Serialously with Annie Elise - 407: Mackenzie & Her Dad’s Creepy Texts, Plus Her Weird Jail Calls with Mom | Mackenzie Shirilla

Episode Date: June 5, 2026

The final episode in the Mackenzie Saga. Nearly four years after the crash that killed her boyfriend and his friend, Mackenzie Shirilla continues to insist that she is innocent. And in hours of jail phone calls with her mother, she makes it clear that her stance hasn't changed. As Mackenzie discusses her conviction, life behind bars, and her hopes for an appeal, many listeners have been struck by what they see as a startling lack of accountability. At the same time, a series of text messages between Mackenzie and her father have sparked intense debate online. Dive into the calls, the texts, and the family dynamics that are raising new questions about Mackenzie’s life post conviction..If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow the show for weekly deep dives into the darkest true crime cases! To watch the video version of this episode, head over to youtube.com/@annieelise. .🔎Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & Perks..🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to both of my weekly true crime series 10 to Life & Serialously with Annie Elise wherever you get your podcasts on the Annie Elise Channel!🍎 Apple Podcasts | Where you can also unlock access to 100+ and growing extra exclusive deep dives.💚 Spotify🔴 YouTube🎙️ All Other Platforms.📸 Follow Annie on Socials Instagram: @_annieeliseTikTok: @_annieeliseSubstack: @annieeliseFacebook: @10toLife.👗 Shop Annie’s Must-Haves! ShopMY: bit.ly/AnnieElise_ShopMy Amazon: bit.ly/AnnieElise_Amazon.🫵🏻 Get Involved or Recommend a CaseAbout Annie: www.annieelise.comFor Business Inquiries: [e-mail].📚 Episode Sources Strongsville Police Department••••••••••••••••••🚨Disclaimers1️⃣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me. 2️⃣ Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and various news channel segments. When quoting statements made by others, they are strictly alleged until confirmed otherwise. Please remember my videos are my independent opinion and to always do your own research. 3️⃣ The views and opinions expressed in this video are personal and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer, or company. Assumptions made in the analysis are not reflective of the position of any entity other than the creator(s). These views are subject to change, revision, and rethinking at any time and are not to be held in perpetuity. We make no representations as to the accuracy, completeness, correctness, suitability, or validity of any information on this video and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. It is the reader’s responsibility to verify their own facts.

Hey, true crime besties, welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialessly. And welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialously. With me, Annie Elyse, your true crime bestie, your Mackenzie, Shurrilla deep diver, just, you know, go into the depths of hell on the internet and in the foia and come in here to clock in for duty with you. Now, let me just start this episode by saying this, okay? This will be my last McKencher. Kenzie Shirilla episode. And you know what? Let me actually put like a little asterisk next to that.

I think, I think. I don't want to talk about this girl anymore. I don't want to give her any more airtime. I don't think, truthfully, that there's much more I can share with you that will bring value to anything. But so this will be like the last hurrah in that regard unless there is some huge new revelation or there's something you guys are requesting that I cover regarding the case. But I feel like now, today, we will be done with it. Now that being said, too, for all of my audio-only listeners, very similarly to the Wednesday episode, this is a bonus episode, and it contains a lot of phone calls. Originally, I was not going to put either one of these bonus episodes on the podcast feed. I was going to only have them on YouTube because on YouTube you can do closed captions,

so you can hear it a little bit better and read what the transcript is. It's not, It's an episode that doesn't have as much commentary for me. So whatever, I wasn't going to put them on there. But I did a poll over on Instagram asking, hey, for my audio only listeners, do you want me to cross post it? And the majority of you, like 85% said yes. So once again, releasing this bonus episode not only on YouTube, but also on the podcast feed.

And if for any reason you do have difficulty hearing these calls and following along, it is posted on YouTube with closed captions. So you'll be able to read the transcript. Now, the other day, and just in case you missed it, let me remind you. On Wednesday, I did release a bonus episode, and we have been in the trenches of McKenzie's case for literally years now. I know I mentioned that we had a huge stack of, you know, 600-page documents back in 2023.

We also have FOIA information. We've received terabytes and terabytes of digital evidence, of phone calls, of jail calls of so many things. And we've been kind of digging through all of that since this new renewed interest in her case since the crash came out on Netflix. And so with that, I went through the jail calls. And on Wednesday, I pulled out six calls that I wanted to highlight between McKenzie and her friends. These are the jail calls in which they're talking about boys. They're talking about sex. They're joking around. She does not seem remorseful at all. she drops the R word literally dozens of times and like she's making fun of people and those calls to

me the reason I chose those six I felt like I could have put the whole you know gamut of phone calls on but I was like okay this is what's going to really like illustrate things the most these are the most important calls in my opinion so same goes for today today's episode is not going to focus on McKenzie and her loser-ass friends but McKenzie and her loser-ass parents okay because I have gone through hours and hours and hours of phone calls between McKenzie and her mom, Natalie, which I think we all can agree that her parents just enable her to, like, the ends of the earth. And I've pulled out about 15, I think 16 to be exact, but roughly about 15 that I think you really need to hear. Because in these calls, there she's instructing McKenzie on what

she can and can't say. They're talking about the appeal. She's talking about how, she's so obsessed with the Facebook group and Facebook pages and comments living in the comment section. This is Natalie, her mom that cares about this, which isn't really a far stretch because we know that when McKenzie was hospitalized immediately following the accident, that, and I say accident, it wasn't an accident, but the crash, I should say, that when McKenzie was immediately hospitalized, her mom was running her social media, trying to get her signed up comodeling agencies, trying to, asking the police, what do you think the social media perception is going to be about all this? So that is still very much the tone of their conversations.

She's running McKenzie's accounts. They're talking about changing her profile picture, her bio, living in the comment section, just like this very surfacy, superficial bullshit when that doesn't even matter. Your daughter is in prison for taking two lives. Like, read the motherfucking room, right? and in addition to all of that, they start talking about, they start dragging Dom and Davion's family in these calls. They start talking about how she's the victim. Mackenzie's a bitch through and through in the majority of the calls, all while her mom is like soaking it up and thinks it's like

cute and funny. It's beyond. So I'm going to share some of those calls with you. Curious to know your thoughts. And if you're feeling exactly the same way I am and what you pick up on, because there are some very interesting conversations. And then after those calls, I'm going to jump back on here with you. And I want to talk about all of the rumors that are going down right now about McKenzie and her father. If you don't live on TikTok or even on Instagram Reels, you may not know at all what I'm talking about. So I'll give you a little sneak preview right now. But as everything has been a full data dump of information over the last several weeks, a lot of the text messages people are starting to show, which we've seen. I've seen. I've known about them for a long time. But they're starting to show

the text messages of McKenzie asking her dad for warm milk in the middle of the night. Her dad saying things like, you know, your mom loves me. Like it's a get out. Not this, I'm paraphrasing, but like, you missed your get out of jail free card last night or things like that. And like, but kept asking for a warm milk, which people, of course, believe was code for, I mean, I guess I'm just going to say semen, okay, implying that she and her father, Steve, had a sexual relationship in secret from her mom. They even further, I don't want to say, like, bolster this claim, but I guess that's how I could describe it. But because in previous Starbucks orders, McKenzie always ordered her drink as dairy-free. So they're like, why would she be

asking for more milk, what 18-year-old or 17-year-old is asking their dad for warm milk in the middle of the night. So you can imagine things have been running rampant on the internet with people speculating what this really means. And look, the last 60 days, I think I've covered three or four incest cases. So it is out there. It is a thing, unfortunately. But I'm going to talk more about those text messages after I played these jail calls for you. I'm going to talk to you about what I believe it means what I think the dynamic really is. Also, what I think Steve and Dom's potential relationship was like, the two of them. And we'll kind of get into all of that. So this will serve as the episode of McKenzie's parents. And maybe we call it like the unraveling of McKenzie's parents,

because we've already been talking about how her dad's spiraling, he lost his job. They still don't seem to understand how to read a room of like what their daughter has done and how severe it really is. But this episode will serve as like, let's talk about the calls with mom, how mom only cares about fame and perception and attention and living in the comment section and capitalizing on her daughter's presence, even though it's like not a good thing to capitalize on. And then we're going to talk about those text messages with dad. So let's start by getting into the phone calls. Hello. This is a prepaid collect call from an incarcerated individual at Cuyahoga County Correction Center. This call is not private.

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What were you saying? I don't know. And I would just like smell shit. Like I just like smell something. Maybe it's probably Friday. No one is by me. What? No one inside me.

No. Oh, wow, that doesn't matter. Sometimes they smell a wasp. Yeah, I don't know what to say to Maddie. What she said? Just say what? Oh, thank you. Or, thank you.

I said, Maddie, I miss you so much. Thank you for sharing the real. Love you so much. Mm-hmm. Yeah. She said her thing isn't working. She said she misses you and loves you and she will see tomorrow. What?

Kendra said her thing is not working and she said she misses you and loves you and she will see you tomorrow and Dippy. Oh my. That's funny. Oh my God, and the Bubba is posting that huge... Do you want me to read it to you? I'm going to read it too. The Pubba's posting on every single YouTube. Can you hear me?

Yes. Okay, it's long so let me know when you're ready, okay? you're ready all right I'm ready hold on I got to get through this ad hold on who Jason said it all so let's just get this out there for y'all goofy asses can realize let's first start with this quote-unquote evidence all their so-called twos is all based on interpretation number one they say she wanted to die but that's after the fact of the accident and she was in the hospital saying quote she never meant for this happen and that now all she wants to do is be dead. I'm sorry. If I or anyone

else was put in this situation where they lost their six-year boyfriend and doesn't fully remember what happened. But no, they want to lose that and interpret it in the worst way. I'm sorry anyone in that situation would say the same thing. You got some dude who goes by hedge who literally like no one knows who just see this is a siffy and has a criminal background and they say is a family friend to the ruse does and living in the basement. Oh, that's a lie. Hold on, Paul. That's a lie.

I wrote that shit down. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's where Ms. Rousseau's room is in the basement. That is a lie. Well, maybe that's where he just started, he just started living there in the last year, Kesey. Oh, I don't know, but I don't know. I don't know.

Maybe she's sleeping in Dom's room or some shit, but I don't know. That's what I mean. That's new, yeah. So, and let's all just mention that Kenzie and Don's mom, this part I don't hold out. This part, I don't know about. This is a mom. never had a good relationship and bought it as dinner and that in the time?

No, we get it. Wait, I can't understand you. So, can you get off speaker or something? Because, like, I don't know what the fuck you're saying. I can't, because then I can't read. Okay, well, send it to my phone and then, like, read it or something. Like, I can't understand you at all. Okay.

Let me see. Okay. I'll just screenshot this and then I'll see it. It's very long. Wait a minute. Hold on. I'm still screenshoting this phone. It's really a lot.

Okay, so now I'm going to test the phone. Get off speaker. Let's start with that. Okay, let me start over. Okay, so first let's start with this quote-unquote evidence. All their so-called proof is all based on interpretation number one. They say she wanted to die, but that was after the fact of the accident. She was in the hospital saying, quote, she never meant for this to happen, and now all she wants to do is be dead.

quote. I'm sorry, but if I or anyone else who put in that situation where they lost their six-year best friend and doesn't fully remember what happened, but no, they want to use that and interpret it in the worst way. And I'm sorry, anyone in that situation would say the same thing. And then you've got some dude who goes by hench who literally like, no one knows who the suit is, that's 50 and got a criminal background, and they say he's a family friend of the Rousseau and lives in their basement. Also, let's just mention that Kenzie and Dom's never had a good relationship and fought at dinners and stuff. Kenzie, I know he didn't.

At what? I don't know. Kenzie's, wait, Kenzie and Don't read it. Dom's mom never had a good relationship, fought at dinners and gotten conflicts, et cetera. And please, parents go home and ask your kids who they got their goodies from. Please, they're painting a fake picture and they know what they're doing. She can't claim the truth, dude that he was renting from her and was able to have a whole house with a jaguar and a Cadillard. Cadillac and a recording studio in his house and never worked a job.

Come on. That wouldn't look weird, would it? You can't sit here and try to find every little bad thing about this girl and just cover up the rest about the other. They drove down that road hundreds of times with me and others in the car. This was not an unusual route. It's all a damn lie and it's crazy because it's almost like as the years continue... Uh, hold on.

