Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - It All Happened – Last Night on the VPR S11 Finale

Episode Date: May 9, 2024

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when you download June's Journey for free today on iOS and Android. Hey, babe! Welcome back to another episode of It All Happened. Recapping Vanderbump rules season 11 episode 15. This is the finale and it really feels like a finale and it's called plot twist and recapping with me today is my gorgeous BFF, Zachary Wickham. Yay! Yay!

And when you say finale, I agree, it felt pretty final. It really did. Like, we'll get there, but man, the nostalgia. Did you get to watch any of Jackson Sandoval on Watch What Happens Live? I did not. I just watched one clip on YouTube and they were just like talking about season one, like a little bit.

And I was like, oh, man, this is like nostalgia central. All I saw from their thing was that they unfollowed Tom's girlfriend and then refollowed her and then Billy Lee also unfollowed. I was like, what is going on? There was a Twitter drama. Yeah. Who, wait, who unfollowed? So Tom unfollowed Victoria, Victoria unfollowed Jax and Billy Lee also

unfollowed Tom and Tom was also unfollowed her. I don't know. It was like a whole thing. And then all of a sudden, like the next day they were following each other again. I don't know, it was weird. I'm like, what happened in New York? Seriously though. Okay, well, we don't know, but if you guys know,

please email us, drop us a DM. Let us know your thoughts on that. All right, well, let's get started on the finale. So the crew, they're up in San Fran getting ready for the big party, the Kyle Chan party. Sheena's performing on Treasure Island. And we kind of open up and everyone is in their rooms kind of talking about Dan, Ariana's boyfriend,

being in San Francisco and like, is he gonna talk to Tom? Is Tom gonna shake his hand? Is Dan gonna shake his hand back? I didn't understand when Lala and Katie were talking why Lala said Dan sounds like a square. Yeah, nothing that she had said or that anybody had said equated to square. Could it be like, oh, I'm looking out for her

and I feel, I don't know what the emotion would have been, but not square. Right, it just didn't, I was wondering if you understood that, because I'm like, this didn't make any sense to me, or do people use the word square these days in a way that me as a millennial does not? That's a new.

Yeah. No, I don't think so, not at all. Okay, but in Katie, oh, go ahead, sorry. As someone who knows Gen Z vocabulary pretty well from TikTok, I don't think so. Not at all. Okay. But in Katie, as someone who knows Jinzy vocabulary pretty well from TikTok, I don't think that's one of them. No. All right. Well, again, if you guys know Phil, Zach and I, because we're at a loss here, but obviously Katie then comes to her defense. And I thought it was really interesting this whole episode, having Katie and Lala room together, which obviously makes sense

because neither of them are in a relationship that they would have like a roommate, but it's like because they're so on, they're feeling very differently about this whole Ariana thing. I thought it was like interesting conversations happening between the two of them. Like they were never like seeing, you know, on the same side of the fence, I guess. Exactly. It was very much they were, there was a fence between them and they were definitely on opposite sides. Speaking, whatever. Yeah.

I think it was an interesting point because usually you do have where, like if they're filming together, it's like they're usually going to have the same opinions. And that's why you have them. Yeah, like you and I, they would put like you and I rooming together or we would room together anyway, like if Luke went around. and so we would be like, oh my god, do you feel that way? Even if Luke is around. Yeah, right. I thought it was like an interesting moment, and they were chill about it. Katie and Lala, they weren't like fighting, but they were just

not agreeing on anything. So it was like interesting having very yeah it was very like nonchalant opinions like just oh here's my opinion and there wasn't like fighting behind it they both weren't like mad at each other but it was definitely like what they were saying was exact opposite which i did find like oh that's kind of crazy that we've like grown up into this well we'll just have really vastly differing opinions and we'll just be chill for a second. Yeah, right? Oh my God, talk about a finale moment.

So then we are with Sheena and Brock talking about like Tom is helping her just kind of reiterating like Tom's helping her set everything up. He's setting up the stage. And I feel like the last few episodes and this entire episode is still this like Sheena's on a struggle bus with how she feels about Tom is he being genuine? And then you know and Brock has kind of stood his ground on how he feels But he was saying this something this rubbed me the wrong way and I this could be like a personal thing But when Brock said like well Tom reaches Tom reaches out, Ariana doesn't, and they just kind of kept calling him very generous

and talking about all the things Tom does for them or does for him. And I'm like, wait, so is that why you like Tom? Because he buys things, he is generous with his time, with his money, so you're saying like, we gain things from, I mean, that's just the way I took it. I'm not saying it's fact, but the way Brock said it and Sheena said it a little bit later in the episode. I was like so Because he does things for you or buys you things. I don't know and I'm not saying this against Sandoval at all

I'm just talking strictly about the way I received what Brock was saying Yeah I thought it was just a weird thing to kind of add in there because that's not it doesn't matter if he's giving gifts or time or whatever. If you've still done something that was terrible and you still haven't learned from that, and you're not changing your behaviors or giving. later because Ariana says that she wants she's like, Okay, where's my apology behind the scenes? Where's my like, note that no one would know about that I can read whenever I felt like it. And I do feel like that has always been missing from Tom's apologies. And so in this moment, I'm like, Okay, well, that and that is very true. I have seen Tom be very generous with people. I've seen him do stuff like that, but also he ignores people too.

