Senses Working Overtime with David Cross - Veronika Slowikowska

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

Veronika Slowikowska (What We Do In The Shadows) joins David to discuss Toronto, the dentist, and more. Catch all new episodes every Thursday. Watch video episodes here.Guest: Veronika SlowikowskaSubscribe and Rate Senses Working Overtime on Apple Podcasts and Spotify and leave us a review to read on a future episode!Follow David on Instagram and Twitter.Follow the show:Instagram: @sensesworkingovertimepodTikTok: @swopodEditor: Kati SkeltonEngineer: Nicole LyonsExecutive Producer: Emma FoleyAdvertise on Senses Working Overtime via Gumball.fm.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. I'm gonna give you your option to sit either in the chair or the couch totally up to you I do that for everybody you're not special or are you not special you're not you're not I'm gonna do the chair okay that feels is it like a squiggly one? Uh, yes. Yep. And that's what I like. That'll do.

Um, alright. Perfect. Is Nicole coming in? We're rolling. Yeah, Nicole's coming. Perfect, perfect. Um... Maybe water, ice water.

But no rush at all. Okay, great. Where are you coming from? Um, the United States. The United States. Okay. But no, no rest at all. Okay, great. Where are you coming from? The United States. The United States. Yep. Not me. No? Where are you coming from?

Canada. Okay. But I like live here now. You took the train from Canada? No wonder you had issues. Yeah, a little train from Toronto. Are you from Toronto? I'm from Toronto. I'm like from this like little little town small town, um, like north of like two hours north of Toronto and then moved To New York in September. So I am like not that new but I'm pretty new. I love I love Toronto. Yeah. Yeah quite a bit Yeah, have you spent some time there? I have yeah. Um I was stuck during the

during thank you. COVID. How precious is this table? Hey, this is this is plastic guy. This is plastic over metal. Listen. It's gotta be. Oh, this is. It's really efficient using the space also. I'll tell you what, yes. Because, yes, it is literally about 10% of the room is... You don't... you know what... I like the coasters. That's what I'm... that's what I'm vibing on. They're so into fucking design and pottery barn... Bullshit.

Yeah, listen, I mean, look at... look around. Right? Nobody... this isn't a real thing. That's a fake plant. That's fake. Nobody. Are these awards are real or they are. Oh, they made they were they were created by head gum. Right. That's a fake book. Yeah, that's that's fake. Perfect. That was one of those.

Give a you know, a thousand monkeys a typewriter thing. Right. Right. They came up with that Blink 182 album. That was one of those give a thousand monkeys a typewriter thing. Right, right. And they came up with that. Blink 182 album. Where? Back there, behind. Oh yeah. It's actually hidden,

because I think it's. Yeah, it's a dated reference. It's a dated reference and it's kind of, it's like sexy. It's very sexy. It has to be hidden from the podcast. A sexy, sexy album. Veronica, how do you pronounce your last name? Can I take a crack at it? Go ahead here Let me pull it up on my thing. Hang on one second. Oh wait, no calendar

Slowakowska pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, what is it? My sister and I say it differently. I say slow Pretty good, yeah. Yeah? What is it? My sister and I say it differently. I say Słowikowska. It's your name. It's not crazy. Well, because in Polish, it's Słowikowska. Okay.

And then in English, we both just like have made up like phonetic pronunciation. So how do you say it? Słowikowska. Słowikowska. And she says Słowikowska, how you said it, I think. Like a cow. And I said, hmm, I said, don't call me that.

You'd rather have co, the abbreviation for company. Yeah, that's right. Because that's what I am, a CEO. That's very clever. Did you trademark that? No, but I say it a lot. But I think I've heard, I think I maybe have stolen it, but I don't know. Right. A CEO. Yeah, because girl boss. I understand.

So I need to explain that. Okay. No, no problem I think everyone's gonna So you are Oh, let me ask you this. Is there anything what would you like me to say about you? Oh my god Or what do you want to say yourself? I don't even know. I'm like, I mean, I have a podcast and... You say that like everybody says it. I have a fucking podcast.

I got a little sheepishly, a little bit of shame, bit of... Yeah. Just not a lot, but a little bit of like, you know... Are you like, I have a podcast. I have a podcast as well. Okay, and that's how you say it? I have a podcast. No, no, I don't. I say it, the reason I laughed is

cause I share the same kind of, you know, shoulder shrug, you know, yeah. I mean, yeah, I, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I got one. I know, I know. So I have a podcast and then I- But I will, and I'm sorry to interrupt

cause that's twice now. Yeah. But I wouldn't be doing, and I'm sorry to interrupt because that's twice now. Yeah. But I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't enjoy it and I do enjoy it. So there's that. Same with me. Yeah. I have the exact same thing.

I love doing it. I do it with my comedy partner and we just like, we put our phones away and we just chat and laugh. And it's so fun. But yeah, I don't know what it is that makes you feel or makes me feel insecure about having a podcast, but. Well, I think it's the same thing that I share that it's like every, it's not special

and it's almost seems obligatory and everybody has one. So it's like, I don't know, I'm trying to think of an analogy. It's akin to saying, you know. Emma Google, I I have a podcast space, no dash, no slat forwards, backwards slash. No, what's no, forward, backward slash, no. What's this one? Backwards, backward slash, trite, cliche, question mark. So there's that.

So there is that. Yeah. Great, and then I- What's the name of your podcast? Nevermind. Okay. All one word, yeah, like the Nirvana album. Sure.

But we didn't think of it. We didn't steal that from them. You thought of it after Nirvana came out with Never Mind, though? We thought of it like, yeah, 1990. Oh, before? Yeah, before. Oh, shit. Before I was born, too.

Oh, my goodness. How was that? I mean, I know there's a lot of advancement in prenatal care in Canada, but so how did that work out? How did that work out? It was just kind of like meant to be kind of thing. And then they took it after and ran with it. And since it's a band and it's a podcast,

it was two separate things. So we never really like pressed charges or anything like that. Yeah, I don't know if you can press charges on that. I don't know how it works in Canada, but you wouldn't be able to press charges. I think it works that way. But I also wanna go back to your explanation

of how it came to be with, wait, how'd you describe it? It was meant to be. Meant to be. And so I don't know if that's really a scientific explanation. So, okay. So, in my, no, I was going to say in my dad, my, you know, I was in my dad. Your dad stole it for you? Yeah, because I was part of my dad and part of my mom.

