SERIALously - 382: Kohberger’s Back, More Dirty Duggar Details & Quad Amputee Charged with Murder

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Starting point is 00:00:22 Hello, hello, hello. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialously with me, your host, Annie E. Lees. And today is Thursday, which means it is headline highlights day. As a reminder, if you are listening to this podcast for the very first time ever, first of all, shame on you. You should have been listening a long time ago. No, I'm just kidding. But Mondays, we do our deep dives where I go into a singular case, go down the rabbit hole, bring you all the facts, the speculation, the theories, what people are saying on Reddit, you know, their social media history, every little thing you could possibly want to know you will find out about in those Monday deep dives. And then

Starting point is 00:01:16 And then on Thursdays, I do headline highlights where I am joined by Amy Colette. I'm here. Hello. Hi. And we discuss everything happening this week in true crime, whether it's brand new cases or updates in cases or, I don't know, court cases. Exciting life updates. Very rarely, do we talk about those?

Starting point is 00:01:39 No, I don't have one. Do you have one? No. No. But yeah, so welcome. And if you're watching this on YouTube, I was going to say if you're watching this on video dirt. If you're watching this on YouTube, take a second, hit the like button, hit the subscribe button. And if you are listening to it on your podcast app on your phone or in

Starting point is 00:01:56 the car or working out, make sure you're following the podcast. Sorry, that was annoying, so that you do not miss future episodes. Hello. Hello. Welcome. Happy Thursday. It's a great day. Is it? I think so. I feel like shit. Why? Well, you know why. Well, yeah. That time of the month. I know. I know. It's a nice. It's a great day. It's a great day. I know. It's Not fun. We're so in sync. Well, you were actually a week ahead of me, and I kind of blame you for why I jump started. We can talk about that later. Wow. Okay, so I want to start with footage that, look, it's not funny. It's not funny. But the comment section I lived for when I first saw this, and it's about Brian Coburger and new footage that has been released about him going to the DMV to

Starting point is 00:02:44 swap his state plates as he was evading police after he committed the quadruple homicide. But it's one, it's an update with Brian Coburger that has really been circulating everywhere. You may have already seen it if you are on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Reddit. You've probably seen at least a clip of it. I actually received a text message yesterday from Nancy Grace's team. They're like, can you come on? Can you talk about this? I'm like, I can't right now, but I do want to talk about it.

Starting point is 00:03:09 So here I am. Like I said, it's newly released DMV surveillance footage of Brian. piece of shit, Coburger. And just to be clear, the footage itself isn't new in terms of when it happened. It actually dates back to November 18th, 2022. So five days after the four University of Idaho students were brutally murdered. But now this footage is just becoming public or has just become public. I don't know. I'm not the grammar police. But that's why it suddenly is now blowing up online. Because the video, it shows Brian inside a DMV in Pullman, Washington. And, And he's there to change his license plates on his white Hyundai Alantra, something that, of course,

Starting point is 00:03:50 later would become a really important detail in this investigation. But honestly, what stands out most in this footage is how completely routine the interaction looks, aside from him wearing gloves. But if you're watching the video version of this, I'm going to play it for you, but I'm going to describe it for those of you listening. He basically walks in, he's super calm, he's polite, he approaches the desk, and tells her that he wants to switch out his plates and he starts making small talk with this DMV employee. And they're chatting about very normal everyday things.

Starting point is 00:04:21 They talk about where they're both from, what kind of car he has. I mean, just small chatter at the DMV. Nothing about it on the surface looked unusual. And certainly, if I were the DMV employee in that moment, I definitely wouldn't be looking across the desk saying, oh my gosh, this person looks like he just killed for young college students. Yeah, he has this, like, weird beady eyes. but like nothing on the surface looked unusual.

Starting point is 00:04:46 But then there's a moment that people have really now zeroed in on. During the conversation, the employee brings up the Idaho murders, just in passing, because at that point, remember, it was all over the news. It was literally just a few days after it had happened. So it was still extremely shocking to everybody who lives in these small towns and neighboring cities and towns. So they start talking about how she moved from the Bay Area, and she says that she likes the Pullman-Moscow area better,

Starting point is 00:05:13 and she says, I like how small, quiet it is, and I would feel safe. But the whole Moscow thing makes it feel a little less safe right now. But Brian, when he hears that, doesn't really engage with it. He kind of just says like, oh yeah, and brushes it off and waits for her to say the next thing. But again, I'm going to play this for you for those of you watching. And also, you can hear the exchange for those listening. Are you... I am originally from the bear.

