Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - It’s Damn Good with Ryan Bailey

Episode Date: June 21, 2023

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Hello little angels and devils, welcome back to another episode of Sex Love and What Else Matters. I have a link with me. Hey, baby. What's up, Psychic? And today we have the ever so fabulous podcast king king Ryan Bailey. Welcome to the pod. That I mean, I'm going to tell you that chills when you just said podcasts. I mean, to have Kristen Dodie say that I never would have thought guys. This is like some kind of make a wish

foundation for me that this is truly incredible. But can we tell the people that I'm on the cast of Vanderpump rules just so they'll listen? Can we just tell them Ryan Ryan is now the new cast member for season 11 Vanderpump rules. Spoiler alert. The new number one guy in the group, I think. Yes. Yes.

Really falling off. Really falling off. I can't believe this is the first time we've podcasted it together. Like I haven't been on. You're a great question. I've asked you and I've asked both of you guys now. You probably haven't told him. I feel it. Wait, Kristen, I've asked you, and I've asked both of you guys now. You probably haven't told him. I feel it feels like years now, but I, any

time you want to come on, I said, yes, I've, I've had this conversation with Kristen, you guys over the last month and DMs of like, I want you to come on. Yeah, yeah, no, no. Yeah, let's do that. And then I'll be like a week later, hey, want you to come on. Yeah, let's do that. And

then you know what? That's because I wanted you on mine first. That's really why. Let's try to steal the thunder from the king. Okay, so this is really exciting. And I feel like the way Luke and I have been working on this, we just have so many things we want to talk to you about. It's kind of like almost segregated into two, like areas because I want wanna talk about all the Celeb couples, love stories, the Daily Mail headlines because that is my news in the morning. I'm not a CNN girl, I'm a Daily Mail girl. But then I also wanna talk about you,

the man behind the mask, the man behind the mic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll talk about anything you guys want to talk about. But you said the daily mail and that is literally that's that's morning, noon and night. That's like the last thing I look at before I go to sleep and the first thing. And which is, is that sad for you Luke? No, that's not sad. I mean, I'm getting used to it. It's literally when we're laying in bed. I'm like, babe, look, babe, look, I just emailed you an article, babe, look, she's she's showing me those things things and I'm showing you some sexual memes on Instagram.

And that's pretty much how I look. Okay, Luke, Luke, I don't feel so bad about the Daily Mail anymore. My god, I didn't realize it was sexual memes, but yeah, the Daily Mail is hysterical because you'll be reading it and you're thinking you're getting some form of news. And then they'll have like three misspellings in a row. and you're like, ah, yes, the Daily Mail. Yes. It's so trick. There's no editor to go over it.

It's not at all. It's not at all. It's just straight from the vlogger right to our ears. Thank you, Daily Mail, and to our eyes, I mean. So first and foremost, your podcast is insane. It's massive. Everybody listens to it. You, I don't know how you keep up with the Kardashians,

let alone the bravoverse, Bachelor Nation, like celebrities, and like, how, just how do you do it? And keeping up with like your social media on top of it. I mean, it's sick, there's a sickness happening that you guys have all been aware of for a while. But I mean, listen, I've been fascinated with this stuff since I was a kid.

Like pop culture, I grew up in Kansas. And it was, you know, most dudes are into sports and things. I was into any sort of entertainment, Hollywood, music. I mean, it blew me away that there was a place called Hollywood. And this was even before really reality shows took hold. And so to be a part of this, it's been a part of this my whole life. Like, I was that guy always on TMZ. I, you know, like, I've always been consuming some sort of media.

I just never thought there was a place that there would be a place for me to ever talk about it. I didn't really, I wasn't aware that podcasting existed in the form that it does today. So this was not even a secret shame. It was just, all my guys would be watching sports and I would be talking Kardashians with their girlfriends. And that, but then this happened and it was like such a miracle and it's changed my life in so many ways. But it's, it's all, I would be talking about this

regardless of the show. It's, it's so fascinating. Like even your show Vanderbump rules, you know, you get told that all the time, but like that meant the world to me. Like that was, that was everything. So to be able to talk about that every week is just so second hand,

because that's what I was doing even before a mic was on. And I think also right now specifically, it's, I do so much of it because there's so many other things that are like not going great in my life. So you're like, okay, I'll so much of it because there's so many other things that are not going great in my life. So you're like, okay, I'll throw everything into this. And it's the one place where if I can get to a mic, I start to feel somewhat normal again. And that's why there's so much content.

And there's so much. So it's like you're a scape from, which I've heard at least as a previous cast member, is like people watch the show to escape their own reality and sort of dive into something that's like on their television, even though it's reality. Yeah, something that's totally different. I think that's the whole allure of it, right? It's because they're like, their lives are whatever it is in their box and in this crazy world

called Hollywood is what draws them in and what are the lives of these people, right? It makes you feel better about yourself, too, I think. Oh, I feel better about myself when I watch Vanderpump Rules. And that's, well, this is the most met in conversation we will ever have. But you'll watch those things. And then when you kind of cross the streams, like that's when I've met or hung out with, you know, Vanderpump Rules cast members, like, you get law, I mean, hey, to use a Tom Schwartz, but you get lost in the sauce, man. Like I remember, I remember, like I was one of those people that like, you

know, for voting, but I hung out with Tom for a podcast, did all that. I looked up to that dude. I was like, what a weird guy. He's just in love with his girl. He goes and does his weird band. And I was like, I'm weird. I do a podcast. Like I looked up to that. And I really was like, there's no possible way in hell this would happen. So when you cross those streams and start to get to know you guys a little bit, I mean, there's like another level of heartbreak that viewers are already so into it. But then when you start to know you guys a little, it really ruins, not ruins the illusion, but just really intensifies the situation,

seeing what some of you guys are going through on the other end. Oh, that's so interesting that it doesn't like for you that it like as you were becoming friends with, you know, the who was it? Who was the first person you came, became buddies with? Because I feel like I was like last on the totem pole. Arianna, I think, was the first one. Arianna, like, and she went to an acting studio that I used to work at and teach at. I mean, all of those vans, it was called Leslie Conning Company and like, Arianna, Swartz, Sandeball, Sheena, all of those people went through there. And we, you know, we had notes on every actor that went through there.

And I remember being a fan and looking up those notes, and it would be like, Arianna had great notes, she had great notes. The guy's not so much. Yeah. The guys are like, they're very pretty. They're very attractive. And this is this.

So you actually first hand, but speaking of Vanderpump and like all of, you know, the scan of all of it all, you actually know first hand. Tom is an actor. What? A.K.S. Alire. Did you, did you, did you just like see right through it? Well, I wanted to, like, this is the how weird I am. This is like, I'm arrested development. I'm such a child that I look like I'm learning now more not to do this, but I would idolize certain people. I would be like, that's my example. That's the guy. That's the guy that I, and it's, I know,

I know, I know, I know it's ridiculous and sad, and I still get made, I'm get made fun of to this day, because if you listen to my show now, it's the complete opposite. Like it is like I pounce on that guy, I have a whole sand of all thing where I do, it's like he has a list,

because he has this tiny list that I always do, and I'm like, dude, we're here to rock, dude, you don't even understand that, dude. Like, so it's, but that's how I take out my like, you know, with a silly meme or stuff. Like, I'm like, that dude hurt people. He hurt like Ariana and like, I kind of, in a sense, he made me feel like an idiot.

