SERIALously - 378: Taylor Frankie Paul: New Disturbing Video & The Bachelorette is OFFICIALLY CANCELLED By ABC

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

Newly released footage involving Taylor Frankie Paul shows a heated and escalating fight with Dakota—and it’s honestly more intense than what had originally been reported. The altercation turns physical, objects are thrown, and tragically, her daughter ends up getting injured in the middle of it. We’re breaking down exactly what the footage shows, how it compares to what we thought we knew, and the bigger concerns this raises.Then, we get into the unexpected announcement that The Bachelorette has officially been canceled by ABC. After years as a cornerstone of the franchise, the decision is leaving fans with a lot of questions about what led to this and whether it signals a larger shift in the reality TV space.If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow the show for weekly deep dives into the darkest true crime cases! To watch the video version of this episode, head over to youtube.com/@annieelise. .🔎Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & Perks..🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to both of my weekly true crime series 10 to Life & Serialously with Annie Elise wherever you get your podcasts on the Annie Elise Channel!🍎 Apple Podcasts | Where you can also unlock access to 100+ and growing extra exclusive deep dives.💚 Spotify🔴 YouTube🎙️ All Other Platforms.📸 Follow Annie on Socials Instagram: @_annieeliseTikTok: @_annieeliseSubstack: @annieeliseFacebook: @10toLife.👗 Shop Annie’s Must-Haves! ShopMY: bit.ly/AnnieElise_ShopMy Amazon: bit.ly/AnnieElise_Amazon.🫵🏻 Get Involved or Recommend a CaseAbout Annie: www.annieelise.comFor Business Inquiries: [e-mail]••••••••••••••••••🚨Disclaimers1️⃣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me. 2️⃣ Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and various news channel segments. When quoting statements made by others, they are strictly alleged until confirmed otherwise. Please remember my videos are my independent opinion and to always do your own research. 3️⃣ The views and opinions expressed in this video are personal and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer, or company. Assumptions made in the analysis are not reflective of the position of any entity other than the creator(s). These views are subject to change, revision, and rethinking at any time and are not to be held in perpetuity. We make no representations as to the accuracy, completeness, correctness, suitability, or validity of any information on this video and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. It is the reader’s responsibility to verify their own facts.

Hey, true crime besties, welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialistly. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialously with me, your True Crime BFF, Annie Elise. Now, here's the deal. You probably saw from the title and obviously from being outside of the normal release schedule, this was an unplanned episode. Also, this is a true crime podcast. We very rarely talk about anything that is pop-class.

culture related unless it happens to intersect with true crime. And although this is definitely criminal elements to it, it's, you know, true crime adjacent. It is more pop culture. But the reason I wanted to talk about it is because so many of you guys have been in my DMs. And personally, I have been following along with this story, not only from right now and it's currently in season, the secret lives of Mormon wives. And really quickly, for those of you who have absolutely no idea who I'm talking about or what I'm talking about. There's this show on Hulu. It is the number one show on Hulu and it's called Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And in it, it follows a group of young Mormon women, well, not super young in their late 20s, early 30s, but women who are married,

who grew up in the Mormon church, who had children, very young. It shows them coming together as a group through what they call mom talk, where they were creating TikTok dances together, really creating this bubble of, you know, women supporting women where they would go to each other's events and they would do these things. And it's exploded over the last few years. Like I said, it's Hulu's number one show. And arguably the star of the show and the one who created mom talk is Taylor Frankie Paul. Now, Taylor Frankie Paul has, I believe what? She has two different fathers of her children, one with her ex-husband. She had a big swinging scandal back in the early 2020s, you may have seen it where she and another friend, they would like swap husbands,

they would kiss, they would like have these cabin parties where they would swing. They ended up getting divorced. And then she got with her now on again, off again, boyfriend Dakota, who she also has a child with. And they have just been stuck in this very toxic cycle for years now. And so on this show, we have seen some of the toxicity in their relationship. We've seen her try to leave him, come back in. We've seen him manipulate her. And it's, It's just been a lot of this back and forth. And it follows all of the girls. And I watch it.

Not everybody does. So you may have absolutely no idea what this show is or what it means. But she is going to be the new Bachelorette on ABC as well. She's, you know, incredibly popular and famous. But now she is in the headlines for all the wrong reasons for domestic violence allegations, child abuse allegations, just a full string of chaotic things that she has allegedly done. and it's just, you know, not looking very good. And I could give you the full backstory, and I certainly will if you want it,

but I just want to give you a little brief nugget of what this show is, who Taylor Frankie Paul is, so that you can follow along with this story as we continue. And then you can, of course, Google her name as soon as this episode is done, or while you're listening to this episode, and you'll be able to see more. But from when they aired season one back in, gosh, what was it, 2023, I think, 2020, yeah, 2020. And so today, there's been so much going on this week with Taylor Frankie Paul, the star of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