More your dad. I think it was a little bit my dad. Let's give a shout out to dads out there for doing the least they can do. Least they can do. To contribute to the overpopulation of the planet. I think my dad was in communist Poland at that time. He was doing his thing. Yeah, 1990?

Wait. Yeah. When did it, when did, uh, when did he get elected? I thought that was 89. 89? 89. Maybe 89, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he moved.

And how do I know more about your history? I don't, because I don't care. I'm just kidding. I care. I really care. Um, no, uh, 89, 89. And 89, but it was 89, 90, right? Yeah, I think 89, I mean, well, the Solidarity Movement started earlier, right?

At the shipyards, and then he became elected president, or was it president? Was that the position or premier or? Prime minister? Prime minister. Don't ask me, I'm not, I don't have roots there. I think prime minister. That would have been, gosh.

Or president, I don't know. I think it was. I think it was. President. I'm gonna say pre-90. Pre-90, probably. And he moved to Canada. Valesa?

Who? Lech Valesa. What'd you say? Lech. Lech, aha, yes, yes, yes. Valesa. Valesa. Valesa.

Valesa. With a W. With a Valesa. We're saying the same thing, yeah. No, he moved in like, I think I think 89 and he was in the- Lech-Velesa? No, my father. Oh, okay.

My dad. Wait, your father was Lech-Velesa? Yes. How do you not know more about this stuff? I don't know. It's your dad for Christ's sake. No, my dad is a lovely name. He's a lovely name, Mark.

His name is Mark. Ah, Mark. Or Marek. Yeah. Marek. Marek. Yeah. Yeah. Mark. Marek. Marek. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Marek.

And he's, yeah, he was in the monastery when he moved to Canada. Wow. Is this boring? No. No, no, I'm by, he was in the monastery. Uh, so he was one of those, he's a like a sex having priest. Monk.

Monk. I don't think he was doing it then. I haven't asked. I think he did it before. Do you? Can I ask how old you are? That's right. I'm that's right. You can. I'm 28. Alright, so I'm going back. So that's. 95.

Oh, oh, he was here. Okay, he was in Canada already. Yeah. Got it. So he was a monk and then dropped out. Yeah, because he met my mom in back. So he was living kind of in Canada. He came here to the United States on retreats and Canada and decided Canada was a cooler place to be.

Like he scouted it. He was just doing like monk retreats with his monastery. Where? Sure. I think like Ontario, that's where he ended up. Where in the States did he? The States? Like Buffalo or some shit.

I don't remember, but around. Like he was really- Like Pasaic or? Where was it? Like retreats where you just like don't talk. Oh, but around, like he was really... Like Psyche or... Where was it? Like retreats where you just like don't talk. Oh, those guys, yeah. Those kind of ones, yeah. So then what was it about Ontario that he preferred to wherever he was in the United States?

Did he ever mention that? Yeah, I think just Canada in general. I'm so sorry he passed, by the way. You what? I'm sorry. No, it's okay okay thanks and um he chose Canada because so he was in the monastery he's always been into like theology but he's not exactly like like Catholic or anything you know I don't know I think I

think he was kind of escaping the being in the army was that, was that energy. Oh, hello. Yeah. Now we've come. Now we're talking. Now we're talking. And so. Now it's making more sense.

Yeah. So he did that and then came back to, uh, you know, to visit his parents in Poland and then met my mom, who is also Polish from the same town on a sailing trip for two weeks and then they just kind of fell in love and then he convinced her to move. Like, here. Wow, that's great. And does she have any regrets?

Let's talk. No, now no. I think for a while there it was hard. Like she was 24 at the time, 23, 24. Did either of them speak any English before they, wow. Yeah, and they did the whole thing and like moving. I guess you don't have to speak, it doesn't matter if you don't speak the language

if you're not talking, if you're on a silent retreat. Retreat, yeah, exactly it. So they didn't really talk for the first four years and then they started talking after English because they learned it. But no, so they didn't know English moved and then they first did like letters for like a year and a half and it was, it's kind of a beautiful story. And my dad was like, you know, they were doing

like long distance calls and whatever. And then he just told me this story where he didn't know if she was interested still, and my mom's best friend lived in Chicago, so he, like, did this kind of spontaneous trip to Chicago to talk to my mom's best friend to see if she was still, like, interested and down, and then she was, and then she moved, yeah. And then I was born, like, I guess.

I gotta say, your English is very good. Thank you. It's exceptional, yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah. I was born in Canada. You what? I was born in Canada.

Still. Thank you. I didn't speak English till- Even in spite of that. Thank you so much. Yeah. I didn't speak English till I went to preschool. Yeah, I really didn't speak English until I was, gosh,

I mean outside of a handful of words until I was around three ish, three, four. Do you speak another language? Um, I mean, yes and no. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Uh, see and no.

See and uh and no. See and no. Okay, go off. Yeah. Wait. Yeah, wait, I'm sorry, go off or wait? You go off means like go off, like yes. I know what they mean, but then you said wait. Like I was just like, wait, like wait a second.

We all heard you. No, you said go off. Yeah. And I was preparing to, and then you said wait, so I stopped. Oh, you said go off. Yeah. And I was preparing to and then you said wait, so I stopped. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Sorry. Sorry.

Sorry. Sorry. Got my bag here. Do you have a Canadian accent? Yeah. What words specifically? Bag. I can't get rid of it.

Tour. What's that? Tour. Going on tour? Tour. Going on tour. Oh, the little tour. That thing? Tour. I'm going on tour. I'm a comedian. I'm going on tour. I didn't really catch it when you said that, but now I got it. Yeah, tour.

What about loony? How do you say loony? Loony. How do you say toony? Loony and toony. Loony and toony. I feel like that's how it works. It takes a loony, eh? Like if you go to an old school Hmm. Looney and Tooney. Yeah. Looney and Tooney. I feel like that's how it works. It takes a looney, eh? Like if you go to an old school dive bar and there's like a jukebox. I think it takes a looney, eh?

That's right. And just any Tim Hortons anywhere in Canada. Like we actually, I was just home. Does Tim Hortons still accept cash? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone speaks that way. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone speaks that way.