And does, you know what I mean? So for them to say that, I just don't see how that is relevant to why people wouldn't, I don't know, wanna move forward with him. Yeah, and I'm not saying like, Sandoval hasn't been showing any sort of growth or anything like that because I have seen some I mean it is a little flip-floppy because when he doesn't get his way

He kind of freaks out so it wasn't against Tom, but I was just kind of like Brock So what is it like it didn't feel like Brock was like well Tom is You know this and that and he's funny and he's fun to be around and all of that He's like yeah, he like, he does things for me. Okay. I don't know. It just led me the wrong way.

That's actually it too. It's not like, oh, he's so much fun to be around. He's so loving. He's so, it's like, no, he, you know, he gives us things. He's paying for your performance, Sheena. Like, oh, okay. It just was, yeah, I don't know. And maybe it was just the way Brock worded it.

We all know that I word things not the way that I should at times, so I'm not saying. Very true. Like, Brock is using Tom, just the way it was worded rubbed me wrong. It felt weird. But Sheena's obviously,

she actually goes against what Brock said. And Sheena was like, I don't agree with you. I think, she was like, Ariana is my best friend. No, she doesn't always like return the phone call. And we know that I've known for, you know, as many years as we've both been friends with Sheena, that's something that Sheena, it's part of her love language.

The way she likes to be loved is to be acknowledged and replied to and paid attention to and have her phone calls answered. But she acknowledges that that's not really who Ariana is all the time, but that she's like like I just end of story I will never turn my back on her. She's my best friend and I thought that that was really sweet of her That's exactly how I've seen their friendship be forever and ever like since I've been in LA

That's how their friendship has been and so it's nice to because I know there's been so much back and forth I don't know if it's just editing or, you know, what exactly it is, but it has been a little back and forth and kind of throwing some digs in there. So to see Sheena say something like that and just solidify it again, that like, hey, above all, like, it doesn't matter. It was nice to see. Yeah, because then I think we as the at least you and I both get it. But I think the fans of the show and the viewers can really see Sheena struggle in that moment because she

is trying to get she's trying not to like pretend like she and Tom didn't have a really good friendship but her struggle lies in the fact that she is going to be loyal to Ariana so she's like what the fuck do I do? So that was like a real internal struggle that I saw like for the first time. And it was one of, and this is no offense to Sheena, but it was one of the first times in the last few episodes that I didn't hear Sheena go, me, me, me. Like what about how I feel, even though she does that later in the episode, but in this moment she's not talking about herself. So it felt extremely genuine, you know?

It felt very genuine and very much the Sheena that we know. Totally. Do you ever have a congested nose, but it's just one side that's clogged? It's like the left is the freeway at rush hour and the right is like the freeway in the middle of the night. I need to give AstroPro a go. AstroPro is the first of its kind nasal allergy spray.

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to say that it was a real choice for Brock to decide, hey, I'm gonna do a mustache on the fina... I'm like, dude, we just went through this a whole season with Tom Sandoval and that. And now you want to bring back the mustache the very last day, and then say you're like buddy buddies. I was like, he's fully buzzed on the side. So when he has like a hat on, you just see a mustache. I know. I'm like, I see mustache. That's it. Mustache and hat. I'm like, bro, you chose that. Oh, I love you. It was a choice. It was definitely a choice. I was like, you did that. Okay, cool. And so then the crew takes the trolley through San Francisco. It's kind of whatever fun moments and Lala asks Ariana like, was she going to come on the trolley even if Tom was there? Like is this all they're going to do from now on is just be like, what about Tom?

How would you feel if Tom was here? I think Ariana's made it fairly fucking clear. Like, just stop trying to force, stop trying to make fetch happen. She just needs to hold up a sign that says no. Seriously. Nope. Like a dry erase board or like an index card. Exactly.

She has answered this question a thousand times and I get that you have to ask, I guess, but come on. Let's just ask anything else. Exactly. All right, what are you wearing tonight? I don't know, something like that. And then they go to Chinatown and that was a little reminiscent for me.

