you've done it, you don't know what amount. So I did the three grams and then the next day you do this like kind of group therapy again. Everyone compares notes. Sounds like a fucking nightmare. You don't like that situation? I hate that shit.

I think I'd much rather group therapy than just me therapy. Oh, no way. And my wife's from Southern California, from Santa Monica. As am I from Palm Springs? Well, that's different. It is different, but I'm also from Southern California. Right. That's why I got it more geographically specific to Santa Monica, so people don't think, oh, Palm Springs. Yeah, they immediately assume, yeah.

Yeah. Um, so she's from Santa Monica, which makes her wet. Uh, you know, they're very kind of, there's a lot of woo-woo, tarot, crystal, wellness, moon juice, you know, culty, weird bullshit down there, of that stuff. And a lot of essential oils. A lot of... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Earning of sage. Yeah, she's got that up in her office and I... And this is established well before I ever met her, but I have a very strange, I think, very strong immediate reaction to the smell of burning sage. I will get nauseous and I'm not kidding.

Really? Yeah, I get really, like it just, my stomach starts to come up. And I only know this because when we were doing Mr. Show, we had a sketch called The Last Indian, I believe. And when we were casting for it, we were in this like kind of, you know, just some shitty studio, small enclosed space, no windows, little conference room thing, and people would come in and read for it. And one guy came in and started, and there, little conference room thing, and people would come in and read for it. And one guy came in and started, and there's like three of us, like me and Dino and Bob Odenkirk, I mean Bill Odenkirk and Dino Stamptopoulos. And we're like there,

you know, casting the guy. And this guy came in, actor, and he had, he started burning sage and I almost threw up, and I know it's directly from that, which I had never really spelled before. Wait, the actor had to burn sage as a part of the audition? No, no, no, he just came in to show his Bonafide days. I see, I see, I see. He burned his Native American sage. Right, I see, I see.

And then that just immediately made me... I mean, did you actually throw up? No, I didn't. I had to leave the room. Yeah. And I never experienced that. And then... What a weird... It's like an allergy. It kind of... It's an immediate reaction. And then when years later, many years later, I went into the hair makeup trailer on Arrested development to go, you know, just get touched up or something Somebody was burning sage. I took two steps in I was like And I had to leave and I explained like I don't know why I wish it wasn't this way

But I cannot smell that without like a gag reaction. That's so weird. It's like your cilantro Yeah, but it's not just taste. I've also never heard of that. I've never heard of anyone being like I can't. Nor have I. Nor have I. Very strange. Yeah, so I really can't stand it. And, um, but, you know, they'll go and my wife and my mother-in-law,

they'll like sage if there's a new space, you know, the house, they're gonna sage it and they, whatever that's called, you know, like getting rid of the spirits or some shit. The evil eye, yeah, yeah, yeah. The fucking thing. And so they gotta sage it and whatever. Hey, we've all been there rummaging through pipes,

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The whole thing that you're describing does, but group therapy as a whole, I've never participated so I don't know but I would imagine I would not like it. I don't mind when I want therapy. Yeah, I think that's good. I think what I like about it is hearing, I mean, you know, is just a little bit, I guess, just like the the storyteller in me. Just likes to hear, I just like to hear people. You just like stage time. You gotta have some stage time. Oh yeah. I mean, any more places to work out material and group therapy is it. No, it's just like it's fun to hear people's weird things, you know? People have so many weird things. Yeah.

And then if they're in a situation like that, everyone's just airing it, you know? Like it's... It makes your weird thing feel less weird in music, I guess? Yeah, it definitely makes my weird thing feel less weird. Or it's just like, oh, I thought my weird thing was just specific to me. Turns out everybody has it. Everybody's burned their baby's fingers. But like, you know, or just that like it's an interesting story or like

people's parent, people talk a lot about their parents, obviously, that comes up with a shit ton and it's interesting to hear. I think about that, you know, I think your kid might be slightly younger held as your- She's four. She's four, yeah, mine's six. And I just think about, man, what am I doing right now that I'm not even aware of? That's gonna scar her forever. That I think is fine.

