Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - It All Happened – Last Night on VPR S11 E5

Episode Date: March 2, 2024

Episode 94. This week, Kristen is joined by Zack Wickham to recap Vanderpump Rules Season 11 Episode 5, “Lake It or Break It”. They also discuss a recent lawsuit and address the chatter on social media regarding some of their cast members from “The Valley.” Sponsors: Get 15% off with the code DOUTE at Oneskin.co Follow us: @kristendoute @luke__broderick Email us: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi guys, welcome back to another episode of It All Happened. This is Van der Poem's season 11 episode 5, Lake It or Break It. And I first want to start off and apologize for this extremely late outing of this episode. I just got back from Miami. I have Zach Wickham on with me today. Hi, Zach. Hi, guys.

And Zach was in Miami with me. Just to be totally transparent, I did air sculpt and I'm very stoked about it, but I will share that journey with you on another day in time, but we are currently sitting in my bed post-plain, and we're gonna podcast right from here. Literally just dead to the world.

Yeah, that's how we is. And there is so much shit going on in the Bravoverse this week, it is absolutely wild, and we are gonna touch on a few of those things, Ala, Jackson Brittany, and also this Rachel lawsuit, but we're going to touch on that at the very end. So let's just get into the episode first. So for me, this episode felt a little bit like a commercial for like another show

that Lisa might want to have later. I, I, I totally get that vibe too. Yeah. Like it's almost like dropping the, oh, the wolf and the let's go to Lake want to have later. I totally get that vibe too. Yeah. Like it's almost like dropping the, oh, the wolf and the, let's go to like Tahoe and then all of a sudden there's like people working at a restaurant in like Tahoe and it's a totally different show. Yeah.

So I don't know. I mean, Lisa's smart. Like she's very smart. It feels like something that could happen in the future. But for me and I get that I'm totally biased based on my years on VPR, but it didn't feel like the VPR that I knew and loved, but it's probably because I'm judgmental.

Well, it's, well, you're a little biased and for good reason. I mean, the show is not the same without you. Let's be real. That's a very different show. It's a very different show. It's a very different show. But I also feel like this season, just with everything that went down last season, you know, and especially the reunion,

part one being the most watched episode in Bravo history, you know, stuff like that, that fans are, they want all of, Scandinavid happen again and again, each episode. And I feel like because that's not happening and we're kind of still dealing with the fallout. Right. People are just kind of like, oh, well, nothing's going on.

But everyone, again, remember, like, and this is to just back my friends up who work very hard on this show, showing their lives. And I, we said this last week and I think even the week before, but this was filmed only a few months after they picked up cameras against. So like essentially all of the Kardashians, they're, they're filming almost a full year. I can't even imagine. Um, so really quick thought, why does Santa also wear this damn lightning?

But I was going to say the same thing. I, I, I don't know. Cause maybe at this point he's still like, that's his homage to like, Hey, well, I'm going to call her Rachel, which it still pains me because I just always think of Rachel O'Brien every time. I know. But, um, I think it's like his way of kind of being like, Oh look, I was staying

true for you. Like, she's not on the show. So she's not on the show, but here I'm wearing my lightning bolt for you. To me, it feels like he's making a statement. So anyone who listens to this podcast probably follows me on instagram or like you know whatever follows me in general but I loved my damn evil eye diamond necklace. It was my staple. We started making less expensive ones for james may last season because it's what I wore but guess what my ex gave me that therefore the second broke up, that shit came off my neck faster than you could blink.

And that was over. And so for Tom continuing to wear this lightning bolt necklace every single day, just it feels like a statement to me. I don't know. Well, I feel like he's still, at this point, I think, was still thinking she's gonna come out of rehab, we're gonna be together, or we're gonna figure it out.

Maybe, honestly, I don't even know what was going on behind the scenes with them, but like, maybe that's what was going on in his head, you know? Like, I don't know. Or he just wants to piss everybody off by wearing it because it was such a big deal. And so he's just doing it as a fuck you to everybody, which also could be why he does it.

Could be true. Two things can be true at the same time. 100%. It's one of my favorite things to say and remind people. Okay. So Lake it or break it. This is the Tahoe part one. Also wait, can we also just mention who comes up with these titles?

Cause sometimes I'm just like, guys, can we just call it episode five and just not try to name it because. and just not try to name it? Because... No, you have to name it. It has to be punny. It has to be witty and cheesy. Okay, well, they need to find someone new then. I can say, lake it or break it. Okay, so number one, just shout out to the VPR editors once again. The drone shots are just phenomenal.

But we essentially start with Katie and Ariana and something about her and they're driving talking about something about her and someone pooped on their patio and Zach, I'm wondering, did you or someone, you know, leave the Abbey and poop on the patio one night? Well, number one, I would never poop on their property. Like I love them. So, um, does someone you know accidentally take a giant shit on their patio?

No, but I'm probably sure that it was somebody. There's so much. I feel like it was a drunk person. Yeah, it could, it could have. Yeah. Or there's the homeless people are just everywhere that, you know, it's unfortunate. It's a drunk. Yeah. Unfortunately, that happened. So Katie and Ariana talk about the fact that they're not going to Tahoe and Katie's like, essentially saying like, I agree with this, Shorts is such a people pleaser.

He doesn't want to leave anyone out, so he invited everyone. And Katie's like, I'm unsure if Tom even really wanted everyone to go. And I totally agree with that. And one of my favorite things is I did watch the after show for this episode. And I totally agree with that. And one of my favorite things is I did watch the after show for this episode and producer Jeremiah says like, okay, so you guys didn't go to Tahoe. Like, why didn't you go to Tahoe? And Ariana goes, oh, we were really busy. And

Katie goes, yeah, I was going through my sock drawer. I didn't watch it, but that's hilarious. I mean, if I were Katie and Ariana, I too would clean out my sock drawer over this Tahoe trip. So I get it. Yeah. I mean, it's again, what people have to realize is it's still way closer to the actual Scandinavall coming out, the fare coming out and everything.