Have you spent a lot of time in San Francisco? Okay, this is it. Get ready, I've never been to San Francisco. Stop it. Swear, I know, so weird, right? I've been to every other major city in America, pretty much like Europe,'ve been to every other major city in America, pretty much like, you know, Europe. Never been to San Francisco.

We're going to take a bestie trip to San Fran. Katie and I went there one time just to for the shits and giggles. We got a tattoo. We hung out, but we did Chinatown. It was a really good time. Any who's these? But yes, they go to this restaurant called Nanking's. I thought this was really interesting too, just like not Vanderpump interesting, but how this restaurant, they're like, so it's chef's choice, we're gonna bring a bunch of stuff out.

And I was like, that's fun as hell. They're like, please do not have your LA tendencies to say you can't have gluten or this. We're just gonna stop you right now. I actually really appreciated that and loved that. That waitress basically shut it down before it even happened. Yeah, she's like, if you want to add to it, and no, we don't have ranch, you guys. We

have gluten, we don't have ranch. And then out of nowhere, though, this felt, I don't know where the conversation maybe was what was happening pre this moment. Obviously don't see everything. Right. But all of a sudden, she was like Shorts, have you ever had a threesome? Like what? I thought it was so great. Way to make Tom uncomfortable as hell. But that's the funny, that's actually,

I'm so glad Sheena asked him that and made him feel uncomfortable like that because Tom is so awkward talking about that type of stuff, even off camera. Totally. And to have that moment caught, that was great. Yeah, he's like, he like starts doing his like New York accent that he does when he's uncomfortable. He's like, hey, you know, it might be like a buggy list thing. Like he's like in the mafia. Yeah, and also I'm like, Tom, Tom, you're telling us you've never actually, you know what,

if there's actually one person at that table that I would say, yeah, they probably haven't had a threesome. It would be, well, Ali and then him. Yes. I feel like they're just, yeah, like they're probably like, oh no, just maybe just one. Yeah, not really their jam. Yeah, exactly. But I feel like everybody else at that table. And then Dan laughing when he was asked at the end, if he had had a threesome, he's like, ha ha ha. He's like, are we done yet?

Are we done, do I have to say it? There was so much comedy to Lala's like sort of 20 questioning him, but also why the fuck was Lala interrogating him? Like to the point of like no return. Like was everyone really sitting there for like two hours while she was like, so I have all these questions. I did feel like it was a little intense, while she was like, so I have all these questions.

I did feel like it was a little intense, like it was like kind of that spitfire. But at the same time, I really did appreciate it because she was like, she said, oh, Dan's handling this like a champ. Yes. She's like, he didn't break the sweat. Yeah. Yeah. Like he knew or she knew what she was doing.

But for him to just be like, yeah, and like rolling with it, I feel like that showed a side of Dan that nobody had gotten to see. And that like, Lala was just she was, you know, she is trying to be a good friend trying to like get those questions out there. And his answers were all good and chill. That's a really good point. Because Lala is very publicly, you know, after her breakup with you-know-who She was like, oh, I have a private investigator. I want to know everything about these men

But if they're gonna come into my life, so she's like well This man's gonna be in my friend's life and gonna be around our group. You don't tell me I want to know thing Yeah, I want to know exactly and I do feel like sometimes that is lost on us because There's there's a lot of times where we bring in people and it's happened in our group as well, where like, why why do we have to bring in that person just because they were nice to you once or just because they whatever like they don't need to be around but all of a sudden they get invited to everything and I'm like, we don't know this person. Why are

we doing this? Like, so I'm glad we don't know this person why are we doing this like so I'm glad that Lala's putting her shield up a little being like whoa just because he's nice or whatever like let's get to the root of why he is here. Right and everyone obviously we all know Ariana is smitten so happy in love they have the cutest he's And he's been, he's not trying to get on the show. He's not, that is, yeah, I don't think there's any malicious, I've never even met him and I feel that way. Like just hearing stories from you all. Yeah, no, he's so great.

Luke got to meet him. I've, again, here's me screwing up with my words. I was like, please don't do this again. No, when we did a podcast with Ariana, I was just like thinking about when did we meet Dan and I said, Sheena's wedding. And then I was like, wait, it wasn't Sheena's wedding, it was San Francisco,

because we were all in a hotel getting ready and Luke and I went to Dan and Ariana's room in San Francisco. But on my previous podcast, I said, Sheena's wedding. And then everyone was like, wait, Ariana knew him then? I was like, oh damn it you guys people ran wild with that and you even corrected it in the podcast and Later on social media. Yeah, but no we spent time with Dan and

Ariana in San Francisco and we did in fact go to Applebee's afterward, which was phenomenal Applebee's I did not understand that Luke was not happy about it. He was like we're in fact go to Applebee's afterward, which was phenomenal. What is with Applebee's? I did not understand that. Luke was not happy about it. He was like, we're in San Francisco, they have the best seafood ever, and we're going to fucking Applebee's, and we were like, yes. It was so much fun.

