SERIALously - 300: 17 Year Old Girl Murdered Parents Then Begged TikTok for Help?! | Sarah Grace Patrick

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

This week on Serialously with Annie Elise, 16-year-old Sarah Grace Patrick made a panicked 911 call after her little sister discovered the unimaginable… their mom and stepdad had been shot right in ...their bed. But when police arrived, the scene raised more questions than answers. What really happened behind closed doors that night? And was Sarah Grace telling the whole truth?  🔎Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & Perks 🔎  Join The Club: https://www.patreon.com/annieelise 🎧 Need More to Binge?  Listen to EXTRA deep dive episodes every week on Apple! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/serialously-with-annie-elise/id1519456164 🚩Announcements🚩 Want to Catch Annie LIVE on Tour? 🎤  🎟Grab your tickets now for a city near you: https://annieelise.com/pages/tour 🌸 SPRING MERCH IS OFFICIALLY HERE! 🌸 Shop now at https://annieelise.com/collections/shop-all Don't miss out before your faves sell out! 🛒🌷 Follow Annie on Socials 📸  🩷Instagram: @ _annieelise, https://www.instagram.com/_annieelise/?hl=en 💜TikTok: @_annieelise, https://www.tiktok.com/@_annieelise?lang=en 🗞️ Substack: @annieelise, https://substack.com/@annieelise 💙Facebook: @10tolife, https://www.facebook.com/10toLIFE ⭐️Sponsors ⭐️ Homeaglow: Head to http://homeaglow.com/annieelise to get your first 3 hours of cleaning for only $19. Factor: Get started at http://factormeals.com/ae50off and use code ae50off to get 50% off plus FREE shipping on your first box. Buffy: Get 20% off your first Buffy order using code AE at http://Buffy.co. Function Health: Visit www.function http://health.com/AE or use code AE100 at sign-up to own your health. Shop Annie’s Closet & Must-Haves! 👗 Poshmark: https://posh.mk/Tdbki6Ae0Rb ShopMY: https://shopmy.us/annieelise Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/shop/10tolife?ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_aipsfshop_BKN1ZMCMEZHACVFQ2R75&language=en_US Disclaimer ‣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me. 🎙️ Follow the podcast for FREE on all podcast platforms!  Apple:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/serialously-with-annie-elise/id1519456164 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/6HdheEH8WeMTHoe5da34qU All Other Platforms: https://audioboom.com/channels/5100770-serialously-with-annie-elise Get Involved or Recommend the Case 💬  About Annie: https://annieelise.com/ For Business Inquiries: 10toLife@WMEAgency.com Episode Sources 🔗 AllegedlyReportedly FOX 5 Atlanta Law & Crime METRO NBC News NewsNation WSB-TV *Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and various news channel segments. When quoting statements made by others, they are strictly alleged until confirmed otherwise. Please remember my videos are my independent opinion and to always do your own research.  •••••••••••••••••• Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this video are personal and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer, or company. Assumptions made in the analysis are not reflective of the position of any entity other than the creator(s). These views are subject to change, revision, and rethinking at any time and are not to be held in perpetuity. We make no representations as to the accuracy, completeness, correctness, suitability, or validity of any information on this video and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. It is the reader’s responsibility to verify their own facts.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Tonight police are still looking for the person or people responsible for gunning down a couple inside their Pyrrilton home. James and Christian Brock, they were sleeping in their bed when they were killed. They had no enemies. For some reason they wanted them dead. And I want to know why. The two were together for almost 10 years and were raising three children. They were actually kids inside the house when all of this happened. Do they have any idea here why someone would do this?
Starting point is 00:00:32 This is so horrendous. You just can't imagine it. Someone would come in and just take the life of two good people. Hey, True Crime Besties, welcome back to an all new episode of Serialistly with me, Annie Elise. And as you can see, I'm not in my normal set. I'm sitting here on the couch with you, have my laptop in front of me because I needed to jump on the mic and talk to you about this case. Not only have so many of you been requesting me to cover this, to talk about it, to weigh in on it, to look into it. When it first came across my computer and my social media, I was dumbfounded.
Starting point is 00:01:39 I was like, how is this real life? How do things like this actually happen? And even more than that, I know the crazy and beyond explanation type of stuff happens, don't get me wrong, but beyond all of that, I wanted to know why and how. Like how the heck did this even happen? It involves a very grisly, brutal murder. it involves deceit, it involves a huge social media investigation, and quite literally some of the most bizarre and chaotic, and I don't even know what other kind of adjective to use, like beyond unsettling, some of the just most craziest behavior that I have seen in a long time and I think that is really what is contributing to the virality of all of this. So many people are
Starting point is 00:02:33 wanting the answer. So many people are just trying to wrap their heads around how this is even real. How is this even real life? And if you haven't guessed it by now, this is the case of Sarah Grace Patrick and how she is a teenage girl who almost literally got away with a double murder. So we are going to jump right in. So on the morning of February 20th, 2025, a 911 call came in to Carroll County Dispatch in Georgia. Now, the voice on the other end, it was a young girl. She was panicked and she was saying that her little sister
Starting point is 00:03:10 had just discovered something unthinkable. Their mom and their stepdad had been shot right there in their own bed. This caller was 16 year old Sarah Grace Patrick. Her mom, Kristen Brock was just 41 years old and her stepdad, James Brock was 45 year old Sarah Grace Patrick. Her mom Kristen Brock was just 41 years old and her stepdad James Brock was 45 years old. Together the two of them were raising a beautiful blended family of seven children all under one roof in what looked to be a very peaceful home about an hour west of Atlanta. And we talk about this all the time, right? From the outside, looking in,
Starting point is 00:03:45 this house seemed like your typical family home, right? Cozy, lived in, full of love. But what the investigators found on the inside? It was anything but that. The scene that Sarah had described was worse than anybody could ever even imagine. And stepping foot into that bedroom made it crystal clear. This was not just a murder. This was a brutal double homicide. When the first responders finally arrived to the scene, it was unfortunately already too late. Both Kristen and James were dead. Each of them shot multiple times. And right away, the investigators could tell that this was not the scene of a murder-suicide. That theory was almost ruled out completely like immediately.
