Senses Working Overtime with David Cross - Tony Hale

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

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No, why you just sounded like you're a little cold Is that that's kind of anti-semitic? I just love that any caring for you my phone? just I leave that on cuz my my alert thing is the sad train. Oh wow look at that cool outfit you have on Huh? Oh me? No. Oh Sorry, he has a cool outfit That's Casey. Oh Here we are. Oh, that's why you think it's a cool outfit.

Yeah, I like your colors. Oh, shit. I brought this. I know I brought this for you from New York because I know that you love Splenda. Oh, that's so nice. Yeah. Thank you. You want to open it here or are you going to wait till you get home? No, I can't put it in my water, But I do love how patriotic Splenda has become. Yeah, no, they are hardcore pro-USA. They're patriotic. I can just have a little flag in my pocket. Yeah, well, they have, you know, it says blood and soil on the package. Yeah.

Does it? It does, yeah. I don't have my glasses, but I totally trust you. Yeah. Oh, here, here. Oh, okay. I don't have my glasses, but I totally trust you. Yeah. Oh, here, here. Oh, OK. I don't know what. These are reading glasses. Yeah, that's what I would need.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know what strength you. Let me see. I'm going to see if. They have the gasman flag and blood and soil on the back there. See? I do see Heartland.

Yeah. Does she read TC Heartland? Carmel. Suitable for people with diabetes. I do not see what you're talking about. Oh, you gotta read between the lines. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm sorry.

When you see Heartland, and T.C. means the Christ, Heartland. Oh. So, yeah, just connect the dots. So, Christ Heartland. The Christ Heartland. Oh, good. There's commas. I mean, yeah.

And what would LLC, would that be like love? Love, Louis CK. Love, Louis CK, oh, he would love that. Yes. Oh, that's great. Louis, you know, it's a 51% stake in the company. Does he? Yeah.

Damn, doesn't 50 cent own vitamin water? That's the rumor. I'm not gonna give this back to you. No, no, you shouldn't, nor should you. Nor should you. How's the family? What strength are these? I think they're 2.5. I think I might have to switch because I think I might need them this strong now. I think I've been using a 1.5. These are definitely above 1.5. Yeah. It's either 2.5 or 2 275. How's your family? Really nice.

Um, she, sorry, the day I totally forget my daughter's age. Um, she's 17. The reason I, she's 17, but she's going to be 18 this month. Oh yeah, that follows 17 now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I changed that recently. Is today the day you found that out? I think it was yesterday.

Oh. Who I was doing, who were we with? Who shared the news with you? I didn't know it was a big deal. I didn't know you would take it like that. Fred Armisen told me about it. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Yeah. So she's doing great. We're going to celebrate her 18th birthday this month. And I was thinking on my way here, because I was trying to think of topics because

I knew it was going to be slow. Excuse you. Just kidding. No, I was thinking that this month, because she was born the month after we were canceled, after Arrested was canceled in 2006. That's how I remember it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's nice.

You don't think of the negative cancellation, you just think of Loy's birthday. Yeah. Well, when people will often bring it up, like, you know, the Arrested was canceled or bring up the date and I'll be, oh, Loy's birthday. Like, no, something else. And then it'll take me a while and they'll go, you know, rested was canceled. I go, yeah, it's more about Loy's birthday. I liked it. It's a different framing the narrative differently. Um, so she, uh, was born, yeah, a month after and I, okay, I don't know if you remember this.

Do you remember me breaking down in your trailer? No. Yeah. I remember. About what? About, it was, it was like- You didn't want a daughter. I did not want a daughter.

And I'm so glad I can finally have the space to say it. Oh, I hope she doesn't hear it. But no, it was like a month before, I mean, we were always in the bubble, but it was a month before the official cancellation. And I had just bought a house and Martell was about to have Loy and the show was getting canceled. And I was just, I was spinning out. I get it.

And I remember being, I have just this memory. I think Will might've been there, but just like breaking down in your trailer, I think spinning out. I get it. And I remember being, I have just this memory, I think Will might've been there, but just like breaking down in your trailer, I think. Yeah. I think, I think. It was tough, I mean, it was tough in its own way for everyone. It was, it also seemed,

it felt like we were being perhaps unreasonably optimistic that it would get, because they never liked it. Fox didn't like the show. And winning the Emmy was the- They do now though. money. You know, it was, I think with a little bit of time, it was like, of course, it was going to be canceled. They were just waiting for the time to cancel it. And when we won the Emmy, they had to re-up us for another year. And what did you do? Didn't they give us something and you put it in the, the driveway of entering Fox or something? It was, it was, well, let's go back.

Let's start with the banner. That might be one of the, you would put that in a movie, but it's on brand with the show. Yes. They, uh, so, so folks. Yes. So folks at home, we shot on the Fox lot, which is a huge massive studio in LA, and as you can imagine,

and the studios take up tons of acreage and they're big buildings. And on those big buildings, especially as you enter off Pico, are probably the largest billboards you might see. there are big buildings and on those big buildings, especially as you enter off Pico are larger, probably the largest billboards you might see. I mean, we're talking like the size of stuff you'd see in Times Square. They're on for their shows and the movies that are successful. And there's always, you know, whatever the show is, like congratulations to blah, blah, blah, when the Emmys are announced

or Oscars, depending on what the thing is. And House nominated for 11 Emmys, whatever the thing is, and big, huge, congratulatory, massive billboards. And when Arrest, got nominated for multiple, I mean, a good number of them, they had put this little vinyl banner that was mostly string, right? It went from at the entrance right off Pico and the banner only, uh, it went probably, I'm going to say four feet outside of the length of the security hut. Yeah. Right. And it was probably, I'm going to say four

feet tall and then wide, like maybe 14 feet wide. Yeah. A Kinko special. Yes. It was clearly they, and it had the little, uh, Monopoly house and the font, arrest development, and then just, you know, congratulations on that was it.

It was this little banner that they strung up and, and I mean, we were all talking about like, what the fuck, you know, and then they gave us. But I think I am now wondering, cause there was that joke of Banner Michael, Banner Michael, I wonder if that, if they were trying to connect it now.

Maybe, I don't know. I mean, but we all were like, we all got to second one, what the fuck is that? And they gave us, they gave everybody and the cast and crew a congratulatory, what was it? It was so dumb. It was like. I don't remember what it was,

but I remember. Chocolates or some shit like that. I don't know, but I remember you put it next to, I think the security hut or something on the way. Yeah, I put it right down on the, so you'd have to see it when you came in, my little thank you cookie basket. That was funny.

For a show that made them a billion dollars. Oh, that was funny. Yeah, that was good stuff. I'm also thinking the last time I saw you was at Sketchfest two weeks ago, two weekends ago. Holy shit. Wow. Boy, did I space on that.

Yes. Okay, great. And, um, I was doing a show with David Wayne. Oh, right, right, right. Oh, great. And I- Wait, what were you doing there? I was doing a show with David Wayne, a magic show. Oh, right, right, right, right. Oh, I was like fucking around. I think I was on my way out. Yeah, but this- And I was just fucking with him.

I just wanna break this down because this is the last time I saw David. So I come into the hotel, I'm checking in, and David walks up beside me, and I haven't seen you in a while, and I go, David. Years. Years, I go, David.

And he looks at me in waves and then he walks towards me, past me and starts talking to a painting right to my left and carrying a full conversation with a painting. And then, and then I think, oh, that's fun, fun, fun bit. And he turns around, walks past me again and never says hi.

