Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - It All Happened – Last Night on VPR S11 E2

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

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Stack more, spend less. The Happy Stack, only at CUDO. Conditions apply. What's up, guys? Welcome back to another episode of It All Happened. We are on Vanderpump Rules season 11, episode 2. That is just such like a clusterfuck in my mouth. And I told you on Instagram that I have a very special guest with me tonight. Everybody knows Up and Adam Live. What's up, Adam? Hi, I miss you. I miss you. I feel like people, I don't know if people really know. I know you talk about it on your podcast and YouTube and everything that you worked at Sir, but like that's how long I've known you.

I got fired from Sir in 2013. My gosh, I have photos in my phone from me, you, Rachel Walters, a few other people at the Abbey, also out with like Jax and a few other people. I met you right before you started filming season two. That's when I started working at Sir. Okay. I was thinking it was season one, but okay. Yeah. I feel like I've known you since way before Vanderpump was even a thing. It's wild. A lot of the guys, I'm gay now. So things have changed. Wait, were you not then? No, I was, Rachel was sleeping at my house. Oh, that's true.

That is true. That's so weird. I just thought you guys were like besties, even though we knew things were happening. I don't know. Also, you guys, for the sound effects, German Shepherd Jill is drinking her water because my dogs love fucking around to find out when I'm recording a podcast. They don't do anything when I'm not. Thanks, Jill. Anyway, Adam, I'm freaking out over having you, even though I feel like we're just

homies forever. But your podcast, your YouTube has blown up so much. I was just telling you this, that I have friends, LA friends, Michigan friends, friends from all over the country, constantly send me things, whether or not Vanderpump's on, The Valley was announced. I'm talking like even before that, every time they have some sort of gossip or just like tea, like before they've heard it on like Us Weekly, they're like sending me links to your shit. And I'm so proud of you. You put in the fucking work, like you do God's work. I think I'm just a prettier Perez. No, I'm just kidding. Well, that's true. That's obviously true.

I can throw that shade because I had him on for an interview and literally he's like, oh, you just asked me a question, but let me tell you about my new CBD gummies. I was like, God damn it. I'm done. I'm done. Jason, cut the feed. Fuck that. No, but you really are doing God's work. I constantly talk about you on Sex, Love, and What Else Matters, as well as our Vanderpump stuff, because I just hear all the tea from you. And I don't listen to Rachel Goes Rogue. I don't listen to whatever Tom Sandoval's podcast is. I just have to go to you, and I'd rather hear your voice.

I love that. Thank you. And I miss you, and I appreciate you. I miss you and I appreciate you and I love seeing you win. And I love the fact that we are about to get you back on our TV screens and see your new relationship and just see. I mean, it's been a minute, so I can't wait to see how much you've evolved. I'm so invested, especially because I feel like, you know, you're just one of those moments in my 20s that, one of my favorite moments like you and sir, and all of that. So you, Sheena and I were a really good time. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. I still talk to Sheena all the time. I just hosted her show with her in August. I met some of the people from the Valley. It was a lot of fun. It's going to be a good time. All right. Well, let's get to it. Cause you are a busy ass man, especially on a Vanderpump below deck type of a night. So let's get into VPR real quick. So I missed the first nine minutes and someone sent

me a TikTok and it clearly I didn't miss very much. So where I jumped in was Jason, the drummer, Jason, like the manager of the band being at Santa ball's house. You know, it was so awkward. I felt so bad for Anne. And as we know, Anne just launched her own podcast. We signed an NDA or whatever with her co-host, Amanda. And she got a voice in that podcast because on the show, she seemed so meek.

And when she had to bring the awkward conversation to Ariana about Tom having a party, which is what we saw, and then Ariana was like, a party, which is what we saw. And then Ariana was like, fuck no, I'll call the cops. Of course, of course Ariana said that. If I were Ariana, I'd be like, absolutely not. And yes, bless Ann. I met Ann for the first time at Dancing with the Stars and it was on Taylor Swift night. And she gave me a bracelet, a friendship bracelet. And I was like, I just love you. Swift night and she gave me a bracelet, a friendship bracelet. And I was like, I just love you. How did you work for that monster? And as we all know, per your podcast, Anne has resigned.

That's how I found out. Anne has resigned. And you know, it's so funny too. I'm watching this and I see where Ariana is living in her own quarters. And obviously you were very much so a part of this at the time, but you know, for us to get to see it as viewers who were not in the house and seeing his stupid white noise machine, I told Jason, I said, if you pulled that shit that Tom pulled on me, we had to live in the same house and you put a white noise machine in the house, I would shove that. So there is no way, absolutely not. I think that, especially as we all get a little bit older and aging like fine wine, I feel like, fuck no, there's certain things out of a 10 in his bedroom 24 seven. Fuck off, Sandoval.