Starting point is 00:04:30 Although, as I'm sure you all know from the many episodes that we have covered on here, sadly, that scenario is way more common than most people realize. So it was definitely something that they needed to rule out right away, one way or another. But now that it had been ruled out, the biggest questions remained of,
Starting point is 00:04:47 okay, well, if it wasn't one of them, who did this? And more importantly, why? Because Kristen and James were not the type of people that you would expect to just end up at the center of a murder investigation. They were well-known, well-liked, they were active in their church, and by all accounts,
Starting point is 00:05:05 they were just genuinely kind people. Friends, neighbors, even casual acquaintances. I mean, everyone had good things to say about them. So when the news of their deaths broke, it didn't just shake their family. It didn't just shake their daughter who called this 911 call in and said that her little sister had found them. It rocked the entire community.
Starting point is 00:05:27 These were good people, no drama, no known enemies. Nobody could think of anyone who disliked them, let alone someone who would want them dead. So from the jump, this case just did not make sense, not at all. So naturally the investigators wanted to start looking into all of the possibilities, right? I mean maybe it was a break-in gone wrong, maybe it was targeted even though they didn't have
Starting point is 00:05:51 enemies, maybe it was more of like a crime of opportunity. But even looking into all of the different theories and all of the different possibilities, especially the break-in theory, that really started to fall apart pretty quickly. I mean, for starters, there were no signs of forced entry at the house. There was also nothing broken, nothing pried open. Although there was one strange detail. A door had been found slightly ajar, just ever so slightly cracked open. Now, is that odd? I mean, definitely.
Starting point is 00:06:21 Why would a door just be ajar unless somebody had left their door unlocked that night and somebody had come in and just left it open, just a little bit cracked open. But was this enough to suggest a home invasion? I mean, not really. Maybe they were the kind of people who left their doors unlocked at night. Who knows? I mean, I am definitely not that kind of person. I like triple check and make sure everything is locked. But a lot of people leave their doors unlocked at night, especially if they live in a safe neighborhood. And I'm not suggesting that you ever should
Starting point is 00:06:50 definitely lock your doors, but it is more common than we think, especially in smaller towns. But still even thinking that maybe they left their door unlocked or maybe even left it a jar on their own by accident, things still just were not lining up. Nothing in the house looked ransacked. Nothing was missing. It didn't have that, you know, chaotic thrown together kind of vibe that you would usually see in a robbery or burglary. It just didn't feel like somebody had
Starting point is 00:07:17 broken in, grabbed whatever they could, and then just bailed and took off and booked it. And then you add in the most chilling part of this entire thing, which is the fact that Kristen and James weren't at the home by themselves. They weren't alone. Their daughter, which some reports say that she was five years old, some reports say that she was six, but still very, very young.
Starting point is 00:07:41 Their young daughter was in the house that night. She's actually the one who found her parents dead from multiple gunshot wounds in their bed. And here's where things take another turn. Sarah Grace, the 16-year-old who called 911 after her little sister found their parents, she was also in the home that night. Now neither one of the girls saw or heard anyone come into the house that night. And that was really important, right?
Starting point is 00:08:06 Because both of them were at the house. So you would think that any sort of information regarding that would be helpful. Whether they heard somebody, heard commotion, heard a door, saw something, saw a shadow, but they didn't see or hear anything. And here's where it also gets a little bit weird. Sarah Grace told the investigators that she did not hear any gunshots, not one. And they were both shot multiple times. So that in and of itself, I mean,
Starting point is 00:08:34 it was pretty suspicious at questionable at the very least. Because like I mentioned earlier, Kristen and James had each been shot multiple times. And we're not talking about some like massive estate type of house with like a West wing, a movie theater in the basement, you know, all sorts of different areas blocked off. No, this was a regular sized home. It was a small family home. So if a gun went off,
Starting point is 00:08:57 especially more than once, you would definitely hear it. Absolutely. No question. But then things got even stranger because according to one news outlet, a close family friend named Kelly Brown said that Sarah did tell her that while she didn't hear any gunshots that night, she did hear something. She heard her stepdad, James' LVAD machine stop working.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Now, in case you're not familiar, an LVAD machine is basically this assistance device that you can wear. It's kind of like a mechanical pump that helps the heart circulate blood when it's too weak to do it on its own. And it kind of just makes this like constant humming sound like a hmmm just this you know machine that is constantly running. So if it suddenly shuts off you would probably notice, although it is not as loud as a gunshot. So that's the thing here. How do you hear a subtle machine powering down, but not a single gunshot noise?