It's almost like as the years continue, everyone becomes blind and retarded. That detective knows the lives he put up on the stand. Those families will realize what they're doing and realize when they do meet their kids again, they will also be as disgusted as I am. This girl had no job, literally didn't benefit shit from Dom. But yet he cooked, Colleen took care of her. For Christ's sake, her birthday was just four days.

And he had reservations for a really expensive battalion restaurant and he had gifts. Why would she do it before that if she was trying to benefit from this? They tried to sit here into a week prior. She threatened... She threatened to go off the road where there are texts between Kendi and multiple people claiming a whole different story. And tell me, please tell me how that man got out of the car. If she was driving, no matter what was said by both of them in that car, she would not give her six-year boyfriend out on the highway.

They are feeding everyone lives and all these little ratchet-ass MS like this Morgan girl who's been in love with town for years and has called issues in their relationship out here acting like she knows shit. But people, she's crazy for him, all in cats. Then we got this little bald-headed psycho, Jaina, or Jop, is a girl who's 18th and she's been addicted to coke. Lina, hold on. Addicton to Coke and multiple drugs for a couple of years. Come on, people, you're really going to believe that piece of little trash

who's just as crazy in the head. Who's just crazy in the head? have publicly posted it. We've got a dude who was in love with one of the victims out here making up more lies and trying to be his own detective. Oh, he's talking about, is that use me? Wait, so go back, go back. Okay.

We got a dude who was in love with one of the victims out here making up more lies and trying to be his own detective. Oh, my goodness. When I found out these men passed, it seemed as before we even knew, speeds and other information. We had people out here claiming it was on purpose. We had people claiming they were high on LCD Turks and mushrooms. Now let me just throw this out here. So Kenzie was found of the car. Oh, I can't read this part because far makes me cry. Okay, just read it. Kenzie was found in the car with her head down by her ankles. Right now I've asked almost damn

near 100 people and no one can explain it. And that is if you have your seat vaults and steering wheel at a normal distance, there's no way you can be found lodged there without either being that position for the crash or the steering wheel column was ripped out of the car. And if you look at pictures, that's not the case for a fact. Go on a car right now and get seated right and try getting down there. It's one thing to be hunched in her lab urge on the steering wheel itself after the airbags deflate. But no, that's also not the case. And if you're keeping up Kensis and mom testified about a diagnosis that's called POT,

And what that is, it's where if we're standing up quickly. Not enough blood flown to the brain, usually between 8 to 10 minutes, and it will pass out even seizing up. It can also happen when you're just sitting. Now check this out. It took them 8 to 10 minutes from where they left to where they crashed according to the way through 50. Also, she's been told by doctors that she feels something coming on, she should lay flat on her back. Or if in the car, put her head between her knees. Another thing to keep in mind is if you Google and look up until your camera engine malfunctions on Google,

One of the main ones is from 2005 to 2022, where incidents were on the car after making a turn at a speed up to 80, 900 miles per hour. It ranges from people putting the car in park after playing sudden RPM boost and actually getting out of their car and their engines blowing up to people crashing through houses. There are over 700 reports, but yet not her lawyer or if that anyone else wants to take that into accountability. Jim did say that, didn't he? I don't know either. computer sit here and make up lie after lie.

These families are lying and it's disgusting. I have no remorse or anything for these families. And actually, after speaking to someone close with one of the victims, I won't name names, but it's crazy how they didn't even want their own son big in their house. And they didn't even come back the second day they found out their kid had passed. And as a parent, we all know anyone, and everyone would be back that same day. I am done with these grown-ass people wanting to act like this is high school or some Batman justice movie when this is real life.

and the girl tried killing her shelling herself in that life and a girl tried killing herself in that hospital to her best friend, a boyfriend, not anymore.

This girl has never experienced life without him and she would never do this and she would never not do this with another person in the car. Then they act like Davian was just some object in the car and that he was just magically there

when no one no, no, no, he was there for a reason because he trusted them, he trusted him, and he trusted him enough to accept him into their home. And yeah, remember that their home.

So that video of her locked out of the house, it's her house too. She lived there for almost the following year. This is just sickening. They're also saying it was definitely her fault due to her contacting Dom's parents apologizing and trying to keep the connection that was somewhat there after six years. But no, they want to take her pain and feel that she will never see her boyfriend again

and doesn't know why. And they're trying to do that, again, or interpreting it to be bad. Please, people, open your fucking eyes, like truthfully, This is coming from someone that has never been in this girl's friend or had a cure for this girl. This is coming from someone who is that food and is back to take through all the lives and is just doing what's morally right in my heart. This whole community is going to health, and I'm certain of it, I feel it. Also, let's not hide this.

There were five perfectly healthy, fine people that saw all three of their state of minds that spent hours with them before they passed, saw them 10 minutes before they lost their lives. Are they testifying? They must have not happened Paul. Neither the prosecution or the defense. One doesn't speak. One, do to they know the truth. These kids will speak.

And if one doesn't show it could potentially restart the whole trial, people these are messages are not to help Kenzie in any sort of way. Like I said, it doesn't matter to me what happens. The public just needs to know the evilness, the hiding family, and the law. The people need to see these people in public that continue to cause attention and people to look at them differently, and these people should not be allowed to live a carefree life after all the lies and the kind of lies.

That's on every single YouTube video. So wait, who was that? We don't know who that was? No, I have no idea. I have no idea who the fuck that is. Me either. And selfie responded. He was like, that is 100% spot on.

They put it everywhere? Everywhere on every Facebook post. You have one minute left. Oh, my God. I love that. It's so long. amazing? Who the hell is that? Everything they fucking said was all that's my dad was like, did I write this?

Yes, I love that. It's perfect. Me too. And it's a faith profile. I don't know if that's their real man and there's no picture or anything, but that shit is facts right there. I can call you back. Yeah. Okay, I'll call you back. Yeah, call me, call me. Call me. And then blah is the one that's posting it everywhere from Facebook onto YouTube. Are you for real?

Yeah. Are there like people, other people replying to it? Are there likes on it and shit? I don't think so. There's not a whole lot of action on anything, Kent. Thank you for using it. I'm calling you back. Goodbye.

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What? I was talking to daddy. We were just talking about some stuff. So what does Medcart do? Give medicine? Oh. For that long? What do you mean?

Hang on, hang on, Kenny. Okay. Is everybody on a lot of meds? There are a lot of people? How many people are on your floor? Like, there's like over 10. I don't know. I don't know exactly how it is.

Oh, that's not bad. Oh, well, that is, okay, 10 and 20 are different. I said more than 10, probably like 15, 20. Okay. Are you going to be able to jump in the shower? I hope. Okay. I love you.

Love you, too. Oh, you know, maybe I'll go up in my office now. that I'm standing. And I'll go right down what you're going to say. Or if you should just message me. Did you get coffee? The coffee pen. Okay.

What did you say? And that's the thing. It's Jim. I don't even know what you're supposed to wear Monday. What if you have to wear the orange? I don't have orange. It's not orange. I wear blue.

Oh. Who wears orange? The boys. I thought the girls wore orange, though. Me too. That's weird. No, I wear blue. I showed you my outfit on the phone.

Yeah, I know. That's my word. every day. Oh, and they wear orange every day? Yeah, the boys wear, like, you know the color of my shoes? Yeah. That's the color of their outfits, the boys. I'm going to put you on speaker so that I can write.

Okay? What are you writing? Oh, what I wrote. Yeah. Do you need this, that? All right, you ready? Yes, but read kind of slow. Okay, to the families of Don and Davian.

Do you have that? Uh-huh. I've said it a million times, but I am so deeply sorry. Uh-huh. I hope one day. But... You can see... Uh-huh.

I would never let this happen. Okay. Or do it on purpose. Uh-huh. I am just heartbroken. Uh-huh. I wish I could take all your pain away. Uh-huh.

Long live the boys. Okay. And then... To my family and support. I thank you, I thank you all. Thank you for seeing the real. Go ahead. Under all these lies,

thank you for non-stop fighting. For me and all the love. And support. I love you all. So much. and then I pray one day people won't see me as this monster they are making me out to be

who's they? The prosecution in court, the judge okay that they're making me out to be thank you, that's what I wrote you should say something like I pray people don't see me as this monster if you got a chance

well then you decide I'm just going to say what I said Yep, it's perfect, envy. Okay. Tell people to send me messages. I will, but it's Saturdays. You know what I mean? It's the weekend.

They may be out or doing things. You know me, but I will. I'll try and tell them to set up video calls, too. What do you like better? Both. Video calls and message. I need both. Okay.

So, I don't know why I went to my desk to write that down. I just did it in my notes on my phone. Allison has these new beans in their shop. They look so. weird. They're like snake, they're called like snake bean, snake tongue beans or something. What is? I don't know. Every time she posts pictures, I'm like, oh my God, McKenzie would definitely try that weird-ass-looking thing, whatever it is.

Oh, Allison, Sam keeps talking to me about the squash. He's like, you need to try the squash. The squash is good as book. You've got to tell them, I was cracking up, because Allison posted these melons that she has, and somebody in the comments was like, do you guys have peaches yet? People are giving a hard time about the peaches. That's all they care about are the peaches. Yeah, because their peaches are good as fuck. The best peaches I ever had in my life. Right.

She was like, look at these melons. They're like, no, where's your peaches? Cool melon, but where are the peaches? Like, he's annoying his hook. But I'm telling you, they have these beans. They look long, flat, and fuzzy. I don't know what they are. I like how they get all the cool shit.

Yeah, me too. I want to work there. Yes, I'm sure. That would be so funny. Then you go to the farm? Oh, my God. You would be so loving. all that whole process.

Yeah. Maybe one day. Yep. Keep your face to the light. And that'll just be good to work for like a small business. Like I don't want to work for no like big business. I can just have like multiple jobs. But then like I don't want to have no free time.

Like I don't like that. Well, when you do what you love, that is like your free time. You don't mind doing it. You love to do it, you know? Yeah, I'll get first pick on everything. But it's not like work because not only will you love it, but it's your, it's like family, you know what it means? So you're like excited to go.

I'm about to get in a shower in a second. Good. And wash my hair. Mm-hmm. Because I really make my forehead break out real bad. Yeah. Is that, that lotion stick I gave you, is it also, can you put it on your face? I put it on my face.

Good, okay. Yeah, I don't know. What's Dad doing? I don't know, but Auntie just showed me something. somebody is going off on Facebook again, and I swear to God, they know everything. They're posting everything everywhere, and it's like spot on.

Who is it? I don't know who this is. It's a new person? It's that same one, but they know everything about everything somehow, and I don't know who it is. Yeah, Daddy was like, did I write this? Again?

Yeah. Yep. What are I saying this time? Like, new update. I just found out, Dad, dude lives in her basement and she's been his lawyer for years and there's a criminal living in the house and I mean just everything. What the fuck?

Everything. I don't know how they know this stuff. So I told them Auntie Tiffany to see if she can contact them to see who that is. Who is that? What the fuck? I need to know who that is. That's what I'm saying. The only thing is it, you know, you can be anybody.

They did use one word that points to them being. a younger person. But obviously they're younger. But who cares? I mean, of course they would know everything if they're younger, right? Like, this is definitely.

Well, they used it one time. I'm like, okay, so this is a younger person. I want you to ask that one person if you do it. Yeah, we're trying to find out. They're like, they're stretching and twisting everything and none of this is true. they did not all live with the family.

He rented a house next door, and they're making it sound like they did. I mean, Kenzie. It's everything. Oh, my gosh. Mm-hmm. I love whoever that freaking is. Keep talking, buddy. I love who that is.

Yeah, we need more people talking like that. There is a lot of it, but whoever that is is, like, knows intimate details somehow. I love that. This is fine. Me too. Yeah. Keep talking, for sure. and I'm going to respond to the media outlets, I think, today.

Yes, please. I'm scared, though. I am going to. No, don't be scared or have Dad do it. If you're scared, like... No, no, no, I'm not scared. Okay. I just need to really formulate my words carefully.

That's all. I'm not scared, Cassie. When I say I'm scared, I'm not scared to do it. I need to be careful to make sure that I'm doing it right. That's all because, you know, one word could make her, twist things. You know what I'm saying? So I just need to get legal counsel to make sure what I'm going to say is okay. Yes, please.

Yeah. You know me, I don't fart without making sure it's okay. How is that for the prosecution listening? I don't know. Hold on, Mom. I'm about to get in the shower. Okay. I love you, love you, love you. I'm going to call you back. Okay, bye, baby, love you. This is a prepaid collect call from an incarcerated individual at Cuyahoga County Corrections Center. This call is not private. It will be recorded

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Hello. Hey, those two, Nina and Bubba, to shout off the rooftops for you. I know. Actually, he's coming over. They're coming over. Here, our house, just talk to me about things.