Just wait for him to leave. When he left for the Survivor Show or whatever it was, the whatever it was. Let's not give him that much credit. Special forces. Special forces. Right. credit, special forces. Special forces, right? When he left for that, she should have had the house, like a sound system put in, maybe from one of the endorsements that she got or whatever the case was, had a sound system put in where she could just turn it on and blast him out of the

room anytime she wanted to. And then just been like, oops, I don't know how that got there. You know, here's the thing is that Ariana doesn't really think about Tom when he's not around. Otherwise I think she would have just called me and that would have been enough to get him away. She should have hired both of us. Like I'm, I know I'm pretty chill when it comes to him because I just don't care. But if I were around and he was messing with her, it would be a different story, you know? And what blew my mind in the first 15 minutes of this episode is him just being like, you know, I haven't seen Rachel. Like I miss her. I'm very much in love with her. What are you in love? You're not in love with anyone but yourself. I'm sorry. I don't want

to keep beating this dead horse that is Tom Sandoval. But when I hear shit like that, and then I see he's has this girl over this Victoria chick who, you know, the internet's raving like, Oh, she dated Leo. And now she's at Tom's house. Like let's not everyone dated Leo. That's also true. Not me or you, but other people, you don't know. Oh, did you? Well, maybe, maybe you guys, you'll never know. But you know, with that, I honestly was hoping if you were willing to blow up your entire life and her entire life, which you didn't because obviously she is winning at this point in her life and who knows what the residual feelings are, but I'm saying from the outside looking in,

she is doing so incredibly well. If you're willing to blow all of that up and everything that you had, I would hope that you were somewhat in love and that you were trying to take this the long mile. And instead of, you know, instead of it being just like a fling or something that you just like really got caught up in trying to hide. And it was like sort of a high off of it. No, I totally agree. I remember going, being there while Ariana was going through it and thinking, this is a joke it's never gonna last but then months later just thinking you know what if they last and they just go away and go on living their lives off of vanderpump rules and like do their thing fine then it was

what it was no that's not what's happening now especially, and I know that you don't listen to her podcast, but it's so funny because she originally said that she spoke to her therapist. She wasn't going to be watching the show, recapping the show, all of the things. And now she understands that that is where the money is because after the first two episodes of launching a podcast, nobody cares anymore because this story is stale. So she is now recapping from her perspective. She's doing what I'm doing.

Oh my God. She should have just filmed. She really should have. If I were her, I would have. It would suck. I had to do it before. I was caught up in a major horrible thing that I did and I still filmed and begged for forgiveness, waited around until I proved myself. Hence why I'm friends with Ariana now and everybody else. So what drove me also crazy in the very beginning of this episode, though, it was Jason. I don't have a problem with Jason. I liked him when I met him before, but the first thing he says is like, well, Ariana has been having people here all the time. Fuck off. Ariana is rarely there. As you see later in the episode where she's talking about Ariana is rarely there, as you see later in the episode where she's talking about she and Dan, her boyfriend, and Dan's comments about them spending so much money on Airbnbs.

Ariana literally has had Airbnbs for months and months and months. She doesn't throw parties at the house. Suck my dick. Well, and not to bounce around, but one of the things that I, you know, I feel like when I have somebody lie to me, I have a really hard time trusting them or believing anything that comes out of their mouth. Like I, it's just like a radar that I have. And it's like, if you lie to me once, I'm not putting my hand on the stove twice. So when we have her talking about this bullshit offer that he gave to her to buy the house out later, he said, for $3.1 million. But then you're sitting down with Tom Schwartz and you are saying that you are completely broke.

You have a negative bank account. Your account was overdrawn. How the fuck do you buy a $3.1 million house with an overdrawn account? That shit makes no sense. No, I can't. I have that. Literally, I wrote that down. I was like, are you fucking kidding me right now? Exactly. You just said it. Boom. Done. with not only Tom Schwartz, but also James Kennedy at the end of the episode. And I'm sure also with Ariana at points that we just don't get to see, or maybe we'll see later on, but his comments and his points seem to contradict themselves constantly. And it comes from the point of what I would call somebody actually labeling a person in the correct way as a narcissist.

Oh, a hundred percent. He's a narcissist. Oh, 100% he's a narcissist. I dated him for six years. Let's call a spade a spade. Yeah, and he hasn't changed whatsoever. Everything I'm seeing in Vanderpump Rules, just like season 10, I feel like I'm re-watching Vanderpump Rules from season one, and here we go again. But he's older, and it's with a different girl.