Like I forgot, now I go like with my friends who I've known since forever and I'm like noticing how we have a full blown accent and before I was like, yeah, fucking right. And now I'm like, no, this is real. Yeah, but the Canadian accent is so, it's only applied to very certain specific things. And it's not, like I'd rather hear

any kind of Canadian accent than like harsh Midwestern, like especially like less with guys, but girls from Chicago, like hard, you know, like speak. Um, yeah, they're, you know, Hey, you know, listen to this little guy over here, you know, like that's not good, but a woman, right? Um, uh, the Canadian accents are somehow more pleasant to me. I mean, is it just because- To my ear. Yeah, is it because Canadians are, do you think we're nice? Or do you think that's like a stereotype?

I think it's a little both. I mean, I think Vancouver is some of the worst drivers I've ever, rudest drivers. And I spent nine and a half years in Boston where people are not good, nice drivers, New York, LA where they're just bad drivers, not necessarily rude. But Vancouver is some of the worst, when I drive in Vancouver, like that

thing where people won't let you in, won't let you merge. Yes. And I, it's just a weird aggro thing that you don't find. I never found that in Toronto. I never found, so I shouldn't say Canadian. It's regional, I suppose. But I've only been to Vancouver once in my life. It's cause it's so, I mean, obviously they're Canadian,

but it's the same kind of, I mean, but like, but to me, I'm like, that's not my, like they go on hikes. It's the same kind of thing as like LA versus New York, the classic debate. Right. But like, I liked the, it was scary there. Everything was on fire, which was terrifying. And everyone wants to go on hikes and everyone-

But everything in Vancouver was on fire. Well, no, but there were a lot of forest fires at the time. When was this? This was four years ago. It's like every summer now. They have really bad- Well, I know the big wildfires that affected us last summer was crazy.

Yeah. I mean, it was to know that they were so far away and that it got to the point where you couldn't see very well. And it was like, when you see those pictures of, the pollution in Shanghai, or Beijing shut down, you know, nobody was allowed out or whatever. It was like that kind of sky and you couldn't see, you know, buildings that you would normally see.

And it was all like pink and orange for a couple of days. It was weird. Oh, yeah. Like when you could smell it. Oh, for sure. And just to know it was so far away. It was when I first I was in this little town called Penticton when I was in BC and it was raining ash, like the day that I got there. It was like hell on earth.

Have you ever seen raining ash? Never. Oh, they're good, they're good. I saw them open up for three inches of blood. They're good. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, very good. Great, what do they sing?

Songs. Okay. Yeah. Rock and roll. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. Great. What do they sing? Songs. Okay. Yeah. Rock and roll ones. Rock and roll shanties. Shanties, okay. But with a rock and roll twist.

Twist. I like that. Well, I'll listen to them on Spotify. But it's not raining as in our like raining the precipitation, it's raining like a king. R-E-I-H-E, raining. Yeah, raining ash. And ash is A-S-H-E-E-E,

but the last three E's are silent. Actually they're all silent. Actually, ash is someone's name. That's like- I don't know the mythology they created. I don't, not that into the band. Yeah, no, no. I saw them open up for three, I don't know why the band. Yeah, no. I saw them open up.

Yeah. I don't know why you're pushing me on this. I saw them open up for three inches of blood. That's it. I enjoyed them. It was a long time ago. I was, you know, drunk and, you know, nodding out.

So I can't really, I enjoyed them. Okay, cool. That's all I got. And who's they open for again? The blood. Three inches of blood. Three inches of blood, okay. Cool. I'll check them out. That's all I got. Don't hold me to anything. And who are they open for again? They're open for the blood. Three inches of blood. Three inches of blood, okay.

Cool, I'll check them out. That's, you've heard of them. What else you got? I'm going on, I sometimes do shows and I do online stuff. Do you know that? I don't, I know nothing about you. I will tell you. Yeah, that's not my sphere, but it's coming true.

Don't be scared, that, no, no, no, no. I kind of like it. Well, good. Okay. The purpose of this podcast is, I like how you banged that and then I moved mine. The purpose of the, it's like when somebody has something in their throat

and then you clear your throat. Yeah. The purpose of the, or I shouldn't say the purpose of the podcast, the intent, the way I like to do it is just to have a conversation as if I met you in a bar and just talking with no pretense to it. No, I don't care about this thing.

The sense is working over time. I don't give a shit about that. I don't care about senses. I don't care about- Over time. Yeah. I don't care about this thing. The sense is working over time. I don't give a shit about that. I don't care about senses. I don't care about overtime. Yeah, I don't care. That's I don't in the in this context. I love the five senses. I really do. I have a appreciation affinity for all of them. But what's your favorite one? I think of them but what's your favorite one I think Talking isn't one. Let me think. I mean, it's hard. I guess if I were to put them in order, here's the thing. One of my favorite things to do is go for walks, especially walks in the woods. And the only sense I really need is sight.

So I'll say that is my favorite, even though probably hearing, if I had to rank them all, but the idea that I couldn't walk through the woods, and listen, blind people, don't write in. All right, you got a thing that you made in your ability to walk. Okay, don't, all right, all right, I can't, I know, I get it. All right, you got a thing that you know your ability to walk. Hey, don't

All right, I go. All right. I can't I know I get it. All right, but I that's a thing I don't I don't have that ability. It would take me several years after I lost my sight to be able to Master that ability and I just frankly don't have the time So the point is I just wanted to have a conversation. I don't want to, like, if we were at the bar at the double tree end, we had both done shows in Bloomington, Indiana, opposite parts of the, the city town.

Town. Yeah. And, um, and found ourselves there and then just struck up a conversation. town. Yeah. And, and found ourselves there and then just struck up a conversation, right? Right. And, you know, just having that conversation. Great. So I get to ask you stuff too.

Yeah, of course. Oh my gosh. No, no, this isn't an interview. Awesome. Yeah. Other, I mean, if it was, I would say thank you so much but no, you don't. We're not looking for what you have to offer, then you could leave.

Great. Because I know about you a lot more than you know about me. Yeah, I know nothing about you. That's great. Yeah. So you've learned. I know now. I know you're from Canada.

