SERIALously - 211: Hampton’s Sugar Baby Murder, Daughter BBQ’s Mom’s Body, Attorney Buys Teen for Sex & Mica Miller Updates
Episode Date: November 7, 2024Today’s episode dives into everything happening this week in true crime. From new cases to updates on existing ones and more. Mica Miller Deep Dive: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mica-m...iller-what-really-happened/id1519456164?i=1000654861130 Beam To try Dream for the lowest price of the year, head over to https://www.shopbeam.com/ANNIEELISE for up to 50% off. Uncommon Goods To get 15% off your next gift, go to https://www.UNCOMMONGOODS.com/AE Shop the Merch: www.annieelise.com Follow the podcast on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@serialouslypodcast Follow the podcast on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/serialouslypod/ Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/annieelise All Social Media Links: https://www.flowcode.com/page/annieelise_ SERIALously FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/SERIALouslyAnnieElise/ About Me: https://annieelise.com/ For Business Inquiries: 10toLife@WMEAgency.com Sources: My Fox 8 NBC Washington People ABC 11 WPDE CBS News News 24 Audio Sources: KBZK NBC New York CBS New York Court TV
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Hey, True Crime Besties, welcome back to an all new episode of Serialistly with me, Annie Elise.
I hope you guys are having a good week so far.
It is officially fall here in California.
It is so windy today and so cold.
It definitely like feels like a crisp fall day, which I can't even believe that it's already
like you know well into November I just don't understand where the year went but
anyways I hope you guys are all having a good week today's episode is headline
highlights as you know we have so much to go over I mean unfortunately there
are a lot of new cases that we need to talk about but there's also some crazy
updates and some other cases and they're one of the cases actually I'll just tell you now that we're going to
talk about is the Micah Miller case because there's been some updates just within that
situation of itself.
There was an FBI raid and there's just a lot we need to talk about.
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Now let's get into our first case of today
because this one, I don't even know what to really say
and how to tee this up, because this first case
that we're going to cover is just absolutely disgusting.
Like I am talking scum of the earth type of disgusting.
35 year old Carl Schuman is a registered attorney
in South Africa and he is being accused
of buying a 13 year old girl and using her as a sex slave,
which we hear about crazy stuff all the time, right?
But in this situation, a 35 year old man
buying a 13 year old girl, a literal child.
And the allegations are saying that this man
repeatedly raped her daily, just beyond evil.
And to make matters worse,
take a guess as to who facilitated the sale.
This creep bought this young girl,
somebody was facilitating that sale,
somebody had to say, you know,
hey, you can purchase this, and guess who that was?
It was none other
than the girl's very own mother. It is truly sick and look, in my world of covering true
crime, I have uncovered some pretty vile human beings, especially parents, I'll be honest,
who will do anything for money. And it seems as though this is just another one of those instances where this mother
wanted money so bad, didn't care about her daughter at all, that she literally sold her to a 35 year
old man. So this all started back in September of 2022 and the 38 year old mother apparently went on
in a different adult websites. And we all know what adult websites I'm talking about,
ones that posted advertisements for sexual services
and things like that.
Although she wasn't posting for herself,
she was posting all of these sexual services
from her daughter.
And the websites were said to include Sex Trader
and Red Velvet.
Sex Trader is kind of literally what it sounds like,
almost like auto trader for cars, but it's literally sex.
So she was apparently making these listings
as though they were coming from her daughter, just sick.
And I cannot wrap my head around any of this
because it truly is despicable.
This 13-year-old's mom was essentially pimping her out.
And she also had another daughter who was just 11 years old.
So she's a mother of two.
It is just disgusting.
So anyway, that September, Carl made his very first booking with the 13-year-old little girl.
And then for the next few months, he started making more bookings.
Then in December, he asked the mother if he could, quote, buy the 13-year-old girl.
And that is when the mother agreed. So he offered her about 160,000 Rand,
which equates to a little less than $10,000 US dollars.