I mean, I'm not downplaying older and it's with a different girl. I mean, meaning they were together. I mean, I'm not downplaying he and Ariana's relationship by any means. They were together for close to a decade. But I'm just saying his behavior is very much mirrored from the way that he acted back then. So like, is he going to grow up? Is he going to change? Let's be real. No, it's Peter Pan syndrome.

It's Peter Pan syndrome. But I also wanted to add on to this that I think it's so interesting. It has to be fun or wild for you to watch as someone who has been in this and been behind the scenes of production. Because there was a moment that I watched in the episode where I see James and Allie walking down the street and they're talking about wanting a dog and then pan over to either two days or two weeks before with Lisaisa asking randomly about graham knowing that lisa knowing that graham was offered up to vanderpump dogs and i'm like this is so pre-produced but i know people watching

who are all over america who haven't been around those cameras they're like oh my god i can't believe how this happened it was so organic and i'm like this is such bullshit but okay we're doing it no they're like it's vanderpump rules we have to have lisa on how can we make this work yeah that's what they've been doing for years i mean i love lisa and lisa and i love that you love her i'm not i'm not hating on her it is her show she literally created this show i wouldn't have had a job without her creating the show. But I'm just saying, I'm not blaming her for that. But yes, the pre-production, like the pre-produced BS of it

is like, come on, guys, you're better than this. You were nominated for an Emmy. Let's get it together. And the last thing I want to say really fast about that beginning scene, though, was about Ariana saying, like, you know, this was in the last episode as well like our neighbor I don't know if everyone knows who their neighbor is it's been pretty public

Breckenmire is their neighbor oh yeah yeah and I know firsthand from friends of friends that everything Ariana is saying is true he is so done with Sandoval he has children specifically a younger one that lives with him that still goes to school. And Tom is having parties until like four o'clock in the morning, like every single night on like school nights. So I know this all to be true. So when Tom was like, oh, you know, the neighbor and I are cool. Like or Anne's like, I don't know. He says they're fine.

Poor Anne. Anywho, it's just a poor Anne thing. So next week, poor Anne. Hashtag poor Anne. know he says they're fine uh poor ann anywho it's just a poor ann thing um so next we go sure i poor ann hashtag poor ann let's get her a gofundme i'm just kidding and i'll hire you as my assistant i'm really nice but okay so next we have lala and ariana what a peach smoothies discussing how tom is wanting this party and reiterating once again that you know lala's sort of i guess i first wrote down that lala's playing devil's advocate and how ariana's like the devil doesn't need any more advocates but at the same time lala has a job to do and lala's just challenging ariana to explore these thoughts right and and she has to you know what i mean and ariana's not offended

by it so i don't want anyone to get this is Lala and I aren't friends, as everyone knows. But like Lala, people can't get mad at Lala for just challenging and asking Ariana about this. And it was smart. You know what I mean? And what are your thoughts? Because I get Ariana. I feel for her. I feel like she has very valid points.

You know what's so funny is you can tell that she is so busy in her mind that she knows what's happening and she's not really playing into it. She's just understanding that everybody is doing a job. And now at this point, the two who have, or the one person who's really challenging her the most before we see Sheena start sort of, you know, later on in the season, feeling a little bit more empathy towards Sandoval. We see that it's Lala twice now. Once I reached out to Raquel and two, well well you know like don't you think that you should think about this from a more logical standpoint and i just picture on the other side of that table you stassi and katie and somebody's saying that and you guys

just being like are you kidding me are you joking right now yeah oh I would lose my shit. They, in the last episode they showed, I saw it on like a meme and a gif of like Katie's face. Like I think eating like a single French fry or something. And Katie's eyes just like bug out. Like, you know, Katie just wanted to go, are you kidding me? So production probably was like, Katie, would you want to have this conversation? Katie's like, fuck no. I'm not going to tell her like, I mean, what do you think about the house? Like, do you guys think you should figure it out? So Lala probably raised her hand and said, I volunteer as tribute.