Then you feel like it is, cause now it's a year later. I mean, even if it were today, there's no way in hell, Katie and Ariana are going to go on a fucking Tahoe trip with the toms. Well, that's very true too. Actually, I think in a year from now. It's fair. Yeah. Yeah.

Screw that. I feel for them and they made the right decision. They were going to have way more fun here than filming with those people. Not all those people. I like some of those people that was rude of me. Okay, so next we hit up Allie's house with James and Graham and the cats. Per usual, I don't have a whole lot to say about this,

except Allie made a statement, and this is the dog mom and me, but she said, she's like, you know, I've only always had cats, but when you have a dog, it's like having a kid like your life changes. Yeah. Totally fucking true. One million percent true. And I'm not going to talk a lot about their animals because it's not my place and I don't

really care. And I think I want to get into this a little bit more when we talk about Rachel's lawsuit because she brings up some things about Graham that I don't know how I feel about her believe. But I think they're like scared about having the cats around the dog and all this stuff. And honestly, like any cat will kick a dog's ass. My dogs fuck with cats all the time and they get their asses beat. Dogs will learn.

You have to allow animals to figure it out on their own, much like human beings. Like let them stub their toe, let them get scratched a little bit and they'll figure it out. I think this is more about Raquel than it is about do we have a dog around the cat or can we handle a dog? Maybe actually I don't know if they can handle a dog. If you're a cat person you probably can't, but I still feel like it was more about Raquel. And I appreciate Allie being very honest in her interviews as a cast member and saying like, we got rid of her and now I still can't get rid of her. That has to be really fucking hard. It has to be just so annoying.

So annoying. So annoying. Yeah. Any Hoosies. So let's go to, oh, we have Tom and Tom shopping and Schwartz says he's in his Adam Sandler era. I'm sorry. He he's in his Adam Sandler era. I'm sorry. He's been in his Adam Sandler era since he's been born. Since I met him.

Yeah, like he's always worn- I love Schwartz in his Adam Sandler. But I'm like, don't call this your Adam Sandler era because Adam Sandler is your life, not an era. Yeah. And Schwartz doesn't need to buy a $500 shirt to prove who, you know, he is. And also that $500 shirt was not, no, no. It wasn't cute. Yeah, not at all. In the spirit of self care, today's sponsor, OneSkin, is here to help you simplify your skincare regimen. Founded by four PhDs dedicated to skin longevity.

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Lord, it's not that big of a deal. Like you're not Cher, you're not Prince. But Sandoval responds and says, yeah, I knew about that. It wasn't my place to reveal that. It wasn't your place to reveal that Raquel wants to go by her normal name. It's like not that big of a reveal dude. You guys are not Beyonce and Jay-Z.

We aren't sitting on pins and needles wondering what Raquel wants to go by. Yeah, and also nobody knew that the reveal was coming. So yeah, of course you're not going to reveal it because also it's not that big of a deal. I'm just saying, yeah, if Sandoval had said to his friends, like, yeah, well, Raquel and I have been talking and she's decided she wants to go back to her legal name, which is Rachel, no one's going to go. It was scandalous. Right. For me, it wasn't an aha moment's going to go, it was scandalous.

Right. For me, it wasn't, right. Oh, an aha moment when I found out her name was Rachel because I was never close enough with her to know that that was her legal name. But now we've known this for a year. Why are we still talking about whether Rachel Raquel, what name she wants to go by? It's exhausting. It's just like, Lord, come on.

It wasn't your place to reveal that. It's just like, Lord, come on. It wasn't your place to reveal that. Like you revealed that she has like a sixth toe or like two vaginas or like something that actually matters. Yeah. But, but that's Tom's whole shtick is like, you know, uh, we're sitting on the edge waiting. Yeah. Well, and he's like, he's like, Oh, you know, he makes it more like he was being a good, like he was being the good person in this. The good boyfriend. Oh, I knew, yeah. I knew because obviously, you know, we're so close and whatever, and

we're together and I was protecting her. Like, you know what I mean? It's almost like he's trying to, you know, play that up and it's like, dude, no one's believing it anyway. So this is not helping. She told me she was going to go by Rachel, but I just had to wait until she was ready to tell the world. Right. It's like, okay. Well, thank God we all know, but guess what?

I still call her whatever comes out of flying out of my mouth. Right. It's usually Raquel. And then also the whole blue-green text situation was hilarious to me. Tom's like, Sandoval's telling Schwartz, you know, one day I'm texting her and it's green, and then the next day I'm texting her and it's blue.

And I can see the confusion on Schwartz's face, match the confusion in my mind where I'm like, did you mix that up? Because now she blocked you? Schwartz just kind of looks at him and Sandoval says, no, like I think she like got her phone back or her phone's finally working. And me thinks she had him blocked

and then finally either got a new phone, it unblocked people or she went, whatever, I'll just unblock him. Yeah, that's where my mind went. It like Sanibel's. I'm sorry, I don't see a green, unless I know you're one of like the three friends that I have that has an Android that just you know

We hate that we can't stay we don't understand why you won't convert for us I'm definitely like a cult leader with that. I'm like, please convert to my religion. I'm done with this green text We can't do group chats. It just you can't change group chats You can't add people or delete people. You can't give the group chat a name if you have an Android. I mean, it makes me irrationally angry at so many people I love. So I really need to stop doing it.