So now I'm just gonna go crazy on a podcast talking about him, which is very unhealthy. I think it's a perfectly wonderful outlet, to be honest. So when did you, when did you move from Kansas to LA? I moved when I was like 13 years old. So it was like this really weird transitional period where I'm not to LA, sorry, to Arizona. So my dad got transferred with his job and all of a sudden I was like in a small town in Olay, the Kansas.

And I moved to all of a sudden, like a 3,000 person high school, and I didn't know anybody. And that's where you find your people, and I found the drama club, the drama department, and started, I was already interested in acting, but I got to be around people that were like, you can do this, and it was that geek society, and it really opened up all my best,

all my music tastes, all my movie tastes, like all of that came from those, I always encourage people like on my podcast is like make sure you get kids into like the best music. Get them into the Fleetwood Mac, get them into like, and not just get them into Silver Springs, get them into the things off-rooted. Like you got to like educate people

because that was so important to me. If I hadn't moved from Kansas, I don't think I would have been turned on to so many things that I grew to so love. I love that. And so then when did you actually move to LA? Because I know you were acting, you had another show before the one you have now.

Yeah, there was LA, yeah. There was, LA was happening because I went to the Ivy League of the West ASU, Arizona State. And I was the only guy that didn't party at his college. Like, it's the number one party school. And I didn't, like, I don't even think I drank at the time there, but I was really active in the theater department. And there was a guy there, Marshall Mason, who really wanted me to go to grad studies in New York. And I went to LA instead.

I was like, I really like movies and TV to be around that would just be the dream. And so I did that after college. And then I ended up, you know, instead of doing that, I ended up getting a job as an extra casting director. So all the crowd scenes and films, you would just, you know, we were doing like thousand person scenes or like Adam Sandler and it was, you know, making the best money I'd ever made as like a 23 year old,

but it was like keeping me so far away from acting, but I was just so excited to get to set every day and see these like, you know, got to watch Sean Penn work and, you know, Adam Sandler and all of like my heroes, but I wasn't a part of that at all. I just got to watch from afar and then it took a couple of years to get the courage enough to take a class. And I think the first one was like, groundlings out here. Oh, that's intimidating. Let's take a moment to check in with ourselves, you guys. How would you rate your relationship with yourself lately? I mean, whether you're feeling confident and want to explore your innermost desires further, or maybe you could use a little boost in self-love, Dipsy's sexy audio stories are here to help.

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When you go to DIPSEAStories.com slash Kristen. One more time, it's DipsyStories.com slash Kristen. Extra work is like if you want to be in front of cameras like I think extra work is a phenomenal way to do it so you can see how these sets like actually work. I too did extra work. Katie Maloney and I actually both did background on the same movie and didn't know each other, but she was actually featured on camera. Wait, what movie is this? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I need to be able to track down this movie. What movie is this? It was, um, he's just not that into you. Yeah, it's. Yeah. Oh, and I know I do know Katie's a little

seen from that. I didn't realize you worked, you worked on that too. Yeah, that's one of them. Yeah, oh, and I know I do know Katie's a little scene from that. I didn't realize you worked on that too. Yeah, I was supposed to do like one or two days of background work and I actually got tapped heartily down it because they gave me like an under five line, but they never aired it. So it was at the scene where Justin Long's like having the apartment, like the house party at his like apartment is loft or whatever, that whole scene. So yeah, and the charade scene, like we shot it, and as like apartment is loft or whatever, that whole scene.

So yeah, and the charade scene, we shot it a bunch of different ways, but nope, never made it on camera. And just so you guys know, tap heartly is like huge because you're like a non-union actor and they're saying like all of a sudden we're gonna tap heartly and you automatically then get a chance to be in SAG screen actors guild.

So that's what like extra work was another way for you to get your three SAG vouchers and get into the union. Because then you get paid as an extra so much better, you have more opportunity and it's like really exciting. So like back in the day when I was doing the casting director, people would beg to get those SAG vouchers. People were just like, you know, please give me a SAG voucher.

Yes. Oh, the back in the day, that was so fun. I'm learning so much. Yeah, I did, I did a yes man also. Yes man was one of my other ones. I think there's probably only two major ones they did. But Annie Hill, did you ever want to host? Like, did you ever be like a chorus

by like an e-course fondant or something? Yes, I mean acting. I don't have the looks for that. I don't think unfortunately, but that was always the dream as a note of like as in elementary school, like I like I'm this weird thing where I get extremely nervous, but it's something that I'm like I so love so much. But I was I hosted all the school assemblies in high school. I was like the guy that read the announcements. I would host everything hosted the talent shows, and I truly think,

like that's why people like Andy Cohen, I, you know, sometimes you'll get unfairly ragged on and I'm like, I love that dude. Like he created this whole genre, but he's just a really solid host. And even like with the bachelor, you know, unfortunately, he got let go, Chris Harrison, there was like these, it's really hard to do what they do and to kind of be presentable, move the story along, ask the right questions. And I don't know, there's just so many great examples there, but that is, that's why it's so exciting to do the podcast every day, because it's like, this is my opportunity to be that

person that I had always dreamed of. And you're damn good at it, and you got the face for it. Oh, my God. You have the face for radio and for video, Ryan. My mom's gonna love you. We would run with Chris and can I either Luke, how insane is this that you've literally started? You met Chris and at a wedding and you started a podcast

and now you have to hear the most insane crap and you, I mean, like with the scan of all of it, like are you, is your hair white? Like did you ever count on the year that you are having right now? Because nothing could have prepared you for any of this. Let alone just the podcast. Well, you know there are some white patches in my hair. That's the fact.

But no, I did not know what I was getting into. Flat out. I had no idea. This was a whole new world. Like the first time I came out here and visited, I flew in, Kristen picked me up. We go straight to Brittany and Jackson's house and hang out with Brittany, Lala, Janet,

and we're hanging out in the pool and Jackson stays inside with Cruz. And I'm like hanging out there with the girls and I'm like, what? Gossip fest. Yeah, yeah, just gossip fest. Talking about the show and all this other stuff. And I'm like, what did I get into here?

And I don't know, we had a good time. I mean, I love this girl, but the whole world, I don't know, and things are going to change a lot more this year still. I know. Yeah, I know. That's right. Just keep thinking about in terms of you started this show

before any of this broke. And like you already like had this. And then also, am I correct in, sorry, I'm asking you, I'll save it from, but I'm like you already like had this and then also am I correct in sorry I'm asking you I'll save it for but I'm like you guys started this podcast you weren't dating yet right or you were like you would meditate but you weren't officially dating so Kristen was in denial as the was the real truth I say we were dating for sure before we launched it but she was like well you know she is like I don't want to hop right back into a relationship because we did meet like less than two weeks after she got out

of her last relationship. And so it was like, okay, she even said she did everything she could to not fall in love with me. It's true. It's just like you're that. It's irresistible, Luke, you're irresistible. She couldn't help. Wait, so I always thought I was like, did Kristen start the podcast just to date you? I was like, did the podcast just get started so she could be with you? But now she was fighting being with you. That's the wrap.

Yeah, pretty much. And I actually came out in November and was pretty much forcing her hand because she wants everything to be perfect, no matter what. And I'm like, no, we are launching before I leave. I got here on Halloween and didn't leave till December 1st because I said I'm not leaving. I thought it was gonna be like two weeks. Turns out I was there for the whole month.