I will be the one to go to What a Peach and have fucking smoothie and have this conversation. Well, you know, and I honestly feel like Lala probably had this conversation. I feel like there, you know, like you guys used to do the old school sir meetings where it would be like okay everybody has to show up and then you guys have like the extras like the people who were at sir but really like we had such a bigger staff than who was actually there but those were the people that were invited by production and whatever the case was i feel like in this moment lala was definitely told that she had a job to do going into this season because she made the most sense to be the person to challenge the situation, but also to reach out to Raquel. I think it would have made it a little bit more surprising for

viewers. And I also think, again, Sheena couldn't do it. Katie's not going to do it because she is business partners with Ariana. Who is left to do it? producer whoever the field producer was was like guys we gotta we gotta talk about this let's be honest it's it's happening in real life we got to talk about it i would have been like fuck that i will i will not challenge this i will not be the 50 50 person the devil's advocate and lala wood so hats off you know but it is good though because every season you do have to change it up if you stay the same person you know like unless you can really commit like you committed to i'm gonna bring down the house and I'm not going to let anybody get away with shit and nobody let me get away with shit. So you really just committed to a role

and it was like either zero or a hundred and you gave it a hundred. So at that point, and I'm not just blowing smoke up your ass here. I think that that's why it worked for you. But I think as the show evolves, you do have to have moments of growth or pivoting and you have to change and change the dynamics up a little bit to shock the fans. And sometimes, you know, contrary to what the fans might believe, there is a truce going on behind the scenes, understanding that we are trying to perform to get another season. Yeah. Boom. You said it like Like I couldn't agree more. And in this scene, I did like, I stand by Ariana and I don't care if the fans say I can, I can feel people

being like, well, that's petty. She's being honest. She's like, yeah, I don't want him to insert his dominance. Like that's that. And I love when she talked about Dan and that Dan's been the first person to really open her eyes because I do know about Ariana's past relationships. She's been if everyone could remember years and years past, she's been very honest about having an abusive boyfriend pre Tom. And that this guy like I don't want to say this guy, I love Dan, but Dan, this new boyfriend for the fans and for the viewers that don't know him yet, that she said, like, he gives me 50-50. And if I only have 10% to give, I almost teared up. I can see your face right now. And it's like, she goes, if I only have 10% to give, he gives 90. It just made my heart like burst. It is sweet. And I think that it's so great that she found such an anchor right out of the gate of something like this, because it is so hard. And I would imagine that you would feel so isolated

because not a lot of people would understand what you're going through. And also I, you know, like call her stubborn for it, say that she's being petty, whatever. I even, you know, said to Jason, I said, that's why like, you know, as a second business, we're investing in rental properties. And I make sure that every single home is a stick home, not a concrete home. Because if you'd pulled this shit on me, you're not getting any one of those homes. I'm going to burn every motherfucker to the ground. Like none of them. So I just want to make that pretty clear. And I told him that. It's the same thing. I would be just as petty. You would not walk away with it. Neither one of us would. It wouldn't exist. I love it. It's fucking amazing.

So Team Ariana. And then we get to Ken and Lisa at Pump. This is supposedly, I guess, what they're airing, I'm assuming, is like the last day Pump is open. I remember hearing Pump was closing. What are your thoughts? Hey, Sex, Love, What Else Matters listeners. hey sex love what else matters listeners this episode is proudly brought to you by lola v an award-winning hair care line founded by the fabulous jennifer aniston you know hair so iconic it needs no introduction now imagine this jen got tired of the same old struggle we all face choosing between hair products that work and ones that are actually good for us with lola v

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And I'll just say Lisa and Guillermo and Ken and them, they were not wrong in what I knew at that time. So it's like you never know. Like history repeats itself. No, you know, I was supposed to actually go to Pump for the closing. A lot of my friends did a funeral for Pump where they showed up in all black. I met Jason at Pump. I met him, I was 20 years old. Tom Shorts got me drunk at my first gay pride and I introduced myself eight times and he stopped me from getting hit by a car. I woke up on his couch. Stop. Amazing love story. And here we are 10 years later. Was it at 551, like the shitty apartment we all shared that you woke up on the couch?

Or was it a different place? It was a shitty apartment, yes. I woke up on a leather couch with like a patch missing and I was like, no. Yeah, that's the one. Oh God. Where am I? I scrubbed your body. And it was in Sheena's, it was in Park La Brea. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's ancient history. No, so, you know, Pump, I think we can all agree that we've all had some really fun times, probably some really shitty times, and a lot of times that we probably all do not remember. So it is sad.

It's like a moment. It's like a moment in time, but like all great things, they come to an end. Kind of like Pirates of the Caribbean. Like shit had to come to an end while it was doing so well right peter peter will never let that come to an end just so you know oh god peter um and i love when they show chad they're like chad bar manager i don't i've said this on past um episodes of my podcast but chad you guys if you go back to like season one vanderpump Rules, when Jax did the chunky knit sweater, Chad was a PA on Evolution Media, which was the production company, is the production company for Vanderpump Rules. And he's the one who stopped shirtless Jax from punching Frank.