That's right. I know you're of Polish descent. That's right. Your dad was pretend monk to get out of the conscription, I guess. And not just Canadian, but I know you grew up outside of Toronto, although two hours, I don't think you get to say outside of Toronto. Yeah. That's your, you're not. It's not the GTA is what they call it.

The greater Toronto area. Even that, even the GTA still, because Toronto is massive sprawling and you can be in the GTA and still be quite a ways outside Toronto. For sure. So to say, yeah, once you get two hours outside of Toronto, you don't get to say a ways outside of Toronto. For sure. So to say, yeah, once you get two hours outside of Toronto, you don't get to say I'm outside of Toronto anymore.

I lived in Toronto for seven years. Great. So Toronto. As I said, I really enjoyed Toronto. I like it. I love, my shows are great there. I also know you do shows and you have a podcast called Nevermind.

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Atlanta, I mean that's a short answer. Oh, I was just there, I did a show there. Oh, where? Just the City Winery. Where's that? I don't know if that was there. Somewhere. It was one of those like land do show leave. Yeah. That could be for the best.

But it was, everyone was so sweet and really like, I'm learning a lot about America because I didn't, America, I didn't, not that I didn't care, I just didn't live here and I didn't know if I was ever going to live here. So now that I've jumped, I'm really just like on tour, learning about all these different places. So Atlanta. Yeah, Atlanta, I mean, there's lovely people there. And my family's still back there.

And I'm there three, four, five times a year because I got a kid and all my relatives, my family's still back there and I'm there three, four, five times a year because I got a kid and all my relatives, my family's there and so by extension, her family's there as well. So we go a lot and I will kind of forget until I get there. I'm like, oh yeah, people are nice. That's a nice way to live, to be polite. Yeah. And I don't find, I think there's a misconception about New Yorkers that they're rude and I don't think they're rude. No. I think they're brusque and there's no fucking bullshit, but they're also some of the friendly,

not friendlies, but most helpful people. Yes. bullshit, but they're also some of the friendly, not friendlies, but most helpful people I've ever, I've lived all over the place and many different places. And I would say New Yorkers are the most helpful. I totally agree. Yeah. I totally agree. That's like my new, I'm inspired.

I've lived here for almost a year now. My motto now, literally on the subway, is like, I just have to be tougher. Like I just, in a way that's like- Or exude that. Yeah, I just gotta get some thicker skin because when I first got here, I was like, what the fuck?

Well, there's a lot of myth and perception that's not exactly true. And if you watch Fox News or whatever, you think it's some kind of dystopic hellhole. Right, it's not. People are shooting and raping and stabbing and you know. Yeah. And it's not, of course not, you know.

And, but yeah, I've had numerous experiences where a neighborhood or street, even the block, will come together or the city like 9- like 9-11 or all kinds of things where you can't, you just don't see that happening in other places. And you don't, and I've been in, you know, as I said, I've lived in a lot of different places and, you know, they're curt, people here, you know, curt, and they can be very brusque and not pleasant really. And there's no room for bullshit, but absolutely the most helpful people I've experienced. Where in New York do you live?

Greenpoint. Oh, nice. Oh, Polish. I know, it was kind of like coincidence. I should have guessed it. My friends live there. It was kind of like a coincidence. Of course. I should have guessed it. My friends live there. And then so that was, and I lived in Park Slope for a while or like for a couple of months.

And then just recently in June I moved because we all work together and make videos and stuff. I've also seen you, my friends opened for you, Wolves of Glendale. Oh, I love those guys. Yeah. How do you know them, they're so sweet. I lived in LA for six months, one, like two, like after COVID. They opened up at Littlefield.

Littlefield, that's right. Yeah, that's right. So I was there. Oh, cool. Yeah, you were great. Oh, well, thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, I like those guys.

Those guys are, how are they doing? They're good, I think. Yeah, they're so talented. So are they living here or are they? No, they like those guys. Those guys are, how are they doing? They're good, I think. Yeah, they're so talented. So are they living here or are they? No, they're in LA. So I was out there and then Tom was my friend. I've opened for them in LA one time, twice maybe, but they're so, I'm like a musical theater kid at heart

and they're like, it's just incredible. I'm like, I'm such a sucker for musical comedy. Yeah. Yeah. Even though- Well, the music's good. The music's gotta be good. Yeah. That's first and foremost. Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that.

Cause they were out here and they just asked if they could, I don't even know how I came to know of them. Maybe I saw them in LA? I don't know. I don't remember. Yeah them in LA. I don't know. I don't remember. Yeah, they do, I don't know. Are you online much or not really? Not really, no.

I mean, I have a guy who, I'm sorry I'm scratching. I just, I got a little sun and it's, I've been back here so the skin's starting to, you know, do that thing. I thought you said like, I got a little son, like you have a little son. I do, I have a little son. I mean, he's 17, but he's a dwarf. And I mean, that's just the way I like to say it

so that it is confusing. And, but he, I'm also allergic to him, so it makes me a little itchy. Right. He's back here. Oh yeah? Yeah. Hey.

Shibby? He's shy. He's shy. It's okay. So tiny. Yeah. Anyway, he's back here. Is it high school?

I get a little itchy. Right, grade 12. Say what? Is he in grade 12? 12th grade, there we go. Another Canadian- Canadianism. Ism, yeah.

Zed, A to Zed. I say Z. Do you? Good for you, good for you. Thank you. I know, ever since fucking Trudeau. I know. How do you feel about Trudeau?

Nine years, nine years in. Yeah. What do you feel about Trudeau? Nine years, nine years in. Yeah. What do you think? I think we need something now. Yeah. Yeah. I can see it. Yeah.

I didn't vote for him. What do you think that as, what do you think that new thing is? Someone more progressive. I'm an NDP. Okay. someone more progressive. I'm an NDP. Okay. For all the, yeah. Yeah, all right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But can I ask where you live in the city or is that secret? You absolutely can. Where do you live in the city? That's none of your fucking business. Okay. I said you can ask.

Yep. I live in Clinton Hill, right? Literally the, I'm at the apex of Clinton Hill, Prospect Heights, Crown Heights, Bed-Stuy. Great. I'm right, like really close to everything. I'm technically Clinton Hill, but right on the border of all those. And you love it. I do.