I love Applebee's. I'm all about my Olive Garden, I'm all about my chain restaurants too. Hell yeah. However, what Applebee's out of all that, I don't know. Yeah, I want some french fries and ranch. I like how Luke and I are from Indiana and Kentucky and we're over here like, no,

we're gonna go with no on that one. Dude, I love a good chain restaurant. We only have one here in Burbank. I don't even know if there's an Applebee's there. Like, heaven. This group. And then, so within this 20 Questioning Dan, like Schwartz is always the comic relief

and this is where he's like Dan Have you ever had a threesome? like Schwartz you're the best and then This felt like the most inappropriate time for this But I guess when is a better time than now according to Sheena, but Sheena's like so Ariana I'm gonna tell you about my conversation with Tom Even though it was a wonderful thing that Sheena brought up that she did grill Tom on weaponizing Ariana's mental health. But Katie steps in and I think I would have done the same where Katie's just like, I'm fucking tired of talking about Tom. This is way

more nuanced than that. You know what I mean? Way more nuanced. But also like, it does suck that it's like Sheena's trying to do the good thing where she's trying to get to the root of he's she's trying to help Tom realize things. Yes. But at the same time, if you can't realize that you weaponize Ariana's mental health, or you can't realize these things, I don't know if we can talk about it anymore. You know, like, he's gonna have to get to that place in his own time. And I think, again, I mean, not to make it about me, it's the only way I know how to like reflect and think about like where Tom is in his life and with this group, because I've been in that situation before where I was exiled. I was iced out by pretty much everybody, you know, 10 plus years ago.

And I think, I just think the best thing for Tom is going to have to figure it out. Like he really is, does have to figure it out on his own. Well, I think you said it best the other day, you were like, you know, when I watched it back, and I thought I was right, like in previous seasons on VPR, when you thought you had the moral high ground or that you thought you, you know, did something, and then you realize you had to like really reflect and grow from that and be like, oh wow, and you know, take a step back and I don't know if he has fully done that yet.

Right, because when you still, the problem is when you still have your own feelings about it, which everyone will, right? Tom's always gonna have his own feelings. But when your feelings are higher on the pedestal, if you will, than what you did to hurt someone else, you're always gonna be defensive. And I think until he can let go of how he feels about it

and really just focus on how he hurt some people and when he can kind of go through those motions, it's not that his feelings don't matter. He is a human being. He's not just a character on a TV show, right? And people do forget that. But at the same time, like you kind of got to sit in the mud for a little bit, dude. And you really haven't had to. He's trying to get out of the mud before being fully submerged in the mud. Like you need to really get in there and kind of, I hate to say the word take it,

but like, but take it and not have a response and really sit with it. For sure. And honestly, I would have loved to see that side of him. I think it'll come and I think it can happen. I'd like to believe that it can, but I just don't think enough time had passed, you know, like we've said a million times

Oh true is that they filmed Season 10 then they filmed the like epilogue for it If you will they picked the cameras up and then they jumped right into season 11 and like no one had time to breathe No one on the entire cast had time to breathe to be fair So it's probably great that they're taking this hiatus because they would just be right back talking about the same shit again And it's gonna make them all crazy, you know? Yeah, I also feel like taking the time, I feel like shows should kind of switch up

what time of the year, because even on Vanderpump Rules, it was always filmed at the same time. So you had the same people's birthdays every year, you had the same, you know, like, oh, we're going on this type of trip, blah, blah, blah. It would be nice to then go to a different point in the year when it's different people's birthdays, different events going on. And you get a different thing because I've always said, whether cameras are up or cameras

are down, there is shit going on with us. And so if you get a different season, you're going to get a different like view into our lives. So I feel like that's actually gonna refresh it a lot more than what people I think think that, oh my God, the cameras are down. They're extending when they're going to do next season. I feel like that's to give everybody, like you said, the breathing room and the room to make new things be the thing instead of just, oh, let's continue to beat this dead horse that is so dead.