So shout out to Chad. And he was a bartender at Sur. Yeah. So fucking wild. And then we have, you know, well, let's just talk about like, there's a black and white montage of all the memories. And then all the girls walking in looking fire as hell. I mean, Katie, I mean, Ariana, we all know is glowed up. Katie is so nineties fucking chic, the haircut, the outfits. I just am obsessed.

And then we have the Tom Schwartz, you know, throwback to trying to bartend. They're just really putting it all in there for us. And then the Miller Lite plastic cups. I don't know if you noticed that, but it's all I could feast my eyes on. I'm like, I don't even think they serve Miller Lite. Did they get these from like Sandoval's house, Schwartz's apartment? Like where did these come from? They probably started selling all of the glassware before because they're getting rid of everything. They should have. They should have put it on eBay. People would have gone crazy for that.

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if things weren't on eBay. Have we checked? No, we haven't. Oh, okay. You guys check and let Adam and I know. I have TomTom blue button-ups. I have pump shirts and pump candles from when Jason worked there like should I just start selling the money bay yes you should oh okay for like a lot of money and you can say you could say like James Kennedy spit on one of them like Tom Schwartz sweat in one of them like when he hugged you like is there that the opportunities are endless so let me have like lisa and tom

schwartz you know breaking it all down and schwartz i really appreciated in this episode and i wish he would just continue this in real life because schwartz just saying like they all had to clean up the mess of tom partners asked sandoval to walk away is what short said um they essentially quote unquote like closed the doors on him. And all Schwartz wanted was Sandoval to just offer something to fix it instead of just kind of listening, like be a little more proactive. Yeah, no shit, dude. I totally agree with Schwartz. And at the same time, I felt for Schwartz,

but I really heard Lisa in that moment, too, of being like, but you're the owner, too, Tom Schwartz, but I really heard Lisa in that moment too, of being like, but you're the owner too, Tom Schwartz. Like she was kind of like, I, I just, I heard her and I felt for her. I felt not for her, but like, I agree with her. Right. You felt her words, like they made an impact. Totally. So no, I totally agree with you. I think that everybody needs to carry their weight when being a part of a business, especially if you're equal parts, you know, but I think that Tom and Tom have both in, I was not in a relationship with either one of them, but I think that if I asked Katie or maybe somebody who has been in a relationship with Sandball, I think that we have issues with accepting responsibility and we like to place blame in moments where it looks like

maybe we are not fully delivering. And I think that is what we're seeing again here. And Lisa sometimes can be that great voice of reason. But even for Tom Sandoval to be like, dude, what was I supposed to do? They kicked me out. At the Belmont, yeah. I just checked out. My bank account's gone. And then immediately deflects and makes it about Ariana. I know we didn't get there yet, but. No, it's okay. We can even just jump to that because it's all in the same episode. But I totally agree.

It was like, you have Schwartz at the Belmont with, like, the nervous tics. And Sandoval's like, I'm not drinking. And we're just going to skip to that real quick because it all ties in. But he's like, I'm not drinking. But he also says he's not drinking for Raquel, essentially. Like, we'll drink together when she's out. It wasn't for him. It wasn't because he knew he was a mess.

And then he started that conversation with Tom Schwartz of like, I know you're angry at me. I know. But it always comes with a but. Not, I know you're angry at me. If you don't mind, can I also tell you how I feel? It's an, I know you're angry at me, but da, da, da, da, da, da. So you don't get it, Sandoval. You're never going to get it because you only think about yourself. I tallied that twice in this episode, by the way. Twice. But also for, but, see? Oh. Oh, we have balloons.

Oh, balloons. I didn't know a peace sign equaled balloons. Wow. You know, also though, when he's talking to Tom Schwartz and he said, and I have a hard time believing it, but then again, maybe it was authentic. But when Tom Sandoval asked him, you know, are you with me? After telling him, like, I was hurt by you going on Jax. It's like, again, you're making it about yourself. And I love that Tom Short said, at this point, all you can do is say, I am sorry.

Yeah. I'm sorry. And that's it. Like, cut it. We're done. I'm sorry. Accept responsibility because you've left me with a lot of shit while you went and filmed. Not Survivor, Special Forces.

