Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - Flipping the Script with Maggie Lawson

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

Episode 145. This week, Kristen is switching things up and stepping into the hot seat with none other than Maggie Lawson—actress, dog mom, and podcast host. They’re chatting all about her personal "me time" routine. Maggie and Kristen also dive deep into the art of communication—because let’s face it, stressing over text reply times is a total trap. What started as a thoughtful conversation quickly turned into a full-on wine night catch-up session (recorded pre-pregnancy, by the way), and you’re invited to eavesdrop on all of it. Be sure to check out Maggie's brand-new podcast, Unconditional. It’s all about the beautiful bond between humans and their pets.   Sponsors: Start earning points on rent you’re already paying by going to joinbilt.com/DOUTE. Prolon is offering Balancing Act listeners 15% off their 5-day nutrition program for your post-holiday glow-up when you go to ProlonLife.com/KRISTEN. Follow us: @kristendoute @luke__broderick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So this week, I'm flipping the script. I'm stepping into the hot seat as the one and only Maggie Lawson, my buddy, actress, dog mom, and podcast host gets me talking about my me time. Maggie and I also dive into the art of communication because, I mean, let's be real, obsessing over texts, it's a trap. And honestly, our conversation turned into a full-on wine night catch-up session.

And yes, we recorded this pre-pregnancy, okay. And you guys get to eavesdrop. I mean, how fun is that? Oh, and speaking of Maggie, if you have not already, go check out her brand new show called unconditional. It's all about it's my favorite thing in the world. It's all about the incredible bond between humans and their pets. And trust me, you're going to love it. I could talk about my pets all day long. Okay, let's get into it and enjoy. I'm so excited to have you on this podcast. I loved chatting with you and Luke so much. It was so fun. It was so fun. I want to have them on too. I like,

I want to have you both. I want to do like couples me time too. That'd be interesting. Yeah. But I was researching you and I love wine as you know, and you brought this today and I can't thank you enough I'm so excited to try it but this is your own right? That's our wine that's our potion number one and we have we had a rose a couple of years ago that we're holding off on bringing back for the moment because it rather than doing like you know rose all day rose summer which I feel like it's been going on for years and it's like it's a little played out for me so we're gonna bring it we're gonna bring on a red for summer and it's like a little played out for me. So we're going to bring it. We're going to bring on a red for summer. And we're going to make red happen for the summer, like red on ice.

I love a chilled red. Yeah. Wait, a nice little light blonde. So that'll be the next one. I'm kind of with you on the rosé all day played out thing. And I love that you're like, I don't care that that's been a trend. We're going to start a new one. Yeah, we did it in like 2018 or 2019, we did the Rose, and it was really great, but I'm like, I need a break.

Okay, so do you have like a varietal, do you have a favorite, is it like a Gamay, is it a Beaujolais, like what is the- For the red? Yeah. We haven't even chosen it yet, we just got some samples in from our winery that we get to try so we can kind of choose what we wanna do, but it'll be like a light blend. So you get to sample the wines. Yeah. We have to

choose it. It's our wines. You have like my dream. It's like my dream job. Kristin, I'm so excited that you're here to talk about, well, the podcast as you know is called Me Time. And so the idea is whatever that means to you. And we can wander into all kinds of things. I have so many curiosities about you and this topic and whatever. So we can wander around. And you can also just like anything

you want to talk about as well throw on the table. When you and I were chatting prior to us recording, and I was like, what is my Postmates go-to? Oh my God! So I am- It was like the hardest question for me because I was like, well, what is my mood? And when I started like thinking,

okay, what do I order just like top three? Yeah. And I realized that my trend were carbs. I was like, okay, so this is an ish. I like ramen, vegan Thai, and like Lala's Argentine girl. But I get empanadas and the children's pasta because I'm vegetarian. Maybe a little Greek salad.

But I was like, so carbs, carbs, or carbs. That's my me time. OK. But I love that. That's such a fun like, OK, so you go to Lala's. Wait, you're not vegan. Are you vegan? Not vegan.

No, but you like a vegan Thai place. This vegan Thai place. Yeah. What is it? There's one in West Hollywood called Vegan Glory. And there's one in the valley called Hope. And what was the first one you said? La La's Argentine Grill.

And then there was the vegan and then the third carb. Oh, and ramen, yes, which I ordered yesterday. That's how I always say it. I always think it's curious when people order when it's like, oh, it's just me. What am I having tonight? What do I want? Mine's usually I love this place. Love to eat Thai.

It's just called Love to eat Thai Restro. That's so good. And sugar fish. Oh, yes. You can eat sugar fish. Why? Because I'm vegetarian and they don't offer anything. But what's in I mean, I like veggie sushi. Yeah. But sugar fish is like this is what you can have. Yeah. You don't get a choice That is true. And it's it's simple. That's right. Like they're their situation is very simple, but it is not vegan friendly at all

Kiwami, do you know Kiwami in the valley? Oh Kwami's great. They do a lot of uh, they'll do a lot of vegetarian options Yeah, you have to go and this is what you do So one of the things talked about, I remember when we were doing our interview was that you love a rom-com night. I love rom-coms. So you'll order vegan glory and watch. And then I'll binge Leslie Mann movies. And Ben Leslie. What's your favorite? The Other Woman.

Oh, okay. Or I'll watch Sweet Home Alabama, like any good Reese Witherspoon. I don't know, I have so many. Like, Just Married, I love Cameron Diaz, so anything she used to do back then. Yeah. But that's why I like the other woman, because it has both Leslie Mann and Cameron Diaz. It's got all of your people. Yeah. And then you're like, is that just like your happy night? It is, yeah. Do you drink wine? Do you drink your wine? Yes, I drink wine, I pet my dogs, I light candles and incense incense and just binge rom-coms. You're like a master of me time. That's what it's like. It's not just like, like one of those things would have been enough for me time.

But like the fact that you do all of them is like part of your as part of your ritual. I love I love this. This is exactly what this podcast is sort of about. So I have questions because I feel, okay, I think I mentioned it when we were doing our interview that this was sort of a leap for me. Like I'm super vulnerable. I can't, yeah, when it comes to talking about myself, my first instinct is always kind of like, no, I'm good. And I was thinking about you, and I was like, man, you were on a show that was for the world to see. I'm like, this is hard for me. I can't even imagine what that must be like.

