Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - Flashback to Lindsay Hubbard Tells All

Episode Date: December 20, 2025

Episode 174. This week on the pod, Kristen is joined by none other than Lindsay Hubbard from Summer House! Lindsay gets real and raw about life after baby—from the major identity shift to her big "aha" moment. She opens up about co-parenting, body image struggles, and whether baby #2 could be in her future. Lindsay also spills the tea on if she is dating, breakups, and that explosive moment that took place before what was supposed to be her wedding day. Plus: - Where Lindsay stands with her ex(s) now - Her response to a very recent Summer House castmate’s interview - Could a friendship be on the table? Also, Kristen talks about where she and Luke are thinking about moving and potential locations for their wedding! Tune in for all the details and so much more! Sponsors: Nutrafol: For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code DOUTE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Change the Conversation. When you're flying Emirates business class, sampling our range of vintage wines from the largest selection in the skies, you'll see that your vacation isn't really over until your flight is over. Fly Emirates, fly better. Welcome back to another episode of Balancing Act, and it is really nice. to be back. Talking to you guys is it's like my me time because as a new parent to a newborn and having two dogs, me time is just a little few and far between right now. Not complaining, but you know, I'm just getting into the swing of things. Today's guest, oh, I am so excited. Today's guest is a summer house star, an amazing new mom. Owner of Hubhouse Nashville, my friend and your

favorite, Lindsay Hubbard. I am always grateful to Lynn's as a friend and as a fellow reality personality for keeping it so real and for doing balancing act because she hasn't been doing many interviews. So I'm really excited for you guys to listen to our conversation. Let's just get into it. Lindsay Hubbard, everyone. I'm so happy. You look so gorgeous. I had, I went into the studio. Thank you, by the way. I went into the studio for a confessional. Which we know as interviews, but I always use the term confessionals for, like, the general public. Yeah. But, yes, it was my first confessional of the season.

And I don't know. I was like, I actually when we, you canceled yesterday and I was like, yes, tomorrow's better. I'll have my hair and makeup done. Like, I don't even know if you show the video of this, but. Yes, absolutely. And it's so, that's what I love about you and I've been trying to get you on here forever, but you were pregnant and you were filming and Kai might cry, dogs might bark. But you're pregnant, you're filming. I've tried to get you on, but I just know you.

And it's so easy where I'm like, whenever you can do it, it's fine. And now that I'm a mom, been a mom for almost seven weeks, like I get it more now. And I'm just like, yeah, whatever needs to happen. this is like one of those big aha light bulb moments oh yeah no i today was like a day from hell so it was like back to back for me so i was like i'm ordering wine i didn't even have time to go to the wine store i know girl i ordered wine yesterday when you said that i was like i had delivery yesterday because i don't leave my house yeah no it and you will continue not leaving your house but when you the big aha moment that I was like in my mind like I get it now like I feel so bad that if I ever

put any pressure on any of my friends who are parents moms new moms I feel awful because you're like in the throes you're trying to figure out how to be a mom yeah I personally was having like an identity crisis. I mean, you and I, I feel like are very similar and like we're fiercely independent, strong minded, highly opinionated, you know, and I also like are, we're paving our own path, right? We've had similar journeys of like romances, public breakups, makeups, this and that. Like the whole world has taken a front row seat.

to our like trying to become adult phase of life and then you become a mom and you're like oh shit like now I I totally get what happens like and I feel bad that like if I ever put any pressure on any other mom ever but I don't know maybe did this happen to you like did you have an identity crisis oh I literally it's like One of the first things I wanted to ask you, I was going to text you about it. And I'm like, you know what? She's going on the podcast. Because yes, I, and I want to know, like, what is to come for me, like, where you're at now. Because pregnancy feels like so long ago. And the person that I was before baby, before, before, Kaya, before pregnancy feels like a million years ago. And I am like,

I still want to have moments of her like I'm still me like I'm still the me that I always was like who I was, you know, the way I was raised and all of that. But I'm a completely different adult than I was a year ago. Correct. And it's very wild. So I want to hear like how it how it's been for you and like what it's kind of going to be like for me because I yeah, I just feel it completely different. Yeah. I would say okay. So like you're you give birth. right? Let's just start there because we don't need to go through the whole pregnancy. Right. We need to go back there. But you give birth and then you like take this baby home and you're like,

okay, now what do I do? And now I have to keep this baby alive. And like you don't have to take a test to become a mom or a parent. Like everything else in life you have to take a test for and pass it to get into that profession. Being a mom is hard work. Taking care of a baby is hard work. And everything changes. Like, Things that happen when we were kids are completely different. Now there's like gentle parenting. There's so many new inventions. A lot of it is actually helpful for us.

But it's also like, wait, what? Like, I don't know what I'm doing. Oh, for sure. Dude, when they literally handed me the, when they handed me Kaya to like, obviously I have it. Like, you know, you're walking out of the hospital. And we get home. And of all the preparation, all the stuff I have.

Like all the things I prepared, I, you know, physically, literally prepared for, I'm like, I haven't, it's just up to me now. And I have to raise this human being that's going to be an adult one day that's going to like have their own family and like, oh, but right now I just have to raise a baby. So I like, you know, my parents don't live close by. They're in Florida. My baby daddy. His parents are not close by. They're in another state. So we have to like hire our help.