And yeah, we got it out and it's rolling. So. Wait, wait, you're talking about launching the podcast not the relationship, right? You're like, I am not leaving until this relationship is launched. I was talking about the podcast. I felt, at that point, I already felt like, yeah,

I had her, she just had to admit it. Yeah, and I was like, well, if we break up, and you're off the podcast, sorry, buddy. So, you never said that. You never said that. No, I'm real demit. Okay, if we break up, you're off the podcast. You're hurting her first.

Okay, well, breaking news, this is huge. Let's pull this clip, pull the clip. Oh my god, You started it Ryan Wait, so I text you this because I wanted to ask you if this was like cool So you were married before I don't know if you've ever talked about that like what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you had a you had a show called talking marriage Yeah, no, that was it It's really dark to think back so back in you know at the acting days when I was, you know, was like, create your own content.

Like, you know, right, what you know, do what, you know, in my, you know, one of my favorite shows was the office, both versions of it. But I just love that character of like a Steve Carell of somebody thinking they're an expert at something when they're the worst person at it possible. So my thought was, and I was basing this off, one of the reasons why the relationship I think didn't work is, and was that there was, I was really afraid of my ex.

Like I was, and I would just take everything personal, I was always walking on eggshells, and she's amazing. So I'm not, I don't want a bad mouth, but just like sometimes personalities, it really became a thing. So I would put this into this show of a guy that thought he was a marriage expert, and he did a talk show in his garage because his wife wouldn't let him do it inside.

And he, you know, he set up all his, like, little table and his toys and all this stuff, and he would invite people on to give them marriage advice. But then it would be like, oh wait, she's coming. It's quite, quiet. You know, like all these. So it was kind of weirdly meta. And then, but we would have gas like we had like Davie Havik, the lead singer of AFI, we had all of these really cool gas. And then it was like my partners Sean and Evan, it was just so fun to like piece this thing together.

We would do weekly shows. We would edit it together, film it. We did like a musical episode. We, it was our ability since we weren't working at all to be able to be creative in some sort of way and get guests on and just be as silly as possible. But now looking back, it, you know, I was married at the time and you know, you don't think about, well, you think about it now,

you're like, well, that's super dark. You got divorced. That's really dark and you're like, you don't think about it at the time. I wasn't like, this is my secret letter to get out of a relationship. It was just like, oh, this is funny, LOL. And now looking back, I was like, wow, this is extremely, extremely dark that I had a show called Talking Marriage. And that's why we always talk about bringing it back.

And like, oh, wouldn't it be great now? Yes. Just like, you know, wouldn't it be great now? Yes. Just like, you know, I'm back to save everybody's relationship, although we couldn't save his own. I mean, I think it sounds brilliant if I'm being honest. Well, I mean, we kind of have a relationship podcast and neither of us have been, have that great of a track record. Yeah, either of us have been very perfect guests on talking marriage.

I'm telling you guys would be, I could really ramp you up to the marriage proposal and the wedding. It'd be totally great. I know when I think about it now, I'm like, our podcast is called Sex Love and What else Matters. And I have a tattoo on my forearm, Katie Maloney and I got tattoos together. I don't even remember what year this was.

It was on the set, it was on the set of the movie. You were on. Yeah, right. I mean, this is way before the inter-public. Probably, 2021, maybe 2012. And Katie and I both got Beatles lyrics on our arm. And Katie says, let it be. And mine says, all you need is love.

And about a year later, Katie, shorts and I were having dinner at this Mexican place. And shorts is like laughing at us. Like, oh, really? Katie? Like, okay, Bob, you can really let things be okay Dodie all you need is love and we're like dude he's like you should have an asterisk next to that so we went and got an asterisk next to our tattoos so I'm sitting here going we have a podcast called sex love of what else matters but I have a tattoo that says all you need is love and like some other stuff. Oh, I have my ex's name tattooed. A cap on D did my ex's name on and I still like, I've never removed.

I just don't think about it. It's a memory. I was like, oh, that's so dark. Like, that was like an anniversary gift to my ex because she had always wanted to get her name tattooed. I mean, I was like, okay. And those are the things that you just don't think about because you don't go into any kind of marriage and most relationships thinking ever about the end of one. No.

And yeah, you just see that on TV and movies. Like all of our, I mean, no, like pop culture, that's all like everything that we see about breakups and relationships come usually from now reality shows, but it used to just be TV and film. So, you know, say anything. I remember that of just like John Kuzak driving around the street in the rain, like, you know, you know, going through these things, that's your vision of a breakup, you know, when the reality of it is so much darker and sadder and it takes so long and it'll always be there. It's

like, I'm just this scar that is permanent and you try to find a way to live with that. But it's hard because when you when something fails, it just it feels like a failure. It just it just doesn't go away for a long time. It's still there. I feel that. So then we escaped to pop culture and reality TV. Exactly. I mean, listen, I have a huge card Ashutans fan number one. And I remember when the scan of all of it all

like kind of came out and people were saying, like, oh man, everyone's just gonna forget that the Kardashians just like, they're next season. I was like, no, we're not, we're not forgetting. Wait, wait, you were in my DMs because I was the one that put that meme, I chose that. And you were like, I don't agree. Or something, I think it's something like, I don't agree.

But at the same time, Christian, like there is such a fervor usually when the Kardashians seasons come out. And this time for me, somebody being a huge fan of, you know, for, I love him and I hate him, but a huge fan overall, I was shocked that when I watched the Kardashians, it felt like homework all of a sudden, rather than every week turning into Vanderpump rules going what the okay. And then I got to watch what happens live.

Dode's on afterwards got to watch that got it. You know, thankfully, I'm so happy to have all of this done after tonight. I'm sure you guys as well. Maybe you guys. Same. But there's never been less fanfare for a Kardashian season. And I found that so weird on the run up to that because they've always had a like a strangle hold on pop culture. And I don't know if it says something about the Times or says something is you get bigger and bigger like you know three out of 10 Kardashians or billionaires now.

When you get to that level, you lose that kind of intimacy that shows like Vanderpump rules at times can show. Like this season of Vanderpump rules, there was such intimacy in some of those scenes when we found out what was going on that then you watch something that is like homogenized and they're sharing what they want to share. It doesn't hit the same way. You can edit it, put the sound on and make the lights as bright as you want, but it's not going to hit the same way as watching somebody that we know line bold-faced

scene after scene. You're watching and you're re-watching when that happens. No, for sure. And I think it has something, I think it has a lot to do with the fact, especially that they've now, it went from keeping up to now the Kardashians, but even somewhere midway through keeping up when they were still on E, they all became executive producers. Yeah. You better damn well believe if I was an executive producer of Vander Poin Pruels,

you wouldn't be seeing half the shit that you saw in the past of me. Well, I was like, then you should not be ever executive producers. But that's the thing about reality TV2 that I find fascinating. And when I do talk to housewives or van people on my show, that's the fascinating part of it to me.

It's not even what we see. It's that you guys are actually real people and sometimes the reality of those situations, we start waking up to and you're like, whoa, like you didn't really think about it that way because of an edit or you didn't think about it that way. The Kardashians have always been extremely protected and even they talk about like each one of those girls gets a pass on the edit. They're like, okay, yeah, I don't like this. So you have all six of those ladies or however

many there are, giving notes. And that doesn't make for the best reality show known to man because you know, that truth gets whittled away. And we. And we can't see ourselves clearly as humans. We need other people to do that for us. So of course, they're always gonna try to protect their bottom line at the end of the day. And it's hard to course correct. That's why I was wondering about Vanderpump. I'm like, Chris is very smart.

