SERIALously - 337: The Most Disturbing & Gruesome Case I’ve Covered | Noida Murders

Starting point is 00:00:00 In 2005, two girls went missing from an area of Danny. This was a man who came from one world and left for another. He found that the world he entered was full of depravity. This is every parent's worst nightmare. Your child goes missing. You don't know where they are, but worse than that, it seems that no one's listening. Serial killers seldom stick out in the crowd.

Starting point is 00:00:22 It's a moment not just of utter panic, but what do you do? Your child's gone missing. You can't find it. Hey, true crime besties, welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialistly. 2004, something unsettling started happening in Natari, a very densely populated working-class neighborhood just outside of New Delhi in northern India. Children were disappearing. Now, at first, it didn't seem connected. A young boy left home to run an errand and didn't come back. Then a few weeks later, a girl vanished on her way to the market. Months would pass, then another child would

Starting point is 00:01:23 disappear. The point being, it wasn't frequent enough to cause immediate panic, but it was just enough to make families feel like something was off. Now, each case on its own was treated like an unfortunate and isolated event, again, not connected. But as the months dragged on, families in the neighborhood started comparing stories. They started talking about the similarities and it became too much to ignore. The same age range, the same type of errands, and slowly what once felt like a series of coincidences started to look more like a pattern. So parents did what anyone would do. They went to police. They asked for help. They filed reports and they begged officers to take their concerns seriously. But instead of launching searches or asking questions, the police just told them not to

Starting point is 00:02:11 worry, that their children had probably just run away. You know, they'd be back soon, just calm down nothing to worry about. But the kids didn't come back and the police still didn't act. Then as more and more children began to disappear in Natari, that fear started growing into frustration. then into anger. These weren't one-off incidents. This was something bigger. And while all of these families were just continuously being ignored, something far more sinister was quietly unfolding just down the road. And when the truth finally came out, it exposed one of the most disturbing criminal cases that India has ever seen. One that would shock the country, it would dominate the headlines for years, and even still to this day, it leaves people with questions.

Starting point is 00:02:59 Because after all of that time, it may not have been as open and shut as it once seemed. New details have since emerged, and now, nearly two decades later, families are asking, did the real killer ever face justice? Or did everybody just have it completely wrong from the very beginning? This is the story of the Noida Natari murders. Hi, True Crime Bestie. It's me, your host, Annie Elise. Thank you for listening today, and we are going to jump right in. Noida and Natari are two neighborhoods just right outside of New Delhi. Now on a map, they sit only a few blocks apart, but in reality, they could not have been more different. Noida was a quiet, clean, upper-class neighborhood. I mean, think gated homes, private security guards, wide roads, manicured lawns, great schools, access to health care, all sorts of other resources too. And Noida, by all means, was a great place to live. It was safe. It was comfortable. But Natari, just down the road, was

Starting point is 00:03:58 nothing like that. It was densely packed. It was dusty. It was made up of small one-room homes, this very narrow, crowded lane. And many of the families in Natari lived paycheck to paycheck. Most people worked low-wage jobs, selling vegetables, cleaning houses, driving rickshaws, picking up whatever work that they could find. Power outages were also pretty common. Clean water wasn't ever guaranteed. And access to health care was always hit or miss, depending on the day. Yet despite their differences, there was constant movement between the two neighborhoods. See, many of the people in Natari worked over in Noida. They would do the cooking, the cleaning, housework for all the wealthier families who lived there, so there was quite a bit of

Starting point is 00:04:40 back and forth and crossover. It also wasn't unusual for their kids to tag along either, just to help out or stop by during the day. And even beyond that, Noida had things that Natari didn't, better shops, more reliable pharmacies, more chances to earn a little extra money. So it was normal to see children and teens from Natari walking into Noida all throughout the day. That back and forth, it just happened constantly. And we're talking about a very densely populated area. I'm talking tens of thousands of people. But when families in Natari started to take a closer look at the growing number of children missing,

Starting point is 00:05:16 they realized something very unsettling. Because each time a child disappeared, their last known. location was almost always the same. They were in Noida. Different days, different kids, but there definitely was a pattern there. Each one had crossed over into that wealthier neighborhood for one reason or another, and then it was just nothing. No calls, no sightings, no returning, just vanished. And this pattern made things even scarier because it made it seem like these weren't just tragic accidents. People started to think that somebody who lived near them, maybe somebody in that wealthier neighborhood, someone they could be walking past every single day, was really

Starting point is 00:05:54 targeting their children. Now, like I said, parents had started going to the police as soon as these disappearances began. When the first few kids went missing, families did exactly what anybody would do. They reported it. They gave names, dates, last known locations. They were asking for help, just searching everywhere. But the police did absolutely nothing. They brushed these families off. They told them, you know, you're just overreacting. Your kids will come back eventually. And in most cases, the police didn't even file a single report. Still, though, the families kept going back to the police. And as more children disappeared and the connection between those cases all started to become clear, they just went back again and again. This time, they would be

Starting point is 00:06:35 pointing out the pattern. They would be explaining how every child had gone missing after entering Noida. It wasn't just one family complaining either. It was many. And they were all saying the exact same thing for over two years straight, saying, our children are missing. Why aren't you doing anything about it? And we are talking about over 10 missing children at this point. With all of these similarities, all of these commonalities, like, why is nothing being done? But even after two years of this, the police didn't listen. They didn't investigate. They didn't organize searches. They didn't send out alerts. They didn't even follow up with more questions. So the families, of course, felt like they were just actively being ignored. Now this also wasn't necessarily surprising for the people

Starting point is 00:07:20 in Natari because it was widely known that the local police force ironically was not exactly law abiding. The officers were known to be very close to wealthy Noida residents and also very wealthy noida business owners. So they're biased against Naitari residents seemed pretty obvious. So naturally, Natari families felt like the reason that the police weren't helping them was basically because they were poor because they weren't a part of that wealthy community. And I mean, you really don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to see it either. The police straight up ignored the concerns of these families. They told them that their children had probably just run away because they were angry after a fight, that it was nothing to overreact to. They even, at times, would blame the parents,