Like we don't have help around us. And we did have a baby nurse, a 24-hour nurse. She lived with me in my apartment. That was very helpful because she taught a lot. Is that why you had a bed in Gemma's room at the last apartment? Yeah. Okay. I was wondering that.

I'm like, do you sleep in there? It was when I was pregnant. And I'm like, what happens? Do I need a bed? I can ask the one? But I didn't have. have a baby nurse, then yeah, I probably wouldn't have gotten a bed in a very small room, but I wanted, I need education. Like, I need someone to teach me. Like, I don't know this is like

all new to me. What do people do before Google? What did they do before the internet? Like, what did they do? I don't understand. But like in the beginning, you're just like, you know, and for me, my experience, like, I was, I was like, okay, like, I just. had a baby. Yes, I have help, but I also, like, I want to absorb and learn as much as possible. I'm a very hands-on person. I also, and, you know, you're obsessed with Kaya. I'm obsessed with Gemma. Like, I want to be around her. And, like, I was breastfeeding. You don't have help just to take care of your child. Like, it's not like you're passing her off and go, here, babysit my baby 24-7. It's like to help educate you so you can see what's happening. Yeah. And, like, that is actually, like,

very responsible thing that I was able to afford. And listen, if I didn't, I would have figured it out. We all figure it out. Like, no problem. But for me personally, like in the beginning, I was just, it's like survival mode. Like you're, you don't know when you're sleeping, if you're sleeping. I was breastfeeding in the beginning for the first three months. And if not breastfeeding, breast pumping.

And like you're beholden. to this schedule of like I got a I got a pump I got a pump I got a feed I got a nurse and you know I couldn't really leave my apartment I was having an identity crisis because I'm used to being this like fiercely independent like get up and go especially in New York my girlfriends would be like hey I'm in the neighborhood let's meet for a glass of wine hey like can you do dinner in an hour like hey this and that all of a sudden I can't do that no big deal I understand that comes with the territory but yeah you're not it's not a complaint thing it's just like such a whirlwind change of not being able it's not even not being able like oh god why we're we're being so like

nervous because of these you assholes who might come after us for saying this but like i know exactly what you mean it's just like such the quick change of you are a slave to a schedule that neither you nor your baby no because you're figuring it out together totally and like what's also was concerning like I didn't know if I was going to have a job this year right like I didn't know if I was going to be back on summer house I didn't know like where my money was going to come from now I have a baby I have to financially provide for her of course I'm doing okay right but like I'm also having body image issues like my body just went through a lot in the last year like I was like out to here but you know I look back at those hospital pictures and I was like you know like

even the last like three days to a week, you're like, oh my God. Like I really like, it hit me. Thank you for saying that because that was something that was really crazy for me that I like at six months I thought I was big. At seven months I thought at eight, da da da da da da da. And the last like week to two weeks, a couple of days, I was mind blown. It was something that I feel like I was never told that you maybe you just have to experience.

Well, we're here to tell you if you're pregnant or getting pregnant like it's no joke. drop in for that last week because it is wild yeah yeah and it just i mean listen like i'm very blessed i had an easy pregnancy i had a very good and easy labor delivery it was always like the things that like always affected me were like the outside world of like which is like partially self-inflicted right like i'm over here like what if i'm not on summer house next year what does that look like, you know, I, how am I going to make my money? It's your livelihood. It makes sense.

Totally. Yeah. That is my livelihood, right? And, oh, what happened? You know, now I'm trying to become a new mom. I'm also, like, trying to figure out how to, like, breastfeed and breast pump and, like. And just be Lindsay again. Like, what does Lindsay look like?

Like, Lindsay with Gemma, but, like, who is Lindsay now? Like, Lindsay's still Lindsay, but Lindsay's so evolved now. It's like this whole evolution of your identity. I saw this Instagram post recently. and it spoke to me so hard because it was like you're literally mourning the loss of who you once were

and you have to like re-meet who you are. Like I'm not the same person just how you walked in and said I'm not the same person I was a year ago. Neither am I. And also like what is that cadence? Yeah.

Like phone calls. I can't answer text messages for the first time in my life. Totally. I don't know how to call people back because I'm like, in the throes of it. I'm like doing all of these things and I'm like losing who I am because it's not the same person. And you're simultaneously mourning the loss of who you were, but also like

meeting the new version of yourself and accepting it. Yeah. And celebrating this really cool addition to who you are. Exactly. Exactly. So the beginning for me was just, I know, was like a very long-winded version of like yeah but it's like you took it out of my brain and put it into words words are hard words are hard especially after you give birth like i i also like i'm known for having a fantastic memory because you have to have a fantastic memory on reality tv if you plan on succeeding yep and remembering all the things that people do to you and putting it back in their face yeah so mom brain is real right does it get any better no it's got And worse for me, Kristen, I'm like, I forget people's names that I've known for years.

And I'm like, what's their name? What's their name? And I'm like, how did I forget this person's name? They're a really good friend of mine. Yeah. The holidays get busy so fast. And this year, I've been trying to give gifts that actually feel thoughtful, that feel supportive. Neutral has become part of my own self-care routine.