Yeah. I got on the elevator and went. And the elevator and the guy goes to his room. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, that about sounds like that was the last time we spoke sort of in a way. Last time we were the same. Yeah. We're a San Francisco sketch fest.

Great. Did you have a good time? I did have a good time. Have you done it before? Yeah, many. Yeah. I love it. I love it.

It's a so well run and it's run by comics and it's very artist friendly. And I would say one of the best run of those festivals there is. And it's just, and the logistics are, I mean, how do you put something together like that, you take over the city and there's very few issues or problems. And they survived through COVID too. And there was a big concern that it was going to go down during COVID. No, they do a fantastic job. 21 years they've been doing it.

21 years. And what were you doing there? I did a couple shows like David Cross and Friends and Stand Up. And then I also jumped on a couple things. I did Laine Moore's Tinder Live. What is that? Which is great. Oh, it's great.

She's fantastic. I highly recommend it. It's a show where she will get, uh, so she'll. Stand there as a little podium connects her phone to a, uh, screen that everybody can see and that she goes live will swipe left, swipe right, depending on what the audience says. Oh, it's her Tinder. It's her Tinder account. I see.

And I've done it like five times maybe. And the very first time I didn't know her and I didn't know the show. And I think somebody had, you know, somebody, a mutual friend was like, oh, you got to do it. It's great. It's fine. And I don't know shit about Tinder and apps

and dating and technology. I'm really, you know, an old man in that aspect. And so I get there and it was at Littlefield in Brooklyn and it was a small little green room and I meet her and she goes out to start the show and I'm listening and I'm like, and I've told her this too, I was about ready to walk out and go,

sorry man, I don't wanna be a part of this, I think this is bullshit, I think this is exploitive. Really, that doesn't sound like your brand. But it was, I felt like it was, and I was ignorant to what was about to take place. But in my head, I'm listening to her describing, I think you're just making fun of these poor motherfuckers who don't know they're being made fun of.

I don't like this, this is nothing I wanna be a part of. It seems like it's punching down, whatever. And then as I'm thinking this, she introduces me. Oh, shit, okay, I get up there and I sit in my stool and I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. And then she starts, and it's not that at all. It's all people kind of hoisting themselves by their own petard as it were. with their, by their own petard as it were. They're there. She, you know, asked the audience, it's really fun. She is really fast and really smart and really funny

and always takes it in a direction I would never guess. And, and she just gets them to, she only picks a certain guy. And then, uh, and if the audience agrees. And then she. Just one person she's talking about the whole time. No, cause she'll go, she'll go, let's leave, you know, let's leave Liam for a second and see who else is there. And then, oh God, you gotta do Ezra. He's like good working out, you know, with his, um, you know, it has a Chihuahua and Ray Bans or whatever.

And, uh, um, and like, do, do, hey, you know, and it's also based on interest and then she will, and she's an attractive girl, you know, so she's, they're seeing the picture going, all right, and then, and she just messes with them in a really fun, smart way, and they all, and it's only if they keep engaging because they wanna get laid, you know? I see, so, oh, I see, so she's engaging with them during the show, she's not just talking about them to the audience.

No, no, no, she's engaging with them. You can see what she types. I see, okay. And it's really fun and she's just so good at it. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, Lain Moore, Tinder Live, and she tours with it too. Makes it a really fun night.

Yeah, I love those kind of, there was one called Celebrity Autobiography that I did where we those kind of, there was one called celebrity autobiography that I did, where we just kind of go up and read, like I read David Hasselhoff's autobiography and somebody read like something from the Kardashians autobiography and just those kind of, quirky is not the right word, but that kind of niche I love, you know, like something like that or this, it's just, and you can just keep doing it because there's endless autobiographies, there's endless. Oh yeah, there's endless egos out there. Gotta tell their story.

Yeah, I was talking to Lorraine Newman about that. She is so cool. Yeah, I'd never met her before. That was really cool. Like again, in the lobby of the hotel, and she was telling me what they were doing, and I was like, oh, I have and have read Ali Shidi's book of poetry,

Suzanne Summers' book, Jerry Butler, porn star in the 70s and 80s, fantastic book called Raw Talent and God, what else do I have? I have a whole bunch of those that I've read over the years ago. You mentioned the lobby. That's what I do love about SketchFest is like running into people like that. Yeah, it's fun. That's what I love. I love it, but I also feel bad for folks who are there on like their yearly vacation

because it's just sort of taken over by comics and comics, not all the time, but let's say 99.9% of the time can be very, they're all kind of performing, they're on and they're loud and there's a lot of that stuff going on. So for anybody, you know, going, I can't wait to go to San Francisco. I got the weekend and I've been planning this trip for awhile. And then there's just all these obnoxious people trying to outdo each other. And you're trying to get your coffee, trying to go to the bar, trying to check in.

It's just like, who is this clown? Yeah, there's so many people. Yes, that's true. There's just- Why is that guy talking to a painting? Yeah, exactly. And I think, not I think, they did, exactly. And I think, I think the, uh, not I think they did recognize you. And I think they did, I think they did have the response of like,

Oh yeah, well I get it now. I get it now. Now I get it. But it was like kids in the hall was on the, all those guys and the kids in the hall were in the lobby. I love it. It was so cool to just kind of see. I mean, Eric Idle's walking around.

Yeah. I mean, your, your heroes, legends are walking around, you know, and it's, it's, it is cool. All that stuff's cool. And it, and it is, like you said, a great, like, oh shit, you run into people you haven't talked to. And I mean, the last time I saw he was probably arrested stuff, right? I mean, after that awful season five.

Yeah. And, uh. Yeah. Um, and I, and you're, so I'm so bad with time. Like the last time we talked, I think you, you were talking about your daughter and I said, what is she like two or three now? That's right.

And you're like, Tony, she's seven. Yeah. I have a picture of you holding her. Yeah. As a newborn. On the trailer. Yeah. Like, well, she was probably, oh gosh, I have a picture of you holding her. Yeah, as a newborn. On the trailer, yeah. Like, well, she was probably, oh gosh, I don't know, maybe. Well, that was when we were shooting the last season, right?

Yeah, so that was probably like, she was probably six, seven, eight months old, something like that. I'm not sure, but yeah, she's about to be seven next week. Oh, yeah, but like to me, that doesn't seem that long ago. Way off. I was way off. Yeah.

Oh, I remember she was so little. Yeah. Yeah. About seven is, uh, well, you know, it's just like, uh, you know, whole new, whole new thing. Do you, and you guys live in Brooklyn? Yeah. And so she goes to school in Brooklyn or

she goes? Yeah, she goes to school down the Yeah. And so she goes to school in Brooklyn or does she go? Yeah, she goes to school down the street. Walk her to school every day. Oh, dude. I stopped doing, I stopped walking her to schools on, school on Saturday and Sunday, cause it's not open and I just, after a few years, I'm like, what am I doing?

It seems. It's nice. You know, I wanted to get her in the habit of. When you got, did you do it over and over to where you finally figured it out? Or you just kind of. Multiple times a day, yeah. And you would just walk into the building and just knock? I'd walk into the building, go, eventually they'll open the door and then go pick her up at 2.40.

And then you guys waited for how long? Waited- For them to come to the door? No, I went home. Oh, you dropped her there. Yeah, I dropped her off. Oh, I see. And then I go home. And she has a set of rules that I put, I wrote out in regular, not cursive, just- And was she old enough to read them?

