Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - BravoCon & Babies with Special Guest Ryan Bailey!

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

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It feels like the night before Christmas. I mean, this is, I've dreamt of BravoCon for two years. So I'm so excited. We're finally here. I'm sure you guys feel completely different about it. I'm excited. Wait. Have you been to BravoCon?

con before. Yeah, this will be my third, my third Bravo con. Yeah. So there's been, I've been four. Okay, yeah. There's two in New York and this is two in Vegas, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. I was like, you know more than I do because you've been to as many as I have and you actually probably have been there like longer than I have. Yeah. I mean, I mean, yeah, this is, this is my Super Bowl. This is for, I mean, I think Luke likes sports. This is genuinely my, genuinely my sports. So, you know, it's like you got to keep in, you got to keep track of every. everything that goes down in any of the fights that potentially happen or any makeups that happen. And, you know, this is, this is considered a work event. But it's, it's just so,

I mean, I just have a blast at these things. Are you going to be recording, like, for your podcast? So you guys, obviously, everyone knows who Ryan Bailey is. And I should have said this at the beginning. But he has a podcast that everyone knows about, especially if you're a bravo person or in pop culture at all. So bad it's good with Ryan Bailey. So are you going to, are you just like picking, like, because you're doing interviews and stuff, then you'll talk about it on your pod later. Yeah, I'm going to do that. I'm not going to sit down people for like extended interviews. I mean, if there's an opportunity, I'll always take an opportunity. But I mean, primarily, I mean, this, I'm there as a fan. Like, it's not even the Bravo Lebrides because,

you know, I've now talked to a bunch of them over the years, but it's really just the other people and like the fans, because I'm a fan myself, and you get into the, you get into the really fun conversations, you have a short language, and you kind of walk away with. with like a bunch of new friends. And so it's obviously very different because then people come and see you and people already love you or they dislike you or they,

you know, like you're already walking into Thunderdome and like you guys have the first big panel of the weekend on Friday. We do. And Danny Pellegrino's hosting it and I have to, I'm interviewing Sutton Strack like right, like I'm going to

miss the first 10 minutes of your panel. And I'm not known for running, but I will be running to your panel. Just because I'm so, I'm saying, do you guys get nervous for this stuff? I've never done anything like this. Luke, yeah, Luke, how do you feel? I haven't really asked you much because, so you've been, Luke's been to BravoCon once for like a minute.

You want to talk about your, what you know about BravoCon, your experience? So after we filmed season one of the Valley, they had Kristen, Jackson, Brittany out for one day of BravoCon in Vegas. I went with Kristen, so I saw all the crazed fans and all the, basically, I think I've got a pretty good idea of what it. entails. I'll just say that being on the other side of the fence versus like, you know, a cheerleader being like, go get them, babe. I'd say excitement isn't the feeling I'm feeling. I don't know. What is the feeling? Is it like apprehension or just like uncertainty?

You know, I don't know. I feel like this might be one of those times as best to bite my tongue what I'm really feeling. Okay. There's a lot of feeling. Hey, Luke, let me, in terms of the podcasting game, it is best to not bite your tongue. We got to get some downloads on this thing. You know, Listen, I'm not going to be a big draw. So we got to get you saying something so controversial right now that people run to download this podcast. Yes, Luke. Well, maybe contrary to some people might believe, I am not an attention seeker. And this is a whole lot of attention from a whole lot of people I've never met that have their minds made up mostly about me and about everybody.

You're so likable. No, I mean, I'm sorry to push back. You're like, you turned into a little bit of the reliability. narrator on the show. The only thing I am hoping is that you wear one of your outfits from the season two talking heads where you started to wear like the fancy shorts and like the tailored outfits. I think there was like a salmon suit you, like a salmon colored suit you wore at one point. I'm looking. Yeah, I want the Luke looks. I hope you have multiple looks that you will be bringing to BravoCon. Luke, how many looks do you have planned for BravoCon? I have nine jackets in the

closet and a bunch of button ups and they're all going with me. So we'll figure it out. I've been asking him for weeks of like, do you know what you're going to wear? He's like, I don't know. He's like, I'll pack the day before, throw some stuff in a suitcase. Yeah, well, I do have like, I just packed this morning. I do have a stylized closet now. I got a stylist. That's what happened with season two.

And I say, got a stylist. It's my good friend Jeff's wife, girlfriend, whatever. They've been together forever. Anyway, she does some styling on the side. And so he was like, take Andy shopping with you. Took her shopping. Didn't charge me much. and she, like, totally revamped my books and my whole closet, basically.

So it's, I'm starting from a better place, even when I do pick my own clothes. That's the dream. I mean, that's the dream is that I want to be rich enough one day to, not rich, but I want to be doing well enough to be able to hire a stylist where they just know, they know the ins and outs of my bodies, they know I have thick thighs, they know I have a smaller upper torso, and then they just say, this will look good on your type of body. Because if not, it is just such a shit show every, every time I, I go someplace. We were at the Grove on Friday and Rebecca was trying to like, you know,

buy, and I'm also cheap. So on top, it's like a bad combination and nothing really fits me and I'm just, and then I end up front. It's like the same thing as like back to school shopping that I used to hate, you know, where it was just miserable and my mom would be like, try on these jeans. And I'm like, I don't want to. Okay. So that's me, Ryan. Like that is, that's Kristen pre-Valley, pre-Bravocan, like pre-anything that's major. And like, I don't want. too. I hate going shopping. I only online shop. I do a lot of returns. And I feel like nothing fits this bod. So I'm right there with you. Luke's like, I'll go to the mall. Why not? Weird. Then you don't have to, it's like you make 10 trips to UPS a week to return shit.