Starting point is 00:05:41 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You're Andrew, okay. Okay. So I like living up here much better than you know. Yeah, I don't think that. Yeah. Do you happen to have the purchase order for when you bought it?

Starting point is 00:05:53 It's definitely a big difference. Yeah, huge difference, right? Because when you're I really like you know, I like how small and quiet and I wouldn't take safe, but the little moscow thing kind of makes it a little less like to write out and how much sales have to pay for it. Otherwise, is still a good mailing address? a good mailing of graph?

Starting point is 00:06:12 Well, you know, I do need that. I do wish it must be so cold. Oh, my God. But I'm very important to that. Yeah. So obviously, it's very subtle. It's not like it's this crazy smoking gun. But like we say here a lot, hindsight is 2020.

Starting point is 00:06:30 And knowing what we know now, it is definitely one of those moments that stands out. And imagine being that DMV worker and not realizing that you're the one who interacted with him that day and came face to face with him. It's just so eerie. There are also a couple other details in this footage that people are pointing out. As I mentioned a little bit briefly in the beginning, he's wearing gloves the entire time, which we also know from other footage that we've seen

Starting point is 00:06:54 in the days after the murders footage of him at Costco, Walmart. He's also wearing gloves basically everywhere he went. Then there are also moments where he appears to be like looking around at the DMV, kind of scanning the room, maybe trying to see if he's being recognized, see if there's cameras, see if other people are talking about the murders. I mean, who knows, but it does feel a little bit eerie. So the visit itself lasts for about 20 minutes, and then he leaves with his new Washington plates after previously having Pennsylvania plates on his vehicle. And timing-wise, I will say that that's something that the investigators have obviously looked at very closely given how central that car became to the case. Now, one thing that I do have

Starting point is 00:07:38 to address because this was what I was referring to earlier where it's like not meant to be funny, but the comment section was super funny. Because when I first saw this footage get released last week and I was watching it, one of the most surprising parts of the entire thing wasn't the comment section being like, you know, F. Brian, he looks creepy or analyzing his every move. Sure, there were comments like that. But if you remember back to like the Costco footage where people were just hyper analyzing everything, that's not what was the primary point of discussion here. The majority of the comments, we're actually focusing on things completely unrelated, saying things like, wow, that DMV worker is so nice. Usually when I go to the DMV, they're a complete

Starting point is 00:08:18 a hole or a troll to me, or that's the fastest DMV experience that I've ever had. Or this DMV also, if you see the clip, it's very small. It looks more, it doesn't look like a traditional DMV, at least not the ones we have here in California. It looks kind of just like, I don't know, like a AAA office if you've ever been in one, or like a small. dentist office. It's like there's a couple desks and somebody greets you right away. You walk in the door and go up to a desk. There's no pulling a number, no waiting for hours on end. It's just very non-caotic. So other comments, you know, being like, I wish my DMV was like this or I'm moving to Washington just for the DMV. And like that, I just thought that was funny because I don't know,

Starting point is 00:08:58 I live for the comment section on post. I feel like they are more joyful to me than the post itself. So then afterwards, he gets the license plate. He leaves, as I said, But I think that the reason that people are reacting so strongly to this footage, either on the side of, you know, wow, that's creepy or talking about how nice the DMV lady is, is just because of how normal the entire thing looks. There's no big moment, no obvious red flags, nothing that is outwardly alarming. It's just a regular interaction until, of course, you realize who you are watching and when this actually took place. So, I don't know. I saw you guys tagging me in the footage. As I mentioned, Nancy Grace wanted me to jump on and talk about it to you. I think everybody's trying to not, I don't want to say make sense of it because obviously there's nothing to make sense of. But like, it's just weird when you, again, see part of his strategy and his

Starting point is 00:09:47 cover up with switching the plates come to life and you have video footage of it and you see how he's acting out in the wild and who he gives you more of a glimpse into who he is as a person and how his behavior is. I think people are fascinated by that. I mean, I know I am. So I don't know. The more and more that comes out about this guy, the less surprised I am that he did it. He just seems like a total creep. And I'm sure this isn't going to be the last footage that we see of Brian Coburger. I hope it is, but I don't think it is. So anytime there's more information that comes out about like his strategy and how much he planned this whole thing, it's like you really fumbled for how much you planned. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I hate this guy. I hate this guy. I like can't believe.