That's going to mess her up. Yeah, yeah. And I guess we'll find out in 18 years or so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll find out. When she starts writing a solo show about... God, I hope not. I hope. I was like, I hope she's like a lesbian pianist.

Oh, that's specifically what you want. Okay. Well, what I really wanted before she was born was if it was gonna be a girl. I wanted a boy. Just because I've been surrounded by women my entire life. Oh, gosh. So you were just like, oh, another one. And wait, it was fine. I mean, either way, I was gonna be happy, but I wanted to have, if it was a girl,

the first female starting pitcher for the Boston Red Sox. Oh, specifically? Yeah, that was my dream. That was my fantasy. And I wanted to get her into baseball, and I took her to a cyclones game last summer Did it resonate a? Little bitch. He had fun. She had a lot of fun. There were some of her friends there and you know I don't know if you've ever seen a cyclones game. I've seen a Yankees game. Yeah, that's not the same okay

They are two teams that play baseball, but at shockingly different levels. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I have not seen the Cyclones game. They're like low, low, low single A and the game was terrible, but but fun. It was just so much fun and because if you go see minor league games, they just fill everything with noise and now we have the hot dog race and now there's this and there's this constantly stuff happening in between even a batter coming up like just music and contest and you know, whatever. And it was really, really fun.

I can't wait to go again. But she was, you know, asking me questions about what was happening. Yeah. And that was great. But yeah, that was my... So your indoctrination effort may still work? Maybe. I tried to get her to watch at home, but she's...

And I don't... I think she has to play, right? Yeah, but I mean, yeah, she's more at this early stage has more of a arts and crafts sensibility. Unless, I mean, she's very athletic, she's super fast and beats the shit out of me. Just beats the fucking shit out of me. I mean, I mean, stupidly,

we enrolled her in Taekwondo classes and it was like self-coupled., we enrolled her in Taekwondo classes. Yeah, mine's in Taekwondo too, yeah. Are you in Park Slope or Gowanus? No, I still live in the East Village. Are you still at the same? No, I moved up the street, but yeah. Yeah, so Nagin and I lived in the same building. Yes.

141 East Third Street. It's a good building. It's a great building. That's how we met, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did your film. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the Muslims are coming. Yeah. Yeah. And also, do you, well, do you remember how you agreed to that? Yes, I had to do laundry. No. No? No, I wrote a letter to you and slipped it under your door asking you if you would sit for an interview for this film. Right. And then I said at the end, I said, we can do the interview in the comfort of your home

or the comfort of my home or you know, the laundry room. And then, which was a joke to me. And you were like, let's do it in the laundry room. So yeah, that was a joke to me, and you were like, let's do it in the laundry room. Yeah, that's more interesting to me, and I had to do laundry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely it was more interesting. So there is like just some laundry gently sitting in the background of the shot.

But also it's like a shitty laundry room. It was at the basement of this pre-war building with machines that didn't work, that were broken. And a cat running around. And a cat, and like the super was down, you know, his officer. It was just really kind of, you know, Chernobyl looking. And also like, you know, we had no point to address it or anything. It's just that of all the interviews in the film.

That's the way to do it. Yours is in the laundry room. That's the way. Yeah, that's, I honestly, it's like one of my proudest film moments. Okay. All right. Um, what were we talking about the... Yeah, that's I honestly it's like one of my proudest film moments. Okay What we're talking about the Ty Quondo she beats the shadow you and and it just made her Kicks more

Stronger and can reach higher places and and I mean she winds up and luckily I have that I I can't remember what it's called, but about two or three years ago, the fat in my stomach started to harden, whatever that's called, like beer belly. Yeah, yeah, it's a real thing. Like beer bellies are that fat hardened? It's when the fat you have, it's not, it's like, it's like, it just gets like right now my stomach is-

Like very hard. It's hard, yeah. And so I- That's, I just questioned, that's bad, right? That's not good. That's not good. Okay, got you. Like if you wanted to make-

In this case- Turn that into a six pack. It would take extra work. Okay, got you. That I'm not willing to put in. Got you, okay. So when, but when she hits you, it's like a cushion? It's like a barrier.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, and I can take a punch now in the stomach, still glass draw. Yeah. Yeah. But, but stomach, I mean, it's just, you're going to hurt your hand.