We like it's smelling now. Like we don't care. Yeah. Like Peter's going to come after them. That horse is suffering. And that, but then, so in this scene, then Lala kind of is expressing, like she's getting this cool girl vibe from Ariana. And that really bothered

me because I love Ariana and I've talked to her about this stuff till we've been blue in the face like when it happened and it's not that it's in my opinion it's that Ariana is still going through this grieving process. She's right now angry. That's part of the grieving process. She's going through the anger. Let her be fucking angry when she doesn't want to be. I know she doesn't want to be angry, but like when she decides that or it fades for her, then she'll go through the next part of the grieving process. But it's all just about time. And this isn't, in my opinion, Ariana's not trying to be like too cool for school or like not feel. I think she's sick of feeling and she's sick of talking about it and she just wants to like move on with her life right now

She'll do it on her own time. Arianna is a very emotionally intelligent girl woman It almost was to the detriment of the show that they started filming So soon after everything went down after picking cameras back up because if they had given it a little bit more space You probably would have gotten a different response picking cameras back up. Because if they had given it a little bit more space, you probably would have gotten a different response. But it was not even months. It was like a month later, and then they're going through the season. That is not enough time. And then she has to talk about it every single day. That's just not healthy for her. And I think people really forget that.

I'm glad she has Katie like constantly sticking up for her and just saying like, let everyone make their own choices for themselves. Like Ariana does not have to agree with you guys. Like just leave her be, stop trying to convince her. Brock, Sheena, Lala, just let her figure it out on her own and like what the fuck does it affect you guys? What, because there's chaos in the friend group.

When has there not been chaos in the front group? If you care about Ariana, let her fucking be, let her just be. Exactly. If any of them were in Ariana's position and everyone was shoving someone down their throat, they would lose their effing mind. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to go back to it, but you know, the point where they show last season with Tom and Lala talking about him, that guy. Lala's ex. Yeah, Lala's ex. And she was,

I remember that period of time. She was so mad about it. And there had been more time at that moment that had passed. Granted, yes, there's a thousand other things tied into that, and I agree, but at the same time, like, it's kind of the same situation and not getting the same race. No, I agree, and I think that's been my issue watching this show and recapping it as a viewer, because again, we were not there.

I was in San Francisco, but I was not there throughout the season. I was in San Francisco, but I was not there throughout the season. We were filming the Valley. So I wasn't there firsthand. And this isn't because Lala and I aren't friends now, but I've had a hard time hearing it from Lala and I do understand Lala has a child and that is higher stakes. I get it. We all understand, but it does not change the fact that she was cheated on, she was treated really poorly by this person, and Ariana was cheated on and treated very poorly by her person. Why can't Lala wrap her head around that? And she tries to make them so separate.

And yes, again, having ocean, the stakes are higher. But it doesn't matter. That doesn't matter about how Ariana feels. Let her feel the way she feels. And Lala is putting a hard line in the sand, which I think one of the episodes was called that this season. But she put a hard line in the sand about, if you ever talk to this man again, you choose me or him. I don't want anyone that's in his life in my life.

Ariana is saying the same exact thing, but no one we're not I have no one most people are not respecting that When Lala had that family meeting I was there for it. We all said not a problem got it So why is what makes her so special? I've said it about James Kennedy. No one fucking listened to me No one's really respecting Ariana's wish. So it's like, I don't know, I just find it to be very hypocritical at times. I'm gonna throw in the caveat. Please do.

Is that Lala's ex was not on the show and your ex and Ariana's ex are. Touche. And so that's, that is the one little, that is the difference. That is the difference. That is the difference. Yeah, that is a fair point.

That she's just saying like filming, you can't like not film in general. I get that. Yeah. Any who's who. We'll get back to that at the end. Yeah. Brock surprises Sheena for her performance.

He has like rose petals on the bed and some cute candy and that's adorable. And then Schwartz goes over to Tom's room. Schwartz tells Sandoval like, you know, I met Dan. Then we have like Lisa FaceTiming Sheena and it's kind of like everyone's just like, okay, let's get ready for tonight and kind of recapping what we saw already to the people that weren't there. So then we're with Katie and Lala again and Lala tells Katie Sheena is looking for Ariana's approval.

She said that Sheena's living her life for Ariana and that there are like these rules for it, which Katie disagrees. Katie wants to show the other side of it. And Katie says that she thinks that Sheena should be the exception to the boundary, And Katie says that she thinks that Sheena should be the exception to the boundary, which is kind of what we were just talking about. Like, I think it is very healthy for Ariana to put up boundaries. And Ariana does say later on, if Sheena decided to be talking to Tom, she's not going to completely cut her out of her life. She just doesn't want to be around it.

And I think that's really fair. Right. And I feel like she just doesn't also want to talk about it. So it's like, if you want to have your own relationship, great, but just don't then bring it back to me and tell me what he is saying, because I do not care. Yes. You know what I mean? Like, if you're going to have a conversation with, like, just going back to the weaponizing the mental health thing, okay, well, I don't wanna hear that you had that conversation. I don't wanna know what your conversation was because it is not affecting.