Starting point is 00:10:34 he's still alive. Honestly. I wish that we went to trial. I wish that the firing squad was coming for his ass, but we're just going to have to sit patiently while he gets taunted by the prison inmates. And that's enough for me right now. That's enough. Your tumbler. I'm just trying to say hydrated, Amy. I don't know about you, but Diet Coke's really bad for you. And it's very impurent that you drink lots of water. But those are coming back. Shh, don't tell. Okay. So this next case has been shocking people everywhere. We're talking about a woman from Indiana who is now accused of killing three people in Illinois. On March 21st, police were called out to a home in Crete Township, Illinois for a welfare check around 2 a.m. after receiving a call from a woman's sister

Starting point is 00:11:22 who had said she had just called and admitted to killing three people. And when the police got there, what they found was a full-blown crime scene. As they moved towards the house, they found two victims inside right near the front door, and later a third inside of a vehicle and a cul-de-sac inside the same neighborhood. All three had been shot. Those victims were later identified as 32-year-old Jacob Lamber, along with his mom, Stacey, and stepfather Patrick Ford. And pretty quickly, investigators said this didn't look random. It looked targeted and likely domestic in nature. So they're trying to figure it out what exactly happened here, because you have three people all from the same family who were killed in what appears to be a very tight timeline.

Starting point is 00:12:08 Because looking at the scene, there were no signs of forced entry, and two of the victims, like I said, were found right near the front door, which suggests this wasn't a break-in, that the victims may have known the person at the door and willingly opened the door for them. And so as investigators started working back those timelines to find out who could have done that, that's when they learned something very important. Jacob hadn't just been home that night. He had been out with someone earlier, someone he knew, someone that he had a history with. And interestingly, that last person known to be with Jacob is also someone connected to the entire family. That person was 30-year-old Jenna Strubble,

Starting point is 00:12:49 Jacob's on and off-again girlfriend and the mother of his two children. So after pinning Jenna as a suspect, investigators began to track her whereabouts. And when they did find her hours later, she was all the way back at her house in Indiana. She was immediately taken into custody and charged with nine counts of first-degree murder. Now, as this moves from investigation into the legal process, more details have been coming out, and this is where the case becomes a lot more unsettling. Because according to prosecutors, Jenna had picked up Jacob that night and spent time driving around with him. At one point, even letting him know that she had a surprise for him and offered to give him

Starting point is 00:13:30 a massage. She had him recline back in the sea, take off his shirt, lie on his stomach, while she used a massage gun on his back. Prosecutors say this went on for about 20 minutes. Then while Jacob was lying there, completely vulnerable, investigators say she pulled out the gun. And according to court documents, she allegedly held the gun to the back of his head for several minutes, going back and forth on whether she was actually going to pull the trigger, before ultimately shooting him. And from there, prosecutors say Jenna drove the car to his parents' home, with his body, still in the passenger seat, while smoking a cigarette. And when she got to the house, she initially tried using Jacob's key to open the door. And that's when Patrick, Jacob's stepfather, heard the noise, came to open the door, and Jenna immediately opened fire, killing Patrick, when inside where Stacey Ford was also shot and killed.

Starting point is 00:14:26 Investigators say that Jenna later made incriminating statements during questioning and that a firearm recovered after her arrest matched the weapon that was used in the murders. And Jenna didn't provide much of a motive other than not liking the way Jake spoke to the children or felt that his parents were a little too overbearing. The court documents read, quote, she didn't like the fact that Jacob showered with a toddler, that people took naps with children, that Stacey was snarky or that rules seemed to change in the same. their home. And apparently, Jenna didn't want her own parents having custody of her children either, and also admitted to investigators that she had even considered killing her own parents as well. She has since been extradited to Illinois and is now being held in custody as the case moves forward, with court proceedings just beginning. But even at this stage, this level of detail that's coming out, especially about how this allegedly all unfolded, is what's making this case stand out.

Starting point is 00:15:25 It's definitely one we're going to be keeping a close eye on and hopefully we'll get some answers to these questions as to more of the motive. What drove her to do that that night? As the police said, this was targeted. So there was a plan in place. But so sad for those kids. It makes me wonder if there was like postpartum psychosis or something. Like if she didn't want anybody watching the kids except her like not the in-laws, not her parents, not the father. Like for not like and for the statement about she didn't like that they showered together.