So you can make one trip to the mall and know if it fits or not. It is true. Yeah, but the mall you're dealing with what could throw you into an eternal depression. Like if you buy clothes online, at least your depression is only seen by you and your, your mirror. But if you're in the mall, then you're carrying that negative energy around in the mall where you're like, ugh. Literally, I could not have said it better myself. That is exactly how I feel. But you know what? We're all going to look. All three of us, we're going to look snatched at BravoCon. Yeah, Luke, by the way, I just want to remind you, I'm not what you would, I'm not a real man, Luke. I just want to remind you. So you have like, oh, I can just go to the

mall. That's not me. Like, I fret about everything. We'll dive into this more. I'm not a real man. Well, no, it's just that I understand, like I lead with emotion and I worry about everything and I beat myself up about everything. And I think, you know, Luke, you came onto the show and you were like the hunter gatherer. And, you know, I was like, I don't even think you had working power where you lived for a while. Like, you lived on the land. That's how I always, you know, the lore of Luke, I think, runs large.

And so I, you know, I was like, this man could be great in a survival situation where I would, like a zombie attack. You'd be great in a zombie attack. I would die. I would let the zombies eat me immediately because I know I have a bad knee. They would give out. And I was just like, so why, why keep it? Like, just eat me now, you know? Wait, Ryan, when's your birthday, Ryan?

April 25th. Yeah, one day after. I'm a tourist. Oh, we've talked about this. Yeah, I know. You're right. I forgot. That's crazy.

I was like waiting to hear he's like an emotional Pisces or like an Aquarius like me like no you're no I'm weirdly I'm stubborn but I'm very obviously insecure and that's how that's how you get a podcast folks that's the only place for a podcast well I mean I mean just out of curiosity when you go into these things in these panels are you like prepped on like what you can and can't say like are you or do they just go hey just let it rip? had some prepping like we're not we cannot reference anything season three yeah anything they haven't seen like don't give things away nothing's out right i guess with the moderator we were told that there'll be someone will step in if there's questions that like are pushing the limits of what you can answer you know basically there'll be someone to say hey you know like we're not going to get into that yeah so there i guess there there's like kind of i think standard rules that just revolve around, I think, you know, giving away any kind of anything on a reality show, same as they would if I was like doing, Ryan, if I was doing an interview with you before season three, they would be

like, well, don't talk about episode two or whatever it is. But otherwise, like, I have a few panels and I'm like, I have no idea what's going to be asked, what's to come. Especially I have this panel called, I forget, something like opposites attract. Yeah, I saw it. that. And I'm with, I'm paired up with like a Miami housewife and I know nothing about housewives, like absolutely nothing. And I now. That's great. Because then you can actually feel how you feel in that moment instead of already predetermining how you feel about them based on a show. That's very true. Yeah. Like I'm constantly like, shit. Like right now I want to watch Beverly Hills. I want to watch the new season because I love me some Rachel Zoe. So I'm like, should I start watching that? Everyone tells me to watch

Salt Lake City. It's like the number one thing. Oh, Salt Lake City is so good. I think even Luke, I think even Luke would enjoy it because it's so ridiculous that it becomes like a comedy at times where you're like, this is, I think anybody would find this funny. It's very different than other housewives franchises because Orange County's airing right now. And it's, you know, you know how people call the Valley kind of toxic. Yeah. O.C. is toxic, but you know, we've seen the same patterns of behavior for 19 seasons. So it gets a little, I don't want to say it's stale. It gets a little stale because we've seen this before.

But with Salt Lake, they fight in such a way that it kind of almost is like weird jazz music where you're like, oh, this is kind of like art in a sense. You know, you feel like you're watching something more than just a reality show. Yeah, you're like, it's so like offbeat but not. Yeah. It's like so many different types of people could enjoy this depending on how you want to look at it. Yeah. But, I mean, also be prepared for people to ask you what you think about the Vanderpump reboot.

They're going to hate you with that. I mean, I think my opinions are fairly strong. Like, when it got announced, you know, I was, listen, bless them. You know what I mean? Good for them. Yeah. Yeah. Shoot your shot.

The thing is when I saw the photo and I just went to the comments and I was like, wait, there's two people who have been on like multiple reality shows before. Yeah. That threw me. They all have like 200,000 followers. Like, we didn't even have Instagram when I started Vanderpump. Well, I mean, I think that's why the show was so good because social media didn't have as big of an influence as it does now. But also, I mean, there is something, they're almost tied now to this Vanderpump legend.

So even if it's good, they're always going to be compared to you guys. And then in the trailer, it was fine, not that it should have been a groundbreaking trailer, but they didn't even lean into certain. Like, Peter still works there. Like the Peter Arrasier is ridiculous. I was like, why are you not showing this man at? I was like, poor Peter still out there, like counting out tips. Or making out with someone. One or the other or both.

Yeah, I don't understand. And also be prepared for people to ask you where you stand with Lisa Vanderpom. They always seem to ask you that. Yeah, it's always the same guys. Luke, where do you stand with Lisa Vanderpom? Hey, baby daddy. No comment. Yeah.

Well, Luke, you're going to get asked a lot about new fatherhood, even though Kristen should be having a lot of those questions as a new mother, but they'll probably hit you with like, what's it like to be a new dad? And are you helping Kristen? Yeah. And when's the last time you talked to Jacks? You'll be hit with things like that.

Yeah. I have another panel that's like a parents panel, and it's all women and Cole McBee. I am so excited to be on a fucking panel with Cole McBee. He is like the unsum hero of the McBee dynasty. Because he, like, he will get wasted and yell at people. Like, I mean, those are, that's like classic reality shows. He was sobbing in being like, I don't cry.

I'm not crying. He was like, don't tell anybody I cry. Did not knowing that. You know there's a camera on you, man. And by the way, he fought a lump of dirt and he lost. He was like, ugh, oh, oh, and his two brothers are like pulling him off. Yeah. But by the way, the McBee dynasty.