I know. I didn't say Nina and Bubba. I said Rosie. Nina and Bubba. Sorry, not Nina. Not Nina. That's who I'm talking about. I feel like Bubba's more like,

like, ride in for me because he's, like, than Rosie. Like, it's weird as fun. Beza Dizek, Dizza, he's her. I think that was her. I'm going to ask her that when she comes over. Ask her what?

Um, Eze, Diza, Wiza, he's her. He's, Cidot, EZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Oh. Okay. Okay, that's who I think.

Me too. Right. So just, I know your anxiety and you've got fear and stuff like that, but... I don't have fear. I just, like, I don't try to be a part of the loop if you're just like... Really? That's what I mean. Like, the rat or something.

Like, that's the weirdest fuck. No, that's what I mean. Just pause on that. I know it's hard to not feel that way. Like, I'm very weird to the fuck out. Like, I don't... Hold on. She's in a bad mood.

I'm sorry, in a bad mood. I'm not in a bad mood. I'm not in a bad mood. Okay, okay, okay. I love you. I love you, Dan. Like, what's the fuck? Like, what does it have to do with you talking to me?

That's weird. I love, I love you. I love you. I got in trouble last night or this morning. Why? I got in trouble. By who? Mommy got mad at me.

For what? So that must mean, that must mean in like two weeks we're going to get in a car accident and I'm going to be charged with murder and homonious assault and stuff, you know, because, you know, because, you know, in Strongsville, if you speed, if you speed it's you know it's something bad anyway like fuck anyways I love you very much I'm angry for you baby I'm just like you know I'm angry every waking seconds that I'm thinking is about you

that's all I'm thinking about I just want to let you I love you so much and I cannot believe you are being put through the distance I hope they I hope karma comes back and place everybody that's against you in the ass so hard that they all disappear that's all I said and if I had a magic wand If I had a magic wand, I wouldn't go back and help the A-N first.

I'd make everybody else together. I click my fingers, and everybody would disappear. That's what I would do. That's how angry I am. They screwed you so bad. Okay, I got to go. Bye. I love you, I love you, I love you, I'm on your side, 100% and I know, I know you can't see this on purpose.

I love you, Dad. So that's what I mean. You got army people fighting out here, baby, okay? Just can talk on this whole movie. Yeah, so I'm on my period here, and then, like, I just, like, feel gross as fuck. But I need to tell you, though, that Rosie and Bubba and your friends, I started a whole big Kenzie group chat. I know, thank you all. Yep, we are all that way, how Danny's feeling.

Okay? And they are part of that. Yeah, but, I don't know. Like, it's weird as fuck because last time I was, like, on the phone and free phone calls, like, when I was in Jews, like, the juvenile facility. Like, Sammy was in the car with Rose. and they were like both talking to me being like, oh, like, yeah, nah, nah. Wait, hold on a second. Hold on.

They were what? Who was? It was Sammy and Rosie in the car, and there were just, like, weird-ass shit going on. Like, I don't know, like. Okay, well, listen, here's what we'll do. Ask her. Okay. You need to ask her, too, and tell her that, like, Kenzie's feeling weird as fuck.

You can tell her that yourself, too. I will. I will. I'll tell her, too. Ask her if she says she doesn't hang out with anyone. occurring where you have no choice but to believe her. Okay. Okay.

And if I see her, right. I'm going to have people watching her. And as soon as she hangs out with her, she's getting fucking blocked on everything. And she's, you need to take her out of the group chat. So we'll deal with that part then. But you have, we'll just blast her. Okay.

No stress. You have a whole huge people out here fighting for you every day. Oh, and you know what? You know how if that man can just get my, like, message in here? without like knowing anyone or like well he must that's what I mean he must do this I'm saying though

I'm saying though what if somebody else gets my message it's like that'd be like I know you did on purpose you and then do you know what I do I'm gonna reply and be like only if they give me a stamp I'm not replying without actually

yeah I'm not replying about a stamp but I'm gonna be like I was like hey thank you for the message because you will get back to you very shortly her messages are overflowing thank you so much I'm going to pretend it's like a voicemail. That's a good idea. Her messages of support are overflowing.

Yeah, that's a good idea. That's funny. Oh, yes, I'm going to do that. Her message... Oh, and do you think I should write out what I'm going to say to, like, the court? Yeah. Yeah, if you want to.

I don't know, like, exactly how... Like, does it need to be long? Like, I don't know what to say. I already know a little bit what I need to say. Like... It doesn't need to be long at all. Just talk from... Just talk from your heart.

Okay. Don't say anything about, you know, the whole proceedings or the verdict or whatever. Just talk to them. And I'm not going to say thank you to the judge or anything. I was going to say thank you to the judge, but I'm not going to say anything to the judge. No. You can tell her that, you know, you feel that, no, don't even say anything.

I was going to say you can say that you feel she made a mistake, but you can't. Don't even say that. I'm just going to say that. Can I say it to you? What I'm going to say or do you want me to wait? I think you can say it to me. Okay. I'm going to be like.

I don't know if I should be like I'm going to be like, well first I'm going to start with the families of Davian and Dom I just wanted to deeply apologize and say I'll forever be sorry and I hope that one day you guys can see that I never meant to do this on purpose it was just a car accident and I want to tell you

I'm sorry forever if I could take your grief away I would take it away in a heartbeat I am so sorry and then I don't know what else I would say yeah just like that It doesn't even have to be long, punkin. I don't even know what I'm going to say. And then I'm going to be like, I'm going to say something to you.

I'll be like, too, my family, like, something. And supporters. Thank you for seeing the real in this. Yeah. And fighting for me every day. You love him. You would not. Like, it's just so crazy, Ken.

It's crazy. Yeah, just like something like that. She even say, the judge. You know, if you knew me, if you knew who I was. You don't even have to say. I don't even say that, whatever. I don't even know, Kesey. They'll figure out who I am very soon.

I mean, you would think they would know who I am by, like, watching me in jail for fucking, like, nine fucking months, but I guess that's not enough for them. But, if I mean, if I can make a decision in, like, 19 seconds, like, they say, then I don't understand how, like, they can't figure out who I am. But in all this time, that just doesn't make any sense. I'm sorry. What's been going on, like, people, like, I don't know, like, has people just been, like, posting about me still, or is that died? down again. No, it's plain down.

Well, on my side anyway, I don't know because I don't have Snapchat or anything like that. But don't forget,

good news travel fast. Bad news traveled faster and people latch on to toxic and anger and

rage. It's more than people trying to support somebody in a situation. So it's no sometimes

there's no sense in arguing with people on the internet because they're loud and evil. I'm so weird

to know still though like just by Sammy, like, that shit just weirded me the fuck out. Like, how are you going to, like, try to be cool with me and, like, talk to me on the phone, ask me if I'm okay and shit? Who's Sammy? Yes. And she was just in the car smoking weed with Rosie, so, like, what's up?

She couldn't see the follower, huh? She probably just wanted, like, to fucking, like, seen and, like, get, like, a free blunt or something. But, like, what I mean? What if they got a car accident? Would one of them be charged with murder? Like, I'm confused. Right. Right.

I know. Sammy's a follower. She's just doing it because that's the dudes That's all Rosie is strong Sammy's nuts And I'm not

I don't want to go in the courtroom If he's in the courtroom I don't feel safe with him anywhere near me I feel like he's going to attack me I don't know if there's anything you can do about that Well I'm going to refuse to go into the courtroom then Honey you can't Don't even look over there

I don't but I like Like, I knew I felt some weird shit last time. Like, I knew I could tell, like, some weird shit. And then he's, like, hugging Miss Rousseau. Like, she's probably the one that told him to, like, come harass me at the grave and, like, follow me that day. Like, that's weird as fuck. Like. Yep.

Honey, this isn't over. Okay. Like, I hope. And, like, what's the point of, like, going through my phone all that time and finding, literally, like, all the instances? Kazi, you stop talking right now. Okay. I'm saying, though, but, like... I know.

Don't talk like it. Nothing was even shown. Nothing was even shown. Like, why? Please stop. We need a different lawyer. Like, I don't give a fuck. Like, that was the, I'm so weird out by him, too.

Like, I just don't. Just, just show, just, wait. I know. Hold on, Diamond. Diamond. What time do we get our comm tomorrow? Like, later in the afternoon? Yes, I'm about to, yes.

All right. It's coming, like, kind of like on the earlier side, like eight to, like, one. Oh, there you go. Good. I just want to get moving to round two. That's where I'm at. Yeah, let's eat good tomorrow.

Gee! Ooh! Oh. Yeah. Oh, no. Rosie just needs to talk to me, though, because, like, she needs to tell me what's up. Like, or I'm going to block her. I'll ask her to call you.

Is it working on that one? Yeah. I just try to do again. Yeah, you try it. I'm like, it's saying, like, it can't be completed, and it takes long as much to load, right? Yeah. Yeah, messages are not loading right now. I keep trying to check my messages.

Yes, it's the same shit. And then a message will pop up and be like, it's not working. I'm about to tell the staff or something. Did you write a grievance on that one terminal? I wrote a grievance on that terminal, yes, because what the fuck is that about? Good. Good. This one girl was like, can we, like, can we switch? Like, you're the other video call at 7? I was like, I'm not switching my video call? What?

It's not like that. It's not like that. I thought, yes, I was hoping you don't know what I'm saying, because I do, I'm like, I'd be saying, I'm, yes. No, I'm just, I'm just, I'm, I'm, yeah. What, do you spiritual and shit, like crystal and shit? You're spiritual? Yeah. Okay, yeah, me too.

Yeah, I watch the show. It's not like my big fat gypsy wedding. Not like that. Oh, I love that movie. When you're it? I'm dead as fuck. No, it's not like that. Like, it's just more like, like, like the carnivals and shit, like stuff like, I don't know how to explain it. Like, how do you explain the gypsy? Like the theatrical dancing type, like, like, theater and shit like that. Like, they'd be like very like, and I'm like very like, musical, spiritual, like, like, nature and shit. Like, right. What?

You be doing that shit, too? What's she saying? You have one minute left. Sure? Okay, do we have one minute left. Hold up. I'm going to call you back. Yeah, see, I heard her last night. I was like, shut up.

Like, I was going to yell at her, but I don't want her to fuck me up. Yes. All right, Mom, I'm calling you back after this call. That's fine. Then I've got to work at 8. We'll be yelling. What do you say? One more call, and then I have to work.

All right, I'm going to call you one more time. What the fuck? All right. All right. I'm calling you back right now. Bye. Okay. Bye.

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Really? Yep. Oh, that's good. Because I remember, I memorized my number by heart. There you go, good for you. I mean, there's so much of a key in the butt, but I still did it anyway. Did you look up on the county website, like the county inmates? No.

I want you to see my mugshot. Go ahead. Yeah. I don't know why, I just like, I don't know, I don't know what the fuck's going to happen. I want to tell you something really bad, but I can't tell you on the phone. I don't know when you're going to be able to. Oh my God, she keeps peeking. Like, I see you room 10, like, for real.

All right, I'm not going to say, you know, no, I'm not going to even say that. No, don't. I don't know how we're ever going to do it. Is Jim going to come see me before, um? Probably not, but maybe you can tell him, and he can tell me on my mother. Yeah. Okay.

All this has been going on online. Okay. So did you tell my friend you changed my Instagram name? No, but I'm sure they... No. Well, I don't think anyone really knows that that's what, like... That's me. I don't tell them.

Yeah, you should just make a group chat for like 10p announcements. I did. Oh, really? Yeah, that's how I sent the app for the video thing. Who's all in it? You're right or dies I'm trying to get Paul's number I sent him a message on Instagram

From my account No I just found him I feel so bad for him I do too Yeah when he testified he was like I wanted it to be at my house for once Because I never do anything at my house And then I did it while I was in a bad mood And then they convinced me to like come do it at my house anyways

And then all that folks should just have happened, like, and they said something that just, like, got me thinking. Like, they was, like, Kenzie, I thought I would sleep on the couch with Dom all night, but Dom wasn't. When Paul got up to see where everyone was, Dom wasn't on the couch with me at 4 a.m. So where was Dom at 4 a.m? I just think about that all the time. Where was it?