Right. It's one of those things. That's impressive. Yeah. Um, I guess it, was it a lot of beers that did it? Well, you know, it's the last couple tours. You know, I've been touring since, and I've always, up until 10 years ago, I'd say, been able to, my metabolism was quick and I was always able to eat and drink whatever I want

and I was relatively skinny and then metabolism starts shifting and changing and then when I was, the first time I noticed it I was in London to do the increasingly poor decisions of Todd Margaret and I, when we weren't shooting, when we were just writing and doing pre-production, you know, you go out to the pub at 5.30 and you're- Well, that's the least healthy I've ever been in my life is when I lived in London. So that's what happened, yeah. And I put on more weight than I ever had and I felt it was really uncomfortable and I was like, and I had to go on a diet in like a real specific way. And now, before I go on a tour...

You pre-game with a diet? And I did it this time. I got down to 157. Ideal weight is 155. And I got to 157.5, knowing that... It would go up. Oh, I mean, touring? I mean, it's just the worst,

I'm not saying anything that has been said a million times. Right, but the interesting thing about touring for me is that the easiest access food is terrible, but I also kind of can't consume it. Like I find it too disgusting now. My mouth, I feel like the fast food stuff leaves a fill. Well I'm drunk, that's the other thing, is I drink during the show, I don't drink before stuff leaves a fill. That's the other thing is I drink during the show.

I don't drink before the show. I drink during the show. I'm doing an hour and a half usually. And so I'm three beers and then I was doing on this last tour meet and greets where I would do a shot with everybody, have more beers, then I'd go out. Me and Sean Patton, it was opening,

we'd go out and hit the bars. And this is four nights in a row, and then you get back to your hotel room, and I've got potato chips and some cheese sticks that I found, and they're like, oh, there's cheese sticks. All right, and whatever, and then I'll have a bottle of wine. I mean, it would- Wait, okay, you can'll have a bottle of wine. I mean, it would- Oh, wait, okay.

You can- Not a bottle, but- Wake up and feel fine after doing all that? I never said that. Oh, okay. I wouldn't say I feel fine, but I'm very, very, very, very used to it. And I can, you know, I can manage.

I can do everything that- Wow, I stopped drinking. I mean, and look, all I'm doing is going to, I'm going to the airport, I'm getting up, getting in a taxi or a lift, going to the airport, going through security, waiting. Yeah, I mean, there's not a lot to do, or driving, drive three and a half hours to the next gig, whatever, and it's the kind of thing even if I do,

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says you should walk 10,000 steps or something like that. But I would like murder 10,000. Is it 10? I don't remember what the number is. Yeah, but it's 10,000 steps up. Up the skyscraper. So, every person, the World Health Organization has recommended that every person get at least should climb the Empire State Building.

Once a day. Once a day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you come down the next, you camp out, have a little snack. And then come down the next day and do it all over. Come down the next day and that's your thing and go to work. Yeah. I murder that. I do it all the time. And so I meet the threshold.

So I just, and it was burning, it was like, you know, draining my battery life or something. So I just like turned it off. But I was also like, well, like living in New York, you just like have so many steps naturally. Like it's, it's just like become exercise. I don't need a fucking car. Yeah, I mean, minimum two, unless there's a lot of work where I have to sit down or whatever.