And Carl made a down payment and gave this mom a car,
which she could use in addition to the payment
that he was going to make,
just trying to solidify this deal.
And that's really all it took.
It was as simple as that.
And this mother sold her daughter,
knowing what his intentions were,
knowing what he was going to do with her daughter,
all for a little under 10 grand plus a car.
It is sick, which I just can't imagine the state
of this poor 13-year-old girl,
because I mean, imagine being sold to a monster
by one of the people and the one person arguably
who is meant to love and protect you. So Carl buys this girl and as I said, he allegedly would
repeatedly rape her daily. He would do it in a guest house or even in the mother's house and if
the 13 year old ever tried to refuse, he would up the ante, so to speak, and he would point a gun at her, and he would threaten her.
Also, he allegedly filmed what he was doing to her
every single time.
He kept this little girl locked inside a room
with no food, no water,
and he even sometimes would force her to clean for him,
which it really does illustrate once again
how insane it is and what people are capable
of doing to children.
So as all of this is now starting to unravel,
it was confirmed that Carl is a registered attorney under CBS Attorneys,
and his Facebook profile said that he also owned the legal practice.
But apparently not only is he like this terrible human being,
but he's also a pretty lousy attorney.
He currently has three active complaints against him.
The complaints are failure to account,
failure to attend to a matter diligently,
and also has engaged in actions
that have damaged his reputation,
which obviously, hello, I think that's pretty clear.
So last Wednesday, Carl appeared in court
and he pleaded not guilty to all of the charges.
However, he is charged on 26 counts,
including four counts of rape,
exploitation, kidnapping, human trafficking, and child abuse. He was granted bail of 30,000 Rand,
which is about $1,700 U.S. dollars. This was after he was arrested back in 2023. And all I
can really say is this guy was willing to pay 160,000 rand to buy this little girl in the first place,
yet his bail was only set at 30,000 rand?
It just makes no sense to me.
How can a man like this even be granted bail, right?
Now let's also talk about the mother, because she also pleaded not guilty to all of the charges against her.
As of right now, she has been charged on 72 counts. These include sexual
exploitation of children, child abuse, rape, human trafficking, kidnapping, and creating child
pornography. And luckily, she is currently still in custody. Now, this woman must have been some kind
of evil because she allegedly forced both of her young daughters to have sex with
multiple people in the guest houses all in exchange for money. Then she would also force them to see
quote multiple clients per day which obviously you can't even call them clients because they're not
choosing to do this sex work willingly. It's adults, it's minors, it's definitely not a client relationship. It is just
disgusting and these people are absolutely sick. So these two young girls
were sexually assaulted multiple times per day all arranged by their mother.
The mother also allegedly didn't register her second daughter with the
Department of Home Affairs when she gave birth and she could have not registered
her to kind of keep her little business all the more secret.
Who really knows?
I don't know how all of that works because again, it's a different country, different
circumstances, but who knows.
Now the names of the mother and the young girls have not been released, but this case
has me absolutely sick to my stomach because imagine all the people guilty, all the people
who raped and assaulted
these young girls, these kids. They were just absolutely failed by the one person who was
supposed to protect them. The trial is set to resume this week, so definitely check back for
more updates because I'm gonna try to keep my eye on this. I just want to know what the truth really
is here. How many people were truly involved?
Will more information come to the surface?
It's just extremely unnerving.
Now, let's shift over a little bit.
This is a newer case.
It's definitely a breaking case, but it is one that we talked about.
I can't remember if it was last week or the week before,
but we did talk about this case and there has been an update.
So remember, if you've been listening,
there was a murder that originally was thought
to be a bear attack because of how gruesome it was,
because of how diabolical the situation was
and the crime scene.
But then as they investigated it,
they realized that it was just a very barbaric homicide.
If you don't know what I'm talking about,
just go back two episodes and you'll get fully caught up.