I don't know. And that just, like, weird to me out. Like, that just, like, makes, like, so many more, like, possibilities of what could have happened. Well, he called Blair, like, a three-thirds to six in the morning or something. He was calling his friend. Remember? trying to say like thanks for kicking it with me I love you that kind of thing which was also super weird

if he never ditch it like that I know because he always told me he doesn't even like Blair what the heck you remember you seen a text message where he's like I don't even fuck with Blair yeah like he would drop him in a second yeah that's a real good friend down I miss him still I don't care I know you do baby I know me too my little nug yeah Yeah, so bad for everybody. Yeah, me too. I do not know how you survived that crash, Duncan. I'm so bad.

Like, I don't even remember being coherent, like how they were saying I was, like, answering questions. Like, I don't remember that. Like, I don't remember any pain from the accident. I don't remember, like... How did you even end up in that's... Like, how did you even get... I don't understand.

I can't even go there. I was, like, folded down. Yeah. But it doesn't make sense to me either. Like, I feel like, I don't know. You know, I can't go there. I wish I could get hypnotized in here to remember. You too.

I would remember so bad. I almost feel like it was like, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to say, but I have like my thing. I think I know, like I think I know what happened, but I don't know for sure. But it could be wrong. A million things. A million things.

Like, I feel like it was another incident of like Dom doing what he used to do all the time in the car. That's what everybody kind of feels. But I don't know if that's even true. Because, like, why would he do that with Davion in the car? Because he used to do stuff like that with other people in the car. Remember, he didn't get a shit. He did a kid in the car. Yeah.

He was, like, screaming at me because I dropped the blind in the car. And he didn't want it to burn his car. But I, like, was trying to get it. And then he was, like, speeding really fast trying to scare us. Mm-hmm. Dude, Kendra could, Kendra could, should have said something about, like, we should have Kendra, like, Man.

Just wait, that's what I mean. If we have to appeal, we'll just, we have, we'll be something. Just wait. Let's hope that the judge makes the right decision that she can see. Right? That's all. And you know, I'll think about how, like, everyone that was in juvenile, like what they told me about the county, like, it's all wrong. Like, they all told me wrong stuff about the county.

Like, I was expecting something completely different. Well, you're on the protection floor, don't forget. Well, I need to be off of, I need to get the photo office for it. this floor. I know, but is it better than what they said or worse? Worse. What do you mean? I mean, like, yeah, but they said those people were going to put broomsticks in my butt and stuff like that.

What the hell? And like, they was going to like, try to, like, bitch me right away and shit. Like, none of that is going on. You, it might be on the other floors. But I need to get the fuck moved off this pot. Why, so you can deal with that? You want a broomstick up your butt? Honestly, at this point, I'd almost rather deal with shit like that and deal with, like,

that and then deal with like different people. I don't like people that are slow. I don't like them. I don't want to hear weird laughing at night. I don't want to hear someone being ma'am, ma'am, every single night. It's annoying as fuck. She almost got me starting to be like, ma'am, ma'am,

in my room. Like, I was just doing it because I was bored. Like, man, like these bitches rubbing off on me, these slow-ass hose. Like, I don't want to be on the pot of us. Oh, no. I don't know. I'm not even gonna sleep for now.

And I'm almost done with this book. It's getting good as fuck, and I want to keep reading it so bad. but like I have to wait. I have to wait till I'm, like, I can't read it. Your books are coming on the 19th. Oh, the 19th? Mm-hmm.

That's so long still. It's still so long, right, but at least it's not the 21st. Oh, do you choose what, like, thing you, like, what screen I do the video calls on? No. So it just, like, picks one? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, it said, like, not on this terminal.

And I was like, okay. Yeah, I don't know. What else was with lunch? Meat and potatoes and what else? And green beans, but I did not eat them. And these little Oreo cookies that are like not Oreos, but they're like white on like the tan Oreos and then the dark Oreos on top. And they're good as fuck.

I love those. Ooh, that's like a vanilla cookie and a chocolate cookie with a cream. Yes, it was so good. It was like my favorite thing. I should have been bed eating those from lunch. Like some cookies good as fuck. Yeah. But I'm hungry right now.

So I might just like go in my room. Yeah. Did you save your juice or did you drink it? No, she's, kith, Miza, Miza, Wiza, Ida, Wiza. I, Riza, and Riza, Thizan, she's a Keeze, Me, Isan, Issa, Niza, Jeeze. Aw, that is nice. Oh, that is nice. Oh my God.

Oh my God, she's so nice. Liza Kither Isup. She's, I'm not, Nizu, Tizu, Z, Wiza, I don't know what her name was. Liza, Liza, Liza, whizah, Jez, I, Zor, B, B, Zez, Yza, Kza, Kza, Kza, B-July B-D-B-D either she's them she's in July 4th? Mm-hmm. July 4th. I don't even, I can't look that up, that's not a thing.

Just look it up, it'll probably come up. July 4, baby killed? Mm-hmm. Cleezy, blezant, she's up, Beasel. Okay. There's a, what, what that? Excuse me, remember the four-letter, I'm gonna buy something. What?

What? I'm not, I'm at P-C-2. Why are you? Is it? Is it something a name? sent some of my email. Um, I, I, but I'm a quick question for a

a group of, okay, but it's something I made or something that you made? No, Dave's talking about the Oculest. Oh. Do you try that one? Um, by the way, I was looking,

see what he says, hi baby, did you hear him? Hey, Dad. She said, hey. Um, I found a thread where Dom was asking you if we wanted to get in a couple of Precies. And you're like, those white,

those white circle things with the sprinkled, and he said, Descati, that doesn't sound familiar? Oh, no. I don't know what you want. That thing is a mystery. I can get Uno Karts. You can? Can you get them?

I don't want Uno Karch. Oh. Your list is totally different, that mine. I got a holiday kit. What the fuck is a food kit? And you can buy, like, what the fuck? Artificial Tears, ointment. You can buy, like, medicine, laxatives, hemorrhoid ointment.

Wow. Tylenol, muscle rub. Tenth and hemorrhoed might not be a bad idea for your, that's really good for, like, bags under your eyes and stuff like that, believe it or not. You can buy commissary on this bitch, too. The whole shebang chips. Ooh, I like those. You can buy Hersheets.

Oh, I'm buying Jolly Ranchers. I'm getting some of them. Oh, I didn't see Jolly Rations on mine. Yeah, because this is like all different. And they got lemonade, creamer, grape collade, hot cocoa, oh. Oh my god, I didn't have my chocolate on mine. That's awesome. On sugar potter, those are shitty.

Yeah, I don't like those. Yeah, you like those. And they got sweetest fish, too, and now and ladders. Oh, I like those. The now and ladders were always sold out. Those are like a hot commodity. In here? That's what it says.

Dude, they told me they wasn't no hot Cheetos. There you know. And for food? What the fuck? What? They got crazy-ass shit. They got some. ranch, dress and sausages.

And they got like ball cell and protein conditioner. Like they got good conditioner and shit. Like dangerous shampoo, contact lens solution, skincare lotion, proline moisturizer, swab conditioner, swap shampoo, Vaseline lip therapy. I don't have any of that stuff on my.

It's super basic. Yeah, that's cool. Mm-hmm. It just takes so long to get you. You got to order like a week in advance? Is that how goes? What is Bergamount? B-E-R-G-A-Mont.

Berg-a-Mond? Yeah, what is that? Where is it in? I don't know, it's just like a little like container. I don't know what the fuck that is. Oh, okay. Oh, the M-E-I-G-A-M-O-O-M-E. I want to get some of that too, or proline moisturizer.

Oh, that's hair and scalp conditioner. What is it? It is. Is it type of a specific fruit? What? Well, hold on a second. I'm trying to see what it is. It's like aromatherapy.

It's applied to the skin, the chemicals, and the ergamont oil can make the skin sensitive sunlight. It's used for high levels of cholesterol. What, should I use? That sounds good. I want to get that. It's used for anxiety, mental alert, joint means, many other conditions.

I'm getting that. But I'm not buying it yet. It says there's no good scientific evidence to support that other uses. Whatever is. Yeah, I cannot wait to call you. I just want to call you so bad. I'm probably going to sleep when I go back in my room again. Right. But like I sleep so much here. Oh, it's pouring outside. That's what I mean, the wedding. There's like not enough staff on Saturdays.

Come to work like every day. I see you all the time. You're just like the trooper for here. Is that the nice one? You have one minute left. All right, mom. I just love you so much. I'm gonna call you not now, but I'm gonna call you not now, but I'm gonna call you you. That's fine. What about my... Okay. All right.

But I love you, Mom. I love you, too. But yeah, I'll talk to you at 10 o'clock. I can't wait. Me either. If you want to call me again, you don't try, and then we'll just try to merge a call. All right.

I love you so, so, so much. I love you, too, my beautiful baby. That's cool as long as it's something. Yeah. All right, Mom. But yeah, I'm going to talk to you again at 7 o'clock during our video call. Hold on. It's about to hang up.

But I love you so, so, so, so much, Mom. Tell everyone else that I love them. Well, no. I will. I will. I will love you too. And yeah, I'll let you know what to. Make it a great day.

I will try to you. I'm about to go to sleep when I am. Go back in my room in 15 minutes. I want to talk. I love you, Mom. Bye. Bye. Hello.

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must have had this app or something a while back or have known somebody in the system for at some point because the fact that she was able to message you that fast

means that she must have already had an account that wasn't pending or nothing. Unless it's just, I don't know. I don't know, but that was super fast. Did you talk to her like after late yesterday? She sent me a message.

Okay, she's saying that his mother is not a good person. Like, nope. It's crazy she could just tell that through like... Yeah, through the stuff that she saw, read and... Yeah. But you're so that really skinny too. Yeah, I'm sure. Feel bad.

Mm-hmm. She'd like weird to me out seeing her that skinny. I'm like, what's the... If it doesn't look long. Stress and trauma. I mean, it happened to, yeah. Yep. I can tell you're hurting like I can feel it like I don't know

Marissa she's like really spiritual too like I'm so glad you can talk to them and you can call her and Nicole said you can call her anytime as soon as she can set up this video thing she's gonna give you her number you can call her whenever I love her so much she'd always talk to me about we always talk about our boyfriend and shit I know. I know. I can't wait for her to get in contact with you. I was going through your phone and can you think of anybody else that I didn't think of?

What do you want to, Phil? What about Phil? Because he keeps sending me that he loves me, send him to love, he loves you. Yeah. Oh, yes. Okay. Literally anyone. I was about you if you just like post it online type shit. I don't give a phone like. Well, I wanted to ask you first. I don't want people like, you know, wolf and sheets clothing coming in to message you and then giving you messages that are not nice. Oh, I don't care about if I can invest in that night.

I can block people. Okay. Okay. Well, you're going to have a bunch more people coming in, hopefully, today. Yeah. I wish I had my fucking iPad, but... I know. That's okay.

This is good. This is okay for now. It's not, because I'm going to get to come out for like an hour and 30 minutes, or like, 45 minutes. At least it's something, though, is what I mean. It's looking for now, better than what it was. What do you mean? It's better than what it was.

No, it's not. Because you didn't have access to anything before. I don't care. I liked it better there before. No, I mean, before the, this, before the messaging. You know what I mean? Before that all your friends were messaging you. Yeah, but I still don't care.

I would rather be, like, no, I know. Yeah, I know. I know. I get all from this. I already my iPad. Like, I shouldn't be. What's the thing happens after Monday? Maybe calling.

She's leaving her messages about, like, getting me off the touch. I don't want to be protected. I really don't want to be protected. I want to be protection. I know. I'm not livin at you. I'm laughing at her. Is that mommy?

No, it's it. She followed her all over the place. Then she's the woman in time. You're here? Yeah. She's so cute. I miss her. She's getting better.

She's not so, um, like vicious. You know what I mean? She'll still, like, when you're petting her and you'll go to leave, she'll slide it at you because she doesn't want you to stop. But she's calming down a little bit, a little bit. How are we miss the cat so much. Yeah, I know you do. I know you do.

I'm going to send you pictures, but I don't want you to be... Oh, I can't send you pictures. I only send you a e-cats. I was going to send you, like, a little video. I can do, like, a 30-minute video, I think. You can send me a video? I think. I don't know, I gotta look through it.

Because I think I can. I gotta look through and see what my options are. I can't text, I can't snap and save, so I'm kind of going through and seeing what I can and can do. Oh. Yeah, I'm so tired. I want to go to sleep. Wait, uh, uh, so far away.