I do. I don't like my street. My street sucks. But the neighborhood is great. I'm so, I just get really thankful more than I thought I would. I lived in Manhattan for 10 years and it was great for who I was and what I was doing and the life I was living. But I moved to Brooklyn at 10, what, no, shit.

Gosh, 12 years ago, something like that. And no, 13 years ago, fuck. And I can't see going back to living in Manhattan. Obviously I'm here, you know, it's easy. I just hop on the subway. I'm here in 15 minutes, but it's, I wouldn't, I can't imagine leaving Brooklyn. I really like Brooklyn and I like the space and I'm very conveniently located. I'm right between Prospect Park and Fort Green Park, and my kid's school is down the street, and there's a million playgrounds,

a million with splash pads, and there's dog parks, everything's there. There's really good food. I'm not far from Vanderbilt, which has the open streets thing, which I love. And it's just so convenient. And I just, my street sucks. It's very dirty and loud. I happen to be on a main.

Main road. Yeah. Yeah. I just spent my first 4th of July in Prospect Park. I mean, I played volleyball with my friends for like four hours. Yeah. Was just spent my first fourth of July in Prospect Park. I played volleyball with my friends for like four hours. Yeah, was it nice? It was awesome. Oh, good.

It was so nice to like, I haven't felt like that like childlike joy in so long. That's great. And I was like, wow, this is, you know, moving his heart, leaving your family, friends heart. And then, yeah, I was like, wow, this is, you know, moving his heart, leaving your family, friends heart. And then, yeah, I was like, okay, this is just like, just like getting so out of your head by just like playing a sport. It was so much fun.

Yeah. Have you ridden your bike around Prospect Park? I'm assuming you have a bike. Have you ridden a bike? Do you have a bike? No. You should get one. I should.

I'm scared of, I have to like insurance and stuff like that. I gotta get on it. I gotta get on it. So then, cause that's what I'm scared of. Cause I come from places of free healthcare. I sure. And I broke my wrist.

When? In my adulthood, 26. Here in the States? No, in Canada. Thankfully. But it gave me that thing where I was like, oh, I can like hurt myself as an adult. And it's like, it really sucks because I have to like take off

work. I'm in this. Oh, the health care system here is a joke. And it's. That's why I'm like. It's a perfect example of our capitalistic society. And it's pretty gross. And especially if you travel, anybody who travels around.

And I've gotten medical service in both Canada and England and Norway. I'm trying to think anywhere else. Whoa. And Sweden. And I mean the difference is night and day. Whoa. I mean it's- Where was the best?

Well, as far as the other ones were one-off things, but in London, I was there working on a, oh, in Vancouver. Oh yeah, that was part of Canada, but there was also another place in Toronto too. But I was there working and I have terrible teeth, terrible, absolutely, genetically, my British DNA, just awful. Like cavities or? Oh yeah, beyond, like just.

I have pretty bad teeth. I mean. I just got three gum grafts. Oh, I've had, I had a whole thing here, 22 stitches. I had a bonded, they had a like, flay open, whatever that word is, like where he cuts down and they create a flap and then bonded. And then they had to sew it after it was bonded.

My front teeth, I have to get my bottom. I won't even show them. Bummer. I have the same thing. I've never had braces. It used to be my biggest insecurity. And now I'm like, I I'm rocking just not straight teeth. Oh, look at this. Yeah. I mean, it's terrible.

It's characters. I'm terrible. It's unique. It's character. You know? Sure. I would trade it all in a heartbeat. No, they're just terrible. I don't have, gosh, I don't know, like seven or eight teeth that I was born with. And this one has to go. But I've had implants that, you know, I've had to have extractions,

you know, and then implants and then have those implants taken out because it was still right. Yeah, it's bad. Anyway, so I was in London and I was I had long story short, I was in the middle of working and I had to have I get my teeth checked. And while I was there, I was a friend of somebody a producer's sister was a dental assistant or something, sent me to this place, made a little space, created space and time that day, went in, and while she's checking,

because I had these minor aches, which I just sort of live with, and then while I'm in the chair, it's getting worse and worse and worse and worse. And then a pain that I can only describe is like taking a cold spoon and kind of smacking the top of your brain with it. Like it was all inside, like deep in my head.

And it also gave me, I understood how people would go insane and do things. So when you read about medieval times or in the 19th century, people taking pliers or something and pulling their, and just crazy stuff. Right. Without the idea that you could go to a dentist and get some relief, I can see how it would be maddening and you'd want the pain to stop and why people did that. And it got like really bad where I can't deal with this. And then, so the dentist was not there.

So they went, it was in this, what's it called, Bloomsburg, Bloomsbury, whatever. The area has a lot of dentists and doctors in it. It's a pretty nice area, a little section of London. And there just happened to be a lot of dentists. So she left, because the other guy was there, she was just seeing me as a favor. And I'm in like intense pain, like really, really, it's really, really bad. And she goes down the street to a dentist who was in the middle of a routine thing.

He came out of his office, came down the street, went upstairs, went to where we were, taken some x-rays, and he said, you need to have an emergency root canal right now, right now. I was like, okay. And he, you know, notified the lady, like I'll have to get back to you. He, and he performs this operation on me right then and there.

And, uh, you know, it took whatever, however long it took, and then he sort of stitched me up and I got some meds and a prescription and he gave me enough to get me through, you know, 10 days or whatever. And all this happened, you know, kind of instantly and without, there's no recourse if there's nobody there,

I'm like, I don't know what to do. And then I, after several hours, I went downstairs, he went back to his office and I got the bill and I want to say everything, medicine included, was 63 pounds. No. Yep. Yes.

Did you have insurance? Cause you were on a job. I, yeah, it was just, I didn't need insurance. It was NHS. It was nothing. It was, yeah. So it was 63 pounds. I did got everything except for, I got a temporary, uh, you know, the, the, the

screw and the temporary crown, I think, uh, whatever it's called, the temporary thing that goes through your mouth. But you know, eventually you got to get a proper crown. And so I was in London for several more months and the pain was gone instantly. OK. It was just gone and didn't have any more issues. And I went, I had to go back to LA and my wife, who I think was my then girlfriend, said, oh, you should see my lady in Santa Monica. She's great. She's been my lady since I was a,

you know, since I was a kid. And she's great. And I was like, okay, I went and got a, And I was like, okay, I went and got a, you know, the mold. And then she, then it came in and she put the little glue, whatever, put the crown on. And that cost over $5,000. And I was in and out of that office. I had two brief little things. One, take the mold and then to get it like settled, you know, put in, five, over $5,000.