Yeah, it kind of, it feels, yeah, I guess I could see it that way. Like if I were in Ariana's shoes, it would be like, okay, well, why are you telling me this? Cause you think that's gonna change my mind? Nothing's gonna change my mind right now. Out of sight, out of mind, that's how I'd like to leave my ex boyfriend for right now.

And everyone should just respect it. So then Tom expresses that he wants to apologize for weaponizing her mental health. He just wants the tension to subside and good for short see for like this season. I'm seeing some real growth in him putting his foot down, but he was like, dude, it's not a good idea. Like you got to be cautious. Like this is not a good idea. Like, you got to be cautious. Like, this is not a good idea. And something that I noticed, I said this kind of about Sheena earlier, and I'll say it about myself as well, is that I think the

issue with Tom right now is that there's a lot of I. Like, why doesn't Ariana see I'm working on myself? I this, I that. It's all about him right now proving himself when exactly what you just said Zach like Ariana doesn't want him to prove shit She just doesn't want to know she's not looking for that. Yeah, right. And again, if you want to tell her where's the letter? Slipped under a door or given to her off-camera Do you and again, it's like that proving do you just want to show me for the audience for your, you know, oh, I've done it now. Hey, audience, look, or do you want to be genuine about it and do it under and have some real emotion? And I think that's where Ariana is so justified in everything she's doing because she's like, he's had, and

at this point he has had months to to do something to show something like that off camera, and he has it. Right. So yeah, that was kind of her old point about like a redemption arc, or as she used to call it, about me back in the day, she was like, Kristen's on her apology tour. So I heard this thing, this is a little off topic, but also in topic. So I heard this thing the other day, it was on TikTok or Instagram. This woman was talking about the eye, the eye of it all.

And she said that if you're the kind of person that's always like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, right? Try instead of making, so you're not making it about yourself instead of saying, I'm sorry, like if you're late for something. Not like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry I'm late. It's thank you, thank you for your patience. Make it about the other person and say thank you instead of I'm sorry.

I think Tom Sandoval has said enough of the I'm sorries that people are not really buying it or believing it anymore. And I thought there was just something powerful to that, for myself as well, but just being like thanking someone for their patience, for their time, for their consideration, rather than being like, it's about me. I think that might help him later down the road. We're all a little bit of eye. I mean, we're on fucking reality TV.

Yeah, of course. And I mean, and also it is our lives and how each these things affect not just one person, but everybody and You are allowed to have your emotions that are just yours, you know, yeah for sure so Everyone's kind of showing up to Party everyone looks gorgeous. Ariana looked kind of fuck in that dress like damn girl But everyone looks so stunning all the all the girls looked so beautiful. The guys looked very

dapper. Good job, guys. We have this quick James and Ali moment. I literally thought he was about to propose. I was like, what I did, I was like, how did we I was like, did he undercover propose if we didn't know about it? I would love to, like someone on like a TikTokker, someone like Gen Z person to do, you know, like the juxtaposition or like the compare contrast of like when he was talking to Raquel, like before he proposed all the things he said

versus all the things he's saying to Ali. It just sounded the same, but I'm like, I don't know, maybe everyone does that with their significant other. Like you kind of talk the same, but it just felt like that moment. I was like, oh, please don't know, maybe everyone does that with their significant other. You kind of talk the same. But it just felt like that moment. I was like, oh, please don't get on one knee in a fucking parking lot. I was literally bracing myself. I was like, oh, God, is this happening?

And I mean, I'm glad that it didn't. I'm glad that Ali is like, when I'm ready. Right. Good. If she's ever. And now we have girl Jo. Good old Joseph in Tea Money. Jo expresses in her confessionals,

which I still can't believe she had on the show, that she would like to be with Tom. And then in the scene or at the party, Tom's like, you wanna go over to the lion's den? Yeah, that sounds fantastic. And Joe says, she really wants to tell Katie how she feels. I was like, I fucking wish I knew this was going on when I was there.