And it made me think about this idea of me time or retreating or how do you feel like yourself and how you manage the anxiety or the exposed feeling you must have when you're sort of living your life on camera. Yeah. I mean you honestly just want to run away. Like I remember being on Banderpump Rules like we would all of course we look forward to a longer airing season because we get paid more clearly. But you know the filming time can roughly be the same, but that it's like post-production,

we're filming all these pickup scenes and the interview bites that you see, like the bobblehead type moments, the confessionals. Like diary stuff, yeah. Yeah, which the more episodes you have, the longer that stuff takes, and as seasons progressed and the more episodes that we got, the less time that we got the less time

that we had in between seasons. So toward the end of my time on Band or Pump it was like oh we have one month off, fully one month and all you want to do is disappear. You're just like go off the grid. I mean there was one year I think was probably my favorite year, a friend of mine not on the show, one of my best friends. They had friends that owned this private land near Laredo, Mexico, like the middle of nowhere. Phones don't work. You have to, the guys that live on the land, all the farmers and stuff, like they have walkie talkies. You get picked up in a pickup truck from the airport. And we were there for a week and I charged my phone twice. And

it was only because we were using my phone for music. Wow. It was just like completely off the grid and that was like my the greatest trip I've probably ever taken including going to like some really fabulous places right? Right. So I think even though it seems really scary and then feeling off the grid for me can be like a little bit anxiety like what if someone needs to get a hold of me or this work thing or what if something comes up but it's like what does it really matter I just need to go off the grid so that's kind of like a moment in a whole year but as far as like the weekly the nightly it is kind of just even unplugging from my best

friends at times who are like our same cast members because you just don't want to talk about everything anymore. Right. It's like escape to the friends that don't know, don't care. So that's so fascinating because if you're working with your best friends, you're sort of living the show with your best friends, then are you then like this is the craziest thing but I've never seen the show. I love that.

So I have no idea. But I- So a lot of my best friends that are not in the cast are the same way. Okay. We all have different, you know, you have groups of friends, but two of my girl best friends are like, yeah, we don't know that Kristen, like we just know the Kristen that we know. So they don't really find joy in wanting to like, watch you look back on those things, you know,

and watch it on TV. They're like, we don't need to, because we know you. That's interesting because so you're basically, and I don't know if you're like comfortable saying, or talking about this, but your friend's saying basically, like yeah, we know your, we know you. We know your life, like we know. So is it kind of basically that you are living your life

just with cameras around, so everybody else knows what's going on? It's not, okay. No, it's, it's not scripted, but it's produced. Right, of course. It's manufactured okay. No, no, it's it because some of the scripted some it's not scripted, but it's produced right? It's manufactured in a way and also the show is not about me the show is about this whole group of people and then It's essentially it's um I mean if you were writing a script about it, right?

Like if you're writing a script about that season of Vanderpump rules You have to have a beginning middle and end you have to have a story to tell At least kind of at the end it needs to come to some sort of conclusion, even though in real life nothing ever ends, if you will. So if this were like an ongoing series, which it is, let's say it's scripted, like maybe all my cool moments or even bad moments, they don't make it because it doesn't support the story. Right.

Right. Oh, interesting. Then you become at times you can become a one-dimensional human being or a one-dimensional character to these viewers because they're not seeing all the facets of you. Right. Because that doesn't support the story. The story is not about, it's not like, yeah, it's not my biography. It's not my memoir on camera. Sure. It's about all of us. So you might not get to see all the pleasantries that I have to offer. And that's why my other friends that are not on the show

are like, wait. We don't need to see that. Yeah, like, what about the nice Kristen, or the one that's really loyal and loving and forgiving, and blah, blah, blah? And it's like, well, crazy Kristen supported that story a little bit better this year. Is that what it was?

I don't know, because I didn't see it. So that was sort of your, the archetype. Or, you know, as we would have characters on a show, you were like the one that was a little wild, a little OK. Crazy Kristen, like, I will stop it. I was a social justice warrior. I will stop at nothing to make sure those harmed by this person or that situation, it like infiltrating myself into conversations

or relationships that were none of my business because I felt like I had to make something right. Or fix it, like I'm a big fixer person. And that's, is that you, is that a part of your personality? This was just like this sort of bigger, exaggerated version of it, but it's still like a little seed of who you are. Yeah, and especially in the beginning seasons too, where not that it's still like a little seed of who you are. Yeah.

I mean, that's good. In the beginning seasons too, where not that it's looking back, I'm like, I guess 28, 30 is like not that young, but now that I'm 40, I'm going like at 30 years old and I'm being pumped full of alcohol and I'm around my ex-boyfriend who's like dating the girl he cheated on me with. And then we all work together.

And it's just like this perfect storm that I probably would not have kept myself in right had I not been filming a show. Right that makes total sense you know and the dating part too I feel like when it comes to this me time I mean again I feel like we still talk about like you you also wrote a book so you you're such I am so funny because I was thinking about you an open book is this such a nice way to describe you I feel like you are so you're so easy to talk to you're so down to earth like you use a word like crazy Kristen and I can't even in my head wrap my head around what

that would look like you're so grounded and so open like yeah that you disarm anyone sitting across from you or at at least, when we did our interview, that's how I feel, and that's also how I feel today. But the dating part as well, which, you know, and obviously you have Luke, we'll get to that in a second, but like, I feel like, did you find in a couple's way, like couples meet time, was there like, oh, there's the relationship that's seen,

and then we also have this other time? Like, do you get time that's just yours? In the past on Vanderpump Rules, like, no. And I think that was a huge, I wasn't exactly in the healthiest of relationships in my time on there. Yeah. I'd say I had like one good dude that it just didn't,

it didn't work out. We were together for years and it was like the only person I had ever broken up with, which is so crazy. And we're still buddies and we share friends and he has nothing to do with the show anymore. But otherwise, it was like we were just dating each other. I mean, that's kind of why Vanderpump Rules

became its own beast because that's, we were all working at this restaurant and then it's like dating that person who works with, yeah, like we didn't, truly in the very beginning, it's like if anyone that we know has worked at a restaurant, you don't really have social time, especially at night, because that's what you're doing.

So if you're working with a bunch of attractive people that are all aspiring to sort of, you know, the very LA thing, like I'm an actor, AKA I'm a bartender. Right. Right. And so you're working with people who have the same aspirations and the same night plans. Like, that's essentially who you're going to date, especially like in your 20s. Right.