And that is the problem and go and going on the band tour and just basically doing anything he can to get attention but not focus on a business that is very important that he should be focusing you spent so much money in yeah and he never he kept saying i understand what i did you don't understand what you did you tom if anyone Nick Vial just had him on and he just kept going, I understand. I understand. I understand. That podcast spoke to me more than anything other than my own relationship with him. Between that podcast and the Howie Mandel podcast, I think that it's a lot better for

Tom Sandoval to do podcasts. No offense, Tom Sandoval. I just saw him at the premiere and it was so weird because like, back to it. I feel like he should just only do his podcast. And when I saw him at the premiere, I talked about it on my channel and people asked me, did you go up and say hi? And I said, no. And they're like, well, Adam, people cheat, you know, like people deserve forgiveness. And I'm like, that's not why know like people deserve forgiveness and i'm like

that's not why i didn't go up and say hi i didn't go up and say hi because i'm on here saying you're a narcissistic asshole and it looks very fake of me to walk up to you and be like oh my god man how are you doing doing real good you look great like that's not me i'm not doing that yeah i could not agree with you more oh my gosh okay so let's back up a tiny bit to just talk about Sheena's good as gold emo stuff because Sheena to me, I'm so happy she was on watch what happens live tonight because she was the hero of this episode for me. I cried, I laughed, I cried, I laughed some more. I love that Brock came. My favorite, one of my favorite things was Brock being like something along the lines of like being American and being in a studio for the first time, which has

nothing to do with anything. But I love when he said like little quips from Brock tonight that made me really, really happy when he was like, get in there, my little birdie. My heart bursted. I love Sheena so much for just always putting herself out there. She does anything to bring herself joy. And that is just so commendable because my therapist and I talk about joy versus happiness all the time. And Sheena's just out there for joy. She's trying to be joyful. And that's why she does what she does. And I think everyone should fucking bow down for all of the things

that Sheena does. And when Brock said she was made for the spotlight, and she was so honest about her postpartum OCD on the episode tonight, which she has been on her own podcast. And I honestly didn't know a lot about it until I read something in the media weeks ago. And I text Sheena immediately, and I'm like, how did I not realize how hard that was for you? I hate reading things. But I text her.

I said, I hate reading things in the media about my friends. I didn't know this was that difficult for you. And she was like, oh, yeah. And then she opened up to me. And I just think it's such a difficult thing. And I think what Sheena is so great at is opening up because she knows that other people will heal from having gone through what Sheena is going through. So I just want to give major hats off to Sheena tonight. And it's not only that, but I think that she understands like on this platform that there are people that this can touch and potentially help and that will relate to this, which is

a great thing for any of you guys who do reality TV, because even like housewives, whether somebody is battling with postpartum OCD or sobriety or whatever the case is, there is somebody who can relate to it. And that at the end of the day, you have a platform where you are touching people and it's important to remember that. And you don't always have to be like an asshole villain. And one thing that I've always loved about Sheena

still to this day is I have never seen her be unkind in public with, I haven't seen her be unkind period, but in public with people who are constantly like coming up to you guys all the time. You get it. But she's just never, I mean, I've seen it with Tom. I've seen it. Sorry, Jax. I've seen it with Jax. I've seen it with a few people where they just get really annoyed and it's like back off of me. I've seen it with, and I love Stassi. I've seen it with Stassi. I've seen it. For sure. I've never done it. She back off of me. I've seen it with, and I love Stassi. I've seen it with Stassi. Oh, of course.

I've seen it. For sure. I've never done it. She has never done it. And I will say, as Sheena's friend who has been in fights with Sheena, she has not been unkind. She's been a bitch before. Like she's been bitchy, but she's never been like, go for the jugular.

I'm going to hurt your feelings. Unkind to someone that's even mean to her and to a perfect stranger, a fan that's asking for a photo, she would never be rude. So this is a Sheena fan account right now. She's given that up though. She's not even at that point anymore. We talked about this, but you know what? Also, I have to like add into this is I love seeing the organic conversation between her and her mom, Erica, and Brock, and seeing that dynamic. And I think that's so important for people to see because life isn't always perfect.

Yes, I agree. And perfect is not relatable. But when you have moments like this, like if Jason's here, my mom and I will gang up on him all day. Shut up. I love that. I mean, I don't love it, but I love it. But then also if Jason's mom's here, it's vice versa.