That's our Bravo show that we love together. It's like. I love the McB Dynasty. Yeah. that's that's definitely the number one bravo show for us to watch yeah super what will you say what will you say to stepan mcbee if you see him what will you say hey like this like what do you do you do you lead with hey i'm on the valley what do you i'm a bravo lebert so we talk to stephen we've never met him oh yeah yeah so we like dm with him brittney had him on her podcast once and so that

was like my open door baby's home um my open door to like start messaging with him we had him on the pod once and then we just DM him all the time like we want to come to the ranch we want to come he invited us he did he said they've got a house for us to stay and bring kaya so we're going to make it up there at some point yeah i would do that it's like because rebecca liked that show as well and so we like we burned through the second season and then went back and watched the first season and we were talking about that condo that they have in nashville where like a lot of like bad stuff goes down and i was like you got to get rid of that condo man and he was like hey good news it's in we just sold it. And I guess him saying that made the buyer not happy and it lost the sale of

that condo. And you got like, I'm not like a gotcha podcast. So I felt so guilty about it. And then like Bravo TV.com like was like, so bad it's good with Ryan Bailey. You got Stephen McBee in trouble. And I was like, no. I just said I just get rid of the condo. We got Stephen McBee in trouble. He decided to talk about it. Not your fault. know, I am all about finding ways to make life a little easier, especially for moms, getting Kaia dressed whenever she was fuzzy or rolling around used to be such a struggle until I found Magnetic Me. Their clothes are seriously genius. Instead of dealing with a million buttons or a zipper at three in the morning, everything just magnetically closes. It makes changing time so quick,

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You feel like you're on an acid trip for like four days. And you're just kind of riding that wave of being tired and a little hungover and really excited. And there's so much coming at you at all times. And so that experience is really fun. And I've had great concert experience. I mean, we've been lucky enough to go to the sphere a bunch to see shows. What have you seen? You guys got to go.

We saw Dead and Company a bunch. because we love dad and company. Rebecca loves fish. So we saw fish. I took my dad to see the Eagles. My dad loves the Eagles. So I surprised him

and took him to that. And then we saw you too. So we've been to do a bunch of shows. And it's amazing. It really is incredible. We're flying in my mom and sister to help with Kaya while we're working BravoCon,

you know. And so the one thing they wanted to do is the Wizard of Oz at the sphere. I hear it's amazing. It has to be. I mean, like, I feel like it has to be. be incredible. But yeah, they're going Thursday. Yeah. Yeah, they're going Thursday night,

tomorrow night. Well, how worried, I mean, Kai is five months old, right? Yes. How worried are you about trips with, because I mean, we're pregnant right now. We're not due until March and obviously our life is going to completely change. I'm so excited for you, Ryan. I'm so excited for you and Rebecca. Like, I'm jumping out of my skin. Like, you get engaged and then you're pregnant. And it's And by the way, I didn't get engaged because we got pregnant. It wasn't like, oh, we're forcing. That was happening. But every day is like this new journey.

And I mean, Luke, you know is that you have a different appreciation for what women go through. Like the fact that women just don't rule the world after what I'm watching, like just her body change and like how much emotions are going through her body at all times. And, you know, just talking about the future. We're having conversations where I'm older than Rebecca. And she's like, you know, we're like, we were watching some reality show, yes, last night where it was like, well, you got to plan ahead because my husband's older than me, he's not always going to be around. And she's like, yeah, I totally get that. And I'm like, oh, great, you're already planning for my death. That's insane. But she tells me, she reminds me every day that I'm not going to sleep for four months. So get ready. Like two. I would say you won't sleep for two months. Our experience was two. And then you're going to have an awesome break where she'll sleep. for like seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven hours sometimes.

And then if you're as lucky as we are, you'll hit the four-month sleep regression where they just go back to like being a newborn again. They're two to three hours. They're up for an hour kind of thing at night. Yeah, it's not fun. That's where we're at right now. And so did you guys do shifts?

Sorry to board the audience. Did you do shifts? Did you do like you take for two out? I mean, like how did you manage that between when you guys both up? Yeah. Yeah, we did. when she was really little, that's something we need to get reestablished. And about the time we reestablish it, she'll be sleep in 11 hours straight again.

But that just, no, as soon as you think you got a handle on it, it's going to change. Yeah, but we did like, I know, like my girlfriend Courtney recommended it to me, because we did not use a night nurse. We didn't have any help. Yeah. We have an amazing nanny now, but we didn't have any help when she was really little. And my friend Courtney also had a baby around the same time and she has a toddler. And she said what she and her husband would do would be like, she sleeps from like, I don't,

it was like, like, I think it was like 9 p.m. to like 3 a.m. and then he sleeps like 3 a.m. to 9 a.m. kind of a.m. kind of a.m. And it's just, it just wasn't that easy. Like, it wasn't for us. It wasn't that easy to be like, okay, 9 p.m., go lay down, go to sleep. You're like, uh, but I'm not ready to sleep yet. Or I'm like, you know, whatever it is. Oh, yeah. It takes me like three hours to wind down. Same. And then also like if, you know, if you are breastfeeding, then that's like a whole other wrench in it. But we did both. Like we combo fed right from the very beginning. That was just a choice that we made. Like I did not, I didn't know how breastfeeding would go for me. But I always wanted to make sure Luke could feed her with a bottle regardless. So that's the choice that we made. And that was really helpful. But really it was just kind of like you can make any fucking plan you want. And it just doesn't matter.

So you're just kind of like, we're hunkered down. Who's capable right now of being up? Who's like slightly less tired? We can't afford the, I mean, not, I mean, like, we can't do the night nurse, you know, so we're doing it ourselves. And I, you know, that's how my parents raised, you know, like, it's obviously doable. We're going to, we're going to make it work. But it is funny to, like, be so anticipatory for something that hasn't happened yet.