Starting point is 00:08:03 saying that they must have been abusive, that they claimed, you know, the children probably ran away because they were scared of you. And when older girls went missing, police claimed that these girls weren't actually missing at all. Instead, they claimed that these girls had eloped. Even if the girls didn't have a boyfriend at the time, the police would just make up these stories saying, no, no, no, the girls left home willingly, they probably went with a boyfriend, they probably just ran off to go get married. They would tell the parents, you know, don't worry, the kids would come back on their own. It's nothing to fear, nothing to overreact to. I mean, what? But these parents knew that this wasn't true. They knew their kids. They knew their routines. And they knew what was and was

Starting point is 00:08:43 not normal. So they continued to beg the police for help, but the police still refused to act. And as more and more children continued to disappear, the families just finally ultimately gave up thinking that the police would ever be helpful. So they decided that they needed to act for themselves. They walked the neighborhood on foot, retracing their children's last known steps. They checked alleyways, side roads, empty lots, anywhere that a child could have wandered to. They knocked on doors, they talked to anybody who might have seen something, I mean, neighbors, shopkeepers, street vendors, schoolmates, you name it. And some families even went so far as to travel to other nearby neighborhoods and train stations,

Starting point is 00:09:23 thinking, you know, maybe their child had gotten lost or accidentally ended up somewhere unfamiliar. But every search always ended up the same. Zero answers and zero direction of where to look next. So the longer that this went on, the more hopeless these families began to feel. by 2006, over 20 children had gone missing. And despite all of the efforts of these families, nothing changed. No one had been found, no suspects had been named, no leads were publicly shared, and essentially, there was no investigation into any of these disappearances. Now, among those 20 children missing, two were young girls, a 10-year-old girl named Joti

Starting point is 00:10:03 and a 9-year-old girl named Rachna. Now, in April 2006, Rachna had gone out to go visit her grandparents. Then she was going to go run a few errands for her parents in Noida. It was something that she did very frequently, and she always returned home before it got too dark, but hours passed and she never returned. So her parents filed a police report, but they never received any help. Now, Joti had also been Innoida when she was last seen. So the families of these two girls knew each other. And when neither of them received help from the police, they started to help one another, because they really could only turn to each other. They searched, they searched, and Rachna's father went all around Noida asking if anybody had seen his daughter on the day that she went missing.

Starting point is 00:10:46 He started right near a tailor shop, which was one of the places that Rachna was visiting the day that she disappeared, and right across that tailor shop was a very large house, and it had two men just standing outside talking to one another. So Rachna's father approached these two men, asked if either one of them had seen his daughter, but both men said no, and then they quickly shuffled inside. And something about the way that they responded just felt. very off to Rajna's dad. It was almost like they seemingly were running away from the conversation, like they wanted nothing to do with her father, that they couldn't get away from this conversation quick enough. And that moment really stuck with him. And over the next few days, as he continued to search, his attention just kept circling back to that house that those two men were standing out

Starting point is 00:11:31 front of. And by talking with Jotie's family, he discovered that Jotie had also passed that exact same house on the day that she disappeared. So this, of course, only fueled his suspicion. So both Jotie and Roshna's fathers went to the police with this information, hoping, you know, having this story of these suspicious men, the coincidence of them both passing this same house, that all of that would make the police take their concerns seriously for once, right? A lead evidenced something. At least go question them. But once again, the police brushed them off, and they did nothing. So then the fathers reached out to somebody else that they hoped. hoped could help them. A man named S.C. Mishra. Mishra had previously served as the head of their

Starting point is 00:12:13 local neighborhood welfare association, a group that worked for the rights of the people in Natari. The association helped organize basic services or even advocate for neighborhood needs. So because of this, Mishra knew a lot of people in the community. He also had dealt with a lot of local officials before, too. So it seemed like he understood how things worked and might actually be able to help. But unfortunately, even he couldn't convince the police to take action. But what Mishra did have was access to something else. Local gossip. And recently, he had heard something that made his stomach turn. He had heard rumors that body parts had been seen floating in the open drains of Noida, specifically near that home that was right across from the tailor shop. That same house that

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Starting point is 00:16:52 across India. He was also married and had a teenage son, yet for whatever reason his wife and his son did not live with him. So he spent a good amount of time at his place in Noida. Now I'm about to play a 35 second clip about him, which this clip also shows some photos of him, you know, where he went to school, his son, some moments throughout his life. So as a reminder, if you're listening to the audio version of this, you can definitely go over to the YouTube version of this later on and check out the visuals if you're interested. Born in August, 1957, Pandé, Goldie to Friends, studied at Simla's elite bishop cotton and was a history graduate from Delhi since Stevens College. Pandeyer inherited a successful transport business spread across Delhi, Punjab and Himachal Pradesh.

Starting point is 00:17:40 He married Davinder Kor and then had a son, Karan Deep, who went on to study in Canada. The Pandeyers bought a double-storey bungalow in Noyra Sector 31 in March 2004. Moninder Singh Pandeyer spent most of his time there while his wife stayed back in Jadigar. Now, Moninder also had a domestic worker, otherwise here in the States known as, you know, a housekeeper or a house manager. And this was a man in his 30s named Surrender Koli. Surrender was married, had two children, managed all of the household chores, and he handled maintenance, looked after the house whenever Moninder was away. And he was just kind of like the house manager of sorts. he was the eyes and ears of everything and just managed all of the chores.

Starting point is 00:18:25 He was hired in early 2004, and he wasn't a very talkative person, but he was regularly seen outside of the house, just sweeping the sidewalks, taking out the trash, and, you know, running errands. So to most people, the two men were unassuming. They were quiet. They were familiar to the neighborhood, but overall pretty ordinary. However, these were also the two men that Rojna's father had talked to that day out front of the house, the ones that he said gave him a weird vibe, that he felt like they were trying to get away

Starting point is 00:18:53 from the conversation as quickly as possible. Now, as far-fetched as it sounded, the rumor that somebody had actually seen body parts outside of Moninder's home, it really was more than anything else that the families had to go on. That was the only real lead that they had. And at that point, they were willing to follow up on just about anything. So on the morning of December 29th, 2006, The two fathers and S.C. Mishra decided that they were going to go check out that area for themselves. Do their own little investigation. Now, in this part of Noida, the storm drains aren't like what you might be picturing. They weren't like the typical underground covered sewer systems like we have in the U.S. Kind of, you know, from that movie, It with the clown, how it's like that storm drain and everything's below.