No, no, the, the graft was, yeah, 4,000 Canadian. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, I paid for these guys. This was a whole different thing. This is when I was living in Brooklyn Heights. And the guy was good, but it was several, oh man, I mean, at least four visits, if not longer, for the whole procedure, because I had my whole left side up and down done. Because I had receding gum lines and it was eating into everything. And yeah, I mean, it was, I don't know, it was over 10, well over $10,000.

Damn, I'm so sorry. So it was usually in Canada, you've also seen a dentist or was it someone with other medical procedure? Yeah. Uh, it was, uh, Lyme disease related. Wow. Yeah. Oh my God.

In Vancouver. Oh shit. And then Toronto, uh, took our daughter occasionally. Lyme disease related. Wow. Yeah. Oh my God. In Vancouver. Oh shit. And then Toronto took our daughter occasionally. There were a couple things. She would have been four, just had just, you know, four, between four and four and a half. We were there during the COVID lockdown, the great Doug Ford.

Great the great Doug Ford. Was this, I just checked your IMDB before coming here. Were you, we film, we've been on the same show. What We Do in the Shadows. Oh yeah. Was that the- Did we shoot together? We didn't.

I shot the first season, I did like five episodes. And then the second season, I did first and second season. But like, small role, but they invited me back and it was like my first. That was a fun set, I enjoyed that. Yeah. Really like they role, but they invited me back and it was like my first. That was a fun set. I enjoyed that. Yeah. Yeah, that was a really fun set. Really like they just, who,

do you know who your director was? Kyle Nutech maybe? Oh gosh, you know what? He was a guy that was, I wanna say he was like a first AD for a while and then became, was that him? Who? No, Kyle does, Kyle was from Workaholics. He was like the fourth. Maybe, was that him? Who? No, Kyle does, Kyle was from Workaholics.

He was like the fourth. Was he a tall guy? Yeah, tall, like longer hair. Ah, shit. I don't know. Yeah, I see. He's a nice guy. I mean, I had a good,

I had a really fun time working on that show. It was very, and he was, you know, they were like, I could improv and stuff like that. Oh yeah, they just let you go. It was like my first real or I did Degrassi. Like I was, I did one episode. Of course you did. Of course, Murdoch Mysteries, all the Canadian shows.

So you have to do a podcast and you have to do Degrassi. Minimum to make it in the Canadian showbiz. CBC shows as well. Do you know what CBC is? Yes. Yeah, our only channel, our only, our government-funded channel. I've spent, you know, cumulatively, I would say,

I mean, I've shot in Vancouver numerous times for like four months on end. And I have, I lived in Toronto for half a year and have toured Canada multiple times and kind of been going to Montreal for quite a bit. When I was living in Boston, we'd go up there a bunch. JFL, all that stuff? I did JFL later once I moved to Los Angeles,

but had spent lots of time in the shows. They're all good, but Toronto shows are just, I mean, really good. I recorded an album there. Oh, where? Which? I want to say Danforth. Yeah, Danforth. Danforth Theater, or the Queens Theater, is that Which theater? I want to say Danforth. Yeah, Danforth.

Danforth Theater or the Queen's Theater, is that another one? They're both theaters, yeah. Yeah. So one of them is where I recorded one of the things that I did. Damn. Yeah. What we do in the shows was like the first,

my first time like seeing a celebrity, like I'm a comedy nerd, so like Jermaine Comet and Matt Barry and like all these people comedy nerd, so like Jermaine Clement, Matt Berry, and like all these people, and I was like 23, and it gave me, it was just like enough gas, I think, to kind of continue, you know what I mean, as a young person, you're like, oh right, okay. What made you get into standup?

I don't really, I- You don't do standup, is that a terrible thing to ask? No, no, no, I mean, I do, I guess like I'm an alt comedian is what people were, I don't know. So tell me what does that mean? A story you know, but you know what I mean like. What does that mean to you? It means, yeah, I'm not doing traditional standup.

I'm like, I grew up doing improv and sketch. And then now I'm kind of, you know, trying to do these different mediums and like the internet's the great equalizer. So I started this, like, I do, I don't know, this like narrative series on, on TikTok and Instagram that like, people don't really know that it's all, people know that it's connected.

It's called like, it's the lore. And yeah, and then I do live shows and that's kind of like, I went to school for musical theater, so I sing a lot. And then I like- So yeah, tell me, so the show you did in Atlanta, tell me what that consisted of. So basically I kind of am doing,

I do characters and stuff as well. I have like, I do like Bo Burnham, the musical. How is, what is that? Oh, it's just, uh, how he's, um, how he's just like a little bit different. And, uh, it's pretty great. Yeah. It's pretty fun. Now I want to see that.

It's my favorite. And like, so, uh, you know, we do a little bit or I'll do like a, I just started doing this bit where it's called crazy rockin sushi and It's this commercial in the middle of the of the show and it's just this person who really wanted to open up a sushi restaurant In the mornings just for breakfast and then they end up like divorcing their their partner because they just didn't understand that You know, and it's just like a crazy thing and then so basically so basically, yeah, we come out, I guess- So conceptual stuff. Yeah, I guess we do, you know, 20 off the top

and kind of like, but I really just rip. When you say we, is that you and your characters or like Jeff Dunham and Peanut kind of thing? Yeah, me and Kyle. Kyle is my co-host and like, I kind of do not everything with him, but like, we definitely work together a lot. And so, I'm kind of the crazy one. He's kind of the straight man. That's kind of our dynamic. And then there is, there's like, I don't want to ruin it, but there's a narrative arc to the whole show that people aren't really aware of

at the top. Oh good, good. And then it kind of, in my musical theater, theater fashion is kind of this, I just always, I don't know if you've ever got this advice of like, when I started doing comedy, I did like second city classes or whatever. And I was always told the audience is a baby,

and you kind of have to explain, when you're writing a sketch or whatever it is, what something is and that they're dumb, essentially. And then it kind of changed for me in the last two years where I was like, no, what would I wanna see? You know what I mean? The audience is just as smart as I am and what excites me and...