Starting point is 00:15:55 nap together, how they took care of the kids. Like, I wonder if there was something in balance, maybe not postpartum psychosis, but something to where she felt like she could only parent them the correct way. Obviously, that doesn't excuse it, but apparently the sister said when she called part of that call was not only to admit to it, but then to also ask her to take care of the children and that apparently there was some past history of self-harm ideation, but that that had turned into them homicide ideation. And so maybe it just kind of spiraled into this and escalated to something. I wonder what the backstory is too with the parents and her like upbringing and all of that. Like maybe that's where the fear is coming from. Maybe there's stuff we don't know about.

Starting point is 00:16:39 And again, not to like excuse it or justify it. I just wonder, yeah, as more details come out. Was there a breaking point or was this something she had been kind of contemplating? Like was it just out of her being selfish and pure hatred or was it because there was something? else, I don't know. Yes, because those court documents state some pretty specific things that she mentioned. Yeah. But who knows? That's awful. If you are an animal owner like me, and specifically a dog, you know how sometimes your dog will start doing things that just feels like off or not in their regular behavior, whether it's constant itching, licking their paws, shaking their head, or even just seeming uncomfortable in their own skin, whether it's like, you know, you know the thing where it's like

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Starting point is 00:21:56 So I'm going to just do that right now because it seems like information is dropping daily. At the time of this recording, this is what we know, okay? And let me give a quick recap just to ground us. But Joseph Dugger, from 19 kids and counting, is now facing felony charges out of Florida involving a minor. This is tied to an alleged incident from 2020. And at the same time, his wife Kendra was also arrested in Arkansas on separate charges involving children. More specifically, endangering the welfare of a minor and false imprisonment. So just to circle back to Kendra's charges from last week where everybody was on YouTube,

Starting point is 00:22:31 you know, commenting like, this happened, this happened. First of all, thank you for letting me know. But also, yes, I recorded the episode before that information was released. So here's where we're going. So basically, reports say that Kendris charges allegedly stemmed from having locks on the outside of her kids' bedroom doors, that when the investigators came to check their home after Joseph was arrested, that's when they noticed these locks. And I'm just going to say this.

Starting point is 00:22:59 It's going to be a controversial take, but I'm going to say it anyway. I think it's one thing to have a lock on the outside of the door to lock your child in and to reprimand them. But I do know a lot of people, when they have had toddlers or babies, where they put that little safety lock on the outside of the doorknob outside so that if the toddler learns how to crawl out of their crib and, you know, open the door so they don't fall down the stairs in the middle of the night. It's not meant to keep them entrapped in there. It's just meant as like the safety measure so they can't get out and hurt themselves when they are that young. Her children are obviously older and I don't think that that's why they had locks. But I just want to, you know, throw all of the information out there and play devil's advocate for a quick second. Not even play devil's advocate.

Starting point is 00:23:41 That's the wrong term. But just throw out more possibilities, although I don't think that's why of why there could have been an outside door lock. So anyway, right out of the gate, this was already extremely messy because there were two different cases, two different states, and tons of speculation. However, what's now come out over the past few days is where things start to take a turn. The biggest development, being a recorded jail call between Joseph and Kendra. So audio surfaced of this recorded call on March 20th, which was two days after Joseph was arrested and just a few hours after Kendra had been arrested and then bailed out of jail. And there's one moment in this call that really stands out. Kendra tells him that she hired

Starting point is 00:24:24 an attorney, but then immediately says, it's not for you. It's only for me. And at first, you hear that and think, okay, that's a clear separation. That's her saying, you know, I'm handling my situation on my own. Also, sometimes attorneys don't want to represent spouses. It's advised that you get your own attorney. But when you find out who she hired, that's where things get a little bit more complicated. Because according to reports, Kendra hired an attorney by the name of Travis Story. And the reason that that name is particularly raising eyebrows is because of his track record in cases involving the Dugger family, especially when those cases involved children. And if the name sounds familiar to you, it's because he previously represented Josh Dugger, the brother in his federal child exploitation case,

Starting point is 00:25:12 which don't even make me get started on that guy again. I feel like I went off the rails last week, but he's like the dirtiest of dirt. Now, as you probably know, not only did that trial fall absolutely flat on its face, but the defense faced insane criticism and backlash. I mean, obviously this guy was disgusting. I even told you last week, he had one of the worst possible files of CSAM material that exists on his device, which just shows you what kind of sick twisted shit he was into. So now this creep who represented him, and I get it, everybody's entitled to a defense. Defense attorneys have to make a living some way. But now she's enlisting him to be her attorney. So fast forward to this situation. You have Kendra, who is also facing charges involving minors, choosing an attorney who is already closely associated with defending another dirty dougar in a high-profile case involving children.