Yeah. Yeah, that's good. I hope so, she's seven. Oh, yeah? Well, about to be seven. That's true. No, she goes to an excellent, excellent school. I'm thrilled that she gets to go to that. It's a public school, it's down the street, about as diverse as you can imagine. And she's doing well and- I love hearing you talk about your daughter.

Why? I don't know, it's just cause I think there, I've- I didn't seem like the guy, kind of guy who would have a daughter. No, it's not that. It's not that. I think there, I've. I didn't seem like the guy kind of guy who would have a daughter. It's not that. I've known you for so long and I've seen kind of different sides of you and different. I think you're an incredibly compassionate dude and a very kind of, I think you have an empathy to you,

but I don't think people associate that with you. Right, right. And talking about your daughter, you see that comes out more, which I like. I get it. Yeah. Well, it's definitely informed a lot. My last couple of standup tours and specials and stuff. And you know, people say I'm, as you might

have seen, I can be very cynical and pessimistic and nihilistic, which are not good things to be. And I think it's just my nature. But when you have a kid, and imagine you found this yourself, you can't afford to be like that anymore, at least for most of the day. I am training myself to be more optimistic, to see things more optimistically. And because you got this innocent kid and her friends, they all, you know, everybody has play dates and, uh, and her friends are awesome. And they're just, I, I love kids. I love the, um, you know, just, uh, observing them and, uh, and, you know, you just can't,

uh, stuff will stick. Yeah, and I don't, I just, I'm trying to remember my own experience being a kid growing up, and I think that's part of what informs who I am. And I'm trying to present a more hopeful picture than the picture that I see, which is not hopeful. Yeah, it's hard. And I think the default being, especially with my, with Loy, who's my daughter, I can go to a lot of what if scenarios now that she's driving. I can, it's these, these narratives in my head of what can happen and not trying to live in that and go, you know what? The dating thing is just, I mean, I was, I was, uh, this is going to sound like a joke,

but it's not. I was hoping she'd be gay because I think she would have a lot less, especially New York and with all the people that we know, she'd have a less complicated life because, you know, guys can be just fucking awful and, and I don't think she is, I'm pretty sure she's not. And I was really like, yeah, I just, that is just in the back of my mind going, oh man, these guys, you know what guys are like. Yeah.

You know. Yeah. I try to get comfort of you and me and our friends. of you and me and our friends, we did the best to give a model of how a relationship can be and the respect and how, I mean, I've never loved anything like I love my daughter. It's a different love than with Martel and I, my wife. It's more of a, I mean, it's definitely much more of a protective love. And so she's seen that, she's seen that with you. And I just, I just, there's so much surrender and trust of just going, I just hope that she has

that filter when she's, you know, choosing a partner. Yeah, I mean, and then, you know, you have to let them individuate, that you have to let them be their own person. And the more you kind of protest, the more it's gonna drive them. And we all know that stuff, so you're just sort of rolling dice. Did she have the teen period of rebellion

and shitty behavior and when they're, what I guess they're supposed, for girls, it's like what, 12, 13, 14, they're supposed to start getting? Yeah, I mean, Martel and I talk a lot about those years when she, I mean, this is a very, people say this all the time, but when she's the one who grabbed my hand,

when she wanted to stand beside me, when she could not wait for me to join her, to walk in the mall with her, you know, this kind of stuff and Just stereotypically dad. Can you drop me off down the street? Um, you know, don't come in. Yep. Um, like, Don't say you're my dad.

I mean, to the point where like her friends would be there and she'll look at me and like, if you say any word, I will self explode. And it's you and I, but then there's the comfort of, this is every process. You know, I'm sure you did it. I did it. But it doesn't, it doesn't not hurt. Yeah, yeah.

And you're just like, who the living hell are you at times? You know, yeah. So, I mean, I do love that she tells things to Martel that she does not tell me. Like her and Martel have a really. That's great, yeah. Great relationship that I, you know, I didn't necessarily have with my parent.

You know, it's like, I had a different relationship, but I did not have where I was as open as Lloyd is with Martel. So I treasure that. And I don't, I mean, the fact that she doesn't tell me and there's, that doesn't bug me at all. Yeah. No, it shouldn't.

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Tallahassee, Florida. Tallahassee, Florida. Yeah, it was, I mean, religious slash. Not like, Southern, Southern, Well, no, like Southern Baptist. I wouldn't call it, I think religious is probably the best word to put for it.

Cause it was definitely like, I would say a religious, maybe club kind of thing. Rather, I mean, I grew up in, you know, mostly in Roswell, Georgia. It was all Southern Baptist. I forget that. Yeah, yeah. It's so easy to forget.

Southern Baptist, vast majority. And it's a, club is a really good way to put it. Yeah, I don't know, the spirit chap. I was not a part of that club. I was not invited. I was. Oh, sorry. Not a, you know, I wasn't even allowed near the perimeter.

Oh, it's just so painful. It was void of authentic spirituality, I would say. Yeah, yeah. That's what I noted too. That's where a lot of- No, and I can't, just like anything, I can't blanket that to everybody. I think there were people that were standouts, but as a whole, there was definitely a lot of- 100% agree, that was my experience. I felt that way about the congregation. Is that, would you, a Jewish?

No, I mean, when I was going to temple and synagogue and stuff, like I felt that way about, there's just a hypocrisy, you know, and, and I definitely observed that because of the way I was treated, which wasn't cruel or uh, anti-Semitic. It made it, there's like a little bit of anti-Semitism based on just kind of weird archaic ignorance in a way.

But not being invited is as painful. I don't know that it was, I don't know that it was, when I was experiencing it, I was a little older. I was, by the time I was 10, 11, I moved back to Georgia. I was born there, but I moved back there when I was nine. And I think I had had enough. Where did you go in between?

Three places in New York and two places in Connecticut and three places in Florida. In between what to nine? One. Oh, one. Oh, wow. Oh yeah. We, I was, I, I realized, um, is a couple months ago, I was. David and I are just now meeting.

Should we start? By the way? For 20 years. Um, uh, I was going to say, uh, I just realized, uh, I was trying to figure this out. I didn't go to the same, that was because Marlo is now within her third year at this school. So she knows people and all that stuff. And I didn't have that experience of going back to the same school with the same classmates until sixth grade.

And I was in a different school in a different part of either a state or a, or the country every single year. Okay. Let me ask you something. Do you remember any of it? Yeah. Fuck yeah. Okay. I had the same experience and I don't remember sixth grade down. I, and I say that because I've, my brother has a similar experience. He doesn't remember sixth grade down. And I say that because my brother has a similar experience where he doesn't remember. And I attribute that, I've always attributed that since we moved around so much.

So I didn't make much of, cause my dad was in the army. So we didn't make, I didn't make much connection with people. So I just assumed, well, maybe it's just cause I didn't do it. Why bother? Why bother? But that's maybe why I don't have a memory. But that's not your story.