Starting point is 00:09:53 Let alone several. Obviously, none of this was making any sense. And I do want to just say this too, just to be clear. This was not something, this wasn't a detail that was confirmed by police or shared in a press conference. This came from a friend of the family. So do with it what you will. But there was just something about this case from the very beginning.
Starting point is 00:10:12 Actually, if we're being honest, there were a lot of things about this case. None of it was adding up. And the investigators could feel that too. Their spidey senses were going off. Just something was not math in here. You know, too many weird inconsistencies, too many questionable things happening. Something wasn't right and they were determined to figure out what it was.
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Starting point is 00:15:39 I mean, odd that she heard that machine shut off right, but not the multiple gunshots. So detectives started digging deeper. And while they were digging deeper, Kristen and James' family was left to grieve. Not just the loss of two people that they loved, but also the fact that whoever did this, they were still out there. There was still a danger not only to the public, but to their family. Could this perpetrator have thought that Sarah Grace or her younger sister could be an eyewitness?
Starting point is 00:16:06 Were they gonna be next? What was going on? Who was responsible for this? So as everyone is grappling with this news and grieving, the funeral comes. And for the investigators, this wasn't just a chance to quietly observe and see if anybody was acting a certain way
Starting point is 00:16:23 or if anybody showed up that maybe wasn't expected to show up. This funeral ended up being a major turning point all because of what was supposed to be a very simple, very heartfelt, very loving eulogy by their daughter, Sarah Grace. For those of you who do not know me, my name is Sarah and I'm Kristen Block's daughter Sarah Grace. I just wanted to say goodbye to my mom and dad and James since we never got the chance to. I was so used to you guys always being here to complain that I never once thought to imagine y'all not being here. And I have a single clue how much I needed y'all until now. For James, thank you for all the life lessons you taught me and for being the best bonus dad ever. Your heart will finally be healed and I have been and neither of y'all will be in any pain anymore. Although that gives me so much comfort, your fight was not
Starting point is 00:17:29 supposed to end there. If you're my mother, everything you went through does not define what kind of person or what kind of mother you were. You were a beautiful kind soul with so much gratitude and so gosh James, you're all... He taught me so many life lessons and something he just recently taught me was the Will I Use It for James in 2018. When I first read it, I smelled it and I cried. I got chill bumps. But every single time I read it, it puts. May 23rd, 2018. Do the wrong thing. May 6th, 5. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. They're all going to find you in peace
Starting point is 00:18:14 and leave you in pieces, but the right way to find you in peace is to leave you in peace. You can't always choose music the right place the less the chic, but you can choose how it gets to it. She was always dancing to her own beat, I will, and keeping my show to herself. Eventually all the pieces follow the place,
Starting point is 00:18:35 but until the life of the confusion lived for the moment, you know that everything happens for a reason. I can choose to let it take on me, come find me, re-follow me, hush on me, or I can choose to move on and leave it behind me. Always person walk. Considering that gave me so much courage, I want to remember them for who they were
Starting point is 00:18:57 and not what happened to them, and be happy for the time we got to spend together and not sad about the time that we don't. I may always and will always be her son's home but she will always be my star from up above. And I know at night time if you don't look at mama and Jamie and the sky, they gladly they will save me to see in heaven like they saved for me in heaven. I'm sorry. Gladly they will save to see for me in they'd save the superman this very church. Although there is nothing we can do to prove it back, we still have control over how we treat people with us today.
Starting point is 00:19:33 Therefore when someone tries to tell you anything, no matter how long before they need to feed, just listen, because you never know when it's somebody's time to go. You can say good night and wake up a few hours just to find out they weren't there despite their joy and their love. So just listen and never take a hug or any lip or anything for granted in love with all things happening like they did. And lastly, my take on not taking people for granted. I wanna thank my family, also known as my cattle fam,
Starting point is 00:20:03 my grandparents, my family, also known as my cat-a-fan, my grand parents, my siblings, Jaylee, Johnny, Jayden, Jojo, Tristan, Ashley, and Jesse for helping me get through my worst nightmare. And last but not least, I want to thank Tasha, Bree, Nate, Lane, Kimberly Hayes, Kim Bowling, Katie, and most of all, my father, Angie, and Ben for making such a big difference. Jamie and mom would have thanked y'all too. I love you guys and so do I, and so do I, I'm sorry. Now I've seen a lot of back and forth online about this eulogy, and I'll just say this,
Starting point is 00:20:40 most people agree. It was strange, and that is putting it mildly. It didn't really sound like a tribute to two people who had just been brutally murdered. It felt more like this weird kind of off-the-cuff fumbled apology, more so than a eulogy, especially because Sarah ended it with the words, I'm sorry. Now no matter how you interpret it, one thing is for sure here. Between that speech, the lack of gunshots that she claimed to hear, and everything else that
Starting point is 00:21:10 wasn't adding up, the investigators were officially starting to like lock in on Sarah Grace. Not necessarily that she was the one responsible for this, but did she know more? Could she know more? Was she somehow involved? And right then, Sarah Grace did what a lot of young teenagers do. She took to social media and she started posting a lot on TikTok. Not only posting about her parents' deaths, but pleading with the public if they knew any information, had any information, just absolutely devastated. And it seemed in a heartbreaking way as though the TikTok community were her friends, her closest friends, and that she was confiding in them and looking for some sort of comfort in them. Now if you didn't know much about the case, you would probably be scrolling on your For You page
Starting point is 00:22:02 on TikTok. Scroll past Sarah Grace's TikToks and see this very grieving teenager just trying to process this horrific tragedy that just happened in her life. Maybe, like I said, even looking for connection or some kind of strange comfort in strangers online. However, to the investigators who were very locked in on this case. They were already eyeing Sarah Grace pretty closely. So now these videos, these TikTok videos, they weren't screaming heartbreak. To them, they were screaming guilt. And here's where it gets even wilder, okay?