Yeah, minimum, just running errands and shit. Two miles and on a good day, five to seven. And then I bike every, when I'm doing shows, I bike everywhere, I ride my bike. So, you know, when you're on the road, you don't get that opportunity. No, you don't. And it's also interesting, I mean,

age is such a cruel companion because, you know, my husband just turned 40 and- How old are you? I'm in that range. And he like doesn't like, he, so he used to be able to eat whatever and he was also like a college football player. And so he just kind of ate whatever, always athletic, no problems. And now he's like eating a lot, but then it's just not immediately going away. And it's like lead it, you know, it's, it's interesting because he just kind of, I think

also he thought because he's an athlete, it's just forever. This is my body forever. I get to have a great body or whatever. And it's like, no, like it stops doing that right around now. Yeah, that's right. You know, and yeah, it's rough. It's a rough realization. Then yeah, that's what I think, you know, obviously, that's, it's a good time for a midlife crisis. Well, I mean, if you, you know, get your shit straight, if it helps, yeah. But I'm assuming he doesn't drink a lot. No, he doesn't drink at all. That makes it worse. Neither of us drink. We

I like one glass of wine every two months. Oh man weird Yeah, yeah, yeah. What does that glass of wine like? I mean I do obviously elicit drugs. Psychedelic, I've done so many different things. It's alright. And I've done and I do weed very Infrequently, but I will do it and so there you go. I used to smoke a lot and I just can anymore. And I haven't for a long, long time, really. But also, it doesn't mix well.

Like, I will, if I get high and drink, it's just not a good combo. Well, like, I wasn't really ever into it, and then I had a really bad breakup and I was crying a ton. I was like, I had been with this guy for like very many years, blah, blah, blah. So my friend was like, oh my God, you know, you should just become a pothead. It'll stop the tears.

And I was like, fantastic idea. How do I become such a thing? I started like watching YouTube videos and how to roll a joint. I wanted to be a good student of the practice. What? I'm such a nerd. I was like, can I procure an amount of marijuana, please? I obtained some marijuana. I had my processes in order. and I got high the first night, and I was like, oh, this is great, I'm not crying, this is fun.

And then the next night, I did it again, and then the third night, I forgot, and I was like, oh, I forgot, okay, and then the fourth night, I forgot, I was like, oh, damn it. And I was like, do I set an alarm clock or something to remind myself to do pot. And you are a weirdo. I know.

And so, and I really tried and it just like didn't stick you know what I mean. It just didn't stick as a thing for me to do frequently. Yeah, well you don't have to. What about edibles? And then edibles, I feel like I've obviously done them, but they just don't hit at the right point, or I haven't figured out the magic recipe of when to take it, when I wanna feel good.

They're trickier because you can't, like if you smoke a bowl, you've got a pretty good sense of when that high is gonna peak and when it's going to go away. With edibles, you just, it's a little more of a crapshoot. I was living in Paris for, I've lived in Paris here and there for a couple of years. And I was like waiting tables and I was teaching English and I went to the Selban for a minute and whatever. And they do, they do hashish, right? Like that's their version. And in a friend of mine, I was like, oh, if I didn't

want to smoke this, how else could I take it? And they were just like, oh, just like melted in some butter over a stove and then just put the butter on a baguette. Right. Just a very French way of doing an edible. And so I did. Well, it's got a baguette in it. Yeah, exactly. Very French. So I did that and I thought I was just, again, I just had no concept of the amount, you know what I mean? And so I put some vague amount on the stove, whatever I ate it, and then I truly fell to my knees

on a bridge over the the Sen. Like I was just like, whoa, I was so out of my mind and like had to be carried home. So yeah, I'm just, I'm not good at figuring out amounts. Yes, I've done that. I've made that mistake with the same thing with Hash and making brownies. And it was only much, much later was like,

oh wow, I have no idea how much that is and how much I put in and what, and it was not a bad experience, but it wasn't great. And we were in Vegas, it was me and a bunch of friends had gone out from LA and I mean, I couldn't talk at one point, I just had to be led around the casino. And then with... This is so embarrassing. I'm not going to tell you the whole story because it's really, really embarrassing. But I used to do a bunch of drugs and delivery services are the best thing in the whole world.