Yeah, does she ever sleep that lady? When does she sleep? She's not. She's sleep right now, so it must take her like 48 hours to go to sleep, and she better stay asleep the whole fucking day. I'm just talking her the fuck out today if she keeps me. out today if she keeps being annoying. Yeah, that's crazy.

She's so irritating. Like, I don't like her at all. How old is she? I don't know. Like, grown as fuck. Like, like, dirty probably or some shit. Like, if you're grown as fuck. Like, she's dating there all day. She's crazy as fuck. Yeah, that's intense. The people like that, lock the fuck out. That's intense, because she's, she's in there all day, and she's still, like, super polite

like that. Like, it doesn't even, she doesn't even know. basically where she is. That's crazy. No, like, it's giving, like, girl, like, you don't want, she doesn't understand, like, her brain don't work, I don't think, like... No. No, that's messed up. So, if I get found, like, guilty of anything tomorrow,

so what's going to happen? Kenzie, I don't know. Like, am I going straight to Marrizo, or, like, do I have a sentencing? Like, I'm confused. I don't know, baby. I don't know. This is something I never in a million years thought we'd be having to deal with or go through and I don't know yeah I would be the one to just get like fucked up and like not like that like get fucked over it's not your

fault not your fault I know but it would be everyone would try to make a scene like that and would try to make me go to be on my whole life just got well wrapped up with a wrong not even wrong wrong family really yeah it's like this they suck bad as fuck I don't like to no they're weird as fuck like yeah yeah and terrible people I know we will see and then we'll just deal with whatever I'm when I when my one of my friends got that like voicemail from like the drug enforcement the DEA yeah and I showed mr. so because I wanted to like protect Angela because because I knew Angela was, like, selling drugs.

Yeah. And then she wanted to, like, she sent it to the police, like, and then it left out the part where I, like, said, like, I'm worried for Angela. That's interesting. Wait, I can't be, I cannot. I'm so sorry. That's just so interesting.

Like, I love how they just, like, to leave out, like, a little bit of information. Sure, of course. Yep. Because it doesn't fit their narrative. It's just terrible, terrible people. I'm sorry. It's just so irritating.

But the response on online. Mm-hmm. But, uh, no. But the response on online, like, people are like, well, it could have been this. It could have been that. It could have been this. It could have been that.

People are all saying that. Yeah, nobody knows. Nobody knows. So people don't think it was my fault? There's a lady. No, the one was like, I don't think it was intentional. No, that's what that's what the general consensus. has become because

duh, it's because it wasn't. No, no, no, no. No, because there's still other people that are like, I don't care, she did this, this and this, and she should get the death penalty. Like, that person doesn't know you, but that's how some people are fired it.

So, nope, you make the right choice. Is it more good or more bad? It's more good. It's better now. Okay. It's better now. You made the right choice. I don't know

I've been like What? I just been like Deal with this shit for so long And it's like draining so bad Like I live like I'm not like okay Yeah But you did make the right choice

The thing I'm talking about Is only a conversation between like five people Okay And it doesn't matter what anybody thinks anyway Because they don't know anything About anything I don't know You don't know you

They seen the evidence that they had No they didn't think Because they only saw what the media reported Remember, we know how the media reports, right? They don't see everything. What was I going to say? There was like a headline where it was like, girl, like, girl charged with like murdering like two males in cars,

some weird ass shit. Like they used red stick, they made the headline weird as fuck like. Exactly. And the church thing is still on there. The church charges. Yeah, it's still on one of the, I think, Channel 19 or something, which is so asinine. And girl, like, ah, I did not break into that church.

I don't give them. I didn't know if you didn't. I didn't. I didn't break into that church. I was in the car. How am I? They don't know if I wanted to leave. Listen, why the fuck would I be in the car if I didn't want to leave? Chizzy, I do.

You recorded it. You were like, I just want to go. Can we leave? I don't want to be here. Don't touch anything. Don't break anything. I just don't want to be here. I have that.

They don't know anything. Nobody knows anything. Yeah, like, the only charge that, like, I think that, like, I shouldn't even be charged with it, though, like, because it was dumb. but like I understand I have to take that fucking bullshit the fucking drugs oh yep that's irritating as much

and he should have known better too and that makes me mad I'm mad at him for that telling you that you can't get in trouble so just to hold everything he always told me that he always had me hold everything I know that's because you were a minor and he was using me for that

I don't even know if it was like a bad thing or I don't think he was doing it to be bad or mean but he was just well he was young and stupid too, you know? I know. Kazi, everybody knows. Okay.

And by the way, that person's talking online, Faith thinks it's a girl who's going off the rails because they called Jaina a bald-headed bitch. I think I know who it is. But I think I know what it is. Do you think it's a girl, too? Yeah. Because Face was like, how many boys do you know

call a girl, a bald-headed bitch? I just feel like I know who it is. I don't know. Narrow it down and think of who it is too. They're posting it everywhere. Because what friends, like, did I hang out with Davion and Dom with? Like, it was, like, it was only, like, I can only think of one person, like, one girl that would be with, like, me, Davian and Dom. Yeah.

Just to ask them if it was them. I will. I'll make a personal phone call. There's no record of that conversation. I'm glad it came out, though, because it was 100% right. Yeah, that's true as fuck. Yes. And, like, yeah, I speed.

Everybody speeds, though. Like, everybody speeds. I don't understand. They're making it seem like they don't see. That's how Davion drove. That's only how Davian drove. So, excuse me. He was a car boy.

I know. So. I know. So don't worry. However this goes tomorrow, you know, one foot in front of the other, and we'll deal with the next step, whatever the next step is. Whatever the next step is, though, Kennedy, you are going to be okay, right? Well, check you out.

You've survived, Juvie. You're surviving county. Right? That's what I mean. Like, in Marysville is apparently, that's what I'm saying. I don't want to go there I don't either And if you have to go back to

Juvie Then you know how that It's whatever But Because you know One minute All of this now You know what I mean

Whatever happens next I'll set me free You got it We'll deal with it as it comes But you are going to be okay And you're making friends Everywhere you go Everywhere you go

Because you're an amazing person Yeah I help people everywhere I go Like I got that one lady Like a job kind of That's right. But, um, yeah, it said one minute left, so I just love you so much, Mom. I love you, too, baby. I love you, too.

I'll call you next time I come out, and they know. No, we got our video call at 9. Well, they know, that's what I'm saying. I'll call you next time I come out. They know, they know I got a video call at 9. Okay. But I love you so, so much, Mom. Baby, I love you.

So, I love you, too. I'll talk to you later. So I have a call at 9.30, 8.30. What? Cool. But I love you so much, man. I love you too. I love you too.

I love you so much. Yep. Thank you for using. I love you too. I'm curious. Goodbye. Love you too. Hello.

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Hey, Mom. Hey, Duncan. Who's Steve and Campo? Why? Oh, my gosh. Hi, how are you? I just came across your story online. I just wanted to reach out and see how you're doing.

I'm Steve. I'm 43 from Long Island to New York. Holy crap. I've been on the long side of the law, drinking and driving twice, so I know how being locked up can get. If you ever want to talk or need a friend, I'm here for you. Hello. Say, hey.

say hey Hey Can you ask somebody What the number For the word in it So messages are working Oh yeah I have all my message

Embuck So tell me who Who message you Hold on I'm messaging Stephen Campobex Okay I'm gonna write his name down

Kendi It's on the Today show What Girl I'm telling you They're about to get ready For the biggest fucking plot twist

Of the century Right What What did they say about me? No, no, no, it's not on the TV. It's just online. And they're just reposting a story. But that's okay.

That's okay. Right? That's all right. Plot twist, bitch. Right? That's okay. Write your book. Start writing your book.

You hear what I'm saying? I need my baby book to write my book, though. I know. Well, maybe I can bring it. I'll start it, though. You start writing your book. So, okay, I'm going to write these names sounds from these randos. That's so nice, though, that they're doing that.

I'm supposed that diamond left, because that's, like, I mean, I would be telling her about this name. Stephen, can't see? A. MPO. Okay. That was nice. Good. I was going to call the warden today and ask her about... Oh, my God.

I got no sleep last night. Tell me why, like, she was just fake throwing up all night. Like, it was so irritating. Like, what? Yeah, it's, like, making herself throw up all night. And I just had to look at to do it all night. Yes. Like, it was disgusting.

Ew. That noise just makes me want to... Yes, I just had to, like, hear it all night. What the hell? Why was she doing? Did she move off the pub? Why is she lock her... What the fuck?

What? Well, one of the girls that we, like, I talk to in here, is on lock up. Uh-oh. Why? What happened? Mm-hmm. But yeah, I have highly video calls today. I have four.

Yay! Oh, I hope they work. I said, hey, it's so nice to view to reach out. I need all the support I get. I'm hoping the truth comes out eventually. Mm-hmm. Just say, you know, yeah. E-V, how do you feel eventually?

E-V-E-N-T-U. You. I've got to type in. No. L-L, no. T-U-A-L-L-L-L-L-A-L-L-L. Oh, my God, I'm so glad your message is in Oregon. I need all the support again.

I'm hoping the truth comes out eventually. And then talk about his thing, too. What happened? Do you want to share your story? Time in jail, so it's scary. Wait, I didn't hear your last sentence. I said, this is my first time in jail, so it's scary, L-O-L. How long were you locked up?

You can even say something like, after this, I feel like half the people in jail are innocent. Remember, just don't talk about the case with anybody, right? Because we don't know. He could be a reporter. We don't know. Oh, I wish he was a reporter. I'll talk to him.

No, you can't talk about the case, though. You just don't know who anybody is. Remember, you cannot talk about the case at all. I know, especially with randoms. Right. Or with anybody, but, yeah, especially random. We don't know who they are. I feel like half the people in jail innocent.

Yeah, 100%. Oh, I got my book. Yay! Oh, that's a quick turnaround time. Because usually when I drop stuff off at Juby, you get like four days, five days later. And I did hashtag free chains. There you go. That's what I'm going to do.

Oh, God, I'm so nervous. And he even sent me, oh, he did. He sent me a stamp, so he knows. Yeah. Aw. I'm dead as fuck. Just remember. They could be reporters, so.

Oh, I got one from them. You, Fade. I'm a message, what's his name now? This is Kevin. I'm from Madd, okay. Hold on. I'm late in the experience. It's very hot. I do love that you can call me all the time, though. Oh, I know. I love that.

Me too. I need to, hold on. Somebody is showering, and it's just like it makes me nervous. Even when a random shower. Why? I don't know. I need a piece of paper.

You was loud last night. Why would you puking. You already telling you to be quiet? Oh my goodness. That's scary. You got a piece of paper? All right, thank you.

I'm about to write down so I can message them back. She's like, wait a minute. Tell me why last night. She's like, she's like, you're going to die and I'm going to die and I'm going to come into your back. I'm like, telling you last night. I'm like, mom. I'm like, oh, my God.

I wish my mom could hear this. Like, I was like, what the fuck is going on? Oh, my God. Oh, and I got a video call at these times. But, oh, oops, hold up. At what time? I have them at one. That would probably, you're going to be here all day or just for this one.

135. Yeah, I'm just there for this one. The rest of these I'm on be here for. All right. All right, after write down, what I want to talk about? Wait, Kevin, what's Kevin's last name? Zimmerman. Zimmer, M-E-R-M-N.

He's from Madison. North East Ohio. Okay. And where is Stephen Campbell from, New York? Yes. Long Island, New York. Oh, my God. I just, I know I have this feeling that something's going to happen.

Like, with all these people reaching out, it, like, makes me feel like, I don't know. Like, you remember that one guy who got arrested for murder? And he became, like, a model because he was just, like, everyone was, like, loving his mugshot. Oh, yeah, that dude was not. I remember that guy. And shit now. Like, I watched a movie with him in. You did?

Yes. It's called the Secret Society. It's good as fuck. Yeah, he was. Yeah, it's fine. See, no, he was arrested for murder. He probably didn't even do anything. That's messed up.

Okay. Hold on. I'm sure. So, yeah, we can talk about anything. Like, what do you like to do? I, what do I heart to do? And then what music, or music, music, music. Oh my gosh, did you hear anything last night?

Yeah. Yeah. It's on 10 o'clock. I think I did. I just didn't get up. That was Faith. Fuck, I knew she was going to come. I should have been ready.