But anyway, a suspect has allegedly confessed now to the murder of Dustin Jersum,
the one who was murdered, and again, it was thought to initially be a bear attack.
However, this suspect who confessed claimed that it was all self-defense.
Now, as a reminder, Dustin's body was found on the morning of October 12th by his girlfriend and another friend when he didn't show up for plans from the previous day.
He was found, quite literally, mutilated in his tent and it was originally thought to
be a bear attack because of how wild the crime scene was.
So after Wildlife Services found no trace of bears in the area and an autopsy was conducted,
it became clear that this was, you know, no work of a bear.
And Dustin was
said to have died from multiple chop wounds. That is a direct quote. Multiple chop wounds,
not my words. So two weeks after the murder, the authorities released an update saying
that they were looking for missing items that were taken from the crime scene. And in a
social media post, the county sheriff's office asked the public to look out for a large blue and silver axe,
also a shotgun and an orange cooler. The post went on to say, quote,
if you see these items, don't touch them and immediately report them. They also said that
leads were being investigated. So now that brings us to the arrest and 41 year old Darren Abbey was
arrested just last week on October 26th, and he has
been charged with the murder of Dustin.
And you'll never believe this, but this murder was apparently the result of an absolute
chance encounter.
See, Darren was also said to have plans to be in the Moose Creek campsite that weekend.
And when he got there, he found that Dustin's campsite had already been set up.
Dustin's set up had a wall tent, beds, and even a stove.
And get this, Dustin, the murder victim, also allegedly invited Darren into his campsite
so that they could crack open a beer together.
As he approached the site, he realized someone was staying there.
He stated, Dustin, welcome him to the campsite and offered him a beer.
At some point, this individual struck just Dustin Dersim with a piece of solid wood,
stabbed him in the neck with a screwdriver, and ultimately hit him with the axe.
And I just have to say, one of the most eerie parts about this is the fact that Dustin just
unknowingly welcomed his killer into his campsite.
Originally, it was said that Dustin was meeting up with a friend, but he was actually spending
the weekend with his girlfriend. So he got out into the woods a day early on Thursday
to set everything up, and he was supposed to pick her up the next night. When he never
showed, that's when the girlfriend, along with the other friend, went out looking for him.
And then the next morning, unfortunately, is when they found his body.
went out looking for him. And then the next morning, unfortunately, is when they found his body.
Now Darren has been employed in Big Sky at different times and he was arrested in Butte, which is about 130 miles from Big Sky. And he was actually taken into custody by police on
October 26th for a probation violation. So this Darren guy has actually had quite a number of
run-ins with the law already too. Just take a listen.
Battery on a police officer, burglary also found guilty at trial.
He had multiple charges of aggravated assault on a peace officer, malicious harassment charge.
He spent time in the Idaho State Penitentiary.
He's multiple DUIs across multiple states.
I mean he definitely racked up a criminal record.
There was also a profile that matched Darren
on the Montana Department of Corrections website.
And the profile showed that he was originally
from California and has several tattoos.
The tattoos also included swastikas.
So he was taken into custody on the 26th.
And then three days later on the 29th, he was interviewed
and he reportedly confessed to the murder.
But again, he was claiming that he did it all in self-defense.
After the murder, Darren also admitted to taking those missing items from the crime scene,
which had his fingerprints all over them.
And also remember how I said before how the two men, you know, cracked open a beer together?
Well, yeah, that can was found at the campsite
and the DNA on the can was confirmed to be Darren's.
The next day, Darren allegedly came back to the campsite
because he said he forgot his hat
and that's when he took more things from the scene.
He stole binoculars, a headlamp, and also two phones.
He washed the clothing that he had been wearing that night
and then he burned the shoes that he was wearing
on a wood stove, all to try to dispose of evidence,
which I gotta say, you're claiming self-defense,
but then there's all of this evidence
of you trying to cover it up.
I don't really know.