Did she see the ratings on Vanderpump this season? And next season, you're gonna be like, okay, band-aids off. Let's talk about everything. I mean, yeah, I'm talking about everything from when I was on it, but I would never go back to the interprone rules, but I cannot wait to do something, again, in that capacity. I think that would be phenomenal, for sure. Well, I think you will be doing something in that capacity, and I'll just say it out

loud. And you can edit this part out, but I have a, you know, I think you will be doing something in that capacity and I'll just say it out loud. And you can edit this part out, but I have a, you know, I'm pretty, like, I think that will be happening. And I think I do wonder for you and Luke, you as well, is that like, is that exciting or fulfilling and Luke, how flippant scary would that be for you then if you have anything, if TV ever does come calling again, you know, like that to me is you see what it's done in the past, is there any fear in the future? Absolutely. Well, you haven't really seen what it's done in

the past except for the season. No, but I've heard all about it. Yeah. I know how that show has come in between some of your relationships in the past as well. So I'm well aware of it all and well, Kristen, she had a non-negotiable before we started dating with this conversation before we made it official. And she said, I have to be willing to be on camera because someday, yeah,

because someday that will happen. And I said, okay, let me think about this. And what capacity am I like in the background or one line thing? Or am I, are you going to expect me to be primary cast on a show like Vanderbump? And she's like, I don't know, but probably leaning more toward primary cast was what she's like. And I'm like, yeah. Well, because I never know, but I remember just as an example, like when I was dating Carter, it was like, I had no idea how that relationship was going to pan out.

Like, we were saying earlier, right, and about just relationships. Like, you don't go into relationship thinking it's going to end shitty or end at all, right? And during that time, we started, I was single, and we were just going on dates on camera, but then we became a couple. And it was like, yeah, kind of don't have a choice if you want to be with me, but don't worry. They're not interested in like making you look bad They're you're just a part of my life

blah blah blah, which is I still firmly believe like it is it was never in the interest of Our showrunner to like look at these people entering our lives in the beginning stages, right and going How can we really fuck that guy over? How can we make him look stupid? It's just kind of like, if you make yourself look stupid, they're gonna air it. But otherwise, you're just like a part of our story. Like, think about when Bo came on, when Chelsea was on,

Bo was a part of her story. Okay. Bo was in my first acting class at that place. I worked at Leslie Conn. Bo was in my intensive, So I knew Bo from that. And I remember, this is a fun Vanderpump story. I remember somehow I was in like Facebook. I when I first discovered like Vanderpump like or like reality show Facebook groups. I was going through my divorce.

It's like kind of the thing that saved me because I didn't even realize the existence. I was like, everybody's talking about shit. I always talk about. And I remember being friends with Bo and some group, not that I wasn't even in, saw that I was friends with Bo on Instagram, and somebody had pieced it together from one of Stasi's story, one of his tattoos showed. It was like when she would put like a big head on him, like, like, like, the bear is bearer.

Yeah, like, the bear, and saw his tattoo, found the tattoo from an old picture on one of your Instagrams of Bo, and then saw that there was a mutual with me and reached out to go, is your friend dating Stasi. And I remember it was like a Monday morning, I was on my way to my shitty job and like texting Bo and going, Hey, man, I'm not sure what you're up to or who you're dating, but I got a message saying like, you might be dating Stasi from Vanderpump rules. And I just wanted you to know that some people are saying that.

And he, he texted me later That you goes go, is he goes damn it. This is why I said I didn't want my spotty on there You're like he said something like a media like confirming and I was like whoa Sorry No, that's such a good story because when you brought up that you were like you said like casting director And I was like I want her if he knows bow Because of casting being casting director. Yeah, he's, no, he's, he's brought,

he used to bring me in on commercials all the time. And I remember it was like, it wasn't like psoriasis, but it was one of those medication ones where you had to be like, oh, my flare up is hurting me. And I remember Bo was leading that session and it cracked me up because when he got on Vanderpump rules,

I was like, dude, this guy like is, like I just have so many fun stories with Bo. He was such a good guy. And like, I just remember like rehearsing with him and all the commercials and successes he had. So I was like, it just cracked me up that he wound up on Vanderpump rules. Oh, for sure. Me too, because I knew him through my ex-boyfriend and that group of friends. When I introduced him to Stasi, I was like, you guys are really, you guys are gonna be so good together.

I was right, pretty much maker. Tom and Katie didn't really work out, but I tried, you know. I think they ended up getting married. That's, mm-hmm. Yeah. But it's all right, Luke, I cut you off. I mean, like, basically, you agreed to be nude on camera. That's what basically you agreed to.

As long as they blur, you know. It's that's too much blurring. They don't want to pay for that. Okay, that's fair. Anyway. They don't have that kind of, it's not avatar move. Come on. We can't, we can't wear sports hats. We can't wear band t-shirts and they cannot blur your giant penis. I'm so sorry. It's okay. Okay. Okay. But but but anyway, see I killed for, I killed, I would kill for those kind of comments on my podcast. Like, I've always wanted to start the rumor that I've had like an extremely large dog.

Like, that would be amazing. And Luke gets it and he's like, okay, anyways, anyways, are you kidding me? Like lean into that. John Ham that up. Are you kidding me? Oh, that's Hamaconda, baby. That's what I say. Literally said that today.

But, yeah, anyway, yeah, I'm not going to lean into that too much. Kristen plays it out plenty. Oh my God. And it wasn't John Ham just speaking. It was just all just like six degrees of, but like wasn't John Ham just on watch what happens live. I didn't watch but yeah, and they did like a scene or something, right? I haven't watched it. He did the James and Santa Bob like poop.

Who had your own lie? Your own lie? He's like, dude, I'm gonna fucking kill you, dude. Like it was like that scene. Yeah. And John Slattery was great. Okay, I'm gonna have to watch that after the fact.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So anyway, let's get back to your question about my, like, amocity, about coming on the season. Let's get back to Luke for a second. Yeah, I guess so. If we're when that day comes. So from what you were saying, Chris,

and it's just that that was not like the bruiser's goal, right? But if you like make yourself look stupid, my take on that is everybody in their life at some point has done something that made them look stupid, right? Everyone's embarrassed themselves at one point or another and it's like pressure to not make sure you don't do that through this time period when the cameras are on the whole time or else they're gonna take it and they're gonna blow it up

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It's like with acting like you get this name and a little breakdown of who this character is and it's your job to create this 3D human being. But with reality TV, you're a living, breathing human being and they're like, no, no, no, no. You only got one dimension. You always wonder if I always ask the audience, if you were to be cast on reality television, aren't you very curious about the one aspect

of your personality that would be exploited. The one thing that you don't necessarily think about yourself, but they see it and they nail it in every week. That would be the frustrating thing is because you'd possibly don't know that aspect of your personality before it goes to air. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, once the audience, like once the audience grabs hold, it becomes like a legend. So then you either have to key locating that never leaves. Crazy, crazy. Crazy, Kristen, that never leaves. And what I always, like we have the us non reality star people, we have the ability to have

bad seasons of our lives and have it just go by. But you have a bad season on reality television. That thing sticks forever. And it's so hard to then flip that to the next level of, you know, a jacks kind of like, well, I'm working on myself. I'm a work in progress. You know, it's like that thing. You would hear at the end of the season at the reunions. I'm a work in progress. But we have the ability as people not. And didn't want to say, but we have that ability. It doesn't even know that so in every single season, Jack's look, I'm working progress.