She also was set to be the new Bachelorette for ABC. And as of now officially, that has been canceled. I'm going to talk more about that. But there's been a lot in the news going on. So because a lot of you have been in my DMs asking, like, have you seen this? Did you want to have you talked about this? Because, you know, I am a pop culture girlie. in my spare time, I wanted to talk about it. And it actually worked out perfectly because a friend

of mine, Josh, who has a podcast called The Dad Challenge podcast, he talks a lot about influencer culture, family vloggers, the damage that certain things can happen when you're young and encountering fame. And he was going, we were texting about this back and forth for the past few days. And then he texted me today. He's like, hey, did you see the new video that dropped because a really graphic video was released by TMZ of Taylor Frankie Paul and lashing out and in turn accidentally. And I say accidentally because I don't think it was intentional, but she hits her daughter and abuses her with a chair. And so, well, maybe abuses is the wrong word.

But I mean, it is. It's child abuse. But you go what I mean. So anyway, he's like, did you see the video? And I was like, yeah. He's like, I'm going to go live right now. And I was like, oh, my gosh. I was like, well, I just finished recording.

I'm happy to jump on your live stream if you want. So I joined him. We went live. We talked about all of it in the middle two of us going live. It was released that ABC has officially canceled her season of The Bachelorette. So anyway, we talk all about it. And it's not a full in-depth with all the backstory of the 2023 incident. Although actually, no, I think about it. We did talk a lot about that. But it's just more of what's happening right now this week and today with that situation. So I decided, you know what? I'm going to pull that audio from his live stream, put it on here. since so many of you guys have been asking what my take is on it and just put it out as a bonus episode. So this won't obviously take away from any of the other episodes that we do that are true crime. This is just throwing it out there. And like I said, I do follow a lot of pop culture stuff. I follow Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Housewives, Justin and Blake and that whole saga and everything. So let me know if you're interested ever in me talking more about that stuff. Obviously, I would

probably have it live elsewhere, not on this podcast feed, since this is dedicated to true crime. But if you are like me and you follow those things too and you would want my take or just to hear about daily news and pop culture things, let me know. But I'm going to go ahead and play that episode with Josh and I that we just recorded literally moments ago and curious to know what your thoughts are on this entire situation too. So here we go. We've got a special guest and I want to hear everything she has to say about this. Annie, my favorite and yours. I'm here. Can you hear me okay? Yeah, I can hear you. Can everybody hear any? I haven't live streamed in a minute. So I'm just making sure my equipment's all set up. Hi, thanks for having me. You know, thanks for being here. And did

you see my intro one of the studio when I broke your studio? I played on every intro. Oh, I need to go back and watch it. No, I just hopped in on the back end. So yeah, I'll go look at it after this. So I was just ranting about this whole scenario and how I haven't let it go because this is bad. because I mean, you know my story. I was abused as a child. So when I see stuff like this, it's hard for me to let it go because at its core, there's a child in the mix here. And I think she's going to lose custody, like at the very bare minimum.

I don't even know if the dad, the original dad, her original husband has even seen this till now. This was dropped, what, an hour and a half ago or something like that? I know they do have knowledge of it because I think if I'm remembering correctly, I know this was the 2023 incident. I believe in the police report, they said that her child had a goose egg on their head from being hit with the metal chair. And I think that, again, don't quote me, I would need to go back. But I think that she then had supervised visitation for a minute. That was like season one, two, when they like took the long break from filming and she put herself in some sort of treatment. So I think there is knowledge

about it for sure, but definitely not like to this visual capacity necessarily. And how did that therapy go for her? Obviously, didn't take clearly. No. I'm going to just tell you, I have a hot take. I don't know what your stance is. I think I know, but I've been reluctant to talk about this situation. I almost like, I posted, I went to post a story the other day on my Instagram and I deleted it because I was like, uh, maybe it's too much of a hot take. I don't think either one of them are innocent in any stretch. I think that he has bad behavior, she has bad behavior, but I have thought personally, just my opinion from day one season one, that Taylor appears more problematic to me. And I think that's just because there's issues from her past,

maybe that she hasn't fully dealt with, things like that. But even, I haven't finished this season, but even this season, too, like, he's obviously doing a lot of shady and dirty stuff and, like, sleeping with her friends and all of that. However, I think it's a little bit hypocritical to fly someone in, sleep with him, do all this, and then get mad if he goes to Europe and sleeps with somebody else. And then you make it this big deal, like, you don't love me, you don't me, well, you were to sleeping with somebody else too. Like, I just think there's a lot of double standards throughout it. And it's obviously very toxic and unhealthy dynamic.

And now this video coming out just illustrates that all the more. Let's talk about the reactive abuse excuse that I've seen all over and we'll see it on the TMZ video in a second here. Now, I tend to agree. And my tomorrow's video, I touch on this again before this came out. But the reactive abuse thing, I honestly do believe that Dakota knows what he's doing when he pushes her buttons. He knows exactly what to say.

is it reactive abuse meaning that he's abusing her and so she's reacting to it. Unless, I mean, it depends your definition of the abuse here. Or is he just egging her on knowing he's going to get a reaction to film it for his own clout, which is what he's doing. 100%. This came from him. There's, it's from the damn phone. So it's bad behavior on both sides.