Starting point is 00:26:04 So that's why people are really starting to side-eye this right now. And it also shows that whatever strategy she's building, she's doing it with someone whose past involvement in cases like this already has been very widely talked about. Then in that same phone call, Kendra tells him that she's staying somewhere private, with the kids, but she doesn't tell him where. Which it sounds to me like they're avoiding saying too much because obviously the calls are recorded and they don't want that information getting out. But at the same time, she still is facing charges of four counts of endangering the welfare of a minor and four counts of false imprisonment. And I have to say too, going back to what I said before with like the locks on the door, and I forget what company makes. It's like 3M, it's very mainstream.

Starting point is 00:26:48 It's not like you go and get a padlock at Home Depot. It's these like, I don't even know how you got like a swivel thing that goes across the doorknob or goes on the circular doorknob and baby company sell them. Like it's not, it's controversial, yes, but it's something that is mainstream. However, if she is being charged with four counts of endangering the welfare of a minor and four counts of false imprisonment, I can't imagine in what world. We talk about all the time how people won't file charges or private. prosecute unless they are confident that they will win and that they have enough evidence. I don't know in what world.

Starting point is 00:27:24 If, say, a cop walked into my house right now and I had that lock on Emmys' door and Emmy was not in the room where they would have false imprisonment charges or endangering the welfare of a child, which leads me to believe, and this is just my speculation entirely, but for them to move forward with charges, it's my belief that when they entered the house, the children were in fact locked in those rooms. And maybe at the time of this recording that information isn't out there. And maybe once you hear this, you're like, duh, Annie, that was already released. But as of right now, it has not been released. But that's what makes me think that they filed these charges. Not that she was one of the few who

Starting point is 00:27:59 puts the thing on the door for their safety, but that they were being held in those bedrooms. And I could totally be wrong, but I don't know, reading between the lines, that's where I think this might be going. So while now she's in a private location with the kids, the bigger context is that the authorities have already accused her of these horrible actions involving these same children. Now, as of Tuesday of this week, online records show that Joseph Dugger was booked into the Bay County jail on March 31st. He also appeared in court later that morning. And in court, Joseph, disgusting-ass Dugger pleaded not guilty to one charge of lewd and lascivious conduct and one charge of lewd and lascivious molestation of a victim less than 12 years old. This is a

Starting point is 00:28:45 according to court documents. His bond was set at $600,000 on both charges and a court date was set for April 20th, 20, 26. He was also ordered not to have any contact with the victim and not to have any unsupervised contact with any minors, which, hello, I think that should be the glaring light above him. Like, yeah, you are not allowed to be around any minors because even though he's not convicted yet, First of all, it's like you're kind of guilty by association based on what your brother did. But even if we're not going that way and we're like innocent until proven guilty, when there's children involved, err on the side of caution, air on the side of caution. So the fact that he was ordered not to have any contact with the victim and not to have any unsupervised contact with any minors, I say amen. Here we are again, the Duggers, the gift that will not stop giving.

Starting point is 00:29:38 What do they say? like her what is the thing like oh god no i'm like i saw where you're going thought please what's the saying like not the gift that won't stop giving or it's the gift that keeps on giving but what's the one where it's like it's the herpes one i don't know a herpes saying no where it's like you can't get rid of it something like that something like that i'm glad i don't know that you get what i'm where i'm going with this i hate the fucking duggers would you rather if you could expunge brian coburger from your vocabulary or the dirty douger, which would you rather get rid of and never have to speak of again? Coburger, only because he wants the attention and the notoriety. So I think when people speak about him, he gets off on it.

Starting point is 00:30:26 And I remember actually early on him in his YouTube history, not me, but maybe, but he used to watch case coverage. So I think that him. Starving him of that attention. Yeah. But if I could like get both. of them out of prison and who would you rather have face the firing squad? Tie match. I don't even know. I don't even know. So now we have, like I said, another dougar, a dirty dougar, another case involving a child, another situation where if you were like me, you're left asking how this keeps

Starting point is 00:30:55 happening with the same freaking family cult. And I mentioned that also last week. I think that they are in a cult. And you know what? A lot of people actually commented for me to, watch shiny happy people. I haven't watched that. Have you? No. But they said it follows the, because I can't think off the top of my head. It's like the ILBP or something that they follow the value system, which it is like a freaking cult. And so people are like, watch shiny happy people.