So that's normal. Like, that's normal, though. That's like that normal part. It's just that it's being filmed. Like, it's normal. There are a lot of infidelities and a lot of us lived together and it was like three best friends dating three best friends. I lived with three of the guys

that were dating my best friends. So that's where it kind of got really picked up. Got it. In its madness on season one. But yeah, during Vanderpump Rules, I think that's a big lesson that I did learn was I am willing to be, if I were to do a show,

I would not do Vanderpump,, if I were to do a show, I would not do Vanderpump, but if I were to do a show like that same type of docu-series again, I would still be open and honest about my relationship, but I definitely would keep some things that were just for us. Yeah. Like there's a way to be open and truthful, but also just keep some things just for you. Yeah, and it's not even about like hiding things or like not being honest about like

the state of your relationship but it's just like not everyone has to know every little thing. Like why can't we just have some things that are for us? Well, and that's the thing too. I feel like being, you know, that show having the popularity, you having the popularity that you have or whatever, you have, you have people, not only cameras following you around, but like paparazzi and probably people everywhere you go that know who you are and are spying or,

that's a terrible word. But you know what I mean, like listening or following, that's what I was like, no wonder you had, you would have to go away for a month or however long and not charge your phone or disappear. But like, did you get to do that ever as a couple, like as couples, did you ever get to have a moment where it was just like, oh, thank goodness,

we're just in our own space? With my ex-boyfriend Carter, the one I was speaking of, which was toward the end of my time on Vanderpump Rules, we are, luckily, he's a very outdoorsy kind of guy. And I'm from Michigan and his parents bought a lake house in Georgia. And so it was like, when we had the time, it was like grab the dogs and go.

Oh, I love that. When we had the time, you know? So I think that's something that Luke and I, even though we don't even live in the same state, that we're still trying to always focus on like, okay, well before this next big project comes up or before we have to do this thing, like when are, when are we going to like take time out, get out of L.A. together? Right. And do something that's like a little more like normal and close to home for us.

And that would be that's like a lake. That's like a nature lake. OK, that's also me time. Like, that's what I feel like. That's like the disconnect. And that's what made me I was like, oh, this is such a fascinating topic to talk about with somebody who I feel like is so has been, I mean, filmed, you know, as part of a show, but also just paparazzi wise and everything else. Like probably having so many so many people around or at you or even people have opinions. Yeah. And they're not afraid to share them.

How do you deal with that? But also like how does that, of course, and I mean, I guess that's what we're open to being any sort of public figure in any sort of public situation, which is why it is so scary. But like how, you know, I mean, you're sort of talking about it,

like what brings you back, the Dodo, which you and I have both bonded over. But like in your, I Need to Feel Like Kristen again, or even one of the curiosities I had about you too, it's just in your, you wrote a book, being on this show would be like your, how do you like steady yourself beforehand? You know, people have like pre-show rituals, you know,

I've talked to like some comedians and people like that or whatever, but is there anything that you do like before the camera starts rolling or any sort of spiritually? Which we also kind of talked about right there were like so many little things that came up in our interview that I was like I want to make sure Crystals whatever breath work we were talking about or whatever that just sort of like, okay. I'm okay. I'm okay And now I'm like ready I I have so I do like a little grounding thing

before I even just did it before the interview today. And when I don't do it and I'm in like the middle of like shooting something, I'll be like, oh, I didn't do the thing. What's gonna happen? Like I'm a little superstitious like that. Has it always been a thing that you've done? See, I have a hard time like, okay,

cause I have a hard time like now that you're asking that, I'm like, man, what do I do? Cause I know what I do when I'm feeling overwhelmed about work or with that group of friends or anything that needs, I guess, get the Hollywood out of me, if you will. I immediately retreat to Venice, where one of my best friends lives.

And she has a dog and she's a chef and she's just this hippie-dippy little fairy, amazing person. And I was there yesterday, and I just, we play a board game, we sit in the backyard, we go through walks on the walk streets, and it's just this like, complete sense of calm, and she's just like,

my little fairy spirit animal. So it's just such a different vibe. Yeah. And so that's, I mean, I try to be in Venice I love that. It's just such a different vibe. Yeah. And so that's, I mean, I try to be in Venice at least a few days a week. So this is one of the things you had asked when we were doing ours was like, is me time,

does it always have to be alone? I'm like, no. Because I feel like I'm alone almost all the time, especially when Luke's not in town. Right. So I just get over being like in my apartment with my dogs. Right. Let's go to the park. Let me go run errands. And I'm like, OK, this is so boring.

And how often do you guys get to see each other? I mean, I think you were saying it's a couple of weeks and then usually off, maybe like an event or an occasion. Like you'll have time together, like obviously on. Yeah, which is I don't even know. We've just been trying to figure it out for like a year. So this past month, he was in town. We finally found a way that we can fly to each other very simply, which is nice, but we both have dogs and that can be really tough.

Right. His dog can't fly. I have two. That's too hard for me to do. So then it's a lot of driving for him. So this past month he was here for five days. He was gone for five days. Friends of ours got engaged, so I called him. I saw that on your Instagram. I called him, and I was like, will you come here tomorrow? Like, literally, it's Book of Light. Come here tomorrow and be here for the engagement.

So he came back for five more days, then went home again. And he was like, this is not working. Five days on, five days off. He has stuff to do back in Colorado on his ranch. And we don't want to only be together for five days to just get some things done. So we've tried over the last year to do a few weeks on, two weeks off or something.

Do y'all have rules? Do you have no more than this many days? He does. I just say, I mean, it's unfortunate. I do go to Colorado, but not as often. It feels a lot easier for him to come here. And we have different things going on. He has big projects where I feel like I do go to Colorado, but not as often. It feels a lot easier for him to come here. And we have different things going on. He has like big projects where I feel like I have constant like, I can't leave because

I have this to do Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. I have two days off, but then I have to. So it's just like a little, it's just completely different. So he just told me yesterday, actually, he's like, I'm going to come this weekend and I'm going to stay for a few weeks. Oh. And he's gonna drive and bring his dog. So we can start looking for some,

we don't wanna stay in my apartment because he plans on spending at least the summer here. That's so nice. With his dog. So we're like, okay, well, let's hopefully let's try to look for a house to rent. So we have a backyard, it'll like de-stress us with all the dogs.

It'll make our lives so much easier. I love that we are just like now talking about your relationship. But I love this because I feel like it relates to kind of this me time thing of what you just said. But it really does, because when he's here and we are essentially like living together for months, it will allow us to have our own me time as a couple, too. But like meaning like I can go have my me time. He can go play golf, go fishing,

whatever it is he do stuff he wants to do. And it won't be like, well, I wanna go with my girlfriends to have a glass of wine. Can you watch all the dogs? Where it's this constant like babysitter mode. I want him to feel comfortable in California so that we both can have our own me time. So he has time to make his own group of friends out here too.

That's so important I feel like because that would put a lot of pressure I feel like on you as well just because it's like you have your routine. You probably have your day to day and we really have that when we're alone. I feel like when you spend that much time alone, you kind of have to get, like, you know, my therapist always calls it re-entry. Yes. Like somebody's leaving, and then there's

this re-entry period where somebody comes back into the space, and you're like, oh, all of this routine solo, whatever. You also have another set of eyes on you. It changes the dynamic completely. Oh, it absolutely does. And my alone every day is very much like, I know what time I'm getting up.