Yeah. Never, but she takes it to the next level when like, okay, they're acting like children. They're acting like a bunch of high schoolers. But he knows she's going to do that. But what we see here, that's beyond the pale. Like that's beyond anything that you could argue and scream and do whatever, whatever I get that. He's eliciting that emotion and he's invoking that from her. But what she did was that's unheard of.

That's crazy. No, I don't know if you've played the footage again. I watched it once. That's enough for me. But I think it's the third swing of the chair when the legs go all the way around and then you hear her child crying. And it's just, and she didn't even stop in that moment. Like before the video cuts, she's still angry and going even hearing her daughter, her child crying. And it's like,

it's very problematic. My guess, if I were a betting person, I don't know if Bachelorette's going to pull it the season, but I think she'll probably check herself into some sort of treatment now that this has gone public. But just because she's been caught. Also, she pulled out of the, what was the, Jimmy Fallon, she was going to do tonight.

She pulled out of it. Honestly, in tomorrow's video, I put my tin foil hat on, I say, is this all like, is this all on purpose? Are we seeing this now on purpose because you don't think so? Because this is the most anybody on earth has ever talked about Bachelorette. No, I don't think this is on purpose. I personally, and look, I don't know the motives of either one of them. Again, I think he plays dirty and does a lot of shitty things and is abusive in certain ways as I think she is.

But my guess is she's been on this press tour all week on morning shows for Bachelorette because she's contractually obligated to do so and because they are moving forward with the season as of yesterday, right? knows what they're doing now. They're probably in crisis mode. But on these interviews, it's, of course, very heavily scripted with her PR team. She keeps using words like, it's heavy, it's this, it's that. And alluding to, I see the headlines, but you guys don't know the whole story. And making enough little nuggets of insinuation of like, you don't know the full picture and what he's done. So my guess is that this was released in retaliation to that to be like to call her bluff and be like, fuck you you're going to like go on morning press and talk about how like people don't know the whole

situation here is the situation let's just show everybody i don't think it's calculated in any larger way to like up the ratings i don't know that a bc will cancel it i think that they're gonna get a lot of crap if they don't cancel it at this point because if the roles were reversed and if we were hearing the allegations that a man was choking a woman with a necklace we saw a video of him hitting his child with a chair there was the body cam footage from 2020 there is no world in which anyone would be platformed for that. People have been canceled for far less, far less. And I think if you think about, just saw a comment. Oh, here it is. It says, I think that some type of addiction is going on as a former addict. Now, we know that she's not

supposed to be drinking alcohol. She said she's been sober. The cast has admitted we think that she is sober. We don't think that's the issue. But we know that he's a, he's an addict as well. Do you think there could be something here? And I know we're just spitball in here, but that they get together and do those things to hide it from the rest of the people because they, They are each other's like. It's possible, but I also think that there's so many other forms of addiction. I mean, I'm not obviously a doctor. I can't speak on it, but just through cases I've covered, there's love addiction.

There's sex addiction. There is toxicity addiction because you need that passion in your life. And so I do think that they are addicted to each other and to this cycle and to hurting each other and then trying to overcome that hurt to prove their love for one another. And they have not figured out a way to break that cycle. I don't know if substance addiction is necessarily a component. I don't feel confident enough to guess on that. Yeah, but I know, and I think you know this too, but like people who are addicted,

when they give something up, it just, it just is replaced with another addiction of some kind, whether sugar or whether it's like something else could be like. Well, isn't that why they say too in treatment? Like once you, if you're an AA or Al-Anon or whatever you're in, how you're not supposed to get into a relationship for a certain period of time too, because you would just substitute that addiction with something else. I think that that is a pattern. And yeah, and someone here says, Dakota moved on from drugs to women. That's his addiction. This one's, Erica says, ABC canceled one of the Bachelets for a blackface photo from her college days. So they should pull this. I mean, yeah. If they've already have, if they've already done this, this is like a no brainer to me. There should be no reason this is going on television right now. This should be absolutely canceled. And I'm on it. I didn't think they would. But now I honestly believe that they might. No, I think so too. I mean, first and foremost, I think they are again in crisis mode from what was happening early.

this week because there were the two separate incidents, right? The 2023 one and then the one from either one month ago or two months ago where she allegedly choked him with a necklace. He hit her in the car, I think, as well, there was something. We don't know all the details about that. But I think they were in crisis mode thinking, like, we're going to go forward with the season. Nothing's come to light, like in terms of actual charges or things like that. And he, I think, recanted from my knowledge, what he had initially called the police and said. He then took it back. But now it's like, everybody knows what happens during the season. They know who she chose.