And at the same time, so excited, so scared, all of the emotions. and then you're like, well, where do I find time to make fun of Housewives? Where do I find time? Like, how do I skip a while? Like, hey, guys, I'm going to go recap the Valley. Sorry, I'm going to miss this feeding. Like, how do you explain that to your daughter as she grows? I mean, there's so many thoughts going through my head right now that I know life is going to change.

And most likely in a very positive way. For sure. But it's just, it's really incredible. It's just really incredible. Yeah. People always say, like, what's that phrase they're like, the days are long, the years are short. But Luke said in the very beginning, he's like, the days are long with the weeks are short. And that is the best way to put it.

Because every day, every day feels like at times, like 60 hours. You're like, is it still today? Hasn't it been a week? And it's been like 24 hours. You're like, wait, what? But then all of a sudden you blink and she's four weeks old. And you're like, wait, how did that happen? And then she's five months old.

Yeah. And then you get sad every month of like, the first month. is gone by. I'm going to miss the first month so bad. I mean, like, are you already nostalgic for the beginning? I don't miss the first two months at all. Yeah, that's where Luke and I really differed. And I'll tell you, like, I, for whatever reason, maybe it was like hormones and emotions and lack of sleep, but it like, it would hurt my feelings really badly in the very beginning where I was like, Luke, why don't you just want to like hold this potato and stare at her the way that I do? Because she does, you know, looking back, I'm like, they really don't do

anything when they're when they're that little like they literally sleep eat poop sleep eat poop like that is it yeah and he's like well that's why and it would like i'm like but i don't understand you know and like now looking back i'm like yeah why would you why wouldn't you want to just nap when you could or like do something else when you when you had the time to do it yeah so in hindsight it makes perfect sense well i mean yeah i mean i don't know how i mean i've been reading so many articles too about men forming the attachment to the child early on. And, you know, sometimes people feel it immediately. Sometimes it's gradual. Not that you, you know, everybody loves their child, hopefully. Yeah. But it is interesting, you know, obviously, you know, this baby, you know, was inside you for

nine months that you carried around. And so I think there's a different emotional output. For sure. Did you guys do the music on the belly and stuff like that? Yes. Absolutely. I did. I did every kind of music I could think of, too. Like, Sometimes it was classical, sometimes, I mean, not like death metal because I don't listen to that, but it was like country. And I had all these different playlists for her of like my favorite stuff, like my classic rock, of course, the Fleetwood Mac, like all of that. I saw Stevie Nix perform when I was eight weeks pregnant. So I like to say that it was like Taya's first concert. And I felt it in that moment.

Stevie like looked at me in the eye into my soul. And I was like, it's a girl. I was like, I'm having a girl, aren't I? But yes, the little, there's that. that little speaker you can put on your belly. And, you know, I don't know if it does anything or not, but it's, I love it. Well, I'm up to the third season of Vanderpump rules on the belly and just really trying to break. Yeah, well, don't worry, Luke.

I'm going to get to the Valley eventually. I'm just trying to get through the classics first. Yeah. It's like, like those Disney golden books. Like those are the classics. Ryan's like Vanderpump one through three. I was legitimately thinking about writing a children's book. around like housewives and broad you know or like dangerpump rules of like a baby's book for that

you know and trying to make it like this positive fun thing that could be oh people are so crazy i was yeah it was i was i was anyways i'm just yeah it's uh it's a it's an adventure even right now so i can't imagine uh how it will be when she finally gets here and i think you know it's like you're just so excited for her to get here so you can get on with the rest of your life you know yeah yeah for real how has pregnancy been for you guys over all. Well, for me, I mean, it's, it's been, I mean, she, I mean, it's all the heavy lifting is her. Like, she had, I mean, by you guys, you meet her. Yeah, she, yeah, she had, yeah, she had an intense three months. I mean, very, uh, emotional. It was, you know, she was, she's like, you don't know.

He's like, I wake up sick every day, every day for three months. I've never been sick this long. And it wasn't just the throwing up. It was just like, I feel like I'm hung over all the time. I feel like, you know, and that's a lot to go from somebody that's like happy and bubbly. And then, you know, and felt like, she said, it just feels like a marathon every day. I mean, it is pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. She's not wrong.

Second trimester has been better, but even, like, yesterday was a really tough day for her. And it really kind of goes in waves, but she's killing it. I don't, I know I wouldn't be able to do that, you know? Yeah. But it is weird because I think, I mean, I'm like, she truly right now is the most beautiful that I've ever seen. You know, I'm just like, wow, like I'm blown away. I'm blown away. And of course, she doesn't feel that way.

So it doesn't really matter how I feel. You know, it's like, I know I'm not making it up. I'm just truly amazed. But sometimes you just got to really try to, I don't know, you can't personalize anything. You can't personalize the emotions. And I don't know, it's very interesting. But I just, I mean, she's just doing amazing. So I just hope that everything continues.

And so far, you know, she's helped. healthy, which is the main thing. And we have our big ultrasound next week where they tell you, you know, 10 fingers, 10 toes. They go through every, I mean, I guess it's supposed to be hours. And I'm really nervous for that. But Luke, I don't know if you felt this. Like, every time I get to hear the heartbeat, like, I'm like, holy shit. Holy, like, that's the thing.

Like, all the pictures and all that stuff have been like cool. But the heartbeat was like, no way. That's an actual harp. That's the one we created. Yeah. I can't wait. just to hear the heartbeat again, you know? I was like, God, this is like the best song I've ever heard. Like, this is, I was like, this is truly, truly incredible. And, yeah, I mean, I hate, like,

this is so boring because I get so sappy about it and I get so wistful. And then also, you know, you're thinking about your whole life and your parents and going, oh, I'm already playing the times that she's going to hate me growing up, you know, because every kid, every kid rebels against their parent at some point. And I'm like, already preparing myself for that 17 years from now. You know, like, you just think about you, you just think about everything, you know. Yeah. I think, I think kids born, like, birthed by millennials like us are so lucky because we all had the coolest childhood.