Starting point is 00:19:36 That's not how it is. Instead, these drains are very long. They are like open trenches that run alongside the roads. They collect runoff, trash, food waste, and in many places, they hadn't been cleaned in months. So when the group reached the section of drain that was right outside of Moninder's house, the smell, the odor, it hit them almost immediately. The water was barely moving. There was garbage everywhere. And while there was, yes, a huge amount of trash, the odor was still very off. Something didn't quite smell like this was just your typical garbage, even like New York City. where it's hot garbage in the street, something was stronger here. So the three men started searching right away. They leaned over the edge of this drain, scanning the surface, kind of looking for

Starting point is 00:20:22 anything unusual, and after about 30 minutes, they found something. One of the fathers spotted a severed hand floating in the water. It was also partially decomposed, and it was tangled inside all of that garbage that had been collected on top of the drain. And this hand, it was very small in size. It looked like the size of a hand that belonged to a child. So this was a horrifying discovery. They stopped searching and immediately called the police, hoping that now, finally, this, it would be enough for them to take things seriously. And sure enough, a short time later, officers arrived. The same officers that these families had been begging for help from for years. But by the time the police got there, residents from both Noida and Natari had all gathered around the drain and they

Starting point is 00:21:10 were all digging through the trash collectively. And while they were doing that, they found more body parts, hands, arms, skulls, bone fragments, even pieces of clothing. Which it all seems crazy, right? Because given how many children had gone missing, nobody had noticed any of this stuff before. Which, I will get into that in just a moment. Don't worry. So the police roped off the area and then they took over the search. Yet that, of course, didn't stop people from surrounding the area, watching, trying to see what else the police would uncover. The search went on for the next few days. And as time went on, the surrounding crowd just grew angrier and angrier. Most of the crowd consisted of residents from Natari, people who knew that for the past few years, they had been

Starting point is 00:21:53 telling the police about all of these missing children, constantly begging for help, asking for an investigation, telling them something was wrong and it's just was being completely ignored. So as they were witnessing the police just pulling out more and more body parts out of this drain, they just grew even more furious, wondering if all of this could have been prevented. People even started verbally harassing the investigators, even throwing stones at them. Many of them also brought photos of their children or descriptions of the clothing that they were last seen in, trying to see if these bodies that were being found matched their children. Which can you imagine that for a moment?

Starting point is 00:22:30 witnessing for days on end, this drain, this open garbage collected drain just being sifted through and finding body parts and clothing and just standing there as a parent wondering where you're missing child is, praying for answers, but also praying that they don't pull out your child's shirt or your child's head or your child's little arm. It has to be a true living nightmare. I cannot even imagine what goes through somebody's mind during those moments. Now, because they were all just so combative and so angry and so furious, it got bad enough that the police had to come and try and contain all of them. But this, of course, just made the onlookers even angrier, so much so that fights started breaking out. Eventually, though, the police were able to contain the crowd and they were

Starting point is 00:23:18 able to successfully block off the area, and they continued their investigation, continued sifting through this strain. Now, all of the body parts that were recovered, were from the drain directly in front of Moninder's home. And that naturally put a lot of attention on him and also the person who worked there full-time with him, his domestic worker slash house manager, Surrender. And as soon as the public learned where these remains had been found, rumors started building around these two men. Some said that Surrender had always been a little bit strange. He kept to himself, didn't really interact with neighbors much, but they said that when he did interact, it was usually with kids. People said that the few times that they did see him talk, he was trying to give children candy as they walked past the home.

Starting point is 00:24:03 Now, at the time, people didn't really think much of it. Maybe he was just being friendly. It didn't really seem that unusual. But hindsight is always 2020. And now, with body parts being pulled out of the drain, just steps away from where he stood every single day, it didn't seem so harmless anymore. It seemed disturbing. And, of course, people were also re-examining the image they had of Moninder at this. point. Like I mentioned earlier, he was a wealthy, very successful businessman. He came from a good

Starting point is 00:24:31 family. He led this life of true luxury. He owned multiple homes and was always in and out of Noida often. And neighbors initially thought of him as quiet, polite. He wasn't particularly social, but when he did interact with people in the neighborhood, he always gave off this kind of grandfatherly type of vibe. But now, after the discovery of the drain, rumors of a darker side to him started swirling throughout the city. Some locals said that he had another side to him that wasn't so innocent. He was rumored to hire sex workers regularly.

Starting point is 00:25:04 He was described as a womanizer. And later on, the police even came out with a statement saying that it was their investigation into a missing sex worker that led them to the discovery of the body parts in that drain. Which I kind of find that interesting considering it was these other men who went on their own like vigilante kind of search

Starting point is 00:25:23 doing their own investigation, but now they were trying to take credit for it, saying that it was their investigation that led them there. But I digress, just again, trying to give some context as to his background and who he may have been. And let's talk about that investigation and that alleged sex worker. In May of 2006, a young woman named Payal had gone missing. She was in her 20s, and she often spent time in the Noida neighborhood just looking for work. And on May 7th, Payal's brother had told her about a potential job opportunity, one at Moninder's home. So that morning, Payal left to go meet somebody about the job. But the thing was, she never came back. And even though Payal was technically an adult, she lived at home. So it was

Starting point is 00:26:06 very unusual for her to not come home at night. So her family, of course, immediately became concerned. They tried calling Moninder, but it took a while to even get in contact with him. And when they finally did, he said he wasn't in town, that he hadn't even been in town. He had no idea what they were even talking about. Yet he did tell Payal's father that he would talk to surrender. He would check with him and see if he knew anything about it. He even said to call him back the next day that he would loop him in and give him any information that he learned. But then when Payal's father called him back the following day, Moninder's phone had been turned off, and nobody could ever get in contact with him after that. So Payal's family went to the police, like so many of

Starting point is 00:26:45 these families did. And at first, they didn't launch any type of formal investigation. Just like they had done with the other families, they just told Payal's family that she had probably run off with a boy. And they really doubled down on this. They claimed that they knew, for a fact, that Payal ran off to Mumbai, got married, and was now happily living a new life, all voluntarily. One officer reportedly even went so far as to spread rumors all throughout the town that Payal was fine, that she had no interest in returning. Yet Payal's father refused to accept that. He kept pressuring the police, even showing up at a senior officer's home and causing a huge scene, just trying to do anything to get attention, desperate, and eventually his persistence paid off.