They know she went back to Dakota. They know now what's happening in real time. So I think you got to cut your losses now at this point and just move on. But I think also that you know that they're having crisis meetings in PR and Disney and Hulu and all this right now talking about we go forward of this. They've got a whole group of room full of people who are smarter than us with this thing. Okay, they go forward. This is the pros.

This is the cons. And as far as I can see right now, just being an observer who has never watched. the bachelor or bachelor's ever um i am not going to watch this and even though it would be you know i'll probably get snippets from it all of the internet if it does air but there's this is way worse than than airing it there this is going to be bad if they air it and you know that they're just and then but it also gives me the look to see that they did this on purpose they knew who they were hiring they knew what she did and and don't forget this and i said at the beginning mom talked the the show on hulu did not get green lit until she got arrested it was she was

shelved and they said this before they were going to do the show they shelved it because it's going to be boring then she gets arrested and then they greenlit it so that's so that's so that's what i think they're going to do it yeah they may i mean at this point though just playing devil's advocate for a moment i could see a world in which all even this video obviously that's from 2023 they started filming for the pilot they paused production for whatever it was six or seven months then resumed and then season one goes she went to treatment during that time too, as far as I understand. So I could see the Bachelor network being like, you know what? She had a tough time. She's looking for love. She did go to train back then. She's trying to rebuild. She has all this fame and notoriety. She's doing good things.

She's transparently herself and authentically herself. Like, let's allow her to do this. Thinking that, you know, cancel culture shouldn't be as strong as it once was potentially, that there's opportunity to like rebuild and reform. But now with this, even though that is still from the 2023 incident, there is a new incident as well that happened. I think it's like, even if you were giving the benefit of the doubt, there's just too much, there's too much going on now to where in good conscience you can platform somebody like this and reward bad behavior. Well, that's social media in a nutshell as it is today.

It's more, as I've been on this YouTube journey for five, six years now, I'm seeing it more and more and more that the worst disgusting people have some of the biggest followings and is growing because they are you're watching something you shouldn't be seeing you remember when we were kids our parents when we saw a guy with one arm they're like don't stare that's we get to stare now we get to stare but we don't get to have the judgment back and so people who are sharing their children on the internet where they're like feed them nothing but absolute bullshit when their houses are disgusting and they're like rage baiting all that or they're abusing their children or they are or they are themselves shittiest people on earth

we are rewarding that that is a society is something that what how did we get here this is the crazy. I've never seen this in all my years. We've had reality television for 20 years, but nothing like this. I think it's because we, even though influencer culture has been around for a while, back in what? Like 2015, it was more blog centered. It wasn't like you had some of the family vloggers, but it wasn't as big as it is now. And with that has been, of course, inherently a lot of younger people getting served up on these platforms and presenting themselves. and with that, it's more immature decision-making. It's irresponsible decisions.

And it's made us, I think, as a whole, desensitized to a lot of what we normally would see. I remember, like, here's a perfect example. Things don't necessarily always evolve and get worse. It's more like you get more exposure to them. And so you understand the bad things. But there's like a clip from 7th Heaven, which I'm going to date myself because I used to watch 7th Heaven when I was like in middle school. And it's where like the mom is confides in her husband,

she had smoked pot once before. And it's like the scary music and the sad music. And I remember, too, when that episode came out, it was like, oh, they're pushing the boundaries. They're talking about things. And now people reposted on TikTok because it's like, so it's cringe almost to be like, okay, we're poking fun. It's not so serious. Because now people are exposing their lives in such a way. And again, these irresponsible young decisions to where you're becoming desensitized as you're consuming this to everything that's going on. So it's like people are upping the ante and people are doing worse and worse and worse and worse. And now it's like, you see this video that just came out for what it is. She's clearly enraged. She has zoned out completely and she's not even looking

at anything in her. He even says at one point, like, your child's right here, your child's right here. And she like keeps just throwing and swinging and then wraps it all around. And like I said, you hear the child crying and she still doesn't stop. And it's like now that you are facing, face to face with something like that, you can't write it off or be desensitized to it. Like, it's black and white, you in the face. This is bad. This is really bad. And if ABC doesn't pull it, I, I would be honestly very surprised. Okay, well, let's let's show it so people who haven't seen it. Um, I'm not going to look. You go ahead. I'm not going to look. You haven't seen it or you don't want to see it. I've seen it. I don't want to see it again. And it once is enough. Okay, one second.

I'm going to play it. Guys, trigger warning. This is abuse. You're going to watch, but this is the night of. This is called physical abuse. Yeah, see Taylor? This is all you do. It's the only thing you know how to do. Holy shit. I don't know. Let me go. Stop. Dude, leave me alone. Oh, my God. Your daughter is right here.

Oh, my God. He's trying to stop her from throwing the stool as a daughter, by the way. And as you hear the baby crying at the end. So it's a hold on. Let me remove it, Annie. All right, it's gone. So for those who haven't seen it, that's,

if you watch it, and I'm not going to see it short again, but you watch it, she's throwing from her dominant hand and he's blocking it from trying to hit the kit all three times. I don't, again, she's not trying to hit her child.