And my guy, I wanted to get some... This is in Vegas? No, no, no. That was a different story. Okay, so this is here now. This is here a long time ago before my daughter was born. And so my guy, who is my guy, I texted what I wanted. It's all code words. I'm like, cotton candy and you know, whatever and

And he sends his guy and he rings the bell and you know He goes oh, they didn't have cotton candy. So we gave you some Snapping pops or whatever the code was I was like, oh, all right. And he had a card that I had gotten a long time ago with the- A punch card every time you thought the last joint was free? That would be awesome though. No, a lit of what everything meant.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, salt and pepper is heroin and da-da-da is this and da-da-da is that. So it's a whole list, right? And I go, oh, okay. He was like, do you want it? And I was like, yeah, sure. And I had my money anyway.

Oh my God, I'm so nervous for where this story is going. Okay. So it was ketamine. Ah, that's where I thought this was going. So it's ketamine, which I had only done once. And it was one of those things that it just, I'm not a downer guy at all. Much more of an upper guy. I had done it once in London and I just,

it didn't do a whole lot. It's like a powder, what does it look like? I've never even seen it in a farm. It's like a Chris Lee powder. Oh, gotcha. And then, okay, so you, right. So you just took it without knowing. Yes, and the same fucking mistake.

And I was by myself. Oh, God. I was by myself. That's probably for the best. And I forgot to take my dog out for a whole... I mean, I was so fucked up. How long? Oh, God.

It was... It probably was... 12 hours, something like that, I'm going to say. Jesus Christ! So your dog didn't poop outside for 12 hours? Oh, longer than that. I probably had taken, no, I had taken, I'm saying the whole trip was like, and I wouldn't call it a trip so much, but it was just a miserable, terrible experience.

And I went and I, there was some in the packet left and I just flushed it down the toilet and was like, I'm never doing this again. This was awful. Yeah. Well, my experience with ketamine is because that's what they gave me during my C-section. Did you go to a doctor in Jamaica? No, my body wouldn't handle, it's funny, I do stand up about this, but like my body, they gave me an epidural like what they do generally for C-section to numb your bottoms and it just looked like-

Oh, you have more than one bottom? Oh my gosh. I do all of the bottoms, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what makes me special. How many bottoms do you have? I've got about four bottoms. Oh, you have more than one bottom? I do all of the bottoms. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what makes me special. How many bottoms do you have? I've got about four bottoms. Oh, no kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so they gave me a bunch of epidural,

like they tap your spine, right? So they like did that like three or four times and it just like didn't go everywhere. Like the material was supposed to numb everything, just wouldn't numb everything. And did they know that before they started? No, they learned in the process that I have like the material is supposed to numb everything, just wouldn't numb everything. Did they know that before they started? No, they learned in the process that I have

very fibrous skin. But wait, so did they start to make an incision? So, oh yeah, so they did. So they go, can you feel that? I mean, I was like, I mean, I think I can feel it. Like it doesn't feel, it's not like the most clear. Was it a scheduled see? Did you know you were gonna it doesn't feel, it's not like the most clear. Was it a scheduled scene? Did you know you were gonna have that?

No, it was after like 24 hours of misery or like whatever feeling all of the pain and then trying to open my cervix with like a car wrench. And it was like a very, it was a very, very difficult day. And which has also ended up being a part of one of my mushroom trips because that was one of the traumas. And so at the end- Oh boy, this sounds terrible.

So it was terrible. And so- No wonder you burned your kid's finger. I get it now. And so like I, so, but they really tried every medieval. It was like Theon Greyjoy, right? In Game of Thrones. Like that's what they did to me.

I haven't seen it. Oh, spoilers. It was just like medieval torture, basically. And then at the end, they were like, okay, we have to do a C-section. So then they tried the epidural, but it's like my body didn't take the epidural. And so, although it was terrible.

It was terrible. I did vomit a lot. Anyways, and then it was like you and Sage. And then they were like, okay, we're going to have to put you under order to give you ketamine. And I was just like, what? Am I supposed to, are we at a rave? What's happening?