If I feel like sleeping in another hour a day, no big deal. Because my day, these are the things I have to get done. Then my dogs are my priority. Here's where I can fit in going to see a friend. But this is my routine. Yes. It's very easy for me. But when another person, like your therapist said,

the re-entry thing, now it's like, okay, so do I still go do all of my stuff or like, because now you're in town, do we spend time together today or is it still okay? It's just a weird thing we're still trying to figure out, but I know, I think Luke finds so much value in his own me time, especially in Especially in California. Yeah. That it urges me, I don't say push me, but like urges me to do the same. I love that. He

was so open talking about like how he's a me time, just like he spends a lot of alone time. He's good at alone time like whatever. Yeah, he likes it. And he likes it, which is, but I would also imagine that it would be tough if you're, you know, you have these concentrated periods of time where you're together, so you kind of don't want to miss anything, and then it's like, oh, but I actually do need a little space.

I'm uncomfortable kind of asking for that space because like, I know you're leaving in like two days, so I should take all the time I should get, but also like, how do we establish these routines? Like it's actually fascinating, and I'm happy for you both that like he's gonna be here for an amount of time now that I feel like you guys can be established so seamlessly. Right. Versus like, oh, we have to. Where I feel like a vacation period, like five days of vacation. Got to be together 24-7. And that's something I really love about him is he knows

that I like to be really social. But he also, even in the five day periods that we sometimes have, he just gets up and says, I'm going to the golf range. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. I need to go do this. It's not like, can I? Do you care?

He's like, this is what I have to do. Which then allows me my time. Because I feel like I'm more the one that's like, well, do you care if I go? That's me. He's like, well, do you care if I go? That's me. He's like, go. Yeah. Whatever. Hey, PSA for all my renters out there.

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When somebody else is so openly like, I'm gonna go do this. It's like, oh, I can just do it like that? Right, I can be unapologetically just say, I want to, I need to. Does it have to mean more other than just like, no, this person needs to go play golf for a little while. It's not that this person needs space from me.

Right. It's like just what they need to go do. I have had a tendency, I think I'm better at this now, to be like, oh. Oh, same. I must have done something like, oh, I'm too much. I'm being overbearing. I'm like, this person can't get away from me. I know, I used to be the same way.

I feel like I've gotten, I think it's more with like age and therapy. Not, and maybe the, it's because I'm in a healthier relationship now. But I think regardless whether I were single or with Luke, I think with age and growing up in therapy that I've been like, not basically what my therapist says is like, Kristen, not everything's about you. We're like, wait, really?

Like, like it is the right like, no, don't let that don't let that person give you that much power and also like you don't have that much power. It's almost a humbling thing, which is so interesting because I'm thinking of it in a way of, what did I do wrong, what did I do wrong? And she's going, no, no, no, let's flip the script a little bit. You're not that powerful to think that everything

is about you. Those negative feelings think that everything is about you. You know, those negative things, feelings, like it's not about you. No. It is what it is. And they're so bad for us because we will, I know me, I can, I'll fixate and obsess, but I'm like that even if it's like a text message that I'm like, oh, I didn't, I haven't heard back from that person. That's weird. They must not want to hang. Oh my God, story of my life. And really it's like, oh, then you get the text from them. That's weird. They must not wanna hang. They must not wanna. Oh my God, story of my life. And really it's like, oh, then you get the text from them

that's just like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. My dog had to go to the vet. I've been stuck for a few hours. It's never about us, even though it'll tank sometimes my entire day about thinking about these things. Oh, one million percent. That's fascinating. You said that's a story of your life as well.

So yeah. So you have like a, I think we're similar probably like that. Something that I used to do a lot, especially when it's like there's some this different vibe when I lived in my home, in my house, but something I was thinking about yesterday and today that I really need to get back into, especially now that I'm like diving into so much more work and I'm so grateful for that. But I had, you know, a few years off and I have this energy healer who, of course, I think gratitude lists are so important because I can find myself just being like, oh, now this thing, like one thing went wrong.

Well, now it's this thing. And now it's this thing instead of going, OK, shit happens and I need to be grateful. But something that she convinced me to do, which I felt was a bit egocentric, but ended up being really helpful, was a list of things I'm good at. Hey, I love that! And I really noticed a huge shift in myself when I was doing that. And I think because, like this was years ago when I was doing it, but it was one of the greatest years of my life. I think one of the most like positive like years of progress that I had ever had. And it was one of the greatest years of my life, I think one of the most positive years of progress that I had ever had, and it was every morning

I just wrote down, set an alarm for five minutes, and it would be as many things that I could write down that I'm good at. And then later on in the day, it was like, take five more minutes and now write down my gratitude list. But it got a little difficult in the beginning of like, what am I good at? I'm like, oh, I'm good at simple math.

I'm really fast at it. I'm a really good speller. I'm a good dog mom. I'm a loyal friend. And then, you know, after like day seven, I'm going, I wrote down three things in five minutes, but like maybe day two, I wrote down like 25. And you think like this was a, you said it was one of the best years of your life and this like that's how you woke up every day Every day. Yeah, I was allowed to like brush my teeth make a coffee. Let my dogs out but like no checking the emails

No looking at my phone Nothing. I don't know nothing. No TV whatever. It was just like go sit down It's five minutes and right five minutes a really long time in the morning But it's that's what it's five minutes. And five minutes is a really long time in the morning. But it sets a tone. It's five minutes. For your whole day and well-being. I love that. I don't really have a morning practice-y thing like that.

I mean, I have little things I might say to myself. But I think putting pen to paper is always, like, makes it great. It's like watering a plant versus like, yeah. It really ingrains it into my brain. Yeah. And what prompted whoever this energy healer, like it's like watering a plant versus like, yeah. It really ingrains it into my brain. Yeah. And what prompted whoever this energy healer like at the time, and you said there were like three years there where it was like you had off. And we kind of talked about this in our interview too, which was like something that

it's so funny because you just refer, you were like, at first I was like, and then by the end I was like, ah, three things right away, which is so funny because I remember when we were talking in the interview we did, at first you were just like, I don't really know what my me time is. I don't have a thing. And by the end you were like, wait a second. I was like, you have like, you're like the master

of me time, but you also have so much of it. Like that was, I think the thing that like, cause I, my friend Tim, who I had on as well, we talked about his actual me time is connection. But in his situation, he had a stroke years ago. And so his way now of feeling connected to anything, because at first he was like, honestly, my phone is my thing I can't live without,

because it's my thing that connects me to the world. His is the complete opposite of disconnection. But it was interesting, because I feel like you start at that place of sort of like, I don't really know what my thing is. And then I was like, she's like a genius. She's like a master of this, totally. Yeah, I think it is just because of all the alone time,

where I'm like, am I going to make this worth my while? It's OK to have a day off or a lazy day or a rainy day in bed type of a thing but like that can't become a thing. Right. And so what else is there to do that can be like more fulfilling or more positive? Right. Like so I don't get stuck when I do because a lot of you know as an entrepreneur but also as like someone in entertainment when when you're, you know, when you're not working. Yeah. And you're looking for things to keep yourself creative, keep yourself busy,

keep yourself moving and shaking, you know, which I'm so grateful for, like ever like everyone just loving this podcast platform so much now, because it is a way for us to do that. And so it's like, I need to have like this project, this project, this project, but make sure that I know how to split my time. Right, between each one. Right.