No, I remember, I went to a really cool experimental in the 70s idea of experimental school and somewhere in Connecticut, I can't remember which one. I lived in New Haven and I lived in Hamden. And I don't remember which place. I lived in New Haven and I lived in Hamden. And I don't remember which place it was, but it was like very 70s with, there were no divided segments of, it was like a big open thing. And you'd have, I don't know, 30 kids per class. It was all named after

planets. So there was Mercury and there was, you know, or no, wait, maybe it was something to do with space exploration. So maybe it was like Apollo and whatever, but perhaps it was Greek gods and I didn't, all right. But anyway, it was, so you'd have these carpeted pits, right? And everybody like, you know, Mercury class was up there and over there is Saturn and those are the kids. And then you would all be all together. It sounds like a Montessori school. Maybe, I think it might, I mean, I don't know when Montessori started, but it was really cool, I loved it. I thought it was really, really neat. And then I went, I had some pretty good,

the beginning of fourth grade was in Syracuse, New York, and I was bussed, my mom had us bussed to an inner city school that was mostly black as opposed to going to school, you know, half a mile away, which was all white kids, because she wanted us to experience that. And it was a really cool school. And I liked my school, I liked my teacher, learned about African American studies and things and apartheid when I was in fourth grade. And then I went to Atlanta and the first school, I was, it was finishing fourth grade. And the first school I went to for like a week was the wrong school. And they said, oh, you, this, this kid shouldn't be here.

He's not zoned for this. So they had to figure out where I went and sign me up for that. So then I went to yet another school. And then, and that was terrible. I had a terrible experience. My literally overnight in a sense, you know, from one report cardwing, conservative, weird shit that I- So where was the planet school you were talking about? Where was that? That was in Connecticut. Okay. And then after that, you moved back down to- Yeah. No, then I moved to Syracuse. Okay. And I was in Syracuse, New York for maybe a little under a year and then moved to Roswell.

And then so I was in one, I started going to this school, then like, oh, this isn't the right school. Then, oh, you know what? Because we were living in a motel for a month. That was part of it. So we had no place to live and we had driven down there, I think, and that's quite a drive. And we got to the, so we stayed in a motel, like a shitty motel for a month. And I think that's why I was in this certain school and then got moved to another school. Then that school finished and then we got, oh no, this would have been before the school finished. Then we got evicted from our apartment because my dad never paid the rent and they locked all our stuff up. And they were the stuff that they were just tossing shit on the, on the, you know, sidewalk of this apartment complex. And, uh, and I remember, I'll never forget this.

And you were how old at this time? Uh, nine, about to be 10, just about to be 10. And you have a sister, right? Two sisters, yeah. And you were all together? Yeah. My little sister would have been maybe five at this point. And Wendy and I know that we got And Wendy and I know that we got picked up at the bus stop, which would never happen. The bus, you know, it was only about through the apartment complex, like maybe the equivalent of a four-block walk, you know, nothing. And all the kids get, you know, the bus, the school bus comes, lets everybody off and we all go to our apartments, whatever. And it just wasn't, there's no reason to pick up a kid. They're only walking for seven minutes. And our neighbor,

guy named Peter George, who gave me my first album, Sergeant Peppers. Oh, wow. Yeah, he gave me Sergeant Peppers because I liked it and he was like, here, take it. And he picked us up in his car. And as a drive, we were talking, it's like about 120 seconds, which was kind of weird. And we're like, what's going on? So listen, your mom and dad are dealing with something. I can't remember exactly what he said, but the drive was basically to prepare us for what we were about to see, which was these guys who were repossessing everything.

And my stuff, like my, I had a ham radio, which I used to love and, and they're just taking it. And there's, you know, my, my little desk in my room was like, they just tossed it in the lake broke when they, you know, they're literally just tossing it onto the thing. And I'm like, I didn't understand, but I was old enough to understand, understand like, okay, we can't live here now and we don't have those things anymore. And this is reminding me of another story where this was in high top

circle which was in Connecticut and I was in second grade and excuse me sorry let me turn this down here and I was in that's trueony, your sense of timing is impeccable once again. I'll leave it on, it's just fine. Just thrown out. So our car got repossessed, but I was too young to understand what was, I watched it happen. I watched two guys come up, Jimmy into the car and start and I'm like, dad, people are stealing our car, people are stealing our car.

And my dad pretended to the point where he called the cops that the car was stolen. And I don't remember if the cops were sympathetic to it for kind of wasting his time. Do you remember thinking whether you believed him or you thought it was? I totally believed him. Yeah. I watched two guys get out of one car, jimmy it, and then get in and start to drive it

and the other guy get in the car. We're in an apartment complex, which you know, that rarely happens. You make your way into the depths of an apartment complex to steal a shitty car. And I don't know, maybe dodge dart swingers were popular back then, but my dad was a pathological liar, like completely narcissistic. nothing was ever his fault. Every, he was the victim every time, remind you of a certain ex president. And I'm talking about Taft, obviously.

Oh, okay, well. I kind of was not thinking that. Study up, Tony, read up. Okay, I'm sorry, apologies. Anyway, that's enough of that. I didn't mean, this is- Now I love it. Not about me, it's about you.

You're my guest. I have other questions. Okay, so let me, let me, it's about you. You're my guest. I have other questions. Okay, so let me, I was remiss in not saying this upfront. I ask every single guest this question. First question I ask, I didn't get into it, but I'll ask it now. So where do you stand?

Israel v Palestine, you can answer in any way you want. Oh my God. So funny, I've listened to it, rail V Palestine, where you can answer in any way you want. So funny. I've listened to it. I've actually listened to a few of your episodes. I don't remember hearing that question. I thought for sure. I'm a bigger fan of you than you think I am. Oh man.

Oh wait. Did you see the Bateman one? I did. Did you see, does Michael Cera come out? Do you know? I don't know. I saw the Odenkirk one. Yeah.

I saw, I just completely blanked on her name. Oh, come on, Hale. Amber Tamblyn? No. Who's that? Joe Firestone? No. Janine Garofsky.

Yes. Okay. It was like, yeah, yeah. Anyways. Oh, that's your nickname. I'm a big, yeah. Well, that's one extra utterance. I'm a big fan of yours, David. Well, thank you, Tony. I always have been. All right. Wait, so I did, I know you don't want to make this all about you. I don't. But is it OK if I have a question? Yeah, of course.

Just since we were talking about parenting is an aw. There's a little one on your phone. Yeah. Can I see? Yeah, this is. You're like, that's Megan from the movie. Megan instead. Yeah, let me get you a clear.

Oh, there is one. I haven't seen. Oh, that's probably that's us upstate from three years ago. I thought that might've been Megan Markle in the TV in the back. No, I think it's a Toyoda ad. Okay. It's the Toyodathon lady. Oh, and she has a, you're.

Tony, would you please stop it? That's my phone. I'm just checking out your ring camera and see what's going on. She has a little t-shirt called love. That's sweet. Yeah. I think there's someone at your door. I'm not kidding.

You might want to let him in. I think you might be right. Here, I'll get a... Do you need to take a break? Yeah. You expecting a package? Let me get a picture of her. Oh, here she is with our brand new puppy.

Oh, gracious. Look. Oh, I don't know if you caught the beginning of that. She says she just picked her up and goes, I'm puppy Luther King. And I want going to make sure she did this on her own. Picked up our. I'm puppy Luther King. Oh.

And the dog's like, can we stop? Well, the dog's racist. That's the thing. Puppy Luther King. Where did that come from? And I believe everyone should be judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin. I remember when Lloyd, I have so many videos of her going, okay, go. Okay, go. Yeah. Oh, wait.