Like, we had a childhood before technology, and we were the first childhood to have technology. So we, like, we rode our bikes, you know, it's like, it's not bullshit. Like, to all the you, Gen Z or, like, whatever, whatever the other people are called. that are even born than like the 2000s. Like, it really was like, come home when the street lights, you know, go out and like... Ring the dinner bell. Like, you know what I mean? No, I grew up in Kansas on a street, Kansas on a street full of, like, all kids.

And it really was that. Like, I don't think my parents even locked their doors at nights. And it was really this very amazing way to grow up. And I could go off. We had like this place called The Trails where I could take my dirt bike and ride around the... It was just like, oh, be back at this certain time. It was never, it was very protected and weirdly you felt safe everywhere. And I think with technology or even in what I do, you know, I see the negativity every day.

Like I wake up and I, and you guys, I'm sure the same in a very different way. But all of a sudden you're hit with like 30 negative things, whether it be something stupid that you said the day before or just the state of the world and like how, you know, it's like I've changed a lot in six years of how I would have even approach these shows. and now, you know, it's like, you, oh, God, these are real people and these are, you know, it's, I used to hit a lot harder and then you go online and you just seem such extreme negativity where you're like, at the end of the day, this should be positive. We should be joking around. And that's why even with Bravo Khan, I'm so excited because for the most part, I've just experienced extreme positivity, which reminds me of like a music festival. But it worries me about a child because once they get their hands on a phone, they are then immediately subject to so much

negativity that they have to be almost so positive that they can combat that extreme negativity or be able to decipher both and to not get pleasure and endorphins from just knocking on somebody, you know? Yeah, for sure. But that's why I think our kids are lucky because of the childhood that we got to experience because we have a choice, like even though the world is the way the world is and technology is the way that it is and God knows what it's going to be like, you know, in 16 years when they're teenagers, but they can live, like, through the way we want them to as best as we can, like trying to give them the childhood, like the childhood that we had.

I know that's what Luke and I've always talked about and, like, what our goal is. Yeah, did you guys sit down and talk, did you sit down and talk about, like, this is our parenting style and this is what we agree on and this is what we don't agree on? Did you do that before the baby or do you find out as you go along? No, I'll say no. That was not something that was like, uh, I had more of a general overall understanding versus like actually breaking it down and discussing the way we're going to do A, B, C, or D, you know, anything from sleep

training to when they're going to get a phone, when they get sugar, like there's some different things as well as, I mean, we talked about discipline and I feel like Kristen is getting less and less and less as far as like zero discipline now. You can't, no timeouts, no nothing. You can't do it. There's never are repercussions. I am living in a bubble that she is and will always be my bestie. And there will not need to be repercussions like grounding and being sent to her room and things like that.

Because I am going to be so empathic with her and and understand when she's mad and angry and sad and all of the things and try to like just chat with her. Like that's that's amazing. But is it, but life will throw you things that is, you know, You know, like, you think that's how everything's going to go. But life will always, that's what I mean, I want to think that too. But then I'm like, oh, but I bet we'll get this because it'll test you in a certain way. You're already, but then Luke is going to have to be the stern one. And I can already then see the time when Kaya's like, I saw Dad cry for the first time in 21 years.

Like, it'll get to, because he's so stern. And then that will, and that will like rock Kaya because he's been like the strong stern one. I mean, I don't know. Like, you're eventually going to have. I don't know. She's going to do something wrong eventually. Oh, for sure. I'm living in La La Land.

I'm absolutely nuts. Like, I highly doubt that it's going to go the way that I am planning in my fantasy world that it will. But that's, you know, again, she's five months old. So I can get knocked into reality. I have, like, a few years until I can get knocked on my ass. And she's not been grounded yet, right, Lou? Do not have to ground yet. She's good.

By the way, watch out for her at BravoCon because people get crazy. Don't let her like, and do you introduce her to any, like, she's already met the cast of the valley, do you introduce her to any other Bravo Leberties as well? Like, who would you trust around Kaya and who would you be like, you know what? Let's keep her away from Vicki Gumbelson. Like, who is there anybody that, you know, you're like, I've got to have Kaya meet this. We're not parading her around BravoCon. She's going to be with my mom and sister. Oh, come on, like the Lion King where you hold her up again, like at the beginning of circle of life. Here's my daughter. At the valley panel, man. So she will make some degree of

backstage appearance and that's about it. Yeah, probably. Probably because. We're also weird about germs, mostly me. I'm very weird about germy people and people thinking that, like, you would want to think that people have the wherewithal to, like, not touch. But I don't know if they do actually have that knowledge. You know, if they see her, are they going to try to, like, touch her with a germy hand?

Like, I'm very Howie Mandel about germs when it comes to Kyat only. No, I mean, that's something you've got to think about it. Like, Rebecca's already like, we have to have everybody have their T-DAP shot before they even come into this room to touch this baby. And I'm like, okay, sure, sure, T-Dap, yeah, let's do that. We just don't let anyone touch her for the first two months. That's kind of what we did. No one kisses your baby. But what about family and stuff like that?

Oh, okay. Yeah, they get to come and, well, we're thousands of miles from any family, one. But I was also crazy. I was crazy. Like, my family came and saw Kaya when she was. four or six weeks old? More than four, six, right? No, we went to Indiana at eight weeks.

So it's like four or six weeks old, and it was my mom, my sister, and my brother, and we're on a group chat, and I was like, do not kiss my child. When you land, you cannot touch anything but her feet for at least the first 24 hours because I don't know if you have, like, sickness you got on the plane, you got COVID. Like, I don't know. You got the flu. I have no idea. Like, you got some disease I've never even heard about.

So I was, like, very crazy like that just in the first couple of months because they're just so susceptible to getting sick. And a little four-week-old baby that gets sick goes right to NICU. Like, there's no take her to the pediatrician and, like, give her some cough medicine. Like, it doesn't work like that. So until her first set of shots at two months, like, I was a total psycho. It's a baby with a fever. You say sick pretty generally. But if she has a fever, she goes to NICU.