Was there something that prompted the, I mean, you sort of said it and you're like a better way to start the day, but was there a, you know, you said there were like three years where you weren't working and obviously in those times, and I think we both had this kind of same halt happen around like the pandemic as well. So there's like a whole other set of that takes alone time, everything to like another level. But was there something that prompted the sort of like healer?

I need a new practice. I need to try something new in it. It was a breakup. I mean, it was it was like debating on the breakup. It was like how do I like this person didn't do anything wrong quote unquote right? There's no cheating. There's no abuse of any kind of you know of course not physical but meaning like we've been together for so long, but nothing's happening, does it need to happen? Do I need the ring? Where are we going with this? And it just kind of felt like it was sucking me dry a little bit and neither of us were happy,

but we kept being like, but we can be, but we can be. And I'm like, just something's not right. And a friend of mine, I had gone to see like a tarot card reader and I'm just reaching, you know, reaching for all the straws in the spirituality book going like, what can I do? So I'm like, I'm open to whatever. Right. So I see this energy healer and I'm open to what she has to say. I've never done this before. And she kind of, you know, within our time together, gave me this thing, I don't

want to call it an analogy, but this thing that she does where she was like, she, you know, speaks to her people, whatever spirit. Yeah, exactly. And she said that that relationship I was in was like a two out of four. It was like a 50 percent. And she was like, so with that, you're now only giving and receiving 50 percent and everywhere else in your life, in your career, in your friendships, in your happiness and just everything.

Oh, interesting. You need to like find someone. And there was no like list or checkoff thing that made him this 50 percent. Right. It was just whatever she was feeling in that moment. Right. So it just really made me think like, well, what can I do then to like find my 100 percent? But it's like, well, how about instead of trying to find your 100 percent person, you start working on the things that are important to you to like raise your frequency, like raise your vibrations. Right. So that's when she recommended that. But and I think the number she gave me was like, I could stop when I got to like, I want to say it was like 292.

292 what? Things that I like about myself. And I'm going, are you out of your damn mind? 292, like let me whip out my thesaurus. Boil. 25 words that are the same as boil. That mean boil. That mean loving.

Oh, interesting. I'm going going like how in the hell like what I'm like I'm tall. Right. Right. I don't know what like um my hair holds on to extensions really well. But I'm losing my mind trying to reach these numbers. But I love how much it made you think about you. Yeah. I love that even if it's just, I hold extensions really well. Right. For that, four seconds. Because it's interesting for, well for me it was, and I think for a lot of people, to like, it's about self-love and not the ego and not like what makes you cool. Right.

Or like. Or what makes everybody else see. Less than. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or what makes everybody else less than or what, yeah, what makes everyone else look at you. Per makes everybody else. Less than. Yeah. Or yeah, what makes everybody else less than or what makes everyone else look at you. Exactly, right.

It's like how do you feel about you? Right, right. Because you have to sleep with you at night. Yeah, and wake up in the morning to you. Yeah. So yeah, who do you want to be and where do you see yourself? And then, you know, what's so great about you?

Because self-love is like the most important. I mean, it's like how many times have we heard in our lives you can't love anyone else if you don't love yourself. But I mean, it's sort of based on what your healer said at the same time, if you're like not fully aware of like what all those things might be in you, it's very hard to then, as they always say, like attract. Like you're gonna kind of attract at that level

versus like, oh, I feel more whole and I feel more, I mean, you know, I'm literally figuring, still really trying to figure all this out for myself, but I- Aren't we all though? I mean, yes, in every step and we're all in our, where we are on our, you know, journey with that, or I've started to say adventure instead of journey.

I love that. It feels like, yeah. Journey is so like bachelor. I literally the bachelor ruined the word journey for me. I'm like, it's so every single thing. You know that in every interview, they're like, remember to say journey. Journey. It's a journey. So every single person is like, so that'd be on this journey.

I'm so glad to be on this journey. And I'm like, ah, I love the word journey, but I can't do it anymore. I love adventure so much more though. Yeah, and it's funny, because as I was doing this podcast and I was trying to record the trailer for it, I kept you, I would like,

I'd be like, journey is the perfect word here. Every time I wanted to say journey, I just replaced it with adventure. Cause I'm like, that's what it is. It's what it is. It is an adventure. Yeah. An adventure, I feel like Journey gives you like an ending,

but like Adventure doesn't. Yeah, it's like, let's just see where this goes. Versus like, oh, I'm, like you said, kind of beginning to the end. This Journey will eventually come to an end, right? Yeah. Because they do say that in The Bachelor, like this Journey has come to an end.

Who do you choose in three weeks as your wife? I don't know, I'm in love with all three of them, so it's a really tough pick. Oh yeah, tough man, I know. I wonder if they started saying adventure. I hope he chooses me. No, I'm like trademarking, coining this, Maggie lost in me time, adventure.

Adventure out, this is the- Bachelor nation, you do not get to steal this. I will call you out. I know, I don't want them to take it even though I'm sort of curious. Because I kind of believe in word. Do you believe in like, OK, I believe in, as you're talking about these lists and things,

the words that we use. And I'm like, I wonder if they just started using the word adventure, or if it would change the outcome. I wonder if you just started putting a different, if we just start putting a different thought or spin on something. I mean, I'm not saying it like a different intention, a different because that's what it all actually comes down to usually. Right. I feel like anyway, I don't know. I mean, I it's it's something interesting. Like I get nervous

if I read a script that's like called The Losers or like the zeros. Right. Or the I'm using like titles I've seen in the past and I'm like, oh, this isn't this is I know it probably says what it needs to say. But I'm always like, oh, this is probably not going to end well. Yeah. This is probably not getting fixed up. This is probably I believe in like titles and words and things. Yeah. But journey. I love that you share that.