Yeah, I do. I loved that they were having that organic conversation. Tori was there. And even though Tori's like aware, like obviously Tori's very close with the family. I fucking love Tori. Everyone knows more to come with Tori on this season, but Tori's just like blankly looking the other way while Erica's like chiming in. But I really But I agree with you. I loved that moment because it was very fucking real and authentic. And I did like that Brock to me explained it really well in his interview bite where

he said, like, I miss my wife. And like right now, the day-to-day tasks seem monumental and overwhelming. And Sheena would explain it the same way, you know, the what ifs. And that's exactly how Sheena probably would explain it. You know what I mean? But I do like that Erica was saying about like validating Sheena's feelings, like just validate her feelings. It's just Erica sticking up for her daughter while Brock's sticking up for his wife. And it was just an authentic moment. It was real as fuck. And it was what it was. And there's nothing but love there,

but it's just honest truth. And I don't think anyone's wrong in that situation. Poor Tori was like in the same episode. She was just in the most awkward situation. She's like looking and she's like, okay. I hope someone, you guys, someone make that a meme. There's like a wide and then they're all talking and Tori's literally just like looking out into space with like wide bug eyes.

I love Tori to death. Okay. So the next scene is Allie's house. Schwartz comes over. Allie is going to read his birth chart and I'm going to let you take this one away because I typically skip over these scenes. No, I liked James and Allie's house. And you know, I thought Allie's confessional, she looked absolutely beautiful. I agree. And you know what's so funny is all over the internet, whether it's on Instagram,

X, YouTube, my podcast, I get comments all the time. And people ask me if Allie and I, they're like, is that your sister? Is that your cousin? You do look a lot alike. I don't see the resemblance, but no, it's not. But she's beautiful, so thank you. You're both like hot, light-eyed, tan. Kristen, that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. Of course you're hot, duh.

I'm just kidding. And Allie's super hot too. Like I'll never understand why she's with him until she leaves him because she got on a TV show. I love that she's launching her astrology business. And I think that's great. I'd love for her to read my chart. But you know, when he got the, the text from Tom Sandoval to go to his party and he's like actually thinking about it and he looks at Tom Tom shorts and he's like, are you going? And after Tom was like, I have to, I have to, you know, do what's best for me. And then he's like, yeah, I'm going for a minute. It's like, okay, Tom shorts.

Then James showing up. I just died. Yeah. That was, that was pretty wild. I did not expect Allie to wait in the car. I mean, I. Yeah, that was pretty wild. I did not expect Allie to wait in the car. That caught me by surprise. And good for her. It was actually a really smart move and probably something I would have done.

Awkward. Awkward. Awkward. So awkward. But when he walked in, I have to give it to... Listen, and I understand, but in this moment, watching when he walks in and he says, this is like the who's who party, like who is who? And I'm looking around and I'm like, well, I recognize a few people. I think that was a producer line, but I did write down, other than my friend, Melissa, Missy, who's Mindy, you know, Mindy and Missy,

twins, some of my besties. Mindy works at TomTom. Missy was there, and I took a photo of her being at that party. But otherwise, I went, oh, so it's all of Tom's paid friends. It's like his tech crew, his band. Everyone knows he pays his band to, like, go to practice. Like, it's his paid friends, other than Kyle Chan. And people who want to be on the show.

And you can see that. It's his paid friends other than Kyle Chan. And people who want to be on the show. And you can see that. And one of my friends, Brett Kenyon, who I had on. And I'm sure that you know Brett. Yeah, I didn't like that shade toward Brett. I didn't like that. Well, I didn't necessarily understand the shade towards Katie. But I don't know the context.

Yeah, I didn't like that at all. I didn't like, I don't know if that was meant to happen per production or if DJ JK meant the shade toward Brett Kenyon or what, but that didn't rub me the right way. But it felt like more of an accidental, like Brett got fucked in. Me and him started at the same time. I think we both worked the Daily Mail party before it even opened. Yes. And so he has been around for, we all, it was like a family. We all knew each other. James used to DJ there. So yes, obviously James knows exactly who Brett is. And, you know, I did see though in that moment, because Brett used to cat sit for Sheena a lot and he was around a lot of the people. And when I spoke with him, he was really disappointed in both Tom and Raquel. He was friends with both of them. And then to see him at that party, you know, I'm sure he has his reasons and he probably missed that friendship. And it's not a bashing thing towards Brett. I love Brett, but I was just a little confused.

And then when James was about to walk out and Brett said, I will get Tom. confused. And then when James was about to walk out and Brett said, I will get Tom, I was sort of wondering kind of, because I used to see my friends at TomTom who would really look for a moment where potentially they could have an eye on them and make them a prominent figure that might be of interest to producers. I, I'm going to agree with you. I can't give a lot away, but I will say there's someone on the Valley that's a friend who's not on the cast, quote unquote, but it's like a friend of a friend, you know? And it's to me, I saw that moment with this person who you guys will see on the Valley show. I felt that way about Brett.