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Then you throw on top of that. I went through a breakup in the middle of being postpartum. I had to plan a move. I was trying to figure out how to like wean off of breastfeeding and pumping. So what no one tells you is how long it actually takes to wean. I don't know where you're at in your feeding journey. I kind of dried up. I didn't really have.

I wasn't producing a lot. I was doing well enough to give her a few bottles of day in the beginning, and now I can't even make one a day. So I just, I stopped like a few days ago. Like I stopped pumping a few days ago. And it's like. Yeah. They're chilling. Yeah. No. So I didn't really start getting my mind and my body back in addition to like not having to like be on this like three hour schedule when I stopped pumping and breastfeeding. Because if you think about it scientifically, and I'm no doctor so do not quote me on this um but like the hormones stay inside of you when while you're producing milk right absolutely like they have you have to produce milk like the hormones are still inside

of you once you dry up the hormones can finally start leaving your body and then even still like it takes a few months yeah i mean we do a huge like hormone like a hormonal drop happens when our placenta leaves our body if you're not doing like placenta supplements and that but you still have all these hormones like estrogen et cetera like in order to be able to provide but yeah so i can't imagine doing what you were doing and like actually being able to breastfeed and pump regularly and then the wean off like where mine just kind of it's just such a different thing where i i was kind of like oh well it's not really there to begin with you know that had to just be such a mind fuck well i i i i was happy to stop were you because i just yeah i was like i really just need i was

ready. My goal was to go like two to three months. Like I wanted to just get her to her like first vaccine's appointment. And I went like three, a little over three months. So like three months in a week or something. Because it took so long to wean and no one told me that. Like I was like, is this. And I wasn't producing like all this milk. It wasn't like like, I wasn't like, you know. Like shooting it out of your nips. Yeah. Like the tots weren't just. Yeah. I wasn't. shooting out of my nips. I just was like, oh, shit. Like, this is taking longer. I also had gotten like mastitis a couple of times and was, and that was terrible. So, I mean, it was, it was fine. Like, I can't complain because I live a very blessed life. But I also am a human. Exactly. You're still human

and you're allowed, you're allowed to have the feelings and the fears and the holy shits and the like, damn, that was hard. Yeah. It's how he felt about pregnant. It's like you're allowed to love to be pregnant and be so grateful to be pregnant, but also say, I fucking hate pregnancy. And I know you didn't feel that way as much. Like, I fucking hated pregnancy. And I got a lot of shit for it for being public, like publicly saying that. But it wasn't fun for me. Oh, wow.

I didn't know that. It was a means to an end. Like, I couldn't have been more grateful. I wanted to be pregnant. But I didn't enjoy the process. So what? Just. And it's the same thing with newborn trenches.

Like you don't have to enjoy newborn trenches. or enjoy breastfeeding or like, you know, not wanting to restfeed, like being over it, like kind of like being ready to not anymore and not be like an amazing, grateful, awesome parent. Like every two things, three things can be true at the same time. You know what I mean? Right. Totally. No.

I mean, my baby was fed no matter what. And your baby. I'm obsessed with her. I know. She's like such a literal angel on earth. She's the cutest thing ever, ever. And it makes me look forward to what Kaya's going to be doing, like, sitting up and like the sounds and just all the videos that you send me of Jemma. And I'm like, oh, my God, I can't wait.

I cannot wait to have those. I can't post her on social media. So I have to do it old school, you know, where I'm just like, here's my daughter. Is that a thing with baby daddy? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I mean, he's the way I swing it, which is, yeah, he's private. I'm public. Dad's private, mom's public. Like, what does that make baby? And, you know, it's been a very

long journey, a lot of conversations. But to me, it's like, I have to pick and choose my battles in life. And like, it's just not one that I feel like fighting him on, even though, like, for us, it's very natural. Like, for anyone who's on reality TV, it's all we know and we're trained and is in our DNA to share and be open and share our lives publicly. And then all of a sudden I found myself in a relationship with a very private person. And I was like, oh, God, what do I do with this? And then it was like, then I had a baby with that very private person. And he's like, yeah, no, that's you're not, you have a very public Instagram.

Like, no. And so then I'm like, well, what the hell? Like, I'm very proud of my daughter. I'm excited. She's like, you know, my baby. I created her, my body created her, my organs created her. She lives inside of me for 10 fucking months. Like, I'm, I love this girl.

Like, I want to show her off. And, you know, it's just been a long process, but it's just not a fight that I feel like fighting. So, yeah. So you guys are co-parenting. You're just co-parenting. You're not dating anymore. How is it going? Not dating.

You know, we have a very good. We're, like, really good friends, which I don't know how I learned how to compartmentalize a lot of feelings since having a good. Yeah. Because I don't know what it is about me, but why can't I ever get rid of my exes, you know, like one X I film with on the weekends and then the other X is my baby daddy. So I'm just like, now I'm in this, somehow I'm in a phase of like, I'm never getting rid of my exes. Yeah. So, I mean, are you going to do you feel like? you're ready to date, not like a boyfriend or whatever, but do you feel like you're ready to

go on dates? I mean, you have Gemma. I get it. You have Gemma. You have work. You're fucking busy. Right. But do you want to date? Okay. Well, to finish the, the, my relationship with my baby daddy, we have a really good relationship. We are great co-parents. He's a phenomenal father, very present, active, involved, obsessed as much as me. And we communicate very well. Do we have disagreements? Yes, we do. Are we different in our lifestyles? Yes, we are. But it is something that, like, we have figured out. I'm actually like, I am proud of myself about is being able to compartmentalize in the sense of like, I'm not going to put my feelings at the forefront of this. I'm going to put my baby first.