She was playing music. That was her, and they yelled, Kesey! I gave him your YouTube channel. And they were bumping music from your YouTube channel. They were supposed to be there at 8.30, but he didn't get off until super late. I was probably sleep, but, like, I swear I heard something.

That's what I told her. I'm like, she's probably sleeping, honey. Aw. Doesn't that's so, she's so sweet. Sorry. I love Faith. Mm-hmm. I wonder who the other one is with.

How many of these messages are from you, like the video chats? I think I have, I have two night time ones. Maybe. What do you have? What time are they? 7.30, like, you're two, and then one at one at seven. Same again. Hold on after, I'm texting.

I'll do it a second. Okay, okay. I usually, oh, my God, we get calm today. I'm so freaking excited for you. I usually can talk every day, but the system. Okay, I'm so glad I remember to tell you this. Please for sentencing. I want you to bring me my dime girl here.

I want to wear that while I'm being sentenced. Oh. And I want to wear my black juicy track suit. With my dime girl shirt. Okay. I mean, what does it even matter? I mean, she already had her opinion on me the whole time, so I'm wearing my dom shirt. Black juicy.

Oh, okay, that's what you got arrested in actually, right? Yeah. Okay. Because that's in the bag. I'm like, I know where that is. That's all in that bag. Okay. I can't believe I said that freaking sentence.

People are so gross. Like, the judge that's doing Trump's case, she's getting threatened. letters from people that if Trump's not elected in 20 to 24, they're going to come to our house and kill her. Like, people are so gross. Social media just, I hope this. I wonder what Dom would think about this. With you? Or Trump? Trump.

You know he would totally be on Trump's side. I know. He's business, man. He's a good businessman. What kind of say? What the heck? He would totally be. Oh, my God. This is so annoying. Oh, hold on. I'm going to go to.

I have one at 1.35, 7 o'clock, 7.30, and 8. Oh, well, maybe I do have... Did I take calls in my time once? I don't care. I like when I do it because it helps us stay out longer. I think I did because I wasn't sure if the terminal was going to work, and that way, if it wasn't working, then a call would be on another one. You know what I mean? No, all my calls are on this terminal.

Okay. That might all be me at the end. Oh, my God. Stephen Campo. That is so fucking funny. That is so weird. It's a little bit weird. So, yeah, keep your guard up. So who else?

I'm 43. I know you're 19, because it said it on the news. But I'm 43, so what's up? Oh, my God. And these people are paying money to talk to you. As they should. Wild. Oh, Paige, text me.

Oh, the Chevy one? No. Wait. Oh, Michigan? I think so, because she's a mass handy. What did you say? Oh, my God. Oh, my God, it's so long.

It's so long. She's been in your situation before. I know. We used to talk about it all the time. Yep. But she didn't get charged. Whatever, we can't talk about it right now on the phone. Anyway, she knows that you loved Dominic with all your cars.

And you saw yourself being with him, you know, all the way to the end of life, you know, and married and everything. Grow old together. All I know is that Kenzie loves that man with all her heart. I'm so sorry. If you can please send Kenzie my number, tell her to call me whenever she's ready. I just want to tell her.

I'm here for her and I support her no matter what. So I'm going to send her the information to download. Did you hear all that okay or was it broken up? I love her. Mm-hmm. And then, Anthony and Tiffany are posting, you know, don't believe. the media. Don't believe everything you hear. We're ever going to

stop fighting. Hashtag free Kenzie. Did you hear that part? Wait, no, I didn't hear it. Fuck. Well, let me turn you up because the bitch is yelling. You have one minute left. And I'm going to call. Hold on. I'm just going to call you back right now. Okay. Bye. Bye, I love you. Let me too. Hello. Hello. This is a prepaid collect call

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Hey, Funkum. Oh, I got a message, um... What was I going to say? From Stacy. Oh, yay! I love her. She was here before. Oh. I'm glad. Good. I love that you can talk to these people. All your friends and everybody,

that loves you? She said they have letters for me and books that her son wrote me too. Oh wow. Yeah somebody else has a bunch of letters too. Nicole? Nug, Nug wife? Yeah, she's got some stuff too and I just said well don't send anything yet because just keep it. I don't know what's happening so and everybody's stuff is so pending and so you make it some more today. Rosie's and fellas oh I love Stacy. I got No sleep last night. I was so mad last night. Those are her?

Mom. It was so bad last night. Can you think so bad for the help? I don't know. What are they going to do? They kept banging on the wall, like, shut the fuck up. Shut up. Yelling at her all last night.

Like, she was so fucking irritating last night. Like, she was pissing me off so fucking bad. Like, I was about to freak the fuck out last night. And, like, she first of all, she got to, like, talking to herself. Like, I don't even know what she was saying. She did not. I was up all night just from her, from her. Not shedding to fuck up.

Sorry. Do you get a pillow in there? Oh, I'm using my blanket as a pillow. Okay. I have two. Okay. I wasn't sure. So today I have to work from 8 to 445.

Oh, that's not bad. Uh-uh. Oh, my gosh. What? I'm dead. face last night. I was banging. She heard me banging. I know she didn't want to leave. She's like, I don't want to leave. I just want to set up a tent here and stay here.

She said once I started yelling, the people in the building next to us started yelling. That was so fun last night. It was fun hearing you both scream at the same time. I was banging hard as well. I have a little picture. They FaceTime me and pointed to the room, your room. And I took a little picture of them pointing to the room you in the room you were in. So they could see you, but I couldn't see you in the photo. I'm so tired.

Oh, but... Oh, baby, this is me when you're in your room for a little while, they could sleep. So, Lincoln's party, there was a huge thunderstorm and a tornado warning right in the middle of the party. Of course. I know. But I still end up having fun. Oh, you went? No, no, I was working.

Remember I had to make up my hour. But, you know, the kids just were playing in the puddles and they were playing basketball and they were successful. Oh, he's like at the basketball age, you know? Oh, my God, yes. He's been obsessed. I wish Dom would have loved to play basketball with him. Oh, my God, they would have had so much fun. Much fun.

So sad. I know. I had so much fun, like, playing with the kids with Dom. Mm-hmm. I know, baby. Tomorrow's it should be my last day in my room. Oh, right. And then what happens? Then I come out with general population. Based on their room a long time, though, because, like, we have so many, like,

people who have to come out, like, at different times, like... But still on the seventh floor? Yeah. Okay. Hopefully I get moved, though. I don't know, though. I don't know. If you don't know, that's really okay. I like that you're being protected. I don't like that you're being protected.

I don't like that. I don't really care what you think. I know what I think and what I would make my time easy. I understand. I'm saying I'm okay. I'm okay either way. Did you ever get a call back or no? Uh-uh. Isn't that lovely? You're like, I can't do where her ass. Like I really can't deal with her. Like, I'm going to freak out. Like, I don't know why they put me with like, Biza, Shizo, Peezy, Bidoo. We like, like, I'm okay, make Smezy, Creezee, Z.

Can you, um, move your room? No. Like, same floor, different rooms? Hmm. I'm not really, no, I'm so irritated. Like, I like, hate her so much. I literally fucking hate her, like, so goddamn much. Hey, hold on, say hi to Daddy.

Hey, Dad. Hey, Dad. Hey, baby. Hey, baby. Hey. Hey. What's better? Nothing, I just woke up.

Oh, okay. He got no sleep. Why? Because the bitch in the room right by and you just talks to herself all night. And, like, it's loud all night. and it's so like she doesn't asleep ever. Sorry, Pumpkin. I don't like her.

No, well. I'm sorry. Yes, I need to get off. No. This floor is shitty. I need to get off the floor. Okay, we'll see. I mean, we're going to find out tomorrow.

So, I mean, one more night, hopefully. Yeah, I'm nervous for tomorrow. Yeah, me too, Pumpkin. I'm angry. Are you coming tomorrow? Absolutely. Nothing will keep me away. get all my friends and people to come tomorrow

do what are the best we can pumpkin I love you so much, Dave I love you too pump I do I love you I love you love you I'm angry for you I'm really angry for you yeah this is shuddy yeah well you're getting a bad deal baby that's okay I mean you know how this is I mean the

the strong so detective he's an idiot the prosecutors must be a It must be a, you know, a election year forum. I mean, they're screwing you. I mean, they hid you on an OMV and they didn't do it. This is wrong. I mean, it's just fucking irresponsible. They both, the guys should be disbarred.

The judges probably should be disbarred. Well, not this one, but at least the first one. Well, you know what I'm saying. Anyways, I got to go because I'm going to say something, and it's going to make someone's feelings hurt. Okay. All right, bye. I love you so much.

I love you, too, Pumpkin. I'll talk to you later by that. Hey. Hey, Mom. Oh, my goodness. I could I believe it? Yeah. Last night?

Yes, like, she, like... But I just want to be... Yeah, he was not talking about this, Judge. He was talking about the other one. But the other one even did, like, really good things. He doesn't know. He's just her. You know that, right? I don't...

His opinion has nothing to do with me. That's just what he thinks. Right. Right. I don't know. Why? Why? Why?

You hear? Oh, I have three video calls today, but it doesn't, actually, I was wrong. It doesn't say who. Oh, my gosh. You have three? Yeah, I have one at nine, one at seven, and one at seven-thirty. Okay, so those might be all, no. 7.30, those might all be me because they're all so pending, yeah.

What do you say? Because everybody else is pending still. So they can e-mess, they just can't video. Why are they not e-messing me? because they don't know that they can. I just told them that they might be able to. That's what face is saying. The ones that can are.

The ones that haven't yet, maybe they can't. Sam, the heroin likes it so long. Just making coffee, getting ready to go to work. Danny has to work again today. What time does she work? I don't know, too. Uh-huh. What?

You take her to work? Usually if I'm not working, but I have to work so a day is going to take her. and I'll pick her up. And then we still haven't done the finisher's wingset. So... Did you ever ask Jim about all my step at that, um, Dom Pound? Can you just try to pick it up?

No, well, we just talked about that yesterday, remember? They brought it up in court, which they did, but that doesn't mean... No, I haven't not said anything. No, you asked me about it yesterday on the phone. No, then I have... No, not yet. I don't know if I got figured out, honey. How I told Angela, I was like, Annie, can you please put a picture on me and Dom and his trash kit?

just attract it and the prosecutor was like did you do that and each of them like I did not so what you're wrong with them like first of all Dom didn't even like you first of all so I don't know why fuck you like everyone like like Dom didn't even fuck with them much as like like to like a protector of like like weird as fuck like well he didn't respond so that should have been the first time that that was not going to happen which sucks me out so bad I just been thinking about everything that they said. Like, now it's just, like, starting to, like, come to me, like, what was said? And she, I'm like, what the fuck?

They're really, like, evil and stuff. Yes, they are. Well, they're hurt, too, which is making it worse. That's what I'm saying, they're hurt, but it's just, like, weird. And, like, it's just, like, I'm just, like, I'm just, whizam, whizah, Jesus, FISA, or, Lisa, Lisa, I need to, Visa, Visa. Visa, Visa, Visa, Visa. The whole, the whole family is just, it's just, it's a whole family is just,

I can't get with it because, oh my gosh, we've just spent waiting you. But every day you with them, the things they said to you personally and send messages of love and kindness and support and everybody. I don't get it. They would, like, fight for me and shit. Yes, I don't get it. Like, what the book? We love you.

You're safe with us. You'll always be part of our family. I don't get it. I don't get it. That's some, that's a level of. of evil. I will never, ever, ever understand. Because why? They didn't have to do all that. That doesn't

make any sense to me. Or they could have just not even say nothing and it just like, they could like down our side or some shit, but no, they just want to be weird as well. Right. Like, you didn't have to invite us into your home and your heart and say those things. Like, that was completely

unnecessary. That's crazy cycle level. That's crazy. I don't understand that pattern. That's my stuff. Like, you didn't have to go out to dinner. with her. You know what I mean? You didn't have to come over the housing drop-off gift for her. That's weird. It's weird. That's, I mean, it was completely unnecessary. I don't even know why, what kind of mental bullshit is that?

I hate it here. Like, I literally hate it here so much. Yeah. I don't know. I'm trying to, like, get the fuck work. You know, one moment's time. Mm-hmm. You have one minute left. Yeah. We can do one more time. Oh my gosh. Did you get my message this morning? Huh? Did you get my email this morning? I'm going to call you back.

Well, I'll go back again. But, yeah, I'm going to call you back. I'm going to call you back one more time, and then I have to work. I'm going to reply when I'm off the phone with you. Yeah. Yeah, don't even read anything yet. I just didn't know if you saw it yet. Save it.