But that's exactly where my mind goes. Anytime I ever see something go green, unless they're on a flight that I know they're on, then I assume they have blocked me or like something's going on. If their phone typically turns green unless you're on, then I assume they have blocked me or like something's going on. If their phone typically turns green unless you're fighting, right? If you're fighting, maybe they blocked you.

If you're not fighting, then they're a battery died, they're out of service, they're on a flight, something of that nature. And Tom Sandoval just makes this whole green to blue text thing. Just everything about he and Raquel just seems so like grand. Like everything is like, oh man. It all has such beauty and meaning.

And like, yeah, and it's like, no dude. Or it does have meaning, it means she blocked you. And we all know like this whole season and before the season and being Schwartz's friend, he has repeatedly articulated that he went through a lot too, that he doesn't want to keep, say, and of all to keep going down this Raquel rabbit hole and like digging himself a hole and making things worse. So Schwartz is just sitting there like listening to this for probably the 40 millionth time in the last week.

Exactly. Like, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Like trying to be sweet. Also Schwartz is then like talking to Tom about going to Tahoe and I can feel Schwartz saying like, I am looking forward to this trip. Let's leave everything behind. This is going to be a happy trip. Let's try our best and looking to Sandy, Sandoval, like waiting for him to be like, you know what, Tom? Yes, I agree. And I really owe this to you. I owe it to you, Tom, being my best friend for putting up with all this

shit. Exactly. I owe it to you to try really hard. And instead, Sandoval's just still making it about Santa Claus? It is kind of mind blowing because it's like, I'm all about second, third, fourth chances with people because I do believe that in general people will try to be better, we'll learn from their mistakes and everybody's going to make mistakes and then make them again and make other mistakes again. I agree. You have, we have to put the, you know, the human back in humanity and like get over this type of cancellation

Without education or like growing being able to grow and learn from a mistake like it makes no sense You know, I even go down that way I like what you're saying with this because I agree with that even with sandball and I think and I know what you agree with Me on this that the problem with sand balls, that he's not growing or changing. And he's just constantly doubling down. It's a loop. It's a loop.

And like you, or we get to like a peak and I'm like, oh my God, maybe he's going to get it. Oh, now I'm starting to feel like, okay, we're, oh, there we go. We went back and now we're down the rabbit hole. And oh, but James, okay, we're, oh, there we go. We went back and now we're down the rabbit hole. And, oh, but James, you, you know, blah, blah, blah. It's like, what, how did we get back here? And then even this episode, I'm just like, dude,

it's, you're never just going to be able to say, I did all of this, you all, period, no but. Yes, I'm waiting for the scene where he gets like a glittered lightning bolt tattooed on his forehead. Dead. Waiting for it. Anyway, so now we go to another shopping scene. Not brushing our teeth this time,

we're shopping a lot this episode. And it's Brock and Sheena shopping. And this by far has been my favorite scene of this entire season. Brock and Sheena have been my personal favorite people to watch. It's not because I'm friends with them. I'm not even as close to anyone on this cast as I used to be, except maybe Ariana. But number one, Brock is hilarious. And I loved that in the beginning, he's like, Sheena is looking through her like extra small bikinis

goals. And Brock's like, I have party pants to match her. Like, hey, Luke, listen up. See how Brock's been her accessory? It's couple goals when it comes to them, honestly, because like I always want, if I have a boyfriend, to match. To match, like I want you to- Like for a party, it's fun.

Exactly, or a- We love a good theme. Yeah, we do. And so I love that he is so enthusiastic about just like those type of things. And he is just such a great support and such a great partner. Yeah, and what I really loved about this scene, which we'll continue on in Tahoe, to me, they have the most real authentic conversations and relationship. And on the after show,

Sheena talked about like her confidence or lack thereof when it comes to her mom always being around since the day Summer was born because her mom obviously raised Sheena and she raised Courtney and did a wonderful job. But Sheena explained on the after show how difficult it has been for her to feel confident and comfortable having Summer by herself because

she's always nervous she's going to do something wrong if her mom's not around. And then that's what we're seeing is Brock's point of view is like, Sheena, you got this. Your mom is great, but you don't need your mom. And I just think the authenticity, the vulnerability, and the reality of their relationship and their hardships and the communication that they have to overcome these things right in front of our very eyes is like pretty fucking impeccable. I also like that Sheena is very honest

about this postpartum OCD, even the OCD she had before it was postpartum. And it just made me emotional. It made me really appreciate both of them as my friends, as a couple, and also I think the viewers, I really hope that the viewers like see that as well. I think they do though, because I mean, granted we know them personally on a different level.

So we see it through a different lens than a fan would. But at the same time, like we can feel that rawness and we see what we're seeing behind the scenes now people are getting to see on screen and it is, I think it's really great and you're right. I would rather follow that storyline. They're what they're doing and what they're going through. Then I would, some of this stuff they're pushing on this season.

I totally agree with that as well. And just as a personal note, to be honest, as Sheena and Brock's friend, there have been times because I too am really sensitive like Sheena. Sheena and I are both very much people pleasers at times. And there have been times where I've wondered if Brock's approach with Sheena was too much for sensitive Sheena. But personally, now that I'm with Luke, the, the, the avoidance that Brock kind of forces Sheena to face, I think is really fucking incredible.

Well, I think that's very healthy. It's very healthy. And it, it complements. Yes, you, it might cause like friction or like maybe a fight or a conversation more in that moment. But I think it makes them stronger because of it. And I, I definitely see that with you and Luke. Let's be real.