Starting point is 00:27:30 In June of 2006, the police finally agreed to file a formal missing person's report. I mean, they didn't investigate any further still, but at least now, there was something on record, there was something documented, but still, that wasn't enough for Payal's family and her father. So he took his fight to court, and he ended up getting a judge to order the police to investigate. Yet even then, they still pushed back, accusing him of making all of this up just as a means to get money. So then Payal's father continued to search on his own. He went to Noida nearly every single day, and then finally he did meet someone who would give him some answers. A rickshaw driver came forward and said he saw Payal on May 7, the day that she disappeared.

Starting point is 00:28:14 Now for those of you who are unfamiliar with the term rickshaw, it's similar to what we may in New York call like a petty cab or like a three-wheel cart where you can transport either goods or people and somebody's moving the cart either by a bicycle or on their own feet, just kind of something like that. So he said that he saw her entering Moninder's home, but that he never saw her leave. He even gave an exact description of the clothing that she was last seen in. And when her father showed the rickshaw driver a picture of payall, he confirmed, that was the girl that he had seen. It wasn't until October of 2006, five months after Payall went missing, that the police really finally started looking into her case. Her phone had been missing this whole time as well, and the police ended up discovering that her SIM card had been deactivated. Now, even though the SIM card had been deactivated, they were able to track down the device itself.

Starting point is 00:29:07 And interestingly enough, the person who they saw now using this phone claimed that somebody from Moninder's house had sold that device to him. So according to the police, that discovery was the turning point. They said that this connection to Monander's home is what led them to begin searching that surrounding area, including that drain out front where all of those body parts and remains were eventually found. So just to give a little bit of context, people were really, really angry with the police for their lack of action over all of these missing children. Yet the police, possibly feeling that they needed to protect their image and their careers, just came back and combated that with like, no, we haven't been ignoring anybody's concerns. We have been looking

Starting point is 00:29:47 into some of these missing children. There just wasn't enough evidence to ever suggest that something bad happened to them. So because of that, we didn't investigate any further. The police even went so far as saying that the version of events that are being told by these families, you know, them going on their own, searching these drains, discovering the remains for themselves, that that wasn't true. They insisted that it was their own work that brought them to the scene. And they just kind of brushed off the community's versions of events as exaggerated, emotional, and driven and fueled by public anger. So after this discovery was made, Moninder and Surrender were both brought in for questioning. This was on December 26th and 27th of 2006. And as they were taken away for questioning from

Starting point is 00:30:30 Monander's home, the crowd outside just attacked them. Meanwhile, the police extended their search. And in doing that, they then discovered even more human remains. And these remains had been tucked away inside plastic bags and then placed on the property itself. Fall always feels like a total reset. Between back-to-school chaos, busier routines, shorter days now with daylight savings, the holidays approach. I mean, finding time to cook can be extremely difficult. But that is why I love Factor. Their chef-prepped dietitian-approved meals make it so easy to stay on track and still enjoy something that's comforting and delicious, no matter how hectic the season gets. And Factor gives you more variety and more meals with a wider selection of weekly

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Starting point is 00:32:51 dust trash dirt broken things things spilled over just looks almost like what would you not like a crash house what would you call it like an abandoned house where people who want to go use drugs or hide out or meet up for sex work oh it looked not like a true intact house. Now, some of the human remains that were found inside the house were hidden inside a bathroom. Others were tucked away in corners or other storage areas, but it became increasingly clear that some of these missing children and the young women who went missing had been killed inside this house. And whoever did it had tried to conceal the evidence. So that was enough for the police to arrest both Moninder and surrender on December 29th.

Starting point is 00:33:32 They were accused of abducting, murdering, and then mutilating all sorts of young women and children. Things were pretty quiet for a while after the arrests. Moninder and Surrender were both still in custody. The house was blocked off. Police weren't really saying much. They kept searching the area, especially that drain and the property itself, but there were no immediate updates that were released to the public. So things kind of fell into a bit of a waiting game. Yet, behind the scenes, the investigation was still moving.

Starting point is 00:34:01 Police continued searching well into January of 2007, and in total, a total of 19 skulls were recovered. Sixteen were intact while three of them had been damaged. Forensic examiners had determined that all of these bodies had been dismembered. Most of them cut into three distinct pieces before then being discarded. I mean, vile, subhuman behavior, who the heck does this, period, but let alone to this many people? it is just so vile and disgusting. So the remains were sent off for DNA testing and the results showed that 11 of the victims were female

Starting point is 00:34:40 and the majority of them were children under the age of 10 years old. The tests also said that all of the victims had likely been killed within the previous two years. Still though, most of the details were kept from the public eye, but this of course only caused rumors to spread and these rumors spread very fast. Most people, of course, believed that Moninder and Surrender were involved, but not everybody thought that the explanation was as simple as these two men acting alone. And one of the theories that gained a lot of traction in the neighborhood was that the case might involve illegal organ trading.