It's so frustrating. I'm so like anyway, but I'm with you. I don't want them to pick my word now. No, I'm going to use that. That's why I need time. It's like IP rights now. You said it first. I did. Do I get money every time somebody says it now? Is that the deal? Yes. I have so many things like I kind of wanted to go back to because I was like

this idea around. Unfortunately, I feel like it usually is a thing that prompts us into these kind of like getting to know ourselves better or like I need to change my life kind of things. Like it's never just like I wake up one day and I'm like, I'm going to make the changes today. It's a breakup. It's a, you know, for me, I talked about like my dog dying a year and a half ago or whatever that I still feel like I'm just in this. I mean, I'm definitely better now, but I do feel like that was probably the biggest

one I've ever had. Am I divorced being the other? Right. But we're always like it takes these things sometimes to just like totally turn everything upside down. Oh, yeah. And then with like Luke now. So like going into I mean, is this OK to talk about? I'm just I just love talking. I'm just like going into like a new relationship and like, do you feel, was there,

and this might be too much information actually, but was there a space, like from that three year period to like Luke now, was there anyone, I mean, obviously I'm sure you dated, but was there anything that was like intense? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh gosh, should I know this? This is like, oh no. No, not at all.

No, there was, yeah, Oh gosh, should I know this? This is like, oh no. No, not at all. No, there was, yeah, there was a guy I started dating. So post my ex-boyfriend, which was like 20, we broke up like 2019, I stayed like single, meaning like, you know, I was kind of like still with him a little bit, like here and there, cause it's comfort and it's easy. And then I was like, oh, I'm single now,

AKA I'm just like hooking up with my friends or dating around or whatever. And then I ended up dating this guy that I'd known for a few years, never looked at or thought of that way. And it seemed, I was very hesitant in saying, no, we're not going on a date, we're just hanging out. And there was months of that.

And he stuck around and was charismatic and charming and cool and smart and very opposite of everything I was as career wise into like finance and real estate and that kind of thing. And I thought this was like the universe going see this, try this out. This is someone very not someone you would normally go for. Maybe this is like the grownup version of who you should be with. And so I gave it a try and we had a good year probably. And then stayed together for another year that was not so great, but I didn't realize it until after he broke up with me. So I sold my house, moved into his house,

lived together for like five months. He broke up with me multiple times during those five months and eventually was like, we're done, get out. And I was so codependent on that relationship. I didn't see it at the time, but I started changing everything about myself. I was, because I wasn't doing the show anymore. And I still had my clothing line

and he just thought it was like, you know, kind of like a hobby. And he thought I should be doing more with my life. And like something that stuck in my mind for a long time was like, you know, he, it was like, he went from being like head over heels for me to like, yeah, I mean, you're great, but like, you could be like a little more like a polished version

of yourself. You could be bad. You can be better. Yeah, like be you, but like better. And I listened and then I didn't realize until after the breakup, I actually met Luke like two weeks later in Colorado, obviously. And then we just were connected on the phone for a while.

But because Luke and I started getting very vulnerable with each other and I was telling him about this relationship with this narcissist and Luke said, like, I'm going to be honest. He's like, from a guy's perspective and from someone getting to know you, like my perspective, he's like, he goes, I feel like you just had your eye on the prize. And that prize was, I'm getting older. I need a baby. And I need a ring.

And I need to be married. He's like, therefore, you abandoned all things that were you, because this is the person you were going to be with. You didn't want to start over again. You didn't want to go through all this again. So you just abandoned who you were. And then eventually, it made neither of you happy. Right, of

course. I essentially turned into like a shell of myself. Yeah and that's not that's not happy for you. No. But at the same time do you feel like Luke's right? Absolutely and I'm like couldn't be more grateful that this guy literally like I wouldn't have left. I think I would have stayed for as long as he would have let me. Wow. And I would have just, I mean, who knows? I mean, maybe I would have had a wake up call at some point.

Wow. But I was just like, I'm here. You were in it to win it. Yeah. Like in that, like it didn't matter. Like all the red flags, all the things that were coming up that were like, this isn't good, this doesn't feel good. It's okay, it's okay.

Because we're. Because this is better for me. He knows what's best for me. Oh, right. He must know what's better for me. Look how successful he is. Maybe I should just listen. And it was like, what the hell?

I went from being this fairy flighty, aquarium butterfly who does not want my wings clipped to like, you know, putting yourself literally back in the chain. Yeah, yeah, into like a little shell. Which I don't fully blame on him. I made those choices too. Of course we have to, we, you know, but it was like, well why, why can't I just be who I am and find someone who loves me for who I am? And then, you know, you always compromise in a partnership, of course. But why am I having to, like, clip my wings and be this essentially what he this ex-boyfriend considered to be the better version of me?

I felt was this completely dumbed down, like shadowed version of me. I feel like that's always a reflection too on like the other. It's hard to see it at the time, but it's always like their pain, their insecurity, and their safety. It's sort of like, I want you to be like this because it'll make me feel safe. I'm in pain, I'm insecure,

I'm scared of you being this other way that you are because I don't really know how to, so be this way I want you to be so that I feel OK. And it comes out in like the worst ways, even though it's like, oh, this is all your shit. Yeah, this is your shit. I mean, that's kind of when I learned the thing I was saying earlier from my therapist about the power thing. Right.

Was something that I learned within that relationship because he was, you know, the guy that was like, well, I wouldn't have done this had you not done this, Kristin. And so it's like that gnarly narcissistic relationship that got my brain going because I'm such an empath and I don't want anyone to ever feel hurt or not heard or anything of that nature. And my therapist finally was like, what the hell is he giving you so much power for as if you have control over his reactions or actions for that matter. It's like, look what you made me do. You're a grown ass man. Yeah. No, it's me. But I, I, I, I, I really lost myself. I honestly didn't have any me time

in that relationship. It was right toward the end of that relationship was when I quit smoking cigarettes. And I did it for me because I wanted to get pregnant. And I knew that was what I saw as a possibility in my future. And my doctor was like, well, we got to cut that out first. But I really did it for him because it was his non-negotiable when we first started dating. And I was still doing it two years later.

But I noticed it was like, even when I did that, like that wasn't enough and this thing wasn't enough. But I noticed my me time, now that I'm thinking about it, especially when we moved in with him, was kind of just like cleaning the house and like, what do you want for dinner? And to go grocery shopping and like watching my dogs while he's working in his office. And then sitting out on our patio and like chain smoking cigarettes and like thinking

about life going like, this sucks. Like, what am I even doing? Where's my creativity? Right. Like that's what I thrive on. Well, it's interesting. I think it's, it's, that's, you know, it's hard when you're in a situation like that's also hard when you're like living with somebody too, but that it almost takes, well, I would say, in your case maybe, the chain smoking the cigarettes and having that moment to have something yank you out of it for a second and just look back and be like, whoa.