And so I didn't know that ketamine was even in use for this kind of thing. What's a horse tranquilizer? Yes. And I am a horse, a four-bottomed horse. And so, yeah, and it's interesting because... Were they able to play like chemical brothers or Daptbonker, or Skrillex? Well, Skrillex actually delivered the special K

into my body, so that worked out. But it was a... I hated it because it's like, I don't know what yours was like, but it's like I went into multiple dimensions of space and time and like I constantly, it was like very existential and like I just was questioning existence constantly and I couldn't tell what century or time I was in. Time was weird and fluid and simultaneous and multiversal. And it was just horrible. And then I actually woke up in the middle of my C-section

because the C-section had problems. And they were like, Oh God, this sounds terrible. I tell it there. It's a good 15 minute set. And then I woke up and they, because the C-section lasted for two and a half hours. They're supposed to be like 20 minutes.

I know, I'm telling you, fiber skin folks issues. So that means it doesn't cut easily. It doesn't cut easily, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about in a settling blow torch? I don't know. You should use, yes, metallurgy and glass making techniques. You're just hearing all of a sudden you hear like a grrrr.

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Like he's scolding you like he's pissed off? He was making like a bit of a joke. Like he was doing a joke in the middle of my really utter trauma. But I guess it's happened before. You know, like they didn't know how long it was going to take, so he just didn't give me enough and it happens, I guess. But I remember like when I woke up, I said to my husband like,

hey, did the anesthesiologist again? Because I had heard so many things. I had spoken to so many historical figures by that time. I couldn't tell what was real and what wasn't. I was like, did someone in the room say when you scream like that, I make a thing of look and he's like, oh yeah.

Oh yeah, we laughed for a minute. We had to stop the process. We were enjoying it so much. He did like a tight 10 and then he went back to it. So who was your favorite and why historical figure that you talked to? Well, again, I don't know that this is appropriate at all, but my favorite historical figure was Gandhi. I was across between Gandhi and Lincoln, and both of them just had really, in the afterlife,

they've settled into just like a kind of weirdness. For God, he was just like, he was literally like, I must let now. And he was like oddly like trying to get laid. And it was a weird scene for him. Well, that was part of his, you know, that was part of his secret. His real, his actual life.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a horn dog. So he was just like an overt horn dog in the afterlife. Even more than in real life. Yeah, yeah. That. He was a horn dog. He's just like an overt horn dog in the afterlife. Even more than in real life. Yeah. That guy was fucking non-stop. Was he really non-stop? I don't actually know enough about his history to like, you know, which is also weird that

I met him. And why do you think that's not appropriate to say? I don't want to besmirch the dead, I guess, or something. I'm not sure. Is that really? It's not a strong besmirchment. I guess not, especially if there is a real world. There are also real world accounts of it. I guess it's not a strong besmirchment.

And what about Lincoln? Lincoln, interestingly, this isn't a- Famous masturbator. Was he really? Yeah, yeah. Are you serious? No. No, okay.

I'm not serious about any of it. No, but Lincoln had kind of settled into like really, he was just like very, he was like, what's the word? He's just like not confident about himself. And he was just like like does anyone remember me and I was like dude there's like so many like high schools. How about the penny yeah I didn't tell about the. I talked a lot about the schools that were named in the five dollar bill. Oh shit I could have talked about that too I didn't mention currency at all I'm focused mainly on how very many schools are named after him.

And Lincoln Toe in the, it's either Chicago or Atlanta. And also Lincoln Nebraska, a town. And so I was like, just like you're still Lincoln Logs, like the recreation of his shit. That's right. I was so, I was basically there to like comfort him. I wanted to take a pause and go back to that very funny joke I just said. Lincoln Logs.

Yeah, a recreation of his shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's very funny. Okay, thank you. Lincoln Logs. That's just for the listeners, his poop, in case you didn't know what shit meant in that situation. Lincoln Logs is an old game that kids played in the 50s and 60s, I think.

Which I literally only vaguely, what was it? Did you ever play it? No, no, it's a little before my time, but it was like, I think you just, you got a big thing and you built a log cabin? What did it have to do with Lincoln? Nothing? Oh, he was born in a log cabin. Oh, okay, okay.