And, like, that is the difference, like, between old Lindsay and new Lindsay is, like, old Lindsay would be like, no, fuck off, go away. Like, never come over again. Lindsay with a baby, I'm going to put Gemma first no matter what. Like, it's really important for her to have, like, a good, solid relationship with her dad. I grew up with my dad. I, of all people, understand that. And, like, imagine going through a breakup.

in the middle of postpartum. I can't even. And then putting your feelings aside, but making, but you still have to see that person every morning, every evening. Like, you are making sure that, like, Gemma is unaffected, like, that nothing is changing in regards to her because consistency is important. And I am proud of that in the sense that, like, Gemma is the happiest, healthiest, smile-iest, most energetic, active, advanced little baby angel on earth that you can ever

imagine. And that is the fucking evolution of Lindy Hubbard right there. Period. Period. Fucking period. I mean, seriously. The level of patience that I have learned. And it's like not patience with like a kid.

It's patience of like life. Yeah. You know. my God, I couldn't agree more. I'm the most impatient person on the face of the planet, except for with my dogs. But like, I have learned to be so patient with life. Just whatever it is that's coming at me. Not to say I don't have like internal meltdowns, but even patient with yourself, even patient with like people around you, patient with like caregiver, you know, just like understanding that like all we have in life is time. Yeah. All we have is time.

that's all we have like there is no rush there's no need like for and all you have to do is just like take a deep breath and then just move yeah but dating okay dating I would say here's where I'm at okay tell me I don't date I don't time to date I like do you want to make out with someone do you want to like do you want to text flirt do you want you know what I mean it yes I do Okay. Yes. Thank you for asking me very specific questions to help prompt my brain because the answer is yes, I do. But what happened to me like after having a baby, like, you're, and I don't know. I don't know if you're even willing to share your like sex life or whatever. But like I'm not, I'm not like dying to have sex. My libido is even like, yeah. Like you're in survival mode. You're like, my brain is elsewhere. My brain is not on that. So therefore, and men and women are totally different.

Like, I have to be, it's not that I don't think Luke is so hot and, and I'm attracted to him and like, I love him and all the shit. But like, my brain is everywhere else. So it's really hard. Yeah. Like, my brain is not on, like, it's just not a priority for me. And I had to work through so many different things. Again, in addition to learning how to become a mom and, um, going through a brain. break up and, you know, trying to figure out the breastfeeding and pumping and then dealing with

a move and then trying to like figure out like a brand new neighborhood and like friends for my daughter and my nanny and, you know, like a new cadence and who are my friends anymore? I don't even know. Like trying to figure everything out at once. Like, yeah, do I want to like make out with a guy? That would be amazing because I feel like I also deserve love and affection. but I'm just not prioritizing it so much so that it's like you're not seeking it out of course yeah but if something if someone fell into your lap to have a temporary like cute like a meet cute type of a situation I think that would be fun for you but not on a level like a priority level yeah I'm glad you're open like you're not you're not like doors closed yeah and I feel

like we're in like we're in a new era right like I don't think I'm not like oh no who wants to date me. I have a kid. No, fuck that. I actually think it makes me more attractive than I have a kid. Absolutely. Bless it. Because, and here's why, right? I was going about dating probably in all the wrong way. In the most backwards fucked up way, clearly you watched all of my relationships fail and fall apart on national television because I was probably going about them in the wrong way. but we as women can't help it like we do have a biological clock yes i have eggs on ice yes i froze them at 35 three years ago but no matter what i still have a biological clock so in my mind you have to like you have to date then you have to i mean if you want like a traditional path which

i had real high hopes and dreams but that is not what the universe that's planned for me if you want a date and then like move in together and then get engaged and then married and then have kids right right like that's a long fucking process yeah however now i have the ultimate end goal i have my baby i have my family we have an incredible dad for her like i don't even need a dad for her i can now go out and date and find someone take my time first of all i can fuck around and find out as long as They're wearing, got to wear a condom. Yeah. You're like, we're not going to again.

Earth control. I can look around and find out. I can just have fun. I, the pressure is off. I'm not looking for the one. And I have like a whole new pool of people open to me where it's like hot, single dad's divorced dads. Maybe he's a little bit older.

Maybe he has older kids. You know, no one's going to date me and be like, oh, God, like, she's going to want a kid soon because she's 38. Nope, I have my kid. I'm good. We good. I just want to have fun. I just want to have fun.

So I'm obsessed with your mindset. You're like, you look so happy. I know you're happy. But like everything is just like checking out right. Well, I mean, here's the thing. It's like it's kind of fucked up though. It's like everything is always backwards in my life because I now have the correct mindset. I don't have the time.

You inspire me not to freak the fuck out because you're like, yeah, all these things went wrong, but like, it's cool. You just, life is good. Shit happens. Life is good. Well, what's the alternative? What am I going to do? Tushay.