No, she's trying to throw the stools at him. But I think on the third one, and again, I only watched it once. She doesn't even drop it. She holds it. And it's like the weight,

of the stool swings around and her daughter's behind her on the couch and the leg hits her. And then he's like, she starts crying and Taylor still is going after Dakota and not going to her daughter. And don't forget, there's probably another five minutes after that video that we don't even see. We don't, I think eventually he gets her outside or locks her in the garage, like he gets her into the garage. Likely probably had to physically put her in there, which is why he doesn't show that, which is because you'd be like, because then they're saying, oh, look, because the Taylor, Frankie Paul stands

stands who are out there and there's still many of them. Okay, there's still so many of them are going to be like, look, he touched her. But if that was happening to me and there was a child in the room, I would physically remove you from the room. I don't care. I would put you in a headlock. I would get you out of the house because you're a danger to yourself and everything around you. Or you pick up the child and you take them away and like get in the car and go somewhere else. Like you've got to split the two of them up at that point because somebody is just not thinking rationally, which I know this was the same incident as the body cam footage, right?

Am I remembering correctly? Didn't she also? Because she was intoxicated or perhaps on Southern. and says, didn't she wet herself in that footage? She pissed her pants. She was, she had already, or unless he got her out and then she had to go pee and she just, or Peter Pends on the garage. We don't know what happened.

What this is the night. The cops showed up. That's the outfit she's wearing. We have to, we also have to talk about, though, the fact that he held onto this footage till this moment. We have to say, why this moment? Is it because she's about to become the most, one of the most famous people and he doesn't like that?

What is his motivation for this right now? Why not release it a week after it happened? Why not release it when she got the show for Mom Talk? Why now? I think he's been trying to protect her. Even this most recent incident that happened, again, I don't know if it was one month ago or two months ago, where she reportedly choked him with the necklace and they were fighting in the car and

all that. He called 911 and then she begged him to change his story. And he did. So I think it goes back to this like toxic cycle between the two of them where they love each other and they want to be together, but then they hate each other and they're protecting each other. And so I think for years, he has probably not shared. a lot of the details that have truly gone on.

And maybe vice versa. Maybe there's stuff she's protected him from as well. But now I don't know if it's because she's going to go on the show and be popular because I think people are already like the smear campaign is already happening, even though there are stands. I think truly my belief is because in these interviews this week, as she's been on the press circuit for The Bachelorette, she's alluding to people not knowing the full story and that he is the primary abuser.

And so I think that this may have been done in a way to be like, you know what? Once and for all, fuck you. Let's show people your true colors and what you really did. And I don't know if you saw this. I don't remember it from last season, but I did see a clip of it either on my Instagram or on TikTok last night of Demi from last season when she's calling Taylor out. And I don't know if it was a reunion or an episode. I can't remember where she's like, and she basically says like, well, what do you want me

to tell the truth right now about all the stuff you do with Dakota and all this? And like, I'm not going to do it because I don't. And she says the child's name, which I'm not going to say. She's like, I'm not going to do it because I want to protect your child. But let's talk about what you do and how like everything you've done against him. And I think people are now resurfacing that clip to be like, oh, this is a pattern where she has been doing this. And like, and DeMey was calling it out. And I'm not a Demi stand.

Don't get me wrong. But like, I think that a lot of people have been perhaps protecting her and keeping her secrets his as well. At the very minimum, Hulu and Disney's been protecting her. And that's what they said in the last article. The nominous source, which is probably a lot of the girls in there, are saying, Disney won't allow us to talk about this. Hulu is saying, no, we're protecting Taylor is the star of the show. So we're going to protect her.

And they're like, you know what? No more of this. We're not protecting her anymore. And they said, well, we're going to stop filming because that's all the power they have. Now, they would be smart to say, okay, well, we'll continue filming. But if they contractually obligate Hulu to talk about it and not selectively or deceptively edit anything that's happened. Because what the Hulu will do is say, okay, let's continue.

it. Cool, cool, you can talk about it, but then they'll edit it out. That's the thing. It does seem like all, and who knows what the truth is, right? I mean, you and I both know people can mask everything that's going on, but it does seem like the girls have all come together to make the decision of we're pausing production. We're not going to film until like, because of the situation, which what would be great in this moment is if they collectively said, to your point, like, look, we will pick back up cameras and film. You need to allow us to address this. You, we also part of the. the stipulation is that you help and maybe foot the bill even to get Taylor in treatment.

And then we can talk about like warning signs. We can talk about the process, what's gone on, like how this has affected us and her and all these things that get her the help she needs and then we'll film. And like do something responsible with the power you have. This is the number one show on Hulu. They carry so much power. Have we ever seen a show in which at four seasons with people this young, their EPs on every episode?