Starting point is 00:35:16 And part of the reason that people latched on to this idea was because of a man who lived right next door to the house. It was a doctor who had also been investigated just a few years earlier for involvement in an organ trade scheme. The details surrounding what really happened are a bit murky, but he worked at a local hospital, and he said that during his time there, there was a case involving a missing kidney. At the time, he was suspected of removing and attempting to sell that kidney, but eventually he was cleared and he was found innocent. There was also a very small pathway that connected this doctor's property to the drain right in front of Moninder's home, a direct and somewhat easy-to-miss shortcut between the two places. So then people started speculating that maybe the doctor had been the

Starting point is 00:36:01 one lowering people into his home, removing their organs, disposing of their bodies nearby, and that maybe Moninder and Surrender had been helping him do this. Adding to these suspicions was the fact that many of the bodies that had been found dismembered had been dismembered with very careful surgical precision. Many had a cut right between the same two vertebrae, suggesting that the person who did it might have had some medical experience, or at least a pretty deep understanding of human anatomy. Still, though, there was no concrete evidence that tied the doctor to any of these murders. Yet, people talk, and this rumor stuck. And it picked up enough traction that the police felt like they needed to look into it further. So they investigated the possible connection, but it was ruled out

Starting point is 00:36:48 pretty quickly. They found no evidence to connect the doctor to any of these missing bodies. But still, I will say, it was good that they investigated it. I mean, it sucks that the community seemingly has to force the police to investigate all of these leads, but at least they did look into it. So by January, the case had completely blown up. I mean, the number of bodies found, the number of missing kids, the years of inaction. People were furious, and now they wanted somebody held accountable. So pretty quickly, five police officers were immediately taken off the job. They were accused of mishandling early missing persons reports, and they were,

Starting point is 00:37:22 suspended. Then two more officers were suspended for ignoring multiple warnings about the disappearances. One of them was a high-ranking investigator, too. And when officials searched his home, they even found files on the missing children that he had never even looked into. So by this point, public trust into the local police was basically gone, evaporated, disintegrated. So in January of 2007, the case was officially handed over to India's Central Bureau of Investigation, otherwise known as CBI, which is basically their version of the FBI. And once the CBI stepped in, things moved a lot faster. They searched Monander's home all over again, and they found even more remains, more evidence, and a bunch of personal items. I'm talking liquor bottles, mobile phones, photo albums, a double-barreled

Starting point is 00:38:11 shotgun, even some used cartridges. But the most disturbing thing that they found was a blood-stained grill. And don't worry, we will get into that in just a second. Now another item in particular that sparked a whole new wave of speculation was a computer. And this computer had been hooked up to a webcam. So as you can imagine, this immediately raised a ton of questions. Were they recording something? Were they live streaming something? Was there video evidence? Were they filming the victims? Then it came out that while looking into the computer, Moninder's computer, the police found photos of naked children. So just like that, even more rumors took off

Starting point is 00:38:52 because now some people were convinced that this case most certainly was linked to CSAM material, which is explicit child material that is often found on adult sites. Others thought that there might be a sex trafficking ring involved. Yet, I will say, that theory was shut down pretty quickly. Later on, the investigators confirmed that the children in these photos were actually

Starting point is 00:39:13 Moninder's grandchildren, and ultimately those images were ruled non-sexual, which personally, I have a problem with. I didn't see the images myself, but why he had naked photos of his grandchildren, I don't know, but it was ruled as non-sexual. Now, despite the mounting physical evidence, investigators could not get moninder or surrender to talk, to confess, to say anything, or explain what actually had happened inside that house of horrors. So the police turned to a pretty controversial technique, a narco-analysis test, and it's often called a truth serum test. Basically, it's a drug that lowers your inhibitions

Starting point is 00:39:51 and makes you speak more freely, which it's a pretty controversial technique, as I mentioned, a little bit of a bizarre method, but if it works, it works. Hey, I up until a few years ago, always thought that truth serum was like something from the movies that it wasn't real. It turns out it is real.

Starting point is 00:40:07 It's this chemical that just like it says, it makes you lower your inhibitions and just kind of start talking, just letting it all out. Now, of course, this is a very controversial method, but also, similar to polygraphs, it's not admissible. And that's why there's so much controversy around it. If it was guaranteed and admissible, I think that everybody would be using this in every single case and things would get solved a lot faster. But the truth is that even if this quote-unquote truth serum works, if either of these men confessed, that confession could not be used as direct evidence in court.

Starting point is 00:40:41 It was legally inadmissible. Still, though, at that point, the police, least were desperate to find out what really happened inside that house. So, they used it. And apparently, it worked. Surrender confessed to killing multiple children and multiple young women over the period of about two years. He said that he often lured his victims into the house himself, and for children, he would use that candy to get their attention. For older girls and for young women, he would promise them small jobs in return for coming inside the house. Then, after he lured them inside, he would strangle them. After that, he would dismember their bodies, sometimes immediately, but sometimes hours later. And he said that he cut the bodies into pieces because he thought that

Starting point is 00:41:26 the bodies would be easier to dispose of if it was cut into small pieces. That way he could avoid suspicion even longer. People wouldn't be on his tail. He said that at first he kept the remains inside the house, wrapped in multiple plastic bags. But then, when the smell became too strong, the odor was too pungent, he would toss these remains into the drain in front of the house, one piece at a time. He made sure never to dump them all at once, though, and he went into great detail describing how he dumped the body parts little by little, just covering them in garbage to keep the odor down. And the more that Surrender spoke, the darker things got, because he then revealed that before dismembering some of the bodies, he would sexually assault their corpse.