But they're like. They're always congested. that, they're always congested. So like, don't, don't let that, you know, sway you into thinking like she's sick. But literally, that's, I think it's the one thing now that I'm such like a Reddit freak, never been on Reddit in my whole life. Being a mom, I'm on Reddit all the time because I can just like, really, it's like, Reddit's like a nicer place in Instagram for moms, I think. Okay. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's, well, I will say this too, is that you were so nice when you found out and reach out and you reached out to Rebecca and she so appreciated that, what I will say is, I wish we had a baby sooner.

Everybody's so nice to us. Like, wow. Like, you feel like you're part of some, like, sort of weird, like, under, I've never felt like part of a cool kids club. And, like, all of a sudden, people are like, I mean, nobody's ever said this, but the vibe is like, hey, I've usually hated you, but I really love that you're having a baby. So I'm willing to talk to you now. Like, it is so weird, but also so awesome because you feel way less alone, because I think that's the other thing, too, is that, like, oh my god we're doing this we're not like in our 20s we potentially are screwed all of these thoughts are going through your head and then you have everybody coming and going if you need help if you need this give us your baby registry give us this and i've always never wanted to like i never wanted

anybody to like go out of their way for me or like so i've had to like figure out how to deal with like people saying really nice things accepting help accepting compliments and yeah yeah all the love being sent to you. Totally. It's something really new and awesome, but at the same time, still appreciated. I'm telling you, it's like for me, out of everything, I've read the books, the websites, the Reddit, the whatever, parent, friends, hands down, best thing you could ever ask for. Because you can just like give condolences. You can commiserate. You can ask for help, advice, or like, what was it like for you guys? And it could be the same or it could be different. And it's just like I feel so seen with all of my parent friends.

I think it was like not like the full reason, but like a lot of the reason Lala and I really connected again because she was texting me, you know, we didn't speak for a while. And she was texting me constantly during my pregnancy, just being like, if you need this night nurse or if you need any advice or if you just need another mom to talk to. And we hadn't spoken in a year and a half. And I was like, you know what? I really do want that. of course with an apology and whatnot

but like it was like I really do want my friend back who is who's also a mom and like Danny and Nia for us I think having them as a couple has been like

the most valuable thing ever well I mean if you can travel to Santa Clarita I'm joking I'm joking I drank every time Danny said Santa Clarita last last season just you wait

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You know what? I will appreciate, no, I want to do, I mean, Luke is like the strong silent type, Luke was so nice and made sure that an interview with him happened and I will always appreciate that because like my podcast weirdly we're in like the top 20 of TV and film like we're so lucky because I'm a nobody and like I've worked really hard but like people like Luke doing those things are so nice because you know you know the I know the business at this point and you don't have to do those things so that is always appreciative listen Kristen I need you to wear a so bad it's good hat I'm tired of you wearing the good guy hat everywhere uh promoting that podcast. come on i'm the one that's always wearing a hat send one yeah well i'm just gonna send you i'm joking but to be honest you know what well in retrospect i did an interview with tom sandival pre scandevall and went over to his house you know when he had it with ariana and you know i'm friends with ariana i love her um and i i was talking about this with rebecca yesterday uh you know because i i really i was that weird guy that really like

looked up to Sandoval. I was like, man, this guy, because I'm a weirdo, I'm doing something weird with my life, doing a podcast about reality TV. And I was like, he's doing something weird. He's doing like a cover band and like, you know, and, you know, he's dressing like David Bowie or something. I was, I was really, I was like, yeah, I see the vision. And he had me over to their house.

And I was there. I mean, this thing, like, I finally had to tell him I had to leave at like two in the morning because he kept like, hey, let's do a shot. Let's do this. And he wanted to go like all. out. He was like, oh, this house, I built this here and I did this here. And he showed me the Tom Tom motorcycle and he showed me the chunky sweater. And so I was in heaven. I, you know, I've never been with a man, but if he had made a move, I would have that night. Like, I was so in love. I was so in love

with that experience. And I, that was such a cool thing. And then Scandal Ball happened. And I really kind of, you know, I was so, and that was like also my mom was dying at that time. And that I mean, I hit hard. Like, and that was like the one that was really important, but still that almost, that got really weirdly parisocial for me in a bad way, but I will always remember that interview as a very positive experience that as somebody that truly loves these shows, I felt like I had gotten like this golden ticket to have like, oh, wow, this is so cool. And it kind of lived up to this weird expectation I had.

but it also shows you of like you guys are just people like that's you know it's like you're not superheroes you know like and also a grown man i shouldn't be like idolizing you know stand of all or whoever you know it's like you know be be realistic about these things but that was that was one that meant a lot but my favorite bravo leberties like anybody on salt lake city right now i love like everybody on that cast is amazing it's switched like it's not as i don't have favorites as like I used to. It's kind of changed just because I talk about it so much and it's become work. But, you know, I'm always looking for somebody to admire. But it's hard on these shows because there's like stereotypes. Like this is a villain. This is a hero. This is the reliable narrator.

This is somebody you can't trust. This is somebody that has anger issues. And they put you guys have to as an audience member go, okay, well, what is the edit? What is the producers trying to show us? What did they not show us? And now because of podcasts like yours and, you know, other cast members' podcast. There's a 360 viewing experience that I always talk about where it's not just the show. Then I got to listen to your podcast. Then I got to listen to Sheena's podcast. Then I got to listen to Lala's podcast. I got to listen to Janet's podcast. I got there is so many, so much information coming at you where I just want somebody to tell me like just what happened. Like what? Just tell me what happened. That's it. I just want to know. Don't forget the after show. It's a whole other show.