Never. the amount of power they carry and how strong their voices with network decisions, they could certainly make demands like that. And they are. There's like, I think most of them are executive producers on the show. And then Taylor Franklin Paul came out yesterday. He's like,

I don't even know what that is. She's done. I was like, girl. Yeah, I was like, girl, you've got like,

I don't know what that means. And even though you are an EP, you don't get, say, over the final cut or the edits. That's not how it works. It's like you just get the EP credit. You get a little bit extra percentage of the,

you know, of a fee based on like, airings and royalties and all of this stuff. But it's like, yeah, when she, I saw that too where she's like, yeah, I didn't even know until I saw it in the episode. I'm like, first of all, then you need to fire your agent. But also like, it doesn't look good that you're like playing dumb. You know, like you should be more responsible than that. I don't know. Very dumb.

But someone pointed out in a comment below too that after that fight that you saw, I would walk away from that. And I'm not saying everybody's strong enough to do that. Abuse of situations are very nuanced. I understand that. There's a lot of psychological shit that goes on. But that's like that's before they even had a baby together. Like they went on to have a baby and then had been probably

volatility like fighting like this for years and years and years. And they just either they like it, which is really weird to me. I think they do. I think they're addicted to each other. And it's real. Because yeah, it's very,

it's very sad. But that's why she needs to just remove herself not by going and filming a new show for four weeks where she's dating 30 men. She needs to remove herself. go into treatment, not for substances, but like self-reflection and like work on things. She has so much baggage and things that she's overcoming personally, finding out she has two half-siblings, the tumultuous relationship she has with her mother, even sometimes her stepfather, like she needs to just look inward and do some serious work because once she

feels more secure and stable with herself, then she will feel stronger to walk away. And you nail it. It is difficult to walk away in situations like this. I forget what the exact stat is. I think it takes eight times before you can successfully leave an abusive situation or an abusive partner. And many times the statistic, too, of people dying when they try to escape is extremely high. And I'm not saying that he has been physically abusive against her. We have, to my knowledge, have never seen any sort of proof of that. It's more manipulative and playing

with her head. But it certainly is an abusive dynamic between the two of them. And what you say is really important because it's like it takes eight. And we're usually talking because women are generally the abused person in the relationship. Let's be real. That's the stat would stand for it. And so a lot of times women just have nowhere to go. We understand. And I understand why. So you're like, I've nowhere to go. And so they endure the abuse, which is terrible. And with children, it's difficult. Yeah, there's so many factors. And in this scenario, you've got Dakota who is dependent on Taylor for his fame, his money, his social media presence. He leached off for first. No one knew who Dakota was before Taylor. He wasn't a, he wasn't a famous

influencer. He didn't have a lot of following. And now he's dad talking. He's big and famous. And that's all because of her. So the dynamic shifted. He wants to be or wants her in his circumference because it only helps him. And he has the magic. You're not relevant without her. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's not relevant without her.

Just like, what's his face? Jesse's husband isn't relevant without her. Which one is Jesse? Is that one who's got a really small face? Jesse is the one who had all the plastic surgery. Yeah, her husband is the one that, is she the one who, like, dubbed himself as, like, founder of dad talk. And he's like, so cringe.

I watched three episodes with my wife because I had to figure out which ones because there was three. No, I know. You and I were texting. You're all how people watch this. I'm all. I watch. There's so many people do because it is a train wreck. We are watching things.

We don't see normally. And it's something that you're like, I can't take my eyes off this because it's so abnormal. And the thing is these ladies are all rewarded, including Dakota, dad talk and all these guys and Chase and everybody else. They are all rewarded the more messy they are. So they are, they know that too. So if they get, if they come in, if they swear at each. other and getting a big fight on camera, they know they're going to get more screen time. That's the only way they're going to do it because if they're normal and nice,

they're not going to get screen time. No one gives a shit about that. So think about that. Like that's what we're rewarding. No, I know. Yeah. And again, not that they're children. They're obviously not, but they're young.

They're in their late 20s, early 30s. So certainly old enough to be knowing right from wrong and making sound decisions. But also, and you can probably speak to this more clearly than I can, growing up Mormon, they obviously grew up at a very accelerated rate. They started having children very young. Many of them were abused. They got married very young. So I think that their minds can easily be molded.

So when you have producers in your ear and you haven't fully formed into an adult, like maybe a normal person who was outside of the church would have on their trajectory, and that's not shame Mormons at all. It's just, you know, the way they grew up at an accelerated rate. It's like I could see where there's the producers encouraging the chaos in their ears. They're loving the social media. It's just a huge recipe for a disaster. Yeah. Updates here. Taylor Frank EPaul is now dealing with her ex-Dakota Mortensen asking the court for restraining order against her. And also people are saying that TMZ is saying that it is canceled. I don't see that here yet. Go to ABC. Maybe they put out a statement.