Starting point is 00:42:10 He admitted to keeping some of these corpses for hours, even days after they died, just using them as his own toy for his own perversions. It's sick. And in a few cases, he even claimed to have cooked and eaten parts of the victims, including the breast of one of the women, the liver of a child, and the arm of another child. It is so sick. And that explains the bloody grill, right? He literally was cooking them, barbecuing them, and consuming them. It's just absolutely appalling. Now, during all of this, he also tried to defend his actions, saying he was experiencing mental problems due to sexual dysfunction and issues that he had been having in his marriage. In his mind, he thought that cannibalizing his victims would cure his issue. He also claimed that he was deeply affected by Moninder's lifestyle because he claimed that Moninder was a sex addict, that he had this constant stream of sex workers going in and out of the house. According to Surrender, if Moninder was at the house alone, without his wife or his son, he would hire one or two sex workers a night,

Starting point is 00:43:17 and that Surrender was the one who would have to cook meals for these people, cater to these people, clean up after them. And he claimed that initially he was really uncomfortable with all of this. But then, over time, he got used to it, and he even became jealous that these sex workers weren't for him. He said that he grew angry, confused, and then eventually sexually frustrated. He then described this mental fog that he would fall into, where he didn't really know what he was doing, how he couldn't control his actions. His violent urges would just build up until he couldn't hold back anymore. So that is when, according to him, he says, he would kidnap people. And that once he acted on his urges, it would take him hours to calm back down, almost like it was this peak adrenaline rush and then he had to just like re-center his body.

Starting point is 00:44:06 He said that he would eventually, quote, come back to. himself, realize what he had done, feel terrible, and then just put all of his focus on cleaning up the scene and hiding the evidence. And he described each instance like it was as if he was being controlled by someone else. He claimed he felt like he was possessed. He even gave specific details about several of the victims, including Payall, the 20-year-old who went missing in May of 2006. He said he lured her into the house by offering her work. Then he followed that same pattern that he did with all of his other victims, and he strangled her, dismembered her, and then disposed of her. He also admitted to killing Rochna, the little girl who went missing in April of 2006.

Starting point is 00:44:50 Her skull was later recovered inside the house, along with her clothing, which was later identified by her parents. Now I want to give a little bit of a warning here, but Surrender claimed that his youngest victim was just three years old, and that in all of the instances, he was the one who killed the victims, that he acted completely alone. And in fact, in at least one of the cases, cell phone records did confirm that Moninder was out of town at the time of the murder. But then, Surrender's story started changing over time. He started saying that after he killed the victims, Moninder was the one who sexually assaulted the bodies. Then he claimed that he only killed the children because Moninder forced him to do so. Then, ultimately, he took back his entire confession,

Starting point is 00:45:34 saying that it wasn't true and that it had been violently coerced out of him. Now, while most of the focus at that point was on surrender and his very graphic confession and accounts of what took place in that house, attention quickly started shifting back to Moninder. I mean, he did own the home after all, and even if he wasn't there all the time, how could surrender have gotten away with all of this and kept it a secret? Surely, Moninder would have seen these things inside his own home,

Starting point is 00:46:02 but from the very beginning, Moninder denied any. involvement in the murders. He told the police that he had no idea what Surrender had been doing inside the house. He insisted he never saw and never heard anything that would have raised suspicion. But then, his story changed too, during his own truth serum confession test. Because then, Moninder reportedly admitted that he is the one who told Surrender to, quote, get rid of pay all. Apparently, Moninder had hired her in the past. He claimed that she was blackmail, him after he tried to hire her for sex work and that because of that he just wanted her gone. He needed her gone. He also admitted to being a regular client of sex workers saying that he was

Starting point is 00:46:45 depressed, that he needed this urge satisfied. He said he felt disconnected from his family. He started drinking too much and then relied on surrender to handle everything in the Noida house, that he just trusted him completely. But even with this confession, it was unclear how deep his involvement went. On one hand, there was evidence that indicated that he was never present in the home when the killings happened. His phone records showed that he was often traveling out of town away on business at the same time that these children went missing. Sometimes he was even hundreds of miles away. But again, it was his house. Remains were found inside the house and some of the remains had clearly been there for a while. The smell was overwhelming. The evidence also wasn't exactly super

Starting point is 00:47:29 hidden. So even if he wasn't physically present for the murders, people felt he still had to know something. Let's be real. Women deal with a lot when it comes to personal health, vaginal health, everything that goes along with being a woman, from tight clothing, working out, hormones, and just everyday life. And it's easy for things to get off balance. But that's where O-positive's Eurovaginal probiotic comes into play. O-positive is a woman's health company that makes real effective supplements that's backed by clinical research and shaped by board-certified doctors, all designed to support women at every stage of life. Euro is specifically formulated to support vaginal health by helping to balance a healthy pH, support healthy flora, just maintain all of the

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Starting point is 00:49:20 and the media ran with the story, too. Headlines started calling his house the house of horrors, and he quickly became the face of this entire case. Now, part of this probably had to do with the difference between the two men, because surrender came from poverty, like most of the victim's families. Moninder, on the other hand, was rich, he was educated, he was connected, he lived this life of luxury. So for a lot of people, it felt like yet again another example of a powerful man getting away with everything while somebody else took the fall. Meanwhile, Moninder's family had a very different take.

Starting point is 00:49:55 His son publicly defended him, calling the accusations against his father a smear campaign. He described his father as a kind, generous man who had taken care of relatives, loved ones, that he loved his family deeply, that he couldn't possibly be capable of such heinous crimes. He also denied the reports that his parents' marriage was strained. He said he and his mother lived in a different city the majority of the time, yes, but they visited the Noida house regularly. And he said, quote, if something fishy had been going on, we would have noticed. An innocent man should die, then fine. If that's what gives everyone pleasure,

Starting point is 00:50:31 an innocent man being hanged to death, so be it. But the public was not convinced. The victim's families still believed that Moninder had played a major role in this. Maybe Surrender had yes been the one who committed all these murders, but they believed that Moninder was the mastermind behind all of it. And then another name came up in connection with the house. A maid who had worked there for many, many years named Maya. Now, at first, she didn't seem central to the investigation. She cooked, cleaned, and worked in the house alongside Surrender. But then people started wondering, okay, well, how could she have worked in that house for so long and not noticed anything? She was in the house every day after all. But when the police eventually

Starting point is 00:51:13 interviewed her, she said she saw nothing, heard nothing, no blood, no screams, no strange smells nothing unusual, but the investigators were not convinced. So they kept bringing Maya in for questioning. And sure enough, her story kept changing. At one point, she claimed she knew nothing, right? Heard nothing, saw something, had no indication that anything strange was going on. But then later, she said that Surrender had asked her to help lure women and children inside the house. She insisted that she had absolutely no idea why he asked her to do it, but she did it because she was just following his orders. So in an effort to figure out what the truth was, what wasn't the truth, Maya underwent a lie detector test. However, the results were inconclusive. It didn't clear