Yeah, I don't know about that baby thing. That sounds ridiculous. That was just one teacher and I was like, what? And I was like, young, you know, I was like. Not correct, it's insulting. Yeah. You can never, the audience is different every single time. And you should never prejudge an audience ever, ever, ever.

I agree. And sometimes you think an audience is gonna be great and they suck. Sometimes you think they're gonna suck and they're great. And you can never know. going to be great and they suck. Sometimes you think they're going to suck and they're great and you can never know. And to go into something with attitude that they're baby and that means, I mean, they're delighted at shiny things and little tickles, but you have to be very careful because they're still forming, you know, and you can't, like what to you is like a tickle,

a sensible tickle could really injure a baby. And you can't give them anything small and round to play with because they might try to swallow it and choke on it. There's a lot of potential, there's, and you look at the idea of this life and you see so much hope and optimism in it. But you also know, because you're older,

you're older, much older than the audience, more experienced, and have lived a life that the audience hasn't lived, that even when they're, there are, you can be jaded, and we don't need another fucking audience in this world. I don't care how cute you are.

And then in the middle of interacting with this audience, they just, they're looking at you and they just puke. They just vomit. And then, yeah. And then. Like without even, without going, who, who, you know, they just vomit. Yeah, and who is to clean it up? We do.

Yeah, they just spit up. Yeah. People will call it spit up, but that's whoo. You know, they just vomit. And who has to clean it up? We do. Yeah, they just spit up. People will call it spit up, but that's being diplomatic. Right? They're vomiting. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes projectile and fuck that audience. Fuck, and then I'm at the end and I'm mopping that shit up and I'm putting them to bed.

You know what I mean? And that's what being a comedian is in 2024. Ugh. Alt, alt-comic. Alt, alt, alt, like I'm just kinda like weird shit. It's alternative to what I do, which is stand up. But. And here's the irony.

Yeah, but. Is some people. I think the art. Will attribute me to the beginning of the alt-comedy movement. I would, I would. So then it's like, it's an alternative to me, which was an alternative to stand-up, which is-

Yeah, did you, were you always a stand-up? Or like, cause I know you have like, well you had your sketch show, which I was gonna ask how, I don't know much, but how it came to be. Or was it, had you done stuff before? I came, I literally was released from the lab and then went straight to the set at HBO.

I started doing standup right before my 18th birthday in Atlanta and did stuff there for about a year and change. And then went to Boston and really kind of cut my teeth there and kind of came into my own, took a while, but you know,, found my voice, et cetera, et cetera. And then moved to LA to work on a TV show writing and then met a bunch of people there.

One of them was Bob Odenkirk, who will be going to Winnipeg shortly. And... who will be going to Winnipeg shortly. What show is that that you met writing on? The Ben Stoller Show. Okay. Yeah. Whoa. Actually, we really connected at Just For Laughs.

I had to go up there. Brett Butler was hosting, do you remember Brett Butler? She was a comic, she was like a saucy Southern lady and she had a sitcom. This is back in the day when you would get a sitcom based on your act, you act, which was very prevalent and a reason why a lot of people went into standup. Unfortunately, it was just like,

I'll do standup so I can get on a sitcom, with my name on it. And so she was on a very popular sitcom called Grace Under Fire. And then she was on a very popular sitcom called Grace Under Fire. Then she was hosting the gala. I think we shared an agent or agency and I got this offer for like five grand to go write jokes for her. That was a good chunk of money, I'll take it.

And a free trip to Montreal, which I love, I love Montreal. And, um... And then Bob went with me, and it was kind of the start of a really, you know, what is now a very close friendship, but, um... And we came up with a bunch of bits before we had Mr. Show. We were doing kind of stuff in this group of people in LA that,

you know, alternative, quote, air quote, comics. And we were all doing these little shows with each other, for each other, with no idea about, you know, let's get this on DVD, just having fun. idea about, you know, let's get this on DB, just having fun. And, but Fart and Gary came from, that sketch came from the, that year at Just For Laughs, the biggest attraction was a guy named, I want to say Lepidomaine, and he was a fartist from Paris, I believe. Okay.

So he was in the French speaking part of the festival and we were there at the overlap, where French went into English. Also, Brett Butler was starting to go, or started kind of what was starting to go, she was having issues, mental issues. And I was there for that. So it was a, that part of things was a debacle. And I think, I want to say this, I don't know,

I was let go or she didn't do the show. Something happened, it was a long time ago, I don't remember. But it did not. I got paid, but it was like one of those weird things where like, what the fuck is happening? And she was just starting to go a little, uh, off. And I think she ended up, you know, I believe she got help and it's okay. But, um, it was sort of the beginning, the end of her thing, but I want to speak out of school because I don't know exactly, but it was sort of the beginning, the end of her thing. But I want to speak out of school because I don't know exactly, but it was just weird.

So I like found myself there and I didn't really have that job anymore. I don't think anybody was hired that job anymore. And, but I was still there. And so Bob and I were going to see shows. But anyway, this guy who was one of the biggest hits and we watched audiences at a supposed comedy festival just dying about this guy who farted the French national anthem and

farted happy birthday and blew out a candle on a cake and people loved it. And it was really depressing. And then we did, we came up with Les Balloons Sportif, which was also based on something we saw at Just For Laughs. And there was another thing we did and we just ended up, but Fartingarry was born, before there was Mr. Show, was born out of Just For Laughs, watching the Fartist. Damn, that's awesome.

Yeah, I mean, was he a clown? He was like, you know, I don't know. He, I would say so. You don't even mean like clowning. I don't mean to degrade what clowns do because they have a skill set I don't have and they have to be physically fit. And this guy just farted.