I would have grabbed me some popcorn and some whiskey and just sat there for the pure entertainment of it all. But I felt really bad for Katie. Like Katie, you could tell like she didn't want to like get angry or anything in that moment, especially not because of Joe. And it was just kind of being shoved. It's like everyone's like shoving their feelings down people's throats at this fucking party. And it's like, God, just leave everybody alone. But I guess it is the finale. So they have to like, wrap things up a bit. And Joe did want to talk to her, you know, so Joe basic

But the thing was Joe's like, you know, I'm in her confessional. She says if I say sorry, I'm hoping she'll say sorry back Okay, so you're not sorry. You just are hoping for an apology for fucking what because Katie's like I sent you a text after your divorce and that text was like like it was crazy text after your divorce and that text was like, it was crazy. Like what was that tech that made no sense. And also, how's Katie supposed to respond to that? And then, like not even months later, you're staying quote unquote, at Tom's house, whether it was staying or moved in or whatever, it was very sneaky and underhanded. And I mean, I blame Tom for part of this too. So don't think I'm

letting Tom off. But at the same time, like Joe also, out of nowhere stopped being your friend, stop talking to you, you guys were totally fine, had no issues, no problems, whatever. And then you're just trying to be like, Hey, what's going on? And then she blocks you like, that is what I don't think people understand, like all this, because you're not on Vanderpump rules, all this stuff that was happening, because people don't understand why I have such strong emotions

towards her. I'm like, I was around all of this. Like, I know Joe, we all dealt with this for years. This was like not something that is normal behavior. And we know what she says on her Instagram lives, just all the, yeah, I guess to make it about me, like all the shit about me. And let me tell you guys a little something. My little brother was in town recently. Oh, this was so good. Oh, this was so good.

And my brother, like, he knows bigger things in town recently. Oh, this was so good. Oh, this was so good. And my brother, he knows bigger things in my life. He doesn't know all the ins and outs of all the gossip and drama. He doesn't live in California. But- And he's not living in blogs or anything. Right. But Joe had reached out to my brother and my brother was like,

"'Oh yeah, I'm coming to California.'" And then she calls him. And my brother happens to be with me and Zach and Luke and Brittany at Brittany's Airbnb. She calls my brother and they get on the phone. My brother puts it on speaker because otherwise I would have slit his throat. And girl Jo starts saying, he's like,

oh, I didn't know you and my sister weren't really friends anymore. And she's like, no, we're just like taking a little break. But like, it'll get back there. And I'm like, what in the crazy as hell is this bitch talking about? She then tells my brother that Brittany and Jax text her just now. So in that moment to tell her about my dog, Bowie passing away while I'm at Brittany's Airbnb with Zach, my brother.

And Brittany doesn't even have Joe's number. Nor does Jack's. Exactly. And my jaw hit the floor. I was like, what in the crazy hell is happening right now? And then she was like trying to make plans with my brother. I'm like, what the fuck? This was the day after she went on that Instagram Live and we saw the Instagram Live that next

day. So this is all while she is in an Instagram Live saying, nope, I would never be friends with Kristin again, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, bitch, as if you had a choice. Nice try. Let's talk about the things the way they really are. God, that was the most cringe live ever. It was insane. And then so like watching this scene,

like this part of the party with Joe and Katie, Lala and Tom Schwartz. And Joe is like, well, I'm sorry if I, and Katie goes, not if, it's not I'm sorry if, it's just I'm sorry. And then I'm like Schwartz, I wanna like yank your ears like right now. I wanna grab your ear and drag you away

from this conversation because it wasn't fair to Katie watching him be like, Katie, why don't you just like give her a chance? Like she just wanted to make peace. And Katie's like, cause I don't want fucking peace right now. Like Tom should have known better. And I really loved when Katie said,

her feelings are none of my business I was like Katie's just the fucking hair glow up the bod glow up Everything glow up Katie is that these fucking boundaries good for her in this especially this conversation But definitely this season I've seen a side of Katie that is much different. But in this moment, I'm like Katie Just she eviscerated Joe. She was like, No, you're not. You were so far removed from what I care about. Okay, this is not even an apology. Goodbye. Right. And yeah, and Tom's like, Oh, Katie, like, don't give me an ultimatum. And Katie goes, it's not an ultimatum. I said, keep her away. That's it. Very simple. I thought that was the best part.

Yeah, no, I really enjoyed it. And so then Sandoval awkwardly introduces himself to Dan. Of course, Dan handles it like a champ. It's a very weird moment, but, um, you know, Ali says, I feel like that just had to happen and be done. I don't know if it did or didn't, but I'm glad it was short. Well, I feel like Tom was going to do it no matter what. Yeah. So at least it was like it needed to like if it's going to need to happen, it better

just be short and sweet and done. Right. And so she performs, she does a fucking killer job and Sheena and Ariana are like hugging afterward and Sandoval walks over to try to apologize to Ariana about the mental health thing and Ariana is like, I'm done. And this was really interesting to me how they showed Jeremiah, the show runner, producer Jerry, as you guys know. And Ariana's like, he does not get access to my life. I think Ariana at this point just hit her.