Starting point is 00:22:38 Sarah Grace wasn't just posting her own TikTok videos. She was actually reaching out to big TikTok creators, people with massive followings, asking them to get involved, asking them to please cover her mom and her stepdad's case, pleading with them. Y'all this is Sarah Grace and she messaged me back on June 3rd and just said search up Brock case. So I said Brock Turner, Brock who? She said Kristen and James Brock. Hold on. They're my parents and out of nowhere a random Thursday night in February someone came in my house with me and my five-year-old sister and my parents left them for me and my little sister to wake up to. Technically
Starting point is 00:23:14 it was a Wednesday night because I found them Thursday morning. I am so sorry. I cannot imagine. I will absolutely research and cover their case. Please take care of you always. So yeah, at this point, this case was starting to pick up a lot of traction online. People were stunned. How could two people be murdered in their own home with two young children inside and no one saw and no one heard a single thing? Also, there was no forced entry,
Starting point is 00:23:40 no solid evidence left behind, no clear motive. It just did not make any sense. And then just right when it felt like this case might actually go cold, there was a huge break in the case. The story we first brought you is breaking news on Good Day Atlanta this morning. Fox has Kevin Stewart joins us live at the Carroll County jail.
Starting point is 00:24:01 And Kevin, we understand the daughter of one of the victims has been charged with the killings. Yeah, that is the big shock of a teen. A daughter is now in custody charged with two counts of murder, two counts of aggravated assault. She is here at the county jail being held without bond. On July 8th, everything changed because Sarah Grace was arrested.
Starting point is 00:24:25 And get this, she actually turned herself in with her dad right there by her side. Her biological father, that is. So as you all remember, I recognize many of you in this room that did come out on the scene that fateful day on February 20th. On the morning of February 20th, 2025, deputies with the Carroll County Sheriff's Office responded to a tragic scene at 1531 Carrollton-Tias Road. They discovered the bodies of James Brock, 45, and Kristen Brock, 41, both deceased from apparent gunshot wounds. From the very moment the 911 call was received,
Starting point is 00:25:06 a relentless investigation began, one that would span months, consume thousands of man hours and require the full weight of the local and federal law enforcement agency partnerships. Today we can confirm that an arrest has been made in the case, Kristen Brock's 17 year old daughter, Sarah Grace Patrick, has been taken into custody and charged with two counts of murder and two counts of aggravated assault in connection with the deaths of her mother and her stepfather. While the case has not remained in the public spotlight in recent months, the investigation has never gone silent. Led by investigator TJ Rapeto, our team has pursued every lead, sifted through mountains
Starting point is 00:25:53 of physical and digital evidence, conducted countless interviews, and collaborated with agencies such as the FBI, the GBI crime lab, and private forensic laboratories. In a world where television portrays crimes being solved in under an hour, the truth here is much more complex. Real justice takes time. Time to ensure that no detail is overlooked and no stone is not turned over. Sheriff Terry Langley, alongside Captain Guy Pope and Lieutenant Jackson Lawrence, has remained committed to ensuring that justice is served in this heartbreaking case.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Their leadership, combined with the tireless dedication of our investigators, has brought us to this point today. We know the public has been eager for answers, and we want to be clear. So have we. But bringing forth the truth responsibly and thoroughly is our highest obligation. We are proud of the unwavering commitment shown by every member of the Carroll County Sheriff's Office and we stand behind the process that has led us here today. Our prayers remain with the families of James and Kristen
Starting point is 00:27:01 Brock and especially with their young daughter who was home during this horrific crime. We also want to extend our heartfelt thanks to the community that has rallied for justice and has never given up hope. The pursuit of justice does not end today. However, it is very possible because this remains an open and ongoing investigation that more arrest and charges could be made. So with that, I will open this up to questions. Does she be charged as an adult? She has.
Starting point is 00:27:30 Any idea what her motive was? We are still working with her diligently. Our investigators have been speaking with her. It is correct that she was the one who was being held at one point, correct? Yes. At what point did investigators begin to focus on her as the suspect? So I believe in the beginning of any case, everyone's a suspect. I think I told many of you that when we were on scene that day. However, as an investigation continues and everything ebbs and flows, like I said in my press release,
Starting point is 00:27:59 mountains of evidence has gotten us through here today. Lots of processing, lots of working with our law enforcement partners to get us to where we are today that honed in on her as a suspect. Do you believe that she tried to cover this up in any way over the course of these months? We've seen videos on social media of somebody saying, I'm making this message on behalf of the daughter. Do you believe she tried to cover up anything?