So this is my last, just since we were talking about parenting, I am curious. Well two things. So why, cause that sounds pretty traumatic. You know, so like. Yeah, it wasn't, it was, it was tough. It's interesting how like, I had my own fair stuff and it's like, I chose to kind of, I just don't have a memory, but it sounds like you have

like a really distinct memory of that stuff. Certain things, a lot of stuff is vague and kind of, amorphous almost like, oh, did that happen there? Did that happen there? I don't have a, but there are certain things that are very distinct and vivid. And in part because it's the same thing for my sister Wendy and to a lesser extent, but still my other sister Julie is the youngest who kind of checked out early. But so Wendy and I would talk about and I'm very, very close with Wendy. And she's the younger. They're both younger than me and she's the middle one and, and we're closer in age and then Julie was three years later after when he was born.

Um, and. Again, we're just meeting for the first time. Yeah, no, this is, uh, uh, anyway, I hope, uh, uh, uh, I hope I can hang out sometime. Yeah. Um, and how much does, uh, starting pay? Uh, wait. Oh, I, I was told that you're really looking for like pro bono.

Oh, just to be an actor for hire. Yeah. Is that a thing? Isn't it? But pro bono. We've done a lot of actor for hire work. Or pro bono stuff. But pro bono, it's usually in the, in the legal world.

I, uh, this is an example of David Cross throwing out a bit question. But pro bono, it's usually in the legal world. I work pro bono. This is an example of David Cross throwing out a bit question and Tony Hale not knowing how to respond. This is the- You just need a firmer grasp of Latin. This is our relationship for the past 20 years. Um, wait, no, so wait, you were talking about your sister. You know, I was, but I wanna,

there were a handful of people that, un-arrested, that I really didn't get to do enough scenes with, and you were one of them. Yeah. For real, like I- I just wanted you to go, there were a handful of people I really did not like, and you were one of them. And we had a brief, if you'll remember, I don't know, it was the, for my story, there was like a three mini arc, the Queen Mary.

Yeah. So there was, that was, we were gonna do a show and then you were, or Buster was with Lucille too. I think it was sort of the beginning of that thing. And we got to do some stuff together. I'm not talking about the season four and five, which were their own different. I don't remember what stuff we did together

in the four and five. Four was, we had brief stuff in the, out on the pier. I don't know. It was all- Is that when I was dressed like little John? Yes. Yes. Such an arrested thing to say. Was I dressed in blue or was my head bleeding? I can't remember. Was I feathered? Was I in a big- Oh was I dressed in blue or was my head bleeding? I can't remember. Was I in a light blue. Was I in a big. Oh yeah, that's what it was. Um, but it was fun.

I remember we got to hang out for like, you know, the day or two days and, and it was, it was a tree cause most of my, uh, a lot of stuff was kind of, you know, either with Portia or Jessica and- Jason. And Jason, yeah, and Jason, and kind of often my own, my character would like meet somebody, you know,

outside of the family or whatever. And so it was always nice to be able to have a little story arc. And our castmate Carl Weathers just passed. Yeah, that was a bummer. That was a bummer. He was so cool. Did you get to do scenes with him?

Yeah, there was a scene when he was dating my girlfriend Liza Lucille too, and we had some scenes together. Yeah, he's great. He was a very nice man. He was really nice, really a pleasant pleasure to be on set with and also just like I have such admiration for actor-actors who are willing to be self-deprecating, self-effacing, kind of who are willing to be self-deprecating, self-effacing, kind of pop their bubble as it were, of their persona. And he was just awesome, he was great.

He was. And you know, like, not necessarily like did this, but two of the guest actors that I worked with were so fucking good and went with every riff. One was James Lipton. Oh yeah. I have a whole side story about him, but he was phenomenal, man. Anything I threw out there, I'd riff and he would roll with it. In the prison? Yeah, he was great. And then who was the other guy? Tommy Toon.

Oh wow, really? Yeah. We did who's the other guy? Tommy Toon. Oh, wow. Really? Yeah. We did a scene and it was a season four and I'm in his office. I can't remember what the deal is, but I don't know what, I haven't even fucking seen those. But it's, it's, uh, I'm just riffing and he's going with everything. It was like five minutes before the director came in and was like, all right, that's great. We got plenty. And he just rolled with everything. He had the most, I mean, he's obviously a dancer, but he was such a tall man and such incredible posture. He just had it.

How about his energy? He's like 80 fucking years old. Yeah, and just a complete presence about him. And just like, I don't know if it's like clean livin' or something, but his energy is, everything was, you know. Yeah. I remember meeting you for the first time and when we kind of got together for that table read.

And I had- I don't remember that. And it was, when we kind kind of first meeting all the cast and I had kind of known your stuff and I was like, oh, I don't know how, I don't know how David's, how David's gonna, how we're gonna get along, how David's gonna like me. I mean, we ended up being fine.

But it was that sense of like, just kind of navigating, cause again, kind of I say, I already said this, but it's like, you are a very kind guy, but I came in with not knowing what that perception was. Yeah, a lot of people think I'm a, if you go on the internet, which, or social media, all those things, reddits, whatever, oh, there are people, I mean, nobody knows me, but people who don't know me are like, that guy's an asshole. I've heard he's a dick.

He's a, you know, and I'm sure I was truculent with some folks, but it's. But it's not, to me, it's not even that. It's not about the material you do. It's the. Well, the persona. The persona, but also you're, there's, I think sometimes with comic actors, comic worlds, it can be of a bit of a bit fest. Yes, absolutely. And

it's sometimes in that bit fest no one not only is nobody having a conversation, nobody wants to have a conversation. Yeah, I totally get that. And so not not knowing is this a person that we're just gonna be able to have a conversation with, just kind of that kind of a thing, you know? Yeah. Well, I don't know if you remember this, but we were shooting the pilot and we were all at the, what, the Ritz Carlton or something like that, a Marina Del Marais, something like that, uh, you know, we had several days of shooting around there. Oh, it was a Lucille's penthouse. Yeah.

And, and so we were there for a couple of days and we were in somebody's room, might've been yours, might've been Jason's, uh, and we invaded Iraq. Do you remember that? Mm hmm. Uh, um, well, it was a thing that happened where the United States of America. I was in a complete cloud of anxiety.

Iraq is a big country in the Middle East, not the American Middle East, Middle East on the big global thing. But of course that's a perspective because you would have to be looking at it. The Earth is round. I know you're flat earth, but the earth is round and so you can look at it. Now we're talking crazy. Anyway, we had, we invaded and it was, uh, um, and I was not shy about my opinions on the, on the matter.

And it was, uh, it was, it was tense. I don't know if you were in that room. I thought we were all in there. I probably was. I genuinely. You curled up into a fetal position and went under the bed. It wouldn't surprise me.

I was just, I've that whole year, I feel like I was just in a cloud of anxiety. Yeah. Why? Just cause, Oh, it's a new. It was new. I was very, um, I've said this a lot, but I was just over, I was very, I've said this a lot, but I was just,

I was very overwhelmed by, I was so excited to get the job, but I had never been on a lot. I had never, it was like the dream was coming true and just, and wanted to be in my skin, but wasn't in my skin. And I am not at all method, but I'm also playing this incredibly emasculated,

defensive, terrified character. And I was like, well, thank God. Well, you're me by the way. But like, thank God I wasn't playing a confident character because I was just like completely, I don't know, I was just- A bit of a stretch. I felt like I was not listening to anybody and I was just kind of in this anxious cloud a little bit.