So he appeared in court on November 1st,
which was just last week,
and he was charged with one count of deliberate homicide
and two counts of tampering with evidence.
Now, because of the brutality of the murder, along with his very serious
criminal record, the judge set his bail at $1.5 million.
His next hearing is set for later this month in, I think exactly,
it's November 15th, but don't quote me, it could be a day or two, give or take.
But when you step back and think about it, it just is heartbreaking for
Dustin's family and loved ones because he was a loving father, he was
well known in the community, he had friends, a girlfriend, he just had a happy
life. He was inviting this person into his tent to have a beer, to enjoy camp
life, all of these things. So I hope now that there's some more answers that can
bring some sort of peace to his loved ones, but nothing can
make up for such a brutal crime like this.
But I do hope that the community is healing and sticking together through it.
Now going from camping to glamping, well not really glamping, but like from one end of
the spectrum to the other, from camping to like super high end ritzy fancy spa, I want
to talk about this Hamptons luxury spa murder that went down because I might do a deep dive
into this case.
There's something here and I can't quite
put my finger on it, but something doesn't feel right.
But let me just get into it because this case
takes place at an upscale spa and hotel in the Hamptons,
which just saying that makes it sound like
a pretty luxurious place, right?
Oh, it's an upscale spa in the Hamptons, but that's not even scratching the surface.
This was like ultra chic, ultra private, yet a horrific murder went down.
So 33 year old Sabina Rosas was found murdered in her room at
Sho Suji Ban House in Watermill, Long Island.
This is the Hamptons.
Now she was found murdered in her room. However,
Sabina didn't check in alone. She checked in on Sunday, October 27th, but she was alongside a
56-year-old man named Thomas Gannon. The two of them reportedly checked in. They got massages.
She got a facial and they relaxed a little bit. But all of a sudden the next morning, he left the fancy glitzy resort and he left by himself.
He called an Uber to drive him all the way back home
to Pennsylvania, which is 220 miles away.
Then around noon, an employee went inside their hotel room
and that's when she found the body of Sabina.
Now authorities still haven't said exactly
how Sabina was killed.
They only said that she was killed in a quote act of violence and the murder weapon or exactly how
it happened was never released. But then the day after that after you know his 220 mile uber ride
Thomas committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. However, before he killed himself, he actually
confessed to the murder. He sent a message to a family member just minutes before taking his own
life and he admitted to what he had done. However, it hasn't been said what the message said or which
family member he sent it to, so it's a little bit unclear what the details are. But of course,
this had everybody wondering, okay, who is Sabina? What was her story? Well first off she moved to the US at 17 years old. She
moved all by herself as well and she did this to study art. She became a very
well-known and respected artist in the community, especially in New York City.
Anyone who knew her said that she was just this extremely passionate and
talented artist.
She was a force of energy. I'd like to know when you've ever met. She's so engaging, magnetic.
She was known to not really stay anywhere too long either. She was traveling around the world
to work on different projects, participate in different art festivals, all sorts of things.
And she had actually just won her first artistic residency
and she was set to move to Portugal later this month. And because of that, over the summer she
started a GoFundMe page asking for money as a birthday gift. And the top donor on the site
was none other than Thomas. He posted on the page, quote, you have an amazing gift and soon all the
world will see. I love you. Now this is all coming from the guy
who allegedly went on to murder her. Now another thing was Thomas definitely referred to Sabina as
his girlfriend but to Sabina's close inner circle, Thomas was more so seen as a sugar daddy. Thomas
would travel around with Sabina, he would fund her art projects, and most of her
friends saw him as, you know, a loosely loose word. I don't know how to say that guys, you know,
I'm talking about like a investor, but not really. You kind of get where I'm going. More of like a
sugar daddy. Her friends also noticed his aggressive behavior, and so much so that they told her a few
times that she needed to get rid of him. He was here for dinner twice and he had money and he wanted to help her and he
wanted to be with her all the time.
What kind of a feeling did you get from that?