Okay. One second here. ABC news or ABC? I'll search on my end too. It's TMZ canceled Bachelorette. Let's see. Well, that's at least that's at least some good news because. Oh, yeah, here we go. TMZ article here. I'll send it to you in the private chat on here because I don't know how to share my screen. Let me see.

Let me send you the link. There you go. I didn't even read it, but just- I got it. I got it. Here we go. Okay, cool. Let me just get rid of this.

Put this up. That's good that they cancel it. That should hopefully show the precedent that this isn't acceptable. Yep, this is it. Because, again, if you reverse the rolls in this scenario, it wouldn't even got to, she would, mom talk wouldn't even have been a show.

Like, I'm sorry, it wouldn't have been a show. And I think the girls can still continue, but not with her. Yeah, I think they have to. TMZ's learn ABC is pulling the plug on Taylor, Frankie's Paul season of Bachelorette amid fresh claims of domestic abuse. Disney Entertainment, spokesperson tells us, in light of the newly released video,

just surfaced today. We have made the decision to not move forward with the new season of Bachelorette. At this time, our focus on supporting the family. The network dropped the hammer Thursday today on the upcoming season. source connected to The Bachelor. It tells us no one at ABC had seen the video before TMZ posted it. Damn. So as we first reported, okay, so that's all we really need to know there.

It's done. It's over. Which, you know what? That makes complete sense. And because also, the spoilers are out there to where everybody, again, they knew who she ended up with, the engagement to Doug, how she then went back to, he came out in January, but she went back to Dakota. So it's like, for them to even release it, I get the production cost more high.

And so they were going to try to recoup a lot of that money. so it's like, oh, even though everybody already knows how it ends, let's release it. But now it's like, now we really can't release it. So it's like there's just no point. I think there's a case for them to sue her for her behavior online. Remember the video she just released of the guy with his shoulder in the video? I bet you that was just Hulu getting this guy back in to say,

hey, just get in this video, do this so we can cast down. I would argue too. I mean, in a lot of the stuff I've done, there's usually a morality clause. And so I would imagine if there is a, morality clause in hers that they could probably recoup a big percentage, if not all, of whatever she was paid to do this. I don't know.

At very minimum, they can recoup, but they're losing production value, like the production costs, which is probably in the- production and flights and flights and flights and like 25, 30 people plus crew. Like we're talking probably half a million, $800,000 for production of this size, easily. Oh, plus where they stay. Way more, Josh, are you out of your mind? Millions to a million. Get me some numbers, Annie.

Crunch it for me. 500. Come on. Okay. How much does an average season of the Bachelorette or the Bachelor cost in production? Because then also think the whole cast, the 30 guys are also getting paid. And they're not getting paid much. They're probably getting paid, I don't know, $10,000 each.

But it adds up. Yep. Okay. The realistic range is $10 to $20 million per season. No. $2 million per episode. I was way off. Holy shit, 10 to 20 million dollars.

And again, that's the clock to change for Disney. Here's something else I thought about too the other day as like all this was starting to emerge. She's kind of been chaos and a loose canon from day one, but it hasn't mattered because it's the number one show on Hulu. But this is going to seriously damage any future projects, not only because from like a perspective of, you know, cancel culture and not rewarding bad behavior, but because she's unreliable that you can't, you don't know. what you're signing up for when you hire her. When ABC hired her, they were probably like, great, this is going to boost our ratings because our ratings have been in the toilet. It's going to be a whole new generation of people watching. We'll foot the bill. It's going to be great. But because she is so self-sabotaging and chaotic and all these things, it's like they took that risk. And now obviously

they're going to be in the whole call it 30 mil, maybe to where it's like, I can't imagine other brands, even once this dies down in years, we'll want to step out and work with her just because it's like there's no guarantee. It's such a loose canon. The thing that's also going to happen is because if you watched episode 10, you see that her mom and sister showed up with the kids to take her to the airport, which again, she was bringing her kids at least for a little bit of a visit so they could say, you know, whatever.

I thought she wasn't going to see her kids for like eight weeks, but apparently she brought her kids. And then she didn't want to go because the night before her and, you know, Dakota were getting together. Now, that when you see that and the things that have been given to this woman for literally, what does Taylor Frankie Paul offer to the world? Give it to me. Nothing.

She does nothing, man. She's good looking or was, and that's it. That is literally it. I'm definitely not a Taylor hater at all, but like, I never really understood the fandom around her. I personally, and like, I don't know what everybody's opinions, you guys can tell me in the comments. I personally really like Jesse.

I really like, um, Whitney, I'm starting to like this season. I really like Miranda. Like, I just never saw the. allure of Taylor. And I get it. She was like the one who kind of like catapulted the show and started it and got the group together. So of course she's the lead and the star. But in terms of like the energy and the personality and her having that like star factor, I never saw it. I never understood the obsession really. The obsession is she's the drama. She's the she's the, she's where it all hinges from. They don't they walk in eggshells around her. They gave her the more.