Starting point is 00:52:01 her name, but it also didn't directly implicate her either. She stuck to her claim that she had never seen anything suspicious. Police weren't really sure what to believe. On one hand, she really may not have known what was going on. She was only at the house for certain times throughout the day, but on the other hand, the house wasn't that big. And again, remains were found everywhere. But because the police couldn't determine whether Maya was involved or not, she was let go, and she was never charged with anything. In May of 2007, several months after the initial arrests, Moninder was officially charged with the murder of Payal. He was charged with conspiracy to murder, destruction of evidence, and harboring the accused. In total, there were 19,

Starting point is 00:52:45 known victims, and Surrender was charged with 16 of those murders. Moninder, on the other hand, was charged in six of them. But eventually, in every case except payalls, he ended up being cleared. Surrender was listed as the sole accused. Between 2007 and 2011, case after case went to trial. The courts treated each murder as a separate trial, too, leading to multiple trials for both Surrender and Moninder. The first big conviction came in early 2009 when both men were found guilty of the rape and murder of a 14-year-old girl. Originally, the CBI had determined that Moninder had no direct involvement in the case, but then after further investigation, they believed that he was involved. So each man received a death sentence. By 2011, Surrender had been convicted in five

Starting point is 00:53:37 more trials, and in each trial, he was found guilty of murder. And every single time, he was sentenced to death. And the convictions were all upheld by India's Supreme Court. Both men filed appeals, specifically mercy petitions. These were formal requests made to the President of India, asking him to reduce their sentence, or at the very least, take away the death penalty convictions. And then, in 2014, the tide started to shift. That summer, a high court granted Moninder bail. They agreed to review his case as well, and they determined that all of the evidence against him was circumstantial and that it was ultimately inadmissible. So with that, his convictions were dropped. He still had to remain in jail due to pending

Starting point is 00:54:24 charges, but now things were changing. And around that same time, a date was set for Surrender's execution. He was scheduled to death by hanging in September of 2014. But just days before that was supposed to happen, a last-minute petition halted it. Our other focus is Friday, death row convict Surindar Koli, who was found guilty in the Netari case, literally got a new lease of life after the Supreme Court on Monday, decided to stay his execution, allowing him to make a fresh appeal. Additional Solicitor General Jay Singh argued that Koli had not been given a fair hearing before the Apex Court dismissed his review plea on the 24th of July in the Rimpahalda,

Starting point is 00:55:07 rape and murder case. She argued that Coley must get the benefit of the court's September to order and that condemn prisoners must be allowed an opportunity to argue in an open court to their lawyer and be given one last chance to plead for leniency. This after local court issued the death warrant following the rejection of Coley's review plea by the Supreme Court, he was to be hanged any time between the 7th of September and the 15th of September. The following year, the Supreme Court agreed to review Surrender's case one more time, and in 2015, his sentence was reduced to life in prison.

Starting point is 00:55:45 Then, in 2017, both men were again convicted in another murder case, and both of them again were sentenced to death. New verdicts were issued in 2022, nearly 20 years after the murders first began. However, just a year later, things once again took a very sharp and unexpected turn. The High Court revisited all of the cases, and high courts are kind of like the highest court at the state level, and they stated that the prosecution failed to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. So of the 16 cases that Surrender had been charged in, he was acquitted of 15 of them. There was no DNA evidence.

Starting point is 00:56:25 His confession with the truth serum couldn't be used as evidence, and nothing could definitively prove that he was involved in these murders. Moninder, who had once faced six separate charges, was also cleared. The court said that there was no solid proof that he had ever even been present when the murders occurred. So he was released from prison, and he's no longer facing any charges. He is a free man. Surrender, though, is still behind bars, because he is currently serving a life sentence for that one single conviction that stuck, one that has not been overturned. The details of that final case have not been made public, but it is one of the original 16, and he is still trying to appeal it. Now, even though the court closed the book on most of these cases, obviously, it didn't

Starting point is 00:57:11 feel over for a lot of the people, especially those involved. So when the announcement of the acquittals came in 2023, the public's reaction was all over the place. Most people were stunned, and obviously, of course, furious. They felt like any justice that had been served was completely now undone. And after everything that had come out, all of the trials, the media coverage, how could both men just walk away with almost every single thing overturned? Other people, though, weren't really sure what to think. They pointed out that there was weak evidence, there was unreliable confessions, there was a total lack of DNA evidence, and they argued that if the case couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, that maybe the court had no choice but to acquit them. How did the

Starting point is 00:57:56 prosecution fail. I mean, in this case, it was said that they have a waterproof case. The CBI investigated this case. There were remains found. There were confessional statements, you know, and sensational details that had come out at that point of time. What went wrong? Absolutely, Ankit, that is indeed the big question because, as you said, there were confessional statements. In fact, Koli had confessed to, you know, horrific details like, you know, having sexual intercourse with the dead victims and also eating their body parts. There were allegations of cannibalism that were actually

Starting point is 00:58:29 confessed to or admitted to by Coley, the domestic staff here. In fact, a lot of locals also tell us that this was one house which was extremely dubious since the beginning. Nevertheless, there was also a narco analysis conducted at the time. There was a polygraph test that was done as well

Starting point is 00:58:45 and it's been over 17 years the case was taken over by the CBI. There were multiple charge sheets filed. Not one but multiple charge sheets filed. And In fact, Koli was also found guilty of rape. So, you know, even after that, even after such a long multi-agency investigation, the big question is, why was it not a watertight case that could stand the test of law? Because, of course, when we speak to experts and lawyers who have been involved in this

Starting point is 00:59:12 particular case, they say that while confessional statements cannot stand the test of flaw, there's a lot of evidence, in fact, a lot of those remains were sent for forensic examination as well. So even after that, the Alabad High Court today citing lack of evidence to, in a sense, vindicate them is something that's raised many questions. So far, the police have, the prosecution have not really come out with any strong statement, but these larger questions on investigation remain. Now, in Natari, the neighborhood where it all began, people were furious. They were heartbroken. They were confused. They were just devastated. because to them, these cases felt cut and dry.