Starting point is 00:28:24 Considering that she didn't just immediately tell us what happened, yes. But who knows what's going on in a young person's mind like that. But she has been arrested and charged now and we feel confident that she is responsible for their murders. But like I said, it is an open ongoing investigation. It's very possible others are involved as well. What was the key breaking in case? Just evidence, being able to go through evidence, being able to use private laboratories, being able to use GBI crime lab. You know, when you're processing stuff, like I said,
Starting point is 00:28:52 it doesn't come back in an hour. So we've been filtering through and there's still evidence left to process. Do you know that there's visual evidence? I assume that's text messages, emails, was there sometimes a trail that led you that way? Um, there's always a lot of evidence. I won't go into exactly what it is because it is an open ongoing investigation, but we have mountains of evidence.
Starting point is 00:29:13 What about the social media and the tick tock? I think somebody that can be used, uh, that will be up to the prosecuting attorney and they'll work diligently with our investigators to make, you know, to make the case go forward towards trial or whatever they decide to do. Is that the younger daughter, the youngest child that found them? I believe that, and you speak to this, Kim, the smallest daughter found them that morning, correct? And then she came and told Sarah, and then Sarah made the number one call.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Where was Sarah? Sarah was in the home. No, I mean, in the interim. Where was Sarah? Sarah was in the home. No, I mean in the interim. Where was she? Who was she living with? She's 17. She's kind of been out on her own. Was she out on her own at the time? No, she lived at home with her mother and stepfather at that time but since then she's lived with different family members and kind of moved all over the place. Did she turn herself in? Yes, she did turn herself in this morning. Do you believe that any of the other family members knew about this?
Starting point is 00:30:10 Hard to tell. We're still, I can say this, that everybody that we have talked to through the course of the investigation, that are family members, have been nothing but cooperative. Anything else? Did you do anything after the murder during the investigation that you guys were using your own? Like I said, we're still kind of putting all the pieces of the puzzle together, but I can tell you what led us here today, and that's the evidence that Sarah killed her parents. Did she say why she turned herself in?
Starting point is 00:30:37 She turned herself in because we notified her she had warrants for her arrest. Did she have any previous charges that he produced also that house regarding her? Not that I'm aware of, not regarding regarding her not that I'm aware of. Did you see her worst foal? I have not been personally with her or interviewed her so I could not answer that question. So it's a shock to her family as well. Did she get any kind of a shock? Like I said, her family's been very cooperative. I can't imagine as a parent
Starting point is 00:31:06 making her father brought her up here this morning. She turned herself in. I can't imagine what he's going through. So my heart goes out to him as well. You talked about the family. I know they've been trying their best to keep this in the course of time. You guys are working behind the scenes. I guess it's especially for cases big. I think a lot of times the eye of the god is teased or crushed. Yes. I mean, you speak to that because they've been singing like on social media and they were frustrated, but it takes a lot to be-
Starting point is 00:31:30 Yeah, and we understand. I mean, if you don't work in the law enforcement field, like I said, CSI has kind of tainted us where, hey, something happens, it's done in an hour, this is not the case. I mean, and not only that, don't you want the right person arrested? So that's why it takes so long.
Starting point is 00:31:45 These diligent investigators took their time. We've got the person that we believe orchestrated this and committed this horrific crime. And that was played through the part of evidence. And that's not something that's processed overnight. Do you know where the weapon was obtained from? I can't speak to that right now. Still investigation.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Say that again. The younger child was polled. She is six, to that right now. Still investigation. Say that again. She is six. Six years old now. Do I have custody of her? She's staying with family. Can you speak to the legislature's copy of this? Oh, it's absolutely a shock to our community. Carroll County is a great community.
Starting point is 00:32:20 We very rarely have stranger on stranger crime here, so I would like to say that. We're not a dangerous community. I know that the TOS community that this happened in, those neighbors were really up in arms as they should have been. Like I said, this has been a process to get us to where we're at today, but we don't know what goes through the mind of a child who wants to harm their parents. So that I can't answer right now, but it is a very horrific and sad case. Was there any evidence of any type of, I would say,
Starting point is 00:32:46 abuse, but challenges in the home? Still an ongoing investigation. For anybody who worked on this case, I don't know if there's ever been any other people like this in any of your careers, or if this is one of a few. When the facts, as you say, lead you to this conclusion, is it difficult, or what is that like with the human kind of when you saw the facts?
Starting point is 00:33:09 You know, anytime you work a case where somebody's life has been cut short, James is a special case because I believe, according to his family, he had a lot of heart trouble. He'd had numerous heart surgeries. I believe he may have been waiting on a heart transplant at some point. And to have his life cut short when he was given so many opportunities to live, to me
Starting point is 00:33:30 that's a big takeaway from this story. And that a mother and a stepfather will never be able to raise their children and the little girl that was in the home. To me, she's probably the saddest victim in all of this. You mentioned she didn't turn herself in. You said she was turned in with her father. Yes, yes. Alright, now this shocked everyone.