Like, I'm like avoidance, fucking 2.0 when it comes to things that I don't want to deal with her that stressed me out or that like I'm sensitive about. And Luke's like, you can keep running away from this shit all day long, or we can face it head on together and communicate about it. And I think because I'm in that relationship that I think is incredibly healthy, I'm now able to see that side of Brock where I'm like, oh man, you guys are really fucking great for each other. Yeah. And I think also just side note about Luke, I think he's an amazing communicator, which you've never had before. Correct. You've only had babies that you've dated, which is, you know, just really fucking weird.

We're watching two of them on this season. Oh, Lord. Yeah. So, okay, let's get to Tahoe. So now we're at Lisa's photo shoot with the wolves. The wolves were, oh my God. They're beautiful. It's so, so precious. So for me, there's only one thing that made me feel,

I guess a little weird. Obviously Lisa's like, oh, Oliver, the wolf, like you're so beautiful. I named the restaurant after you. But her grandson's middle name is Wolf. Pandora's son, his name is Theodore Wolf-Savo. Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah.

So I was like waiting for the moment where she was like, I named the restaurant after my grandson. Wow. I wonder if she just wasn't thinking, or maybe she really did, or maybe it really was just a wolf that she was inspired by. Yeah, and Wolf's son, Tahoe. I don't know, but for me, I was just going,

the second I heard what it was called, I'm like, oh my god. Her only grandchild thus far, in his middle name is Wolf. But no mention of that. Or maybe she said it and they edited it out. I don't know. Anyway, we don't know, but that's, that is funny that. Yeah. I didn't know that surprise, but what a beautiful photo shoot.

Um, and then we get to the Tahoe house and I'm sorry, Tom Schwartz is rental house. Oh my God, I can't. Tom Schwartz's rental house. Oh my God, I can't. Tom Schwartz, what a great job you did on Airbnb. Yeah, let's be, I want Tom Schwartz to play in my next vacation. 100% Schwartz, you wanna like, you can play in all of my shit if that's what you found because that water looked amazing.

But it kind of just starts off with sand of all just making awkward shit more awkward. Yeah, I feel like instead of having conversation, cause when you fuck up, we all fuck up, you have an honest conversation with someone, you show true empathy and remorse, or you show true remorse for what you did. And then you can move forward and start to build the relationship past that every single time.

He never gives people a real apology and not to jump to the very end with like him talking with James. I'm just like, he can never just say, you know, I really fucked up. I fucked up everything, blah, blah, blah, blah. He always has to find like the caveat to it. It's always making things about him. It's not like, Hey, you guys, I know this is, I don't know. For me, I guess I've been in these situations and if I were in that position and I decided to go on this trip and film with these people

and knowing this is gonna be awkward as shit, maybe it's just an announcement of, maybe this is the difference between Santa Claus and I, but maybe it's like some sort of like, maybe not an announcement, but some sort of like conversation of, I know this is fucking awkward. And I do really appreciate you guys.

And I'm gonna just try to do my best to make this as joyful for everyone as possible, kind of mind my peas and queues. Is it fair that maybe he has to walk on eggshells? I mean, maybe, maybe not, but that's the position he's put himself in. Exactly. And I felt like all of his announcements were about himself.

He wants to talk about his newfound quote unquote sobriety, temporary sobriety. Which is wonderful because he found that he wanted to do things without Vices backing him, right? But he didn't say, Sheena, how have you been? Or like, Lala, how have you been? And maybe they wouldn't want to respond. Maybe they weren't ready for that. But just stop being like, let me tell you all about me. Let me tell you all about how I've been doing.

Let's talk about me some more. And it goes back to him and Tom Schwartz and the store talking. It's like, how are you not realizing how you affected so many different people individually? And especially Tom Schwartz financially, like you basically destroyed his source of income. And he is- When Tom Schwartz was going through the hardest year of his fucking life in every way possible.

In every aspect of, yeah, like just every way possible. And- I just felt like he was like almost looking for like a round of applause or a pat on the back from everybody. Exactly, oh my God, that's actually, that's what it is. Yeah. He's actually looking for the, oh good boy. You did. Okay. You, what? Yeah. Like we feel for you. Yeah. We feel for you. No, no. Sorry. We still don't, like we feel for you in the way that like, okay. Yeah.

You're a human. You must have. You messed up. We do feel bad that like the world came for you. And we're here on a trip where we're not shunning you and ignoring you. And we're making an effort. They made it to do that. All of those people had to suck up every ounce of like, frustration. Yeah, frustration and just be like, okay, I'm going to do this. And they did.

And he didn't, there was never once where it almost felt, I guess he, he did a little bit, but not to the degree that I thought he could have. It would end with like a, but I've been going through this, but my life has been so hard. And that just frustrated me a lot. Same. Um, so then Lisa shows up with Graham and that's, I don't, do you have anything to say? I mean, all I, all I have to say is I guess it was his dog too. So I guess you're getting your dog back. Cool. But I don't know.

I'm not that attached to like, obviously I can't keep anything alive. So that's why I choose to have no animals, no plants, no anything. I just find this, I guess maybe it's just a personal thing. It, I just find it odd to this giant storyline surrounding Graham. Right. And maybe it's because I've read the lawsuit from Rachel. I don't know, we'll get to that. But Graham shows up, he's in Tahoe, he flew on the private plane, good for Graham. Yeah, good for Graham, he's living a better life than us. So, but yeah, Tahoe looks so beautiful.

I, fuck, I wanna go to Tahoe. I mean, again, just shout out to the camera operators. Looks gorgeous. They had fun. But then we get to- Katie and Ariana. Katie and Ariana. At Ariana's house.