Starting point is 00:31:23 It covers that. It covers that. And I was like, yeah, they obviously dress like they're in a col with like the hair and the dresses. It's so bizarre. So that's why it keeps happening in the same family, right? Anyway, so last week we were trying to understand what was happening. Now it seems like we're starting to see it all unfold. And something tells me that we are nowhere near the end of this story. And I also had asked at the end of last week, please let me know if you want the deep dive. Please say no. Many of you said yes. But I will say, you know what? To my pleasant surprise, a lot of you said, we don't need the deep dive, Annie. Like, you're good. We got you. But a lot of you said yes. So I'm going to ask one more time, do you really want it? Do you want the deep dive?

Starting point is 00:32:06 Well, I was wondering, I thought was thinking two things, like the Jody Hildebrandt, like, just extreme parenting with the discipline. Or when you were saying, like, what would have led to, like, evidence-wise to them coming up with those charges? And I was thinking not only could maybe the children have been present, but maybe there was a lot of evidence of them trying to escape or get out. And that's just heartbreaking to even think about. Or even if they're minors, I mean, who knows, maybe when they were questioned, they said, yeah, we'd be locked in their first. hours as punishment or something like that. So I hate this family. I hate this fucking family. And it's so sad because, I mean, obviously there's no parent in the world that wants their kids around that family. So it's like those poor children are then like ostracized. It's awful. I know.

Starting point is 00:32:56 I know. It's, oh, it's really sad. Well, moving into the next case. No, I know. So many people have been asking what the hell is going on with this case. Well, that's because the headline is crazy and it almost makes you feel like it's impossible. So rationalize with us. Break it down for us. What is going on, Amy? So here's the headline. A quadruple amputee now charged with murder.

Starting point is 00:33:25 And this is quickly becoming a case that's raising a lot of questions about what exactly happened because nobody's sure how this all unfolded. So we're going to get into it. This one is about Dayton James Weber, a 27-year-old from Maryland, and up until now, a lot of people knew him for something completely different. He had become pretty well known in the cornhole world, which for those of you that aren't familiar, it's usually this casual backyard game where opponents stand on opposite sides of the backyard or of a space where there's two raised boards and they toss beanbags back and forth. And the point of the game is to try to get the beanbag in the hole and there's a whole scoring system. But nevertheless, it's become a sport. People can actually go pro and it's a big

Starting point is 00:34:14 deal to a lot of people now. And so Dayton was competing at a high school level being featured in the media as someone who had really overcome extreme circumstances. Because when he was a baby, he had contracted a severe bacterial infection that led him to losing all four of his limbs. So growing up and even into adulthood, his story was often framed as inspirational, someone who adapted, pushed through, and built a name for himself despite all of these challenges in his way. But now he's facing first-degree murder charges in the death of his friend, 27-year-old Bradrick Michael Wells. And what investigators say happened here is honestly a lot. According to police, this all went down on March 22nd. Dayton was driving a vehicle with Bradrick

Starting point is 00:35:04 sitting in the front passenger seat and two other people were in the back. And at some point during that drive, an argument broke out inside of the car. And that's when everything escalated. Investigators say that during that argument, Dayton pulled out a gun and shot Broderick multiple times, including at least one shot to the head. And all of this allegedly happened while they were still inside the vehicle. So, I'm sorry, what? Like, because obviously even just hearing this, you immediately start wondering how this all physically played out. And that's one of the biggest points of discussion in this story. First of all, I'm sure it's all possible. But how was Dayton driving without any arms or legs? And then while driving, how did he then pull out that gun?