Exactly. I love, by the way, your Valley after show. I would do episode recaps of just the after show you guys would reveal so much information on that after show too much too much it was so hard i think it was the hardest thing maybe almost ever in all of my years of reality tv was doing that valley after show not doing it necessarily but watching it back and then being like you said it felt like it was a reunion where you couldn't respond where you couldn't rebuttal that's what it felt like watching it is just frustrating for us on this side but and you guys had that great reunion Union, too. I mean, like, there were so many, I mean, the second season of the Valley, I think, will continue to grow in popularity. But at the same time, you have to face that. I just always call

it darkness, man, darkness. There's so much darkness in the second season. And then you were just shocked about all of the details you were given. Because a lot of times people will, like, these shows, will try to hide things or the characters will try to hide things from the audience. And it seemed like we're living in a post-candival era where now information is king. So everybody, like give me, give me all the dirt, give me all the pieces of information. And I don't know. I think I've become worse at my job in some ways because I've become more of like, dude, have you lived as a human on this earth? Do you know how hard it is to like not make mistakes? Do you know how hard? Do you know how many stupid things I do on a daily basis? Do you know how many times that I've

completely failed as a person? And I think the audience never, never stops and thinks about their own personal output, you know? They're just like, and it gives us this opportunity to judge people really, really harshly. Now, in some cases, it's like right there on the surface where you're like, I hope everybody judges this. But sometimes you're like, man, life is really complicated. And I think we all figure that out at some point. It really is twofold. That's a really good point. Like it is, it's there for entertainment and it's there as like an escape a lot of, a lot of like viewers and bands say it's like they want to escape what's going on. And their life for the moment and like watch this, this wild ride that is whatever reality show.

But then at the same time, it's like some people really want to relate to it. Like, oh, man, you've gone through this. Like, I'm going through this. Or like my sister went through that. And there's a lot of like empathy and sympathy involved. But it's kind of like one or the other. You know what I mean? It is weird because I've never, I've always said, well, I'm not going to take any cues on how to

live my life from these shows. But at the same time, you can't that. I mean, but at the same time, you can't discount how important some of those scenes are. Like when you had that scene with Nia about pregnancy and getting pregnant, you know, it's like, you know, I remember Rebecca being affected by that scene. I remember, and just because I'm not personally affected by that scene, you do realize you're like, oh, wow, that was powerful for people. Like, that's why I even love Salt Lake City. It'll be so silly. And then they'll have this kind of very intense scene where you'll understand psychologically the character.

a little bit more, and you'll be like, oh, wow, I have like a family person like that in my life that's really mean to me. You kind of can relate to it in that way. I think, though, with the valley, it's hard because once again, you have 11 seasons of Vanderpump rules. You know, you have these characters that, like, Jacks is a character. You have all of these people that a lot of people have grown up with. So, like our own family members, we feel very at ease about, like, just slamming the judgment on it, you know? Yeah. I mean, I feel like I can slam judgment on Jacks Taylor, too, though. So I think we're all on the same boat on that one.

Well, no, I think we are. But my prediction is eventually, if there's season four of the Valley, I predict Sandoval will be there eventually. I believe Jacks will come back to the show. I mean, I do think, you know, if this, I don't know. Like, because they left it open-ended. You guys obviously know more and can't say. But I really don't.

I really don't know any. I would say I'm in the same. boat you are like the thought of Sandoval, I don't know, Jack's, like, I don't know. I, we truly don't know more than you, but I will say I believe, I see the same trajectory. I think it'd be, I'll be surprised if Sandoval and Jacks aren't on it in the next couple seasons, assuming it's still going in a couple seasons.

Listen, I want Ken Todd to be a part of the valley at a certain point, you know? It's like, I can't believe I'm on the valley. I can't believe that. Give me away from Lisa. Does he come to the side of the hill? I don't know about that. He doesn't know the Valley exists. They do not know the Valley exists.

He does not at all. I don't think Lisa does either. She doesn't know who I am. Right. My baby daddy. Wait, what? We're engaged? What?

By the way, Luke, this is the weekend where you get to meet Lisa Vanderpump. And we got to get a picture of Luke and Lisa this weekend. Or not. I don't think that's a photo op. I don't think that's a photo op on my itinerary. Yeah. I'm the producer of your show, Luke. You must take a picture with me.

Oh, my God. Wait, okay. I have a last question. that has literally nothing to do with BravoCon or babies, but it's something that's really been on my mind and I need to know. I feel like, Ryan, maybe you'll know what this is. Can we talk about just for a second, six, seven? Guys, I don't know what it is. I don't get it. I have Googled it. I have looked it up on Instagram. I have read comments, people trying to explain what it is. And I still don't get it. The only thing that makes sense to me is like the whole thing

that it's the 67th element on the periodic table. No, it's not even that deep. It's not. It's not that deep. What did a kid say mid? Like you're not a 10? You're like six or seven. Yeah.

I mean, well, there's a little, like it's part of like brain rot slang. So it's like. What's that? That's society these days. Yeah, exactly. Well, the phrase doesn't really have a real definition. So like the lack of the meaning is the real point they say is it.

it's used to kind of describe something so-so or okay. So if I was like, oh, you know, I'm 6-7, like, you know, like, and the great thing about getting older, though, is I do not have to give a shit about 6-7. Like, I saw this, like, taking hold. I didn't feel any pressure to make a video. I didn't feel any pressure to make a comment or a silly joke. I'm like, have it. If you guys are having fun at 6-7, great.

I'll see you in a month when this passes. Yeah, I just don't understand it. It's been driving me. nuts because it just doesn't stop like on my feed like my feed is primarily baby stuff and then it is like pop culturey stuff and so this is constantly in my face like the jack in the box and the guy's like order number 67 and everyone like freaks out and some some you know basketball player shoots the winning hoop and he's number 67 and then everyone goes crazy and I'm like I don't understand like it hurts my brain because I can't wrap my head around it because you guys

Well, the dictionary named 6-7 its word of the year for 2025, which is insane to me because it's two numbers with a dash in between them. But that is the, and the dictionary.com, it says a nonsensical expression connected to a song and a basketball player. That's what's in dictionary.com. And the song, the song is about, I did look at this. Doot 6-7 by Scrilla. Which is, from what I've read, it's because the, you bury body. six feet deep and seven feet apart. Oh my God.