Like we are. He's like, what can I tell you? You would see loop. That's what I'm saying. You're going to have to then, you know, once you get on air on a reality television in particular, the audience has some sort of ownership, even though that's not necessarily the case. Reality shows really succeed by second screen technology. And that's not necessarily the case, reality shows really succeed by second-screen technology, and that's geeks like me talking about it on podcasts, posting about it, making memes, and that's the crazy part is that that's what makes these things legendary is the audience, but you can never control what the audience is going to grab onto.

True. Well, I have a question for both of you then. If you are on a reality show, what do you think is the one dimension that you that exists inside of you that you would not want to be you? That I would not want to be me. Yeah. Like, you wouldn't want that to be your narrative because it's like, it's just like a small part of you that happened. Well, we know Luke's is a huge dawn. Yeah. That's a lot of dog. That's a fun one. That's a chance outside of me. Yeah. Yeah, you're not like a big dick energy kind of guy. That's not very nice.

No, like I mean, you don't, I don't mean that like in a mean way, but you don't walk around with like this, this air about you, this like, you know, yeah, there's a humbleness. Yeah. I'm better at, I'm more like in real life, I'm good at being the guy that's a fly on the wall, I take everything in, I mean, I can have a conversation with anybody, but I'm not the big personality that's gonna go up and start conversations

or stir up drama, that's just not me. So I, Yeah, so you can look like a wall flower at times. Oh, absolutely. You're like, Luke's not social, he doesn't, he barely talks. I'm like, what are you talking about? He doesn't shut up. But also, how much do I forget though, not social. He doesn't, he barely talks. I'm like, what are you talking about? He doesn't shut up.

But also, how much do I forget though? Like nothing. Everything up here, I take everything in, people come and talk to me and it stays up there. It's a stick with your back pocket. Yeah. So what about you, Ryan? I think my insecurity would be so highlighted

because I'll even like, some of the things that I'll say to people or even my friends or people that I work with are ridiculous sometimes. I find it really hard to like step into my power or get any kind of like, you know, even when I get secure thoughts, all immediately like, you know, Gremlin thought that out and say something negative to myself. So I think that would be extremely annoying to watch on reality television. And I would be like, Oh, this, this lip and dude, oh, give me a flip. Oh, boo, I can already like,

I can write what those trees are. But it's already like a, there's a sweetness to it. It's like why we love short so much, you know? I think sometimes why I make fun of short so much with that puppy dog stuff is because I have at times been like, I don't know, man. Like, I love everybody. I want everybody.

Can't we just be happy? And then you see yourself back on reality television. And you're like, dude, just take a stand. Like for once, take a stand. It does not matter what it is, but take a stand. Because you're like, that's a nice guy. And then you see the wreckage that it can have, you know, just even through the stories with Katie and stuff. You know, he's not meaning to hurt people.

You know, he's not. So you see some of that stuff and you're like, I think reality television can be a great, not like, not a therapist, but it can help you with certain situations in your life. Kind of put yourself back at yourself and be like, oh, man, I am not, that's not an attractive quality sometimes. Yeah, especially if you watch your cell phone camera, let me tell you what kind of therapy that is. But have you ever loved your cell phone camera? Have you ever been of therapy that is. But have you ever loved yourself on camera? Have you ever been like, that was a kick ass scene

that in the moment, I did, like, have you ever been, like, was the suck of dick moment? Like, did you ever think of that legendary? Like, no, I hate that one because I'm sitting on like chain smoking cigarettes, I quit smoking now, so I'm like, lighting a cigarette off of like a candle in a restaurant and then like yelling at my manager who's like actually my friend.

But then that truly in that moment, like the thing that frustrated me is that they knew we were filming there. So it's like, why am I getting in trouble for filming something that I had a call time for? And everyone knew the call was coming in. And now I'm getting yelled at for like doing my job. And but that that's a horrific moment. I think all of my drunken moments are just nobody wants to watch themselves be drunk. It's not cute.

Ariana's really cute drunk. She's actually hilarious. I love watching her. Well, she gets the yellow, yellow robes made her laugh and all of that, you know, amazing. But then is there any kind of solace at all in the life that it's taken on since then of people were like, or even wanting you back? Is there any comfort in like you've created moments out of your own personal pain?

And all of that, which is I think key to any successful reality television, but people have such fond memories of all of them. Like people will quote these lines. People will like, I was immediately like, oh, suck a dick and you're like, oh, I don't like that. And like, will people love it? Like,'re like, oh, I don't like that. I'm like, well, people love it. Like, how do you reconcile that with yourself?

Um, that I just really love to entertain. And if this was the path that my life was taking rather than, I don't know, like stage acting, you know, or like acting like scripted television or scripted film, if this was the life that, you know, the road my life is going to take. I'm like, well, at least people are entertained by it. That's good. And I like to entertain. So they find, it's like, I feel like I'm like the least comedic person like I've never done comedy in like film or television before.

But then you think you've done sketch comedy, Chris. I take it very seriously. You kidding me? I take it very seriously. You kidding me? I take it very seriously. But I think that's the funny thing about comedy. It's you're laughing at someone else's expense. So I guess in a way, I've been doing comedy for like many years now. But like Luke, she's a part of a legendary reality.

Like imagine being on a shitty reality television show. Imagine being on something that it was just horrible from top to bottom that nobody remembers. I mean, that's what I keep thinking, even when you guys have so many listeners on this podcast and I've been so lucky to have listeners that will reach out and be like, oh my God, this episode meant so much or this, that kind of stuff lives forever. People associate these really positive reactions to these things. So regardless, like I always thought like, oh man, I hope to be Philip Seymour Hoffman one day, or I hope to be John C. Riley, or I hope to be, and it's like, okay, maybe it's

not that, but maybe it's this, and I love this all along. And if I could be a part of this, even just talking about it, that's amazing. Hell yeah. I totally agree. Oh, so in the last month, I'll say, I've started to get excited about this side of this new world that I'm in, this new life with Kristen. It's definitely been a transformation in my mind. Now I'm talking to her about, okay, so a few years from now, things keep humming along

like they are with the podcasts and businesses and these other things. It's like where we can be. Before I was like, I'm just going to keep doing my thing. You do your thing. I'll support you, you support me. And now I'm like, okay, no, I'm gonna lean in. This is gonna happen. And yeah. I mean, you gotta take those opportunities

and don't be scared. I mean, that's what I'm telling myself as well. It's like every time I've been at a precipice, I've been really scared and I've told myself, oh, hang back, hang back. And then you're like, you get older and you're like, oh, what is hanging back helped me on anything? Like what is being so scared that you've not moved,

helped with anything? It's always created just more problems and more problems. And it's like, you start to realize that thing, like why not try and fail? You know, like why not try and like, and also failing, you really, it's the old adage and it's so stupid, but it's true, is that you learn from failure,

you only learn from doing, and you're like, I've done so many crappy podcasts where I forgot to plug my mic in, and my computer crashed. I mean, you guys almost burnt down your apartment building last night. Like these things, but you're like, okay, the next time I know not to burn down my place.

Like I, you learn from these things, and it's like, wow, this is like, it's all the part of creating, and like maybe it wasn't exactly what I thought it would be with acting, but it is this thing with something that I dearly love, which is pop culture and reality television. The fact that I'm sitting here looking at you

and Luke, to you to a lesser degree, of course, is this my blowing. Like, are you, are you, are you, are you kidding me? Like, doesn't get better than that. I mean, that took good, it is a good point because I remember when we first first found out about Vanderpump rules and even the possibility of it. And I was dating Tom at the time. And no one likes to remember that. Wait, wait, wait, what?