Starting point is 00:33:54 I mean not only family and friends in the community, but it shocked everyone on social media because here Sarah Grace had already created a pretty big following for herself, and she was constantly sharing her journey of losing her mother and her stepfather and the grief and how her little sister, her five-year-old or six-year-old little sister is the one who found their bodies and social media and the social media community had been following along with this story.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Just their hearts breaking for her, watching it all unfold. And again, she had reached out to so many creators too, asking them to cover this case. So now seeing that she had been arrested and looking at all of those TikTok videos in hindsight, everyone was floored. Nobody could make sense of it. And everybody's thinking like, okay, there's got to be more to the story here.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Surely this isn't what we're seeing at face value. Like on the surface, there has got to be more. But was there? What was the motive? Where was the murder weapon? Who else was involved? And why would Sarah Grace have done this? There were still a lot of questions that needed to be answered. I'm gonna be honest with you guys, cause I feel like we are in the circle of trust. I don't consider myself a bougie person. I really don't. I can eat freaking, I can chief down an Arby's sandwich
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Starting point is 00:40:17 Like we know that Kristen and James were shot, right? But there's been no confirmation of whether a gun was ever recovered. Did they ever find it? Is it still missing? I don't know, they have not answered that, but that detail is definitely sticking with me very closely. And if the weapon is still missing, then that opens up a whole new can of worms, right?
Starting point is 00:40:38 I mean, could a 17-year-old really pull this off, hide a murder weapon so well that the investigators still haven't found it? Where did she even get it also? Was it something that was already in the house or did she somehow get her hands on it another way? I would imagine that when they found Kristen and James they would have looked to see if there was a gun inside the house or if anything was missing. Was it there? Was it somewhere else? Did somebody else have the gun and did she, did Sarah Grayson give it to somebody to dispose of? Was somebody else involved?
Starting point is 00:41:08 I mean, we're definitely still in the early stages here and there are way more questions than answers right now, but those are just a few. Not to mention the big number one question, why? And, and not for nothing, but let me give a second backup question that I think is equally important, if not even, I don't wanna say more important, but equally important. Why did you let your sister, your five or six year old little sister,
Starting point is 00:41:32 be the one to find her parents? Do you have no soul? Do you have no fucking heart? Like that is going to traumatize this little girl for the rest of her life. All the while while you just took to TikTok grieving, begging people to cover the case, acting distraught. Like clearly isn't something right. And before I go into all of that, I will say there is a lot of speculation and a lot
Starting point is 00:41:57 of mixed stories out there about Sarah Grace's mental health. That she has gone into facilities in the past. That that is a contributing factor in all this, but because we don't know anything concrete, I don't want to just throw it all out here and speculate on that. We will do of course a follow-up episode where I go into that more once more information is shared, but I do want to just at least throw out a tiny little bit of that. So as you can imagine, after her arrest, this case really blew up. I mean, it already had blown up way before this because of all the social media stuff, but you know, back when it was still unsolved.
Starting point is 00:42:35 But now it was really taking off and a big part of that viral push came from TikTok directly and came from a TikTok creator named Allegedly Reportedly. They understandably were very shaken up by everything that was coming out and honestly same. I think everybody was but take a listen. Much more information is going to come out. I will be making another video about this.
Starting point is 00:42:59 I just wanted to get this out. I am an absolute shock because again the question I asked at the beginning of this out. I am in absolute shock because again the question I asked at the beginning of this video, why would you message me or any other true crime creator saying, hey please cover this case and then you wind up being arrested for it. This case is honestly a textbook example of why people get so hooked on true crime because nothing about this case makes any sense. You can sit there and turn over all of the whys a hundred different ways. You can look at it from a hundred different angles, yet still come up empty. Nothing makes sense.
Starting point is 00:43:34 And as of right now, there is no known motive. Investigators, at least, haven't shared one, and they don't even seem to have a working theory unless they are just completely shielding it from the public, which I could also understand. But that's what makes all of this even more unsettling because there are just no answers. And what's wild too is how fresh all of this still is. The arrest, the investigation, I mean, all of it. It's all happening in real time, unfolding as we speak.
Starting point is 00:44:03 And in the initial press conference, officials said that Sarah Grace's family had been cooperative. So did anybody have some information maybe unbeknownst to them and then they were cooperating and sharing it? Are they sharing about Sarah Grace's mental health? Like what more are we going to learn? And I have to say just when we felt like okay we're not gonna hear anything for a while, this was Sarah Grace, she killed her parents, whether it was mental health or something else,
Starting point is 00:44:32 case closed, we'll find out the answers later, just when we thought that was the case, Long Crime dropped a little nugget in one of their recent videos, because investigators have now said that more arrests could still be coming, which that definitely raised some eyebrows. There's one other thing that I found interesting. You said more arrests could be possible. Can you elaborate a little on that?
Starting point is 00:44:59 So what we believe is through, you know, interviews that we have had with Sarah, her father has been present during those as well, different information that we've gotten throughout the course of the investigation and now that she's in custody could possibly lead to other individuals that may have been a part of this. So that is what we're following now is those leads and seeing where that takes us, but we're not ruling it out. When you say a part of this, do you mean a part of the actual killings,
Starting point is 00:45:31 a part of the accessory after the fact, harboring? Or what are you thinking? Well, it's hard to tell, but I can tell you that we're looking at a couple of different aspects that someone could have been involved or had knowledge, and we won't know all those facts until we continue to work this case. It remains a very active and fluid case and just because we made an arrest doesn't mean we don't still have a lot of work to do. Now I don't know if this means anything okay? I don't know if there really are more arrests coming or
Starting point is 00:46:00 if they're just kind of saying this to cover their bases in case they do find out that more people were involved. Maybe there was a co-conspirator. Maybe there was a friend of Sarah Grace's that helped her out. Maybe there was a family member who didn't help her with the murders, but had more information than they let on and were hiding that information. We don't know. But I think the biggest question that I have in all of this, and I think it's one that a lot of us probably share, is why?