The more power she had, the more dramatic it got to because she knew she can get away with more because she was the leader, right? And she could kick people out of mom talk if she wanted to, and all the kind of stuff. But this is also what I think is going to happen. And you heard it here. She's going to lose almost everything because of it because nobody's going to want to work with her.

She's not going to get ad reads and sponsorships for her Instagram. She's going to continue on and she's still going to have her fans. But I think this is, she's never going to experience the level of success that she's been handed to this point. I think it's over for her. Who even though cares about that? Dakota's filing for sole custody. And this wasn't even his child.

in the video, I bet you anything, her first baby daddy is also going to be filing for because she's losing her kids. She's losing her kids. And I wouldn't, this is right. So it's like, yeah, the brand deals are one thing because it helps you take care of your family, gives you this lifestyle. But like that aside, that that is bigger. You are losing access to your children. And like, you know how it works with DCF, a DCSF and all of them. It's like, once you get that stain on you, it is very difficult to come back from that. And let's not forget that she's on probation right now. And if it's proved that she has done this again, she could go to prison.

Like, I'm not sure how that. You don't think so? I don't, I don't know. I didn't even know she was still on probation, but very possible. I think three years. Well, but so yeah, this, though, video is from that incident. So he would have to, because I think with this most recent incident from like a month or two months ago and him withdrawing his accusation, I think he would have to reacuse, which it seems

like maybe he will now that he is filing for sole custody. And then if she gets charged for that new one, then maybe something will happen. I also might think that at some point, he's going to have to take his foot off her neck because he's like, look, I've won at this point. And I don't think he's going to want to like,

I don't think he's going to want to put her in the ground. He just move on and like, they need to get away from each other. He's equally dirty and like plays dirty. And like, his like sinister little smirk when he did sleep with her. I'm like, get the hell out of here.

Like he's super manipulated. and dangerous in that regard where maybe he's not physically violent that we know of or that we've seen, but he definitely is emotionally abusive, absolutely. I 100% agree with you on that. And again, I know this type of behavior. I grew up with this type of behavior, Annie, like the ability to you to weaponize, like to trigger somebody. You know how to do it. And I'm not, and I'm just saying that is a form of abuse.

To know what to do to trigger and push someone's buttons is a very, very high form of abuse. And it's like, because the person is, but again, it's never going to be excused to be a violent or violent at all. You've got to be an adult. You're 31 or 32 now. At some point, you've got to grow up and start like, like I, I've seen my escalation as a human being over the last 46 years. And I have changed completely from when I was 25 to when I'm 35 into now. And I've changed completely. It doesn't seem like she has changed at all, if not getting worse. I know. But that's what sometimes fame and money will do because it gives you the opportunity

and the access. I don't know. And become addicted to the fame, which to Cota's is into the fame and the money. I don't know if he makes a ton of money on social media, but he probably makes more than just working a regular job. That's for sure. And for him, it may not even be the money that's important. The amount of clout he's getting because he's getting recognition from females

and he's probably sleeping around. That seems to be what matters the most to him. Like he's not dripping in designer and doesn't seem to be caring about the financials. It's more of like, oh, it's giving me the social clout that I want and the social media presence. And I can get into any girls' pants I want. It's like that seems to me his motivation.

And I don't get this about some of these dad talk guys like Chase and Dakota. But like, these guys are just, Chase has three DUIs. He's got a worn out for his arrest. And there's so many people online are like, I, I didn't do him. Like, what you've seen what he's like. You've seen what Dakota's like on TV. How are you going to sleep with this guy? He's a disgusting pig.

I don't understand it. No, it's unbelievable. Oh, my gosh. Well, I got a jump, but thank you for having me on here. Thank, Danny. I appreciate it. I'll talk soon. We need to do this more.

Of course. I'll come out. I'll come out your way. It's warmer. Okay. Okay. Sounds good. Bye, guys.

See, yeah. All right, so you just heard us break down our thoughts and views. Obviously, this is all still very raw. This is just now happening in real time. I am glad that ABC pulled the plug. I think that that was the responsible decision. But curious to know what you think. And as I mentioned in the beginning of this episode, if you also follow pop culture stuff like this, whether it's housewives, secret lives of Mormon wives, whatever it is, you know, the Justin and Blake Baldoni, or Justin Blake Baldoni, Justin Baldoni and Blake lively stuff. And you. want to hear my take on any of that or just daily pop culture events. Let me know. It, of course, would not live on this podcast. So don't worry. It's not like I would substitute our true crime cases for that type of content. I would probably have it live elsewhere. But just curious if you guys are even interested in anything like that. You can let me know in the comment section on Spotify or send me a DM on Instagram at underscore Annie Elise and just tell me like, yeah, we definitely would want more of that. Obviously, there's not really a way on

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crime cases. But anyway, let me know your thoughts and hope you are having a fantastic Thursday. And I will be back with you on Monday with an all new deep dive into a case. Until then, protect your kids. That's all I can say. All right, bye.