What were you dating? Yeah, but I remember because we were both acting and we were like, oh, this is really going gonna ruin our chances of like, you know, winning an Oscar one day, blah, blah, blah, like, what? And it came, finally, came down to like, let's just try it because at the end of the day, if it's either gonna go somewhere, it won't, and if it doesn't go anywhere,

no one's ever gonna remember it, no one's really gonna hear about it, it'll just tank, and then we just move on. So we were like, yeah, screw it. Let's just give it a whirl. And I can't imagine what my life, I don't think I'd still be living in LA, to be honest had I not. I don't know.

You know, if it's... I mean, so at the end of the day though, you don't regret taking that on too late. No, I don't. So I'm saying I agree with you to like try, you know, just try everything because had I not agreed to just give it a shot, I wouldn't be where I am today. I wouldn't have a book, I wouldn't have like the successful clothing, I wouldn't, I just would be in, I probably wouldn't have this podcast, I would just be in a completely different place where that one, I'm gonna just try this, why not, you know, I'll end up allowing me so many platforms to do so many awesome things.

Yeah. So, yeah, that's how you feel. that ended up allowing me so many platforms to do so many awesome things. Yeah. So, yeah, that's how you feel. I wanna spend things back to you, Ryan. Yes. I've got some questions for you. He knows who knows. So, okay, this is not specifically about you,

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yacht season where he likes to go on a yacht for like a month. And I think he's really proud this year because he doesn't have as much like love handles and belly fat. So he's very excited to be in the pictures now. Yeah. And daily, daily mail is like his muscular bust bottom. I mean, sure, it's not bad. No, it's so we've had so many like eight seasons of Yacht parties where they've called them dad bod. So now it's like not dad bod anymore, but it's not, it's what it is. I sometimes just think like it's it's almost like Vanderpump rules season eight and nine when it wasn't that great. Like does decaprio ever be like, man, this yacht season is not good. You know, I'm so tired of the 25 year olds.

I'm tired of telling them the movies that I did because they didn't watch any of them. They weren't boring. Yeah. Having to explain Martin Scorsese to about a 23 year old woman again and again has to be so infuriating or like, oh my god, Titanic was huge. You know about the Titanic? And they're like, you were on the Titanic? No, not the movie.

The movie called the Titanic. And it's very good. People loved it. And they're like, that's you. But again, that movie came out in 97. So according to the algorithm, no girl that he would date right now would have been alive. No, true.

Exactly. And the thing is, I Leonardo Caprio is one of the smartest, I mean, so talented, but he's also so smart that he's never gone on record really about any of this. So there's never like a Howard Stern interview where he's like, come on, tell me, tell me what it's like, you know, and he, he opens up about his dating habits. So it is really like, we can only speculate what this man goes through. Like does he get the Victoria's secret model and I could be able to like flip through it and like, oh, I like her. I want to see her. I want to see her like a casting like process. You know, even his poor mom, like how many women he's had to meet.

Like I feel abused by how many women we've had to endure on like daily mail over these last 25. I mean, think about some of the past decapital, you know, Giselle Boonchin. There's like tons that I'm like, who is the one that I forget about all the time? Well, Barraffiali, remember her? Like there was, I don't know. It's like, I think it's gross.

I mean, at a certain point to like key, and it's gonna keep getting weirder every year if he keeps this up. Yeah, because once he hits like 50 and then the 50s get older, it's like. Do you think he squirrels to retake talk for talking points? You know what these girls?

That's your choice. I, the only, that's the only thing. Like I hope you're that successful in that rich, you are off social media entirely. For sure. Like always like, well, but no, see, I think a lot of these people, like people like Bethany Franco, it's like you're multi-millionaires. Why are you on, why are you trying this hard?

Yeah. Like wouldn't be the point of being this rich is that you don't have to deal with all of the crap that we have to deal with every day. That is such a good point. Why does Bethany do the makeup thing? Like I just, I can't grasp the makeup thing on TikTok with Bethany. Like you don't have to pretend to be a 22 year old influencer.

What's like, you know, therapy, like compare and despair. Why are you always compare, you know, it's like, we're on social media all day long. If you're not, I'm making stupid memes, but like, yeah, it's like you can't help but look at other people's lives and speculate on those and fantasize about being that person, but it gets to a point with DiCaprio where you're like, it's not a great look, you know, it's

like, you're seeing these people, it's like, it's the Matthew McConaughey days and confused of like, I get older, these girls stay the same. You know, and it's cool probably for a decade, like you can really pull that off. And I think that's the cool thing about like whatever age you are, those stars that you're age group, you are going to grow older with them. So it's like we grow older with these people and we see our own changes in our lives. I ain't on no yacht party every summer for a month. And you're like, wow, Leo's still doing it. He's still on the yacht. Wow. Okay. He does two good films a year. They're amazing. and then it gets to be on the yacht. And it's like younger girls or different young girls each year. He sometimes will date one for a couple of years, and then they're done, and it's immediately

back to the same pattern. And there's like a simplicity in that, but at the same time, I feel like in this day and age, I don't know how much longer that can go unchecked. Well, don't they call it like the Clooney model or the Clooney path, the way you stay single to your 50s, then you settle down and start a family. So you can enjoy all the, you know, all the perks of being famous and you're all the prime of the pussy that life has to offer. What?

I can't believe I said the keyword. I can't believe I said the keyword. Clooney was on record saying that he would never get married. That was his big joke. Like Julia Roberts, Michelle Fiverr, all his co-stars. It'd be like, oh, George is always. And so then he finally, when he did settle down, was like, wow. And now he has two kids.

And you're just like, that's real. I mean, what an amazing third act or fourth act or whatever they're at in his life. But yeah, like that, he was the perennial bachelor that you never thought was going to come in from out of the cold. Like de caprio is even different just because there's never been a time when de caprio was not famous. Like even from like his start growing pains. Yeah, it's like all that he's never not been in this bubble. We are in this. Right. What's eating Gilbert Grape? Yeah. That was a good. Yeah.

This boy's life with De Niro. Like, he was like holding his own with De Niro as like a 12 year old boy. And like, there is something so magical about that dude as an actor, but it is interesting because he has a very, it seems like his personal. I mean, you guys, I mean, you said it the word earlier, but do you remember the pussy posse? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Really, it was like a group of guys. It was him, Toby McGuire, that kid from Entourage, the tiny guy, that was one of the best friends. I know, I can't believe the same right now. Lucas Haas is another guy. And they were, they deemed them, they called themselves a pussy posse, where they would just go re-cavac on the clubs of LA and the women. And you know, like that's an old, that's a real throwback reference. Most kids don't even know what that is, but that was what they deemed themselves.

And it's really, you know, you're like, wow, he's still going. He's still going. He's like, listen, I'm still the president, okay? They might have said, I'm hanging on to this. We're like, hey, Toby McGuire, I'll let you hang out, but just know I run on the number one guy.

I'm the number one guy in the pussy butt. Boom time. But something you said struck a little cord with me because I was thinking about how I wrote like some other couple, like we were writing down a couple of couples. And I remember when Courtney and Travis started, right? When the cravis started.