The only thing I think about now is you and this and everything kind of being okay or what you might need or what you're feeling. Essentially, like I didn't have, now again, like I think about it, I didn't really have me time. Because even my me time was like going out with my girlfriends,

getting out of that house and having wine on Wednesdays. I was pretty much talking about him and the relationship and my unhappiness and then hearing him complain about how, well, you shouldn't drink wine on a Wednesday, that's for Saturdays. I'm like, I'm sorry, what era do we live in and what state do we live in?

Because I actually don't go out on Saturdays, but cool. And so- You're like, that's my night that I watch my romantic comedies right there. And I didn't have time to watch rom-coms. I didn't have time to take my dogs on a walk by myself, or just breathe in nature, or go on a trip by myself. Right, which I want.

So I lost a lot of the me in there. So I think that's something that I realized post that relationship. And meeting someone like Luke, and meeting someone so adventurous and such a loner, kind of in a way, who is also very social, I'm like, oh, like Luke values his me time so much and he puts that on me. He's like, do something for yourself.

Right. I don't wanna come with you to hang out with your girlfriends today, go. Well, sometimes it's easier to not have to think about what that thing is that's like, what do I wanna do today? Like, that's what I felt like that time in those years in the pandemic and whatever kind of were for me a little I Was like wow, I I mean this talk about on this podcast

I'm 42 and I'm in this place right now still of like Who are you here and now like we're so different, right? but like that then we were and also This this thing that you mentioned a little bit of like oh I had you had your eye on the pride like you were sort Of like oh, I need the baby I need the thing or whatever because you reach a little bit of like, oh, you had your eye on the, like you were sort of like, oh, I need the baby, I need the thing or whatever. Because you reach a certain age and you feel like if those bells and whistles aren't going off,

if you're just chilling and dating like you always have, you're almost like, am I being irresponsible? But that's what I wanna do. I wanna take my time and get to know this person. I wanna like, but I don't want everything to have to always be like, oh, so if we're not doing this, we gotta go. Right, it's such a societal thing.

We've reached this age, you're supposed to just have your shit together. Yeah. And yeah, be a responsible adult, but I mean, life changes so often and so quickly in the world and in our own lives and with our own families and friends and significant others or lack thereof.

We have to be able to move with the changes and move with the times. And it's like, some people have babies at 40. Some people have them at 20, and they live out their 20s in their 40s. My sister does. And it's like, who's to say the right or the wrong? Right.

It's not. I feel like it's all it's. But there's a lot of pressure when you're our age. There's naturally. It's just naturally pressure. Are we supposed to retire at 60? Yeah. And like, well, I don't want to retire at 60. I actually enjoy working and being creative.

Yeah. No, I'm with you. I don't see a day I'd ever stop. I'd ever stop kind of working or moving. I mean, but I'm like you. I don't know. We don't know. don't know. Like we don't know. We don't know what we don't know. Exactly, 100%.

Okay, well I have a couple of things I wanna like ask you anyway, just as part of the me time and the podcast, cause I wanna know your favorite, like the three favorite things. But I also have so many more questions for you about life in general and everything else. But I also don't wanna take your whole day,

but this me time and relationship thing was just so interesting because I do feel like it is such a, you know, you just brought it up with the last relationship. This is such a, for me, I know at this point in my life, like that is key. It feels so almost like selfish or ego, like whatever to say, but is like, if I don't have that, if I leave that, if I, I think I said at the end of your podcast when you're like, I would do anything for love, but I don't have that, if I leave that, if I, I think I said at the end of your podcast

when you're like, I would do anything for love, but I won't do that. Like, if I leave myself, that's what I know for me. I think that's different for everybody. It's like, of course we don't want to abandon ourselves, but of course there's like compromise and there are things that you have to do. But I know there is a limit for me where I'm like,

oh, if I hit this point, if I have neglected myself this much, I may, like I hit this point, if I have neglected myself this much, I mean, like I might not come back. And it's hard to kind of know when when I don't know what that tipping point is. Yeah. Yeah. It's more a feeling. OK, so three favorite things you absolutely cannot live without right now. More if you want to add. But I like three if if I want at least three.

OK. Well, my dogs. 100 percent. Absolutely can't live with it. Can I ask what kind of dogs? Yeah. Tell me about what kind of dogs. Oh I have a Yorkie he's seven and a half I call him a Yorkshire terrorist. He's like the cutest thing. He has an absolute pain in the ass. He's so smart and so sassy and hilarious and just a giant pain in my ass and I love him. His name's Gibson Nix. Wait, he's how old? He's seven and a half. He acts like a puppy, but yeah, his name's Gibson Nix. Gibson Nix. After the Gibson guitar and Stevie Nix. It's just feels like a musical reference. I love it. And then Bowie, I adopted, I rescued him when Gibson was one. So I've

had Bowie six and a half years. I don't know how old he is, about probably 13 or 14 at this point. So yeah, named after David Bowie. And he's the cutest Cheegle in the world. He's a beagle, chihuahua, something mix. Oh my God, a Cheegle? I've not heard that. He's like an oversized chihuahua

or a very small beagle, that's what I call him. I love that your whole life is kind of, you're like, it's like, here's some work and then my dogs. Like that's, yes, then my dogs like that's yes I totally relate to that. I mean, I don't have another dog since peanut yet, but I'm your right exact same. Yeah. All right So your dogs 100% you cannot live with that. I get yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can't live without Luke I mean, I guess I can live without a person but like I prefer not to that is so sweet Luke I want when you're back, coming on this show,

that's very sweet to say. I love that you- I can't live without sunshine. So, so LA's been tough for you over the last few months. I was like today, I'm putting you in a podcast booth on the first day, it's like sunny. I just thrive being outside and being in the sun. There's just something about natural light

that completely shifts my day. And I think that's been my tough thing about this apartment I've been in for years. Like there's no natural light in there. And I'm just like, I'm so grateful. I have a roof over my head. I have a nice two-bedroom apartment. It's so wonderful.

It's in the perfect part of town. I'm grateful, I'm grateful, but Jesus Christ, like I need to get out of here because I'm not thriving in that environment. Are you moving? Yeah, we're looking to, because he's going to be spending more time here, we're looking to rent a house. So we have a backyard for the dogs. Great.

Ease our lives completely and give us, you know, more creative space. All right. That's good. It's just a good space. So yeah,, sunshine. Can't live without my veggies. Oh, yeah. You're a vegetarian. What's your favorite veggie? Broccoli. Broccoli?

I could live on broccoli. If I were like on death row and they were like, what do you want for your very last meal? Really? Yeah. Oh, my God. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know that anybody would say.

I don't know anyone that I love that you love broccoli. It's the hardest vegetable for me. Like, oh my God, it's so funny. My dogs love it too. It makes me so happy. That is so cute. It's like raise them right, I'm doing something right, mom. Death Row meal, broccoli.