Well we both had the creeps.
It was more like a benefactor relationship.
The benefactor just really got too obsessed with the artist.
So he saw her as a girlfriend. Her friends saw him as a quote benefactor. I mean it kind
of sounds like it was bound to get messy right? And as if this web wasn't already tangled
enough, it actually turns out that Sabina was engaged to another man. Writer Iwata was the voice you heard in that audio
before and he was reportedly her best friend as well as her fiance. So she had this fiance as well
as some sort of relationship with Thomas. We're out of passion because this person who took her
life didn't want to share her with anybody. She was probably the most undiscovered
and underrated artist of our generation.
Now, a lot of people are suggesting, as I mentioned,
that Thomas was the sugar daddy,
and she was just a sugar baby.
And then he felt like he was losing control of her,
that she was going to be moving away.
And people also refer to it saying that she was his muse,
and that he just became obsessed with her, and that he didn't want to let her go and that that's what must have caused
this crime of passion. He murdered her and then he fled. However, there's other
people who are saying no he knew about the fiance. He knew what the situation
was. He knew what the arrangement was so there wouldn't be any reason for him to
freak out the way he did. That's why I said I feel like there's more to this
story here and look I'll be honest,
I have a few friends of mine actually
who have done sex work in the past
or who currently are escorts
and they are in serious long-term relationships.
Some of them even have children.
And it's not very uncommon
that the partner is aware of these things.
For example, one of my friends who is an escort
is in a very long-term
committed relationship. She goes on all these extravagant trips all the time with different
women to, you know, kind of be the arm candy with all these different men, and her partner knows
about this. It's not a secret. So I don't think that it necessarily means anything that Ryder,
her fiance, knew about the dynamic and that there was
anything shady in that regard, but I wonder how much Thomas truly knew. I just
feel like there's something more and I can't quite get a grasp on it, so that's
why I was saying I might do a deep dive on this, but I don't know. Now we still
have to go through the updates with Micah Miller because there was an FBI
raid, as I mentioned at the top of this episode. There's also a new case where
a daughter is accused of killing her mom with a chainsaw and then literally barbecuing her remains.
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Tell me what's, um, happened.
Um, I'm about to kill myself and I just want my family to know where to find me.
Okay, ma'am.
Just listen to what I'm saying, okay?
Let me make sure I got the exact location where you're at, okay?
Just one minute.
So 30-year-old Micah Miller died by suicide on April 27th in North Carolina.
And in a bit of a twist several months later, which nobody really saw coming, her husband's
home was raided by the FBI.
Now going back to Micah, Micah was found in a state park after she had shot and killed
herself.
However, even though her death was confirmed as suicide, there has still been a lot of
speculation and people suggesting foul play.
Leading up to Micah's death, she and her husband, John Paul Miller, were going through
a separation and it was pretty toxic, pretty tumultuous. And in fact, she shot herself just
days after filing for divorce. And police documents also showed that Micah had been scared for her life
at the time. She even shared this video to her social media right before her death.
Hey everybody, I just want to let you know that I'm alive and well and
life's been kind of crazy the couple past weeks, months,
years, but
I've kind of had to keep my circle really small for the past couple weeks just because
I'm going through a lot and it's hard and it's my cross to bear.
It's the thing that God has put in my life to deal with and I don't want to bring a lot
of people into it.
So ever since then, friends and family have been speaking out to try and get
justice for Micah.
They've also been accusing JP of abuse and they accused him of using tracking
devices on Micah, which made her scared and made her paranoid saying he's the
one that basically facilitated this suicide.
He drove her to suicide because of his controlling ways, all of these things.
However, he denied all and any accusations of abuse.
Did you ever physically abuse Micah?
Never once in any way, shape or form.
Not in any type of abuse, not physical, no type of abuse ever.
I took better care of her than any man could have possibly taken care of her.
In every way.
She never had to cook a single meal, she never had to clean, not one time, she never had
to work.