Pre-married. Before they got married and all that. And I was, I mean, very admittedly like, okay, we get it. You grab us, you make out, we get it. But now that I'm in a relationship with someone who like really loves me, but also is like very attracted to me. I sound like such a cunt right now.

But like, that's kind of Luke. I mean, we're not as like tongues out in public. No, I'm so glad you're that. Yes, I'm like, the Ben, I saw them's that's kind of Luke. I mean, we're not as like tongues out in public. No, I saw that. Yes, that that that I saw them at the LLS. And you guys weren't bumping each other at all like I mean like I would have I would have like been like seen that immediately. Well at an LLS yeah, the leukemia galo. But by the way, but what I would have totally done that that's true, but when I watched them now, especially at their wedding that has erred in post marriage,

knowing how long they've been friends, and I'm like, that is so sweet. Like, what would be worse than that? Would be having someone that never wanted to touch you that wasn't obsessively in love with you, especially post marriage. So I'm just completely seeing a new tune now that I'm in a happier relationship.

I mean, I'm still not with the tongue out making out thing on the red carpet. It's a little weird for me. But I'm a cravis fan now. Oh, I mean, that to me, I was just watching the new episodes of this season. And you can't, they obviously make each other so happy. You know, it's like, I do think it, it's going to be exhausting to be their friends like

three years in and they're like, okay, you guys are like pretty much finger banging again cool. You're like in every public place, they're just doing the same thing. That's going to get a little old, but you first argue with like that really is what we're supposed to be like in relationships where they really truly can't get enough of each other and you see the confidence that their love gives her where she's actually able to separate herself from this powerful family a little bit and she's able to see a little bit more clearly.

I still think there's elements of Courtney that are completely ridiculous, but you can't argue with that fact of like it's nice when relationships can help you find a little piece of yourself that you might have lost. Now, not to overtake yourself and like to lose yourself completely, but you see this different side that she wasn't getting with Scott Dissick. Because Scott would be like, I don't know, Kurt, I'm sorry, I just can't do it. You know, and Travis, like gives her everything.

She had to realize that he was her soulmate. Like that happened over time. And I think that's the cool thing to is that he always dug her and she had to kinda like catch up to that fact and it just goes to show you that it's like don't always just turn down opportunities from people that might be like the love of your lives down the line. So how do you feel about benefit? Because I don't know how I feel. I don't know what to do with it. I think it's funny. I mean, we were in a pandemic. I don't know if you guys remember that, but it was what we needed at the time. Like we needed that thing of like, you're telling me a relationship from 15, 20 or however long how many years ago, think it was like come back. Yeah, it was like something you're like, you're telling me that that could come back after that awful movie. Yeah, after after Glee, like that, there was like this excitement in just terms of pop culture. That's like a pop culture explosion. But then you're like, you know, if you read the daily mail, it's like, I've watched them go in and out of escrow

on $60 million dollar mansions for the last two years trying to find the right one. And Ben always looks like he's pissed off at most of these events, even if that's just the camera's capturing what they want to see. But you really truly hope that his demons and potentially hers as well. You know, there's that thing of like, you know, well, and I think I sometimes feel this of like, oh, I think if I can get to this place, I'll be happy.

If I can get right here and then you get to that place and you're not happy, you're just like, I was happy for a second. And sometimes you get that vibe with Ben where you're like, I don't know if he's ever going to be happy. And Jela wants to put on the happiness front. So I think they're an interesting couple, but I do kind of get scared where it's one of those couples where if you told me tomorrow that they were splitting up, I wouldn't be surprised. But if you told me they lasted another 10 years, I might not be surprised either, it could go either way. Right.

I mean, they chose to get married after all this time. And after these marriages and kids and living these other lives and then to come back together and actually get married, I don't know. I just, I'm still, I'm always, every day, I feel like I changed my mind because I don't want to believe like the photo. It's tough with like the paparazzi photos because you do always see Ben just looking like he's miserable, like smoking a cigarette or like they got to do a fight getting in the car. But like you don't know if they actually got in a fight with each other or you know, they were on the phone with their kids teacher and the teacher was an asshole or something. So they're like mad about you, you just don't know.

But I don't know. Jailos to go. Then she had more rings than Tom Brady. Did you guys watch that Netflix documentary about her half time show? It's Super Bowl. Like I'm not even the biggest Jennifer Lopez fan, but it's a black and white documentary. It came out like a year and a half ago. It was, it was great because it just shows you how intensely hard she works.

Like to get where she is, you know, you got to realize like there's luck involved, but there is so much work involved. Like you have to have so many things just firing on all cylinders to keep up that level of success. I mean, Jaila works so hard that she almost convinced us that she's a good singer. Like, that's how hard she works. She's like, she's always been a good dancer, a good actor, all this stuff, the singing. But people like, you know, now they'll do like a celebration of the music of Jennifer Lopez. And I'm like, wait a second. I was old enough to remember when we made fun of her singing. Like, what are you talking about?

Selena, the Selena works, that kind of it. Yeah, well, I'll make it tie back the Kardashians. I remember a day when Jennifer Lopez was the originator of the Big Butt Look. The Kardashians didn't even exist in the form that she was the original Big Butt. And that was no BBL. And now you go back and look at what all of these like gossip blogs and all that we're talking about. It's a normal but because we are so used to Kardashian sized butts that we have like totally now,

you're like, that's just a normal but. We like everything has gotten so much bigger and extreme and pop culture. Victor, do you know what BBL is, babe? BBL? Yeah, Brazilian butt lift. Oh, okay. I feel like you were thinking porn for a minute, right?

You were trying to figure it out. He was like, oh, thinking about memes, all right. Okay, it's good. Well, I got to play off that, the big butt thing. I was saying we were watching the stars on Mars, that new show that just came out with Tom Schwartz. I couldn't even, he couldn't even count. He got that poor girl sent home.

Oh, my God. I thought it was, I thought it was three. I'm a glass half full kind of guy. He's going to win the whole thing. Watch they're going to he's going to win that whole thing by just being his like all Shucks. He's like, oh, it's way the cookie crumbles. Yeah, but I think it was Tinashe or Porsche. What a was a Porsche. It's doing that. How do you know? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no BBL or whatever I say. I think that's natural. Porches ass is so big. I mean, I thought I think it is, but I've never done research on it. So I don't know. Has she ever come out and said that it's not? I don't think they ever come out and say, I think only like 90 day fiancee, you know, people say that it's like, you know, there's like episodes of 90 day fiancee, well, somebody will travel overseas or like there was like a season of teen mom

or a girl that got a BBL and like it was just really bizarre. But I mean, come on. Some of these can't be they've got to be man-made. Yeah. Some of this can't be real. Come on. I think so. It would be nice to have a cushion like that everywhere I sit, you know, like a little comfortable. Good's a good baseball game. Exactly. Oh, and then Ryan, we were just one last thing I want to touch on in the celebrity loves a fair world. We were talking about the men of the Kardashians.