Starting point is 00:46:25 Why? And if Sarah Grace is only one piece of a much bigger puzzle, then there is clearly a lot that we still don't know. And that does make sense too, because investigators aren't just going to show their full hand if they're still building a case towards somebody else, and if there are more arrests that might be happening behind the scenes. They're going to keep that information privileged. They're not going to want to jeopardize their investigation.
Starting point is 00:46:48 But what's also been really telling through all of this is how people who actually knew Sarah in real life, kids who went to school with her, people who were friends with her, how they've now started sharing their own reactions on TikTok. And across the board, it's kind of the same sentiment, just total shock. Nobody was expecting this. Nobody saw anything like this coming. There were no warning signs, no red flags, no stories of her being a bully or even ever remotely aggressive. I mean, certainly nothing that could ever make you think that this girl could be capable of anything like this, let alone a double homicide.
Starting point is 00:47:26 Here's a few things about Sarah that would shock you for her to even do this, and this is why we didn't suspect anything about it. Going to school with her and being her friend, she was super sweet. She always wanted to be friends with people. As someone else said when they were telling you, like telling us about like them being friends, She would always give notes to people that were crying. She'd always come up to you. She'd always give you food She just wanted to be liked and that's why it was so surprising to us that she would even do this Some of her family members have even come forward in the media and they've expressed they're just complete and utter shock at her arrest Some of them even expressing their doubts that she's guilty. Joining us now is Sarah Patrick's grandfather and Kristen Brock's dad, Dennis Nolan. Thank
Starting point is 00:48:10 you for taking the time to be with us. I can't imagine what you and your family are going through. First question, what was your reaction to Sarah's arrest this week? Well, very surprised. I mean, I've been talking to the detectives since it happened. Had no indication that they were looking at Sarah as a suspect, no less any evidence that said she did it. So I was shocked. Do you believe she's the one who did this? No. No. I think to sum it up really the detectives the best they could tell me was the evidence says that she's the only one who could possibly have done it. That says to me that there's no real
Starting point is 00:49:03 evidence that says she did do it. We hear that there's a mountain of evidence, but they haven't really said, but their term was mountain of evidence. What did they tell you beyond just she's the only one who possibly could have done it? What did they share with you about why they believe she's the one who is responsible for this? Well, they never did share anything that said she was responsible,
Starting point is 00:49:27 other than the fact that she's the only one, what the evidence says, she's the only one who could possibly have done it. Of course, they haven't revealed any of the evidence, because it's an ongoing investigation, and I understand that. But I know they were pressured to make an arrest and I think this might have been premature I don't think they
Starting point is 00:49:51 they needed to wait till the investigation was over. Sarah was certainly wasn't going anywhere but you know she's taking it very hard. She swears by her innocence. Have you spoken with her since her arrest? Yes, she called me from the jail the day after, of course pleading for me to help her get out and she was just very, saying, please help me. Then there's not much I can do at this point. I don't know what else to say.
Starting point is 00:50:34 She's always been a good kid. I've always liked Sarah. She was always very friendly and she never really asked for anything. She was a very, you know, to me she was just an ideal child. She just graduated from high school. She was very proud of that. She was working two jobs. She was doing very well and I just don't understand what could have ever, if she did do this, what triggered it.
Starting point is 00:51:08 If you, during that phone call, asked her if she had done it, what did she say? I didn't ask her because it was just assumed she didn't do it. I wasn't gonna accuse her of doing it. I just advised her to cooperate with the authorities and we'd wait and see and hopefully get her through this. And she maintained her innocence on that phone call if she said she's not the person? She said, I didn't do it.
Starting point is 00:51:43 She said, why are they doing this to me? And I'm sorry to go back to February 20th, because I know you lost your daughter and your son-in-law. But what did Sarah tell you about that night in conversations that you had? Just that, you know, that Jaylee, her daughter, went in to wake them up. She came back and Jaylee said she couldn't wake them up, and Sarah went in and found them, you know, deceased. And she made, she called 911, and that's all she said. She's never gone beyond that. I know this is kind of a difficult question, but law enforcement said that they found it suspicious that Sarah would not have heard gunshots in that home.
Starting point is 00:52:29 And that was something that in the beginning started, I guess, to, it was a red flag for them. And that a five-year-old would go in and potentially hear gunshots. And I know James had a heart machine, but then Sarah would not. And that they found suspicious. What do you say to that? Well, I don't know. The house was very unusual,
Starting point is 00:52:51 and her bedroom wasn't next to theirs, but Sarah claimed that the TVs were on. I know they were on in both rooms. I don't know. It did seem unusual to me that she didn't say she didn't hear the gunshots, but at 1.30 in the morning, she was asleep. I'm such a solid sleeper. You know, it possibly could have happened to me and not hurt it. What was her relationship with James and Kristen?