I think first in history. I don't know that anybody's ever said that before. Okay, I love that. I could live without just first in history. I don't know that anybody's ever said that before. Okay, I love that. I could look at that, just music in general. So the Gibson, the Stevie Nicks, and the Bowie. Okay. You're like a huge music person. Are you a festival person? A concert person? Yes, live music for sure. Festivals, it's changed over the years for me. I still enjoy a good festival once in a while,

but I'm not like, oh my god. I haven't been to Coachella in years. I don't speak the Gen Z. I don't get it. What are you listening to right now? What is your current? I mean, I know it because of streaming. Taylor Swift. Aw.

Me too. I'm a total Swiftie. I like country. I like everything but heavy metal. I don't like heavy metal at all. I love I'm a total Swifty. Yeah, I like country. I like everything but heavy metal. Okay, I don't like heavy metal at all I love emo. Yeah, I went to the when we were young emo fest last year and that was just epic Oh how fun? Oh my god. I love 90s pop rock same like third-eye blind. That's oh, yeah I ever banned so I love that across the spectrum and of course classic rock. It is my favorite. I love this

This is great. Yeah Music is a me time thing, I feel like for sure. It starts my day. Like I have a morning playlist, wake up, morning playlist goes on, dance with my dogs in the kitchen, make them breakfast, make me breakfast. Oh my God. It has to happen. I love it.

You dance in the morning. I'm a morning music person too. It starts the tone of the day. Like if you're listening to something like happy. 100%. I need a good beat in the morning. I like to bring it down a little bit at night. Well, it depends on what's happening.

What do you listen to? It depends, I mean, I'm literally, I'm so all over the place right now. I almost wanna like look at my Spotify because I feel like half the time I just shazam songs. I was looking at, I've been watching the show called Drops of God, which is about why. Anyway, the music on there is great. Oh, I've been listening to, is it Bjorn's?

Do you say this right? I just downloaded the song Cloud. Bjorn? Yeah. I've been listening to like that Golden Hour that Jake sang so much, the song called The Rope. I listened to Taylor Swift. I've got, I don't know why. I just like recently came back to the, We Are Young, you know? Oh, love that song. Yes. Fun is amazing.

Fun is amazing. He has the most brilliant voice. Amazing. And I heard it recently, and I'm like, man, if I had a put me in a good mood kind of anthem-y, start the day song, even though it's years old, I mean, I'm all over the place. And then I do a lot of I'm like a 90s hip hop kind of person

as well. Oh, yeah, 90s hip hop. Eminem, I love. Yeah all over the place. And then I do a lot of I'm like a 90s hip hop kind of. Oh, yeah. 90s hip hop. Eminem, I love. Yeah. Same Eminem. Yeah. It really depends on my mood. Like, what do I need right now? Yeah. Sometimes I need like just pink. Oh, last to like make my I'm like, I'm a strong independent woman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Being best for that. It really is.

The absolute best for that. Mary J. Blige, that's another one that I'll put on that's always puts me in a good mood. Pink is like, it covers a lot. It's like emotive. It's like rock. It's like groovy and dancey. And also, as you said, kind of like empowering.

Yeah, it's very empowering. And yet she's still like a wife and a mom. But she's just this badass who is willing to say and do exactly how she feels and how she thinks. Completely authentic. And I'm like, oh yes. I'm like, I love pink. Do you want to hear a funny story? Oh my god, I can't believe I just thought of this. So my first tattoo ever, I was 18. I found this, I used to like read Guitar World magazine. I used to play guitar a lot more in my younger years and there was a picture, it was like an ad for something I think, and it was like a picture of this girl's back

and she had like tattoos on her back and on her shoulder there was like a fairy with like the fairy's hand out blowing like it looked like a shooting star kind of. It was like almost like a star with like little flames. handout blowing, like it looked like a shooting star kind of. It was like almost like a star with like little flames. And I was like, oh, I really liked the way that shooting star looks. So I like cut it out of the magazine and like put it in my wallet when I was like 16 and a half.

And I was like, if I still want this at 18, then I'll get it. So responsible. And I kept it. So when I was 18, I go and get the tattoo and it's like a tramp stamp on my lower back, of course, that went with my Frankie B jeans. Of course, of course.

And then I cannot remember how many years later, I mean, it was probably, I don't know, five or six years ago that I realized what that tattoo was. And it was actually pink. It was her tattoo on her shoulder. Stop it. I have part of her tattoo now as a tramp stamp. Ha ha ha, pink, that's how much we love you.

Oh my God. I could not believe it. Oh my God, that's so, and you had no idea. No. Oh my God. Wait, how did you discover it? You saw it on her shoulder? Yeah, I don't remember if I was like looking.

Oh my God. I was probably down some rabbit hole about like tattoos, celebrity tattoos, or I was looking something up on her and reading an interview and then how many tattoos does she have and I just remembered seeing that on her shoulder and I was like no fucking way. Yeah, yes way. Did I steal part of her tattoo and get it as a tramp stamp? Okay.

22 years ago. That is such a good story and we're talking about this right now. But I don't know that we're going to get better of an ending on that. And yet I feel like I have so much more I want to talk to you about. I love that I keep doing this. I'm so sorry.

Is that bad for the camera? Kristin, I have a million more questions for you. And I want to have you back. I would love to have Luke back when he's back as well. I love that I looked at the chair as if it's like that's his chair and he's not here. Luke, we want to have you back. Because I back as well. I love that I looked at the chair as if it's like, that's his chair and he's not here. Like Luke, we wanna have you back, cause I wanna talk about the couples thing too,

cause I love that. But I thank you so much. Thank you for having me. This has been like so much fun. The sweetest, most open, most, I really hope your clothing line is back. Yeah, I essentially like zeroed the site out because we're coming back with a boom.

Okay. I love that. Big bang. Yes. And it's new and it's fresh and it's you now. Yes. I love this. That's actually, you know what?

I'm going to like write that down and be like in my email to all my James May people. This is, we're going back to why I started the line to begin with. The why. I have a friend, she's like this incredible businesswoman, and she always says that. She's like, always remember your why and then go back to it when you have. So there it's you're going back. Yes. But it's but it's going to be new. Yes. Anyway, thank you so much.

You're just an absolute doll. I love you so much. And thank you. And I cannot wait to drink this like tonight. And I'm going to actually let me know how much you like it. I'm going to talk all about it. And when I get the red, I'll pass. I want the red actually let me know how much you like it I'm gonna talk all about it and when I get the red I'll pass I want the red too all right thank you make sure to follow us on social media you can follow me on all platforms at Kristen Doty and follow Luke on Instagram at Luke double underscore Broderick be sure to click the subscribe button so you can stay up to date with the new episodes Thanks for listening. See you next

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