Starting point is 00:35:55 Even pulling out that gun while driving, how was he able to hold it stable enough to be able to shoot someone multiple times? But according to authorities, after the shooting, Dayton pulled the car over, and that's where things get even more disturbing. Police say he asked the two people in the backseat to help him move Bradrick's body. which they told him absolutely not, got out of the car, ran, and eventually called the police and told them what had just happened. And not long after that, Bradrick's body was found in a yard in Maryland. So I think, honestly, that's the part where that leaves a lot of questions too, because if Dayton needed help getting that body out of the car

Starting point is 00:36:36 and had asked those two people in the back seat, how did he then pull over to the side of the road, get out, and leave the body in a yard all by himself? because at this point now you have a shooting, inside of a vehicle, witnesses fleeing, and a body being dumped. But the one problem was that Dayton was gone. Investigators say he was later found in Virginia at a hospital, more than 100 miles away from where this all happened. And as of right now, he's facing multiple charges, including first-degree murder, second-degree murder, assault, and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. He has since agreed to be extradited back to Maryland where this case is going to move forward in court.

Starting point is 00:37:19 Now, one of the biggest things people can't stop talking about in this case is the logistics of it all, because again, Dayton is a quadruple amputee. And authorities have said that despite that, he was still able to handle and fire a weapon. And what's interesting is that he actually posted videos showing himself shooting firearms. So which we're going to play those videos for you, for those of you watching the video. version. So this isn't something investigators are suggesting was impossible for him to do. It's clearly something he was capable of, but still it's one of those details that just

Starting point is 00:38:19 has made a lot of people kind of stop and think, how, how did this happen? And then there's also the question of motive, because right now there isn't a clear, confirmed explanation why this happened. Police have said it started with an argument inside the car. But what that argument was about, how it escalated to that level, and what the relationship dynamic was between Dayton and Bradrick, that still hasn't been fully laid out yet. There's been at least one person from Dayton's past, however, a past ex-girlfriend who has come forward claiming that he had a controlling or volatile side.

Starting point is 00:38:55 So we're still very much in the stage of having a lot of questions, wondering what actually really happened. and honestly, one of the biggest themes in the case so far is that major contrast. On the one hand, you have this public image, someone who people saw as resilient, inspirational, overcoming something that most of us could never even imagine. And then on the other hand, now you see these very serious allegations of violence and murder. So this is definitely one we'll be keeping a close eye on as well and bringing you any updates because I have a feeling there's going to be a lot more to come on this one.

Starting point is 00:39:32 It is wild. I understand everybody's confusion to of like, how could something like this physically happen? And I know that quadriplegicics and anybody who's an amputee has like those mechanics in their car and things that help them, you know, shift and drive and pedal. But when you think of everything combined with one another, him driving the vehicle, being able to load a gun, fire, aim, all of those things. Yeah, it is.

Starting point is 00:39:56 Especially when you have two people in the backseat who clearly, weren't complicit. They got out of the car. They weren't going to help him. So you'd think with that time that he was getting the weapon out and shooting multiple times, they would have had time to intercept and maybe even had like, I mean, two of them against one person. I wonder what the history is with his temper. Yeah. I'm sure we'll find out. Oh, what a sad case. Okay, guys, so that is it for headline highlights today. But quick little announcement, merch is coming back. I've seen a lot of you guys asking, when's merch coming? When's merch coming?

Starting point is 00:40:30 Because it's been, gosh, I don't know, seven or eight months now. It is coming back. All I can say, I'm not going to give you the exact date. But you're going to be wanting to check the website over the next week. Annieelis.com. And for all of you, Patreon, viewers and listeners, you will have early access before it goes live to the public so that you can scoop up things before they sell out. So if you've been on the fence about joining Patreon, now is the time to

Starting point is 00:40:58 do it because you not only will get early access to the spring merch, but you also get more behind the scenes, you get bonus episodes, you get giveaways, you get our group chat that we're talking in every single day about all of these cases. And so you can do that at patreon.com slash Annie Elyse. And you'll get a discount for merch. And you will get a discount for merch. You are correct. And are we giving away any merch this? We are. We are. So you might get free merch on top of that. That's where we're at. All right. So I hope you are all having a great start to April. It's a new month. It's a new dawn. It's a new day. I knew a song was about to break out this on your day. We got to leave on a high now. I mean, this was grim. Literally. Yeah. So we got a

Starting point is 00:41:41 All right. Lead us out. I don't even know. What's a good song? I don't know. I got a pocket, pocket, pocket, pocket full of sunshine. That's not how it goes. Let the rain come down And wake my dreams Is that how it goes? Let it wash away my sanity Because I want to hear the thunder I want to scream

Starting point is 00:42:07 Let the rain fall down I'm coming clean I'm coming clean Okay Love you guys, be nice Don't kill people, don't join any cults and I'll be back with you on Monday. Bye.

Starting point is 00:42:23 Bye.

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