Starting point is 00:59:52 They thought that their questions had finally been answered, but now new questions were surfacing all over again. As you saw, it's extremely difficult for these parents to actually even come to terms with the fact that the alleged killers of their children, they are set to walk free. Of course, one step closer, at least to walking free. And let me also show you that very house here in Natari, where the bodies with human rights, remains were actually recovered from. This is where, this is Manendar Singh Pandey's house here in Natari

Starting point is 01:00:24 of course 30, just 30 kilometres away from the capital and just beyond this was the brain from where, you know, body after body was recovered. In fact, skeleton after skeleton was recovered. This house is completely deserted right now. What locals tell us is that nobody has actually come to stay here after and there was, you know, arrested almost 16 years ago. And the locals say that, you know, that moment when those skeletons were recovered,

Starting point is 01:00:53 that moment is something that cannot be forgotten here in Natari. It's a small village and everybody is in a sense connected to that horrific memory of, you know, over 20 children and women being, their remains being recovered. And parents are just two families left of the victims. And they, you know, they're in shock. They can't come to terms with the fact that they've been acquitted. And they also say important. that they have nowhere to go because they can't afford a lawyer. They went to the Supreme Court earlier. All of them had come together and, you know, they'd gotten a lawyer.

Starting point is 01:01:27 But now they say that they have no hopes left and justice has been denied to them. For one, it had been discovered that over 38 children in total were reported missing from Natari. And all of these were around the time that these crimes were happening. However, only 19 bodies were ever recovered. So what about the rest? And even with all of the bodies that were found, some details never sat right. For example, some of the skeletal remains didn't seem decomposed enough for how long some of those kids had been missing. And again, the incisions on some of the bodies, they were so exact and they were

Starting point is 01:02:03 done with surgical precision. It didn't seem likely that this was something either man in the house could have done and could have gotten away with. So it led many people to believe that this wasn't just the result of one or two very disturbed individuals, but that maybe something larger was going on. Maybe there was a group of individuals that had been working together this entire time. Many still believed that these deaths were also the result of an illegal organ trafficking scheme, and they feel like that theory was never properly investigated. Others believed that Moninder had played a bigger role in all of this,

Starting point is 01:02:37 but that his money and his influence helped him quietly just kind of like buy his way out of everything, by his freedom, so to speak. They thought that the truth was probably just swept under the rug because it would have made way too many powerful people look bad. And the families? They were beyond distraught. They were given a small amount of compensation from the government. However, not everyone took it.

Starting point is 01:02:59 They said that what they wanted wasn't money. They wanted answers. They wanted homes, job support, and education for their other surviving children. They wanted somebody to be held responsible too, and in their eyes, nobody had been. It involved the discovery of multiple human remains in and around Mohindar Singh Pandey's residence in Noida, Uttar Pradesh. In 2006, the grisly details of the case sent shockwakes across the country that led to the arrest and then subsequent conviction of Koli and Pandeyr.

Starting point is 01:03:29 The serial killings took place at Mohandah Singh Pandey's home in Nithari in Noida between 2005 and 2006. Suryndra Koli worked as a help at Pandhya's residence. Now, in case that horrified India, Sunder Koli was found guilty. of rape and murder of several children. In fact, as many as 19 children, 10 girls and nine boys were apparently killed as far as these killings are concerned. The duo were also convicted for rape and murder of 20-year-old woman. The case came to light after neighbors found body parts of missing children from a dream

Starting point is 01:04:06 near Pandey's residence. Investigation, ladies or gentlemen, which went on for a long time. And of course, the lower court had sentenced Koli for death penalty. Now, remember, now, after the acquittal of Koli and Pandhid, the big question at least, the family members of these kids are asking, is there nobody then who killed their children? So here we are now, nearly two decades after the first child went missing. And this case still doesn't feel settled.

Starting point is 01:04:40 One man is free. One is, yes, still behind. bars, but only for a single conviction, one that he is currently appealing, which, if we go on track record, maybe that will be a successful appeal. And for all of the families in Natari, they're the ones who spent years begging for help, searching the streets when nobody else would. And now it feels like justice was never really served. There are still unanswered questions, still missing children, and still a lot of pain. Because whether or not you believe surrender acted alone, or you think that there is more to this story than we were ever allowed to know,

Starting point is 01:05:15 one thing is very clear. The people who were supposed to protect this community failed, and that failure will always be a stain on this case. And I'm curious to know what you guys think. Was justice served here? Or do you think that something bigger was buried along the way? How powerful does it get? Does it get up to the high courts and the Supreme Court's to where bribery can be involved or cover up collusion conspiracy protection? I'm curious to hear your thoughts. So drop a comment either in the Spotify comment section or leave a review on Apple Podcasts and let me know what you think. And of course, if you're watching this on YouTube, let me know in the comments. As always, thank you guys so much for listening and for watching. I know that this was like a

Starting point is 01:05:55 stomach turning case and very difficult to hear, but I appreciate you sticking through. I hope that these families get answers. I hope that whatever is going on comes to light. and that the monsters who are responsible for this are finally held accountable. Because who knows if they haven't been, who knows what sick and twisted shit they are still doing or could be doing. It's a really scary thought. So thank you for listening and share this episode where you can too. Maybe it'll help generate more awareness.

Starting point is 01:06:25 All right, guys, I'll be back with you on Thursday with headline highlights, breaking down everything going on this week and true crime. And then, of course, I will be back with you Friday and next Monday with new deep dives into cases we have not. discussed. All right, thanks again for tuning in. Until the next one. Be nice. Don't kill people. Don't go into any house that you're invited to if you don't know them and keep your children away from freaks who offer them candy. All right. Thanks, guys. Bye.

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