Talking about the house and Ariana is FaceTiming with Lucinda. I don't know if they said that that was Lucinda or if anyone remembers, but Lucinda was their decorator. They did say. Oh, they did, okay. So she did not only their house, if everyone remembers, she also did the restaurant and did shorts and sandies

and they're just going through the house. And I'm glad that they took a moment because I don't know if you remember the Zach, but when Tom and Ariana first bought their house, whatever season that was, but there was this whole spiel about like, they don't even have furniture. Oh yeah, I remember.

Like they don't even have chairs to sit on. And as a previous homeowner who spent way too much money way too much, way too much. Very quickly and didn't take my time. Something I always looked up to Ariana for was the fact that she did take her time. But their shit really was very custom and very expensive. And it's very made for that house.

Yeah, so I don't know. It took a lot of time and I'm glad that they took that moment So all of the people in the Bravoverse and social media that are looking at all these Way too many fucking lawsuits are happening. Oh my god The Ariana said like yeah, if he wants the house I'm maybe maybe coming to a possibility of considering that But what he can have at the walls. He, not all this furniture that I bought, which is really fucking expensive.

And anyone who owns a home knows that. So I just fought for her. Yeah, my favorite part is when Lucinda was like, yeah, the Lego artists can actually just rework him out of this. I'm like, that is the greatest thing ever. I wish you would ever talking about that. And I was like, I personally would never have a photo of my, like a portrait of myself in my house.

And I'm the exact opposite. And I feel like maybe I'm one of the only people that would never have a portrait of myself. I feel like almost every cast member and friend of mine on or off television, they do have like some sort of grand portrait. Yeah. Well, I mean, I like looking at myself. I know. And Luke tells me every day, like, why do we just have photos of like Fleetwood Mac?

Yeah. You have no photos of yourself in this entire apartment. We have three Polaroids up in the dining room. I don't know why. Whatever. Can you talk to your therapist? Seriously. And then we're, so then we're back in Tahoe, rides up in the dining room. I don't know why, whatever. You talk to your therapist. Seriously. And then we're back in Tahoe, back to Sheena and Brock. And just once again, I got real emo during the scene, guys, because they had a very honest, very healthy,

raw communication, the communication to have conversation. They were listening and talking to each other and wanting to just make things better and enjoy the one vacation that they don't ever really get to have. I just thought it was so beautiful. Well, I just love them together.

They're just so good together. And I just, I love Brock. They compliment each other. Yeah, exactly. This is a Brock and Sheena Stan podcast guys. And then we have Schwartz like, oh man, I haven't had a bee sting since 1996. So I'm gonna pour some whiskey on it

and then drink some from a shelf. God, it's so, it's just, it's Schwartz and his best. I know, it's like, it's just he is in his element at all times and it makes me so happy. He's like one for the basting and one for Tom Schwartz. You get it Schwartz. You do you, Adam Sandler. You be you. I love you for who you are man. Okay, now we're at least as restaurant Wolf. And the first thing you said Zach, and we were watching this, you go, this was so hard to watch with like their demolition swings. It was so painful. Was it because they're not chip gains and they sucked it swinging it or because of what

they were yelling out? Well, no, because like everybody, you know, like when Gina did it, when Tom's was just sad, but... Schwartz's. Schwartz's was just sad. Oh yeah. Schwartz's had a single and 40. I'm like... Which I wanted to touch on real quick because in the after show, he was talking about his

apartment and why he didn't go all out and like, he's like, I have designer friends and like people I could do this for not very expensive and make that apartment a home. But he was like, to be honest, I have no equity in this place and I'm paying what I paid, like my rent is the same as my mortgage and I don't want to get cozy here. And I felt that in like the deepest part of my bones. Yes. In my soul, in my core, I get it. When you own a home and you no longer own a home and you move into apartment, yes, I

like to nest. I too, like agree with Tom. Like you want to have like your plans and like you want it to be cozy, but I'm not trying to make this shit like a forever home. Yeah. So I totally understood. You're just trying to get livable

to move on to the next thing, like the next place. I just, I fully felt. Well, you've said that multiple times when you moved in. And when you, even when you switched apartments to like a slightly better apartment, you said the same thing. And I felt the swing of 40 and single. Before I was with Luke, I really, you know,

post break up with my ex-boyfriend Alex before Luke and I really became a thing and like fell in love. I really felt that like, what the fuck? I have to start over again. This is bullshit. It's such bullshit though. Schwartzi, I feel you man.

But I felt like Schwartz's and Sheena's like, is there, they're just doing normal hits on the wall. Sheena's was funny. Restraining order. But like, but hitting the wall normally and then Tom or Sandoval comes in and does it and he's fucking, is he in the, is trying out for the Olympics? Why, sir, like we don't, nobody cares if you swing hard, don't like, come on dude.

And like then it gets stuck and then it's just like that. It's again, that next level of awkward that Tom brings to fucking everything. And it's just like, why? Well, and Brock says, put thought behind your actions. And then Tom's like, lala smack. So what you're thought behind your action was you want to hit lala? Right. I mean, I know I'm being the way I'm being right now.

Of course, he doesn't really want to hit lala. No. But my point is, at no point, why couldn't he say, instead of worm with a mustache, right? He should have said, he doesn't really want to hit Lala. But my point is at no point, why couldn't he say, instead of worm with a mustache, right? He should have said, I don't want to be just a worm with a mustache. Hit the wall. Yeah. Or why did I create Sandoval? Scandival.

Sorry. Hit the wall. And said, he's just going, all the things that people say about me, I'm mad about. Yeah. Like, you know, like I'm very self deprecating because I know what my flaws are. I know, like, and you just make them funny and you roll with them and you take responsibility

for who you are and your actions. With him, this is another moment where it's like, here is your chance to use this moment to say something like you just said, but no, he does it in just the opposite way where it's like you almost had it and you just lost all of us. Like, okay, dude, you're still not getting it. It really, you're right.