All she had to do was take her medicine and enjoy her life.
And I did everything I could to protect her from the abuse of people who were
trying to stop her from taking her medicine.
And I had the private eye to tell me if she would go near a gun store.
That was the purpose.
I said, can you all track her and just tell me if she goes near a gun store?
And they said, well, we can't track her for that reason.
We can tell if she goes near a gun store.
But we have to have something that's like a divorce going on or something. I said, well, I can't track her for that reason. We can tell if she goes near a gun store, but we have to have something that's like,
you know, a divorce going on or something.
I said, well, I guess we're getting a divorce.
No, no, I filed for divorce before that.
Micah's family has been trying to get
the coercive control bill passed, calling it the Micah Bill.
It's an act meant to protect victims of domestic violence.
However, when John was asked
why he thought the family was doing all of this
and why they were accusing him,
he responded by saying, quote,
They want money and fame. They will do anything for money.
Which, I gotta just say, this guy has been grimy from the jump, and I've done some deep dives over on my YouTube about
this whole case and circumstance, and he has a very long history of being grimy.
He, I believe, started grooming Micah
when she was just 13 years old in the church.
I believe he's had multiple affairs.
I can't, again, it's not top of mind
because it's been several months now,
but I will link the deep dive in the show notes for you
so that you can get fully caught up on this.
I think we did a podcast episode of it too,
so I will link that in the show notes,
but this guy is like filth in my opinion. So anyway that brings us to now. And the FBI raided his
home last Friday. The search warrant hasn't been made public yet, however it
is fascinating and it has a lot of people talking because I mean for a
search warrant to even be executed there has to be reasonable grounds and
evidence. So I do wonder what was taken into custody
or what evidence they were looking for.
I think it's more not tied to Micah.
I think it's more financially driven
because there was a lot of speculation
that he was hiding money from the church,
that he was doing some shady things financially.
And I think that that's what this probably is more so about.
However, as you can imagine, everybody's speculating, right?
And they're wondering, could it be tied to Micah? Could it be tied to her death? However, the county sheriff's office did say that
there is currently no evidence connecting John to Micah's death. They said that they are investigating
something unrelated to the suicide, but they didn't say anything about the nature of the
investigation. So we're just gonna have to keep tabs on it and watch it, but it definitely did
kind of catapult this case
back into the spotlight.
Now let's talk about this loony-tuned daughter
who is accused of killing her mom with a chainsaw
and then putting her remains on the grill.
Because this case is truly, truly shocking,
but a woman from Maryland has been found guilty of murder,
and not just any kind of murder.
She allegedly murdered her mother with her own daughter
as an accomplice.
Now that phrase sounds confusing.
Let me break it down.
Basically, 46-year-old Candace Craig is accused
of murdering her mother, Margaret Craig,
and after the fact, Candace's daughter, Salia,
is also pleading guilty to being an accessory to murder.
And that's not all.
After Candace killed her mother, she ended up keeping her body in storage in like a storage
container for a few days.
Then, along with the help of her daughter, who was only 19 years old at the time, they
tried to get rid of the mother's body and her remains, and they tried to do this by
grilling her on a barbecue.
It is shocking and disgusting because first of all,
for any daughter to kill her mom
and then try to get rid of her remains on a barbecue,
it's like, honestly, it's just,
if you could see me right now, my eyes are closed.
I have my like hands to my temples.
I'm shaking my head.
It's just like unbelievable.
But then you're enlisting your 19 year old daughter
to help dispose of her grandmother's remains
on a freaking barbecue.
It's crazy.
So this past Friday, Candice was found guilty
after eight days of trial.
She's found guilty of first degree murder,
second degree murder, tampering with evidence
and disposing of a body in an unauthorized place.
Now this all happened back in 2023. and her daughter testified that the murder,
the whole reason it even happened, was because Margaret found out that her daughter Candace
was stealing money from her bank account and also committing credit card fraud.