It was almost like producers used him because people know him and they were like, will you go do that? Will you go be there to do it for the pussycat doll for sure i'm calling it a mile away it's not zach i've seen this for five years no zach's a cast member it's not zach oh i'm so i'm just kidding okay it's not it's someone else and i feel like production did oh my god did use brett in that moment to be like will you go handle it because they're not gonna ask kyle chan and no one in the audience knows who the fuck anyone else is right right that's that so it was it was a weird it was a the whole thing was fucking weird to me it felt like paid friends also luke my boyfriend was invited was invited by Kyle Chan to go to that party.

And I'm like, I'll be damned. You go if you want to, but I'll be damned. I got called out by Kyle Chan at BravoCon 2022 because he said to me, I walked up and I was like, hi, I went to give him a hug at Tom's booth. This was when we didn't know that the affair was happening. And he was like, I have a problem with you. And I said, oh my God, what did I do? was happening. And he was like, I have a problem with you. And I said, oh my God, what did I do? He said, on your YouTube channel, you said, I only give away products because you said you like one of my necklaces, but I couldn't afford it at the time. I was broke in LA, like had nothing. And he said, you said, I only give away product to celebrities like Taylor Swift and stuff. And I was like, yeah. Okay. That that's I didn't know that that was

an insult and now when I see him we just look through each other and it's fine I'm like that's where we stand and I'm good with that no I'm gonna fucking call Kyle right after this I'm gonna be like no bro Adam's the tits I mean be Kyle I have nothing wrong with you

but that's not a wrong thing to say that he gives his stuff away to celebrities. Like, that's not wrong. It's not a diss. It's actually great. It's a testament to where you are today. Yeah. All right.

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So I was at the Emo Night that they're going to air. And I just want to throw out Katie Maloney and i when we first became friends in 2009 we literally fell in love over emo music so this just whole this whole thing happening of like sheena getting this emo song and the girls doing emo night and it's just so fucking cool like why not why not? Why not? And it was such a moment, too, to see the crowd. You were like, shit.

Like, you guys, we're doing this. Yeah. Yeah. It was just, I don't know. I'm excited for the next episode. I don't know what the hell is going to happen this season. I really don't. And I was, like, hanging out with them, but not when they were filming.

So I don't totally know what to expect. I did watch a little bit of watch what happens live and my Sheena looked so fucking hot. And I love how she said like Tom, just opening the history books because there was, so I don't, you guys, I'm just going to be real.

I don't pay attention when James Kennedy's on the TV. I kind of just don't listen. I listen to Ali. My ears shut down. My soul shuts down. Everyone knows I can't stand him. But there was something along the lines of Sandoval. I actually didn't see this part in the show,

but I saw it on Watch What Happens Live, where Sandoval, I guess, tried to use my thing with DJ JK in comparison of some sort. Oh yeah. At the end. And he said, don't, he said, don't do that shit. Like that was 10 years ago. Santa ball. Like he said, it wasn't 10 years ago. No, it was literally 10 years ago. Actually more than that at this point, like 11 years ago, James was very offended. And then I think Tom said that that's very narcissistic of you. And I was like, Oh my God, no pot calling the kettle black over here. They're both total narcissists in my opinion, but I do like Sheena just went, God, Tom loves opening up the history

books, which is exactly what I feel like this entire season 11 of Vanderpump rules is going to be is Tom Sandoval trying to deflect and go, what about what that person, this person, et cetera, and never really accept what he's said or done. I think it's going to be an incredible season. I think watching it, it's going to be a very nostalgic season of seeing how the friendships move on after Sandoval. And I think that there's a lot of surprises in store based off of conversations that I've had. But, my God, this is going to be...

Things I don't even know. You're going to have to tell me offline. Okay, you guys. Well, Adam, thank you so much for squeezing this in. I love you. You guys, Luke is flying home from Spain, and I'm like, fuck, I have to do this on time. Oh, my God, Adam, will you please squeeze me in tonight?

I will love you forever because the fans are going to fucking freak. And thank you for doing that. Thank you. I mean, anytime, seriously, I would do this with you every week. I love you. And I would, I would make time for you any day. And no offense to my boyfriend, but you'd be way better. I mean, it's totally true.

I'll check you around. I love you so much. Thank you. And you guys already know, like Adam has the most success. It's just Up and Adam Live. It's the most successful thing ever. Just check me on YouTube or the broadcast, anywhere you get a podcast, Up and Adam. Up and Adam. It's the best name ever. You're so smart. I love you. Congratulations on everything. And I can't wait to have you on again. And thank you so much. I'll see you next time, Kristen. Hell yeah.

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