Like, am I just going to, I mean, do I have time to date? No. Do I want to have time to date? Sure, at some point in the fall, maybe. But like, it's so down on the totem pole. And if that guy falls in my left, right. Yeah. If he doesn't, whatever.

I love that you guys are truly like saying friends that he is being a good co-parent because I, I mean, damn, single moms, like, I don't know how I could do it without Luke's help. And even with Luke's help, like, I'm such a control freak where I want him to help, but I want him to just know exactly what to do to help me. Don't make me tell you. And also, even when he does it, like, and he does it perfectly. like I probably could have just done it like faster or I like I want to control everything. It's just I don't know if this is like a me thing where I'm like I know what she wants kind

of a thing but I'm also like but why don't you want like do you want to help you just do you you want to change diapers right? He's like of course I'll change diapers. Like if you're asking me if I want to change every poopie diaper like no but I absolutely will. Do you know what I'm saying? It's like he's such an amazing dad but I'm like the crazy one because I want to do it all and I don't want to give up control, but I really want him to help also. And he does. I think you just got it. You need your sanity and you have to give up the control.

I think it's like such a new thing, too, though. Like she's six weeks old. So. I mean, listen, I, you also struggled tremendously. You had your fertility journey was long and windy. And you never, you didn't know if it was going to happen for you. Right. It's like I'm trying to find perfection.

And I'm now just now realizing, like my, I just told you before we were recording, like, I have a girl, Luke's in Colorado. I have a girlfriend in town. One of my friends of like from Michigan of over 20 years. And her energy, my friend Kelly, it's like, she's the softest, like, coolest. She's like this little boho, like, chill energy. Her kids are a little bit older. And she's just like, you just got to like let her sleep on her own. Or like maybe she wants that.

Like just kind of let go a little bit. And like, it's okay. she cries like it's going to happen you know everything's not as hard as they're stressful as I think it might be or I might be making it like trying to fix it all all the time like it doesn't have to be that way okay well let me ask you this like I know that fertility comes into play with this answer but like would you want to have a second if you could yes absolutely I want to for sure the issue right now is the thought of getting pregnant even in the next next. I mean, I obviously don't know how I feel six months from now or a year from now, but

the thought of that is like terrifying. Like I am, today right now, I am not ready to get pregnant again. And I mean, give birth seven weeks ago. Yeah, exactly. And Luke is like, but you're so fertile right now. And like, the sooner, the better. And I just don't feel equipped. But again, I don't know how I'll feel in six months or a year. I also, I get like my friend Nia was like, I want my body back. So if I'm going to have a baby, I'm going to just do it, get it done and then get my body, my brain, my everything back. And I do get that because if I could even get pregnant in two years, do I want to wait that long and then start this whole thing, like in my mid 40s? It's really just a mind fuck. Like I don't know the right answer,

you know, like I'm kind of figuring it out every day. Okay. So you guys are definitely going to go for a second. We'd like to. Yeah. I mean, we're going to try for sure. If the fertility gods are in my favor and there's baby dust in my future and it all works out that way with, you know, if we have to do hormones and IUI again and all of that, no problem. It wasn't as scary as I thought. But I'm, it's like if it doesn't happen, I'm okay. Yeah. Because I have her. Yeah. I feel pretty okay. Do you feel like you want another ever? I mean, If I were to have, I think I would have to be with someone who I just, maybe not married, right? But like, I would have to be with someone who I live with and is going to be in my life for a very long time to have, and like living together.

Yeah. Because you and Turner never did. Like you guys lived really close to each other. We lived really close together. And then, um, My last month of pregnancy, he basically, like, stayed at my apartment every single night because it's like, you don't really know what's going to happen. And then he lived with me for the first six weeks. That's amazing. And things are just physically really difficult when you're that pregnant and that newly, like newly a mom. Things are literally physically difficult to do. Like, you mean have sex or? No, I mean, just your life, like going in. I was like, that was not a problem. going and making food or like, you know, you need help with the baby, of course, but even at the end

of pregnancy, like tying your fucking shoes. Like everything is hard. Oh, yeah. No, Turner had to tie my shoes. He had to do everything. Yeah. But yeah. So I think if I were to have a second kid, I would have to be really in love with someone who I live with. And that would be in my life for a very long time. because I just, it would be really too hard to be, like, solo, single mom, like, with two. And I do have friends like that. And I know you have friends like that too. Like, like, Lala does it, right? Right.

But Lala's mom lives with her. Right. And my friend Meredith also, like, her mom lives with her. So it's like if you have family sort of co-parenting with you, it's a lot different than just actually. Like, that's why I say I bow down to single moms, like absolute fucking one. They're incredible, especially single working moms. I mean, that's wild. Mind-blowing.

Okay, so, hmm, so. Uh-oh. Wait, I need to pour another glass of wine. Hold on. I need you to pour a glass of wine because I need a question answered. What are you going to ask me? Well, it's, it's about your ex because he just recently did a podcast. And, I mean, if you haven't read it, it came out today that I saw.

And I'm just curious, your thoughts. Okay, lay it on me. Okay. So Carl just recently said that he's, in quotes, like, never wanted to close the door completely on a friendship with you. And as you, Lindsay, continue to move on and date people, that there's an opportunity for you guys to be friendlier. And so I didn't really know what you move in. Okay, so you don't know either. It's literally, it's word for word what he said.