Tale as old as time, right? It's either affairs or money, affairs or money, life insurance money,
affairs. Like, so what? She was stealing money from her mom and committing credit card fraud.
And so when her mom caught her and called her out on it, she thought in her head,
oh, I better kill you now and I better get my daughter to help me throw you on the grill so we
don't get caught. Like, what goes through these people's minds? So the daughter goes on to testify
that on May 23rd, 2023, she heard a scream come from the grandmother's room.
Candace told her daughter not to go into the bedroom,
also allegedly saying that if anything happened to her,
her daughter had to be prepared to quote,
look out for her sisters.
The very next day, this daughter slash granddaughter
found her grandmother's dead body inside a storage bin.
A few days later is when they tried to get rid of the remains on the grill.
But now, this gets kind of crazy because the mother-daughter duo
brought the remains and the grill into the woods behind their house.
And when they did, they poured gasoline all over the dead body and then tried to burn it.
However, when they did that, the fire started spreading.
And because of that, neighbors started coming out.
They had water, the fire department came
to put the fire out.
I mean, these women were somehow able
to not let anyone find out what they were actually burning
during all of this, which is kind of crazy to me,
but like also so stupid.
Like now you have, imagine like trying to dispose
of a body and you have neighbors coming out,
trying to help you put the fire out you have the fire
department rolling up like I just can't but ultimately obviously their plan
didn't work and because of that the daughter slash granddaughter said that
her mom went online to order an electric chainsaw and that she used that to cut
up her mother's dead body she dismembered her mother and then shoved
the remains
in plastic garbage bags,
keeping all of these garbage bags in the basement.
About a week after this happened,
police conducted a welfare check
because neighbors said that they were worried
after they hadn't seen Margaret
or heard from her in quite some time.
So the police got to the house and when they did,
they immediately found Margaret's remains in the basement.
They also found the tools that her daughter Candace had used to dismember her own mother.
Now, police say that the clear motive in this case was financially driven.
And this is a statement from an attorney on the case. understanding woman who was killed, who was asphyxiated by her daughter.
And make no mistake, Ms. Candace Craig absolutely committed this crime and she is now being
held accountable.
Candace and her daughter's sentencing dates have not been stated yet, but the state attorney's
office did say that they are pushing for life in prison for Candace.
Which, it's just sick, right?
Killing your own mother, your own elderly mother,
then using your own daughter to help try and cover it up.
It's just so morbid and so disgusting.
And kinda just like the case we talked about
in the beginning with the mother pimping out her 13-year-old,
these people are supposed to be looking out
for their family, protecting them, not roping them in
to their sick, twisted life, right?
Now, speaking of roping somebody in
to their sick and twisted life,
let me talk to you about this next case.
Because unfortunately, the one I just talked about
was not the last case that we have today
of families failing people
who are supposed to be their loved ones.
The parents and brother of a teen girl with disabilities who happened to die
from neglect were just convicted of murder and they were sentenced to long
prison terms in South Carolina. Also let me just add that the older brother was
living with her as a registered paid caretaker and it gets worse once you
hear the state of Heather's living conditions the daughter who died from neglect to the
Teen daughter so let me kind of rewind a little bit Heather Baynard was 14 years old and she was severely disabled
She had epilepsy. She had cerebral palsy. She also had suffered a stroke when she was in utero
she had the brain development of a three-month-old little girl and
Truly had a very tough life.
She was brought to a hospital in 2022 after she was found unresponsive in her home.
Then, unfortunately, she passed away at the hospital.
But after her death, their home was searched, and what was found was truly shocking.
Now, first of all, there were 40 animals living inside the house.
Four zero.
That in and of itself is insane to me.
The house was also disgusting.
I mean, thrashed, there was urine and feces everywhere, there was trash piling up to the ceiling,
it was flea infested, it was disgusting.
And it wasn't just fleas.
There were roaches, there were maggots, there were flies.