So when we're off the phone. Oh, yeah, about to call. They're only $2? Yes. Oh, yeah, that's good. Holy shit. All right, I'm going to call you guys. Okay.

Right now. And I could have set up my card in the juvie thing on this app too. I didn't know that. I went online. They said to go to pith.net, so that's where I went, which was wrong. Thank you for using. Securus. Goodbye.

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Securis. You may start the conversation. now. Hey. Hey. Oh, sorry. I thought you, I didn't hear you. That's okay.

Where were you doing? I was talking to my wife. Oh, my God, the phone is right, so every time I can talk, then I hear myself talk. And then you talk. This phone shittier. It's another one. It's just the echo. I do with it that works sometimes, too.

It's really hard and weird. I'm writing Aunt Tiffany now. I said, hang with you guys. So much. So, so. much. I can't wait for video call. You need to take screenshots when I'm on video call. Yeah. Oh my gosh, 100%. Posted my pictures.

What? What? I want you to post those pictures on me. No, I'm not doing it. No. Why? Nobody knows. Or send some to this Kent. I want you maybe send some to this Kent. Because I'll be posing. Send her like the cute ones. From school? I should have been, yes, from school. Send her them. When I was thinking that, there's a camera here, too. I think, I think, can you put pictures on here? It's too late for a red. Go to the gym.

Oh, right now? Go to the gym. I can come out with, like, the other girls. So I wanted to go to gym. It's late. That's cool, that you guys do it late. No, we can't go late. They said it's too late.

We, um, bedtime here is 9.30. Okay. Okay. It's just he came to court, right? Yes. No. Yep. Yep.

I said, I want to hug. I don't know. I mean, do we ever get a private conversation? Um, I don't know. Probably not. I wish we did. Yeah, me too. No world.

I said, I love seeing you, I want to hug and smile so bad. See, how do you suppose my name L-I-N? C-O-L-N, L-N, L-E-L-L-N, L-E-L-N. L-N-C-O-L-N Telling and I love him Probably so big now That's crazy that all my friends are writing me

Tell Rosie, tell Rosie I tell Rosie, I don't know how much it's going to write me in? What are they saying on the line now? It's very quiet, Kempi Every time I was trying to look at the views The first one was like 2,000 views or 2 million or whatever, and then, you know, 500 and 300, 250. I mean, it keeps going down, down, down.

It's very quiet, and everybody's talking about this is bullshit right now. I need to tell you something, but I can't tell you on this phone. I know. I don't know how we're ever going to do it. Breathe it to be easy, easy, easy and teeth are easy? Uh-uh. Okay, then you don't. I would, but, like, I don't know if, like...

No, it just does. I remember he was like, I thought they figured it out. I still don't know what she says. And now I'll tell you. Now that I've been thinking about it, I think I remember what I sent to you. But I don't know if I'm just trying to remember. I think you were right when it was about seizures. Because I don't know about a seizure because they did.

They got that word. What were you saying? Because I was like, what if I, I think I was like, what if I had a seizure? I don't remember though. I think that's what I said. I'm sure it was. I don't know. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. I mean, they could have asked me. I would have told them. Yes, that was so irritating. And then they were like, I think it's Carnie talk. You know what they said? I was correct. I was cracking up.

And then I asked anyone if they know what Carney talk is and nobody, an officer in Cleveland knew what it was. But they couldn't figure it out. I'm like, you did W. Wiza, you do Wies and Wiza, he did Wiza, he did Niza, Weeze, Meeza, Meeze, I'm Cidaii. Like, they're acting like, I'm saying serious as shit. Like, I'm usually just talking shit when I'm talking. Right. And then I guess they said we were talking nonsense the other night.

I'm like, I didn't even talk to her last night. But, like, they're still listening, so... They said that. I did not hear that. No. Jim had mentioned it to me or something. Maybe they were talking amongst themselves or something. I don't know.

But every time we talk like that, it's literally just nonsense about other girls or stuff. Get apples or whatever. Oh, my God. Oh, I don't have enough stamps. How do I buy stamps? What the fuck? Debit balance? I have to buy stamps. Hold on.

Purchase stamps. One stamp. Oh, stamps are cheap as fuck. I'm buying stamps. I'm buying ten stamps. There you go. For twelve bucks, right? No, no.

Ten stamps are two dollars and five stamps are one dollar. Oh, yeah. Super cheap. Okay, I just bought five stamps. Okay. Who are you texting? I'm going to text faith again and be like... There you go.

Yeah. And then as soon as all your friends come in, you can start just texting them on your own because you'll have their info. What did you say? And then as soon as your other friends come in or anybody else, you can just text them whenever because you'll have their info. Right? Because now you can text. Do they get notification? Me?

Mm-hmm. When I text. Did you send me one? Were they waving? I say, yeah. I think so. Answer. She just had her car and stood there and hoped that you'd see her.

I don't know what you get in that. So sweet. If you come close to the building and yell, I can hear. Okay. I hear music from cars. So if y'all are going, Henry, or, like, if y'all get to bring a speaker and playing loud music, I will hear.

Okay. Oh, my God, this is not a thing annoying as fuck. So what was dinner? It was, like, meat with beans. Meat with beans and, like, tortillas with, like, rice. So it was, like, giving tacos, but, like, it was weird. Oh, you had to meet your own. That sounds really.

Actually, what did you eat? Oh, there is. Yeah, it's above the three. What did you eat? What did you eat? I told you I ate the rice. Not the tortilla? And I tasted the tortilla, but it was soaking wet.

And I got these cookies. Yeah, that's awesome. You got to take care of that one. But you had cookies, too? Like Oreos, but they were with Oreos. Off brand Oreos I do love

I mean you can see the city though That's kind of cool Oh I love looking out of my window at night There was a brown game I was staring outside I'd seen like them cars I always look out my window

But like I'd like stand out books So I stack all my books up So I can like see out the window And then I stand on my book And I just like stare out the window Good Cool And does the sun set on your side or no

Did you say that it? I can't see the sun say Oh the moon? What could you see that day? I can't see shit. All I see is buildings. I see all the construction. Hold on.

From a window that's like right in front of me. Oh, good. But I have to look at it. It's not in my room, but I'm going to. Are we allowed to go over there? Oh, I thought I'll get in trouble if I went in the corner. I would be like, get to fuck out the corner. Because I was going to look out there.

Hold on. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay, what they cut the phones? What's that mean?

They don't let you call after this. This is my last call with you. Okay, okay, okay. Well, it's almost time for that anyway, 9-23. Don't you have to go back in your room at 930 anyway? Yeah, what time is it? 925. Oh yeah, shit. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I just sent, you must select a contact, oh, a subject.

Yeah, that's kind of. cool huh? I love this shit. That's what I'm saying. Yes, I'm getting one out of my five to a.m. What'd you say? What'd you say? Oh my god, my heart, oh my face already texted me back. Yeah! I'll always for you. I love you so much, I'm waiting to get a friend instead of a call at you, but I love you so much mom. I'm gonna keep texting you though. I think I can text you when the phone's cut off. I don't know though. I don't know

either. I just love that you think you do this. Yeah. But I love you so much mom. I'm gonna try to talk to you as soon as possible tomorrow. Okay, pay attention to the board because we got a video call in the morning. What time? Like around 9.30 or something? Okay, I'm going to tell my staff. Yeah. I'm about to ask them how to do it.

No, we're not. We've been to miss it, but I love you so, so, so much, Mom. Wait, you said 930 or 9. A little after 9, I think. Just check the board when you wake up. All right, I love you so much, Mom. I love you too, baby. It sounds better.

That makes me happy. Mom. You too. Thank you for using. I love you, Mom. Have a good night. Bye. Hello. This is a prepaid collect call from an incarcerated individual at Cuyahoga County Corrections Center. This call is not private. It will be recorded and may be monitored. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number to accept charges and consent. Hello? Hey. I got my pod moved. Shut up. Yes.

Are you on your new pod right now? Yes. I got it moved last night during Red Zone. I got my pod moved. Oh. So I don't have a window that sees outside no more. But, like, I love my new pod. I love it.

I got a roommate. Yay. And? It's cool as fuck, yes. Kuddy stop? Mm-hmm. Okay. That's good.

So let me tell Daddy. She got her pod moved. She doesn't have a window where she can see outside anymore. But she has a roommate, and her roommate is cool as fuck. She loved it. She got moved last night. Good. So that's what's Red Zone mean.

Or we was on lockdown, I mean. Oh, why? What happened? Oh, I don't know. There was like eight fire trucks here last night. Like, I have no idea what happened. Oh. So tell me about your roommate.

Kizurneezer, Niza, he's this Tizi. She's a Cuisio, Wiese, Weeze, Ceeze, Keezeau, Keezee, Keezee, Keeze, Keeze, Keeze, Keeze, Keeze, Keeze, Keeze, he's off, he's like, you know, he's up. Hezzzzz, he's not. cheesy, cheesy and tease fees eyes. Cheezzee to lose his fee look. I don't know. Aw. Wee peeze off, but he's like, you don't need it.

Cheezzy so. Oh, my God. Freckin finally some normalcy. Bubba messes me. Oh, my God. Him. Holy smoke. About your friend group, Kenzie.

You got, you got some amazing friends, my love. Bubba and, yeah, Bubba and Rosie, hold on, I'm going to tell you what should. I'm not to get an iPad, too. Oh, my God. Gosh. Okay. Good. Did you, Jayda is freaking out. Did you respond to her? Jada? Yeah. She said she sent you two and you haven't responded yet. So can you just send her one? Yeah, hold on.

Real quick and just make sure. Yeah, Bubba said, like, I know my boys are mad as fuck. What? Like he's saying, I know the boys are mad as fuck up there. Of where? What did you heck? What? What are you talking about? about me getting a sentence oh his friends are mad about that is that what he's saying what

who's that the boys like Don and Davian oh yes yes yep so did you have breakfast I didn't eat breakfast I literally just got up

we're out till 11 and shit wow what does your roommate look like cheese he's like Biza, we say, Eid's Fiza and his Bidich, like, Bia, Jesus, we say, either, Jeezo, Keezo, Bidoo, Bia, Bia, Bia, Bia, Bia, Liza, we're like,

Eza, we're using, we're like, Ezee, whizzie, whizzie, whiz, Ezen, Ezen, Jesus, Leeson, Leza, Ezeneson, Jesus, Leza, Eezan, Bresor, Leza, Leza, oh, wow, oh, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, wow.

Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Okay. So, I'm going to read what Bama, said, because it's, like, Dresi, like, Trisah, the key thing. You can't Hezu me than Trees after the key thing.

He's like, she's easy, he's always like, I don't know. Yeah, I'm read what Bubba said, because it just keeps like fucking deleting me. It said, Yo, Kenzie, it's Babba. What's Papa family? We're going to get through this. Trust me, you got me and Rosie.

We got you. We got you. We don't put this motherfucker together like a puzzle. You feel me? We're going to get you straight. I promise my boys up there. Matt is hell right now at these people. I know they are.

And it's funny as fuck. The more I go through life, the more I see me and Rosie shaping into you and Dom. It's crazy. We're going to live on with them. I'm trying to shape my image into Dave and Dom. They're going to live on. I promise that. Yes, but I keep trying to reply, and it keeps fucking deleting me.

Oh, and it's the 22nd of August. Oh. So it's a special day. Yep. But, yes, I'm so happy I got moved. Oh, my God, me too. Because some of my last night, there's like half. I left fire trucks out of my window, and I just had the girl in the room next to me.

She's like, she's like, there's a fire. And I'm like, oh, my goodness. Shut up. Shut up. I'm back in the one. I'm like, shut up. Like, girl, like, if there was a fire, they would probably wouldn't evacuate us, but I just told her that. I was like.

I would hope they would. They probably wouldn't. I was scared last night a little bit. Yeah. Because I was like, I just melt smoke a little tiny bit, but I don't know if I was, like, tweaking and making myself smell. Oh, I wonder if it was a fire. Maybe there was a fire in the kitchen.

I'm irritated as fuck. I keep trying to send this smoke. message and it's like deleting it. Oh, do all the video things work on here? All the video. Okay, so I don't need to worry about video calls anymore? Oh, my God. Yeah. So, okay, so where are you on the phone now?