Oh, so it was like Legos, but for log cabins. Yeah, I don't think they, you couldn't make much more than a log cabin, I think. Just one style of log cabin. Back in the 50s and 60s, you didn't need a whole lot to entertain kids. It's not like today with the screens and the TikToks and the whatnot. And then like, Coiga, what about, you know, what we did in our day? You burned the, you burned ants with a magnifying glass. We had a teddy Ruckspin and you used to push his belly and he said something. He said what you said.

Oh, that's right. He repeated. He repeated like a parrot, but he was a bear. Yeah, so that was Lincoln. He was not, he was very, like He was not a confident guy. Okay. Well, I'll help you set them at ease. I spent a long time in my k-hole.

Gandhi tried to get with you? No, you know, it's mostly like, it's like he wanted tips on how to get ladies from me. Oh, that's weird. Like I was, yeah, like I was like, like a wing woman or something. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Did you help him out or? No, I was like, yeah, I was super accommodating, yeah. Oh, so was it successful? That's what, I mean, I don't know if I went to the dimension where he was actually implementing. I did not go to the. You gave him tips. I gave him to scroll right. Right. Right.

Right. Right. Swipe right and see I'm an oldie. And and and and spend a lot of time asking questions and listening. Ugh. Ugh. Keep the first date short. Leave them wanting more. Yeah, that's that's a good one. a lot of time asking questions and listening. Keep the first date short, leave them wanting more. Yeah, that's a good one.

If you're not gonna, if they're not gonna give it up, then yeah, keep it short, cut it short. Yeah, as soon as you find out like, oh, she's not gonna fuck me tonight, get out of there. Right, that's your advice? No, but you know, I've done an entire podcast episode on another, I can't remember the name of the podcast right now, but anyways know, I've done an entire podcast episode on another, I can't remember the name of the podcast right now, but anyways, another podcast because a producer heard me

talking about my rules of online dating and I was very good at online dating. I've never done it. You've never done it? No. Oh man, people hate it. I'm sure you've heard. Well, I have very mixed feelings about it like a friend of mine very close friend said his son who is I

think he's No, he's 23 something ish maybe 24. I'm not sure maybe 24, but he said to him He's like, dad, he was talking about, you know, what do you call it, Tinder, right? And he said that, you know, in the conversation, he's like, oh, I've had sex with 65, I've had sex with 65 times. The son said that to the dad?

Yeah, or 65 people, something like that. And I was like, holy shit, I didn't even, I didn't get to 65 until it was, I don't even know if I got to 65. But I was like, I was in my, I mean, I've been faithful to my wife, but I was in my late 40s, by the time faithful to my wife, but, you know, I was in my late 40s, you know, by the time I got... Right, when you settled down.

But, I mean, by the time I got to that many... Oh, okay. ...sexual partners. Not that it was something... So, did you just have like an Excel spreadsheet or whatever? You were just like tracking it? I had like the wall with all the yarn and the, you know, like the murder... Yeah, the wire. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. No, but what, so as, as, as, you look then go, man, that's, that's amazing, I guess. And that's- No, but it also feels empty, no?

Well, that's what we put onto it. And, and- But maybe that's his goal. And I don't think that's his goal. And I, but I think it's, we project onto that, like, oh, it's gotta be empty. It's gotta be an empty experience. But maybe that, I think part of the appeal

is that you don't get bogged down. Everybody, it's a transactional, you know, a situation where it's like, I'm gonna give you this, you're gonna give me that. You get laid, I get laid, you go, we go our separate ways. And which is kind of a, some people, that's what they want. And the thing that I know is missing is, and I don't know what life is like out there now,

but there's a real thrill in like, I'm gonna, and I mean, this might be big city specific. Certainly New York, East Village in the early aughts, was a very special time and you'd go, it's like you'd go to the bar with some friends and you had like, you know, your five, six, seven places that you'd go and you'd meet somebody. You wouldn't go there to meet somebody. You weren't trying. You would. You there be a connection, a spark, you're flirting. Yeah, you'reh. Yeah, you're flirting. And your apartment is literally four blocks away. And I mean, it was a, so they won't have that.