He took an air. It wasn't even like gassy farting. It was just like- Wait, would he talk in between? Oh, gosh. I don't remember. I remember there was music. I don't remember. Yeah. And for my next trick. Maybe a little bit, but there was like kind of a- Do do do do do. Yeah, there was a little a little mimish arch kind of

body movement thing. I just had a huge bomb the other night. A huge bomb? Like a bomb. Like I bombed at a show. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I would imagine when, with what you do, when you bomb, you bomb pretty hard. Yeah. Yeah. Because I like, I don't like, basically when it goes that way, first off, it was, what reminded me of this was, it was a magic show. And they're so like, you know, magicians are kind of, you know, they're telling jokes or their standups in their own right. And performance is so impressive. Like I was like, yeah, I'll do this magic show. Like my mind was blown in just like I was like front row like sitting. So I was like, okay, I'll watch my show. And then slowly I realized, I was like, oh my God,

this is so not my audience. They are not expecting some like awkward girl to come on and like throw on different wigs and like, it's all part of it, you know what I mean? Like I like the, my favorite comedy is people really trying and like falling apart. I think that's like just so interesting and sad and hilarious and that's what I do.

So yeah, I like went up there, started doing the bow thing and quickly realized no one knew. No one knew. That's knew. No one knew. That's a very insider baseball thing. But then I do it, my Brooklyn audiences and like, oh, Union Hall? You know, I did it the night after. Oh, killed.

Well. And then it just was, and then I did at the end this Charlie XCX bit that I had yet to practice and like was truly- And they're not gonna know. Oh, I was fumbling, but then I just was like, okay, take your time and really like sit in. And I was getting more laughs in the like,

awkwardness me falling apart kind of thing. And it became like a new set. But anyways, I just like, I was like, wow, hire like this weird comedian in between really impressive magic. Like truly, like our minds were being blown and then I went up and I was like, anyways, but it felt, do you bomb ever? Not so much anymore, but I certainly did hundreds

with a S plural, hundreds of times. And when I bombed, I bombed really hard. I mean, people just were not... They knew right away they weren't... Because you know in the first 20 seconds. Yeah. And then you're kind of like... Unless you've got a specific setup where you're going to mislead them or something. But yeah, when, yeah, it's not like I bomb anymore, but I certainly have offsets, that's for sure.

And that's probably never not going to happen. You know, just where it's a combination of different things. It's usually one of three things. It's either my fault or just the audience or the venue combination of things. Yeah. You never know.

I'm pretty good at owning up like, that was me. I didn't do what I should be doing and I should have corrected and for whatever reason, I couldn't get it going and that was me. Sometimes it's the audience and you just know quickly, this is not going to be fun. And then if you do know that, then you're just having fun. fun and I've always, I pride myself in being professional and delivering the set that people paid to see and I'm not altering it and not giving up and I always imagine whatever shitty show I'm at, if it's a shit show, there's a kid that I can't see up in the balcony, 17 years old, this is his or her first comedy show,

they liked me, they saved up their money, and I always imagine I'm performing to that kid, whether they're there or not, in my head they're there. Wow. Because I was that kid at one point, you know? Yeah. But yeah, like, I mean, you just have those unfortunate off nights, you know?

And again, sometimes it's me, sometimes it's the audience, sometimes it's a combination. The moon, yeah. Tarot. He tends to read. I mean, I read my, I get a reading. Before every show? Before the show and in the middle of the show,

I'll take, let's take a break, I'm gonna get my cards read. Right. And then I run off into the wings and have the cards read, and then I come back 10 more minutes, have my cards read again. And I go, are you sure? Are you sure let's do it again? And then come back and then before I close, let me just one more, just to be absolutely sure

I'm gonna have my cards read. And then I come back and then if there's an encore for the encore, I have my cards read. Great. Again, in the wings, but. Well, that's what you have to do. I mean, have to? The pros.

Right. The pros. Oh, are you, not pros, P-R-O-S-E, pros. The pros and cons. The pros and cons, or. Oh, I see. Yeah, for the, yeah, for the, if you want to have a pro night, yeah, rather than a con

night. Right. Like pro set, rather than a con set. Right. Veronica, I thank you for coming onto this podcast and let people know where they can access you. Sure. Thank you for having me also. Hi everybody.

My name is Veronica Zloykowska. You can find me at- Veronica what? Zloykowska. Okay. Veronica with a K underscore is cool. And you can find me on Instagram, you can find me live, you can find me on TV and you can find me sometimes in Canada, sometimes in Greenpoint. And-

That's enough. That's enough. And I hope everyone's feeling really good today. No, we don't need any of that. I can't. And I hope everyone's feeling really good today. No, we don't need any of that. And I can't. Just work. And also podcast too.

And so listen to that one. Okay. Now, Veronica, I end every podcast with a question from my daughter to the podcastee. And this is a question, and she knows they're for the podcast. Okay. And she'll often say, hey, I have a question for your podcast. Okay, cool. So for Veronica, this is your question.

Why do they say that dogs' mouths are cleaner than people's mouths when they eat so much dirty stuff off the ground, like dead berries, bugs and poop and stuff like that. I do think that that's just a total myth that we, that we just decided to believe. I can't think of another one. I was trying to think of another one. You know what I mean?

Of like something that- Like it's an old wives tale. Yeah. And then we're just like, well, that's true. And it's like just so not, I'm trying to think of... Well, do they, you know what? I don't like to editorialize or bring come in. So you go ahead and just answer it and I'll...

So the question is, why do people say that? Yeah, just one more. Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm gonna look it up again. Thanks. Thank you. The question is, why do people say that? Yeah, just one more. Oh, my goodness Christ. I gotta look it up again. Thanks, thank you. I mean, honest to God. Fucking orc eyes.

Why do they say, so they, why do they say that dogs' mouths are cleaner than people's mouths when they eat so much dirty stuff off the ground like dead berries, bugs and poop and stuff like that? Why do they say? I think because maybe dogs give you kisses and so, and that's a way of, I think is maybe dogs give you kisses. And so, and that's a way of, I think people have just been like,

no, it's totally fine to kind of not get grossed out because. And to make out with your dog. It's not, it's like take the stigma off of. That shit. Making out, petting too, with your dog. Full on like Frenching French kiss open mouth And it's not like that. It's just like it's it's also kissing. It's just a sign of affection. That's right. It's love not Anything that needs to be taken out of context. It's just

You have a dog and you love that dog Okay, well, there's the answer. Yes, all right, Veronica, thank you so much for coming down. Thanks for having me. It was a pleasure. A pleasure. All right. Sense is Working Overtime is a Headgum podcast created and hosted by me, David Cross. The show is edited by Katie Skelton and engineered by Nicole Lyons with supervising producer

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