I mean, it makes me want to vomit just talking about it and police even had to wear safety suits just to enter the home
It was sick. Now these horrific and disgusting and gross conditions of the house
Ultimately made Heather's skin break down and rot quite literally
One of the witnesses from the hospital even described Heather's legs as looking
like quote raw meat. The coroner on the case also said that this was the absolute worst
case of child neglect that he had ever seen. It's devastating, it's disgusting, it's cruel,
it's unacceptable. This poor girl had no way of protecting herself or speaking up for herself She relied on her family and this is what they did to her
Investigators also said that Heather's parents canceled all of her doctor's appointments during that last year of her life
Which how could you cancel all of somebody's doctor's appointments for someone so medically dependent?
The whole thing is honestly just beyond me and it's so heartbreaking for Heather.
And you know what it reminds me a lot of? Gosh, I can't remember the exact name. It was probably
a year and a half ago now. Maybe a little less, maybe a little more. But there was a case that
was very similar where the parents neglected their disabled daughter and she literally rotted into
the couch. Do you guys remember that case? Where literally she and the cushions and fabric
became one because of all of the body secretions,
because of all of that.
It's so incredibly foul.
So going back to Heather and getting justice for her,
it was a four day trial with it only taking two hours
for the jury to deliver the guilty verdict.
The suffering that she went through, not for a minute, not for an hour, not for a day, but for weeks.
Ladies and gentlemen, that's not malice. I don't know what it is.
Malice is malice. It's ill will. It's just whole disregard.
will. It's just total disregard.
And I had that little girl in that situation where she cascaded.
She's totally dependent on them.
Heather's parents, David and Bobby
Joe Baynard were found guilty of
murder, child abuse and neglect.
They were sentenced to life in
prison for the murder and they were sentenced to an additional 30 years for the abuse and neglect. They were sentenced to life in prison for the murder and they were sentenced to
an additional 30 years for the abuse and neglect charges. Now the brother, Edward, the supposed
caretaker who was getting paid was her brother, was literally like living with her and had no
other job but to take care of her. He let this happen and he was sentenced to 30 years in prison.
He was also found guilty of murder
It's disgusting and that's one of the things that I will never ever
Understand I don't understand a lot of the stuff I talk about
I'll be quite honest because like my mind can't even compute and go there of how people are capable of such
Monstrous acts but when people inflict this kind of stuff on the disabled,
the elderly, the youth, and these vulnerable groups,
and they inflict this torture, humiliation,
ultimately murder, that's a whole other level, I think,
than just murdering a peer.
Not that that's okay, obviously it's not,
but you know what I mean?
Like it's one thing to murder a like-minded,
socially similar peer, but it's a whole different kind
of depraved in my opinion to target the vulnerable groups,
the elderly, the youth, the disabled,
and then not only murder them, but put them through torture
because they can't, literally,
because they can't help themselves
or because they can't literally because they can't help themselves or because they
can't speak up for themselves. It's so it's so disheartening. I think that's the best word.
Like I could go with vile, depraved, all those words. It's just so disheartening. I don't know
guys. I feel like I need to take a break from my mental health. This is just a lot. Um it's also
been a very long two weeks for personal reasons, but whatever. I'll talk about that at another time. Um, sorry, I'm rambling now. And again, I'm glad this isn't on video because
I'm like holding my neck, trying to massage my neck, like closing my eyes. It's just,
I'm going through it. I'm going through it. Um, all right. So that's what we have for headline
highlights today. Sorry, I didn't mean for that to try to be like an intro to a therapy session
there at the end. Um, but that's what we have for headline highlights today.
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take a break I'm gonna close my eyes and like chant or do something to just like
get back in the right frame of mind. Thank you guys so much for tuning in
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All right until Monday or until Friday stay safe. Be nice. Don't kill people. Just get a divorce
Don't cheat just be a good human. All right. Bye guys Thanks for watching!