What? Yeah. Well, yeah, but or is that a conspiracy theory that like you, like, is it really about like the burying of the bodies? But yeah, because I think it's about like shooting a gun and then he's like six, seven. And then I don't know. That's what Google says, which is so dark. Keep Kyya away from all of it.

No, I saw all of this and I just was like, I don't have the energy to participate. Like, and I hope everybody's having fun if they do love it. Um, but it seems like we get like four of these a year where something will really get into the public consciousness through social media. Um, like my nephew knows about six, seven. My niece knows about six seven. My dad has no idea about six seven. Uh, like, uh, 17 and 15. Yeah. Teenagers. Yeah. It's like no cap. Right. No cap. I know what that means. Yeah. Yeah. But, but when no cap first came out, I didn't know what the hell it meant. I was like, no cap. I love baseball. My friend's son, who is. I know what. I know what is. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I know what. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was. Yeah. I was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh Yeah. I think at the time he was like 11, he explained a bunch of their little, like, words and their terminology to me. So he explained no cap. But like 6, 7, just, it's still not on my radar. But I don't know.

I figured if anyone would know, Ryan, maybe it would be you. Yeah. No. I mean, I hope every, like I said, I hope everybody's having a good time, you know, with their memes and all of that stuff. Oh, my God. I just, I hope my daughter appreciates reading and music and good, you know, like, I just hope there are certain things that, you know, because I even find myself addicted to screens, but there was a time

when I used to love to read. I found it so magical and, you know, just the freedom to like walk in the woods or to hide, you know, like those things, I really hope. I hope. It's all about balance. You know what I mean? Like the technology isn't going to be in their lives, the way that it's in ours, but maybe even more so. But I think we can bring the way we were raised and the way we grew up like keep implementing that into their lives so it doesn't just fully disappear knock on wood yeah i agree well cheers to bravo finally finally real quick i don't know if you guys already talked about this on the show tell me are you aware that fleetwood mac might reunite for the 50th anniversary like they might bring back lindsay bucky now oh yes absolutely the second that stevie like posted

about him it was like a couple months ago their album yeah like you know there are certain things get me excited, because I would love for them to end their careers together in some way. I find it would be very fitting. Would you guys consider taking Kaya to a Fleetwood Mac show if it was in the next, even if it was in the next year? Absolutely. I bought her baby headphones when I was, or no, maybe she was like a few weeks old. I bought her those baby headphones.

Earmuffs. Earmuffs. Sorry, I say headphones. The things that, yeah, noise canceling. Yeah. I bought her those like immediately because we talked about bringing her to a football game. But I would take her to Fleetwood Mac in it. Heartbeat.

By the way, there were two babies with earmuffs on on the row behind me on Sunday. At the NFL game. At the, yeah.

But yes, I mean, it would be like an absolute dream come true. And I would love to see them do, you know,

something for Christine McVee, like some sort of tribute. Because I, when I saw her solo, she does that, she does that part of the show where, I mean,

I don't know if she did it in the last time, but, well, she, no, I saw her dedicate landslide to Christine McVee.

Oh. And she had all the video montage. This was a couple years ago when she opened up for Billy Joel at the stadium by the forum. And it was so beautiful. It was like her first show back since Christy McBea died. And it was so beautiful. It was so sad. And with Fleetwood Mac, you really go, God, just imagine how many years that they've been in each other's lives and how important they are to pop culture and to people, but then also themselves of how many, you know, romances and fights and life has.

happened in between all of them. And so it really bummed me out when Lindsay Buckingham didn't leave the band. He was kind of forced out of the band. So I hope there can be some sort of resolution for a final act. Yeah. I mean, when I've seen Fleetwood Mac in concert, I've only, like, not just Stevie, but like when I've seen the band, I've only seen them as a whole band. Yeah. Like I was that like, same. Same. You know, that's that stretch when they were touring. So that would just make my whole life if like exactly like you said if they just end their career as a band the same way

you know if they just just like suck it up guys like yeah do it I mean just do it I mean first off don't even suck it up enjoy the millions of dollars enjoy the millions of dollars you will rake in from it but also just like lean on the fact that like people do need these things

in all of these crazy times and people do they have so much of their own mythology and their own romance and their own heartbreak built into I mean in a sense it's kind of like reality TV people have so memories of like, oh, I remember exactly when I watched this episode. This was happening in my life. And I just, I just turned on this season because it's my comfort season after a breakup. I mean, these things mean something to people. And that's like, kind of to me, the celebration

of BravoCon is like three days where people get to commiserate and celebrate like all of the weird shit that we like in one location, you know? Absolutely. One of my best friends, Rachel O'Brien, always used to say, because she's a huge Fleetwood fan, that Vanderpub Rules is like, the fleet would mac of reality television because like we all fuck we all fight but at the end of the day we're all family you know well it's i mean jury's still out on the all family i hope that to be true i really i love the thought of that so i lean into that because it should be positivity at the end yeah we shall see ah bravo con here we come ryan thank you for taking time yeah i hope i didn't bore your audience thank you so much i appreciate you guys even inviting me i really appreciate

I'm so excited. I can't wait to see you this weekend. Is this coming out today or tomorrow? This will be out, what's today? It'll be on Friday. Friday morning. Anybody listening to that's at BravoCon? Please, I can't wait to meet as many people as possible. So I'm like a weird guy with a big spray tan and I'm a little bigger and I have curly hair. So feel free to come up and I'd love to chat with you about anything.

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