She hit her breaking point. I don't think she wanted to end the last day of filming that way. I don't think that she wanted to just walk away, but I feel like she truly just hit her breaking point with people trying to shove Tom down her throat, especially the last 48 hours. It was pretty wild. I do see everyone's point. It is frustrating. People get frustrated with me when I demike myself or I want to remove myself from a situation, But sometimes like you really do have to do that for your own mental well-being. That's that. I think it is.

I think that, and then as we see after that, which we'll get into Tom, Tom, yeah. Well, and Tom freaking out, I think this is what I meant earlier when I said like this flip floppy thing, Tom does. It's like an adult temper tantrum. Like try it. He's trying, trying, trying. It's never taken seriously. It's never listened to or reciprocated.

And now he's like had it. And he throws this adult temper tantrum and starts screaming and he's like, she calls me performative. Well, she's the performative one. And it's like, here we go, pointing fingers, pointing fingers, because you're not getting it your way.

Instead of just accepting it and saying, you know what? Whatever. And they can all get mad about the show. I do get it. I do understand. Everyone has put their blood, sweat and tears in this for many, many years and this whole season. But at the end of the day, like one day Vanderpump rules won't exist one day, right? And Ariana still needs to live her own life and within her own happiness. So just everyone leave her the fuck alone. That's how I felt. Like don't put that pressure on her that if she doesn't have this big conversation with Tom, she's like ruined the show single-handedly.

It's not fair. It's kind of one of those things where it's like at the end of the day, like what do you need to give the audience access to, or what, like as a person that's on reality TV, what are the conversations you need to have that you normally wouldn't maybe have in real life? And so I think that's where there's some frustration, but I think you said it best, like at the end of the day, it's like, you've gotta protect yourself,

and if one day when this doesn't end, you still need to be okay with you and be like happy and yeah, absolutely. There's got there has to be some sort of balance there and I just don't think Ariana has been granted the time to heal. And then we finally get to one of the biggest moments that was in the teaser in the trailer in the beginning of the season when Lala says she thinks she's God or she thinks she's, well, she said first she thinks she's Beyonce, and then she acts like God.

And I remember when I talked about this in the beginning of recapping the season of Vanderpump, Lala had said publicly that, you know, everyone needed to watch because it was a bit taken out of context. So I see what she means in the way that she was just talking about Ariana not finishing the scene, but I still thought it was a really fucking gnarly thing to say. Like that is so fucking unfair. That's just my personal viewpoint on it. Don't come down on her with this fucking iron fist because she doesn't feel like

having a cry fest with her ex-boyfriend when her boyfriend is with her on top of that. Also, I do feel like in these moments where Ariana is not feeling like that's something she wants to do or whatever, well then, Lala, why isn't something going on with you that we can then film? Like, you know what I mean?

Like, why has it all got to rest on Ariana's shoulders? Because what, there's nothing else going on? Sorry that you're, you know, there's not something that you're bringing to the table in this moment that could be brought. I just think it was a lot of pressure, yeah, to put the whole future of the show, or at least to go out with a bang in the finale

that that all had to rest on one person's shoulders, I think was not super fair. I do kind of get it, cause it's like, well, if you're gonna sign on, like Ariane, if you're gonna sign on to do the show, everybody's kind of waiting for that big blow up moment with Tom. But I feel like she kind of gave that

in season 10, where she- Well, and they have the reunion. She has to sit in the room with him at the reunion. So just like, let her be right now. You guys know you're filming a reunion. I don't know, that's just how I felt. So then we have this like huge final moment where their show, Lala's kind of giving,

it's kind of like an epilogue, I guess, like just here's the ending of everything. And when they started showing everyone's face from their first season. Oh my God. I was in tears. I'm like, oh my God. That's from 2012, 2011.

It's wild. We shot the pilot in 2011. It was just so crazy. And it did, yeah, so it did feel very final in that moment. And that's kind of what I've been reading on social media as well. But what we do know moving forward is that Vanderpump is on a hiatus for the summer. They have not said they're not coming back. They're just saying they're going to take a little bit of time. So we'll see what happens from here. Yeah, it was definitely, I feel like, a good episode for the end of the season to just-

For sure. Yeah, like wrap everything up. You know what the only thing missing though is that Lisa, Lisa wasn't there, which felt a little- Oh yeah. It felt a little odd, not saying, I'm sure she had other shit to do and couldn't fly up to San Francisco,

but it was kind of like, well wait, shouldn't she be there for the finale? But again, I guess she's there for the reunion and she and a face timed her but Lisa's always at the finale and it kind of wraps Vander pump into a bow, you know, it's named after her for fuck's sake. Exactly. So reunions coming up next. And we'll see those reunions I I can like, my butthole is clenching just thinking of what is like, I know they're gonna be intense. Yes.

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