Wait, wait, re-read it to me. He said that he's never one to close the door completely on a friendship with you. And as you continue to move on and date people, that there's like move on, I guess, in your life, I'm guessing, I don't know, but that there's an opportunity for you guys to be friendlier. And I'm like, does he have a girlfriend? Is like that what it's about? Like, you guys should both be dating someone. or like, what the hell does you being single or not being single have anything to do with you guys being

friends or not? I have like a whole baby. Yeah. He just did Radio Andy and said that. So I'm like, what does that even mean? I don't know what that means. Okay. But how do you feel about ever being having a friendship with Carl?

Friendship is a very strong word when it comes to my relationship with him. um yeah i think that he should probably get his i'm still getting certain mail from him so i think that's a first start um i think a second start would be um i mean listen like Carl never if this guy wants to be friendlier he needs to like make a men for things he did in the past, right? Like, I watched last season. We all watched it. He continued to villainize me.

He continued to talk about me, him and his mom. He talked about how I was, like, giving him jabs. And I'm like, what? Like, I didn't even, I barely looked him in the eyes all summer. The one time I spoke to him was because that girl he was trying to date fucked up his timeline and said that she started talking to him that the summer before when we were still engaged. That was like the only thing that I really like.

Yeah. And we all watched. We all heard. We all know. Yeah. So like if you want to have a friendlier relationship, then stop villainizing me and victimizing yourself. Let's start there.

How about like you've never, he's never sat me down. face to face to be like, hey, that breakup was terrible and I am so sorry with how I handled it. Yeah. The breakup, we can all agree that that breakup was the best thing to happen for both of us. For me, for you. Absolutely. Absolutely. Wouldn't have gotten to Gemma if that breakup never happened. Wouldn't own a house in Nashville if that breakup never happened. Wouldn't start like achieving, you know, my personal goals if that breakup never happened. But it did. We can all agree the breakup was the best for all of us.

Everyone involved, viewers included. However, how he handled the breakup was so fucked. And it was like really cruel and disrespectful. And it's just not something that you do. to your fiance, that you're marrying in two months. It's not something that you do to your partner. But even more than that, it's not something you do to your best friend of eight years. And that is where I draw the line. Like, so if you want to be friendlier, then maybe you should apologize to my face for how you handled this breakup. You know, like he went around being like,

I don't think she's over it. Why do I? have to be. Am I over Carl as a person? Yeah, that happened pretty quickly because I realized the person he was. Do I have to be over how he broke up with me? No, I don't. And I don't know if I will ever get over how he broke up with me. That man publicly humiliated me on purpose, on national television. And he did it. He basically like dumped me at the altar. Like, two months before our wedding after I had spent so much money and time planning this thing. So why do I have to be over how he broke up with me? Why do I have to be over him causing me trauma?

Well, I guess a good step would be him sitting me down and saying, I am really sorry for how I handled that breakup. I should not have done it that way. I should have like done it privately and then you know I don't know anything I understand we're on fucking television I understand our job is as a reality you deserve and want and I'm sorry without and I'm sorry but not an I'm sorry but or I'm sorry why why this is why blah blah blah it's just and I'm sorry I guess I thought about our friendship of almost a decade would have taken precedent over the show and it didn't well yeah because I'm sorry we're on we're all we've both been on a show

for a very long time and he could have very easily had that conversation with you like you said in private and then said but as you know we're now going to have to talk about it so then it's it's something as simple as like is like you guys this is the way kind of tv works it's like you you know tell Amanda about it and then you're like you know Amanda this is what just happened and then even you and Carl talk about it again on camera and you're not pretending you didn't happen to begin with but you know you had the conversation in private and now you're going to talk about it again on camera because that's what we do but I totally agree with you there has to be there the level of respect was like zero to none like nothing and it really pissed me off no there was nothing

it really pissed me off too and also yeah you deserve an apology well just to be like look like I handled that poorly, like I should have handled it very differently. And that would be a good I mean, this is literally he broke up with me and didn't even call me. Yeah, it's weird as fun. I'm not even joking. It's so weird. It's so weird. Like, my, it's so weird. Like, we lived together. We were best friends for eight years. We were dating for two years, engaged to be married in two months. And then he breaks up with me on national television and then goes around playing victim as if I'm the one who broke up with him. Yeah.

His mom shows up to his own, like, his event that I'm not even at telling West and Jesse, like, the last year has been so hard. The breakup's been so hard. Do you guys not remember, like, you're the one who broke up with me? I know. On national television and humiliated me, like, left me in the door, like, and then didn't even call me or, so, like, it took my best friend, Danya. from D.C., like she, I mean, she was really connected to our relationship.

She was, like, in the running to be one of our officiants. If, you know, if anyone was to officiate, she was, like, up there, but she was also pregnant, so whatever. But she had to call him and be like, what are you doing? How have you, it's been three weeks and you haven't even picked up the phone to call Lindsay and check on her? Like, she's not well, my man. and she's not okay.

And you haven't even called her. And it took my best friend calling him to then have him call me. And that's when I agreed to meet with him. And when I met with him, after three weeks after the breakup, he like couldn't even take any accountability. It was like, deny, deny, deny.