It was his opportunity in front of everyone to be self-deprecating. Instead he just left out those important parts of like, this is what I did wrong and I'm mad at myself for it. Yeah, no, I'm mad at everybody else. I'm mad at LaLa for calling me whatever she called him. James, Charles Manson son. Oh yeah, Charles Manson son. It's hilarious. Which I mean, hey, it's...

If the shoe fits. Very accurate. And you know, warm with the mic. Dude, really? Really, that's where we're gonna Go with this. It was yeah, it was cringy so now we're at dinner at Wolf and Awkwardly sitting at this family dinner once again discussing Tom and Ariana living together And I mean she decided all she goes if they want to on, they need a clean break end of story, a clean break.

Nothing's going to happen while they're still living together, filming this fucking show together. People trying to force them to converse. It's not going to happen, but the clean break needs to be they don't live together. As Ariana's friend, I back her on everything going on with that mess. Well, yeah. And that's, you know, and I wish they could have a faster clean break because, you know, when you own a home together with somebody and you, and you have all this furniture and you have all the, yeah, it's not simple and it's not easy.

And you've got to like, it's super messy and very frustrating. And I can see why even, you know, I can even, if I don't know Tom very well, I can see like being stubborn and being like, well, it's my house too. My confusion with Sandoval is that he makes a lot of statements, whether it's like in an interview,

outside of Vanderpump Rules or what he says on the show, where it's like one day he wants to buy Ariana out and the next day he's like, I have a negative bank account. So like, which one is it? Right. And I think that's where I'm like, then just fucking sell the house. Like she wanted to. And also not to, you know, go into like his deep financials,

but their house also went up in value and he's now going to have to put that on his, like on the mortgage, like, cause obviously he's's gonna buy her out But not with cash. It's gonna be you know with the loan. I mean, can he I mean can he even afford that by himself? I don't know that's just a very large expense. So it's very confusing It's confusing as a viewer and as someone who like reads the news about him in his interviews That he does whether it's like I said a podcast or like the New York Post thing or whatever. But he's like, I don't have a negative bank account. And then he's like, I want to buy her out. Right. And he took out money out of their house to open

shorts and so it's like very public. I'm sorry. Yeah. Math ain't math. Math ain't math. And yeah, what a fun family dinner they always are. Wait till you guys see guys see the Valley and then and then to have Tom be like hey James can we talk and then even in his little interview bite He was like James being a child, but I know what he's doing And I don't like to ever give James credit for anything But I was like James James is just avoiding you dude Like he's not acting like a child and then you go over there.

And I don't think I've ever said the words James is the voice of reason ever. And yet he's sitting there being like, like staring at Tom, giving Tom every chance to just take ownership and accountability, not say but. Just stop shitting out of his own mouth. Just, yeah. Just the shit is just coming out like, you know.

Riddle me this, if they weren't on this show together, would they be friends? Would they even give a shit about this friendship? Because I don't think so. I felt like this whole talking up their friendship, maybe yeah, in the past, but truly, if they were not filming this television show together, I don't think they would think about each other at all

Yeah, that's what I think that's I agree and I'm so tired of Sandoval Once again, he did this in the after show. He did it in the episode. He's done it in the episode multiple times Rachel and I didn't mean to hurt anyone. Oh, and no shit What did he say? Oh, it was just you don't know Oh, and you know and what did he say? Oh, it was just you don't know Like we couldn't do it was more complicated than that. But no, it's not and here's my thing even if you cheated with Raquel for however many months Just tell Ariana or just be like or at some point four months in that is when you're like, okay

This is going forward. So we need to break up. Just do it. Because like I get that you built this life, but you're not happy. It sucks to do things that suck, but sometimes you have to do it. Absolutely, it's not easy. It doesn't feel good to hurt someone.

It doesn't feel good to end a relationship. But this is Tom's fucking MO. And Nick Vile made this point on his podcast like Abundantly clear over and over like to Tom's face Nick and Natalie both were saying why didn't you just end it and be a man? Why wouldn't you and he'd be like well cuz it's not that easy dude. No shit. It's not that easy It's not easy, but it's also what you did. So what? Life can be hard sometimes. You have to make hard choices sometimes. And instead you chose.

No, he wanted his cake and eat it too. Of course. And he never thought he was gonna get caught. And he thought he was gonna be able to talk his way out of it. Yeah, he thought he was, he never ever thought he was gonna get caught. He never thought he'd be in this position. What I wrote down was like,

why won't he just be a man and like end it and like fess up and blah, blah, blah. And what I wrote down at first was because he can't and that's not true. He chooses not to. Well, and I think is because he never wanted to be with Raquel and he just wanted like, maybe him and Ariana just weren't connecting like physically or whatever. And he just wanted and he was like, oh, here's this person that, you know, is like, unfortunately, Raquel's kind of one of those people that is very much

like, oh my God, like you're, like you're so sweet. Yeah. Gave him what he wanted. And so he was just getting that on the side and living his life. And he was, he was never going to change that. No. He was never going to leave Ariana for her. He was never going to do that.

Yeah. In the end, it's like, okay. It sounds like five out of the six years of my life. I mean, it's Tom's MO, like I said, but also what frustrated me was, Sanneval talking to James and he goes, you know, the path I was on, it wasn't a good path, man. Okay. Well, number one, no shit, but number two, what about the path you're on now? Yeah, it's not like that for this. What's, what's better? Yeah. And it's like, what was so bad about the path?