You know, wanting to please. How long had you been in LA before you got the job? We moved there for that. Oh, no kidding. We got married in New York and 10 days before we got married, the show got picked up. Wow. And we were like, oh, and Martel was working on,

as a makeup artist on SNL, she had been there for seven years and I was like. Wait, does she know my ex-girlfriend, Sarah Egan? She must. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure she does. We've talked about this, I think. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Cause Sarah and I were together when we shot the pilot. And then for the first season. Was she on SNL when you shot the pilot? No, but I mean, she's been on there for years. And so she had not started on SNL when you shot the pilot? No, but I mean, she's been on there for years and won numerous Emmys. So she had not started on SNL when you shot the pilot? No. Oh, okay, because Martel was finishing up.

Okay. Because that's when we moved to LA. So, and there's, is Louie? Yeah, Louie. Louie and Michael, is it Michael? Yeah, all right, cool. But like we moved right after the wedding and so we were both kind of in this place of,

okay, trying to find a place to live and also not really ready to leave New York just yet. But so incredibly grateful for the gig. And also just kind of coming on and being like, oh, I want them to think I'm funny or like, all that kind of circling that kind of stuff. And then, it was just odd. Did you have,

or tell me what your, how do I, I don't wanna make this a leading question. Oh, fuck it, I'll just say that I, my experience, I was just talking to somebody else about this, shooting the pilot, cause I had just moved to New York the year prior and I loved, that's where I've been angling to get to New York. What I had said to everybody was I moved to LA to make enough money to move away from LA and never have to move back. And money or get in a place in my career where I

can do that. And I was loving my life. I was having so much fun and then got this pilot offer and I was really reluctant. I had to kind of be talked into it. They asked me to look at initially to look at Buster and Joe, which I did not have a handle on and, but immediately got Tobias, et cetera, et cetera. Went out to shoot the pilot because it was going to be reoccurring. I do like six episodes

and that's the only way I was going to do it. Oh yeah, I keep forgetting about that actually. And then Dirt while we're shooting, like unlike any other project I was on, uh, while we're shooting the pilot going, this is really special. This is really great. This cast who I didn't know half of is amazing. The casting is perfect. The, the materials fun, they're letting us fuck around. is amazing. The casting is perfect. The materials

fund, they're letting us fuck around. This is a special, this is going to be special and I need to be a part of this. I had no frame of reference. I had mainly done commercials in New York. And so I wanted a sitcom so bad that I was, I mean, I was just so thankful to have, and the fact that it was good, I was like, wow,

that's, this is just a huge bonus. Did you know it was good? Like, were there stages, like the scripts good and the cast good and the shooting was good? Oh yeah, I did, I mean, I knew it was different. And I was, I mean, at the time, Waiting for Guffman was like a really big. And the Russo brothers were great to work with.

And the Russo brothers were great to work with. So I guess what I'm saying is I didn't have anything to compare it to experiential. I mean, what with any TV I've done, you know? So I was just like, wow, this is, cause that was my very first regular role in a show, you know? Yeah. I didn't have like, cause Jason came from his career.

So he had a lot to compare it to, I didn't have that. Yeah. But it was, I mean, at the same time, I'm just like, everybody is so funny. And I think I probably was the one that broke the most, but like Jeffrey Tambor just how dry he is. And, you know, Jessica would just like, just throw the one liners out in her timing, you know, and, and Jason just being the, the, the guy in the middle, who's just having to bounce off the crazy and wills arrogance and you're just complete detachment as Tobias.

I mean. All right. Well, I, I can see that you're being sarcastic and my phone has a sarcasm detector. Is absolutely phenomenal. Did you not turn off your notifications? I didn't because this is a recent edition and I did it because my daughter loves it. And there have been a good four or five occasions and twice during these things where there's a poignant thing and then, or you're trying to be truthful, right?

And then it will pop in with the best timing. So the first one was when you were evicted. Yeah. Sad trombone. Great. Um, so I'm leaving it. But like, but you're kind of complete. Well, here we go.

This is going to be a new feature of the podcast. I'm just leaving my phone on. Was that the ring camera again? Yes. Okay. Great. Um, anyways. My wife's getting some, uh, either tinctures,

some oils, uh, unnecessary. I mean, it's all unnecessary. Uh, uh, maybe a, a special pillow for her ear. Uh. Is she having problems? Yeah, no, no, she doesn't. Oh. But she just, uh, you know, women be shopping.

And my wife knows that. Women be shopping. Yeah, I close with that. Anyways, I was wanting to give you a huge compliment because the way you did Tobias. That's not what we're here for. I don't even want to hear it. No, no, no. Stop talking.

Stop talking. No, no, no, no, no. But you're detached from the character. Have some fake grapes. Do you want some fake grapes? I don't want any fake grapes. Why are there fake grapes here? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Right, so why do you even, you got something to be set dressing that no one is ever gonna see? On a wider shot. Oh, okay. For those of you watching this and not listening, there's a plate of plastic, and the four colors we got, light green, dark green, purple, dark purple and light purple, and they're all on top of each other. And- And there's a color scheme going on in the room. light purple, dark purple and light purple, and they're all on top of each other. And there's a color scheme going on in the room. That is true, you're right. Of a fuchsia, a green.

It's grape. It's clearly inspired by grapes. It's smelling grapes, neon grapes. Anyway, you're not allowed to compliment us, so let's move it to something else. I know. And you're all over the place. Oh, I want to say, you got to go from arrested to Veep. Holy moly. Well, not right to, there was a few years in between, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, that's just, what a run, man. Yeah, it was, yeah, I was, I mean I that much that looked like just so much fun.

It was really fun and it was I think I I think I appreciated it a lot more having you know been on having been in the business a little longer uh so I just and just and you do know Julia? Yeah. Yeah. I just did a movie with her a couple of just You hurt my feelings. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah, and I mean she's just she's she's not the number one She was in arrested. Remember? Yeah So we were both asked on That little. So we were both asked on separate occasions if we worked together on Arrested and both of us said no. And then somebody sent us a screenshot

of us in a scene together talking to each other across the table. So we both blocked it out. That happens a lot. Does it? Yeah, I mean, for me, I'll be like, no, I don't think we've met. What are you talking about?

I drove you to San Francisco. It was a five and a half hour drive. Just you and me, I'll be like, no, I don't think we've met. What are you talking about? I drove you to San Francisco. It was a five and a half hour drive. Just you and me. Right. Yeah, but I don't think that drive is like cemented in time on like screenshots and video. Is it? No, but it shouldn't have to be, you know, uh, and

that'd be weird to have like a dash cam pointed at, if you've giving somebody a ride, you go like, okay, I'll give you a ride to San Francisco. It's, you know, it's minimum five and a half hours. We just go up to five. But do you mind if I videotape you the entire time? I think would be odd. That would be odd. But not as odd as somebody videotaping you the entire time and then not telling you. And they go, and here's a screenshot from when I took you. I'm like, what? I mean, I see it's a picture, but what do you mean screenshot? It was a doc that aired. Yeah,

but not on anything major. It was like Tooby or something like that. So nobody saw it. Tooby's crying in the corner after you said that. Oh, Tooby. Tooby. That wasn't nice David. They're trying to gain their reputation, that wasn't very kind. What was I gonna say? Oh yeah, Veep, and then,

oh, holy moly, I just remembered this, or just realized this. You took up the chipmunk mantle. Oh yes.. Yeah, I did. We never talked about this. No. Oh. How was your experience? Great. Okay. Yours was not good. On the third movie. Yeah, the first two were fine. Yeah. And enjoyable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The third one was inexplicable. Phony. That's enough out of you. I'm being serious here. Phony. It was-

But David. Phony. David, let me. Who was I talking to? I was talking to somebody. Shit, who was I in here with yesterday? Wait, it's up on the board, right? Oh, Scott. Talking about, with Scott get angry, but then when they do get angry and they go off on somebody, somebody who never says a bad word about anybody, and I know a handful of them, you're one of them and I'm not going to bring anything up, but seeing you go off one time on this person was like, wow, I didn't know you had it in you. Are you serious?