And I was just like, I can't, like, get out of my face. Like, I'm so over this. And after that, I was like, The door, you know, the door is always open. Well, Carl, you know what to do, bro. Listen, the door is closed and you have the keys. You just have to use them. Yeah.

Well, bless it. Speaking of just the show, I know, like, I can't talk about the Valley. You can't talk about Summer House. My listeners know how it is. It just, it is, it is what it is. But just in regards to filming, I meant to ask you this. Because Turner is so private, you obviously were pregnant on camera, which I cannot imagine. And our viewers of the Valley are like, oh, wait, are we going to see you pregnant?

I got pregnant right after filming. So I cannot imagine what it was like to be pregnant during filming. But you seem like as me watching Summer House, like you were so great. Like you were joyful and you were fun. I had the best time. Yeah. Is Gemma going to be able to be on Summer? house at all. Or you don't know yet. Or you can't tell us. I am so trying to figure out everything

with Gemma and filming. So I can't really talk about that. Okay. That's fair. Well, because I know Walla couldn't have Ocean film before because of Ocean's dad. And so that was like a thing. And some people don't want their kid on. And some people, you know what I mean? But I also know you can't talk about Summer House next season yet. So that is also a good answer, but I just wanted to throw it out there. I will give you a little insight or give like the listeners a little insight. So like Bravo is a network and most networks. I don't know how other networks work because I'm not on any other network.

But Bravo, like you have to have both parents sign if the child is not an adult. So if you have like a child film, both parents need to sign an appearance release for that child to film. So yeah. So if you want Kaya to film, both you and Luke is Luke, because I know you guys aren't married, but like he's on the birth certificate. Yeah. Yeah, he's on the birth certificate. You officially declared him as the father, paternal, whatever. So, but I think filming while I was pregnant.

I, again, I was blessed with an easy pregnancy. My first trimester, I didn't have any sickness. I thought, I was sure I was having a boy because of that. It turns out was having a girl. When we filmed Summer House, it was during my second trimester. So I had more energy. I was through the testing. It was probably like, thank God, somehow that timing worked out.

because if I was filming my first trimester, I wouldn't have talked about it. I would have been stressed the whole time. Like, I wouldn't have been drinking and then people would have been, it just would have been too much. You can't see any physical changes, really. The second trimester, I had more energy.

Every week I showed up to the summer house, like I was like bigger and bigger. You could physically see me growing and growing. So the whole house felt like they were going through this pregnancy with me. Well, and as in the viewers, too, it was so cool. And as your friend, like, someone who got pregnant, literally at the very tail end of your pregnancy, it was so cool for me to watch. I saw you. You saw me the day, the day that I found out. Yeah. And no one knew but me. Like, we were at, we were at the Us Weekly Reality TV Star Awards, whatever. I was like, I was like. You were about to pop. It was your last trip, right? It was your last trip. trip before you gave birth. It was my last trip. I was like nominated or like recognized by us weekly as like the top reality stars of the year. I it was I was like solo. You know,

Kyle was DJing, but I was like, on my own like just having a good time. You showed up and you were like, oh my God, sorry I didn't get back to you. Like I had a doctor's appointment and and you're like, I'm going in the morning to like see if I'm actually pregnant or not. And I was like, oh my God. And then I didn't hear from you. I know. You were like so. Hello. I was like, hello. Like a week later, I'm like, did it not take? Like I don't want to ask. This is not my place. But I was also like invested. Right. And I, well, and I trusted you so much because I'm like, she's never going to tell a soul. Never. Not that you would anyway, but mostly, yeah, It was like, oh, my God, I was so happy to have you.

And I'm so, like, I'm so grateful for you. And I want to really say that publicly, like, so grateful that I had you from, like, day one of my pregnancy to just, like, ask so many questions for you to give me advice. And then even, and then since Kaya was born, like, you've just been, like, you know, X amount of steps ahead of me. And it's so fresh in your mind. And you're so gracious and generous with suggestions. And you do it the way that I like.

Like you do you and I are just so similar where it's like, you don't push it on me, but you don't go like, well, do you want to know? Like you just go, look, this is what worked for me. This shit didn't. And it's just been such a breath of fresh air. And I know that it's okay for me to be like kind of crazy sometimes or it's okay for me to feel all the feelings when I'm talking to you. And everyone needs a friend like that.

Yeah. Zero judgments. Like lay it on me. if you want to if you don't want to talk totally get it if you want to like if you can't do the podcast last week we'll do it next week like we don't care like we're just like we're all trying to survive over here like I just like it really does not bother me because I'm in the same boat like I'm just like perfect I can't do it either yeah okay I want to ask you about one more thing that has nothing to do with babies I want to ask you about

Nashville because you have Hubhouse. I want to visit Hubhouse. So I don't know how much time do you spend there. So for those of you who live under Rock and you don't know, and Lindsay has this amazing spot. And you rent it out and it's called Hubhouse and it's in Nashville. And Luke and I, we want to move to Nashville, which sounds so crazy when I don't really know a lot about it, but it feels it feels like it could be the right spot in a few years and maybe even to buy like in the next year or two years. And then. kind of live in, you know, L.A. and Nashville because we don't want to raise Kaya in L.A., which we have many years, obviously, before school age, but I'm getting a little tired of L.A.