Yeah. Like I don't, I just don't get nothing he does makes sense. does make sense. And he also, I don't think he ever is truly honest. I don't hear honesty and like intentionality and everything. I don't ever hear that come out of his mouth. I agree. It was a very weird scene and I just, I don't know. I just, I, it's hard for me in my experience to see this grand, best friendship that he and James speak of that they're like missing so much because I see that with Schwartz and Sandoval and I just think that if they weren't on a show together none of this would fucking matter. Yeah. But I don't know.

But either way it all comes down to Sandoval just not owning his shit whatsoever. So that's that. I want to talk about this lawsuit really fast because we read it on Instagram. I mean it is absolutely unhinged. It doesn't even sound like a legit lawsuit. It honestly just sounds like she just wanted to say some shit in a legal document. Like I know legally you can file any lawsuit you want. It can be frivolous and it can have no merit whatsoever, but you can file it because that is just your legal right. And then the judge can throw it out based on the legal merits and blah,

blah, blah. Every single one of her things, except for possibly the, the tape, the face time that Tom Sandoval recorded of her, which I agree because I don't know, I don't talk to Rick Hell or Sandoval, but from what I remember and my knowledge, I don't believe he did have consent to record that. And I don't think she knew that he was doing that. And that is very fucked up. If someone did that to me, I would be livid,

fucking livid, something that is private should not ever be recorded without your knowledge. And California is a two-consent state. If people don't know that out there, like for example, I know New York is a one-consent state. California is definitely two. So that's- But also to our knowledge, it was never, nobody is-

Distributed. Yeah, it was never distributed or sent. So like, I don't, I don't know if that constitution, yes, he maybe illegally recorded it or whatever, but he didn't send it. Revenge porn is you then took it and maliciously were trying to do something. He just had it on his phone. So I don't even know again, the, and we're speaking in legal terms for this. Do you even have any ground to stand on with that? Right. And what bothered me, so that part,

I just as a woman, I stand by anyone. Oh, I get that. Yeah, I mean, it's the same thing. If you were recorded without your knowledge at all, even for his own sake, whether it was given or distributed to anyone, I think it's pretty fucked up. For me, bringing Ariana into this lawsuit, for me, it just felt so transparent

that she was suing Ariana because Ariana's making money. 100% Ariana got brand deals. Ariana took the opportunities that were handed to her and she instead of crawling into a hole and dying, she decided to live her life. And I feel like the only reason that Ariana is brought into this lawsuit is because Raquel's not making money on the show anymore. And Ariana is.

And my thinking is, is like Raquel, you, you blew up your life like this. Yes. You went to rehab, whatever. You are not redeeming yourself very well. You fucked your friend's boyfriend. You blew up your life. Don't go trying to sue your friend who you screwed over. Right.

Are you fucking crazy? And it's like, you didn't come back to the show, the show that would have paid you. Like to me, you blew up your life already. What are you gonna do? Go work at McDonald's, be a customer. Well, she's also suing over the reunion. That is the thing that threw me the most.

Yeah. You signed up for a reality show. And until you were in the mud you didn't want to sue now Again, if Tom did what he did without consent, I get that part but most of what I read in this Lawsuit was fucking ridiculous. They literally quoted Ariana saying like you're a diabolical Subhuman Pooh head was quoted every single yeah everyoo head was quoted. Every single, yeah, every single insult was quoted. I would love to sue for every single insult

that's come at me if I could get money. Oh, literally, do we all go back and watch prior seasons of Vanderpump rules to see what Raquel has said about me, about Lala, especially the two of us. I'm trying to think of whoever else. And I'm like, oh, remember when she said this person was a whore fucking suing her

You signed up for a reality show. It wasn't fun No shit when you're on a reunion having to admit that you were a part of this cheating scandal It's not fun, but you don't sue because someone called you an asshole exactly and what were some of the other I can't remember the like they were like and this is what we're suing. What were some of the other, I can't remember the, like they were like, and this is what we're suing. What were some of the other ones? I don't remember. Well, they had just the one. I wish I had it in front of me.

There's like seven of them or something. Yeah. And each one was more ridiculous than the last. Oh, one of them was not name calling, but oh, invasion of privacy. Yeah. Babe, you were on a reality show. What do you mean invasion of privacy? You signed a contract that said.

You don't have privacy. you don't have privacy. You don't have privacy. Like you did that for money, which is fine. Because guess what? We all do. We all did. And that literally takes that veil of privacy away. We don't have it anymore.

Like nothing about it made sense. It's just like, it's like you realized you fucked up and couldn't get money and you're whatever this, whatever her little podcast that she's trying to do or did, I don't know, is she still doing it? I have no idea either. If, oh, that's not making money. Oh, Bethany's not going to pay you anymore. She's not going to pay you to be her lackey.

Okay. Well, then you're going to sue. Like I feel like it's a last ditch effort to just keep her name alive. Yeah. For this while though, I will say I found out that it was Brian Friedman who was the attorney. And Brian Friedman is, I don't know if you guys remember this from many months ago, but there was this huge TMZ thing that came out and Brian Friedman and another attorney, I cannot think of his name right now, came out and said that they were suing NBC and Bravo on behalf of 50 plus

different reality cast members, reality personalities. And there was like a slave law. One of the things were there was, there were things about like children being filmed on other shows that they weren't supposed to be doing. There was some pretty like pretty gnarly shit. But the fact that he's the one who has taken this on, it just, I don't know. I need to see what more is to come. But as Ariana's friend, um, and as someone who's done reality TV for

well over a decade, I think that there's just no ground to stand on for most of the shit she's talking about. Yeah. Like zero ground. And also, again, if Tom Sandoval can buy out the house, then he has money just through him. Like why are you going after Ariana? Again, it's desperate and it's pathetic and it's like, girl, just own what happened and

move on. Move on. Like do you want this to define everything? Because you've made it your defining moment when you keep doing shit like this. We start to forgive you. We start to like, you know, whatever. And then you pull some bullshit where you sue her.