That's a really cool thing. It's a cool thing. It's also, I think it's like truly formative. You know what I mean? I think you need to go to a bar, talk to a stranger and like have flirtations. Yeah, it's fun. It's and even when it doesn't work out, that's its own experience. Story, that's a story. I mean, cause on the girl end of this heterosexual scenario, it's like then the next day you're at brunch and it's just like

what happened to you? What happened to you? What happened to you? And like everyone is just dishing, dishing, dishing and it is the most fun gossip that has ever been gossiped. And it's funny because it literally, you know, it like was an episode of girls. Like that's, I feel like it was very much like how things went down in New York City and the odds and even in the early tens or whatever, tweens, it's like it was, in that

free song of like, you don't know what's going to happen that night and you never know who you could end up with. It's really exciting. that night and you never know who you could end up with. Would you explain to our listeners and viewers who didn't go to spend time in Paris what a free song is? Like a tinge, like a soup song of energy. Yeah. Yeah. A little conflict.

Yeah, tension. Tension. Something. Yeah. Now, so, Nikki, and I end every podcast the same way. Yeah. By asking, and thank you very much for coming on. Oh, thanks. I think we should start.

By asking everyone, so, Israel or Hamas? And why? And why? Where do you stand on this? That's how you're doing every pot. Everyone gets asked. This is prior to the conflict. Oh yeah, yeah, you were just doing it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been doing it for years Israel Hamas Where do you stand? Just like a light way to just get people usually start with that I start with I see I see who I actually got to warm up to it. Yeah You think about your answer? and I am going to so I Ask everybody a question from my daughter.

Okay, oh yeah. And it was a different question for everybody. And she has different questions. She's given me a bunch. Okay, so Nagin, why are dogs so fast? Ah, why are dogs so fast? I actually, I have a dog, a Pomeranian. He is very fast.

And I think it's because they were, they have a gene. They share some genes with wolves who are out there running around trying to catch stuff to eat. Hmm. Do you buy that? I mean, technically, I don't know if she'll be thrilled with the answer. No, she's not gonna love it.

I will also say on the wolf front, they've done like studies on the difference between a wolf and a dog, and they found the gene that is the difference between a wolf and a dog and they found the gene that is the difference between a wolf and a dog. What is it? And it's a friendliness gene. Oh, really?

Because you can train... Allowing it to be domesticated? Yes. Oh, interesting. Because dogs want to please you. But that's something they evolved to have as I understand it. Yeah, this gene mutated or whatever and became the dog gene. So that they would, and then you know that that is also why now a cat's mewing, mewing,

mewing, meowing, meowing, yeah. Both of those. Sounds like a baby, is they learned thousands of years ago that the baby would get attention and so Developed the ability to mimic it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and because this is going way way way back But they didn't always sound like that. Yeah, you know, it used to be like hey What's up yo used to be like, hey, yo, yo. And they developed a-

Right, they were like, we should sound more like those babies. But that's true. That is a true thing. And then dogs developed the, so now you're making it more specific, developed a gene which allows them to be domesticated and they just learn. And trained and all that stuff. Because a wolf, you cannot train a wolf. You can try to teach a wolf an old wolf new tricks, but it's not.

But it's not. And you can lead a wolf to water, but it doesn't mean it's going to drink it. Right, right, right, exactly. And you can, but let's stick on a wolf, it's not going to make any, but listen, if you get somebody breaks up with you, there's a lot of wolves in the sea, so don't worry about it. That's exactly right. All right, Nagy and Farsad, thank you very much. Thank you so much for having me.

Yeah, and now we gotta fucking redo this shit. When in December or something like that. On my podcast? On your podcast. Yeah, well luckily we don't talk, like it's all just like I come in with things from the news and then you just respond. Oh, sorry, I just got bored. Thank you. All right, thank you. Since is Working Over Time is a headgum podcast created and hosted by me, David Cross. The show is edited by Katie Skelton and engineered by Nicole Lyons with supervising producer Emma Foley. Thanks to Demi Druchin for our show art and Mark Rivers for

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