Starting point is 00:53:34 It was good. It was very good. She was here Thanksgiving with them and we had a good time. Everybody was happy and it was a good conversation. There was no trouble. My conversations with Kristin right up to that night, she never mentioned anything about problems with Sarah, which she would have done. We, Kristen and I were very close. She was the daddy's girl. Did Sarah know how to fire a gun?
Starting point is 00:54:15 I'm sure she did. Yeah. You know, and this is Georgia. I mean, many people grow up handling firearms. Did she grow up around guns? Did James have, were there guns in the house? You know, there were times they were here, you know, while we're out in the county, and we've taken, you know, some of my guns and fired them off my deck and so forth. And I
Starting point is 00:54:37 believe Sarah protecting some of that at times, her brothers were more interested in it. But yeah, no, I wouldn't say she grew up with guns, no. At the funeral, another, and the spokesperson for the Carroll County Sheriff said that this was something that stood out to her, that in Sarah's speech at the funeral, she said sorry at the end of her speech. And I guess investigators, that was another red flag for them. What do you make of that, that being a red flag to the people now accusing her of murder?
Starting point is 00:55:18 I'm sorry, she wrote that speech and I can't speak for her for that. It didn't, speech and I can't speak for her for that. It didn't even occur. That never occurred to me. You know, I'm sure she was sorry it all happened. I am sorry it happened. Using the word sorry, I don't think there's any admission of guilt. I think that's a little exaggerated. So it really does make you wonder, right? Are these people just deep in denial because they cannot reconcile the fact that Sarah could be guilty of what she's being accused of? Or is it possible that they're picking up on something valid? Maybe some cracks in the investigation that haven't been fully addressed yet? I mean, at this point, it's hard to say, right? But the questions, they do just continue to stack up. And I'm honestly so curious to hear your thoughts on this case, because for me,
Starting point is 00:56:14 this case feels incredibly personal and very deliberate. But at the same time, there still is so much that we don't know. So it wouldn't surprise me one bit if new information comes out that just completely flips everything about this case that we thought we knew or thought we understood on its head. And I still just cannot get past the fact that there is no motive. That feels impossible if I'm being honest. I mean could it have really been to just get attention on TikTok to just go viral to get social media fame or is there an undercurrent of hostilities teenage angst against her parents? I mean the whole TikTok thing it does sound extreme and what I mean by that is if she did this just to get famous on TikTok and social media, it sounds extreme.
Starting point is 00:57:06 Yes. But also, let's be honest, it wouldn't be the wildest thing that we've seen in cases like this one. Eden Fucci, that wasn't necessarily just to go viral and get famous when he killed Tristan Bailey, but it was a big component of it afterward. If you remember, if you're not familiar with that case, you don't remember, but I have a whole playlist. You can go back, you can search it.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Just search the podcast name in that case or search it on YouTube. But right after he was put into the police car, not even for an arrest, but for questioning with his other friend because he was the last one to see Tristan, he took to Snapchat immediately. And he kind of had this like smug look on his face being like, Tristan, where you at? I'm gonna kill you. Come out, come out, wherever you are.
Starting point is 00:57:47 And like, why am I in the back of a cop car right now? Like trying to get clout or get fame on social media. So it is something we have seen before. Is that what's happening in this case? I don't really know. As of right now, Sarah Grace's entire TikTok has been wiped. All of her videos, gone. But of course, as the saying goes, the internet never forgets, right? People were very quick to screen grab it, record it, download it, repost it, everything before it all got deleted. And that also begs the question of when her account was deleted. Was that something that had happened at law enforcement's hands? Or did she try to delete everything?
Starting point is 00:58:27 Was she trying to hide something? Maybe she realized how much of the evidence against her is digital and how that never will go away. Or like I said, did somebody else take it all down? Which if so, that would make that comment about potential more arrests even more interesting. And as a quick side note, I've seen a ton of random information floating around online about this case, about Sarah, about even her family, but a lot of that information did
Starting point is 00:58:54 come from TikTok or Reddit threads. It really had zero credible sourcing, so because of that I didn't include any of that information in this episode. But if I ever do find real evidence backing any of that information in this episode. But if I ever do find real evidence backing any of that information, I absolutely will cover it in a future episode or an update episode. But for right now, I just wanted to stick with
Starting point is 00:59:14 what's actually been verified. So if you have been researching this case on your own and you're like, Annie, why don't you bring up this, this or this? That's why, because it's all unverified at this moment. So yeah, I wanna know what you guys think about this. Have you heard about this case before today? If you have, what have you heard about it?
Starting point is 00:59:31 What information, what theories, all of that? Are you pulled into this case as much as I am, even if you are hearing about it for the first time? Because something is telling me in my gut that we are just scratching the surface here. And I am gonna be keeping a very close eye on this case. Something is telling me in my gut that we are just scratching the surface here and I am going to be keeping a very close eye on this case. So I will be back and I will be updating you again very soon.
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Starting point is 01:00:14 with headline highlights where we are breaking down everything happening this week in the true crime world. But other than that guys, just be nice, don't kill people. Definitely don't do anything questionable for TikTok clout, and just be a good human. All right? All right, I'll talk with you guys again very soon. Until the next one, stay safe. Bye.

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