Yeah, yeah, totally. Oh, I'm trying to think. We'll talk about it later. Okay, okay, okay. But it was, but as we shared, Scott and I shared an experience with the same, extremely nice, this most pleasant sweetheart actor who, you know, just like, oh my God, you know,

from zero to 60 and what was really, and you're you're one of those people, I think. It's like, I remember Elijah Wood. Oh really? There was, he's the nicest guy in the world. Yeah, sure. And super pro and very, just a sweetheart. And there was like somebody had mentioned in passing,

oh, I was doing this and he like went off. I was like, holy shit. Wow. It's almost like when, if it's the person I think you're talking about, it's when the therapy tools run out. You know, so for show. Can you become human again, primal. But you, you know, you've done the exercises

and you're also trying to give the grace of- Yes. Of seeing the brokenness of the other person and being like, you know what, I don't know their history. And that's when that runs out. Yeah, and that's what you should do. That's what one should do rather than just blow up. Yeah, yes.

And at the same time, I think there are ways to not let it blow up. This is where you can politely set boundaries that I don't think I probably should have set boundaries with for a long time. And then when something happens that, that matches. It's like, it's like, um, it, to a lesser degree, but, uh, I'll have a, a completely imaginary conversation with my wife in my head about a thing that bothered me the day before.

Yeah. And I'm, you know, I, I happened to run errands and I'm, I'm happy to be just better. And I'm, you know, I happen to run errands and I'm, I'm happy to be just better. And I'm not listening to music and this thing happens and then it's sitting in there. And then the next time of a relatively innocuous thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your reaction is, well, that's cause you didn't fucking do the dishwasher right or whatever the thing is. And you're like, and you hear yourself like, oh, that's inappropriate. Yeah. Yeah.

Or I'll do this thing where something will happen where I'm like, well, I'm gonna put that in a list, bring it up later. Oh my goodness. Santa Claus. That's insane. But it's just like- Well, I'm just realizing the connection

between Santa Claus and like communist dictators. Lists. Can you go into that? Lists. Mm, lists. Can you go into that? Lists. Oh lists. Yeah, Franz Liszt, they all listen to Franz Liszt. Okay, right when you said that, I thought you said lisp. Well, phony.

That's enough of that. David, I want you to pay attention to me. David, are you listening to me? All right. You still didn't turn it off, did you? I did. I did. So, they're purifying. No, feel free to read your emails. That's fine. Yeah. Amber, would you want to go to the premiere of TV?

Michael Jackson. Oh, okay. Oh yeah. Oh. Oh yeah. Which premiere does he have coming out? What? Does Michael Jackson have a premiere coming out?

Michael R. Jackson. Michael R. Jackson. Michael R. Jackson. Michael R. Jackson. Michael R. Jackson. Michael R. Jackson. Michael R. Jackson. Michael R. Jackson. premiere of Michael Jackson. Oh, okay. Oh yeah. Oh. Oh yeah. Which premiere does he have coming out? What? Does Michael Jackson have a premiere coming out?

Michael R Jackson, the guy that did Strange Loop, the Broadway musical, which is amazing by the way. Okay. Highly recommend it. It was, that's one of the best shows I've seen. And it's called Strange Loop? Strange Loop.

Yeah. It's great. It won the Pulitzer and the Tony. It's phenomenal. You saw that. He's called Strange Loop? Strange Loop, yeah. It's great. It won the Pulitzer and the Tony. It's phenomenal. He's a Mr. Show fan too. Did you see this recently? Oh, just now? Oh, the musical? The play? Musical? Maybe half a year ago. Because I'm going next week to New York and I'm curious. It's not on, it's they, it's not, it's not on Broadway anymore. Is there anything that you have seen that you love?

No, I haven't seen, I saw a, I think it's gone now, a play called Wolf Play, which I really enjoyed at Soho Rep. My wife, Amber's a big, she's on the board of Soho Rep, so she sees a lot of stuff and she'll say like, you gotta go see this play. You gotta go see this play. Um, um.

Is her family, where is her family, Amber's? Uh, west side down the, down the tent. Yeah. Do you guys, so do you guys come out here for holidays and stuff? Um, we not, we have a couple of times, but, uh, um, but now that Marlo's in school, it's a little different. For Thanksgiving, every year we go to Atlanta. That's our big family holiday,

and all my family, most all my family's still in Atlanta. And so we'll go to Atlanta for Thanksgiving. And then Christmas is usually, we've come here, but it's usually either upstate or in the city just because of scheduling and logistical stuff. But- I think that's great that Marlo can have those. We've done that with Lloyd going back and forth and she's got really great relationships with her cousins and all that. Yeah, her cousin babysits, you know, is in, lives in Brooklyn or lives in Manhattan. But yeah, I mean, that kid is well traveled,

that's for sure, which is important, I think. And, you know, seeing a lot, she was on the tour bus. I mean, she's too young to remember, but when she was three, I wanna say, three, three and a half. What is the tour bus like? Do you sleep on there, right? Yeah. I'm asking really dumb questions, but-

It's kind of dumb. It's kind of a question. But here's my question about it, is if I'm in a car and I'm falling asleep, it's hard for me to sometimes think, it's like a control thing where it's like surrendering to the driver. Oh, absolutely.

So you are not the only person who has that. So do you have a hard time sleeping on the tour bus with kind of surrendering your, like how to get comfortable knowing that somebody else is in charge of that? It's definitely something you have to kind of, you're aware of, but eventually you just do, you know, and you try not to think of Metallica and, No.

And, or Def Leppard. And you just do, you get a 100% necessity, And you just do, you get a 100% necessity, a must is really good earplugs, like those kind of jelly ones that sort of mold, press it in and kind of holds it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I would think that's just one big white noise machine, you wouldn't need those.

Well, it's too much. It's too loud. And you're over the wheels too. You're in the middle or the back. Is it like a bunk bed situation? Yeah, like triple. You got three on, you get six on either side, depending on the bus you get, or six on either side.

And you just, after a point, just surrender, you just have to kind of not go into narratives of what could happen. Like that's life in general. Yeah, you have to. And you can take a book in there and try to, it's tiny, it's a little space, but you do it enough. I mean, you do it on planes. I mean, it's like you're're kind of- Yeah, yeah.

Giving yourself over to that. Yeah, but sometimes the drive is, you're leaving at 12.30 in the morning and you get to the bus and you're hanging out. Especially if you've done a show and you're all amped up and adrenaline's going, you have a few drinks and I don't know if you bring a video game set or just shoot the shit or listen to a CD or something.