Luke is actually like familiar with that because we were just meaning like they're type athletes and rappers basically is what they go for. Yeah. Because you said rappers and I was like, just Kanye and you go, Tiger, I was like, Oh, yeah. Wait, oh, there's a bunch of. Yeah. Tiger. Now that time, when she was like under age, I mean, like, for such a successful family and for Kris Jenner to have such a domineering hold on their careers. And I don't mean that it's a bad thing because she's been so successful. Is that the one common thing too,

though, is just they're sometimes they're insanely poor choice in men, Travis aside. And listen, Scott Tisic will always be a part of their family. He's so entertaining. You know, he's like, I love him. I'll come with anybody. Let me on the show. Come on. Like he wants on that show. So good. Yeah. Well, that's the only thing is like the men of the Kardashian women's lives, including Corey Gamble, they don't seem always like the best people. They seem like they actually diminish the brand more than it helped the brand. And I always try to think from Chris Jenner's mind is like, well, is this some kind of reverse psychology of, okay, we need something, some kind of thing

to feel bad for these women because they're so successful. What if we throw really potentially damaging men in there? And I don't think a mom would think that, but I do think a manager might think that. And I do sometimes, why does she encourage these men to stay in their lives? That's the part that always confuses me. I'm like, yo, Tristan made Chloe look like a clown again

and again and again, but she's like, no, it's important to have Tristan very close to us because of the kids. But also, isn't it important for the kids to know like the real deal because they'll find out anyways and to be able to say our mom respected herself enough to get far away and like whatever he chooses to do with these children on his time is his time. But this blending of the family, we see like the worst case example is Kanye, is it's like off the rails. So that's the part that I also find like the tragic flaw of the Kardashians,

and that in In Sen Greek. That's a really good point though, because then you think about like, I mean, I know Kendall's a little more private, but like they don't talk about anyone that Kendall dates, probably because they're decently good dudes. Pete Davidson, I mean, I know Kendall's a little more private, but they don't talk about anyone that Kendall dates, probably because they're decently good dudes. Pete Davidson, I mean granted, it's probably also up to these men as well, to a point, right?

But Pete Davidson was barely touched on, if he was such a great guy, but all the shitty ones, they're like, let's keep talking about it, let's keep talking about it. Maybe that's the drama theme. Yeah, it's content, exactly. Yeah, yeah. You know, I got a question for you about Pete Davidson too.

And Pete Davidson's progression, right? There's been some chatter online. I'm sure you've seen about like Ariana being the next, Ariana and Pete being the next like step. Ariana's. Yeah, Ariana Maddocks, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, probably not realistic. He's a e-chariot brown day.

Right. So that's, that is very fair. Okay, fair. But yeah, I don't know. I've's okay. But yeah, I don't know. I've just seen Chadder about that. I don't know. And how Kanye's new wife looks like Pete Davidson. Oh, yeah, how Kanye's new wife looks like Pete Davidson.

I haven't heard that one. But I always get to vibe that it's like starting to really get that vibe that Kanye hates women because like what he'll put his new wife in. She'll be like, Hey, wear this carpet all over your face. Like, it is wild what she, he makes her dress. She kind of like, okay, whatever you say goes, like they're walking out of the house. She's like wearing like a dress made out of tampons and it makes no. But he's like, say I'll buy you a new Birken bag.

She's like, okay. It's bad, but the Pete Davidson thing and this is interesting, like his Pete, he hasn't fallen off. Like everybody loves Pete Davidson, but there is this kind of, and people say there's a Kardashian curse with like basketball players and stuff like that. Is that like, is there a sense that Pete might be going through a Kardashian curse after the Kim relationship? Because he had that NBC or the peacock show, Bupkiss.

And I haven't, I don't know anybody watching that show. Like do you watch that show? No. Like it came and went all of a sudden. And I know Pete is in a relationship right now with Chase Sui, one of his co-stars from bodies, bodies, bodies. But like for a second there, I was like, you know, his roster was like insane. Like it was like, oh my God, you'll never be known for anything that you do other than this insane roster of women because he could have only

jumped up to once Kim Kardashian happens. They don't even know what he was. Yeah, I'm a reddit, redskowski or whatever. Yeah. I'm really glad. He did. Yeah, that was a great photo of them at the next game. Like he did that. Like the guy had this roster, but then it was like, you get in terms of pop culture, then it was like that joke about Pete Davidson and women. How do you go back to the point of just being a comedian or being an actor?

And I think I wonder in his head, if there's any like, if he struggles with his own credibility in terms of being known, because every guy out there would be like, I'd love to be known for that. But like imagine if you are in show business, and you're hanging around like Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock and these people, you would probably want to be known for your comedy and not just be like,

hey smell this dude's fingers, he's been to everybody, you know? No, totally. That's interesting. I mean, when I was single, I wanted to bang Pete Davidson, I'm not gonna lie. Oh, God. I just, I just, I just like, I have to know why. I have to know why. The internet is horrible that way in the sense that evil, I'll even use like, the, the Tom's as an example. Like, it knows like just 100% across the board, especially stand up, a horrible,

horrible crap. And then there'll always be that one doofus, or a couple of doofus women online to be like, but that body dough. And I'm like, ooh, and I'm like, oh, God, what is your, like the celebrity, even like low level celebrity, just completely makes anybody the most attractive version of themselves,

even when they've done insanely horrible things. Now Pete seems like a good guy But I've just never understood like every woman in my life being like no, he's he's low-key hot Yeah, I don't know Is that BDE? Big-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-jick-j I'm just losing question for you though. We don't. Yeah. We're seeing it. I don't want to see it. Okay. We love meatloaf. So I would do anything for love, but I won't do what?

Is this sexually or emotional? Whatever you want. Whatever first thing that comes to mind when you think that I would do anything for love. You would do anything for love, but you won't do what? You know butt stuff. I will say that in terms of myself, like pegging is really big right now or it has been over the last couple of years. And I want to be like with the trends and I want to be cool and stuff. Like I think that's a part like, because then I always picture like the poor woman

if that ever happens, like they're just pictured or just like, you, you can never take back that image of me like going like, ah, you know, like just looking into my face while you're slowly penetrating me, like would be horrific. And I would just, by the way, I've usually Kristen's face, she's like, that's the next the image I've ever had. It's really, I'm just thinking about how Luke feels the exact same way.

It's an exodomy. I exodomy. That's for sure. I want to be sex positive. I want to be like, yeah, cool. That's the one thing that I'm, you know, I'm like, ah, could I come on? Let's, you know what?'m like, ah, could I come on? Let's, uh, that's what I'm doing.

You know what, I'm a very sex positive person and this is, you just made me think of something new. I would do anything for love, but I won't do, like, double penetration. Double penetration, okay. Yeah. That's terrifying. Oh, yeah.

I hate when I'm watching porn and like, one accidentally like, is like on my feet, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, there's gonna be a fight after this. I think it looks like you shouldn't told me that before we went podcast. Yeah, nope. Oh my gosh, Ryan, I love you so much. I can't wait to be on your podcast and Everyone Follow Ryan. What is your what what are all your what's your TikTok? Is it the same? I you know, I don't really post a lot on TikTok, but it's so bad that it's good with Ryan B.

My Instagram is my big one. So bad it's good with Ryan Bailey. My Twitter is Ryan Bailey 25. Are, why, are why any? Are, well, no, well, that's, it's a joke because there was a character on Real House of Orange County. Well, his name was Ryan, but he asked, he changed his name to Ryan, are why any? And so I just changed mine as a joke. I was like, was it taken? Yeah. You know, it's like an inside thing. And then Ryan Bailey 25, and then what I would say to anybody listening this show or

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This was, I was really nervous about this, so thank you. Oh my god, this is like so much fun. Are you kidding me? This has been the best. Yeah, it was great. I'm, I want to hang out, man. It's like, hey, I'm coming, I'm coming over to watch tonight. Let's do this. Okay, perfect. Why not, right? Awesome.

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