In the room or out? Oh, I don't have my iPad yet. No, so you're out, like, with the rest of the people? Yeah, I'm in the pod. Tell me why I got on the pod and they're like, I've seen you on the news. That's embarrassing as fuck, and they was laughing at me. Why are they, what they say? Huh?

Why were they laughing? I don't know They just seen me on the news And they was laughing at me Wild Yeah But I'm Miss Beebe She wrote me this letter

And it was so sad And she was like And she said something That I Like it took this accident To make me realize Like she Bebe

The one girl that Like Belinda I don't know who it is The one girl that knows Miss Cynthia That was in Juvie too Oh I thought her name Was Malinda with the M

No B Oh Oh, so she wrote you? Yeah, she wrote me a little letter And she was like, if people smiling at you At least she said something about like people smiling at you Don't mean they're on your side or something like that

I have to read at you And It took me like a long time to realize that Realize what Croso would smile in my face And like clearly she had like ill attention Man, sorry Covey Yeah, more than smile

Oh? What you said, did you make that who's doing this shit? I'm irritated as well. Who was talking? What do you mean? Who's that voice in the background? Zez, that's me, Rizumizate.

Oh. Oh. She's Rizzi's Zemuzee. She's Zem's a feeze on Rizzi on Rizak's Tzae. Oh, that's cool. She's these cues always a speech. look. Isa,

at least like he's her. Good. Good. She's going to like you, too. I'm not until 11, so I have, like, more time on the phone than shit. Well, I have to work. So you can't. I got to work.

Well, anyway, I can. Mm-hmm. Sure, you'll have to just deal. So let's, I got to work at 8. Okay. And then we have our video call at 145. So we'll kind of break up our day like that. And then you tell me what you would rather do a video call,

or a phone call. Both. Well, no, I mean, during the day. No, I want to keep that video call. Yeah, I'm just going to keep it like that, because I want to see you and then I see. We'll talk in the morning. I'll see your face in the midday.

Man, it just canceled me out again. Yeah, that's annoying. That's annoying. Were you up with Danny was in school? When who? Why didn't you wake me up? I don't know. I was curious, because she always wakes me up.

I'm curious. Oh my gosh So that had to be like super exciting for you To say hey Kendra we're getting moved let's go What do you say? That had to be exciting last night Oh yeah I'm like half I had such a bad headache last night

Like I thought I was going to like throw up That's how bad my head hurt Yeah And the one staff comes up And she's like She's like Shavilla You're getting moved And I'm like

Thank God Like thank God Headink goes away It's feeling great What'd you say Your headache went away started feeling great. You still have a headache?

No. Good. That's probably just from the tension yesterday. Oh my God. Why the fuck does it keep doing this shit? I got to tell you something, but I can't tell you on the phone. Well, then why would you just tell me? Because it's incredible.

I'm either going to find a way to tell you or it has to do with your angel number. Okay. Why can't you tell me that? Something really cool happened. Something really cool happened yesterday. I can tell you. I can tell you without telling you. Okay.

We went to go talk to somebody yesterday. Kind of about everything going on. Okay. And guess what their room never was? 22. 2-2. Can you believe it? That's so sad.

It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, Incredible. I got chills all over my body. The hair's standing up on my head. Oh, my God. Why does it keep canceling my message? Respond to somebody else and see if it doesn't. I really want to answer Bubba, though. I know, but you can go back. Maybe it kind of burp the system.

Go to a different message and then go back to follow up. I tell her messages that I just haven't answered yet. Yeah, I know. I'm like, yesterday it was kind of rough. That she was in her room all day Sunday. Oh, Anna said, I'm glad you can hear you can snack this food. That's good news. I just want you to know, I love you.

I'm thinking about you. We're all thinking about you today. Say, hey, I love you. You too. Heart. I can't believe the sent. Believe what happened. Did you get that paper?

What? Well, like, you know how you gave me that, like, letter before. Yeah. Yeah. You got my paper. I got all kinds of stuff. Yep. Okay, yes, it's just doing it on this one.

So I'm about to just try to message on another one when I get off the phone with you. I'm going to call you on a different phone. Oh, I had a feeling. Okay. So it's frustrating. Yeah. I got a feeling. What are people saying on the news?

It's divided, Kent. It's divided. A lot of people, yeah. A lot of people think you should have gotten, you know, life with the trolls, the Internet trolls and the evil people, right? I think you should, you know, basically for all of your life forever, more, ever, ever, ever, ever. Then there's people saying, I'm just sorry, I'm not okay with that. This is weird, and it doesn't add up, and I'm not okay with sending somebody for life for this, blah, blah, blah. Then there's other people saying, you know, I know with the family, I know who she is, you guys are wrong.

You know what I mean? So there's that. Oh, my God. I guess what my dream was last night. I just, sorry, I just, like, remember. That's okay. I had, like, such bad danger, but, like, I was, like, peeling off. like giant ass chunks, but like it was ripping my hair out with it, like the chunks.

I was like having, I had a huge bald spot on my head. I was still like, I had to what my dream was. No, that's scary. So are people reaching out to you or anything? Yeah, I got messages from strangers. Then there's this one who posted this whole big, long thing, total stranger. She said, I've been following this case. I just want you to know that I love you and I forget, you know, I forgive you.

Mackenzie. I do not think that you should be in jail. I mean, it's so, hold on. Let me, hold on a second. I was going to mess up because it's still along. She says, can you hear me okay? Yeah.

My open letter to McKenzie. First of all, let me say what you did. It's not okay, but you know, you know something. People make mistakes. We all made mistakes. The Bible teaches forgiveness. I forgive you, McKenzie. The judge should have let you go.

It was just a car accident. And some car accidents happen. I wish you the best of luck. I know how you feel. I'm so sorry the judge gave you 15 years. I will pray for you. you and I hope that your life will get better. God bless you, McKenzie Shurrilla.

The Bible also teaches us to love the sin or not the sin. I love you, McKenzie Shurilla. You've suffered enough. I want you to stop suffering. Jesus Christ will always be there for you. It's just that society doesn't understand that mental health is a genetic disease. Mental health is not a crime. Your parents should have made sure you got counseling from a very good counselor when you

were younger. I'm dead. I know. What do they think is wrong with me? Well, remember, they think you did it on purpose, remember? because I don't know. You have one. So I also want to say life is already tough as it is.

So for all you people on social media attacking her, please stop. It's not going to make it better. Just adds the pain. Just leave her alone. She has suffered enough. Wait, I'm going to hang up and call you on another one right now. Hold on. Okay.

I love you. Bye. Oh, love you. Bye. Okay. So I'm curious to know what you thought about all of those calls. Again, I just think it's so silly that what, what her mom seems to be prioritized with is like being in the group chat, work in the Instagram

account, what are people saying, living in the comments section, giving McKenzie a pass when McKenzie is talking crap about people and being a bitch and kind of soaking it up, almost like she's one of the parents, I believe wholeheartedly, who wants to be McKenzie's friend more than McKenzie's parent. And look, I don't know, maybe she was an outcast in school and like maybe she had no friends. And so maybe she sees her daughter as the popular girl, the cool girl, and she wants to fit in with her daughter in that way because she never had that growing up. Possibly, who the heck knows? But I think we can all agree that there was a very huge lack of actual parenting in this dynamic and relationship. And that leads me into everything with her dad.

I mentioned this a little bit earlier in the episode that there's text messages circulating several text messages, as a matter of fact, from different days where McKenzie is asking her dad, bring me warm milk, can I have warm milk? And that they're all in the late hours between, I think the earliest was around 1130 p.m. with some around 3 a.m. So people are like, first of all, what 17, 18 year old is asking their dad for warm milk? Who drinks warm milk? Who would be asking for it in the middle of the night? She could get it herself, like all of these things. So let me start kind of at the beginning. I understand. why it is very easy to jump to conclusions and think that that is code, especially given

the state of the world right now. We live in a very sick-ass world where there is a lot of incest, there is a lot of disgusting things that happen behind closed doors, and 1,000% I can see where people would make that assumption. Here's what I know. I know that warm milk is a very popular thing. Usually, yes, when you're younger, but to fall asleep. It helps you asleep. My mom actually used to give it to me when I was younger. I don't drink warm milk anymore. Let me just clarify that. I do drink regular milk sometimes. I'm like a cookie and milk monster sometimes, but that's besides the point. But it is a sleep aid or it's a natural way to help you fall asleep. Now, do I think this 17-year-old, 18-year-old girl needed that to

fall asleep? It seemed like she had plenty of medications and natural remedies at her disposal to help her sleep, whether that be weed, drugs, other things. Who knows? alcohol, whatever. But I don't believe, and I could totally be wrong, I don't believe that this was code for them sleeping together. And I could be wrong. Maybe I'll be eating my words in a few weeks. Who knows? I do think that it's possible that it was code for something else, maybe blunt, maybe something else, because it also has heavily been insinuated. And I'm just going to clarify, this is speculation, not proof, but that Dom, we know that Dom, you know, allegedly was dealing in a facilitator of weed and things like that.

It's been alleged that he was also Steve Chirilla, McKenzie's father's plug, and that that's how Steve would get weed and that's why he didn't really care that she was hanging out with Dom or that she was smoking and that it was kind of like all in the family in that regard. So could it have been code for blunt or for weed? Could it have been code for something? Possibly. Who knows? I don't, it is hard for me to understand why she would just be asking for warm milk in the

middle of the night so many times. And again, unless like she is truly like this is a big facade and she acts tough and she's really not. I mean, we know that she stole the primary bedroom from her parents. We know that she moved out before she was even 18. We know that she didn't have any rules, dressed like a little hoochie, like had no repercussions ever that even when she was a mean girl at school and got caught for that, her dad believed her through and through and was like, all I needed you to say was that you didn't do it. And I side with my daughter, which it's like, that kind of blind loyalty when you're a parent doesn't really fly you have to actually investigate the situation and make sure you're raising a good human so my point is i i p sorry i sidetracked a little bit so

also people are saying when she would order her drinks she did it as dairy free now i don't know i don't drink Starbucks i don't drink coffee much i don't know what it means when you get oat milk almond milk versus cow milk, all of that. It could maybe she did dairy-free because she had a dairy allergy and that. And maybe it was a different kind of milk. And maybe she's not going to say to her dad, bring me up warm almond milk. She's just going to say warm milk and he'll know. I don't really know.

I think there's so much hatred for McKenzie right now, rightfully so, that I think people are grasping at straws a little bit and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. And they hate her parents as well. so like they're happy to drag them under the bus with them, which look, maybe I'm wrong. And maybe you're listening to this and you're like, Annie, you are a complete effing moron. Obviously there was something sinister going on between the two of them. Maybe you're right. But from what I have seen in true incest cases, whether it's consensual or non-consensual,

I just have a feeling that is not what this is and that people are reading a little too far into it. but that's not to say that it can't be code for something else, that there still was not a horrific dynamic between the two of them in regards to parenting and responsibility and, again, raising her properly. But that's kind of where I'm out with that. So if anything changes, in my opinion, I will let you know, even though, like I said, I plan this to be the final episode on McKenzie that we do. But that's where I'm at.

And I've seen so many people tag me and send me like this, screenshots, the TikTok's being like, have you seen this? What do you make about this? I had a couple people come up to me at CrimeCon too. Like, have you heard about this? I felt like I wanted to at least address it so that you know where I stand on the issue. Like, I'm not bearing my head under the sand. I know about it. I've heard about it. I read the text messages over a year ago, as a matter of fact, and I just don't think that that's what it means. But again, I could be wrong. So anyway, let me know we think about the calls with mom, let's say this is, you know, a final stamp, chiching, we're done with the McKenzie Shirilla case with the little asterisk caveat unless something new comes up or unless

you guys are requesting something. So thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you for listening. I will be back on Monday with an all new deep dive into a case for you and it is a freaking crazy ass case. Went down the rabbit hole on this one too. So make sure if you're listening to this on the podcast, you are following the podcast so that you don't miss it. If you're watching this on YouTube, subscribe so that you don't miss it or so you don't miss any future McKenzie updates, if there are any. And if you also need more content to binge, as a reminder, I have a second true crime podcast called 10 to Life, 10 to Life, kind of like 20 to Life, 30 to Life, you know, but 10 to Life. And that's available wherever you get your podcast, totally free. And we put out

new episodes every Tuesday. So make sure you're following both podcasts. And you can go back right now and listen to some of those if you need more to binge this weekend. All right, guys, thank you so much. And until the next one, be nice, don't kill people, and do not get into a car with McKenzie Sherilla ever.