And then you go to sleep and then you wake up and if you have to go to the bathroom, you go, hey, can we make a pit stop or whatever? You still got four hours to go maybe before the driver has to go to sleep and you hang out. You get to, you know, hey, can we make a pit stop or whatever? You still got four hours to go, maybe before the driver has to go to sleep. And you hang out, you get to, you know, and sometimes I make sure I'm up because we're going through the British Canadian Rockies,

which are stunning. I don't know if you've ever driven, I mean, the American Rockies are great too, but there's something, the British Canadian Rockies are just that and a half. And then do you, because if you're doing that, then you're obviously not going to a hotel, obviously. So then do you like take a nap in the bus before your gig or something? No, because often, because understandably, it's mandated by law that the bus driver has to have

X amount of sleep. So you will get a hotel when you get in there to the city because he's got to sleep. Or she, or she, or they have to sleep. And so then there'll be a hotel room, sometimes you're doing two shows, two days, so you will have a hotel and that happens quite often. They park the bus and then you're, two shows, you know, two days, so you will have a hotel and, you know, that happens quite often. They park the bus and then you're, you know, I've also gone to the bus when I've had a hotel room because I'm like, there's more of my shit is in the bus and I wanna hang out in the bus, you know. When do you go on tour again?

I'm probably going out in the fall this year. And you go for how long? I mean, it'll be however long it takes. It's a little different now that Marlowe's in school, but I'll do like anywhere from 60 to 75 shows in the US, and then I'll do like six, seven, eight, nine in Canada and then eight, nine, 10 in Europe. I was in Italy for six months last year.

Nice. On a job. Wow, what was it? It was called the, it's called the Decameron, it's a limited series that takes place. Wait, based on the film? Oh wow, cool. And it's really great, but it's that travel.

I mean, I've done- We're in Italy. Rome. Oh wow, gosh, that's the best part of this job, I'd say. Yeah, but the reason I say yes, and it was amazing, but with the family, that was tricky. Sure.

Because usually when I've done gigs that are out, you can always fly back on weekends or every other day or something like that. Being that far away was definitely, that was a little tricky to navigate. Yeah. And I'm excited when, because Loy's graduating high school this year,

it was really thankful that just, because you never know when jobs are gonna come, I was really thankful to be home for her senior year. But when she graduates, it's gonna be nice cause Martel can travel with me a little more, you know. Sure, is she gonna go to college or? She's kind of right now waiting to, I think it's March when she hears from all.

What is she interested in? She wants to do elementary education. Oh, that's awesome. To be a teacher. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Great, great, great. Really sweet. So Tony, I end every episode, as you're well aware, with-

Is this the census thing? The census thing. The name five senses? No. Cause didn't you have it, you have yet to get- Name five senses. Or not name five senses. Why would I? Your favorite, who?

Your favorite, your favorite smells. No, cause you haven't gotten to that. I was, oh anyways, go ahead. Yeah. So I end with a question from my daughter Marla. That too. Oh, that's right. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

But also you can name the five senses if you want. Shut up, shut up, shut up. It's fun. Shut up. It's not fun cause you haven't done it. Just naming them is fun. No. See, hear, touch up, shut up. It's fun. Shut up. It's not fun because you haven't done it. Just naming them is fun? No. See, hear, touch, smell, taste.

Ha ha ha, that was fun. Oh, okay, do you remember this? Do you remember being on tour in, not tour, we were doing a publicity situation and I wanna say like Denmark or something like that and you and I were doing an interview and you started running around the room. No, I've no. Dude, I don't remember a lot, but I remember this. You and I were in an interview and these people

could have cared less about Arrested Development because no one, but they sent us to Europe to do press for it. Yeah, yeah. I remember being, yeah, we did Copenhagen and Stockholm. Yes, yes. And so we were in a room and you were just like, why are we here? We were both like, why are we here? They don't care. We don't care. I mean, all this kind of stuff. We were getting a nice, you know, trip.

And in the middle of the, you started running around the room and then hiding behind the couch and making noises. I'm not kidding. I don't remember that. And I was like, well, this is probably the thing that we need. This is going to get us at least attention. Well, that kind of behavior started with Bob and I. I'm not kidding. I don't remember that. And I was like, well, this is probably the thing that we need, this is gonna get us at least attention.

Well, that kind of behavior started with Bob and I, Bob Odenkirk and I, when we were doing press for Mr. Show, which was the first thing I ever had to do press for. We had a rule that if it was clear that the person interviewing us didn't know the show, didn't know us, didn't know anything about it. Then we would just fuck around.

And so I've been doing that for a long, long, long time. There's something on the internet. I think I brought this up before, but somebody, uh, Derek Waters sent it to me, I believe. Uh huh. He's a nice man. Yeah, he's great.

Um, a clip of me doing EPK for Kung Fu Panda where the person didn't know anything about it, so I was just making crazy shit up about what the movie was about, about a dentist who can fly and it starts live action and then becomes anime and all this. And they're like, Oh wow, interesting. And, um, it just go, it's like 15 minutes long of nonsense and it's somewhere out there. But okay. So here is the question.

Okay. Tony Hale. Yeah. Uh, from Marlowe. I love, I love that you do this. Oh, good. Good. Um, where do clouds come from?

Um, that's a great question. And, um, I would say moisture in the, okay. Um, it's kind of a, when you, You're having a tough time with this. I know. Where'd you go to school? I, I did not actually. I'm self-taught.

It's so, hold on. You know how water can be steam, ice or... Got one left. Got one left. Steam, ice or just water. Sure. It's a form of liquid. Got one left. Steam, ice, or just water. Sure. It's a form of liquid. Liquid, yeah.

It's the form of that. This is how much David Cross makes me nervous. Why, it's a question from my daughter. It is a form of that in the sky. So it's ice or it's water? No, it's like a form of condensed moisture steam in the sky, something like that, on a high elevation. Dude.

God. Why did you have to give me like a serious science question? You want a different one? Yes. Okay. You're the first person to get two. Shut up, David Cross. All right, here's a-

Oh, God, this is my nightmare. Okay, here we go. I'm sweating. I'm seriously sweating. I will skip this one. No, skip whatever scientific political- Okay, well, I won't give you this. God, I'm genuinely sweating. Oh, God. Okay. Oh, that's a sciency one. Oh. Oh, here's one.

This is a good one. This is a good one. I swear to God, if this, okay. I usually pick one out, you know, based on the person, but I'm, so this isn't, here, I'll just say it, okay? Is it the most shame-based one you have and that's why you picked it for me? No, I've skipped over a lot of, you know,

scientific-y ones. All right, ready for me? No, I've skipped over a lot of scientific ones. All right, ready for this? This is a good one. This is a good one for you. What does love look like? Oh, I do like that one. That is nice. Oh, okay.

That's also hard to explain. Oh, that's sweet. Love looks like, oh, I love that she asked that. I just have to keep saying that. What does love look like? It is when you can see someone, the care in their eyes for someone else and they're putting someone else's needs before their own

in a very beautiful and healthy way. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Tony Hale. Thanks for coming down. Thanks for doing this. It's a pleasure as always to see you and I really enjoyed this. That was so nerve wracking, that cloud thing. You know, recently I was at a party and somebody asks me like a trivia question and it's every middle school anxiety terror just floods my body and I'm like, oh God, it's like you're naked on a stage, that's the actor's nightmare. So what do you like at a pub quiz?

You must be. I don't go. I will never go on Jeopardy. I don't go to those things. Well that's a bit of a leap. Nobody's asking you to go on Jeopardy. I don't go to those things. Well, that's a bit of a leap. Nobody's asked you to go on Jeopardy. I won't go to those. I won't go on Jeopardy.

Okay. I was asked. I was asked to do. Oh, like Celebrity Jeopardy. Celebrity Jeopardy, yeah. And I said no. Now I wanna see one. Now I wanna see one.

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