It's like, what is in her or Tom's mind? Like, I just don't get it. And then the last accusation that is quite a fucking statement, and this is an accusation in the lawsuit that she alleges that James is in quote, an animal abuser. And this is in regards to Graham, and it's saying that she took Graham, she gave Graham to her parents.

Graham was very aggressive, and something along the lines of Graham, like biting her mom to the bone. Therefore they gave Graham to a no kill shelter. He ended up at Vanderpump Dogs, etc. So as a huge animal advocate, as a dog mom, my dogs are everything to me. There are a lot of ways to go if you do have an aggressive dog and it is all about the training and the parent because dogs can be rehabbed.

And from what I remember, they've had Graham since he was a puppy, so they should have just had him in training to begin with. When I adopted Bowie, he was somewhere between six and eight years old. This was seven and a half years ago. And Bowie is a very small dog as well and Bowie had some aggression. He had leash aggression, he had aggression toward other dogs. And the very first fucking thing I did was spend every dime that was necessary to have him trained,

to become more social, to become better with people, better with other dogs. And guess what? It worked. And Bowie is the nicest docile. It's just like, if you're gonna own a fucking dog, like this isn't a Christmas present It's not a birthday present put in the work. You can't sit in the back exactly. So I don't know

It's quite the statement to insinuate that someone is a quote animal abuser. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that again I know for the 15th time. I know nothing about Raquel and James's relationship. I was not around for it. I wasn't around for their puppy baby shower or whatever that was. Yeah, whatever. Puppy party. But that's quite the statement. So that's all that for the time being. And then kind of to end this, just for the timeliness, I don't, I think Zach, nor I feel

very comfortable discussing this, but just to acknowledge the giant elephant in social media and in the room is that Jackson, Brittany decided to announce on their podcast that they are separating for the time being. And I've had a lot of people text me about this, friends and people DMing me and my response will stay the same. Listen to the podcast, listen to what Brittany has to say or Jax has to say and that's the answer. I'm not here to speak on their behalf. And we love and support them and they will. That's it.

Yeah, and also this is not a fucking, okay, actually, this is not for the value. If one other person says, yeah, that's the stupidest thing I've ever, so many people said that and I'm like, why would they ever do that? No one would do a stunt like that. Maybe they're, and maybe I'm missing something because I don't, sorry, I don't watch Bravo and I don't watch a ton of reality TV.

I have just the particular shows I watch. So maybe there is someone that has done this in the past or maybe there's, there's some merit to it that like people are reaching back to like, remember when so and so from housewives did this thing, right? Or something of that nature. I'm not familiar with that, but for the love of God, you guys, these are my best friends, my best friends,

they're going through something right now. I was surprised, I didn't know that they were going to announce it on the podcast until Zach and I literally landed back at LAX and we saw it on social media. I had no idea that this was coming out, but we have known about it. And that's just a choice that Jackson Britt made for themselves, their marriage, their relationship and for their family. But please stop making the shitty comments and hounding them and saying that

they're doing this for press or to like push the valley show. It's absolutely bananas. Yeah. Bananas that someone would think that about number one them, but just like, who would do that? Yeah. And anyone in general, it's like, but that's what I'm saying.

Maybe people have done it in the past, but I promise you that is not what's going on right now. And, um, having all eyes on you at all times waiting, I feel like sometimes viewers and people on social media are like waiting for people to make a mistake. Yep. And it's really difficult because we did sign up for reality, right? We did sign up to have eyes on us.

But when things don't go swimmingly, it's just really hard to have people then second guess your motives for something that is for being honest. Yeah. For being honest, which is crazy to me. So that's where we will leave it. Our valley trailer came out. Oh yeah.

And well, and our, oh, the real, oh, the, oh, the teaser. Yeah. I guess it's called a meet the cast. I was, I was wondering, I thought you were going to bring it up, but I was like, OK, I guess I'll have to bring it up. Yeah, so when it came out, Zach and I were at the air sculpt offices. I was about to go into my procedure.

So I didn't really have the time or the moment to be like posting or talking about it, but very cool teaser. I'm so glad. I wish, I don't know, I won't say I wish anything. I'm very happy with it. I think we all were very happy with how it turned out. I wish there was a little more of Jasmine on it. That's what I wish.

Me too. I don't wanna be finicky or nitpicky because we have a really wild season to come. And we have a trailer to come too. So, and Jasmine will 100% be in the trailer way more, but um, And the show's coming out so fucking soon, less than three weeks. We've been working on this for so long, you guys.

Oh, for so long, but to see that finally to see that meet the cast and for me specifically to have like, Oh my God, it's there. It's fine. Like things are real. Oh my God. It's tangible. I's fine. Like things are coming. It's real. Oh my God. It's tangible. We're really excited.

We're really excited. Finally coming out. Yeah. So anyway, we love you guys so much. Thank you so much for listening. Luke is in Colorado, but we will be coming out with an episode of Sex Love, ASAP, and I think we've finally decided

on our new podcast name for Luke and I. So that will also be coming out in the next couple of weeks. It's tough, you know, like you start this thing, you have your baby. And then as time goes on, we're like, hmm, we kind of put ourselves into a little bit of a hole and it's a little too niche for us because we want to be able to talk about other things now that our relationship has developed and that's why we're changing the name. But yeah, please rate five stars as always, subscribe, drop me an email, DM, send away

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