I love it. I love it so much. But in the seven weeks that I've had a baby, I'm like, oh, man. Oh, man. So, and we're also thinking about maybe getting married there. I either want, like, an island or I want the country. Like, I want, like, farmland. I want, like, a bunch of acreage. Yes, I love this. Yes. Well, first of all, Nashville is closer to New York than L.A. So personally, for selfish reasons, I love that. I would say as far as, like, my property, it is, you know, a short-term rental property. It was an investment.

But also, like, it's just so fun. Like, even when I go to Nashville, I just reserve my house. You have a place to stay there. If it's available. And it's like bachelor's, I've seen like bachelorette parties go there and like girls trips. And I'm like, oh, that would be so fun. No, it's so much fun. I mean, that's kind of like what Nashville is about. But I love Nashville because it's like the perfect amount of city party out, but also suburbs. And I mean, as with any city, of course. But I don't know, Nashville just has like a an amazing draw to it. Like, It's so fun. It's such a fun city. It's music, country music, you know, like honky tongs. I grew up in Florida. I grew up listening to country music. So for me, like, yes, I live in New York. Like, I've been here for 100 years. But I love going to Nashville because it's

just like an escape for me. Should we get married there? So I think it's like a really good, fun city to get married. And I went to, towards the end of my pregnancy at the end of last September before I came to L.A. and saw you. I went to a wedding in Nashville. It's just fun. Yeah. We're huge country music lovers that's like we thrive on country music. So you do. Oh, wow. Okay. Huge. I'm a country music girl too. I love, love country music. Yeah. I mean, Nashville, if you want to buy a house there. Yeah. That's the thought. But you would buy a house to live in, not. Yeah, yeah.

We have like areas, like Franklin is one of the areas we've been looking. There's like a couple of, you know, more suburban areas where the schools are good and like all the adult stuff. I just haven't spent a lot of time there. Yeah. So one of my best friends about a year and a half ago, right when I found out I was pregnant, we were at a wedding together. And after that, like, I found out I was pregnant. She was like, I'm moving to Nashville. on literally when I get home, but she moved from L.A. to Nashville for the same reason. She was like,

there's a lot more crime in L.A. Like, I, you know, really want to create an environment that is like, I want to be closer to family. I want to. That's for us. Yeah. So. And I want to visit Hubhouse, though. I want, like, now that I've had the baby, I'm like, I want a girls weekend in Nashville. How much fun. Literally. Okay. Okay. We're going to have to make this happen. Yeah. Should we call Andy and get a camera? We totally should. I've talked to him about this before. I'm like, when are we going to do a non-housewives girls trip? Seriously. And he was like, he was like, yeah, we need to make that happen. You're going to Bravo Cotton, right? Yep. Okay. I was what to say, are you bringing the baby? But you live all the way in New York. It's a 45 minute flight for us. So we're bringing the baby. be. I mean, I could. I have not decided quite yet. If I do bring the baby, that means that, because you know, BravoCon, like, we're out all day. We're working all day. We are running around all day. So if I do bring Gemma, then that means I need to bring someone to take care of her. That's either

going to be a nanny or Turner. At that point, you're like, okay, let me think about what my potential schedule is going to be my schedule at bravo con i am like up at five a m and i'm in hair and makeup i am it's non-stop i am like running around it's like enough time to like eat and sleep i have two watch what happens lives i am like yeah oh i think we're on one together maybe both yeah probably so you're just like is it even worth it to bring my baby yeah because you're coming all the way from new york like it's for us it's a 45 minute flight and we're bringing luke's mom right and i told her like if she wants to bring like either i don't think her husband's going to come but if he comes or she wants to just bring a friend or something so she's not just like with the baby the whole time but also

kai is only to be six months where like jemma's a lot older than that too and like new york to Vegas is like such a flight yeah it's it's it's almost like and this is i go through this off then where i'm like i want to bring jima i want to bring jima i want to bring jima But then you're like, okay, but like, is it even worth it? Like, am I going to be able to like, I'm going to be gone all day? There is times like where I'll be, I'll spend an entire Friday going from like a panel to another panel to a meet and greet to a photo op to a VIP lounge thing to then changing in a random like behind a curtain in the middle of the like convention center. before then going straight to watch what happens live because that's at a different location. And then I'm like to the hotel.

And by then it's like, okay, I've been gone since like 6 a.m. From hair and makeup to this and this and this and this and this and now it's 10 p.m. Like is that even worth it for me? Probably not. I don't know. Yeah, maybe, maybe not. We'll see. We'll talk about it.

But you'll definitely meet Kaya in November, if not before that, hopefully before that. I know. Oh my God. I can't wait to meet her. I'm so excited. I love having a baby around the same age as Gemma and like having you to go through this with because doing reality TV is its own beast. And I've said this a million times that like no one understands what it's like doing what we do except for people that do what we do because it's just like its own thing. Like we're living our own lives, but we're living it publicly. And so to have a friend, who is doing reality TV at the same time I'm doing it, but then also having a baby at the same time I'm having a baby. It's just like, I couldn't have scripted it. I could not have written it better. And I love you so much.

I love you. Thanks for having me. And I'm so proud of you. Sorry it took so long. I'm sorry. It took so long. Look, here we are. We're not sorry.

We got this. We did it. We got it. It took a year, but we're here. Oh, my God. Okay, Linda, I love you so much.

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